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petegz28
08-24-2012, 09:28 PM
Well, break down the shitfest

yeti
08-24-2012, 09:29 PM
Ha!

mikeyis4dcats.
08-24-2012, 09:30 PM
it's a shitfest.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-24-2012, 09:30 PM
um we suck

Jerm
08-24-2012, 09:31 PM
Jalil Brown = UGH

I hate to single him out of this shitfest but my God...

Bane
08-24-2012, 09:34 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

petegz28
08-24-2012, 09:36 PM
I thought overall we just looked dominated in all aspects of the game.

Cassel wasn't as bad as some say but he wasn't very good either. Average.

WR's have to catch the god damn ball!

Running game was absent. Hillis ran the ball once.

Defense...what can you say? No pressure, bad tackling

Molitoth
08-24-2012, 09:37 PM
*Too many drops.
*Cassel's pocket awareness is shit.
*Cassel staring down receivers is shit.
*The secondary gives too much cushion.
*Our blitz sucks.
*Hali could get a holding penalty called near every play, but doesn't.
*After this team got dicked by the refs, they were gassed and gave up.
*Russel Wilson is going to be a great QB in this league.

el borracho
08-24-2012, 09:37 PM
Time of possession: KC 24 min/ SEA 18 min
Yards per pass: KC 4.1 / SEA 9.3
Cassel's QB rating: 66.8

Most receptions on KC: McCluster

Summary: Dink-Dunk, ball control offense which leads to no points- just losses.

mcaj22
08-24-2012, 09:38 PM
all you clowns that gave me so much crap calling out Jalil Brown for being what he is and tried to hype him up as something good with potential can all eat fucking shit and suck my toes. I was right the whole time

Stinger
08-24-2012, 09:40 PM
As I posted in the game thread ... Its was a train wreck

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/stinger871/Chief%20Planet/4468-BS85.jpg

brophog
08-24-2012, 09:40 PM
I'd say fucking ugly, but they haven't been that good.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 09:42 PM
If it's any hope, the 1st year we had Bono the Crads spanked us worse than this at Arrowhead in preseason and we went 13-3..just sayin

Fruit Ninja
08-24-2012, 09:42 PM
BLah

el borracho
08-24-2012, 09:42 PM
August in KC; a time for two-a-days and three-and-outs.

jd1020
08-24-2012, 09:43 PM
Positives:

McCluster
Charles

...
Um...
...

Negatives:

Bowe
Moeaki
The defense is pathetic. 1 game in the preseason getting blown shit on? Fine, w/e. Fluke. 2 in a row? Starting to show a pattern.

Von Dumbass
08-24-2012, 09:43 PM
The Chiefs just aren't a good football team when Jamaal Charles isn't touching the football. On the drives where Charles got a few touches the Chiefs moved the chains. When he didn't...

Ceej
08-24-2012, 09:45 PM
Positive: the Chiefs don't play in the nfcw.

mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 09:47 PM
*Russel Wilson is going to be a great QB in this league.

He wasn't bad but I will hold out for more before I would say great. He throws a lot of jump balls that if Brown or his backup is not playing turn into INTs. Yeah he can run but in regular season you plan for that. He made good throws along with some bad ones. They will still be mistaken to start him based off this performance.

mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 09:48 PM
The Chiefs just aren't a good football team when Jamaal Charles isn't touching the football. On the drives where Charles got a few touches the Chiefs moved the chains. When he didn't...

Yep and that is one thing we can hold on to for hope. We wanted to work on WR play so much so that we didn't really utilize our run game the way we normally will.

MOhillbilly
08-24-2012, 09:49 PM
We fucking suck. I will stab anyone who says different.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2012, 09:50 PM
Positives:

McCluster
Charles

...
Um...
...

Negatives:

Bowe
Moeaki
The defense is pathetic. 1 game in the preseason getting blown shit on? Fine, w/e. Fluke. 2 in a row? Starting to show a pattern.The D was bad, but 2 preseason games is a pattern?

brophog
08-24-2012, 09:50 PM
Positive: the Chiefs don't play in the nfcw.

Negative: the Chiefs play in the NFL.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2012, 09:51 PM
We fucking suck. I will stab anyone who says different.

Suction


:)

Buckweath
08-24-2012, 09:51 PM
Yep and that is one thing we can hold on to for hope. We wanted to work on WR play so much so that we didn't really utilize our run game the way we normally will.

I tell you those drops at the beginning of the game really killed what could have been good drives.

Ceej
08-24-2012, 09:53 PM
Negative: the Chiefs play in the NFL.

Positive: At least they're not the Browns.

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 09:54 PM
Russell Wilson makes me sick.
should have been a Chief.

brophog
08-24-2012, 09:56 PM
Positive: At least they're not the Browns.

Touche' ;)

Munson
08-24-2012, 09:56 PM
- Cassel still sucks
- Jalil Brown is ass
- We have no depth at CB
- We're gonna lose many games if we have to rely on McCluster to move the chains

mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 09:56 PM
Russell Wilson makes me sick.
should have been a Chief.

Ryan Leaf started his preseason career 2-0.

jd1020
08-24-2012, 09:57 PM
We're gonna lose many games if we have to rely on McCluster to move the chains

The running game was an after thought in todays game. I think that's because we were trying to jump start Bowe. This team in the regular season is going to be run first.

Frazod
08-24-2012, 10:01 PM
I'm out having a nice steak dinner - thank God I'm not watching this fucking turd.

RUSH
08-24-2012, 10:04 PM
Russell Wilson makes me sick.
should have been a Chief.

Nah man Donald Stephenson was too good to pass up.

I hated Wilson, but I'm not being paid millions of dollars to evaluate players. They should have gotten that right. No excuses.

MIAdragon
08-24-2012, 10:06 PM
http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NateEachus.jpg

milkman
08-24-2012, 10:07 PM
It's all Todd Haley's fault.

Buckweath
08-24-2012, 10:07 PM
Nah man Donald Stephenson was too good to pass up.

I hated Wilson, but I'm not being paid millions of dollars to evaluate players. They should have gotten that right. No excuses.

LOL, you serious??

Munson
08-24-2012, 10:08 PM
I'm out having a nice steak dinner - thank God I'm not watching this ****ing turd.

You lucky bastard.

Deberg_1990
08-24-2012, 10:08 PM
McCluster might have 110 catches for 800 yards this year!

cabletech94
08-24-2012, 10:08 PM
eauchus--what a breath of fresh air!!!

/camp fodder

RUSH
08-24-2012, 10:09 PM
LOL, you serious??

First line was sarcasm.

the Talking Can
08-24-2012, 10:11 PM
Cassel is a choking pussy who can't tie his own shoes without Charles running wild.....

Bowe and Baldwin might as well sell popcorn

Everyone else looked like a pussy

Brown is worse than Bartee, and Routt is barely average

we've used 3 top eleven picks on the DL, and a 2nd and a 5th on QB....we look like a team with that kind of warped priorities...

-King-
08-24-2012, 10:11 PM
Russell Wilson makes me sick.
should have been a Chief.

I know right. Drafting 5'10 quarterbacks is a proven working strategy.
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mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 10:11 PM
McCluster might have 110 catches for 800 yards this year!

I drafted him in fantasy :) Cassel's fixation is my fantasy league domination!

Buckweath
08-24-2012, 10:12 PM
First line was sarcasm.

Maybe every team wished they would have picked Russell Wilson in the 2nd now, are you going to say they all should have gotten that right, being paid millions every year??

suzzer99
08-24-2012, 10:12 PM
Eachus!

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:12 PM
I know right. Drafting 5'10 quarterbacks is a proven working strategy.
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and Drew Brees?

jd1020
08-24-2012, 10:13 PM
Idiots playing the hindsight game when it comes to Wilson.

KC Tattoo
08-24-2012, 10:13 PM
Is it too much to ask for a defense too maybe um TACKLE?

tk13
08-24-2012, 10:14 PM
I certainly wouldn't crown Wilson just yet.

the Talking Can
08-24-2012, 10:15 PM
Trent Green sucks more Pioli ball sweat than that one dumb pats fan....

Tombstone RJ
08-24-2012, 10:15 PM
I thought the game rocked. rocked hard. Cassel, looks like he's in mid season form.

no, but seriously, I don't think your team can play from behind. You all get a lead and you could win some games, you get behind and I'm just not seeing a big, quick-strike come back.

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:15 PM
Idiots playing the hindsight game when it comes to Wilson.

like we have a QB..

jd1020
08-24-2012, 10:16 PM
like we have a QB..

What exactly are you trying to say?

-King-
08-24-2012, 10:16 PM
and Drew Brees?

He's 2 inches taller and hes one of the 2 or 3 exceptions in the past few decades.
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BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:16 PM
I certainly wouldn't crown Wilson just yet.

he'll better than anyone we have.
just sayin.

jd1020
08-24-2012, 10:17 PM
he'll better than anyone we have.
just sayin.

You telling me you were screaming for the Chiefs to pick Russell Wilson in the 3rd round?

Phobia
08-24-2012, 10:17 PM
Anybody else's channel 5 go black at 10:00? I didn't even see the last half of the 4th quarter... not that I missed anything.

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:17 PM
What exactly are you trying to say?

i'm saying Piloi should have drafted Wilson, we have depth at OLine and not a decent QB on this roster.

jd1020
08-24-2012, 10:18 PM
Anybody else's channel 5 go black at 10:00? I didn't even see the last half of the 4th quarter... not that I missed anything.

You missed one of the bright spots in the game... Eachus breaking one off in the Seahawks ass.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:18 PM
Anybody else's channel 5 go black at 10:00? I didn't even see the last half of the 4th quarter... not that I missed anything.

Not mine

jd1020
08-24-2012, 10:18 PM
i'm saying Piloi should have drafted Wilson, we have depth at OLine and not a decent QB on this roster.

In the 3rd round? Stfu.

Take your hindsight and shove it up your ass. No one was expecting him to go any where near that high and if I'm not mistaken he didn't exactly go into the draft with a lot of praise.

Gadzooks
08-24-2012, 10:18 PM
*Too many drops.
*Cassel's pocket awareness is shit.
*Cassel staring down receivers is shit.
*The secondary gives too much cushion.
*Our blitz sucks.
*Hali could get a holding penalty called near every play, but doesn't.
*After this team got dicked by the refs, they were gassed and gave up.
*Russel Wilson is going to be a great QB in this league.

I thought Cassel did a great job of staring down his receivers.

tk13
08-24-2012, 10:19 PM
he'll better than anyone we have.
just sayin.

I wouldn't definitively say that either. Although being better than garbage shouldn't be the goal anyway. I hate it when people say that. But still, I wouldn't crown him yet.

Deberg_1990
08-24-2012, 10:19 PM
he'll better than anyone we have.
just sayin.

Yes because 3 meaningless preseason games is certainly a well rounded body of work.


I've seen too many of these "preseason Heroes" over the years to know better than to rush to judgement like that.

Iconic
08-24-2012, 10:19 PM
The team looks like it hasn't grown since last year. They are showing the same Jackal and Hyde type play. One game their looking like Superbowl contenders, the next a bunch of freshmen who accidentally made the Varsity football team. There is absolutely no consistency in the play of this team. I honestly am not sure who to blame for this. I feel like the entire team is at fault for tonight.

RUSH
08-24-2012, 10:20 PM
Maybe every team wished they would have picked Russell Wilson in the 2nd now, are you going to say they all should have gotten that right, being paid millions every year??

For a QB needy teams, yes that's exactly what I'm saying. From what he's shown, there is no way he should have gone in the 3rd. Huge mistake by a bunch of teams, not just the Chiefs. They get paid to nail decisions like that. Kudos to the Seahawks.

Tombstone RJ
08-24-2012, 10:20 PM
Pioli could have had either Wilson or Nick Foles...

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:21 PM
Yes because 3 meaningless years is certainly a well rounded body of work we've seen from Cassel..



FYP

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:21 PM
I just wonder how many of you that are already cashing it in were saying how the win in game 1 was meaningless because it was preseason, etc?

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:22 PM
Pioli could have had either Wilson or Nick Foles...

too much competition for His boy Matty :D

-King-
08-24-2012, 10:23 PM
Yes because 3 meaningless preseason games is certainly a well rounded body of work.


I've seen too many of these "preseason Heroes" over the years to know better than to rush to judgement like that.
Russels good. But hes no Charlie Whitehurst
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O.city
08-24-2012, 10:24 PM
Played like shit, but it's the PS. Lotta defenses are playing like shit right now, it's pretty vanilla.


That said, physically we looked like shit on D.

-King-
08-24-2012, 10:24 PM
FYP

Fuck does Cassel have to do with what he said?
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KCrockaholic
08-24-2012, 10:25 PM
Jalil Brown IS who I THOUGHT he was.

Training camp fraud is a waste.

Dontari Poe needs to figure out how to play nose.

Cassel is a worthless pile of shit. Nothing new.

Play calling was weird. Very bland, and vanilla it seemed. Not only that but the offense was playing at too quick of a pace once they broke the huddle.

Cassel needed to slow down the process. Check the defense. Make pre-snap adjustments, and understand what to do.

He didn't do that in the first quarter at all.

KC Tattoo
08-24-2012, 10:25 PM
POWE had a huge stick on a RB in the backfield was awesome! That was smash mouth football.


Was disapoint in my boy Justin Houston for missing a big tackle on Wilson that then scrambled for a mile run.


We have to learn how to streatch the field. We can't count on Cassel for shit, but again like 2010 we got JC that makes the Injun (pun) run.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:26 PM
Cassel was as good tonight as I've seen him in a while.



If Breaston and Moeak catch those two deeper balls, he would have looked alot better.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:27 PM
We didn't run the ball, with the first team, hardly at all. I imagine they wanted to throw the ball more tonight, trying to get timing down.



If Casssel can play like he did tonight all year, I'd take it.

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:27 PM
**** does Cassel have to do with what he said?
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my bad.
read it to fast, thought he was talking about two weeks of Wilson.

Munson
08-24-2012, 10:28 PM
Cassel was as good tonight as I've seen him in a while.



If Breaston and Moeak catch those two deeper balls, he would have looked alot better.

Not sure if serious.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:28 PM
Cassel was as good tonight as I've seen him in a while.



If Breaston and Moeak catch those two deeper balls, he would have looked alot better.

I think he got a little careless on the fumble. The INT he was getting hit and trying to make a play down by double-dgits so WTF?

Then there was the one sack where he ran forever

Other than that I thought Cassel played ok. Not great but ok. Game is probably different had some passes not been dropped.


And WTF was Hillis? WTF was our running game? We didn't even try to run the ball hardly at all!

Chiefs Pantalones
08-24-2012, 10:28 PM
Looked like crap but it's preseason. Any word on Hillis?

jd1020
08-24-2012, 10:29 PM
Cassel was as good tonight as I've seen him in a while.



If Breaston and Moeak catch those two deeper balls, he would have looked alot better.

Fighting a losing battle.

I would say Cassel was better than he's been. He had a couple of plays that were :facepalm:, like the double spin move sack, the pick 6, and I missed the Moeaki throw. Other than those plays he was stepping up in the pocket and accurate. His receivers did him no favors tonight.

This defense has me worried though. Haven't really gotten pressure on the QB in the last 2 games and fucking Brown... dear god. If Flowers can't start by week 1 this is gonna be a gag fest.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:29 PM
It was pretty obvious that we weren't trying to run the ball at all. I think that was likely planned, with Bowe coming back changing up some things.



THe offense couldn't get going the first couple possesions, but had a few drops.



Everyone take a deep breath and move on.

BoneKrusher
08-24-2012, 10:31 PM
Everyone take a deep breath and move on.

that's my plan.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:31 PM
Fighting a losing battle.

I would say Cassel was better than he's been. He had a couple of plays that were :facepalm:, like the double spin move sack, the pick 6, and I missed the Moeaki throw. Other than those plays he was stepping up in the pocket and accurate. His receivers did him no favors tonight.

Hell, I thought he threw the ball down the field pretty well.



I know it's stats in teh PS, but he was 17 for 31 for I don't knwo how many yards, with 6 drops atleast. Couple of the drops were on him, but say 3 of those were caught, 20 for 31 for over 200 yards is something I would take from him.

cabletech94
08-24-2012, 10:32 PM
Eachus!

Q

it's all good, braugh. see post #39. kid was pretty impressive against 3rd-5th stringers. and yes, i'm serious.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:32 PM
Fighting a losing battle.

I would say Cassel was better than he's been. He had a couple of plays that were :facepalm:, like the double spin move sack, the pick 6, and I missed the Moeaki throw. Other than those plays he was stepping up in the pocket and accurate. His receivers did him no favors tonight.

Ever Qb is going to have some brain fart moments at times. Good thing is Cassel really only had them tonight and not all 3 games.

The only 2 drops I say were acceptable were the one's to Breaston and the first one to Bowe. Breaston got hit right as he caught it. Ok, fair enough. Bowe had the defender right on him and probably doesn't quite have his timing Ok, fair enough. T-Mo dropped 2 very catchable passes that were for good gains.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:34 PM
It was pretty obvious that we weren't trying to run the ball at all. I think that was likely planned, with Bowe coming back changing up some things.



THe offense couldn't get going the first couple possesions, but had a few drops.



Everyone take a deep breath and move on.

I'm a little more worried about the defense than I am the offense. Granted every time they started to do good they got ass fucked by the Refs. They had 1 total brain fart but other than that Brown was burned and hopefully that changes with Flowers.

Plus Romeo isn't going to call any fancy shit right now. He is going to line up and see what guys can do straight up for the most part.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:34 PM
The INT for a td, and the fumble were situations he was trying to make plays. I'd rather he do that than shit and take a sack, especially in the PS.



The double spin was bad.



Wr's gotta catch balls. Makes qb's look good and bad.

royr17
08-24-2012, 10:35 PM
Yes Eachus looked good tonite against 3rd team but I think he can look much better with the 1st team then Draughn does. There's a reason why Washington cut him. Im not very impressed with Draughn at all plus Eachus can step in and play fullback if needed too.

LOCOChief
08-24-2012, 10:35 PM
The little lady had just mentioned that everyone of those mutherfucking chiefs players suck cock in cluding the bald fuck with the suit talking at halftime and except for JC of course.

mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 10:36 PM
i'm saying Piloi should have drafted Wilson, we have depth at OLine and not a decent QB on this roster.

Leaf's first preseason game: 14 of 19, 143 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INT. Now stop playing the hindsight game.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:36 PM
I will say the play Cassel made to Dex for the TD is a sign he is maturing some. He didn't freak out under the pressure, danced around defenders in the pocket, stepped up and made a good pass.

In years past that's either a sack, a bad pass or a throw away and we settle for 3.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:37 PM
After the Refs gifted the Hawks with a TD I think our defensive starters were just like "**** this, I'm done"

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:37 PM
Cassel read the blitz and tried to make reads off it tonight more and better than i've seen him do.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:41 PM
We are gonna have to be better up front defensively.

aturnis
08-24-2012, 10:41 PM
The Chiefs just aren't a good football team when Jamaal Charles isn't touching the football. On the drives where Charles got a few touches the Chiefs moved the chains. When he didn't...

Disagree completely. The offense started moving the ball once McCluster stayed on the field. Cassel leaned on him to move the chains. Same as the first two games.

Tribal Warfare
08-24-2012, 10:41 PM
The INT for a td, and the fumble were situations he was trying to make plays. I'd rather he do that than shit and take a sack, especially in the PS.





Cassel did shit himself with that INT, he threw that baby when he has panicking without noticing the Safety in the area which turned into 6 points for the opposition. The fumble was poor awareness of the situation during the play, and not noticing the rush behind him while trying to be cute with the double reverse fake.

Bowser
08-24-2012, 10:41 PM
Cassel read the blitz and tried to make reads off it tonight more and better than i've seen him do.

They were talking on the radio how much better he looked. Quick release, good decisions minus the pick six...... and still his stat line was 19-34 167 yds 1 TD 1 INT.

He needs to pick it the fuck up.

Tuckdaddy
08-24-2012, 10:42 PM
I have no idea what they were thinking tonight. We are a running team not a Matt throw it team. We should have played the way can on offense. We had better run the ball alot against our opponents this season or it will be bad all year. I don't care if Matt is more relaxed without Haley up his ass, he is still the same slow thinking and slow reacting QB we know is not good enough.

JC and PH should be ran into the ground for this team to win.

Deberg_1990
08-24-2012, 10:43 PM
I remember when guys like Dan McGwire and Jim Druckenmiller would tear it up in preseason!

KCrockaholic
08-24-2012, 10:43 PM
Oh. One more random thought.

If I see Leon Washington try to hurt my man Eric Berry again I will ****ING tear him apart. If I go another season without getting to see EB I will explode. Washington and Steve Johnson would be #1 and 2 on my list...

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:45 PM
Disagree completely. The offense started moving the ball once McCluster stayed on the field. Cassel leaned on him to move the chains. Same as the first two games.

This is an excellent point. The first drive sucked, ok. Other than that we moved the ball with 0 running game. Hillis carried the ball once. ONCE! Some bad passes but several inexcusable drops that would have easily moved the chains.

Dex in the slot could be a weapon none of us thought we had this season.

ChiefsandO'sfan
08-24-2012, 10:45 PM
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O.city
08-24-2012, 10:46 PM
When Cassel was under pressure tonight, which he was alot as Seattle seemed to abandon the run D and just pin their ears back, he kept his eyes down field.



Cassel was the least of the problems tonight. As a matter of fact, I thought he played pretty well.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:46 PM
The Breaston drop and the Moeaki drop, if caught, are atleast 20 yard gains. Atleast.

mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 10:47 PM
I have no idea what they were thinking tonight. We are a running team not a Matt throw it team. We should have played the way can on offense. We had better run the ball alot against our opponents this season or it will be bad all year. I don't care if Matt is more relaxed without Haley up his ass, he is still the same slow thinking and slow reacting QB we know is not good enough.

JC and PH should be ran into the ground for this team to win.

I am not too worried about the run game. They were clearly trying really hard and probably too hard to get the balk to the WRs. We know Cassel throwing 34 times is not the best thing and they know that as well.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:48 PM
The Breaston drop and the Moeaki drop, if caught, are atleast 20 yard gains. Atleast.

Cassel easily has 4 more completions had guys held onto the ball.

2 drops by TMo
1 by Breaston
1 by Bowe...the other I understood

Chiefs Pantalones
08-24-2012, 10:48 PM
Hillis anyone? Was he injured? Just limited reps?

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:49 PM
Hillis was just limited.

mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 10:50 PM
Hillis anyone? Was he injured? Just limited reps?

I would say running in general just wasn't in the game plan.

Bowser
08-24-2012, 10:50 PM
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LMAO

Chiefs Pantalones
08-24-2012, 10:50 PM
Hillis was just limited.

Very limited indeed then.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:51 PM
We were wanting to work the passing game alot tonight, which they did.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:52 PM
Hillis anyone? Was he injured? Just limited reps?

This is a good question. They never said anything. I think our running game was just limited as a whole. Tonight was a night to focus on the pass.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:53 PM
oline was shaky to start, but seemed to get better.



Seahawks brought 5 alot.

New World Order
08-24-2012, 10:53 PM
Beginning of the end for Pioli, and you know what I think I like it.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:54 PM
Seahawks were blitzing a ton tonight.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2012, 10:56 PM
The claythan Mults are back.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:56 PM
Lets just get healthy and get the year started.

jd1020
08-24-2012, 10:57 PM
The claythan Mults are back.

Beginning of the end for Pioli, and you know what I think I like it.

True.

O.city
08-24-2012, 10:57 PM
We ran the ball, maybe 8 times in the first half. I'm actually not really worried about the offense.




Defensively, we were ****ing awful.




From my watching of defenses around the league this preseason, it's pretty obvious as to how much gameplanning goes into defenses each week. I haven't seen many good defensive performances this Preseason from anyone.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 10:58 PM
I think the only reason Charles was on the filed as much as he was is so he can get back into the groove. No way, no fucking way we pull Hillis after 1 carry and abandon the run like that without some ulterior motive

petegz28
08-24-2012, 11:00 PM
We ran the ball, maybe 8 times in the first half. I'm actually not really worried about the offense.




Defensively, we were ****ing awful.




From my watching of defenses around the league this preseason, it's pretty obvious as to how much gameplanning goes into defenses each week. I haven't seen many good defensive performances this Preseason from anyone.

We were not good. But keep in mind we held them to FG's until we brain farted. Then when we were shutting them down the Refs decided to get flag happy on Hali. Nevermind he was being tackled and headlocked all night. Houston was held big time on a play or 2 without a flag as well.

In fact I don't think Seattle was called for holding once, were they?

New World Order
08-24-2012, 11:01 PM
Cassel easily has 4 more completions had guys held onto the ball.

2 drops by TMo
1 by Breaston
1 by Bowe...the other I understood




You are going to have some drops when every pass you complete is 4 yards. It's like a high school qb is playing out there.


Flat pass, Flat pass, 7 yard comeback route.


You never see a 40 yard post pass or anything, it's just all dink and dunk. How are you supposed to beat a team like the Baltimore Ravens with flat passes all game?

KCrockaholic
08-24-2012, 11:01 PM
Beginning of the end for Pioli, and you know what I think I like it.

Welcome to the board new member.....




:nosmilie:

O.city
08-24-2012, 11:01 PM
Second string oline looked dominant. Jeff Allen and Stephenson had really good games.



Allen is replacing Lilja sooner than later.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 11:02 PM
You are going to have some drops when every pass you complete is 4 yards. It's like a high school qb is playing out there.


Flat pass, Flat pass, 7 yard comeback route.


You never see a 40 yard post pass or anything, it's just all dink and dunk. How are you supposed to beat a team like the Baltimore Ravens with flat passes all game?

Go away, Clay! I'll feed your troll come week 1

New World Order
08-24-2012, 11:05 PM
Go away, Clay! I'll feed your troll come week 1



I am not a trol,l seriously! The only sports team I love are the Chiefs, I just hate Cassel. We will go nowhere with him

Reerun_KC
08-24-2012, 11:05 PM
Mult reported

petegz28
08-24-2012, 11:05 PM
I am not a trol,l seriously! The only sports team I love are the Chiefs, I just hate Cassel. We will go nowhere with him

Go away, Clay. You lost your bet.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 11:08 PM
Ok everyone, don't be suckered by tonight's performance. I am not saying it was good. Defensivley we have work to do but come on, seriously, there was no game plan, vanilla calls, no Flowers, no Lewis and Toribio went down.


Know what's overlooked by the score tonight? Charles had 5.3 ypc. We only ran the ball 11 times with our starters. Hillis had 2 carries all night. Matt Cassel also showed tonight that against the blitz he can respond and move the chains. Of course it helps if his WR's catch the ****ing ball but nonetheless.

Chiefs=Good
08-24-2012, 11:11 PM
Beginning of the end for Pioli, and you know what I think I like it.

LMAO this is so obviously Clay

notorious
08-24-2012, 11:11 PM
QB sucks.


Copy and paste over and over and over again.

mcaj22
08-24-2012, 11:12 PM
if Jalil Brown has to start at CB for a real NFL game we will no doubt lose against the Falcons.

so hopefully Flowers saves us from that

Chiefs=Good
08-24-2012, 11:13 PM
While brown was not the best, the coverage they were playing wasnt helping him any..

royr17
08-24-2012, 11:13 PM
if Jalil Brown has to start at CB for a real NFL game we will no doubt lose against the Falcons.

so hopefully Flowers saves us from that

im hoping that im right but i think if it was a real nfl game that flowers would play. i think he's just using the preseason to try to let it get a little better before he tries to play week 1.

OctoberFart
08-24-2012, 11:15 PM
Poe was single blocked predominately most of the night.

KCDC
08-24-2012, 11:17 PM
We have a good OL, good RBs, good WRs, three first round picks on the DL, 2 pro bowl LBs and Safety ... and we get owned.

Say what you will, at some point, when the talent is there and you get dominated regularly, it becomes the coaches' fault. This is a good team (but for a weak QB) and if they play poorly, the blame has to lay (in large measure) with the coaches.

lcarus
08-24-2012, 11:20 PM
Poe was single blocked predominately most of the night.

But the other Powe had a WHOMPER of a HIT!

Saccopoo
08-24-2012, 11:27 PM
But the other Powe had a WHOMPER of a HIT!

As I said after last weeks game, Powe needs to be getting first team reps. He's been the best NT so far this preseason in filling the gaps and getting pressure from the point.

He's looked pretty good.

kstater
08-24-2012, 11:36 PM
Fighting a losing battle.

I would say Cassel was better than he's been. He had a couple of plays that were :facepalm:, like the double spin move sack, the pick 6, and I missed the Moeaki throw. Other than those plays he was stepping up in the pocket and accurate. His receivers did him no favors tonight.



The double spin was bad. The pick 6 was right in front of me, and I couldn't tell if his arm was hit as he threw it. Not sure what the Moeaki throw you're referring to, but if it's the one that just missed his hands up the seam, it's a throw that every TE in the league should be able to catch. Mo just missed it. I thought Cassel did decent considering all the drops.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 11:38 PM
The double spin was bad. The pick 6 was right in front of me, and I couldn't tell if his arm was hit as he threw it. Not sure what the Moeaki throw you're referring to, but if it's the one that just missed his hands up the seam, it's a throw that every TE in the league should be able to catch. Mo just missed it. I thought Cassel did decent considering all the drops.

Cassel wasn't hit on the INT. He was about to get plowed and forced the throw but when you're down by that much, WTF not?

jd1020
08-24-2012, 11:42 PM
Not sure what the Moeaki throw you're referring to, but if it's the one that just missed his hands up the seam, it's a throw that every TE in the league should be able to catch. Mo just missed it. I thought Cassel did decent considering all the drops.

I'm referring the the Moeaki pass that started at post #316 in the game thread.

My stream froze and I missed pretty much the entire series.

KCrockaholic
08-24-2012, 11:42 PM
if Jalil Brown has to start at CB for a real NFL game we will no doubt lose against the Falcons.

so hopefully Flowers saves us from that

If Jalil Brown has to try to cover Julio Jones we are in deep shit.

mcaj22
08-24-2012, 11:44 PM
im really glad we passed on all of Wilson, Foles, Cousins...

I know its preseason but all three of them showing potential and excitement that we have been desperate for out of any QB on the Chiefs roster for the last 10 years that is/was young.

If Stanzi even shows half of what those guys are doing I'd be happy. But nope.

petegz28
08-24-2012, 11:49 PM
im really glad we passed on all of Wilson, Foles, Cousins...

I know its preseason but all three of them showing potential and excitement that we have been desperate for out of any QB on the Chiefs roster for the last 10 years that is/was young.

If Stanzi even shows half of what those guys are doing I'd be happy. But nope.

Shit, I remember the year Bono started, everyone said our defense looked like total shit in the preseason. Arizona smoked us similar to what happened tonight in the preseason. We went on to be 13-3. with an awesome defense. It's fucking preseason. We didn't even attempt to run the ball for shit tonight. Our defense is playing very vanilla. Seen this before.


The upshot to all this is Romeo is getting this shit worked out in the preseason unlike Haley who waited until the season started.

New World Order
08-24-2012, 11:49 PM
I think he got a little careless on the fumble. The INT he was getting hit and trying to make a play down by double-dgits so WTF?

Then there was the one sack where he ran forever

Other than that I thought Cassel played ok. Not great but ok. Game is probably different had some passes not been dropped.


And WTF was Hillis? WTF was our running game? We didn't even try to run the ball hardly at all!



You're in denial

Chiefshrink
08-24-2012, 11:51 PM
Ryan Leaf started his preseason career 2-0.

:facepalm:

Maturity level of Leaf compared to Wilson? Take a look.

http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/Seahawks-Daily---Wilson-Named-Starter/2947d925-6d39-464b-9d32-fc747601a082

mcaj22
08-24-2012, 11:53 PM
Shit, I remember the year Bono started, everyone said our defense looked like total shit in the preseason. Arizona smoked us similar to what happened tonight in the preseason. We went on to be 13-3. with an awesome defense. It's ****ing preseason. We didn't even attempt to run the ball for shit tonight. Our defense is playing very vanilla. Seen this before.


The upshot to all this is Romeo is getting this shit worked out in the preseason unlike Haley who waited until the season started.

yea it's preseason.

but everyone's been begging and hoping to see something out of Stanzi or anyone for that matter. But when it's another rookie on another team showing something, especially guys this FO could have taken a flyer on, it gets excused as preseason.

I know for a fact that if Foles or Wilson were currently in a CHIEFS UNIFORM doing these preseason performances that this place would be the complete opposite right now and everyone would have 10 inch boners over it.

But hey, just preseason

petegz28
08-24-2012, 11:54 PM
yea it's preseason.

but everyone's been begging and hoping to see something out of Stanzi or anyone for that matter. But when it's another rookie on another team showing something, especially guys this FO could have taken a flyer on, it gets excused as preseason.

I know for a fact that if Foles or Wilson were currently in a CHIEFS UNIFORM doing these preseason performances that this place would be the complete opposite right now and everyone would have 10 inch boners over it.

But hey, just preseason

Grass is always greener and what not

mr. tegu
08-24-2012, 11:54 PM
:facepalm:

Maturity level of Leaf compared to Wilson? Take a look.

http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/Seahawks-Daily---Wilson-Named-Starter/2947d925-6d39-464b-9d32-fc747601a082

So maturity is all it takes to succeed? Who knew! The point remains an epic failure of an NFL QB who had all the pedigree coming out, then succeeded in preseason, did not have a career because of that. Just like Wilson won't be anything because of preseason performance.

Chiefshrink
08-24-2012, 11:55 PM
Shit, I remember the year Bono started, everyone said our defense looked like total shit in the preseason. Arizona smoked us similar to what happened tonight in the preseason. We went on to be 13-3. with an awesome defense. It's ****ing preseason. We didn't even attempt to run the ball for shit tonight. Our defense is playing very vanilla. Seen this before.


The upshot to all this is Romeo is getting this shit worked out in the preseason unlike Haley who waited until the season started.

Pete my man, I love ya bro but I think Clay is right you are in denial and something tells me you bought that $199.00 NFL ticket DTV special and now you are trying to justify watching very potential shit this year. I don't blame ya man !

But something tells me the Falcons are going to come in here and repeat what the Bills did to us a year ago on opening day.

mcaj22
08-24-2012, 11:57 PM
Grass is always greener and what not

its not like we are talking about first round picks

this isnt complaining about Tyson Jackson over Mark Sanchez or Derrick Johnson over Aaron Rodgers what ifs. This talking about mid to late round picks that there is no reason to take a flyer on any of these QBs for the sake of trying, other than you want to protect your crappy starting QB in Cassel and want to avoid any chance of controversy. That fact they made him an incumbent starter with no competition versus a team like the Seahawks that have no problem playing Wilson if he is indeed better than what they are paying Matt Flynn is the difference in why the Chiefs are held back. Not saying Seattle is better but at least they are not afraid to take a ****ing chance.

okcchief
08-25-2012, 12:03 AM
Kudos to Seattle for signing a free agent and drafting competition. Go fucking figure. We've seen Matt Cassel can't play for 3 years and they bring competition straight in.

Three years to look at Cassel and two years to look at Stanzi and they bring in Brady Quinn.

I don't give a shit if it's this regime or the next, but fix the fucking problem. We are wasting an otherwise talented roster.

Fucking assholes!

JohnnyV13
08-25-2012, 12:04 AM
its not like we are talking about first round picks

this isnt complaining about Tyson Jackson over Mark Sanchez or Derrick Johnson over Aaron Rodgers what ifs. This talking about mid to late round picks that there is no reason to take a flyer on any of these QBs for the sake of trying, other than you want to protect your crappy starting QB in Cassel and want to avoid any chance of controversy. That fact they made him an incumbent starter with no competition versus a team like the Seahawks that have no problem playing Wilson if he is indeed better than what they are paying Matt Flynn is the difference in why the Chiefs are held back. Not saying Seattle is better but at least they are not afraid to take a ****ing chance.

I :clap: u. I wanted Wilson in the draft and was mad the Chiefs didn't take a shot with him.

greg63
08-25-2012, 12:04 AM
Simply wondering just how far down the rabbit hole goes.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 12:06 AM
I wonder how many people bitching about the Chiefs "not taking a shot on Wilson" were hoping the Chiefs would draft him before the 3rd round.

mr. tegu
08-25-2012, 12:14 AM
I wonder how many people bitching about the Chiefs "not taking a shot on Wilson" were hoping the Chiefs would draft him before the 3rd round.

The ironic thing is a large majority are likely the same people who say "we need to draft a first round QB!"

royr17
08-25-2012, 12:18 AM
Not only should they have taken Wilson in the draft but Cousins is doin well in Washington too, that was a player that I wanted the Chiefs to draft.

Chiefshrink
08-25-2012, 12:19 AM
So maturity is all it takes to succeed? Who knew! The point remains an epic failure of an NFL QB who had all the pedigree coming out, then succeeded in preseason, did not have a career because of that. Just like Wilson won't be anything because of preseason performance.

I get your point that it remains to be seen. But all the red flags(lack of emotional maturity and psychological problems) were there prior to the draft about Leaf and Ind saw them and avoided and SD ignored them because of allllllllllll this physical pedigree and need for a QB and got caught.

Understand that every college player at the combine takes the MMPI psych test that is damn near 600 questions asked several different ways to test for the lie factor on top of the psych eval. Jim Mora was having a difficult time deciding on Leaf or Manning and stated that Leaf had the edge physically but Manning seemed much mature and seem more committed to the game. Mora stated he wanted more in-depth info from Leaf's his high school and college days from a behavioral perspective off the field and he needed to see the final results of the MMPI and compare to Manning's MMPI.

Well he got the in-depth info of Leaf's off the field stuff and there was a lot 'drama queen BS' that correlated with his MMPI score that said this kid was an absolute mess. That was the deciding factor for Mora and why he went primarily with Manning because of his healthy MMPI psych eval. With all that being said, I would bet Wilson's MMPI psych eval is a helluva lot healthier than Leaf's and why Wilson will have a higher chance of succeeding in the NFL. But your bare bones comparison of just pre-season records alone is very disingenuous to say the least.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 12:35 AM
We were wanting to work the passing game alot tonight, which they did.

And what did we learn from basically being behind 44-7 with Matt Cassel at QB? Nothing we didn't already know. When we pass with him we are hosed. All 3 pre-season games have played out in the exact same pattern we have seen for his first three years here.

mr. tegu
08-25-2012, 12:39 AM
I get your point that it remains to be seen. But all the red flags(lack of emotional maturity and psychological problems) were there prior to the draft about Leaf and Ind saw them and avoided and SD ignored them because of allllllllllll this physical pedigree and need for a QB and got caught.

Understand that every college player at the combine takes the MMPI psych test that is damn near 600 questions asked several different ways to test for the lie factor on top of the psych eval. Jim Mora was having a difficult time deciding on Leaf or Manning and stated that Leaf had the edge physically but Manning seemed much mature and seem more committed to the game. Mora stated he wanted more in-depth info from Leaf's his high school and college days from a behavioral perspective off the field and he needed to see the final results of the MMPI and compare to Manning's MMPI.

Well he got the in-depth info of Leaf's off the field stuff and there was a lot 'drama queen BS' that correlated with his MMPI score that said this kid was an absolute mess. That was the deciding factor for Mora and why he went primarily with Manning because of his healthy MMPI psych eval. With all that being said, I would bet Wilson's MMPI psych eval is a helluva lot healthier than Leaf's and why Wilson will have a higher chance of succeeding in the NFL. But your bare bones comparison of just pre-season records alone is very disingenuous to say the least.

The guy was and is a tool. But he still was more physically gifted than Wilson. Your speculation about his mental makeup is just that: speculation. Eveb so Wilson will probably stay in the league longer than Leaf but it is ridiculous to fret and bitch that we should have taken him because he has had a good preseason.

Can he read complex defenses? Recognize blitzes and adjust the protection? Make accurate throws under pressure? Compensate for his height? Adjust to the speed of the NFL? Win under pressure? Nobody knows right now and to suggest otherwise because of his preseason is stupid. You can hope he can do those things until proven either way, but until then hope is all it is. He can be the most emotionally stable guy there is, but if he can't do those things a QB needs to do, it won't matter one bit.

Chiefshrink
08-25-2012, 12:42 AM
The guy was and is a tool. But he still was more physically gifted than Wilson. Your speculation about his mental makeup is just that: speculation. Eveb so Wilson will probably stay in the league longer than Leaf but it is ridiculous to fret and bitch that we should have taken him because he has had a good preseason.

Can he read complex defenses? Recognize blitzes and adjust the protection? Make accurate throws under pressure? Compensate for his height? Adjust to the speed of the NFL? Win under pressure? Nobody knows right now and to suggest otherwise because of his preseason is stupid. You can hope he can do those things until proven either way, but until then hope is all it is. He can be the most emotionally stable guy there is, but if he can't do those things a QB needs to do, it won't matter one bit.

Based on Wilson's last 3 games of pre-season would you have spent a 3rd round pick on him?

jd1020
08-25-2012, 12:47 AM
Based on Wilson's last 3 games of pre-season would you have spent a 3rd round pick on him?

Irrelevant because I wouldn't have spent a 3rd round on him before or during the draft. Take your hindsight and shove it up your ass.

Chiefshrink
08-25-2012, 01:05 AM
Irrelevant because I wouldn't have spent a 3rd round on him before or during the draft. Take your hindsight and shove it up your ass.

Are you Milktard's twin brother? Your anxiety about our Chiefs is definitely on display in pure displacement of anger here that we are still stuck with Cassel and the injury bug still plagues our D. But you learn from 20/20 hindsight, well at least some GMs did but apparently Pioli hasn't and thus your displaced anger.

Sorry for supposedly pissing in your beer.:shrug:

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:09 AM
Are you Milktard's twin brother? Your anxiety about our Chiefs is definitely on display in pure displacement of anger here that we are still stuck with Cassel and the injury bug still plagues our D. But you learn from 20/20 hindsight, well at least some GMs did but apparently Pioli hasn't and thus your displaced anger.

Sorry for supposedly pissing in your beer.:shrug:

I'm not angry. You are just ****ing retarded.

I bet if you were GM you would have spent the 1st overall pick on Tom Brady.

T-post Tom
08-25-2012, 01:20 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZakjFOJ1sew/T2xc2qEf33I/AAAAAAAALyg/j6siDqs_wDQ/s1600/Golden-Turd-Award.jpg

mcaj22
08-25-2012, 01:29 AM
so chiefs fans can homer up and get excited and excuse/defend the play of 5th round pick Stanzi, but turn around and say they wouldnt spend a 3rd on Wilson

get real. Stop acting in denial because the franchise keeps shitting the bed. If Wilson had these performances in preseason in a Chiefs uniform this place would be in heaven right now, same for Stanzi, that type of play in preseason from a young player at QB is what Chiefs fans have been wanting for years now. Stop acting like an armchair GM that you wouldnt take any QB in the mid to late round if it means a chance they show some potential and replace Cassel. You would, dont be stupid.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:39 AM
I'm acting like an armchair GM because I'm not playing the hindsight game?

Wanting a franchise QB has nothing to do with bashing the Chiefs for not using a 3rd round pick on a projected 5+ round QB.

Frazod
08-25-2012, 01:41 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZakjFOJ1sew/T2xc2qEf33I/AAAAAAAALyg/j6siDqs_wDQ/s1600/Golden-Turd-Award.jpg

The good news is there's plenty of room in the ol' trophy case for it. :spock:

Saccopoo
08-25-2012, 01:45 AM
Just curious but how did Russel Okung look against our defense?

Otter
08-25-2012, 01:48 AM
I wouldn't put too much stock into pre-season games but damn if that wasn't the south end of a north bound mule.

Tamba Hali is still a beast from what I saw. Talk to me game 8.

New World Order
08-25-2012, 01:57 AM
The guy was and is a tool. But he still was more physically gifted than Wilson. Your speculation about his mental makeup is just that: speculation. Eveb so Wilson will probably stay in the league longer than Leaf but it is ridiculous to fret and bitch that we should have taken him because he has had a good preseason.

Can he read complex defenses? Recognize blitzes and adjust the protection? Make accurate throws under pressure? Compensate for his height? Adjust to the speed of the NFL? Win under pressure? Nobody knows right now and to suggest otherwise because of his preseason is stupid. You can hope he can do those things until proven either way, but until then hope is all it is. He can be the most emotionally stable guy there is, but if he can't do those things a QB needs to do, it won't matter one bit.


Sure looks like it from what I have seen.


So if any future qb plays well his first 3 preseason games we should automatically compare him to Ryan Leaf? :hmmm:

the Talking Can
08-25-2012, 05:29 AM
Just curious but how did Russel Okung look against our defense?

pretty average...Hali beat his ass like a drum, but the walmart refs simply refused to call several blatant holds...and Wilson's mobility bailed him out

Turbin, on the other hand, looked like a stud and basically ran wild through the middle of our defense

and just a random editorial note, addressed to no one: our 2012 draft class looks ready to contribute basically nothing this year...which would be smart, if we already had a good team that had accomplished anything

meanwhile our starting defense was raped by a 3rd and 4th round pick

Guru
08-25-2012, 05:38 AM
Business as usual

FYP

scho63
08-25-2012, 05:51 AM
Positives:
McCluster
Charles
Berry not getting his knee blown out

Negatives:
The rest of the team with special mention to Jalil "slo-motion " Brown, the "O" line of swiss cheese, and the butterfingers of the rest of our receivers

Honorable mention to the refs who were the Seahawks twelfth man on the field all night

CupidStunt
08-25-2012, 06:14 AM
This is out-and-out a bad team. Nuff said really. QB is awful and that just kills the offense, basically. Running game will be great but won't be enough. Defense has lots of talent individually but it's all scattered and teams can, do and will expose the weak links. They'll run it up the gut with success, and they will target a weak link in the secondary and destroy it.

I think I called 7-9, but it's looking more like 5-11. Finally, at least, it should mean the end of Cassel.

Lightrise
08-25-2012, 06:48 AM
[QUOTE=petegz28;8850134]Well, break down the shitfest[/QUOTE

Conclusion:

1. It's always better to have an offensive minded head coach.
2. Daboll is a C at best
3. Too much pressure coming over our center, do we have a problem there?
4. McCluster has a home
5. Studebaker is this years version of kendrell bell
6. If we can't get a qb in the draft its going to be a safety
7. The WR coach should be fired
8. Do we even have a special teams coach?
9. Romeo said you don't have to practice tackling on defense it goes with the job. Oh really???
10. I'm losing confidence in Cassel. Ok, truthfully....he always has sucked

Dave Lane
08-25-2012, 07:44 AM
The upshot to all this is Romeo is getting this shit worked out in the preseason unlike Haley who waited until the season started.

And I didn't think you could get any dumber. Well surprise, surprise.

Dont make us change the lexicon to include Don't go full Pete.

R8RFAN
08-25-2012, 07:45 AM
Cassell can't do it by himself peeps

Dave Lane
08-25-2012, 07:52 AM
Also Romeo needs to get a good DC in here pronto because he sucks at being both. You think Pioli would have learned something,

WilliamTheIrish
08-25-2012, 07:56 AM
Same thoughts as Game 1 and Game 2:

Hapless owner

GM who appears as hapless as CP

A decent but unimpressive HC (who is surrounded by decent yet unimpressive coaches)

A terrible QB.

5-11
6-10

milkman
08-25-2012, 07:58 AM
I get your point that it remains to be seen. But all the red flags(lack of emotional maturity and psychological problems) were there prior to the draft about Leaf and Ind saw them and avoided and SD ignored them because of allllllllllll this physical pedigree and need for a QB and got caught.

Understand that every college player at the combine takes the MMPI psych test that is damn near 600 questions asked several different ways to test for the lie factor on top of the psych eval. Jim Mora was having a difficult time deciding on Leaf or Manning and stated that Leaf had the edge physically but Manning seemed much mature and seem more committed to the game. Mora stated he wanted more in-depth info from Leaf's his high school and college days from a behavioral perspective off the field and he needed to see the final results of the MMPI and compare to Manning's MMPI.

Well he got the in-depth info of Leaf's off the field stuff and there was a lot 'drama queen BS' that correlated with his MMPI score that said this kid was an absolute mess. That was the deciding factor for Mora and why he went primarily with Manning because of his healthy MMPI psych eval. With all that being said, I would bet Wilson's MMPI psych eval is a helluva lot healthier than Leaf's and why Wilson will have a higher chance of succeeding in the NFL. But your bare bones comparison of just pre-season records alone is very disingenuous to say the least.

Well I'll be damned.

You finally made a post that wasn't full of absolute bullshit.

Bwana
08-25-2012, 08:00 AM
I started having computer problems (some screwed up driver) just as the game started, so all I caught was the final score on NFL network. I would seem they got curb stomped. It should be a fun day for me, because my next door neighbor is a Sea Chicken fan. Oh well, if he gets out of hand, I can always take him on a one way fishing trip. ;)

With all that being said, they have some serious work to do before the season opener and I hope we see a different team opening day.

bevischief
08-25-2012, 08:01 AM
Well, break down the shitfest

Thread over.

milkman
08-25-2012, 08:03 AM
The guy was and is a tool. But he still was more physically gifted than Wilson. Your speculation about his mental makeup is just that: speculation. Eveb so Wilson will probably stay in the league longer than Leaf but it is ridiculous to fret and bitch that we should have taken him because he has had a good preseason.

Can he read complex defenses? Recognize blitzes and adjust the protection? Make accurate throws under pressure? Compensate for his height? Adjust to the speed of the NFL? Win under pressure? Nobody knows right now and to suggest otherwise because of his preseason is stupid. You can hope he can do those things until proven either way, but until then hope is all it is. He can be the most emotionally stable guy there is, but if he can't do those things a QB needs to do, it won't matter one bit.

It has been reported that Bobby Beathard had a full psych eval done on Leaf before the draft, and the recommendation by the evaluator was to stay as far away from Leaf as possible, because there was no way in hell that he had the mental makeup to succeed in the pressure filled situation of the NFL.


And no, I don't have a link.
It was from several years ago.

milkman
08-25-2012, 08:12 AM
so chiefs fans can homer up and get excited and excuse/defend the play of 5th round pick Stanzi, but turn around and say they wouldnt spend a 3rd on Wilson

get real. Stop acting in denial because the franchise keeps shitting the bed. If Wilson had these performances in preseason in a Chiefs uniform this place would be in heaven right now, same for Stanzi, that type of play in preseason from a young player at QB is what Chiefs fans have been wanting for years now. Stop acting like an armchair GM that you wouldnt take any QB in the mid to late round if it means a chance they show some potential and replace Cassel. You would, dont be stupid.

I can sit here and say that I would have taken Nick Foles given the chance, because I said early on last year that I really liked his game.

I can sit here and say that I would would have taken Ryan Lindley, because he was a guy that I thought was sleeper in this draft.

But if I say that I would have taken Russel Wilson in the third round, I'd be a disingenuous bitch, because I didn't believe for a second he was NFL material.

Dayze
08-25-2012, 08:34 AM
My wife said "how come Cassel only throws like 6yards and the other guy throw it farther than the first down". Million dollar question

Coogs
08-25-2012, 08:39 AM
Cassell can't do it by himself peeps

He had a chance to pass it and catch it too. But he batted it down instead. :shrug:

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 08:50 AM
Leaf's first preseason game: 14 of 19, 143 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INT. Now stop playing the hindsight game.

we'll talk more as the season gets going. :D

Simplicity
08-25-2012, 09:10 AM
Preseason. /thread

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 09:25 AM
As always, F this franchise for addressing the glaring hole at QB with Brady Quinn.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 09:27 AM
Preseason. /thread

If we were the Giant's, Packers, Pats, etc., then then this would probably be a more relevant post.

But we are not. No playoff wins since Joe Montana.

And our first string has just had their collective asses handed to them by the Rams and the Seahawks. Let that soak in minute. The Rams and the Seahawks.

And yes, it is preseason. But some warning bells and lights should be ringing and flashing at the very least.

mikey23545
08-25-2012, 09:50 AM
This crap about "vanilla this" and "vanilla that" from certain posters is starting to piss me off.

Are other teams game planning the Chiefs? Does anyone have any proof of this unlikely circumstance?

And if they aren't, why aren't the Chiefs on equal footing with the other teams?

notorious
08-25-2012, 09:52 AM
A good team running vanilla should still move the ball against the Lambs and the Seachickens.

R8RFAN
08-25-2012, 09:56 AM
It's still preseason people... Relax

mdchiefsfan
08-25-2012, 09:59 AM
What bothered me the most in the last two games is that fact that we didn't come out using our strengths on offense. We came out and tried to get Matt to throw all over the place. Matt can't make passes into tight windows. His success is dependent on our run game being effective. When we don't establish the run play-action has no value. We need to establish the run then go to the pass.

We didn't see much of Hillis this game which was strange. I am left thinking we were experimenting with something. Hopefully the offense will be better when the games count.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:05 AM
A good team running vanilla should still move the ball against the Lambs and the Seachickens.

First four drives, and I use the word "drives" loosely, looked like this...

3 plays for -8 yards
6 plays for 13 yards
3 plays for -10 yards
3 plays for 8 yards

That's 4 posessions, 15 plays, for a total of 3 yards.

Score 16-0 Seahawks. Midway through the 2nd frame. :facepalm:

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 10:09 AM
It's still preseason people... Relax

easier said than done when the Chiefs lay this clonker on us.

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 10:11 AM
This crap about "vanilla this" and "vanilla that" from certain posters is starting to piss me off.

Are other teams game planning the Chiefs? Does anyone have any proof of this unlikely circumstance?

And if they aren't, why aren't the Chiefs on equal footing with the other teams?

speaking of Vanilla, this Chiefs team looks softer than a container of Vanilla Pudding.

Baconeater
08-25-2012, 10:12 AM
Preseason. /thread
What's the excuse going to be when Atlanta throttles us in week 1? That it's only week 1?

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:13 AM
speaking of Vanilla, this Chiefs team looks softer than a container of Vanilla Pudding.

:LOL:

jd1020
08-25-2012, 10:13 AM
What's the excuse going to be when Atlanta throttles us in week 1? That it's only week 1?

0-1 in the first quarter. Still 3 games to go!

J Diddy
08-25-2012, 10:16 AM
What bothered me the most in the last two games is that fact that we didn't come out using our strengths on offense. We came out and tried to get Matt to throw all over the place. Matt can't make passes into tight windows. His success is dependent on our run game being effective. When we don't establish the run play-action has no value. We need to establish the run then go to the pass.

We didn't see much of Hillis this game which was strange. I am left thinking we were experimenting with something. Hopefully the offense will be better when the games count.

Perhaps we were working on a specific part of the game...

R8RFAN
08-25-2012, 10:16 AM
easier said than done when the Chiefs lay this clonker on us.


Seriously, I think it's total experiment time and Bowe was still rusty...

Don't get me wrong, it's funny as hell when this place goes into Nuclear mode though. LMAO

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 10:17 AM
Perhaps we were working on a specific part of the game...

yeah, losing.

mdchiefsfan
08-25-2012, 10:18 AM
yeah, losing.

I'll call it getting more offensive snaps lol

R8RFAN
08-25-2012, 10:18 AM
It has been said the Raiders actually game planned for tonight's game so I will get to see first hand where they are....

R8RFAN
08-25-2012, 10:20 AM
I am beginning to wonder though if it's not time for Quinn to be the starter and Matt to come off the bench. Quinn would take his lumps at first but he throws a pretty decent ball.

TEX
08-25-2012, 10:21 AM
It has been said the Raiders actually game planned for tonight's game so I will get to see first hand where they are....

It's easy to gameplan to suck. KC seems to be very good at it. Hope you guys are even better! Good luck!

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 10:24 AM
I am beginning to wonder though if it's not time for Quinn to be the starter and Matt to come off the bench. Quinn would take his lumps at first but he throws a pretty decent ball.

yeah, when Cassel's teammates act the way they did when he hit the ground during the TD celebration, i say it's time for a change.

he's never had control of this team as a leader, that Chevy Chase fall proves it.

KC Tattoo
08-25-2012, 10:27 AM
speaking of Vanilla, this Chiefs team looks softer than a container of Vanilla Pudding.

If we were running a vanilla offense then the Seahawks were using raspberry jam on defense.

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FringeNC
08-25-2012, 10:28 AM
What's going to be really irritating is listening to the praise Cassel is going to get in games in which we run wild, and he hits a few WRs and TEs in broken coverage for TDs. We all know how this will end: hideous games from Cassel when our running game isn't going.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:28 AM
I am beginning to wonder though if it's not time for Quinn to be the starter and Matt to come off the bench. Quinn would take his lumps at first but he throws a pretty decent ball.

Sign me up!

O.city
08-25-2012, 10:29 AM
It does in fact make you wonder what will be the breaking point for Cassel. Why does he have to do to get benched

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 10:35 AM
What bothered me the most in the last two games is that fact that we didn't come out using our strengths on offense. We came out and tried to get Matt to throw all over the place. Matt can't make passes into tight windows. His success is dependent on our run game being effective. When we don't establish the run play-action has no value. We need to establish the run then go to the pass.

We didn't see much of Hillis this game which was strange. I am left thinking we were experimenting with something. Hopefully the offense will be better when the games count.

Don't worry man. The plan was to put the offense in adverse situations. What we saw out there will be good for us in the long run. We are obviously built to run the football and I have no doubt we will when the season starts.

Good teams win when they play bad. I think that's the lesson. There are no excuses. I think Romeo wants the mistakes to happen now. I think he wanted to chew their ass after the game last night. I remember reading that one time last year he went off on the team at halftime and put Haley to shame. He's got in him. He just doesn't show it in public.

FringeNC
08-25-2012, 10:36 AM
It does in fact make you wonder what will be the breaking point for Cassel. Why does he have to do to get benched

With a healthy JC and PH, Cassel will have enough good games that the bad games will just be excused away. This will be a repeat of 2010.

suds79
08-25-2012, 10:36 AM
It does in fact make you wonder what will be the breaking point for Cassel. What does he have to do to get benched

Outside of getting injured? Nothing. It's a sad reality.

J Diddy
08-25-2012, 10:39 AM
It does in fact make you wonder what will be the breaking point for Cassel. Why does he have to do to get benched

I don't think that Cassel did too bad last night. Sure he had some errant passes, and his electric boogaloo twisty thing made me cringe, but he was the victim of dropped passes on quite a few of them.

DBOSHO
08-25-2012, 10:41 AM
Cassel reminds me of the boss in the movie "Waiting"

He would be the guy to ask for directions to a party only to have bowe or charles give him the wrong adress.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 10:43 AM
It does in fact make you wonder what will be the breaking point for Cassel. Why does he have to do to get benched

The only way he gets benched is if we start 0-4 and that won't happen. Romeo and Pioli's future in KC depends completely on Cassel's play. There is no other option. Brady Quinn has had his chance and he didn't do half of what Cassel has done.

You guys are going to have to get behind Cassel. There is no other option this year. I still think he is on the verge of a career season. It's not that I like the guy because I think he is pretty blah. I'm just being realistic.

Unfortunately, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with the fans. If he wins, he'll get too much credit from the media. If he loses. he'll be overanalyzed and take the brunt of the blame by the fans. However, that's how it goes for QBs.

All I know is that we are going to be good. If we are winning, who gives a **** who the QB is? Wouldn't it have been nice to have been a Denver fan last year? They had a good season and won a playoff game at home.

We just need to win games. It's about winning and getting better. Getting better is winning a playoff game - that's got to be the goal this year.

FringeNC
08-25-2012, 10:45 AM
The Chiefs offense is going to look like Miami's last year with Matt Moore. I thought Daboll schemed really well and made Moore look like a good QB. Moore, of course, is better than Cassel, but the difference is probably not all that big, and we have a better supporting cast. We'll have at least an average NFL offense this year, but as argued a couple post earlier, we know how this is going to end.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:45 AM
I don't think that Cassel did too bad last night. Sure he had some errant passes, and his electric boogaloo twisty thing made me cringe, but he was the victim of dropped passes on quite a few of them.

JFC! He started the game 1-5 for 8 yards with 2 sacks on top of that, down 16-0, with the varsity.

Stanzi took an ass beating around here last week, and our starter gets an "don't think that Cassel did too bad"! :facepalm:

KCUnited
08-25-2012, 10:46 AM
It does in fact make you wonder what will be the breaking point for Cassel. Why does he have to do to get benched

Pioli has created a scenario where the alternative won't allow for such.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 10:47 AM
JFC! He started the game 1-5 for 8 yards with 2 sacks on top of that, down 16-0, with the varsity.

Stanzi took an ass beating around here last week, and our starter gets an "don't think that Cassel did too bad"! :facepalm:

Probably because the start to the game had more to do with the receivers than Cassel?

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:48 AM
The only way he gets benched is if we start 0-4 and that won't happen. Romeo and Pioli's future in KC depends completely on Cassel's play. There is no other option. Brady Quinn has had his chance and he didn't do half of what Cassel has done.

You guys are going to have to get behind Cassel. There is no other option this year. I still think he is on the verge of a career season. It's not that I like the guy because I think he is pretty blah. I'm just being realistic.

Unfortunately, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with the fans. If he wins, he'll get too much credit from the media. If he loses. he'll be overanalyzed and take the brunt of the blame by the fans. However, that's how it goes for QBs.

All I know is that we are going to be good. If we are winning, who gives a **** who the QB is? Wouldn't it have been nice to have been a Denver fan last year? They had a good season and won a playoff game at home.

We just need to win games. It's about winning and getting better. Getting better is winning a playoff game - that's got to be the goal this year.

Just to refresh your memory, in the 10 games that we won in 2010 vs the 8 games that Denver won last season with Tebow at the helm, we actually rushed the ball nearly 15 yards a game more than Denver did.

suzzer99
08-25-2012, 10:49 AM
My wife said "how come Cassel only throws like 6yards and the other guy throw it farther than the first down". Million dollar question

Have Trent Green come over to explain to her that it's not about yards per completion, but about moving the chains. Passing downfield highly overrated.

GloryDayz
08-25-2012, 10:49 AM
If we were running a vanilla offense then the Seahawks were using raspberry jam on defense.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/IH-80fXjM6s?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This was the best part of last night's game! LOL!

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 10:50 AM
Pioli has created a scenario where the alternative won't allow for such.

You might be right? If he really wanted Cassel to have competition he would have signed Orton, Campbell, or Garrard. I really wanted one of those guys.

This has always been the case from the beginning. it's why he traded Thigpen. He knew we were going to suck in 2009 and people would be calling for Thigpen.

I said it then and I'll say it now.... Pioli's career is tied at the hip with Cassel. He wanted it this way and you got to give him credit because he believes in the guy.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:50 AM
Probably because the start to the game had more to do with the receivers than Cassel?

I read somewhere that a good/great QB was supposed to be able to elevate the level of play in the players around him.

GloryDayz
08-25-2012, 10:50 AM
As for the game.....I'm sorry I left the High School game to get the young one home for bed!

jd1020
08-25-2012, 10:51 AM
I read somewhere that a good/great QB was supposed to be able to elevate the level of play in the players around him.

Not even Aaron Rodgers can catch the ball for his receivers. McCluster is the only receiver right now that you can expect to catch the ball.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:52 AM
Not even Aaron Rodgers can catch the ball for his receivers. McCluster is the only receiver right now that you can expect to catch the ball.

But yet the receivers are supposed to catch it for Stanzi?

jd1020
08-25-2012, 10:52 AM
But yet the receivers are supposed to catch it for Stanzi?

Huh?

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 10:53 AM
Just to refresh your memory, in the 10 games that we won in 2010 vs the 8 games that Denver won last season with Tebow at the helm, we actually rushed the ball nearly 15 yards a game more than Denver did.

I'm not sure I get your angle? Baltimore beat our ass at home in the playoffs. We need to win a playoff game and it would be nice to do it in Arrowhead. The biggest issue we have right now is our failure to win a playoff game. If you want to be on the map, you have to do this. I guess that my argument is that if you are a Chief's fan, this should be your goal. This is much more important than who is playing what position.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:54 AM
Huh? Nevermind.

KCUnited
08-25-2012, 10:56 AM
You might be right? If he really wanted Cassel to have competition he would have signed Orton, Campbell, or Garrard. I really wanted one of those guys.

This has always been the case from the beginning. it's why he traded Thigpen. He knew we were going to suck in 2009 and people would be calling for Thigpen.

I said it then and I'll say it now.... Pioli's career is tied at the hip with Cassel. He wanted it this way and you got to give him credit because he believes in the guy.

I won't give Pioli credit for handicapping this team to stand by a decision he's made. He has given Cassel everything, a yes man, non confrontational head coach, 1st and 2nd round weapons, a rebuilt offensive line, 0 competition. It's an assbackwards way to build a team.

milkman
08-25-2012, 10:58 AM
Not even Aaron Rodgers can catch the ball for his receivers. McCluster is the only receiver right now that you can expect to catch the ball.

But QBs that get the ball to their receivers accurately and on time make the receiver's job easier.

There is only one Larry Fitzgerald.

Even Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson struggle to maintain focus when they are catching passes from mediocre QBs that struggle with accuracy and timing.

There's a reason that Marcus Colston and Devery Henderson make plays.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 10:59 AM
I'm not sure I get your angle? Baltimore beat our ass at home in the playoffs. We need to win a playoff game and it would be nice to do it in Arrowhead. The biggest issue we have right now is our failure to win a playoff game. If you want to be on the map, you have to do this. I guess that my argument is that if you are a Chief's fan, this should be your goal. This is much more important than who is playing what position.

You want us to get behind Cassel.

Tebow was chastised as a starter because the Bronco's could not win if they could not run the ball. Same thing here for the most part. Are Cassel and Tebow different? Yes. But they are a lot similar as well.

Me, I'd just as soon not get behind Cassel. I'm ready to get behind someone else. Hell, even Quinn.

MahiMike
08-25-2012, 10:59 AM
So I see this thread is ending up like all threads - blaming it on Cassel. How many points has Cassel given up while playing defense the last 2 games?

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 11:00 AM
I won't give Pioli credit for handicapping this team to stand by a decision he's made. He has given Cassel everything, a yes man, non confrontational head coach, 1st and 2nd round weapons, a rebuilt offensive line, 0 competition. It's an assbackwards way to build a team.

I see where you are coming from but, Clark hired him to do it his way. He has completely changed the entire culture and has made us competitive. Clark isn't going to micro manage him. Pioli doesn't think he could have gotten a better QB or he would have. He called Manning.

If we have a losing season, I am confident Clark will fire him. If Cassel get us a playoff win this year, Pioli will look like a genius. If he doesn't Pioli will be held accountable imo.

KCChiefsFan88
08-25-2012, 11:01 AM
Paging all the dumbshits who pump the Fat Scott talking points out... "Preseason doesn't matter", "We are in an ongoing process", BLAH BLAH BLAH.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 11:02 AM
But QBs that get the ball to their receivers accurately and on time make the receiver's job easier.

There is only one Larry Fitzgerald.

Even Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson struggle to maintain focus when they are catching passes from mediocre QBs that struggle with accuracy and timing.

There's a reason that Marcus Colston and Devery Henderson make plays.

Accuracy was not an issue with Cassel last night.

He was hitting guys in their hands/guts. Chiefs WRs were just dropping the ball left and right.

Cassel actually played pretty well last night, imo. He was stepping up in the pocket, extending the plays, and finding someone to hit downfield (usually McCluster). He had a couple bone headed typical Cassel plays. But other than that this game is not on him.

The Defense shit the bed for the 2nd straight game and anyone not named McCluster couldn't catch a cold.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 11:04 AM
You want us to get behind Cassel.

Tebow was chastised as a starter because the Bronco's could not win if they could not run the ball. Same thing here for the most part. Are Cassel and Tebow different? Yes. But they are a lot similar as well.

Me, I'd just as soon not get behind Cassel. I'm ready to get behind someone else. Hell, even Quinn.

So you would rather just suck this year so we can get a first round QB for the sake of getting one? You want to completely roll the dice on everything that has been build since the beginning of the rebuild in 2008? What you want is far riskier than Matt Cassel. In fact, the odds are that your first round QB will be worse. Andrew Lucks only come around about once every 30 years. I want to win. I don't want to fold and anti up again.

KCChiefsFan88
08-25-2012, 11:05 AM
If we have a losing season, I am confident Clark will fire him.

Why are you confident Clark will fire Fat Scott if the Chiefs have a losing season?

The Hunt family gives GM's a 20 year minimum.

KCUnited
08-25-2012, 11:06 AM
So you would rather just suck this year so we can get a first round QB for the sake of getting one? You want to completely roll the dice on everything that has been build since the beginning of the rebuild in 2008? What you want is far riskier than Matt Cassel. In fact, the odds are that your first round QB will be worse. Andrew Lucks only come around about once every 30 years. I want to win. I don't want to fold and anti up again.

You realize we just got pantsed by a 3rd round QB right?

milkman
08-25-2012, 11:19 AM
Accuracy was not an issue with Cassel last night.

He was hitting guys in their hands/guts. Chiefs WRs were just dropping the ball left and right.

Cassel actually played pretty well last night, imo. He was stepping up in the pocket, extending the plays, and finding someone to hit downfield (usually McCluster). He had a couple bone headed typical Cassel plays. But other than that this game is not on him.

The Defense shit the bed for the 2nd straight game and anyone not named McCluster couldn't catch a cold.

You don't fully undesratnd and appreciate the problem.

We are constantly praising Tony Moaeki and Bowe for making the difficult catches, the highlight reel catches.

The problem is that Cassel is so inconsistent in getting the ball to his receivers on time and accurately, that when he does, that's when those guys lose their focus, because they see an opportunity to make something happen.

They start to look at their next move before they have secured the catch.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 11:20 AM
Sorry. I'm not going to make an excuse for a receiver dropping a ball because "he's not used to it being on target." I don't care if it's Tebow throwing the ball with his sub 50% completions. If its on target and hits both of your hands, catch the fucking ball.

the Talking Can
08-25-2012, 11:22 AM
Don't worry man. The plan was to put the offense in adverse situations. What we saw out there will be good for us in the long run. We are obviously built to run the football and I have no doubt we will when the season starts.

Good teams win when they play bad. I think that's the lesson. There are no excuses. I think Romeo wants the mistakes to happen now. I think he wanted to chew their ass after the game last night. I remember reading that one time last year he went off on the team at halftime and put Haley to shame. He's got in him. He just doesn't show it in public.

where do you come up with this nonsense? this is pure made up baloney and gibberish...