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08-23-2012, 01:35 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/22/3773338/chiefs-crennel-bowe-will-play.html

Dwayne Bowe to play Friday against Seahawks
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Three days of practice were all that wide receiver Dwayne Bowe needed to get ready to play in a game. Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said that Bowe would get some snaps in Friday night’s preseason game against Seattle at Arrowhead Stadium.

“Coach said I’m ready from what they’ve been looking at, and I’m going to play until they tell me not to,’’ Bowe said.

That point may come early in Friday’s game.

“I will play him some, just give him a couple of plays here and there, but I don’t think he’s ready to play a whole game or anything like that,’’ Crennel said.

Still, it’s a speedy turnaround for Bowe, who signed with the Chiefs only last Friday. As the unsigned franchise player, Bowe missed all the offseason practice and all of training camp in St. Joseph.

Judging from his comments, Bowe should be in midseason form. Asked what he wanted out of Friday’s game, Bowe said, “To continue where I left off: Being dominant, catching the ball, finishing, blocking downfield and helping this team win.’’

Lewis returns to practice

Injured safety Kendrick Lewis returned to practice, though just as an observer. Lewis stood on the sideline mostly chatting with other defensive backs, and his arm was no longer in a sling as it was in the locker room after Saturday night’s game in St. Louis.

Injured players usually don’t come to practice if they will be out of action for a long period of time, so Lewis’ attendance at practice could be taken as a positive sign.

Lewis injured his shoulder against the Rams. He injured the same shoulder in the final regular-season game last year and had surgery that kept him from participating in offseason practice.

Quinn or Stanzi as No. 2 QB?

Crennel wouldn’t say whether Brady Quinn or Ricky Stanzi would be the first quarterback off the bench in replacing Matt Cassel against the Seahawks.

“I’m not sure yet,’’ Crennel said. “We’ll have to see. We’re talking about that. We’ll wait until game time to figure that one out.”

The two seemed to separate themselves in the game against the Rams. Stanzi was sacked four times, threw an interception and lost a fumble, while Quinn completed five of his six passes for 70 yards and a 38-yard touchdown to Jeremy Horne.

“They both have been close,’’ Crennel said. “We wanted to see what the competition was. The circumstance for both of them has been just a little different in the games with who they’ve been with and things like that. I’m not ready to say one or the other right now. After this last game, I said I’d go through this week and then see what it looked like. We’ll be through this week here pretty soon and then we’ll be at the game and then maybe we’ll know.’’

Shaun Smith is available

Defensive lineman Shaun Smith, who became a fan favorite during the 2010 season with the Chiefs, became a free agent when he was released by the Tennessee Titans. Smith not only played for Crennel while he was defensive coordinator with the Chiefs but also in Cleveland while Crennel was head coach.

“Shaun is my man,’’ Crennel said. “Shaun would love to be here, I’m sure. But we’ve got some guys on the team right now (and) they’ve worked pretty (hard) and we feel decent about them, and then we’ll have to kind of look at it and see. I have not talked to Shaun yet, but Shaun might give me a call here shortly.’’

Micjones
08-23-2012, 09:01 AM
Just say "no" to Shaun Smith.
Having him back means a young guy gets cut. Likely Powe.
No thanks.

CoMoChief
08-23-2012, 09:04 AM
Just say "no" to Shaun Smith.
Having him back means a young guy gets cut. Likely Powe.
No thanks.

Shaun Smith can play both, end and nose

KC Tattoo
08-23-2012, 09:07 AM
Is that the same Shaun Smith that likes grabbing balls? Not just going after the football.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 09:15 AM
Shaun Smith can play both, end and nose

Doesn't make his comment any less valid. Shawn Smith isn't an upgrade over any of the vets up front and there's no reason to shed younger players with upside for a guy like this. We already have Amon Gordon.

CoMoChief
08-23-2012, 09:19 AM
Doesn't make his comment any less valid. Shawn Smith isn't an upgrade over any of the vets up front and there's no reason to shed younger players with upside for a guy like this. We already have Amon Gordon.

Gordon sucks. Smith is much better.

KC Tattoo
08-23-2012, 09:22 AM
Gordon sucks. Smith is much better.

He doesn't have the upside that Powe has & I'd rather not give up on a guy like that.

CoMoChief
08-23-2012, 09:30 AM
He doesn't have the upside that Powe has & I'd rather not give up on a guy like that.

Smith could back up Jackson

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 09:33 AM
Gordon sucks. Smith is much better.

They're the same frickin guy. Average at best.

Micjones
08-23-2012, 09:51 AM
Shaun Smith can play both, end and nose

So can Gordon.

BoneKrusher
08-23-2012, 09:51 AM
the defense had a Nasty edge when Shaun was here.
i'd like to see him become a Chief again.

Micjones
08-23-2012, 09:53 AM
the defense had a Nasty edge when Shaun was here.
i'd like to see him become a Chief again.

I'll give you that. That guy was fiery and hard-nosed.

CoMoChief
08-23-2012, 09:56 AM
So can Gordon.

Gordon sucks

Chiefnj2
08-23-2012, 09:57 AM
IMO Gordon v. Smith is a tossup. I'd rather KC wait until cuts to see if there are any LBs, S or OL available.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 10:31 AM
I'm a Quinn fan and I think he'll be the #2 QB during the season....but I'd rather see what Stanzi can do with the #2 offense again.

Micjones
08-23-2012, 10:33 AM
I'm a Quinn fan and I think he'll be the #2 QB during the season....but I'd rather see what Stanzi can do with the #2 offense again.

Gotta think they'll each get a half in the Packer game.
I wonder who'll get to play with the better unit though?

Either way, he'll still have a chance to impress the coaches with two full quarters of football to play.

jd1020
08-23-2012, 10:37 AM
Gotta think they'll each get a half in the Packer game.
I wonder who'll get to play with the better unit though?

Either way, he'll still have a chance to impress the coaches with two full quarters of football to play.

Think it would have to be Quinn if they were going to rest Cassel for the entire game. I don't think they will though, since they are working with a new playbook.

Micjones
08-23-2012, 10:49 AM
Think it would have to be Quinn if they were going to rest Cassel for the entire game. I don't think they will though, since they are working with a new playbook.

Even if Cassel plays I can't imagine he'll play more than 1 or 2 series.
So they'll still split probably 3.5 quarters.

jd1020
08-23-2012, 10:53 AM
Even if Cassel plays I can't imagine he'll play more than 1 or 2 series.
So they'll still split probably 3.5 quarters.

Tanney is gonna play the entire 2nd half in Stanzi's jersey.

Micjones
08-23-2012, 10:57 AM
Tanney is gonna play the entire 2nd half in Stanzi's jersey.

Shit I forgot he was still on the team.
Doesn't seem like he's played much at all this preseason.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 12:18 PM
Just say "no" to Shaun Smith.
Having him back means a young guy gets cut. Likely Powe.
No thanks.
not really ... Smith was used more as a DE than a NT before for us.


It would probably mean that Amon Gordon would get cut.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-23-2012, 12:20 PM
the defense had a Nasty edge when Shaun was here.
i'd like to see him become a Chief again.

I agree and it was missing last year without him.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 12:23 PM
I agree and it was missing last year without him.

And which one of our defensive linemen are you cutting to make room for him?

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 12:26 PM
Smith is 31
Gordon is 30

Smith is 30lbs heavier and has been more productive in his career. He has also been more of a problem in his career. :shrug:

doesn't really matter

Frosty
08-23-2012, 12:30 PM
A couple of years ago, the roster was being rebuilt and had no depth, so a journeyman like Smith was an upgrade. Now he's two years older, with a failed stint on a different team. I don't really think he would be an upgrade to some of the young guys at this point.

Also, they normally only keep two NTs so I think Poe might take the place of the DE/NT swing player that Smith was.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 12:36 PM
A couple of years ago, the roster was being rebuilt and had no depth, so a journeyman like Smith was an upgrade. Now he's two years older, with a failed stint on a different team. I don't really think he would be an upgrade to some of the young guys at this point.

Also, they normally only keep two NTs so I think Poe might take the place of the DE/NT swing player that Smith was.
depends on how many guys they are keeping


If it's Poe/Powe vs Smith ... then i think you keep the young guys.


If it's Gordon vs Smith then whomever Crennel prefers, don't really care.

it's whether coach thinks he can keep Smith on the right path.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 12:41 PM
depends on how many guys they are keeping


If it's Poe/Powe vs Smith ... then i think you keep the young guys.


If it's Gordon vs Smith then whomever Crennel prefers, don't really care.

it's whether coach thinks he can keep Smith on the right path.

I don't even think Gordon has a spot on this roster.

DEs - Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Pitoitua, Bair
NTs - Toribio, Powe, Poe

Micjones
08-23-2012, 12:46 PM
I don't even think Gordon has a spot on this roster.

DEs - Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Pitoitua, Bair
NTs - Toribio, Powe, Poe

They aren't going to carry 7.

Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Bailey and Poe are locks.
The 6th spot will go to either Powe, Pitoitua or Gordon.

I hope the last spot goes to Powe. We don't know what he can be yet.
Pitoitua and Gordon have been around the league for a while.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 12:50 PM
They aren't going to carry 7.

Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Bailey and Poe are locks.
The 6th spot will go to either Powe, Pitoitua or Gordon.

I hope the last spot goes to Powe. We don't know what he can be yet.
Pitoitua and Gordon have been around the league for a while.

That was 8.....and I honestly think they'll keep 7.

Probably Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Bailey, Pitoitua, Powe and Poe.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 12:52 PM
I agree and it was missing last year without him.

Yeah, I'm sure it didn't have anything to do with losing Eric Berry for the season or anything...

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 12:53 PM
IMO Gordon v. Smith is a tossup. I'd rather KC wait until cuts to see if there are any LBs, S or OL available.

Egg-freakin-zackly.

mcaj22
08-23-2012, 01:13 PM
They aren't going to carry 7.

Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Bailey and Poe are locks.
The 6th spot will go to either Powe, Pitoitua or Gordon.

I hope the last spot goes to Powe. We don't know what he can be yet.
Pitoitua and Gordon have been around the league for a while.

they kept 8 on last years team so why wouldnt Romeo do the same this year?

last years was

Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Gilberry, Gordon, Bair, Powe and Gregg

Micjones
08-23-2012, 01:24 PM
they kept 8 on last years team so why wouldnt Romeo do the same this year?

last years was

Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Gilberry, Gordon, Bair, Powe and Gregg

Because of how banged up the secondary has been.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 01:36 PM
they kept 8 on last years team so why wouldnt Romeo do the same this year?

last years was

Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Gilberry, Gordon, Bair, Powe and Gregg
because safety and corner are a bigger need

How can you rely on a safety with a bump shoulder?

Now i realize that Lewis is such a shitty tackler that he may never hit that shoulder again, but still.

our starting safety can't cover,can't tackle and has a bum shoulder.

I would think that adding a FS would be something they are looking at during cuts.

same for cornerback ... if they were planning on Reeves doing something this year then they might want to look for another guy.

Chiefnj2
08-23-2012, 01:44 PM
They are in desperate need for a safety, backup OL and LB.

Other than Allen to plug in at the guard position if something happens to either T or C, KC is screwed royally.

Jayrodt
08-23-2012, 01:57 PM
You guys are looking at this completely wrong. Smith isn't a backup DE. He's a backup DE, a backup NT, and possibly our starting fullback.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 01:58 PM
You guys are looking at this completely wrong. Smith isn't a backup DE. He's a backup DE, a backup NT, and possibly our starting fullback.

Ok...so out of the following players....who are you cutting to make room for him?

Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Bailey, Pitoitua, Powe and Poe.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 01:59 PM
Ok...so out of the following players....who are you cutting to make room for him?

Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Bailey, Pitoitua, Powe and Poe.

And keep in mind, you need to cut TWO of the above. The inference by saying that he's a "backup DE and a backup NT" both is that he can replace TWO players, not one.

Chiefnj2
08-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Ok...so out of the following players....who are you cutting to make room for him?

Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Bailey, Pitoitua, Powe and Poe.

You could cut Pitoitua. They won't because of draft position, but so far Bailey hasn't overly impressed.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 02:03 PM
And keep in mind, you need to cut TWO of the above. The inference by saying that he's a "backup DE and a backup NT" both is that he can replace TWO players, not one.
not really ... it's saying that he can be a backup at EITHER position, not necessarily both.

although after looking at the numbers i think it's more likely that we go with an extra secondary guy instead.

Maybe after the season starts and our secondary gets healthy we can switch to Smith. Then he wouldn't be guaranteed a full year's salary either. Totally depends on the situation in the secondary though.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 02:05 PM
You could cut Pitoitua. They won't because of draft position, but so far Bailey hasn't overly impressed.

I would rather have Pitoitua on this team over Smith.

saphojunkie
08-23-2012, 02:05 PM
Because of how banged up the secondary has been.

It goes further than that. The decision to keep a fullback, or an 8th offensive lineman. or three tight ends.

All of these factor in.

QB
1. CASSEL
2. QUINN
3. STANZI

RB
4. CHARLES
5. HILLIS
6. DRAUGHN
7. GRAY

WR
8. BOWE
9. BALDWIN
10. BREASTON
11. MCCLUSTER
12. WYLIE
13. COPPER
14. HORNE

TE
15. MOEAKI
16. BOSS
17. MANERI
18. OCONNEL

OL
19. ALBERT
20. LILJA
21. HUDSON
22. ASAMOAH
23. HARRIS
24. WINSTON
25. ALLEN
26. STEPHENSON

DL
27. DORSEY
28. JACKSON
29. TORIBIO
30. POE
31. BAILEY
32. POWE
33. PITOITUA
34. BAIR/SMITH/GORDON

LB
35. HALI
36. BELCHER
37. JOHNSON
38. HOUSTON
39. SILER
40. SHEFFIELD
41. STUDEBAKER
42. GREENWOOD

DB
43. FLOWERS
44. BERRY
45. LEWIS
46. ROUTT
47. ELAM
48. MENZIE
49. ARENAS
50. BROWN
51. DANIELS

P
52. COLQUITT

K
53. SUCCOP

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 02:09 PM
It goes further than that. The decision to keep a fullback, or an 8th offensive lineman. or three tight ends.

All of these factor in.

QB
CASSEL
QUINN
STANZI

RB
CHARLES
HILLIS
DRAUGHN
GRAY

WR
BOWE
BALDWIN
BREASTON
MCCLUSTER
WYLIE
COPPER

TE
MOEAKI
BOSS
MANERI


OL
ALBERT
LILJA
HUDSON
ASAMOAH
HARRIS
WINSTON
ALLEN
STEPHENSON


DL
DORSEY
JACKSON
TORIBIO
POE
BAILEY
POWE
PITOITUA
BAIR

LB
HALI
BELCHER
JOHNSON
HOUSTON
SILER
SHEFFIELD
STUDEBAKER
GREENWOOD

DB
FLOWERS
BERRY
LEWIS
ROUTT
ELAM
MENZIE
ARENAS
BROWN
DANIELS

P
COLQUITT

K
SUCCOP

LS
GAFFORD

Fixed. I removed Horne and O'Connell. That gives you one open spot that you can add another Offensive Lineman or another defensive back.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 02:10 PM
It goes further than that. The decision to keep a fullback, or an 8th offensive lineman. or three tight ends.

i fully expect us to keep 3 tightends

don't see a fullback worth keeping though

fullback needs to be able to read the open hole AND be athletic enough make the block

we don't have one of those

Micjones
08-23-2012, 02:14 PM
It goes further than that. The decision to keep a fullback, or an 8th offensive lineman. or three tight ends.

All of these factor in.

QB
1. CASSEL
2. QUINN
3. STANZI

RB
4. CHARLES
5. HILLIS
6. DRAUGHN
7. GRAY

WR
8. BOWE
9. BALDWIN
10. BREASTON
11. MCCLUSTER
12. WYLIE
13. COPPER
14. HORNE

TE
15. MOEAKI
16. BOSS
17. MANERI
18. OCONNEL

OL
19. ALBERT
20. LILJA
21. HUDSON
22. ASAMOAH
23. HARRIS
24. WINSTON
25. ALLEN
26. STEPHENSON

DL
27. DORSEY
28. JACKSON
29. TORIBIO
30. POE
31. BAILEY
32. POWE
33. PITOITUA
34. BAIR/SMITH/GORDON

LB
35. HALI
36. BELCHER
37. JOHNSON
38. HOUSTON
39. SILER
40. SHEFFIELD
41. STUDEBAKER
42. GREENWOOD

DB
43. FLOWERS
44. BERRY
45. LEWIS
46. ROUTT
47. ELAM
48. MENZIE
49. ARENAS
50. BROWN
51. DANIELS

P
52. COLQUITT

K
53. SUCCOP

Where's Gafford?

CoMoChief
08-23-2012, 02:15 PM
i fully expect us to keep 3 tightends

don't see a fullback worth keeping though

fullback needs to be able to read the open hole AND be athletic enough make the block

we don't have one of those

We had one and got rid of him

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 02:16 PM
We had one and got rid of him
who would that be?

Frosty
08-23-2012, 02:18 PM
who would that be?

Mike Cox, brah.

Micjones
08-23-2012, 02:18 PM
who would that be?

McClain I'm guessing.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 02:19 PM
i fully expect us to keep 3 tightends

I do too.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 02:19 PM
McClain I'm guessing.
he wasn't any good

I'm not sure he even cared.

He wanted to carry the ball and get some numbers so he could get paid.

Chiefnj2
08-23-2012, 02:23 PM
McClain I'm guessing.

Tony Richardson?

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 02:25 PM
Tony Richardson?
i imagine that is what CoMo was trying to bring up

He doesn't know that TRich is no longer in the league so it's irrelevant.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 02:26 PM
i imagine that is what CoMo was trying to bring up

He doesn't know that TRich is no longer in the league so it's irrelevant.

:doh!:

2006 anyone? :)

Rain Man
08-23-2012, 02:28 PM
i fully expect us to keep 3 tightends

don't see a fullback worth keeping though

fullback needs to be able to read the open hole AND be athletic enough make the block

we don't have one of those


It's always popular to predict that O'Connell won't make it, but unless one of the fullbacks comes on strong I bet O'Connell gets that spot.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 02:30 PM
It's always popular to predict that O'Connell won't make it, but unless one of the fullbacks comes on strong I bet O'Connell gets that spot.

You really think they will keep 4 tightends? I don't.

imo they will rather keep an extra Olineman or a Gray,Wylie etc type guy.

CoMoChief
08-23-2012, 02:45 PM
So what was wrong with McClain?

We never used the guy

Micjones
08-23-2012, 03:05 PM
he wasn't any good

I'm not sure he even cared.

He wanted to carry the ball and get some numbers so he could get paid.

McClain was a talented Fullback before coming to Kansas City.
He wasn't used in a traditional way here.
And his touches were limited.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 03:06 PM
So what was wrong with McClain?

We never used the guy

Because he didn't want to play FB (and he wasn't very good at it either FWIW), he wanted to carry the ball. We didn't use him because we didn't have a use for him.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 03:07 PM
McClain was a talented Fullback before coming to Kansas City.
He wasn't used in a traditional way here.
And his touches were limited.

No, he was a semi-successful oversized TAILBACK before coming here. We needed him to be a REAL FB and he wasn't capable, or willing (or both).

Micjones
08-23-2012, 03:18 PM
No, he was a semi-successful oversized TAILBACK before coming here. We needed him to be a REAL FB and he wasn't capable, or willing (or both).

What?

He played Fullback for three years at Alabama.
He was a Fullback in Baltimore.

He had one year where he was their leading rusher, but he was listed as a FB.

Jayrodt
08-23-2012, 03:20 PM
One of the tailbacks may end up being PS material since right now we have 4 backs and McCluster. I know McCluster is a full-time receiver, but he's also an emergency tailback which could cut down Draughn or Gray's usefulness. The fact that our returner is most likely going to come from the CB or WR ranks doesn't help.

I like both Draughn and Gray, but I can definitely see some scenarios where one of them ends up on another team while we try to sneak them on to the practice squad.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 03:21 PM
One of the tailbacks may end up being PS material since right now we have 4 backs and McCluster. I know McCluster is a full-time receiver, but he's also an emergency tailback which could cut down Draughn or Gray's usefulness. The fact that our returner is most likely going to come from the CB or WR ranks doesn't help.

I like both Draughn and Gray, but I can definitely see some scenarios where one of them ends up on another team while we try to sneak them on to the practice squad.

That would be fucking stupid.

Micjones
08-23-2012, 03:22 PM
One of the tailbacks may end up being PS material since right now we have 4 backs and McCluster. I know McCluster is a full-time receiver, but he's also an emergency tailback which could cut down Draughn or Gray's usefulness. The fact that our returner is most likely going to come from the CB or WR ranks doesn't help.

I like both Draughn and Gray, but I can definitely see some scenarios where one of them ends up on another team while we try to sneak them on to the practice squad.

I doubt either back is in any danger of being cut.
They'll carry four.

milkman
08-23-2012, 03:26 PM
One of the tailbacks may end up being PS material since right now we have 4 backs and McCluster. I know McCluster is a full-time receiver, but he's also an emergency tailback which could cut down Draughn or Gray's usefulness. The fact that our returner is most likely going to come from the CB or WR ranks doesn't help.

I like both Draughn and Gray, but I can definitely see some scenarios where one of them ends up on another team while we try to sneak them on to the practice squad.

To reitterate pest's post, that would be fucking stupid.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-23-2012, 03:28 PM
So what was wrong with McClain?

We never used the guy

Todd Haley

He didn't use the tools he had. He never played to the players strengths. We should have played exactly like the Tampa team that won the Superbowl and that's what Muir did when Haley left. Muir knew exactly how to use them because he was on that Tampa coaching staff. Check out the comparisons.

QB: Brad Johnson = Cassel

HB: Warrick Dunn = Charles

FB: Mike Alstott = McClain

WR: Keyshon Johnson = Bowe

WR: Keenan McCardell = Breaston

WR: Joe Jurevicious = Baldwin

We were better at tight end with Moeaki

After Haley got canned, Muir did run the old Tampa style of offense and it worked better than what Haley was trying to do. Even with Battle and Thomas Jones in there.

We should have had a true fullback to block for McClain at times. I really hope they don't make this mistake again this year. I really think Daboll needs a good FB and I hope we get one that gets cut.

milkman
08-23-2012, 03:29 PM
Todd Haley

He didn't use the tools he had. He never played to the players strengths. We should have played exactly like the Tampa team that won the Superbowl and that's what Muir did when Haley left. Muir knew exactly how to use them because he was on that Tampa coaching staff. Check out the comparisons.

QB: Brad Johnson = Cassel

HB: Warrick Dunn = Charles

FB: Mike Alstott = McClain

WR: Keyshon Johnson = Bowe

WR: Keenan McCardell = Breaston

WR: Joe Jurevicious = Baldwin

We were better at tight end with Moeaki

After Haley got canned, Muir did run the old Tampa style of offense and it worked better than what Haley was trying to do. Even with Battle and Thomas Jones in there.

We should have had a true fullback to block for McClain at times. I really hope they don't make this mistake again this year. I really think Daboll needs a good FB and I hope we get one that gets cut.

LMAO

Holy shit!

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 03:30 PM
BlackBob is pure comic relief.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 03:33 PM
McClain was a talented Fullback before coming to Kansas City.
He wasn't used in a traditional way here.
And his touches were limited.
well ... the reality is that we couldn't run up the middle with anyone.

Battle got a few more yards because he used so much forward lean that he pretty much fell over after 3 years whether he was touched at all.

So McClain couldn't run for yards like he wanted he didn't want to block.

Maybe if Haley knew what the hell he was doing he could of found a way to use McClain, but he didn't.


i think we probably need to just draft a stud fullback type guy so we can teach him what he needs to do for us instead of scouring through the scrubs.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-23-2012, 03:34 PM
BlackBob is pure comic relief.

Are all 30,000 of your post five words or less? What I said was true. Haley was fucking us up bigtime.

Dicky McElephant
08-23-2012, 03:35 PM
Are all 30,000 of your post five words or less? What I said was true. Haley was fucking us up bigtime.

Why don't you go back and check.

The hilarious part of your post wasn't about Haley. It was your moronic comparisons. Quick.....compare our defense with TB's from that year.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-23-2012, 03:40 PM
Why don't you go back and check.

The hilarious part of your post wasn't about Haley. It was your moronic comparisons. Quick.....compare our defense with TB's from that year.

Where did I do that?

Obviously, we had injuries etc. However, Haley was still the biggest problem. The offense could have been better. My post was about the offense and how it should have been run. ALL of the pieces including the offensive coordinator were in place. Haley was just a ****ing retard.

noa
08-23-2012, 03:41 PM
Yes, last year's injury ravaged team could have won the super bowl if Todd Haley just knew how to play with his pieces better. Dumb
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Micjones
08-23-2012, 03:45 PM
well ... the reality is that we couldn't run up the middle with anyone.

Battle got a few more yards because he used so much forward lean that he pretty much fell over after 3 years whether he was touched at all.

So McClain couldn't run for yards like he wanted he didn't want to block.

Maybe if Haley knew what the hell he was doing he could of found a way to use McClain, but he didn't.


i think we probably need to just draft a stud fullback type guy so we can teach him what he needs to do for us instead of scouring through the scrubs.

I honestly don't think it'll be necessary.
Daboll's run offenses that featured both traditional FB's and H-Backs.

I won't be surprised if we don't even carry one.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 03:48 PM
Yes, last year's injury ravaged team could have won the super bowl if Todd Haley just knew how to play with his pieces better. Dumb
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nobody said that, he said "We should have played exactly like the Tampa team that won the Superbowl ..." not that we would of actually won the super bowl ourselves.

Haley WAS part of the problem ... he had no clue want to do when stuff started to go wrong. That is usually what happens when i coach as been taught a system but doesn't really know the "HOW" of an offensive system.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-23-2012, 03:48 PM
Check out McLain's stats against Green Bay. He had 4 carries for 20 yards and 4 receptions for 26 yards. he got eight carries.

When Charlie Weis was the OC, he always gave Thomas Jones carries. I understand that Jones got old and lost it last season. However, we were 8-0 when Jones got 11 touches or more. This is exactly why Pioli brought Hillis in. We need a bruiser to run the offense we are set up to run.

Haley didn't run it right in 2009 and he didn't run it right in 2011. He didn't know how to run the ball period. We didn't even score a rushing TD in 2009 until like week 8 or 9. He should have used McClain all year as a ball carrier. Especially since we didn't have Charles. The guy has gotten 902 in a season before.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-23-2012, 03:51 PM
Yes, last year's injury ravaged team could have won the super bowl if Todd Haley just knew how to play with his pieces better. Dumb
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I didn't say that either. All I am saying is it wasn't as good as it could have been.

What do you want? Do you guys want examples of how bad Haley sucked?

Here's one...

Let's look at the game verses the Jets. Haley started Tyler Palko in NY. On the first series, he had Palko throw the ball three times in a row at the NFL's best CB tandem. Fucking genius!!!

noa
08-23-2012, 03:52 PM
I hope they don't carry an FB. We don't have anyone good, and we've got other players more deserving of a roster spot than a marginal FB.
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Spongeblack Bobtard
08-23-2012, 03:56 PM
I hope they don't carry an FB. We don't have anyone good, and we've got other players more deserving of a roster spot than a marginal FB.
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The Rams have two really good ones. They won't carry two and I hope we can get one. Keep in mind that in Cleveland, Daboll had Vickers. He's one of the best blocking FBs in the league and Hillis ran behind all year in 2010. We will be better with a mauler.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 03:57 PM
I hope they don't carry an FB. We don't have anyone good, and we've got other players more deserving of a roster spot than a marginal FB.
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agreed

I wonder if Manari could double as a fullback in power sets?

noa
08-23-2012, 03:59 PM
nobody said that, he said "We should have played exactly like the Tampa team that won the Superbowl ..." not that we would of actually won the super bowl ourselves.

Haley WAS part of the problem ... he has no clue want to do when stuff started to go wrong. That is usually what happens when i coach as been taught a system but doesn't really know the "HOW" of an offensive system.

I agree that Haley was a fuck up, but it's asinine to say that he should have just played like the Bucs when he had ass at QB and ass at RB plus other major injury issues. The Bucs would have faced a much harde task if they were trotting Thomas Jones and Jackie Battle out there. But yes, Haley was a bad coach and could have done a better job.
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htismaqe
08-23-2012, 04:42 PM
What?

He played Fullback for three years at Alabama.
He was a Fullback in Baltimore.

He had one year where he was their leading rusher, but he was listed as a FB.

And?

Dexter McCluster spent last year listed as a RB and this year he'll be listed at WR.

What's your point?

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 04:45 PM
I didn't say that either. All I am saying is it wasn't as good as it could have been.

What do you want? Do you guys want examples of how bad Haley sucked?

Here's one...

Let's look at the game verses the Jets. Haley started Tyler Palko in NY. On the first series, he had Palko throw the ball three times in a row at the NFL's best CB tandem. ****ing genius!!!

He's now the offensive coordinator of one of the most storied franchises in all of professional sports and has a REAL franchise QB to work with.

You're right, he is a genius.

jd1020
08-23-2012, 04:47 PM
He's now the offensive coordinator of one of the most storied franchises in all of professional sports and has a REAL franchise QB to work with.

You're right, he is a genius.

Thanks dad!

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 04:47 PM
He's now the offensive coordinator of one of the most storied franchises in all of professional sports and has a REAL franchise QB to work with.

You're right, he is a genius.
Haley is find as long as he has a ready made super bowl QB and an offense already put together so he can just tweak and ride.

Arizona and now Pittsburgh

That's the extent of his OC experience too ... Arizona,KC,Pittsburgh

jd1020
08-23-2012, 04:49 PM
Haley is find as long as he has a ready made super bowl QB and an offense already put together so he can just tweak and ride.

Arizona and now Pittsburgh

That's the extent of his OC experience too ... Arizona,KC,Pittsburgh

The next time Roethlisberger throws 3 linemen off his back and makes the DB's "cover" for 10 seconds, think of Haley. That was all him!

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 04:50 PM
Haley is find as long as he has a ready made super bowl QB and an offense already put together so he can just tweak and ride.

Arizona and now Pittsburgh

That's the extent of his OC experience too ... Arizona,KC,Pittsburgh

He's not tweaking the Pittsburgh offense, they're starting from scratch.

And yes, he's done pretty well when handed a good situation.

It's easy to see that he completely blew his chance here. He was crazy.

He also wasn't the ONLY problem with this team.

But there's no use in arguing it. It will be proven on the field.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 04:51 PM
The next time Roethlisberger throws 3 linemen off his back and makes the DB's "cover" for 10 seconds, think of Haley. That was all him!

The next time Cassel throws a pass into the dirt even though Bowe and Baldwin are open because his outlet in the flat is covered, think of Haley. That was all him!

jd1020
08-23-2012, 04:52 PM
The next time Cassel throws a pass into the dirt even though Bowe and Baldwin are open because his outlet in the flat is covered, think of Haley. That was all him!

I'll just think of Palko and 3rd and long McCluster draw plays, if you don't mind.

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 04:59 PM
I'll just think of Palko and 3rd and long McCluster draw plays, if you don't mind.

He was trying to get fired. I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to work with the sorry group of QBs he was given either.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 05:11 PM
The next time Roethlisberger throws 3 linemen off his back and makes the DB's "cover" for 10 seconds, think of Haley. That was all him!
some people will be, they really will

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 05:18 PM
some people will be, they really will

And some people, 3 years from now, will understand that Haley running the ball helped extend Big Ben's career.

As is almost always the case, both sides are wrong and the truth lies somewhere in between.

Mr. Laz
08-23-2012, 05:20 PM
He was trying to get fired. I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to work with the sorry group of QBs he was given either.
This is the biggest,babbling bunch of bullshit

so Haley wanted to get fired in his 1st and maybe only HC in the NFL?


Weis made Cassel better and Haley could of just LET IT THE FUCK GO and enjoy being more successful, but he didn't. He'd rather lose like a punk bitch than let someone else help him win.

SO FAR, daboll has helped Cassel look better too

So instead of proving he was competent and that he could make shitty QB's look decent, he just gave up?

So you're saying Haley is a pussy as well as worthless?

QB's come and go ... If that is the really reason for Haley sucking then he could of just waited. Better yet he could of actually developed a QB and pressure to replace Cassel. But instead he decided to go with Palko.

so many holes in the worthless pile of shit "MYTH" that i can barely contain myself

1st Weis left because of cassel and not Haley
now Haley left because of Cassel after running Weis off(a guy who actually made cassel decent)
Then Weis left for florida to be with his family ... oops he's back in KS
oh yea, don't forget that Pioli force all the bad players on Haley and haley was responsible for all the good players.

the endless bullshit spewed around this place is unreal

htismaqe
08-23-2012, 05:25 PM
This is the biggest,babbling bunch of bullshit

so Haley wanted to get fired in his 1st and maybe only HC in the NFL?


Weis made Cassel better and Haley could of just LET IT THE **** GO and enjoy being more successful, but he didn't. He'd rather lose like a punk bitch than let someone else help him win.

SO FAR, daboll has helped Cassel look better too

So instead of proving he was competent and that he could make shitty QB's look decent, he just gave up?

So you're saying Haley is a pussy as well as worthless?

QB's come and go ... If that is the really reason for Haley sucking then he could of just waited. Better yet he could of actually developed a QB and pressure to replace Cassel. But instead he decided to go with Palko.

so many holes in the worthless pile of shit "MYTH" that i can barely contain myself

1st Weis left because of cassel and not Haley
now Haley left because of Cassel after running Weis off(a guy who actually made cassel decent)
Then Weis left for florida to be with his family ... oops he's back in KS
oh yea, don't forget that Pioli force all the bad players on Haley and haley was responsible for all the good players.

the endless bullshit spewed around this place is unreal

ROFL

The only bullshit spewed here is that Haley was the big bad guy and Charlie Weis was some kind of hero.

Weis was successful because he was willing to accept Cassel's faults and work around them. Haley wasn't. Haley expected a lot more from Cassel and in the end, not being willing to compromise got him fired.

Everybody here says Haley was crazy. Yet it's completely unreasonable that an insane person would squander his biggest chance at head coaching glory in an effort to prove he's right.

whoman69
08-23-2012, 07:12 PM
Laz, just give it up about Haley. Many of the things that made him successful enough to get a shot, were the things that brought him down. Let's also forget this fantasy that Weis was some sort of Cassel whisperer. The bubble has burst on that fairy tale.

Haley wasn't ever going to be able to run with the restrictions that Pioli put on him and the amount of control that Pioli seems to want to have. Obviously Haley couldn't adjust. Hopefully Pioli can, because no organization can be successful if the GM is making all the decisions for the head coach.