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Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 05:42 PM
This is a national broadcast, so tune in! We should get a good preview of our opponent for Week 1.

We also get a good look at another team with a young QB who can throw the ball past 15 yards.

By the way, last week the Falcons were awesome. Matt Ryan and Julio Jones looked like total studs. Pretty concerning for us Chiefs fans.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 05:52 PM
dude the last game you said we were going to "see 2 real QB's" amounted in 4 complete passes and an INT between the two of them with 0 scores.

BTW, who has more playoff wins, Cassel or Ryan?

Dylan
08-16-2012, 05:57 PM
Who's the powerhouse?

TIA

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:02 PM
Who's the powerhouse?

TIA

I think we're looking at one powerhouse, and a rising powerhouse.

These teams will dominate their conferences for years to come.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:03 PM
I think we're looking at one powerhouse, and a rising powerhouse.

These teams will dominate their conferences for years to come.

3 playoff trips with 0 wins isn't dominating

mr. tegu
08-16-2012, 06:06 PM
3 playoff trips with 0 wins isn't dominating

Misleading thread title.

Al Bundy
08-16-2012, 06:08 PM
This is a national broadcast, so tune in! We should get a good preview of our opponent for Week 1.

We also get a good look at another team with a young QB who can throw the ball past 15 yards.

By the way, last week the Falcons were awesome. Matt Ryan and Julio Jones looked like total studs. Pretty concerning for us Chiefs fans.

Fuck Matty Ryan and the Falcants. Talk about completely overrated.

Al Bundy
08-16-2012, 06:08 PM
I think we're looking at one powerhouse, and a rising powerhouse.

These teams will dominate their conferences for years to come.

The Fowlcons have crested... there little mini run is over.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:10 PM
Bucs gonna be good this year, man?

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:10 PM
Mike Cox sighting!

bevischief
08-16-2012, 06:11 PM
I can't believe I am seeing this game on TV instead of the Greenbay game.

Al Bundy
08-16-2012, 06:12 PM
Bucs gonna be good this year, man?

As you can tell I HATE the Falcons. As far as the Bucs... I will say they will be a lot better, but I expect around 7-9 or 6-10. Most of it depends on the defensive line for Tampa Bay.

mr. tegu
08-16-2012, 06:12 PM
Their o line looks awful so far after three plays. Open competition is not a good thing there.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:13 PM
Pretty weak holding call

Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:14 PM
I think we're looking at one powerhouse, and a rising powerhouse.

These teams will dominate their conferences for years to come.

The Giants pounded them in the NFC wild card game in January - 24-2. The score was crazy.

I like the Bengals

Al Bundy
08-16-2012, 06:14 PM
Gonzales push off pushed him back behind the first down marker.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:15 PM
Decent drive for the Falcons. Ryan looked good.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:16 PM
Decent drive for the Falcons. Ryan looked good.

ROFL

Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:19 PM
I can't believe I am seeing this game on TV instead of the Greenbay game.

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/135639/1/watch-cleveland-browns-vs-green-bay-packers.html

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:19 PM
Atlanta's defense throttling Cincy. Wow.

BS flag.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:19 PM
I'm already seeing around the league that teams are abandoning the run like crazy. Not all of them but a lot. 3rd and 1 and you line up for a pass? Atlanta had 3rd and 3 and went empty backfield.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:21 PM
Right on cue, Cinci busts a good run then fumbles

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:21 PM
Yep. Playmaking Atlanta defense.

Mr. Laz
08-16-2012, 06:22 PM
Matt 'Captain Checkdown' Ryan

White,Jones,Gonzo,Turner and he still checks it down on every play

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:23 PM
Matt 'Captain Checkdown' Ryan

White,Jones,Gonzo,Turner and he still checks it down on every play

Broke a franchise record for passing yards last year.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:23 PM
Matt 'Captain Checkdown' Ryan

White,Jones,Gonzo,Turner and he still checks it down on every play

:D

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Broke a franchise record for passing yards last year.

3 rushes for -2 yards..I can see why

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2012, 06:24 PM
This game is boring

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Poor possession for Atlanta. Not gonna lie.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Atlanta signed Matt Cassel

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2012, 06:25 PM
Broke a franchise record for passing yards last year.

Atlanta has had a lot of great QB's.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-16-2012, 06:26 PM
Can't wait to get these guys in Arrowhead. I'll be there!!!

Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:27 PM
uh oh, Weeden rattled on blitz

CLE 0 GB 7

mr. tegu
08-16-2012, 06:27 PM
3 rushes for -2 yards..I can see why

Well in Atlanta's defense the announcers did say there is open competition on this o-line ROFL

Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:29 PM
GB's first defense needs work

Messier
08-16-2012, 06:30 PM
Poor possession for Atlanta. Not gonna lie.

Why would you need to? In fact why do you care about defending any of the teams the Chiefs will be playing?

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:31 PM
WTF was the facemask?

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:31 PM
Bengals 2011 season was alot like the Chiefs 2010, IIRC.


At this point I don't see Dalton more than a game manager, but I think he has a chance to make the next step this year.


Terrible facemask call.

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:32 PM
Falcons are a really good team. Good test to see where our Chiefs are right out of the gate.

RunKC
08-16-2012, 06:32 PM
I'm more scared of the Bengals than the Falcons. The Bengals defense is for real and their run defense is stuffing Michael Turner's shit.

The Falcons run defense looks below average. Bengals backup RB fumbles....but after breaking a 15 yard run up the middle.

I think we'll beat the Falcons at home. Maybe not the Bengals though. Damn.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:33 PM
Rogers looks good. They should pull him.

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:34 PM
I'm more scared of the Bengals than the Falcons. The Bengals defense is for real and their run defense is stuffing Michael Turner's shit.

The Falcons run defense looks below average. Bengals backup RB fumbles....but after breaking a 15 yard run up the middle.

I think we'll beat the Falcons at home. Maybe not the Bengals though. Damn.

Turner is shit at this point.

RunKC
08-16-2012, 06:36 PM
Also, the Bengals OL is average at best. That's their biggest weakness. If they build that up in the next year or two they will be scary.

mr. tegu
08-16-2012, 06:36 PM
Rogers looks good. They should pull him.

I assume you are posting about the Packers because the thread title has "NFC Powerhouse" in it? Way to keep the OP from posting a misleading thread :)

-King-
08-16-2012, 06:36 PM
Waited way too long to throw that. Green was open long before Dalton started scrambling.
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Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:37 PM
CLE (Stevens) ripped the ball away from Cobb

CLE in scoring position

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:37 PM
I think Witherspoon, the LB from ATL, has a great year, possibly becoming an all pro.

-King-
08-16-2012, 06:37 PM
Atlanta has had a lot of great QB's.

LMAO
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-King-
08-16-2012, 06:38 PM
I think Witherspoon, the LB from ATL, has a great year, possibly becoming an all pro.

MIZ
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tecumseh
08-16-2012, 06:38 PM
Bad injury bug for the Bengals.

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:38 PM
Bengals have been hit with some injuries already.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2012, 06:38 PM
OU had a bunch of guys who are always injured: Bradford, Murray, and Gresham. I'm sure theres a few others i'm forgetting.

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:39 PM
MIZ
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Yep.


I actually wanted the Chiefs to grab him, but I don't think he would really fit the 34.

RunKC
08-16-2012, 06:39 PM
The Falcons run defense doesn't look near as good. I guess that's what happens when you lose a good LB like Curtis Lofton

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:39 PM
Bengals have been hit with some injuries already.

Should have hired Haley for conditioning and field trips.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 06:39 PM
I assume you are posting about the Packers because the thread title has "NFC Powerhouse" in it? Way to keep the OP from posting a misleading thread :)

hush. bevischief wanted to watch GB - just giving him an update.

are you new here?

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:41 PM
NOt sure about Asante Samuel as a starting CB, he's gonna get targeted alot.



And Micheal Turner looks like he's running in sand. I think he's done.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2012, 06:41 PM
NOt sure about Asante Samuel as a starting CB, he's gonna get targeted alot.



And Micheal Turner looks like he's running in sand. I think he's done.

It's pre season man.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:43 PM
JFc these Refs suck

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 06:44 PM
How unusual is it to not have your O-line set going into pre-season? Seems deconcerting to me.

-King-
08-16-2012, 06:44 PM
NOt sure about Asante Samuel as a starting CB, he's gonna get targeted alot.



And Micheal Turner looks like he's running in sand. I think he's done.

Samuel was a top 5 CB last year with some putting him at #1.
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tecumseh
08-16-2012, 06:47 PM
Tony G.

-King-
08-16-2012, 06:48 PM
Only 2 passes over 15 yards so far. Not impressed.
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petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:48 PM
tony G. won't be running that open against RAC....or better not be anyway

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:48 PM
Atlanta defense really kicking some ass in this game so far.

Matt Ryan is red hot, 11/13!

Tribal Warfare
08-16-2012, 06:49 PM
Tony G.

It's just weird seeing him in a Falcon jersey.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:49 PM
Ryan looked ok between the 20's and choked in the red zone

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:49 PM
Atlanta defense really kicking some ass in this game so far.

Matt Ryan is red hot, 11/13!

For 3 points

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:51 PM
It's pre season man.

I know, but he was bad last year too.

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:52 PM
Samuel was a top 5 CB last year with some putting him at #1.
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Is that why he was traded for a 7th round pick?

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 06:54 PM
Nice throw ,dalton.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 06:54 PM
Cincy's offense is basically doing nothing in this game until now.

Pretty worried about Matt Cassel against this D.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:55 PM
Neither team looks very good running the ball

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:55 PM
Cincy's offense is basically doing nothing in this game until now.

Pretty worried about Matt Cassel against this D.

Cinci does have a plethora of playmakers and a great oline, so yea.

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 06:56 PM
Drip droppin. those balls.

-King-
08-16-2012, 06:57 PM
Is that why he was traded for a 7th round pick?

Eagles had no choice. They royally fucked up last year by trading for DRC.

Samuels is better than DRC and Asomugha.
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RunKC
08-16-2012, 06:57 PM
Cinci does have a plethora of playmakers and a great oline, so yea.

lol wut

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 06:57 PM
That pass was very Quinnian, Dalton

petegz28
08-16-2012, 06:58 PM
I just hope we don't get this Ref crew game 1

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:58 PM
Tamba and Houston will have a field day against the Bengals.

-King-
08-16-2012, 06:58 PM
What in the fuck?!?! LMAO
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O.city
08-16-2012, 06:58 PM
Eagles had no choice. They royally ****ed up last year by trading for DRC.

Samuels is better than DRC and Asomugha.
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Nah, he's not.

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:59 PM
lol wut

Sarcasm.

O.city
08-16-2012, 06:59 PM
Dalton not looking too good.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:00 PM
BOOM goes the dynamite

-King-
08-16-2012, 07:00 PM
Beautiful fucking pass.
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tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:00 PM
Single man sickness. Assante.

Ceej
08-16-2012, 07:01 PM
Samuel jumps around like an idiot after breaking up a bad throw.

Then gets burnt for a long TD pass.

Love it.

LMAO

Dylan
08-16-2012, 07:02 PM
Beautiful fucking pass.
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agreed - also great catch

asante - smh

he was done four years ago

-King-
08-16-2012, 07:03 PM
Nah, he's not.

yeah...but he is http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2012/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2011

And 2011 was his worst season.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 07:05 PM
Andy Dalton is really good.

Worried about our D against him.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 07:05 PM
Clay Matthews had his hair highlighted. LMAO

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:08 PM
See I think that should be illegal. The team gets set, the QB sees the blitz coming then the entire line moves and turns their head and what not. That should be a false start.

-King-
08-16-2012, 07:08 PM
See I think that should be illegal. The team gets set, the QB sees the blitz coming then the entire line moves and turns their head and what not. That should be a false start.
Yeah that one was a little too much.
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Dylan
08-16-2012, 07:08 PM
Andy Dalton is really good.

Worried about our D against him.

Why? The Chiefs' defense is very good

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:10 PM
Clay Matthews had his hair highlighted. LMAO

Same place Stanzi goes gets his hair did?LMAO

-King-
08-16-2012, 07:10 PM
Why? The Chiefs' defense is very good

Ignore him.
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petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:10 PM
Why? The Chiefs' defense is very good

He's trolling...keep the food in your pocket

Tribal Warfare
08-16-2012, 07:12 PM
Same place Stanzi goes gets his hair did?LMAO

http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Brady-Hair.jpg


Tom Brady must've given drop to those boys

Dylan
08-16-2012, 07:12 PM
By the way, also love your offensive line -

-King-
08-16-2012, 07:13 PM
Mays is such a shitty safety
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Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 07:13 PM
Ryan slinging it now.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 07:14 PM
Yep, that's a QB. zip zip zip

down the field, jack

Just Passin' By
08-16-2012, 07:14 PM
Mays is such a shitty safety
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He's a danger to players on both teams.

ChiefsandO'sfan
08-16-2012, 07:14 PM
Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS

I still think the Bengals need to get Taylor Mays off the field

jd1020
08-16-2012, 07:16 PM
Siragusa thinks the NFL is the NCAA.

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:18 PM
Both these teams will roll the Chiefs, Lions 2011 style.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 07:19 PM
Why? The Chiefs' defense is very good

Don't feed it.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:19 PM
Both these teams will roll the Chiefs, Lions 2011 style.

JFC, not you too?!?!?

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 07:19 PM
18/21

174 yards

Yup, Matt Ryan is a piece of shit.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 07:20 PM
Both these teams will roll the Chiefs, Lions 2011 style.

Are you channeling Clay?

Ye of little faith...

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:20 PM
Well, Ryan seemed comfortable enough with his Oline.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 07:21 PM
18/21

174 yards

Yup, Matt Ryan is a piece of shit.

No play off wins.

Right now, he's just another guy.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:21 PM
Well, Ryan seemed comfortable enough with his Oline.

We'll see how they do when Tamba and Houston are bringing it and not the Cinci defense

Dylan
08-16-2012, 07:21 PM
GB's defense still looks the same (2011)

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:22 PM
The Bengals starting corners are Terrance Newman and a rookie, Kirkpatrick from Bama.


Bengals are strong up front, but the back end is shitty.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:22 PM
Both teams should either do nothing but run the ball the rest of the game or quit running the rest of the game because they both suck at doing it

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 07:22 PM
No play off wins.

Right now, he's just another guy.

Call me when Cassel is ever 18/21 for 174 yards.

Ryan is just another guy who breaks franchise passing records.

Cassel is just another shitty guy.

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Neither team has a running back worth a shit, so yeah they won't run the ball.

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Call me when Cassel is ever 18/21 for 174 yards.

Ryan is just another guy who breaks franchise passing records.

Cassel is just another shitty guy.


You sir are a piece of work.


Preseason stats don't matter, or so I thought?

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Call me when Cassel is ever 18/21 for 174 yards.

Ryan is just another guy who breaks franchise passing records.

Cassel is just another shitty guy.

Who gives a flying fuck about franchise records if you can't win a playoff game?

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:24 PM
You sir are a piece of work.


Preseason stats don't matter, or so I thought?

Excellent point...Ryan has thrown for 174 yards and the Falcons have 10 points

Cassel threw for 67 yards and had 14 points

:evil:

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:24 PM
Did Julio Jones have a catch? IIRC he had one for like 2 yards.

Mr_Tomahawk
08-16-2012, 07:26 PM
Chris Redman > Matt Cassel

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:27 PM
Chris Redman > Matt Cassel

Nah.

Mr_Tomahawk
08-16-2012, 07:28 PM
Nah.

Chris Redman = Matt Cassel

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:28 PM
Chris Redman = Matt Cassel

Nah.....well..................IDK.

the Talking Can
08-16-2012, 07:29 PM
i think ryan is going to have his best passing year (for fantasy)...new OC, they're running more 3 WR sets, and Jones is the real deal (though that trade was still nuts)

they really need a new RB though...turner is on his way to Jones-ville...

Mr_Tomahawk
08-16-2012, 07:29 PM
Nah.....well..................IDK.

Matt Cassel < Chris Redman

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 07:30 PM
You sir are a piece of work.

Preseason stats don't matter, or so I thought?

They matter a whole hell of a lot to the homers right now, so fire is fighting fire.

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:30 PM
I don't get why people are so down on Matt Ryan. He hasn't showed much in the postseason, but my god the dude is still really young and improving.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:30 PM
i think ryan is going to have his best passing year (for fantasy)...new OC, they're running more 3 WR sets, and Jones is the real deal (though that trade was still nuts)

they really need a new RB though...turner is on his way to Jones-ville...

Flowers needs to get healed up fast like and get to practicing. We are going to need him game 1.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:31 PM
I don't get why people are so down on Matt Ryan. He hasn't showed much in the postseason, but my god the dude is still really young and improving.

3 trips to the playoffs with one of the best TE's in the game, one of the best WR's in the game and 0 wins.

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:32 PM
Chris Redman > Matt Cassel

Surely, you shittin'?

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:32 PM
I don't really give a damn about PS games. It's fun to watch and see how guys look, but team as a whole is knda useless to put much stock into.



Get thru it with no injuries and I say it's a win.

Mr_Tomahawk
08-16-2012, 07:32 PM
Surely, you shittin'?

Matt Redman is Chris Cassel.

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:33 PM
3 trips to the playoffs with one of the best TE's in the game, one of the best WR's in the game and 0 wins.

Tony has been good, but a shell of himself in Atlanta.


Maybe he's not a clutch guy, I don't know. He hasn't been yet, but I'd sure as shit take him as a Chiefs qb.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:34 PM
Tony has been good, but a shell of himself in Atlanta.


Maybe he's not a clutch guy, I don't know. He hasn't been yet, but I'd sure as shit take him as a Chiefs qb.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take him over Cassel in a NY minute.

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:35 PM
Matt Redman is Chris Cassel.

Well.............hell.

the Talking Can
08-16-2012, 07:36 PM
3 trips to the playoffs with one of the best TE's in the game, one of the best WR's in the game and 0 wins.

hilarious

sanchez has a passel of playoff wins with mediocre season stats...but he sucks

Ryan is the opposite...but he sucks too

Cassel has neither...he sucks in the regular season and post season...but people still talk about how it is going to click for him this year (as a 30yr old) and we can totally win with him

wtf

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:37 PM
Every year there area few teams that we thought would be really good, end up sucking.



Who you guys think they are this year?

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:37 PM
hilarious

sanchez has a passel of playoff wins with mediocre season stats...but he sucks

Ryan is the opposite...but he sucks too

Cassel has neither...he sucks in the regular season and post season...but people still talk about how it is going to click for him this year (as a 30yr old) and we can totally win with him

wtf

This.


If the Falcons oline can keep Ryan upright, he's a great qb.

mcaj22
08-16-2012, 07:39 PM
The Bengals starting corners are Terrance Newman and a rookie, Kirkpatrick from Bama.


Bengals are strong up front, but the back end is shitty.

Nate Clements? Leon Hall?

lol

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:39 PM
Not sure why Atlanta still has their first teamers out there on d at this point.

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Nate Clements? Leon Hall?

lol

Tonight, I believe they started those two.

O.city
08-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Didn't realize Clemons was 33 years old.

mcaj22
08-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Tonight, I believe they started those two.

Leon Hall is still recovering from an ACL injury but he will eventually take over for one of those turd CBs. Nate Clements should also be around

besides whatever they are doing with Taylor Mays at safety, their secondary is decent.

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:42 PM
hilarious

sanchez has a passel of playoff wins with mediocre season stats...but he sucks

Ryan is the opposite...but he sucks too

Cassel has neither...he sucks in the regular season and post season...but people still talk about how it is going to click for him this year (as a 30yr old) and we can totally win with him

wtf

Cassel has been frustrating to watch at times but I'm not paying him or calling the shots so I do hope someone who saw something impressive can get somebody to teach him, reach him , coach him to the potential that they saw, but for me personally, this year should be his last.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 07:42 PM
Tony has been good, but a shell of himself in Atlanta.


Maybe he's not a clutch guy, I don't know. He hasn't been yet, but I'd sure as shit take him as a Chiefs qb.

Just back looking at the highlights and stats from their playoff game last year...

This might be part of the problem

Atlanta Rushing:
64 yards

NY Rushing:
172

Which probably lends itself to:

Ryan 18/41 for 199

Manning 23/32 for 277

mcaj22
08-16-2012, 07:46 PM
is Jaquizz Rodgers worth taking a fantasy flyer on?

He looks much better than Michael Turner.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 07:46 PM
Dalton to Green, 50 yd. TD catch: highlight of the night.

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:50 PM
Ryan to Green, 50 yd. TD catch: highlight of the night.

Thanks, Dylan. BTW is that the Black Widow on tha t artsy avatar?

Mr_Tomahawk
08-16-2012, 07:52 PM
Thanks, Dylan. BTW is that the Black Widow on tha t artsy avatar?

That's Dylan.

tecumseh
08-16-2012, 07:55 PM
That's Dylan.

It could be. It should be. All I know is I'm a beagle.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 07:58 PM
Thanks, Dylan. BTW is that the Black Widow on tha t artsy avatar?

oh, thanks, guys. I found the avatar here: http://www.deviantart.com/

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 08:02 PM
Call me when Cassel is ever 18/21 for 174 yards.

Ryan is just another guy who breaks franchise passing records.

Cassel is just another shitty guy.

Did I mention Cassel?

Right now, they have equally shitty PO records.

-King-
08-16-2012, 08:09 PM
I don't get why people are so down on Matt Ryan. He hasn't showed much in the postseason, but my god the dude is still really young and improving.

He's one of the best above average QB in the league. He'll never be elite, but he isn't bad.

I'd probably put him somewhere around the 10th - 13th best in the league.

-King-
08-16-2012, 08:10 PM
It could be. It should be. All I know is I'm a beagle.

LMAO

jd1020
08-16-2012, 08:12 PM
He's one of the best above average QB in the league. He'll never be elite, but he isn't bad.

I'd probably put him somewhere around the 10th - 13th best in the league.

I'd put him top 10.

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Stafford

Can you think of 2 other QB's you would take over him?

Newton is a possibility but I need to see more than 1 season.

Ryan would be 9th on my list.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 08:12 PM
He's a handsome beagle. :D

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 08:16 PM
Did I mention Cassel?

Right now, they have equally shitty PO records.

That doesn't really provide a good indicator of how good Matt Ryan is, and how shitty Matt Cassel is.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:19 PM
I think if I were starting a team right now, I'm taking Matt Stafford as my qb.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 08:19 PM
That doesn't really provide a good indicator of how good Matt Ryan is, and how shitty Matt Cassel is.

That's correct.

Doesn't change the fact that Ryan has not played well in the post-season.

See Mark Sanchez.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 08:20 PM
I think if I were starting a team right now, I'm taking Matt Stafford as my qb.

Absolutely.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:20 PM
I think after this season or the next, Stafford is a top 4 or 5 qb in the league if he can stay healthy.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 08:22 PM
I think after this season or the next, Stafford is a top 4 or 5 qb in the league if he can stay healthy.

I wouldn't take him over any of the elite QBs for that simple reason. He just had his first full season last year. Peyton is probably the only one I would take him over just because of his age and his neck.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 08:22 PM
I think after this season or the next, Stafford is a top 4 or 5 qb in the league if he can stay healthy.

Yep.

If they would just fire Gunther, they'd win some SBs.

Stafford's arm is Elway level great.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:25 PM
I wouldn't take him over any of the elite QBs for that simple reason. He just had his first full season last year. Peyton is probably the only one I would take him over just because of his age and his neck.

If I'm starting a team, I want a young guy. I don't think he's as good as any of the elite guys yet, but I think he will be.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:25 PM
I don't really know that I've seen a qb that has Stafford level arm strength.

-King-
08-16-2012, 08:26 PM
I'd put him top 10.

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Stafford

Can you think of 2 other QB's you would take over him?

Newton is a possibility but I need to see more than 1 season.

Ryan would be 9th on my list.

Brady
Flacco
Roethlisberger
Schaub
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rivers
Romo
Rodgers
Stafford
Brees

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:29 PM
I can't put Flacco up there or Schaub. Schaub has to do something in the playoffs and Flacco has to not waste that defense.



I think this is a different year for Flacco. That defense won't be as unstoppable without Suggs. As much as Lewis is the focal point, I think Suggs is the best player on that d.

Dylan
08-16-2012, 08:29 PM
Flacco second? Yikes

Schaub fourth? Yikes

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't think thats in any order, just the guys in the top 10.

-King-
08-16-2012, 08:33 PM
I can't put Flacco up there or Schaub. Schaub has to do something in the playoffs and Flacco has to not waste that defense.


Did you miss last year? Flacco played great during the post season. He was a dropped TD away from going to the superbowl. He outplayed Brady and it wasn't even close. Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff just had to fuck it up for him.

And no Schaub doesn't have post season success. But neither does Ryan. Schaub is better in the regular season though.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 08:36 PM
I'd put him top 10.

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Stafford

Can you think of 2 other QB's you would take over him?

Newton is a possibility but I need to see more than 1 season.

Ryan would be 9th on my list.

I'd take Romo, Vick, Cutler, and Schaub over Ryan. I think that dudes remarkably average.

Dalton and Newton have impressed me more than he has lately. And if I were starting a brand new franchise today I'd probably take Luck or RGIII over him as well.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-16-2012, 08:36 PM
Just me but I don't think Atlanta is gonna have the ball long enough to score more than 14 points. We're gonna run it down their throats, they won't be able to get in a rhythm offensively.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:37 PM
Did you miss last year? Flacco played great during the post season. He was a dropped TD away from going to the superbowl. He outplayed Brady and it wasn't even close. Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff just had to **** it up for him.

And no Schaub doesn't have post season success. But neither does Ryan. Schaub is better in the regular season though.

Yes Flacco did play well last year in the playoffs, and did get fucked with Cundiff.


But, like it or not, he was the Qb of the team that lost. He gets alot of the unfair blame, until he gets them over the hump.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 08:38 PM
I'd take Romo, Vick, Cutler, and Schaub over Ryan. I think that dudes remarkably average.

Dalton and Newton have impressed me more than he has lately. And if I were starting a brand new franchise today I'd probably take Luck or RGIII over him as well.

I forgot about Cutler. I'd probably put him above Ryan but none of the rest.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:39 PM
I'd take Romo, Vick, Cutler, and Schaub over Ryan. I think that dudes remarkably average.

Dalton and Newton have impressed me more than he has lately. And if I were starting a brand new franchise today I'd probably take Luck or RGIII over him as well.

No chance in hell am I taking Vick. If you take him you better have a backup that can play 4 or 5 games a year.


Cutler tends to be too much of a gunslinger.



Schaub and Ryan are pretty much the same, but I can't call either remarkably average.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 08:39 PM
Yes Flacco did play well last year in the playoffs, and did get ****ed with Cundiff.


But, like it or not, he was the Qb of the team that lost. He gets alot of the unfair blame, until he gets them over the hump.

I don't think of Flacco as a top QB because his job is the same as Cassel's... not to **** it up.

Just Passin' By
08-16-2012, 08:39 PM
Did you miss last year? Flacco played great during the post season. He was a dropped TD away from going to the superbowl. He outplayed Brady and it wasn't even close. Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff just had to **** it up for him.

And no Schaub doesn't have post season success. But neither does Ryan. Schaub is better in the regular season though.

The Patriots defense was awful last season, and Flacco still couldn't beat it when the Ravens defense gave him a chance by holding Brady & Co. to 23 points.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:40 PM
I don't think of Flacco as a top QB because his job is the same as Cassel's... don't **** it up.

This, or atleast, this so far in his career.



I think that defense starts to age and breakdown, he's gonna have to provide more leadership.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:40 PM
The Patriots defense was awful last season, and Flacco still couldn't beat it when the Ravens defense gave him a chance by holding Brady & Co. to 23 points.

Thing is, he did beat it. He drove them down to pretty much a chip shot to win field goal and their kicker blew it.

Just Passin' By
08-16-2012, 08:41 PM
Thing is, he did beat it. He drove them down to pretty much a chip shot to win field goal and their kicker blew it.

No, he didn't beat it, and the field goal would only have tied the game.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 08:43 PM
chase coffman sighting

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 08:44 PM
I think Romo is great. The guy obviously puts up great numbers and has been the leader of one of the leagues top 10 offenses since he arrived. His playoff/late season choke acts are a bit disconcerting but I still hold his skills in high regard.

Vick isn't the best passer but he flashes and amazing cannon from time to time. Not to mention the dynamic his legs bring. Has that guy ever started for a team that didn't lead (or come very close to) the league in rushing? Look what he's helped Lesean McCoy do in Philly and what he did for Warrick Dunn in the twilight of his career in Atlanta. Much like Tebow, he takes a lot of pressure off the run blocking o-line and RBs.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:44 PM
Or the dropped td that would have put them ahead, IIRC.



But you are right, that would have only tied it. I thought it was to win. My fault.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 08:44 PM
The Patriots defense was awful last season, and Flacco still couldn't beat it when the Ravens defense gave him a chance by holding Brady & Co. to 23 points.

Flacco beat the Patriots.

His receiver dropped the game winner.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:45 PM
I think Romo is great. The guy obviously puts up great numbers and has been the leader of one of the leagues top 10 offenses since he arrived. His playoff/late season choke acts are a bit disconcerting but I still hold his skills in high regard.

Vick isn't the best passer but he flashes and amazing cannon from time to time. Not to mention the dynamic his legs bring. Has that guy ever started for a team that didn't lead (or come very close to) the league in rushing? Look what he's helped Lesean McCoy do in Philly and what he did for Warrick Dunn in the twilight of his career in Atlanta. Much like Tebow, he takes a lot of pressure off the run blocking o-line and RBs.

He's also terrible at reading defenses and gets the shit beat out of him every year cause he runs too much.

-King-
08-16-2012, 08:45 PM
Yes Flacco did play well last year in the playoffs, and did get fucked with Cundiff.


But, like it or not, he was the Qb of the team that lost. He gets alot of the unfair blame, until he gets them over the hump.

Still better than Ryan.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 08:46 PM
Vick for 12-14 games > Ryan for 16.

In my opinion.

I should probably reneg on my previous statement about Ryan. Remarkably average is a bit harsh. I'd say he's above average. Solid. B-.

-King-
08-16-2012, 08:47 PM
No, he didn't beat it, and the field goal would only have tied the game.

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O.city
08-16-2012, 08:47 PM
Still better than Ryan.

I dunno.



They are very much the same at this point.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 08:48 PM
He's also terrible at reading defenses and gets the shit beat out of him every year cause he runs too much.

Every QB not in the elite tier has weaknesses.

Just Passin' By
08-16-2012, 08:48 PM
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So he threw an incomplete pass. Congratulations in order, or something?

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 08:51 PM
Anyone that watched football last season knows the Ravens should have repped the AFC in the Superbowl last year. Not really much to argue about.

O.city
08-16-2012, 08:53 PM
Gotta love the Pats fans on here.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Anyone that watched football last season knows the Ravens should have repped the AFC in the Superbowl last year. Not really much to argue about.

Both teams that made the SB shouldn't have been there but they were.

Just Passin' By
08-16-2012, 08:59 PM
Gotta love the Pats fans on here.

I'm not sure what your point is here, but my posts were about Flacco.

CoMoChief
08-16-2012, 09:00 PM
Tony G's full of shit. He just said this year's Falcons are the best team (on paper) he's played on.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 09:01 PM
Tony says the 2012 Falcons are the best team he's ever played on.

Week 1 gonna be a war.

Fruit Ninja
08-16-2012, 09:02 PM
ughh, what other team was better? 2003 no defense Chiefs? 98 chiefs who choked? thats about the only thing that comes close it hink.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 09:03 PM
Fuck that guy.

Their ground game will blow and their defense isn't special. I'm struggling to think of anyone on that side of the ball that's intimidating...

Brent Grimes? LMAO

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:03 PM
Maybe the Chiefs team that had the best offense in the NFL was better?

jd1020
08-16-2012, 09:03 PM
Ryan, Gonzalez, White, Julio. I can see it.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:04 PM
**** that guy.

Their ground game will blow and their defense isn't special. I'm struggling to think of anyone on that side of the ball that's intimidating...

Brent Grimes? LMAO

They have a good defense. They are a good team, it's gonna be a great test for the Chiefs.


WE will have to play well to beat them.

Fruit Ninja
08-16-2012, 09:04 PM
Maybe the Chiefs team that had the best offense in the NFL was better?

Except we were so one sided and couldnt win a play off game either. lol 2003 Chiefs is the only team that came close i think, i still wont ever forget the commish making fun of the Chiefs Defense that year. It was that bad.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 09:05 PM
Brent Grimes? LMAO

Brent Grimes was the #2 CB in the NFL last season, according to the experts at PFF.

John Abraham is a beast, too.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 09:06 PM
Ryan, Gonzalez, White, Julio. I can see it.

Except that outside of those guys they really don't have anyone special.

Plus they're all offensive. Tony's played on several Chiefs teams that had HOFers, pro bowlers and put up the stats to prove that they worked extremely well together.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:07 PM
Brent Grimes was the #2 CB in the NFL last season, according to the experts at PFF.

John Abraham is a beast, too.

Abraham seemed to have lost some last year, but they have good players on D.


Witherspoon is a potential all pro at LB.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:08 PM
IIRC, the Falcons oline got their shit pushed in last year against the Giants when they couldn't run the ball for shit and Ryan got bashed around.


Granted, the Giants dline, pretty nasty.


I think we actually match up decently with the Falcons. They don't stop the run very well and don't run the ball very much.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 09:08 PM
Brent Grimes was the #2 CB in the NFL last season, according to the experts at PFF.

John Abraham is a beast, too.

Abraham is a beast. Grimes is good as well but I'd bet money Bowe would give him the workout of his career.

Canofbier
08-16-2012, 09:09 PM
What the fuck is this fat dumbass talking about? What horrible sideline reporting.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 09:10 PM
Except that outside of those guys they really don't have anyone special.

Plus they're all offensive. Tony's played on several Chiefs teams that had HOFers, pro bowlers and put up the stats to prove that they worked extremely well together.

When were the Chiefs ever well rounded when he was here?

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 09:11 PM
I think we actually match up decently with the Falcons. They don't stop the run very well and don't run the ball very much.

That's what I'm thinking.. hoping.

Its going to come down to whether or not we can contain Jones and White without letting Tony run too wild.

Do we put Berry over top of Flowers for help deep or stick him on Tony the entire game and leave Flowers out to dry? I like Routt's size and physicality on Julio but we'll see.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-16-2012, 09:11 PM
Tony says the 2012 Falcons are the best team he's ever played on.

Week 1 gonna be a war.

Tony says that every year.

-King-
08-16-2012, 09:12 PM
The Falcons scored 2 points in the playoffs. Even the 2006 chiefs did better than that ROFL

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:13 PM
That's what I'm thinking.. hoping.

Its going to come down to whether or not we can contain Jones and White without letting Tony run too wild.

Do we put Berry over top of Flowers for help deep or stick him on Tony the entire game and leave Flowers out to dry? I like Routt's size and physicality on Julio but we'll see.

You know the best way to slow those guys down?




Have Tamba, Houston, DJ, Berry, whoever, meet about 4 yards behind the center as often as possible.


Matt Ryan is great when he has a clean pocket. He gets rattled when you knock the shit out of him continuously.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 09:14 PM
When were the Chiefs ever well rounded when he was here?

We've never been well rounded. Ever.

But we had either the best or second best (to Indy) offense in 03.

Best offense + complete garb defense isn't too far off above average offense + average defense.

That 03 could beat anybody. Just needed a lucky bounce or two on defense.

petegz28
08-16-2012, 09:15 PM
IIRC, the Falcons oline got their shit pushed in last year against the Giants when they couldn't run the ball for shit and Ryan got bashed around.


Granted, the Giants dline, pretty nasty.


I think we actually match up decently with the Falcons. They don't stop the run very well and don't run the ball very much.

Yea I posted the rushing stats earlier from that game. The Falcons were well under 100 and the Giants ran for 177

Coogs
08-16-2012, 09:15 PM
You know the best way to slow those guys down?




Have Tamba, Houston, DJ, Berry, whoever, meet about 4 yards behind the center as often as possible.


Matt Ryan is great when he has a clean pocket. He gets rattled when you knock the shit out of him continuously.

Then run, run, and run some more. Keep them on the sideline.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 09:16 PM
You know the best way to slow those guys down?




Have Tamba, Houston, DJ, Berry, whoever, meet about 4 yards behind the center as often as possible.


Matt Ryan is great when he has a clean pocket. He gets rattled when you knock the shit out of him continuously.

Good point. I hate to rely on pressure but if we can get to him early it will change the game right off the bat. If Arrowhead is rocking I like our chances.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 09:16 PM
We've never been well rounded. Ever.

But we had either the best or second best (to Indy) offense in 03.

Best offense + complete garb defense isn't too far off above average offense + average defense.

That 03 could beat anybody. Just needed a lucky bounce or two on defense.

Or when the other team had to punt... at least one time.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:18 PM
Good point. I hate to rely on pressure but if we can get to him early it will change the game right off the bat. If Arrowhead is rocking I like our chances.

It's alot easier to rely on pressure than covering wr's.

ThaVirus
08-16-2012, 09:21 PM
Or when the other team had to punt... at least one time.

LMAO Exactly! I'm still pissed Priest fumbled in that game but I can't be too mad; he went the fuck off. Had like 178 yards if I remember correctly. I more pissed at our shit ass defense for not forcing a SINGLE FUCKING PUNT. Those worthless pieces of shit.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:23 PM
I hope to hell we try and pressure the qb alot more this year with hopefully our defense fully healthy.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 09:29 PM
Tony says the 2012 Falcons are the best team he's ever played on.

Week 1 gonna be a war.Tony lobbied for Thigpen...

KCtotheSB
08-16-2012, 09:32 PM
I know they are seventh stringers or whatever, but holy shit did the Falcons receivers shit the bed on that last drive.

Chiefnj2
08-16-2012, 09:36 PM
I wish KC had taken a chance on Davis. Kid looked better than Quinn and Stanzi.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2012, 10:01 PM
I think we're looking at one powerhouse, and a rising powerhouse.

These teams will dominate their conferences for years to come.

The Bengals ROFL JFC ROFL

You do realize they played the NFC West last year :eek:

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:04 PM
18 OF FUCKING 21.

JFC.

We would be buying Cassel entire harems of women trained in the kama sutra if he ever did that.

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2012, 10:04 PM
You do realize they played the NFC West last year :eek:ROFL

jd1020
08-16-2012, 10:05 PM
The Bengals ROFL JFC ROFL

You do realize they played the NFC West last year :eek:

The Bengals were like 1-6 against .500+ teams and third stringer TJ Yates wipes the floor with them in the playoffs... POWERHOUSE!

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2012, 10:06 PM
The Bengals were like 1-6 against .500+ teams... POWERHOUSE!

Absolute frauds like Ryan Fitzpatrick's 1st half.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:06 PM
The Bengals ROFL JFC ROFL

You do realize they played the NFC West last year :eek:

Yes, we'll see if they are frauds this year.

Based on the fact their QB is a fucking badass, I doubt it.

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-King-
08-16-2012, 10:09 PM
The Bengals ROFL JFC ROFL

You do realize they played the NFC West last year :eek:

The Bengals were like 1-6 against .500+ teams and third stringer TJ Yates wipes the floor with them in the playoffs... POWERHOUSE!

ROFL

O.city
08-16-2012, 10:10 PM
Their qb was the ultimate game manager last year. They aren't gonna have a running game this year, so he's gonna have to nut up.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:11 PM
Their qb was the ultimate game manager last year.

He was one of the leaders in downfield passing.

He's a lot better than people give him credit for.


Deep Passing, 2011 Playoff Quarterbacks:

Aaron Rodgers - 30 for 57 (53%)
Drew Brees - 31 for 61 (50.8%)
Andy Dalton - 24 for 56 (43%)

And FFS, he was a ROOKIE.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2012, 10:14 PM
After deducting all stats against NFC West teams, teams with losing records, and passes to guys that weren't in the spot they originally were supposed to be in, I have him at 1100 yards passing and 5 TD's. Sorry.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-16-2012, 10:17 PM
Visions of another 250 yard rushing performance are dancing in my head when I think about the opener. I think we're gonna gut them.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:24 PM
Visions of another 250 yard rushing performance are dancing in my head when I think about the opener. I think we're gonna gut them.

Atlanta only had the #6 rushing D last year.

While the Cardinals were #21.

So maybe do a little research before you extrapolate two preseason drives into 250 rushing yards. LMAO

O.city
08-16-2012, 10:28 PM
Atlanta only had the #6 rushing D last year.

While the Cardinals were #21.

So maybe do a little research before you extrapolate two preseason drives into 250 rushing yards. LMAO

Yet they were dominated physically up front by the Giants offensive line in the playoffs.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:30 PM
So we're as good as the Super Bowl champions...

Begun, this troll off, has.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 10:32 PM
Yes, we'll see if they are frauds this year.

Based on the fact their QB is a ****ing badass, I doubt it.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1301735/ajgreen.gif

Is that the same badass that completed <50% of his passes and had a TD:INT ratio of 4:5 against the 2 actual powerhouses in his division that he's going to dominate?

O.city
08-16-2012, 10:33 PM
So we're as good as the Super Bowl champions...

Begun, this troll off, has.



As good as the Giants offensive line, in regards to the running attack?


I'd hope we are.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:34 PM
Sorry that a rookie struggled at times. LMAO

If Dalton was our QB, we'd be going insane with joy.

jd1020
08-16-2012, 10:35 PM
Sorry that a rookie struggled at times. LMAO

If Dalton was our QB, we'd be going insane with joy.

I'd like our chances better but I still wouldn't be crowning the Chiefs as a playoff winner.

O.city
08-16-2012, 10:35 PM
Sorry that a rookie struggled at times. LMAO

If Dalton was our QB, we'd be going insane with joy.

I thought rookies were badass last year and Baldwin was the only one that wasn't?

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:39 PM
I thought rookies were badass last year and Baldwin was the only one that wasn't?

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O.city
08-16-2012, 10:41 PM
Troll off, sunup.