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Bambi
08-20-2012, 08:56 AM
What a joke. lol

Who is this guest?

"Tyson Jackson doesn't do anything. He's doing his job well."

Reerun_KC
08-20-2012, 09:04 AM
What a joke. lol

Who is this guest?

"Tyson Jackson doesn't do anything. He's doing his job well."

He is going to have a miserable year. Crennel said Jackson will have a great year if he does what Crennel wants. Which translates to failing to meet the uninformed expectations of the fanbase.

Therefore we will hear "bust", etc..

KC Tattoo
08-20-2012, 09:07 AM
Houston and Hali can get to the QB & T Jack and Dorsey have there roles to help shut down the run & allow Houston and Hali get to the QB. IMO that's what those guys are good for.

Ace Gunner
08-20-2012, 09:26 AM
Houston and Hali can get to the QB & T Jack and Dorsey have there roles to help shut down the run & allow Houston and Hali get to the QB. IMO that's what those guys are good for.

But that would mean this defense has a 5 man pass rush. Which is lame.

You guys need to come to terms with the players on this DL. They blow. Jackson is the better of them, has improved techniques, but he is underwhelming so far.

JFC they just got blown out by the fucking Rams. 14 points on this starting defense in a matter of minutes.

The Rams. The fucking Rams.

J Diddy
08-20-2012, 09:34 AM
But that would mean this defense has a 5 man pass rush. Which is lame.

You guys need to come to terms with the players on this DL. They blow. Jackson is the better of them, has improved techniques, but he is underwhelming so far.

JFC they just got blown out by the ****ing Rams. 14 points on this starting defense in a matter of minutes.

The Rams. The ****ing Rams.

This brings visions of Mora yelling "playoffs, you're talking about the playoffs."

IMO, Fisher needed something under his belt and threw alot more into this preseason game than we did. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also to pin 14 on the defense isn't really fair, Baldwins fumble put them right back on the field after getting shell shocked in bad field position.

KC Tattoo
08-20-2012, 09:35 AM
But that would mean this defense has a 5 man pass rush. Which is lame.

You guys need to come to terms with the players on this DL. They blow. Jackson is the better of them, has improved techniques, but he is underwhelming so far.

JFC they just got blown out by the ****ing Rams. 14 points on this starting defense in a matter of minutes.

The Rams. The ****ing Rams.

Oh I most agree. I want to see Tyson Jackson & Glenn Dorsey getting to the QB, lol, but that's not what they are good at. As in what I said in my first post. That is sad but true. We do need to get sack production out of them & increase our disruption in the backfield with those guys for our D to become great D.

Rausch
08-20-2012, 09:36 AM
This brings visions of Mora yelling "playoffs, you're talking about the playoffs."

IMO, Fisher needed something under his belt and threw alot more into this preseason game than we did. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also to pin 14 on the defense isn't really fair, Baldwins fumble put them right back on the field after getting shell shocked in bad field position.

Context is for pu$$ies...

J Diddy
08-20-2012, 09:45 AM
Context is for pu$$ies...

True.

lcarus
08-20-2012, 09:54 AM
But that would mean this defense has a 5 man pass rush. Which is lame.

You guys need to come to terms with the players on this DL. They blow. Jackson is the better of them, has improved techniques, but he is underwhelming so far.

JFC they just got blown out by the fucking Rams. 14 points on this starting defense in a matter of minutes.

The Rams. The fucking Rams.

But this would mean.....gulp....we're gonna need to draft more defensive linemen soon. :mad:

Ace Gunner
08-20-2012, 09:55 AM
Oh I most agree. I want to see Tyson Jackson & Glenn Dorsey getting to the QB, lol, but that's not what they are good at. As in what I said in my first post. That is sad but true. We do need to get sack production out of them & increase our disruption in the backfield with those guys for our D to become great D.

Holy hell -- a poster on this board with thick skin and enough sense to consider another POV:D

L.A. Chieffan
08-20-2012, 10:00 AM
Jackson is in the top five of all 5 tech DTs drafted in the top 3 in the last five years. Haters can suck it.

Ace Gunner
08-20-2012, 10:06 AM
But this would mean.....gulp....we're gonna need to draft more defensive linemen soon. :mad:

Perhaps, but this team is new and it will take years to develop at key positions like the DL. They need a guy that can plug lanes and can move faster than most QB's to play that RDE position, that is going to be the game changer for this defense.

They might have their guy in Poe. I know he will eventually slide into the NT position, but they desperately need production from that RDE position or teams are going to continue to sit back and pick this defense apart.

With just that one guy there, now the pass rush can be either a base 3 rush or a blitz using ROLB Hali for stunts and twists with the RDE.

The other two positions on the DL are critical in pressure, but not as critical as the blindside RDE position. That is where you get your action from, is that RDE position. You get a guy in there that can be disruptive on his own from that RDE position and this defense suddenly becomes nasty to handle.

Demonpenz
08-20-2012, 10:09 AM
One more year of professional weight room training for Jackson. I still have some hope for him.

Bambi
08-20-2012, 10:14 AM
Hali suspended. lol

Deberg_1990
08-20-2012, 10:16 AM
What a joke. lol

Who is this guest?

"Tyson Jackson doesn't do anything. He's doing his job well."


Says Jackson was absolutely the right pick. Has potential to play 12-15 year starter......
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DA_T_84
08-20-2012, 10:18 AM
Hali suspended. lol

for what??

TEX
08-20-2012, 10:26 AM
Jackson is in the top five of all 5 tech DTs drafted in the top 3 in the last five years. Haters can suck it.

Don't you want your # 3 overall to dominate?

KC Tattoo
08-20-2012, 10:38 AM
Holy hell -- a poster on this board with thick skin and enough sense to consider another POV:D

Well thanks man, it can be rough around here. I try to keep an open mind of posibilities that may work out for this team be better than what it is other than just how I want it to be. Not easy changing minds or open up if an opinion is what it is.


Anyways I'm more disapoint in Glenn Dorsey & he isn't being talked about much. Wasn't he suppose to be our NTotf? Now he is a DE, we like to move guys from where they were intended to be from the beginning.


Hell I'd like them to go back to a 4-3 base defense & add Powe to the line would make as much sense to me anyways. That's just adding more power to the line & still have Hali come off the edge. DJ in the middle and Houston on the left. EB can rome & do what ever as a LBsaftey mutant breed.
Now I'm and idiot for suggesting this.

htismaqe
08-20-2012, 10:43 AM
The "guest" was former K-State offensive lineman Nick Leckey.

Ace Gunner
08-20-2012, 12:19 PM
Well thanks man, it can be rough around here. I try to keep an open mind of posibilities that may work out for this team be better than what it is other than just how I want it to be. Not easy changing minds or open up if an opinion is what it is.


Anyways I'm more disapoint in Glenn Dorsey & he isn't being talked about much. Wasn't he suppose to be our NTotf? Now he is a DE, we like to move guys from where they were intended to be from the beginning.


Hell I'd like them to go back to a 4-3 base defense & add Powe to the line would make as much sense to me anyways. That's just adding more power to the line & still have Hali come off the edge. DJ in the middle and Houston on the left. EB can rome & do what ever as a LBsaftey mutant breed.
Now I'm and idiot for suggesting this.

The problem with running 43 defense is the Chiefs don't have a guy that can actually play 43RDE with the ability to get after the QB. Tamba could not do it after Jared Allen was traded. Frankly, Tamba is a limited player that has done remarkably well with his ability. But, nobody on this roster can handle that position, so you'll see them line up 43 in short yardage and goal line etc, but 34 everywhere else just like the last few seasons.

What you are going to see more of is the 2/4/5 and 2/3/6 dime defense because there's no ****ing sense in trotting out 3 ****ing losers on the DL if they can't ****ing get up field.

KC Tattoo
08-20-2012, 12:41 PM
The problem with running 43 defense is the Chiefs don't have a guy that can actually play 43RDE with the ability to get after the QB. Tamba could not do it after Jared Allen was traded. Frankly, Tamba is a limited player that has done remarkably well with his ability. But, nobody on this roster can handle that position, so you'll see them line up 43 in short yardage and goal line etc, but 34 everywhere else just like the last few seasons.

What you are going to see more of is the 2/4/5 and 2/3/6 dime defense because there's no ****ing sense in trotting out 3 ****ing losers on the DL if they can't ****ing get up field.

Well, I wouldn't think it would change much for Hali (provided he gets his shit together) from comming off the edge like he does? I think also that Poe is going struggle for a while at least at the nose & we can bulk up the middle by adding Powe next to him. Dorsey at the end and he better get to the QB with Poe & Powe collapsing the middle. I don't know? Just putting that out there but I also agree with what your saying it's about personel & attributes.

L.A. Chieffan
08-20-2012, 12:42 PM
Don't you want your # 3 overall to dominate?

suck it hater.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-20-2012, 12:49 PM
Don't you want your # 3 overall to dominate?

That was a crappy draft class. Everyone wants their top 3 to dominate but the truth is people are unrealistic about draft picks. Look at Jason Smith, the OT from Baylor who was taken right before Jackson. He has been beaten out by Barry Richardson this year.

Rausch
08-20-2012, 01:01 PM
That was a crappy draft class. Everyone wants their top 3 to dominate but the truth is people are unrealistic about draft picks. Look at Jason Smith, the OT from Baylor who was taken right before Jackson. He has been beaten out by Barry Richardson this year.

Drafting a 3-4 DE in the top 5 is like drafing a punter in the 1st round.

It's fucking stupid no matter how good they are.

It's just fucking stupid. Always will be...

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-20-2012, 01:09 PM
Hali suspended. lol

Why the hell is that funny?

Ace Gunner
08-20-2012, 01:14 PM
Well, I wouldn't think it would change much for Hali (provided he gets his shit together) from comming off the edge like he does? I think also that Poe is going struggle for a while at least at the nose & we can bulk up the middle by adding Powe next to him. Dorsey at the end and he better get to the QB with Poe & Powe collapsing the middle. I don't know? Just putting that out there but I also agree with what your saying it's about personel & attributes.

Tamba plays a different position as a ROLB compared to when he was 43RDE. It's a different spot he lines up and a different technique to learn. As an ROLB he is a 7 technique player lining up far outside the LT and when he was playing 43RDE he was playing 5 technique, lining up just off the LT's outside shoulder.

If Romeo gets to the end of his rope with these guys, you'll see Gordon, Poe & Powe, Ropiati and anyone with a pulse lining up at that 34RDE position. Now that they've lost their premier pass rusher, I'm pretty sure Romeo is going to shake this thing by the tail and see if there's any bite. Sheffield is supposed to be Hali's back up, but he's been injured.