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aturnis
08-14-2012, 05:21 PM
The true value of Tyson Jackson (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/46827/the-true-value-of-tyson-jackson)
August, 14, 2012

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- Tyson Jackson is maligned and probably will always be as long as he is with the Kansas City Chiefs. It goes with the territory of being a No. 3 overall pick.

Folks expect spectacular dividends from players drafted that high, but Jackson will never be spectacular. But he has been productive and is a big reason why the team's defense is expected to be one of the better units in the league.

The Chiefs value Jackson as one of the best run-stopping 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL. Yes, No. 3 picks should get sacks, but thatís not Jacksonís game. He has two sacks in three NFL seasons. The Chiefs will continue to get the brunt of their pass-rush from star Tamba Hali and youngster Justin Houston.

It's Jackson's job to halt the run and he does it well. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson had 38 defensive stops (characterized as tackles for an offensive failure on the play) in 2011. That total led the NFL in run stop frequency.

Kansas City defensive end Glenn Dorsey, the No. 5 overall pick in 2008, added 32. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson and Dorsey's totals were the highest in the NFL by 3-4 ends.

Like Jackson, Dorsey has been criticized for a being of high-pick bust. But these statistics and the Chiefs' improvement on the defensive front in the past year show these former high picks are making their presence felt.

aturnis
08-14-2012, 05:22 PM
Someone in the national press finally acknowledging it. Maybe we won't hear idiots calling him a bust anymore.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-14-2012, 05:23 PM
He's performing his role

Detoxing
08-14-2012, 05:23 PM
WTF????

Tyson Jackson is a black guy???

beach tribe
08-14-2012, 05:25 PM
Pioli propaganda...oh wait.

Demonpenz
08-14-2012, 05:26 PM
Ugh wasted picks.

Mr. Laz
08-14-2012, 05:28 PM
Pioli is a worthless fat fuck who's never done anything EVER!!

the Talking Can
08-14-2012, 05:35 PM
what more could one expect from the 3rd pick in the draft...

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2012, 05:42 PM
He's basically Glenn Dorsey, part two.

He better taking a pay cut, too.

TheGuardian
08-14-2012, 05:45 PM
Tyson has turned into a very solid player like I said he would. Outside of turning into the second coming of Bruce Smith, he could have never lived up to the #3 overall, but he's certainly no bust either.

BoneKrusher
08-14-2012, 05:46 PM
WTF????

Tyson Jackson is a black guy???

yeah.
like you know, Janet's Brother.

petegz28
08-14-2012, 05:51 PM
He's basically Glenn Dorsey, part two.

He better taking a pay cut, too.

Now a couple weeks ago when I was bagging on TJ you were the one to point out how well he played and was top 5 at his position and what not.

OnTheWarpath58
08-14-2012, 05:53 PM
Tyson has turned into a very solid player like I said he would. Outside of turning into the second coming of Bruce Smith, he could have never lived up to the #3 overall, but he's certainly no bust either.

Holy shit. Where the fuck have you been?

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2012, 05:54 PM
Now a couple weeks ago when I was bagging on TJ you were the one to point out how well he played and was top 5 at his position and what not.

I said he was a top run stopper at his position.

He has played well in that facet of his game.

Still wasn't worth the pick or the money.

OnTheWarpath58
08-14-2012, 06:00 PM
I said he was a top run stopper at his position.

He has played well in that facet of his game.

Still wasn't worth the pick or the money.

And that's the thing - people use the term "bust" loosely. People need to be more specific.

Draft picks are currency. While a Honda Accord is a solid, dependable car that will fulfill its role of getting you from Point A to Point B - you wouldn't pay $100,000 for one.

He's not a bust from a player perspective, but certainly a bust from a draft pick perspective.

jspchief
08-14-2012, 06:00 PM
He's basically Glenn Dorsey, part two.

He better taking a pay cut, too.

Yeah, iirc his contract gets pretty stupid for a one dimensional 3-4 tackle.

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2012, 06:01 PM
"Tyson Jackson"" should be filtered to read "Honda Accord."

OnTheWarpath58
08-14-2012, 06:02 PM
Yeah, iirc his contract gets pretty stupid for a one dimensional 3-4 tackle.

$14M next year.

He's worth about a quarter of that.

Detoxing
08-14-2012, 06:03 PM
"Tyson Jackson"" should be filtered to read "Honda Accord."

Dependable and retains its value?

Canofbier
08-14-2012, 06:12 PM
Based on the title of this thread, I like to pretend that this is an article about some rich man with a long, hyphenated name.

DaFace
08-14-2012, 06:17 PM
$14M next year.

He's worth about a quarter of that.

It truly is insane that he's making more than Bowe even under the franchise tag.

-King-
08-14-2012, 06:19 PM
It truly is insane that he's making more than Bowe even under the franchise tag.


He won't make 14M. He'll either restructure, or extend the deal.

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2012, 06:23 PM
Paying Cassel and Jackson, after not paying Carr and Bowe, would be ultimate fail for Pioli.

This is his next hurdle.

prhom
08-14-2012, 06:28 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

OnTheWarpath58
08-14-2012, 06:30 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

I've asked this several times, and everyone seems to blame the NT play.

Nevermind that there are 10 other players on defense, and 6 others that play in the box.

DaFace
08-14-2012, 06:32 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

In much the same reason that we have one of the best WR's in the league, but had the 25th ranked passing offense. Two players do not a team make.

Oh, and Eric Berry. Nuff said.

L.A. Chieffan
08-14-2012, 06:33 PM
I think I read this same article on Ryan Sims about his third year in.

Rausch
08-14-2012, 06:34 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

Because last year our Safeties were total $#it.

You can hold a team to under 2ypc for a whole game but one missed tackle by a craptastic S and all of a sudden you've allowed 90 yrds rushing and given them a respectable average...

prhom
08-14-2012, 06:46 PM
In much the same reason that we have one of the best WR's in the league, but had the 25th ranked passing offense. Two players do not a team make.

Oh, and Eric Berry. Nuff said.

This pretty much proves that Dorsey and Jackson are totally over valued then. If they can be the best at their positions in the nfl and still not have an impact on the game then why pay anywhere close to what they're getting. I realize this is what most people agree with, but still. Pioli should have told them this year they either take a big cut or GTFO so we can use that money for guys that have an impact.

petegz28
08-14-2012, 06:50 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

If the NT can't command a double team that means O-lineman are leaking out and blocking down on our LB's.

Demonpenz
08-14-2012, 06:50 PM
Tyson Jackson reminds me of 100 dollar All-American Reject tickets.

JohnnyHammersticks
08-14-2012, 06:51 PM
"According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson had 38 defensive stops (characterized as tackles for an offensive failure on the play) in 2011. That total led the NFL in run stop frequency.

:hmmm:
Hmmm....that, I did not know.

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2012, 06:51 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

Well, we were 14th in YPC.

We gave up a lot of rushing attempts because our offense sucks.

We done here?

BoneKrusher
08-14-2012, 06:54 PM
I think I read this same article on Ryan Sims about his third year in.

now that's a blast from the past.

Direckshun
08-14-2012, 07:00 PM
Well, we were 14th in YPC.

We gave up a lot of rushing attempts because our offense sucks.

We done here?

And scene.

JohnnyV13
08-14-2012, 07:10 PM
I wanted Brian Orakpo. Which would have been a heck of a pick. Of course, my reasoning was that I didn't see Tamba succeeding as a OLB.

Nightfyre
08-14-2012, 07:11 PM
Well, we were 14th in YPC.

We gave up a lot of rushing attempts because our offense sucks.

We done here?

I agree with Wendler twice in as many posts? I'm starting to feel dirty.

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2012, 07:21 PM
Pioli should have told them this year they either take a big cut or GTFO so we can use that money for guys that have an impact.

LMAO

Hog Farmer
08-14-2012, 07:32 PM
Pioli knows football players !

aturnis
08-14-2012, 07:56 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

B/c we trailed our opponents last year, A LOT. So they ran the ball, a lot.

Not only that, but NT did hurt us and losing Berry hurt our run defense a lot.

Add in that we use a 2-4-5 on third and long with pass rush specialists like Allen Bailey and Wallace Gilberry who aren't very good run defenders to begin with, and have them ignore the run and focus on rushing the passer, it can lead to big runs. This is why I laugh at guys who think Allen Bailey is our replacement for Dorsey. He isn't a good enough run defender for this defense.

Deberg_1990
08-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Hes a Big fat body that can play for 10-12 years in the NFL, clog the middle and rarely gets hurt. Pioli values consistency and longitivity over anything else.

prhom
08-14-2012, 09:02 PM
Well, we were 14th in YPC.

We gave up a lot of rushing attempts because our offense sucks.

We done here?

Yeah, good explanation. I just don't think that TJ and Dorsey's run stopping stats translate into them being a force to be reckoned with. You never hear any of the opposing RBs talking about how tough it is to try to run against those guys.

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Yeah, good explanation. I just don't think that TJ and Dorsey's run stopping stats translate into them being a force to be reckoned with.

Why don't you go watch that game against the Bears again.

Those guys are a force against the run, and the reason our LBs wreak so much havoc.

Saccopoo
08-14-2012, 09:08 PM
I wanted Brian Orakpo. Which would have been a heck of a pick. Of course, my reasoning was that I didn't see Tamba succeeding as a OLB.

http://www.bathroomtilesuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Toilet-Brush.jpg

Marcellus
08-14-2012, 09:09 PM
I am confused, $$ should have absolutely no bearing on the Bowe contract situation according to many here (just pay him whatever he wants) but the same people are bitching about what TJ is not even making yet.

prhom
08-14-2012, 09:10 PM
B/c we trailed our opponents last year, A LOT. So they ran the ball, a lot.

Not only that, but NT did hurt us and losing Berry hurt our run defense a lot.

Add in that we use a 2-4-5 on third and long with pass rush specialists like Allen Bailey and Wallace Gilberry who aren't very good run defenders to begin with, and have them ignore the run and focus on rushing the passer, it can lead to big runs. This is why I laugh at guys who think Allen Bailey is our replacement for Dorsey. He isn't a good enough run defender for this defense.

Berry will be a great help coming back for sure. Looked up the time spent trailing too and we were 7th in time spent trailing opponents (1 being the worst). So yeah, that's a killer. Oddly enough though, the longest run we gave up last year was 35 yds, good for fifth best in the NFL.

Do you think Bailey would be able to replace Dorsey if we get better play from the NT position? Or not even then?

BigMeatballDave
08-14-2012, 09:13 PM
Yeah, good explanation. I just don't think that TJ and Dorsey's run stopping stats translate into them being a force to be reckoned with. You never hear any of the opposing RBs talking about how tough it is to try to run against those guys.

Already mentioned, I'm sure, but you gotta consider the shit at Safety last season. Plus, no NT.

Extra Point
08-14-2012, 09:17 PM
what more could one expect from the 3rd pick in the draft...

To throw touchdowns, dammit!

-King-
08-14-2012, 09:18 PM
In much the same reason that we have one of the best WR's in the league, but had the 25th ranked passing offense. Two players do not a team make.

Oh, and Eric Berry. Nuff said.

Nice analogy :thumb:

Dave Lane
08-14-2012, 09:24 PM
And that's the thing - people use the term "bust" loosely. People need to be more specific.

Draft picks are currency. While a Honda Accord is a solid, dependable car that will fulfill its role of getting you from Point A to Point B - you wouldn't pay $100,000 for one.

He's not a bust from a player perspective, but certainly a bust from a draft pick perspective.

And we passed on Aaron Curry the best player in the draft according to Her,.

Sorter
08-14-2012, 09:53 PM
Do you think Bailey would be able to replace Dorsey if we get better play from the NT position? Or not even then?

IMO, no. He looks out of place playing the 5-tech. Is just a sub-rusher, but a damn good one at that.

BossChief
08-14-2012, 09:56 PM
He may not get a lot of sacks himself, but he puts opposing offenses in second and third and long a lot with his run defense.

Mr. Kotter
08-14-2012, 09:57 PM
I said he was a top run stopper at his position.

He has played well in that facet of his game.

Still wasn't worth the pick or the money.

Football is a team game. A lot of fans don't really understand what that means.

It means, purely and simply--playing the role your team asks you to play.

TJ and Dorsey, are not the second coming of Bruce Smith or Deacon Jones. However, they are pretty darn solid, if over-paid, within the scheme we have them playing in, IMHO.

Messier
08-14-2012, 09:57 PM
Listening to 810 today, and every host mentioned Jackson, and how they all wished he would get cut or replaced. I kept waiting for somebody to say something sensible about 3-4 defensive ends, and how it isn't about sacks, and how Jackson has improved significantly, but it's just about where he was picked, and the lack of sexy stats. I agree about where he was picked, and feel if he would've been the 20th pick, he wouldn't be nearly the issue he is now.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-14-2012, 10:07 PM
How is it possible to have the two best run-stopping DEs in the nfl, yet have the 26th ranked run defense?

14th YPC
faced the 4th most carries
gave up the 5th fewest longest carry

Plus, the D was MUCH better the 2nd half of the season.

Sorter
08-14-2012, 10:39 PM
Listening to 810 today, and every host mentioned Jackson, and how they all wished he would get cut or replaced. I kept waiting for somebody to say something sensible about 3-4 defensive ends, and how it isn't about sacks, and how Jackson has improved significantly, but it's just about where he was picked, and the lack of sexy stats. I agree about where he was picked, and feel if he would've been the 20th pick, he wouldn't be nearly the issue he is now.

^^^^This. 810 was maddening to listen to today. I hate KC sports radio.

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2012, 10:44 PM
Listening to 810 today, and every host mentioned Jackson, and how they all wished he would get cut or replaced.

By whom? ROFL

Maybe Gordon could do Jackson's job but then we'd be incredibly thin.

No thanks.

Pitt Gorilla
08-14-2012, 10:58 PM
This pretty much proves that Dorsey and Jackson are totally over valued then. If they can be the best at their positions in the nfl and still not have an impact on the game then why pay anywhere close to what they're getting. I realize this is what most people agree with, but still. Pioli should have told them this year they either take a big cut or GTFO so we can use that money for guys that have an impact.Of course, without good ends, the 3-4 sucks.

Chiefs=Good
08-14-2012, 11:13 PM
By whom? ROFL

Maybe Gordon could do Jackson's job but then we'd be incredibly thin.

No thanks.

BUT HES STEALING MONEY FROM OUR CHIEFS

Big Smoke
08-14-2012, 11:18 PM
He's basically Glenn Dorsey, part two.

He better taking a pay cut, too.

Yep. Big time pay cut.

BossChief
08-14-2012, 11:23 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what got accomplished when we restructured his contract a few months back.

Ace Gunner
08-14-2012, 11:41 PM
You must be able to at least pressure the passing game into getting rid of the ball from the DL. Anyone saying this trio gets a pass on rushing is making excuses for this DL.

Tyson Jackson, year 4 on deck. I like how he has improved every season. This year he needs to bring the whole package. He says he understands now. We'll see.

aturnis
08-14-2012, 11:47 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what got accomplished when we restructured his contract a few months back.

Thought they just opted out of the final hear and moved some money... Maybe I'm wrong.

aturnis
08-14-2012, 11:49 PM
You must be able to at least pressure the passing game into getting rid of the ball from the DL. Anyone saying this trio gets a pass on rushing is making excuses for this DL.

Tyson Jackson, year 4 on deck. I like how he has improved every season. This year he needs to bring the whole package. He says he understands now. We'll see.

I know he mentioned at some point early in OTA's his focus was on improving his pass rush.

T-post Tom
08-14-2012, 11:49 PM
I think I read this same article on Ryan Sims about his third year in.

No you did not.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2012, 12:10 AM
I'm still trying to figure out what got accomplished when we restructured his contract a few months back.

More money for Stanzi

BossChief
08-15-2012, 12:17 AM
More money for Stanzi

I like the way you think, bud.

L.A. Chieffan
08-15-2012, 01:54 AM
No you did not.

Here's a fun one:

www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=112134&highlight=Ryan+Sims

L.A. Chieffan
08-15-2012, 02:00 AM
No you did not.

Lol

www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=121146&highlight=Ryan+Sims

L.A. Chieffan
08-15-2012, 02:02 AM
Haha should I find some more?

jspchief
08-15-2012, 03:09 AM
I am confused, $$ should have absolutely no bearing on the Bowe contract situation according to many here (just pay him whatever he wants) but the same people are bitching about what TJ is not even making yet.

You are confused about the notion that a one dimensional 3-4 DT shouldn't be earning 14m per year?

Being purposefully obtuse doesn't make some clever point. It just makes you look like a moron.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-15-2012, 07:00 AM
He's basically Glenn Dorsey, part two.

He better taking a pay cut, too.

Where would Tamba be without Dorsey? Ever wonder why Tamba gets to go one on one most of the time? Also, PFF did a nice article a while back on DE Run stop percentage. Both Dorsey and Jackson were in the top 6.

Marcellus
08-15-2012, 07:11 AM
You are confused about the notion that a one dimensional 3-4 DT shouldn't be earning 14m per year?

Being purposefully obtuse doesn't make some clever point. It just makes you look like a moron.


No the point is valid, my point all along is $$ matters, its not a bottomless pit of funds. The argument doesn't work both ways so I am not the one who looks like I am talking out both sides of my mouth.

Countless times the same people who are bitching about TJ's $ have said they don't care about $$ one iota because Clark has plenty. $$ is only a point if it helps make their argument at the time.

Surely you can understand that? Maybe you can't see the hypocrisy but if you can't its no sweat off my back anyway.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-15-2012, 07:32 AM
No the point is valid, my point all along is $$ matters, its not a bottomless pit of funds. The argument doesn't work both ways so I am not the one who looks like I am talking out both sides of my mouth.

Countless times the same people who are bitching about TJ's $ have said they don't care about $$ one iota because Clark has plenty. $$ is only a point if it helps make their argument at the time.

Surely you can understand that? Maybe you can't see the hypocrisy but if you can't its no sweat off my back anyway.

Salary cap, lol. Doesn't exist/CP

MagicHef
08-15-2012, 09:05 AM
Here are the players who had similar run defense/pass rush ratings from PFF last season:

Mike Devito
Jurrell Casey
Justin Bannan
Fred Robbins

Actually, that may not be entirely fair, all 4 of those guys were better at rushing the passer and at stopping the run than Jackson.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-15-2012, 10:03 AM
What about stops? Seems to be a more significant ability in the defense KC runs. How many of those guys are 3-4 ends? Stupid trying to compare him to some 4-3 guys.

He and Dorsey free up Hali and company to do thier job. 150 plus pressures by Hali over 2 years tells me all I need to now

suzzer99
08-15-2012, 10:10 AM
What kills your team is a complete bust like Ryan Sims at #6. Getting a solid 10-year-starter at #3 is about 10% as damaging as that. The Chiefs have gotten remarkably lucky to not have a first round bust since Sims.

Fat Elvis
08-15-2012, 10:15 AM
What kills your team is a complete bust like Ryan Sims at #6. Getting a solid 10-year-starter at #3 is about 10% as damaging as that. The Chiefs have gotten remarkably lucky to not have a first round bust since Sims.

Don't forget SlyMo the year before Sims. Two #1s in a row busting really hurts a team. SlyMo only played for one year according to Wikipedia. Sims at least played 4 years.

Edit: Slymo was 2 years before; we got Trent Green for our 1st. Anyway, the 1st round drafts for the Chiefs between '94 and '04 leave a lot to be desired outside of Gonzalez...pretty well explains why we sucked for so long. The first round picks from '05 on are freaking solid and go a long ways in explaining why we now have such a strong nucleus of a team.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2012, 10:25 AM
Don't forget SlyMo the year before Sims. Two #1s in a row busting really hurts a team. SlyMo only played for one year according to Wikipedia. Sims at least played 4 years.

Sylvester Morris was drafted in 2000, not 2001. Trent Green was the Chiefs first rounder in 2001. In 2004, there was no first rounder selected.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2012, 10:59 AM
Here are the players who had similar run defense/pass rush ratings from PFF last season:

Mike Devito
Jurrell Casey
Justin Bannan
Fred Robbins

Actually, that may not be entirely fair, all 4 of those guys were better at rushing the passer and at stopping the run than Jackson.

Yup, I've made this comparison several times.

Tyson Jackson will never, ever come close to justifying his pick or contract if he's that kind of player.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-15-2012, 11:03 AM
He's still ascending though. Some of those guys are old farts.

MagicHef
08-15-2012, 11:30 AM
He's still ascending though. Some of those guys are old farts.

Devito was a UDFA in 2007, and Casey was a third round rookie last season.

The other two are indeed old farts.

Congrats.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-15-2012, 11:31 AM
Congrats on Robert Ayers "reclaiming" his starting job...I guess.

Ace Gunner
08-15-2012, 11:55 AM
What about stops? Seems to be a more significant ability in the defense KC runs. How many of those guys are 3-4 ends? Stupid trying to compare him to some 4-3 guys.

He and Dorsey free up Hali and company to do thier job. 150 plus pressures by Hali over 2 years tells me all I need to now

I believe you could line up at RDE and Hali would still get his job done.

It isn't Dorsey that is enabling Hali, it is the defensive scheme Hali plays in that puts him far outside the OT's scope of play, therefore Hali, lined up as a 7tek or 9tek gets assigned a pulling guard, FB, TE or RB by the offense in attempt to block him.

If the Chiefs had a good player at RDE, Hali and the RDE would accumulate sack heaven the same way Leonard Marshall and Lawrence Taylor did in this defense.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-15-2012, 11:56 AM
I believe you could line up at RDE and Hali would still get his job done.

It isn't Dorsey that is enabling Hali, it is the defensive scheme Hali plays in that puts him far outside the OT's scope of play, therefore Hali, lined up as a 7tek or 9tek gets assigned a pulling guard, FB, TE or RB by the offense in attempt to block him.

After your takes on Bowe, I can't take any of your posts seriously. Sorry.

Ace Gunner
08-15-2012, 12:07 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar6681_15.gif


uh. okay.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-15-2012, 12:19 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar6681_15.gif


uh. okay.

That av is gold if you get the context of it.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2012, 12:22 PM
After your takes on Bowe, I can't take any of your posts seriously. Sorry.

Questo

Saul Good
08-15-2012, 02:10 PM
TJ and Dorsey are two of the better run stuffers in the league. Unfortunately, being very good on 40% of the snaps and invisible on 60% doesn't cut it. Dorsey is gone after this season, and TJ really needs to step it up.

I understand that they aren't pass rushers, but they have combined for six sacks in seven seasons played. That's completely unacceptable, even in a 3-4.

MagicHef
08-15-2012, 02:28 PM
TJ and Dorsey are two of the better run stuffers in the league. Unfortunately, being very good on 40% of the snaps and invisible on 60% doesn't cut it. Dorsey is gone after this season, and TJ really needs to step it up.

I understand that they aren't pass rushers, but they have combined for six sacks in seven seasons played. That's completely unacceptable, even in a 3-4.

Their relative value as run stuffers is not quite what it appears to be, because of how PFF does some of its stats. I'm not sure why, but they only have 11 teams as 3-4 defenses. Even the Ravens and the Jets were listed as 4-3s. In fact, there are only 15 players that had as many snaps at 3-4 DE as Jackson did last year. So, it may sound impressive that Jackson was the 6th best 3-4 DE against the run, but it's a little less impressive when that's out of only 15 players.

Also, rushing the passer, Jackson and Dorsey were #12 and #13 out of those 15 players.

Chiefnj2
08-15-2012, 02:32 PM
Their relative value as run stuffers is not quite what it appears to be, because of how PFF does some of its stats. I'm not sure why, but they only have 11 teams as 3-4 defenses. Even the Ravens and the Jets were listed as 4-3s. In fact, there are only 15 players that had as many snaps at 3-4 DE as Jackson did last year. So, it may sound impressive that Jackson was the 6th best 3-4 DE against the run, but it's a little less impressive when that's out of only 15 players.

Also, rushing the passer, Jackson and Dorsey were #12 and #13 out of those 15 players.

Do they give a breakdown of what % of snaps each team D plays in each formation? KC plays lots of sub packages.

MagicHef
08-15-2012, 02:40 PM
Do they give a breakdown of what % of snaps each team D plays in each formation? KC plays lots of sub packages.

They don't do it by formation, but by player participation. Dorsey played 640/991 plays, or 64.6%, and Jackson played 610/991 plays, or 61.6%.

LiL stumppy
08-15-2012, 03:25 PM
I remember two years ago saying he wouldnt be a bust on here, and would develop into a good player. Mecca and hamas bitched me up and down. Haha feels good to be right