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ChiefsandO'sfan
08-22-2012, 06:25 PM
Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt

Moved trade deadline, new IR rules go the same way as HGH testing. No NFLPA consent, no deal. Discord continues.



Squabbling between NFL, NFLPA shelves rules changes
Posted by Darin Gantt on August 22, 2012, 7:17 PM EDT
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In May, the league approved pushing the trade deadline back two weeks, and creating a new category of injured reserve that would allow one player per team to come back midseason.

But those proposals won’t go into effect this season, and the reason is familiar — disagreements between the NFL and the NFLPA.

According to Alex Marvez of FoxSports.com, a source said “the NFLPA unsuccessfully tried to get concessions from the NFL related to other negotiations in exchange for accepting the new trade and IR rules.”

“There was no agreement on it with the union,” league spokesman Greg Aiello told Marvez. “The old rules apply.”

The league had sent out a memo two weeks ago telling teams the plan had yet to be approved by the NFLPA.

A separate source told Marvez the league tied the changes to an effort to amend in-season practice rules, which the NFLPA balked at.

“The changes would have meant one step forward and one step back,” NFL executive George Atallah told Marvez.

It’s good to know with last year’s CBA that there are nine more years of labor peace. Because it hasn’t seemed very peaceful yet.

BossChief
08-22-2012, 06:30 PM
The owners and the league in general better learn that they will need the players consent to make changes.

I think its bullshit that they are trying to implement changes without both sides agreeing on anything.

Its a dick more.

"Fuck em, lets just do it and see what happens"

vailpass
08-22-2012, 06:35 PM
Unions are made to be broken.

BossChief
08-22-2012, 06:36 PM
Unions are made to be broken.

If that were to happen,it would completely destroy the sport and make it like baseball.

jspchief
08-22-2012, 06:38 PM
The league wasn't trying to slip anything by. Hell, the later trade deadline is a player friendly change. It's just that the union won't agree to anything the league asks for without trying to get something in return, regardless of whether its good for players or not.

vailpass
08-22-2012, 06:38 PM
If that were to happen,it would completely destroy the sport and make it like baseball.

Not advocating it unless it becomes necessary; pointing out that the Union isn't the Owners.

Mr. Laz
08-22-2012, 07:05 PM
If that were to happen,it would completely destroy the sport and make it like baseball.
bullshit,bullshit,bullshit

Baseball is like it is BECAUSE the MLBPA *cough*donald*fehr*cough got too strong and ****ed stuff up.

(not that the stupid owners helped anything)


you have it completely backassward

Mr. Laz
08-22-2012, 07:07 PM
The owners and the league in general better learn that they will need the players consent to make changes.

I think its bullshit that they are trying to implement changes without both sides agreeing on anything.

Its a dick more.

"**** em, lets just do it and see what happens"
WRONG

the NFL and the PA basically agreed on this stuff already and now the PA is backing out because they wanted to squeeze extra benefit to agree to it.

Nightfyre
08-22-2012, 07:09 PM
Why wouldn't the players agree to this? It seems like it would be of benefit to them.

vailpass
08-22-2012, 07:10 PM
The league wasn't trying to slip anything by. Hell, the later trade deadline is a player friendly change. It's just that the union won't agree to anything the league asks for without trying to get something in return, regardless of whether its good for players or not.

This.

Guru
08-22-2012, 07:11 PM
WRONG

the NFL and the PA basically agreed on this stuff already and now the PA is backing out because they wanted to squeeze extra benefit to agree to it.

THIS

Mr. Laz
08-22-2012, 07:13 PM
Why wouldn't the players agree to this? It seems like it would be of benefit to them.
they already did agree to it
they do want it

They decided to not 'agree to anything for free' and after the CBA they started wanting concessions from the league to agree to the changes.

strictly negotiating bullshit

vailpass
08-22-2012, 07:14 PM
they already did agree to it
they do want it

They decided to not 'agree to anything for free' and after the CBA they started wanting concessions from the league to agree to the changes.

strictly negotiating bullshit

too much of this kind of shit is one reason employers decide to go through the expense of breaking a union.

Mr. Laz
08-22-2012, 07:16 PM
NFL, union clash on trade deadline, IR

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UPDATED AUG 22, 2012 7:15 PM ET

Two major changes approved by NFL owners won’t be going into effect this season because of ongoing squabbling between the league and NFL Players Association.

The league voted in May to push the in-season trade deadline from Week 6 to Week 8 in hopes of giving teams more flexibility to make personnel moves. Clubs also would have been allowed to bring back one player who entered the regular season on injured reserve at some point during the year.

However, both changes required approval of the NFLPA according to rules of the collective bargaining agreement. That didn’t happen, according to NFL spokesman Greg Aiello.

“There was no agreement on it with the union,” Aiello told FOXSports.com in an email. “The old rules apply.”

A source told FOXSports.com the league office has sent notification to NFL executives that the rules proposals weren’t approved. The source also said the NFLPA unsuccessfully tried to get concessions from the NFL related to other negotiations in exchange for accepting the new trade and IR rules.

Another source told FOXSports.com that the proposed NFL rules changes were tied to a league proposal trying to amend in-season rules for practices. The NFLPA wasn’t going to accept the changes under those terms, the source said.

“The changes would have meant one step forward and one step back,” NFL executive George Atallah told FOXSports.com in an email.

The NFL’s 2012 trade deadline is Oct. 16, the day after Week 6 ends. Players placed on injured reserve cannot return to that team during the 2012 season.

The failure to strike agreement on the trade and IR amendments are two more examples of the dysfunctional relationship between the players union and NFL. Even though a 10-year CBA was agreed upon in July 2011 after a four-month player lockout, the two sides continue to lock horns on a variety of football issues. They also remain engaged in litigation on matters such as the suspension of New Orleans linebacker Jon Vilma for his alleged role in the Saints’ bounty scandal.

Testing for human growth hormone is another area where little progress has occurred since the CBA was finalized. The NFL and NFLPA had agreed that a protocol would be adapted. Instead, the NFL is set to enter a second season without one as both sides continue to haggle about HGH testing details.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-trade-deadline-players-union-disagree-week-6-remains-082212

Marcellus
08-22-2012, 07:27 PM
The owners and the league in general better learn that they will need the players consent to make changes.

I think its bullshit that they are trying to implement changes without both sides agreeing on anything.

Its a dick more.

"**** em, lets just do it and see what happens"

If that were to happen,it would completely destroy the sport and make it like baseball.

Stanzi's play Saturday must have you completely fucked up because both of these post are total fail.

Nobody tried to slip anything past anyone and baseball is not broken and MLB players have a union.

BossChief
08-22-2012, 09:59 PM
:fear:

BossChief
08-22-2012, 10:03 PM
Seriously though.

Baseball and Basketball are fucked up because big market teams are the only ones with a consistent shot at winning it all...there is very very little competitive balance in either sport.

I have no idea what that has to do with those crappy posts of mine earlier...but yeah.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.