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Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 08:55 PM
This is a great article about Tyson doing his job. #stillnotworth3rdpick

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/16/3765680/chiefs-jackson-links-his-production.html

Chiefs defensive end Tyson Jackson doesn’t have to look at the stats sheet or study the game tape to determine whether he had a productive game.

He watches how the linebackers behind him fared.

“If Derrick Johnson and Jovan Belcher had a real good game, I know nine times out of 10, I did a good job,” Jackson said of the Chiefs’ two inside linebackers.

“I’ve got to keep those guys free; I’ve got to let those guys run downhill to the ball. I know I’ve had a pretty good game if those guys are satisfied, and we won.”

A year ago, Johnson and Belcher had career seasons, were ranked 1-2 on the team in tackles, and Johnson earned his first Pro Bowl berth. So Jackson must have been doing something right.

But Jackson, the Chiefs’ first-round pick in 2009, is still trying to overcome the label of draft bust ever since his rookie season when general manager Scott Pioli made him the third overall pick in the draft.

To the casual fan, it doesn’t seem like Jackson even gets his uniform dirty. The only names they seem to hear are Johnson … Hali … Belcher … Houston …

“The glamorous part about playing defensive line is getting sacks,” said defensive line coach Anthony Pleasant. “And our defense is a linebacker defense.

“We’re just the grunt guys up front. Our job is to keep the linebackers free to make plays. It’s not a glorified position … if we stop the run, we give them a chance to rush the passer.”

In his three seasons, Jackson has but two sacks in 44 games, but he holds down the left side in the defense, which is critical because most teams are righthanded and direct their running game in that direction.

And according to Pro Football Focus, a website that tracks statistics, Jackson and right end Glenn Dorsey each accounted for more tackles than any 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL, including the Steelers, Ravens and Patriots, who are known for their 3-4 fronts. Jackson was credited with 38 stops on run plays, while Dorsey had 32.

“Tyson is a prototype defensive end you want on the left side,” said Pleasant, who spent most of his 14-year career playing end in that scheme. “He’s got the bulk, he moves well, he can transition from run to pass, so he’s the ideal player you want. A lot of runs go to the left side, so you want someone stout who can defend the run.”

Both Jackson and Dorsey played ends in a 4-3 system at LSU, so it’s taken a while for them to learn the intricacies of the 3-4. Dorsey was the fifth overall pick in 2008, the final year of the Herm Edwards regime, which ran the 4-3. But the Chiefs, in Pioli’s first draft, still took Jackson knowing that he and Dorsey would have to convert to new positions.

It may have taken longer than anticipated for Jackson to fulfill the Chiefs’ hopes, but they haven’t given up on him.

“When you’re picked that high, there’s so much expectation, and some of it is fair and some of it isn’t,” said Chiefs right tackle Eric Winston, who goes against Jackson every day in practice.

“Everybody figures it out at his own pace. Some guys come into this league, and the lucky ones have it figured out … I didn’t. It took me at least a half a year, probably a full year, to really figure out what this league was all about, and from what I heard, Tyson had a pretty good year last year, and you can see he’s building on that.”

When they drafted Jackson, Chiefs officials compared him to former Dallas Cowboys end Russell Maryland, who didn’t roll up a lot of sacks in the Cowboys’ 3-4 scheme but helped win three Super Bowl rings.

“Coming from a 4-3 defense, it’s totally different technique-wise,” Jackson said of his first three years with the Chiefs. “From the outside looking in, it looks like football, but it’s a different type of world …

“I’m starting to pick up things, starting to understand the defense, starting to understand my technique better. I’ve still got some ways to go, but I can see myself getting there.”

So do his teammates. Winston, in his first season with the Chiefs, has been impressed with Jackson’s work ethic.

“The thing I like is he’s working hard, but it’s never enough,” Winston said. “Even when he’s had a couple of good plays, it’s like, ‘Aw, I’ve got to make those faster, I’ve got to get there faster.’ He’s trying to improve his game, and that’s important.

“When you get in year four, year five, it’s easy to say, ‘Well, I’ve probably learned all I’m going to learn …’ He’s realizing there are always things to be learned, always advantages to be had, and that’s been impressive.”

It’s in Jackson’s best interest — as well as the Chiefs’ — for him to have a breakout season this year. During the offseason, Jackson agreed to restructure his contract. His base pay for 2012 dropped from $8 million to $4.25 million with $4 million guaranteed. In exchange, his salary would be $14.72 million in 2013 ($3.2 million guaranteed), so it’s likely that will be restructured again — or Jackson would be let go — depending on how he performs this year.

“I’ve just got to lay it on the line every play,” Jackson said. “Come out there like it’s the last play of my career, so I leave it all on the table and rely on what I’ve been taught over the last couple of years on how to play a 3-4 defense, and how to be strong inside, and how to control those offensive lineman …

“It’s up to us up front to hit those offensive lineman, and keep them flat on the line of scrimmage so the guys in the back can run around and make some plays.”

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:00 PM
What would Jackson have to do, stats wise, for you guys to say he's not a bust?

chiefzilla1501
08-16-2012, 09:02 PM
Is that kind of guy worth a #3 pick? No.

But he was arguably the third best pick in the top 10. And with his restructured contract, I think he's a very good deal for the Chiefs. The Chiefs could have done a whole lot worse.

Given the shiftiness of that draft, I think the Chiefs did very well with the Jackson pick. And I have a feeling he's only getting better as he begins to focus more on refining his pass rush.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 09:03 PM
What would Jackson have to do, stats wise, for you guys to say he's not a bust?

5+ sacks, 20+ hurries a year.

That's what JJ Watt did last season. Brett Keisel, too, to name another 3-4 team.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:05 PM
Is it me or do we not play quite the attacking style that the Steelers do up front?



I wish we would.



I would think that would be a pretty good barometer. If he gets 4 or 5 sacks I'd be ecstatic.

chiefzilla1501
08-16-2012, 09:08 PM
5+ sacks, 20+ hurries a year.

That's what JJ Watt did last season. Brett Keisel, too, to name another 3-4 team.

Can't really compare Pittsburgh to KC, as Pittsburgh plays a zone blitz whereas the Chiefs play a 2-gap. Not to say that a pass rush presence isn't nice in a 2-gap, ala Richard Seymour, but it's not the primary responsibility. Jackson is a lot more responsible for freeing opportunities for other guys than a 3-4 DE who plays 1-gap or zone blitz. Ty Warren was never a great pass rusher, but he was a very good lineman for New England.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 09:14 PM
Can't really compare Pittsburgh to KC, as Pittsburgh plays a zone blitz whereas the Chiefs play a 2-gap. Not to say that a pass rush presence isn't nice in a 2-gap, ala Richard Seymour, but it's not the primary responsibility. Jackson is a lot more responsible for freeing opportunities for other guys than a 3-4 DE who plays 1-gap or zone blitz. Ty Warren was never a great pass rusher, but he was a very good lineman for New England.

Yeah, and all of this BS is completely destroyed when you go back to quotes about Tyson Jackson right after he was drafted.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-1/QA-with-Scott-Pioli--Todd-Haley-on-1st-Pick/D3ECE7BA-90CF-4199-A2EF-9980D758521B

Q: Does he come out of the game on passing downs?

TODD HALEY: “No, we look at Tyson as a three-down player and we actually think that he probably gains an advantage on third down if he moves inside and is over a guard. He’s got some pass rush skills, there is no doubt about it and that’s one of the things that excited the coaches about him. When you can take advantage of some match-ups inside it may really help him and us.”

PIOLI: “In a ¾ defense even though he’s playing defensive end and more outside in the regular (defense) in sub packages he has the skill set to move in and potentially to have a mismatch, not necessarily on the edge.”

Three years later Tyson Jackson NEVER plays on third down.

Because he's one of the worst fucking pass rushers in the league.

Munson
08-16-2012, 09:17 PM
He's a bust.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:17 PM
Maybe now that he's figuring things out, he gets the pass rush element down?

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 09:19 PM
Maybe now that he's figuring things out, he gets the pass rush element down?

I guess it's possible, but we drafted Allen Bailey and Dontari Poe to play in the nickel. Pretty specifically.

I'd be surprised if Tyson Jackson ever has 3 sacks in a season, let alone 5.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:21 PM
He's gonna have some chances to rush the passer in the base package and heavy stuff, so we will see. It would be nice for a 3 to 5 sack season from him.


One thing we haven't really talked about, was last year against Denver Tebows, we played some 4 man fronts and Dorsey really had a great game.


I'd like to see some situations where we get into that.

O.city
08-16-2012, 09:23 PM
BTW, good article Clay. Tried to rep you, but I've given you too much already.

qabbaan
08-16-2012, 09:29 PM
Jackson seems to have grown to the point where he is a serviceable player at his position in our scheme.

His job isn't to generate statistics, and his draft position is not relevant any longer. He has turned out to be a starter, he seems to be a relatively solid player. Not special, not flashy, but he is a good fit at a position where you can't just plug anyone in.

Better we overpaid for someone who can be a long term starter on a good defense than drafted a bust. It would have been nice to get him lower in the round, but as a player I don't have a problem with him at all. I think we should all stop loving to hate him and see him for what he is. A guy who is good enough to start on a good defense.

DA_T_84
08-16-2012, 09:57 PM
Cassel took a ton of heat of Jackson for the team's most hated player.

Count Zarth
08-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Better we overpaid for someone who can be a long term starter

http://i.imgur.com/MmY9A.jpg

DA_T_84
08-16-2012, 10:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/MmY9A.jpg

"Import dem hos!"

MagicHef
08-16-2012, 11:14 PM
And according to Pro Football Focus, a website that tracks statistics, Jackson and right end Glenn Dorsey each accounted for more tackles than any 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL, including the Steelers, Ravens and Patriots, who are known for their 3-4 fronts. Jackson was credited with 38 stops on run plays, while Dorsey had 32.

This paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's hard to keep track. Calais Campell had more tackles than either of them, JJ Watt and Justin Smith both had more tackles than Dorsey, and the Patriots and Ravens were not listed as 3-4 defenses by PFF last season, meaning none of their players would count as the 3-4 DEs he is trying to compare Jackson and Dorsey to.

If he meant stops rather than tackles, Campbell still had more than either Jackson or Dorsey.

If he meant total stops by two teammates, Campbell and Darnell Dockett had more than Jackson and Dorsey.

I can't figure out a way to read that paragraph without it being completely false.

O.city
08-16-2012, 11:16 PM
Maybe he compared them to the actual Pitt and Balt players?


Doubt it.

themanwithnoname
08-17-2012, 12:54 AM
This paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's hard to keep track. Calais Campell had more tackles than either of them, JJ Watt and Justin Smith both had more tackles than Dorsey, and the Patriots and Ravens were not listed as 3-4 defenses by PFF last season, meaning none of their players would count as the 3-4 DEs he is trying to compare Jackson and Dorsey to.

If he meant stops rather than tackles, Campbell still had more than either Jackson or Dorsey.

If he meant total stops by two teammates, Campbell and Darnell Dockett had more than Jackson and Dorsey.

I can't figure out a way to read that paragraph without it being completely false.

Based on run stops: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/09/2011-run-stop-percentage-3-4-defensive-ends/

But yeah the person that wrote the article didn't specify. Its typical KC media crap, and arguments beat to death a thousand times over.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 01:06 AM
Randy fucked that up, but his heart was in the right place.

Jackson was #1 in run stop percentage last year.

He's come a long way from being dead last.

Direckshun
08-17-2012, 01:37 AM
5+ sacks, 20+ hurries a year.

That's what JJ Watt did last season. Brett Keisel, too, to name another 3-4 team.

Those are both 1-gap 3-4s.

Do I need to bump that thread again, delineating the difference?

Direckshun
08-17-2012, 01:41 AM
I forget who said it in another thread, but Jackson is clearly not a bust.

The selection right before Jackson was Jason Smith, the #2 overall pick by the Rams who just lost his job to Barry Richardson.

That's a bust.

To label Jackson a bust is to stretch the meaning of the word so bizarrely that the word ceases to have any meaning.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 01:41 AM
Those are both 1-gap 3-4s.

Do I need to bump that thread again, delineating the difference?

No, you don't.

Do I need to link you to the post in this thread where Scott Pioli and Todd Haley tell us they think Tyson Jackson can be a pass rusher?

Direckshun
08-17-2012, 01:47 AM
No, you don't.

Do I need to link you to the post in this thread where Scott Pioli and Todd Haley tell us they think Tyson Jackson can be a pass rusher?

And it turns out they were wrong about that dimension of his game.

Your point?

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 01:55 AM
And it turns out they were wrong about that dimension of his game.

Your point?

My point is to ever say he was worth that pick, he needs to post numbers like JJ Watt.

He's a bust as a #3 pick.

Not a bust as a player. Solid player.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 06:38 AM
This paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's hard to keep track. Calais Campell had more tackles than either of them, JJ Watt and Justin Smith both had more tackles than Dorsey, and the Patriots and Ravens were not listed as 3-4 defenses by PFF last season, meaning none of their players would count as the 3-4 DEs he is trying to compare Jackson and Dorsey to.

If he meant stops rather than tackles, Campbell still had more than either Jackson or Dorsey.

If he meant total stops by two teammates, Campbell and Darnell Dockett had more than Jackson and Dorsey.

I can't figure out a way to read that paragraph without it being completely false.

Why does this make you so butthurt? Stick to sucking off marginal donkey talent.

RunKC
08-17-2012, 11:33 AM
Wow look at the top 10 and how all the hyped up players have sucked. It makes Jackson look like a lot better of a pick in hindsight.

OctoberFart
08-17-2012, 11:40 AM
No, you don't.

Do I need to link you to the post in this thread where Scott Pioli and Todd Haley tell us they think Tyson Jackson can be a pass rusher?

Yes

OctoberFart
08-17-2012, 11:45 AM
When they drafted Jackson, Chiefs officials compared him to former Dallas Cowboys end Russell Maryland, who didn’t roll up a lot of sacks in the Cowboys’ 3-4 scheme but helped win three Super Bowl rings.

That comment right there takes away any credibility from this hack writer. Dallas played the classic one gap attacking 4-3 defense. Jimmy Johnson was never a 3-4 guy or a 2 gap guy.

Ace Gunner
08-17-2012, 11:48 AM
If this article (and every other article that claims a DL doesn't rush the passer) is true, Dorsey & Jackson are pretty good. But alas, this is more sugar for fat folks.

Neither player is a bust, just one demensional so far. I expect Tyson Jackson to have sacks this season. Hell, I expect doughboy Dorsey to get at least one sack this year.

aturnis
08-17-2012, 03:56 PM
My point is to ever say he was worth that pick, he needs to post numbers like JJ Watt.

He's a bust as a #3 pick.

Not a bust as a player. Solid player.

You are beating it to death and for no reason. Going into that draft, we as fans knew our options were extremely limited. Replace Albert at LT, take Raji, a pass rusher we were all skeptical of, or the safe pick in Jackson. We also knew we would like to have traded down, but it wasn't an option.

Given how things turned out for the other guys, and that draft as a whole, we did damned good.

You act as though all #3 overalls are equal in value they are not. That year, there weren't 10 players deserving of a top 10 pick, we were screwed. Whereas this past drafts #3 was extremely valuable b/c of the talent available. Hell, in 2010, 5th round picks were worth the moon.

STOP BLABBING ABOUT IT! HE'S NOT A BUST! No matter how you slice it. It was a solid pick and amounted to more than most picks in that draft did in relationship to their draft position.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 03:58 PM
Refuse to admit it was a good pick when there were literally 10-15 other players who were better picks in the first round alone.

aturnis
08-17-2012, 04:03 PM
Refuse to admit it was a good pick when there were literally 10-15 other players who were better picks in the first round alone.

And every single team in the NFL and every member of their staffs blew every single draft pick they had before the 199th pick in the 2000 draft b/c Brady is the best player.

The 2000 NFL draft picks 1-198 = BUST!

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 04:05 PM
And every single team in the NFL and every member of their staffs blew every single draft pick they had before the 199th pick in the 2000 draft b/c Brady is the best player.

The 2000 NFL draft picks 1-198 = BUST!

Just talking about the first round. ROFL

Settle down. It's OK to admit he will never be worth that pick and there were several options that were better...quite obviously, even on draft day, I might add.

aturnis
08-17-2012, 04:06 PM
?Just talking about the first round. ROFL

Settle down. It's OK to admit he will never be worth that pick and there were several options that were better...quite obviously, even on draft day, I might add.

Such as?

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 04:10 PM
Brian Orakpo.

DTLB58
08-17-2012, 04:26 PM
Crennel was asked in a TC Presser this week to evaluate TJ to this point and he said, "Tyson Jackson is a good football player for our team. That's the most important thing I think. He has grown since I've been here. He understands the system. I've seen improvement in his technique and overall ability".
"I think he will have a good year this year, now him having a good year for me, might not be a good year for some other people. It's the same thing I said about Poe the other day, If you can do what I want you to do for THIS defense then you are doing okay. And if what you do helps this team win, then everyone will be happy.

He was then asked to define a good year and he said "He does what I ask him to do on a consistent and regular basis, and that's a good year".

Messier
08-17-2012, 04:38 PM
Brian Orakpo.

I'd rather have Orakpo or Raji, but that doesn't mean I'm disappointed in TJ, I think he's fine, and he's doing what he was drafted to do.

Almost every draft there are players that turn out to be really good to great after the Chiefs pick. In '05 the Chiefs could have drafted Aaron Rogers, I'm not unhappy they drafted DJ, it just happens.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 04:43 PM
In '05 the Chiefs could have drafted Aaron Rogers, I'm not unhappy they drafted DJ, it just happens.

Carl Peterson.

Scott Pioli.

It just happens!

Messier
08-17-2012, 04:50 PM
Carl Peterson.

Scott Pioli.

It just happens!

What are you saying?

Color Red
08-17-2012, 05:03 PM
I forget who said it in another thread, but Jackson is clearly not a bust.

The selection right before Jackson was Jason Smith, the #2 overall pick by the Rams who just lost his job to Barry Richardson.

That's a bust.

To label Jackson a bust is to stretch the meaning of the word so bizarrely that the word ceases to have any meaning.


The reality is, it's best to view draft picks in the context of the whole draft, because there can always be a draft pick who doesn't perform as high as his place in the draft. It is not a perfect science. Sometimes not taking certain players at certain picks in the draft is a risk that teams don't want to take, and competitively cannot afford to take. Hopefully there are lower draft picks who perform at higher levels and it balances out, when someone drafted higher goes "bust". But no one bitches about the Justin Houston draft that appears to be a steal.

Chiefs identify Poe as the size and physique of a certain kind of player ideal to play NT. As such a prospect, and one that is rare, they risked a first round pick for a player whose collegiate performance is what it is. Everyone knows Crennell must coach him up or Poe will not bring the performance warranted for a number eleven. But the risk taken was to obtain a kind of rare and so highly desireable role player that the team felt they could not afford to hope to draft in a later round. We'll see how it turns out.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 05:03 PM
What are you saying?

Making excuses for shitty GMs and saying "it just happens!" is some bullshit, son.

Messier
08-17-2012, 05:09 PM
Making excuses for shitty GMs and saying "it just happens!" is some bullshit, son.

I don't think either one was or is a shitty GM. Peterson became one, because he overstayed his welcome by about ten years.

So, DJ was a bad pick?

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 05:11 PM
DJ was a decent pick for sure.

But good GMs make genius moves like picking Rodgers, and average to shitty GMs JUST HAPPEN to draft linebackers.

Yay!

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 05:11 PM
Brian Orakpo.

Chiefs are REAAALLLY lacking at OLB

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 05:11 PM
Chiefs are REAAALLLY lacking at OLB

In 2009 we sure were.

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:12 PM
Now we aren't lacking at LDE or OLB, so why does it matter?

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 05:13 PM
Don't make me bring up Josh Freeman again.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 05:14 PM
Whooopppeeee. Just because we have Cassel doesn't mean we can't hope for something better than Mr. 4-12.

Messier
08-17-2012, 05:21 PM
DJ was a decent pick for sure.

But good GMs make genius moves like picking Rodgers, and average to shitty GMs JUST HAPPEN to draft linebackers.

Yay!


Did even the Packers know Rogers was going to turn into what he did? If they did, why not trade up to get him because they couldn't risk the best player in the draft would still be there when they picked? I mean they were the one team that knew an all pro was just sitting there? It wasn't genius. The draft is 80% luck. There are outright bad picks (Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf) but most of the time you draft a player and hope he figures out how to make the jump to the NFL. Why wasn't Brady drafted higher? Why wasn't Tony Romo drafted at all? No, it's not bad GMing when you don't get these players, it's bad GMing when you get nothing out of the draft. Pioli is getting good drafts so far.

I'll be kind and just say I think you're confused about how the draft works.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 05:22 PM
Did even the Packers know Rogers was going to turn into what he did? If they did, why not trade up to get him because they couldn't risk the best player in the draft would still be there when they picked? I mean they were the one team that knew an all pro was just sitting there? It wasn't genius. The draft is 80% luck. There are outright bad picks (Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf) but most of the time you draft a player and hope he figures out how to make the jump to the NFL. Why wasn't Brady drafted higher? Why wasn't Tony Romo drafted at all? No, it's not bad GMing when you don't get these players, it's bad GMing when you get nothing out of the draft. Pioli is getting good drafts so far.

I'll be kind and just say I think you're confused about how the draft works.

He fell into thier laps. It wasn't a stroke of genius by any means. Kind of like Pats almost drafting Tim Rattay over Brady.

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:24 PM
DJ, an all pro ILB, was a decent pick.



Cool.



Actually, I agree with Clay. Take the qb, build around him.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 05:26 PM
Did even the Packers know Rogers was going to turn into what he did?

No!

That's what makes it such a great pick.

Doofus.

Shitty GMs keep picking LBs and 5tecs, good GMs go get a fucking QB.

Now you can go and get your fucking shinebox.

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:28 PM
No!

That's what makes it such a great pick.

Doofus.

Shitty GMs keep picking LBs and 5tecs, good GMs go get a ****ing QB.

Now you can go and get your ****ing shinebox.

Then our GM is a good one, his first move was to go get a qb. I'm confused.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 05:29 PM
The draft is 80% luck.

Love this attitude.

Bill Polian, architect of three successful franchises, says hi!

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 05:30 PM
Your username should be blow.city for how much you suck clays cock
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O.city
08-17-2012, 05:30 PM
Love this attitude.

Bill Polian, architect of three successful franchises, says hi!

The guy who successfully drafted the safest qb pick to ever come out says hi, oh hello to him.

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:31 PM
Your username should be blow.city for how much you suck clays cock
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How so?

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:31 PM
Because I out troll him?

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 05:32 PM
Then our GM is a good one, his first move was to go get a qb. I'm confused.

Prefer to think of Casshole as a TE.

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:34 PM
Prefer to think of Casshole as a TE.

Ah.



He would increase our depth at that spot.



Actually, he probably wouldn't .

Ace Gunner
08-17-2012, 05:34 PM
I like Josh F, but this team was so void of talent, I would have done it mostly the way Pioli has done it -- sans the Cassel trade. Cassel was getting his clock cleaned regularly those first seasons as a Chief.

This team lost 8 QB's to injury during the 3 seasons prior, not a good QB environment.

But they are at least set up with some good OT's now, so I'm on the Landry Jones bandwagon.

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:35 PM
Eh, no to Landry Jones.



Tyler Wilson please. Or Geno Smith.

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 05:35 PM
Because I out troll him?

I shouldn't have limited it to just clay.

You are always slobbing someone's knob around here though.
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O.city
08-17-2012, 05:36 PM
I shouldn't have limited it to just clay.

You are always slobbing someone's knob around here though.
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Ok, sorry I guess.



How can I change in your keen eyes? Just be more of a jackass?

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 05:37 PM
Ok, sorry I guess.



How can I change in your keen eyes? Just be more of a jackass? just do you man. Just do you.
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O.city
08-17-2012, 05:39 PM
Curious, I thought I was refuting Clay, not slobbing but I digress.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 05:40 PM
Keep on keepin on O. You are a fine poster.

Ace Gunner
08-17-2012, 05:42 PM
Eh, no to Landry Jones.



Tyler Wilson please. Or Geno Smith.

Wilson will be gone long before the Chiefs are on the clock. I like Geno Smith.

O.city
08-17-2012, 05:45 PM
Well if things go as planned, or as hoped, we won't really need anything else. Go get Wilson if he is the guy you like the best and place him in the fire with this hopefully seasoned talented roster.

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 05:46 PM
Keep on keepin on O. You are a fine poster.

Alert: suck fest in this thread.
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Sorter
08-17-2012, 05:48 PM
But they are at least set up with some good OT's now, so I'm on the Landry Jones bandwagon.

Let me get this straight, you want to replace Matt Cassel with Matt Cassel 2.0?

http://e.asset.soup.io/asset/0425/9870_d547.gif

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 05:50 PM
Alert: suck fest in this thread.
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Did I mention that Jason Sauto guy? What a dick. :)

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 05:53 PM
Did I mention that Jason Sauto guy? What a dick. :)

Fuck yeah, you been peeking through my windows again huh?

I'll try to make sure it's covered from now on...
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JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 05:53 PM
But I always thought it was quite a nice one myself.
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Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 05:54 PM
Don't like suckfests? Stay out of the 3 word thread. Heh.

Messier
08-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Love this attitude.

Bill Polian, architect of three successful franchises, says hi!

Bill Polian is maybe the best GM of the last 30 years, he's been lucky and good and he's had stinker drafts too. Wow! he was there when the best QB of the past 20 years was sitting there at 1. If you don't really give Pioli credit for Berry, then don't give Polian credit for Manning because he fell in his lap. The Bills already had Kelly and Reed, it was impressive what he did with the panthers, but he did draft Rae Carruth too.



So I'll end with Shut up dillhole!

Messier
08-17-2012, 06:48 PM
No!

That's what makes it such a great pick.

Doofus.

Shitty GMs keep picking LBs and 5tecs, good GMs go get a ****ing QB.

Now you can go and get your ****ing shinebox.

Okay Nick Wright.

Keep telling it like it is.

aturnis
08-17-2012, 06:52 PM
Brian Orakpo.

Really? The consensus on this board and by most fans was that Orakpo had bust written all over him. #workoutwarriorsfor1000Alex

aturnis
08-17-2012, 07:07 PM
In 2009 we sure were.

Why are you and every other fan concerned about one year? You think Pioli's goal is to build a team that can have success one year? No, he's stated many times(and it's painfully obvious) that high goal is to build a strong consistent football team that can maintain success for a number of years.

Can't do that if all you think about is next year.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-17-2012, 07:09 PM
Why are you and every other fan concerned about one year? You think Pioli's goal is to build a team that can have success one year? No, he's stated many times(and it's painfully obvious) that high goal is to build a strong consistent football team that can maintain success for a number of years.

Can't do that if all you think about is next year.

Works for his Madden chise. Knocks every pick out of the park too.

aturnis
08-17-2012, 07:17 PM
Did I mention that Jason Sauto guy? What a dick. :)

So is it really Jason Sauto? Or is it Jason's Auto? Is he a mechanic? I dunno, but I wanna know.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 07:23 PM
Why are you and every other fan concerned about one year?

Tyson Jackson one year, Dontari Poo another.

Same BS in my mind.

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 07:25 PM
So is it really Jason Sauto? Or is it Jason's Auto? Is he a mechanic? I dunno, but I wanna know.

I'm actually of Asian dissent.

I'm 4'2" and weigh 87£.
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O.city
08-17-2012, 07:27 PM
[QUOTE=aturnis;8827161]Why are you and every other fan concerned about one year? ]/QUOTE]

Tyson Jackson one year, Dontari Poo another.

Same BS in my mind.

Games are won in the trenches CR.

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 07:31 PM
Games are won in the trenches CR.

ROFL

O.city
08-17-2012, 07:32 PM
ROFL

Why you think the Raiders continuously pushed our shit it?



Thats what we are gonna do this year.

aturnis
08-17-2012, 07:38 PM
I'm actually of Asian dissent.

I'm 4'2" and weigh 87£.
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aturnis
08-17-2012, 07:39 PM
Why you think the Raiders continuously pushed our shit it?



Thats what we are gonna do this year.

Damn! Lilja's still on Seymour...

Count Zarth
08-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Why you think the Raiders continuously pushed our shit it?

Thats what we are gonna do this year.

Because Cassel sucks.

When you lose the battle in the trenches, your shitty QB gets exposed.

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2012, 07:43 PM
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/yacope/.alt/240x240/NotSureIfSerious.jpg
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OctoberFart
08-18-2012, 12:58 AM
Just talking about the first round. ROFL

Settle down. It's OK to admit he will never be worth that pick and there were several options that were better...quite obviously, even on draft day, I might add.

Raji for one.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-18-2012, 01:00 AM
Impressive performance by the Faid. Surprised you popped in. Usually you guys (other than Reighters) go into hibernation after a Faider embarrasment.

OctoberFart
08-18-2012, 01:06 AM
Impressive performance by the Faid. Surprised you popped in. Usually you guys (other than Reighters) go into hibernation after a Faider embarrasment.

Preseason I don't get too high or low. We will be good on offense other than Palmer picks. DMAC is going to be a force. I'm expecting him to lead league in rushing provided his vagina doesn't get bruised.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-18-2012, 07:38 AM
Not seeing it so far. They've done nothing for me to change my opinion of them as a last place team in this division.