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RunKC
08-25-2012, 01:48 AM
Sam Mellinger | One team looks better at QB, and it’s not Chiefs
BY SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/24/3778600/seo-headline.html#storylink=cpy

You could run your finger up and down the Chiefs roster and wherever you choose to stop be fairly certain it will be on a player who looked rotten in what is traditionally the least unimportant preseason game. The frustration is real but might be fleeting.

Fifteen days separate the despair of this morning from the hope of the season opener, and that’s like two months in NFL time. But the Chiefs were absolutely throttled by the Seahawks, 44-14, and whatever the maximum amount of concern you think is appropriate for a preseason game that included no torn knees is appropriate for this one.

This was embarrassing, but there’s time for much of it to fade.

Here’s something that’s not going anywhere before the season opener, and probably not for long after: the Chiefs are four years into making up for a limited quarterback in a league full of better options.

Like, you know, Russell Wilson.

Six months ago, Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli made a point to promise better quarterback competition.

Five months ago, the Seahawks signed free agent Matt Flynn to a $19 million contract.

Four months ago, the Seahawks drafted Wilson in the third round.

They did it one pick after the Chiefs took an offensive lineman they think might play — next year. In other words: the Chiefs talked it, and the Seahawks walked it.

At a time like this, you can focus on any one of a million things to be ticked off about with the Chiefs. Brandon Flowers’ injury is showing no signs of healing, and Jalil Brown is showing no signs of being up to the job. The Chiefs didn’t force as much as one punt in until Tarvaris Jackson played the fourth quarter. Tamba Hali was called for two personal fouls. Dwayne Bowe didn’t impress, Tony Moeaki whiffed on some catches, and Andy Studebaker whiffed on some tackles.

But as much as Matt Cassel looked comfortable in the first two preseason games, he took a significant jump back in what’s supposed to be the preseason game that matters — a little bit, at least.

He completed virtually nothing but short passes, got points just once in seven possessions, and turned the ball over twice. Even when he threw a touchdown to Dexter McCluster, the celebration jump left him landing on his rear. It was like an entire evening spent highlighting his biggest weaknesses.

On the other side, Wilson was everything the Chiefs haven’t had in a quarterback in the better part of a decade. He completed 13 of 19 passes for two touchdowns and no interceptions and two brilliant scrambles for 58 yards. Even if you take away the throw to Kellen Winslow on a blown coverage, it was a terrific night.

It was the kind of night Chiefs fans thought they might get more of when Pioli talked about improving the quarterback situation.

Those hopes went from Peyton Manning to someone in the draft to signing Brady Quinn — who replaced Cassel midway through the Chiefs’ eighth possession — as some sort of stand-in for legitimate competition.

Pioli did a lot of good in the offseason. Most around the team agreed Romeo Crennel was the right choice as permanent head coach. Eric Winston is an enormous improvement at right tackle. Peyton Hillis, Kevin Boss and Stanford Routt are all promising additions.

But there was effectively nothing done at quarterback — the Chiefs actually took a step back losing Kyle Orton to free agency.

And that, again, will be a major takeaway for Chiefs fans when the team fails like this.

If Wilson wins the Seahawks’ job — and the Chiefs gave him a highlight tape — he would be one of 15 quarterbacks drafted after Pioli took over in Kansas City to be a starting quarterback when the season starts. The Chiefs passed over five of those quarterbacks.

So much of what we saw on Friday night is light enough to blow in the NFL’s temperamental breeze. What looked promising two weeks ago looks awful right now and might look promising again two weeks from now.

But games like this, when Cassel fails and quarterbacks the Chiefs passed over succeed will weigh around this team’s neck like an anvil.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/24/3778600/seo-headline.html#storylink=cpy

New World Order
08-25-2012, 01:51 AM
Couldnt agree more. It's all flat passes or 7 yard comeback routes, we never see a deep post, usually he only throws the ball downfield when he feels that the receiver is completely wide open. Not too many times have we seen him make tight throws into windows 15-20 yards down the field. If you want to score points in the NFL you need big plays, and Cassel loves to throw 4-5 yard passes.

BWillie
08-25-2012, 01:53 AM
Mellinger is such a blah sports writer. Whitlock would have concocted some racial undertone to grab attention

Guru
08-25-2012, 01:53 AM
Now that is putting the hammer down.

RunKC
08-25-2012, 01:54 AM
Did anybody see the play where Cassel threw the ball to Jonathan Baldwin on a comeback pass in the backfield?

Glad we drafted Baldwin so high for that reason:doh!:

KCtotheSB
08-25-2012, 01:54 AM
Give Cassel some more time. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the NFL will tell you that you can't accurately judge a quarterback until at least Year 8.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2012, 02:00 AM
I still can't believe Pioli left the booth less than a minute after Cassel fumbled. He was sitting in the booth bragging about Cassel for 8 or 9 plays and then as soon as Cassel fumbles they cut to commercial and Pioli leaves as soon as the game came back on.

That would have pissed me off.

New World Order
08-25-2012, 02:01 AM
Give Cassel some more time. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the NFL will tell you that you can't accurately judge a quarterback until at least Year 8.




lol

RunKC
08-25-2012, 02:11 AM
I still can't believe Pioli left the booth less than a minute after Cassel fumbled. He was sitting in the booth bragging about Cassel for 8 or 9 plays and then as soon as Cassel fumbles they cut to commercial and Pioli leaves as soon as the game came back on.

That would have pissed me off.

I lol'd so hard at that moment.

AZORChiefFan
08-25-2012, 02:17 AM
It's like everyone outside 1 Arrowhead Drive realizes or at least isn't blind to Cassel's limitations. I've seen too many passes out in the flats. The first read isn't there - turn and throw into the flat. Too many comeback routes, too many passes into double or triple coverage. I've seen too many passes arrive late thus negating any chance for YAC or worse allowing the DB/LB to recover and knock the ball away, tip it or int. I've seen too many plays where things 'go south' and the bed gets shat in.

Sure the receivers/backs could help Matty out by not dropping balls. I agree. However when nearly every throw is not on target or late it makes their job that much harder. Yes they are paid to catch the ball. Matty is paid to throw the ball Accurately and on time.

Show me a good/great QB that makes it harder for his receivers to catch the ball.

Good/great QB's help their receivers by throwing a catchable ball.

saphojunkie
08-25-2012, 02:20 AM
Paging Tyler Wilson. Tyler Wilson, please report to the Chiefs' draft room. Tyler Wilson, to the Chiefs' draft room.

Chief_For_Life58
08-25-2012, 02:44 AM
we need to use our first 4 picks in next years draft on qbs

Otter
08-25-2012, 02:55 AM
This really shouldn't be a surprise at this point. Serviceable QB that needs a great running game and defense to succeed.

Welcome new Chiefs fans!

Coach
08-25-2012, 03:20 AM
The one thing that EVERYONE should know that KC does not have complete confidence (as if there was any to begin with anyways) was that they were in a 3rd and what, 7 or 8 situation, and what did they call?

A fucking draw.

The cat burglar called a shit-ton of those calls last year, because he has no faith in Cassel, and I cannot blame him one bit for that. I don't even have any faith in Cassel at all.

Chocolate Hog
08-25-2012, 03:25 AM
The one thing that EVERYONE should know that KC does not have complete confidence (as if there was any to begin with anyways) was that they were in a 3rd and what, 7 or 8 situation, and what did they call?

A fucking draw.

The cat burglar called a shit-ton of those calls last year, because he has no faith in Cassel, and I cannot blame him one bit for that. I don't even have any faith in Cassel at all.

I think you're putting too much stock into pre season play calling. Hillis ran twice Charles got a few carries and they only threw a few to bowe. It looked like daboll was doing some experimenting.

Coach
08-25-2012, 03:43 AM
I think you're putting too much stock into pre season play calling. Hillis ran twice Charles got a few carries and they only threw a few to bowe. It looked like daboll was doing some experimenting.

Pre-season or not, the whole team sucked, period. They all were unprepared to play. The whole fucking football team blew it today. So many fucking opportunities that just was fucking wasted.

That fucking draw play tells everybody in the world that they have ZERO confidence in Cassel, yet we keep that little fucker around every year. Why is that? Oh right, because Pioli needs someone to wax him off. Then letting the goddamn rookie perform like he's a damned All-Pro, shredding our defense and doing things that Cassel could only dream. Along with Daboll's bizarre fetish of dumpoff/checkdowns is just getting really old quickly. And to top it off, our dumbassery Quarterback can't even celebrate right, as he just was high and away from his intended target and landed right on his ass.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/265386/casselfail.gif

So much fucking fail, right there.

And I never understood why our General Manager is trying his damnest to try to make Matt Cassel become a fucking hero every fucking time. The Chiefs sure as hell didn't help themselves by doing nothing to address the most important position. Pioli needs to fucking man up, and admit his mistake, cut that fruity bastard from this team, and find a legitimate QB that can at LEAST perform better than Cassel can.

If I was Clark Hunt, I would tell Pioli "If Matt Cassel is the starting QB next year, I will wipe that fucking dumb-ass smile off of your rosey fucking, cheeks, then I would have you escorted to your fucking automobile: your fucking Jaguar, your fucking BMW, your fucking Mustang, or a fucking Buick! Doesn't matter, it's just four fucking wheels and a seat! And I will find me a new fucking general manager who knows how to properly identify a fucking quarterback."

brorth
08-25-2012, 07:06 AM
I think you're putting too much stock into pre season play calling. Hillis ran twice Charles got a few carries and they only threw a few to bowe. It looked like daboll was doing some experimenting.

Shitbag.

InChiefsHell
08-25-2012, 07:16 AM
right at the end of the gif, Baldwin sort of looks over at Matt like "Really??"

threebag02
08-25-2012, 07:18 AM
I think you're putting too much stock into pre season play calling. Hillis ran twice Charles got a few carries and they only threw a few to bowe. It looked like daboll was doing some experimenting.

Experimenting, well he should just start covering it with sand. It looks like shit smells like shit smears like shit. It's shit.

dannybcaitlyn
08-25-2012, 07:21 AM
Im really missing Orton now. Pioli was suppose to have competition but just brought in backups.
This team will never be able to come from behind with this coach killer Qb pioli has given us. King of dink and dunk you piece of s***!

bevischief
08-25-2012, 07:24 AM
we need to use our first 4 picks in next years draft on qbs

Just die noob.

bevischief
08-25-2012, 07:28 AM
I stop watching the after the Seahawks scored their first TD....

Marcellus
08-25-2012, 07:32 AM
He pretty much nails the article, one of Hali's penalties was such a travesty its hard to even comprehend though.

Dave Lane
08-25-2012, 07:40 AM
I stop watching the after the Seahawks scored their first TD....

Well then good news for you. The Atlanta game you will probably only have to watch for 30 seconds or so.

milkman
08-25-2012, 07:43 AM
It's like everyone outside 1 Arrowhead Drive realizes or at least isn't blind to Cassel's limitations. I've seen too many passes out in the flats. The first read isn't there - turn and throw into the flat. Too many comeback routes, too many passes into double or triple coverage. I've seen too many passes arrive late thus negating any chance for YAC or worse allowing the DB/LB to recover and knock the ball away, tip it or int. I've seen too many plays where things 'go south' and the bed gets shat in.

Sure the receivers/backs could help Matty out by not dropping balls. I agree. However when nearly every throw is not on target or late it makes their job that much harder. Yes they are paid to catch the ball. Matty is paid to throw the ball Accurately and on time.

Show me a good/great QB that makes it harder for his receivers to catch the ball.

Good/great QB's help their receivers by throwing a catchable ball.

That's something that I've talked about.

Matt Cassel, and every other QB that Bowe has worked with since being drafted by the Chiefs, are guys with weak arms and marginal accuracy.

It's tough to maintain focus and concentration on the ball play after play, after play, after play.

At some point, you're going to lose that focus because yo are trying to make a play.

Lightrise
08-25-2012, 07:44 AM
First, letting Orton go will prove a huge mistake. Frankly, this game may have been entirely different if Flowers and Lewis played.

ChiefsNow
08-25-2012, 07:48 AM
Wilson had ice bags on both elbows after his effort. Short lived fame?

milkman
08-25-2012, 07:53 AM
First, letting Orton go will prove a huge mistake. Frankly, this game may have been entirely different if Flowers and Lewis played.

The fact remains, this team can not compete with teams that can pass the ball.

You can compete if your O-Line isn't among the best (Steelers, Packers, Giants).

You can compete if your receivers are pedestrian (Pats).

You can compete if your defenses isn't top half of the league (Pats, Saints).

The one and only absolute necessity to be a SB contender in the NFL in this day and age is QB.

We don't have one.

bevischief
08-25-2012, 07:57 AM
So who are we sucking for this year?

ILChief
08-25-2012, 08:05 AM
Paging Tyler Wilson. Tyler Wilson, please report to the Chiefs' draft room. Tyler Wilson, to the Chiefs' draft room.


He would be my pick. I bet he goes #2 overall

Dave Lane
08-25-2012, 08:05 AM
Bare our buttholes for Barkley?

Hell I think I'd get an anal tat for a stud QB if that's what it took.

notorious
08-25-2012, 08:07 AM
Mellinger is such a blah sports writer. Whitlock would have concocted some racial undertone to grab attention

We need Whitlock back. He would be shredding (rightfully so) the garbage we have at QB.

notorious
08-25-2012, 08:11 AM
A hard decision needs to be made. We need to at least try to play our garbage backups in hope that something clicks during the regular season.

If it doesn't we get to pick high which will allow us to at least take a shot at a QB that has talent.

Playing Cassel will just put us in the 11-20 range every year. We know what he is, and it is nothing special.

Tuckdaddy
08-25-2012, 08:15 AM
This place would have melted down if we took a 5 foot nothing QB in the third. If Wilson turns out to be anything but ok for a little while I will be shocked.

notorious
08-25-2012, 08:17 AM
This place would have melted down if we took a 5 foot nothing QB in the third. If Wilson turns out to be anything but ok for a little while I will be shocked.



I think we would have been optimistic, yet pissed that we only take late round QB's.


I am grasping for anything but Cassel. He is shit, and always will be.

acesn8s
08-25-2012, 08:18 AM
Bare our buttholes for Barkley?

Hell I think I'd get an anal tat for a stud QB if that's what it took.Oh god NO. Barkley=Cassel=Sanchez

Coogs
08-25-2012, 08:19 AM
A hard decision needs to be made.

The decision is not really that hard. It just needs to be made.

notorious
08-25-2012, 08:21 AM
The decision is not really that hard. It just needs to be made.

You are right.


I should have stated,"A hard decison for Pioli". Any other normal human would have been finished with him a long time ago.

Tuckdaddy
08-25-2012, 08:22 AM
Pioli is destined to go down with the ship. I bet he was pissed they played so shitty last night.

bevischief
08-25-2012, 08:26 AM
Who to suck for this year?

milkman
08-25-2012, 08:30 AM
I would have been pissed if the Chiefs had selected Drew Brees in 01.

I'm pretty sure I would have gotten over it by now.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 08:32 AM
He would be my pick. I bet he goes #2 overall

Preseason or not, our varsity has just been bitched slapped hard by the Rams and the Seahawks. #2 may not be out of the question.

stonedstooge
08-25-2012, 08:33 AM
Preseason or not, our varsity has just been bitched slapped hard by the Rams and the Seahawks. #2 may not be out of the question.

Pioli would probably trade down

Saccopoo
08-25-2012, 08:34 AM
Oh god NO. Barkley=Cassel=Sanchez

Actually, he doesn't. Barkley is a pretty damn good quarterback who has elevated his play every single year even after Carroll left. The guy has all the intangibles and tools.

That being said, he won't be there when the Chiefs pick and, besides, I think that for this system, the guy who the Chiefs should really look at in the 2013 draft is Geno Smith of West Virginia. Freaking stud.

Saccopoo
08-25-2012, 08:41 AM
Preseason or not, our varsity has just been bitched slapped hard by the Rams and the Seahawks. #2 may not be out of the question.

Yes it has. Our varsity defense actually.

Be prepared for Manti Te'o in the first and Tyrann Mathieu (who is very Brandon Flowers-ish in all aspects of his game and even better at the same level) in the second.

Pioli will pick up Dayne Crist in the 6th round as the Chiefs QBOTF.

stevieray
08-25-2012, 08:41 AM
they are a poorly run organization.

have been. for years. fifty years later, how many LEGITIMATE quarterbacks drafted in the last twenty?

....don't forget STH's get a dollar off concessions with their new card!!!!!! (that's your p(l)ayoff)

Coogs
08-25-2012, 08:49 AM
Yes it has. Our varsity defense actually.

Be prepared for Manti Te'o in the first and Tyrann Mathieu (who is very Brandon Flowers-ish in all aspects of his game and even better at the same level) in the second.

Pioli will pick up Dayne Crist in the 6th round as the Chiefs QBOTF.

3 total yards for our offense by the mdpoint of the 2nd quarter isn't exactly a steller performance by that side of the ball either.

And you are probably spot on on your draft. :facepalm:

the Talking Can
08-25-2012, 08:49 AM
Baldwin - the guy who was the 'star' of camp and the reason we don't need Bowe - averaged 6 yards per catch...less than McCluster


just think about how fucking stupid that is...

we don't even try - as a goof - to go deep to our WRs

Dayze
08-25-2012, 09:00 AM
Baldwin - the guy who was the 'star' of camp and the reason we don't need Bowe - averaged 6 yards per catch...less than McCluster


just think about how ****ing stupid that is...

we don't even try - as a goof - to go deep to our WRs

That's just crazy talk. What if it was incomplete or intercepted?

NWTF
08-25-2012, 09:18 AM
Baldwin - the guy who was the 'star' of camp and the reason we don't need Bowe - averaged 6 yards per catch...less than McCluster


just think about how ****ing stupid that is...

we don't even try - as a goof - to go deep to our WRs

They are very selective on calling for Cassel to go deep. Its just not his game and will never be. They say he has the weakest arm among the 32 starting QBs.

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 09:21 AM
I still can't believe Pioli left the booth less than a minute after Cassel fumbled. He was sitting in the booth bragging about Cassel for 8 or 9 plays and then as soon as Cassel fumbles they cut to commercial and Pioli leaves as soon as the game came back on.



you know what they say, "if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen".

notorious
08-25-2012, 09:22 AM
you know what they say, "if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen".

Cassel can't even microwave a hotdog without cowering in the corner while shitting all over the place.

Fish
08-25-2012, 09:26 AM
Pre-season or not, the whole team sucked, period. They all were unprepared to play. The whole fucking football team blew it today. So many fucking opportunities that just was fucking wasted.

That fucking draw play tells everybody in the world that they have ZERO confidence in Cassel, yet we keep that little fucker around every year. Why is that? Oh right, because Pioli needs someone to wax him off. Then letting the goddamn rookie perform like he's a damned All-Pro, shredding our defense and doing things that Cassel could only dream. Along with Daboll's bizarre fetish of dumpoff/checkdowns is just getting really old quickly. And to top it off, our dumbassery Quarterback can't even celebrate right, as he just was high and away from his intended target and landed right on his ass.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/265386/casselfail.gif

So much fucking fail, right there.

And I never understood why our General Manager is trying his damnest to try to make Matt Cassel become a fucking hero every fucking time. The Chiefs sure as hell didn't help themselves by doing nothing to address the most important position. Pioli needs to fucking man up, and admit his mistake, cut that fruity bastard from this team, and find a legitimate QB that can at LEAST perform better than Cassel can.

If I was Clark Hunt, I would tell Pioli "If Matt Cassel is the starting QB next year, I will wipe that fucking dumb-ass smile off of your rosey fucking, cheeks, then I would have you escorted to your fucking automobile: your fucking Jaguar, your fucking BMW, your fucking Mustang, or a fucking Buick! Doesn't matter, it's just four fucking wheels and a seat! And I will find me a new fucking general manager who knows how to properly identify a fucking quarterback."

I like how Cassel runs over to his teammates, and tries to include himself in the celebration, and everyone completely ignores him. Cassel jumps to do the bump in midair, and there's just nobody there. Then Bowe finally looks over at Matt on his ass like "You dumbshit".

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 09:30 AM
I like how Cassel runs over to his teammates, and tries to include himself in the celebration, and everyone completely ignores him. Cassel jumps to do the bump in midair, and there's just nobody there. Then Bowe finally looks over at Matt on his ass like "You dumbshit".

:D

threebag02
08-25-2012, 09:31 AM
Baldwin - the guy who was the 'star' of camp and the reason we don't need Bowe - averaged 6 yards per catch...less than McCluster


just think about how ****ing stupid that is...

we don't even try - as a goof - to go deep to our WRs

Evidently the only way we go deep to receivers is against our own secondary in camp/practice.

notorious
08-25-2012, 09:32 AM
"Cassel looks great in camp"


I wonder why? :facepalm:

A Salt Weapon
08-25-2012, 09:53 AM
I think the scene out of the movie evolution is appropriate here.

Fruit basket for Russell Wilson
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gold_and_red
08-25-2012, 09:55 AM
We simply won't win if we fall behind.
The passing game only includes screens and dumpoffs. No other NFL team has such a brutal misuse of true WR play considering the talent here.
Against teams with above average QBs we are f*****.
If the D doesn't click this year, we are picking in the top 10.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-25-2012, 10:05 AM
How is it even possible that everyone in the free world can clearly see what the biggest problem with the team is except the people actually running the team? It's truly staggaring.

On another note how is it even possible that Cassel pulled off the moronic flop on the celebration? I swear to god he almost had to try to do that.

The Bad Guy
08-25-2012, 10:05 AM
It is a great article.

The Seahawks will avoid looking at the pricetag and go with the better player. The Chiefs always consider the tag.

It's just sickening.

JohnnyHammersticks
08-25-2012, 10:13 AM
I still can't believe Pioli left the booth less than a minute after Cassel fumbled. He was sitting in the booth bragging about Cassel for 8 or 9 plays and then as soon as Cassel fumbles they cut to commercial and Pioli leaves as soon as the game came back on.

That would have pissed me off.

We Chiefs fans can only hope that Pioli left the booth so quickly last night because his realtor called with an offer on his ****ing house. The bald headed prick can leave on the next ****ing train for all I care. Has he built a good roster other than QB? Possibly, although it's certainly debatable. But building a good roster at every position besides QB doesn't matter much when having a good QB is the single most important item for a team to possess in today's NFL. It's like having a mechanic who's good at everything but working on motors. Pioli made his bed with Marc Kasl and he'll hopefully be sleeping in it on the ****ing unemployment line as soon as the season ends.

ChiefsCountry
08-25-2012, 10:25 AM
Cassel shows how big Piolis ego really is.
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Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 10:25 AM
This place would have melted down if we took a 5 foot nothing QB in the third. If Wilson turns out to be anything but ok for a little while I will be shocked.

Credit the Seahawks. They recognized Jackson was a terribly mediocre QB (who, I might add, has a higher QB rating than Cassel). So they went out and picked up the best non-Manning FA and drafted a lottery-pick type player in Wilson.

We didn't do dick.

chiefzilla1501
08-25-2012, 10:49 AM
Pioli is basically resting his legacy on a so far mediocre qb. Its one thing to make a mistake. It's another to arrogantly defend your mistake.

What's compelling about russell Wilson is NOT that he is a lower drafted qb the chiefs passed up, as much as it is that the Seahawks made a move for Matt Flynn and still drafted a rookie and still gave that rookie a chance to win the starting job.

Pioli took 5 years to draft a fifth rounder. And he declared his starter before the preseason even started.

TEX
08-25-2012, 11:01 AM
Pioli is basically resting his legacy on a so far mediocre qb. Its one thing to make a mistake. It's another to arrogantly defend your mistake.

What's compelling about russell Wilson is NOT that he is a lower drafted qb the chiefs passed up, as much as it is that the Seahawks made a move for Matt Flynn and still drafted a rookie and still gave that rookie a chance to win the starting job.

Pioli took 5 years to draft a fifth rounder. And he declared his starter before the preseason even started.

:clap: This - All day long...

The Chiefs should be farther along in year 4 of Pioli. They're not because of the QB. Most teams that hit rock-bottom the way the Chiefs did get themsles a young franchise QB. The Chiefs didn't.

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 11:03 AM
:clap: This - All day long...

i second it.

PRIEST
08-25-2012, 11:07 AM
:clap: This - All day long...

The Chiefs should be farther along in year 4 of Pioli. They're not because of the QB. Most teams that hit rock-bottom the way the Chiefs did get themsles a young franchise QB. The Chiefs didn't.

This

jd1020
08-25-2012, 11:08 AM
:clap: This - All day long...

The Chiefs should be farther along in year 4 of Pioli. They're not because of the QB. Most teams that hit rock-bottom the way the Chiefs did get themsles a young franchise QB. The Chiefs didn't.

Unfortunately for the Chiefs they were rock bottom when there were only 2 QBs considered to be franchise guys in 2 years and they both went #1.

TEX
08-25-2012, 11:09 AM
Credit the Seahawks. They recognized Jackson was a terribly mediocre QB (who, I might add, has a higher QB rating than Cassel). So they went out and picked up the best non-Manning FA and drafted a lottery-pick type player in Wilson.

We didn't do dick.

Yep. And most teams do recognize when they have poor QB play and go out and do something about it. I'd bet there isn't a team in the league that would have stuck with Cassel as ther starter as long as KC. Pathetic.

TEX
08-25-2012, 11:11 AM
Unfortunately for the Chiefs they were rock bottom when there were only 2 QBs considered to be franchise guys in 2 years and they both went #1.

Yeah, but there were others out there. Just look at this year. The Chiefs could have had one. There's a kid down in Miami right now who has more pocket presense than Matt Cassel.

GloryDayz
08-25-2012, 11:11 AM
I still can't believe Pioli left the booth less than a minute after Cassel fumbled. He was sitting in the booth bragging about Cassel for 8 or 9 plays and then as soon as Cassel fumbles they cut to commercial and Pioli leaves as soon as the game came back on.

That would have pissed me off.

Do you really think SP hasn't learned at least a few lessons from the Hunts? When the heat is on, leave! That's why God invented Fiji.... Soon enough SP might move away from KC too; it's simpler to make bad decisions when you don't have to face your fans. A lesson the Hunts continue to teach the globe. Even if you show - don't "show" for long! RUN AWAY!!!

No matter what - at least for the Hunts - they will make so much coin for not producing on the field, FOREVER (!!!!), that it makes producing ON THE FIELD a a financial liability when the final numbers are tallied. IOW, whatever they'd spend in a cast of players who could win and bring in a little extra coin would FAR exceed the raw profits generated by doing nothing. They all know this, and they know the occasional bone, the occasional nugget, thrown to the crowd of starving fans will keep some of the seats filled. And, like getting congress to limit terms and eliminating retirements, you'll never get the consortium of owners to fix the bad owners. Those owners who care don't mind those who don't not fielding a team that might get in the way of their team's desires to win it all. Unfortunately for the fine people of Kansas City, we have two examples of such "uncaring" teams in one parking lot...

jd1020
08-25-2012, 11:11 AM
Yeah, but there were others out there. Just look at this year. The Chiefs could have had one. There's a kid down in Miami right now who has more pocket presense than Matt Cassel.

They passed on Tannehill?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 11:16 AM
Yawn, you don't like it? Root for the Seahawks.

JD10367
08-25-2012, 11:22 AM
What's sad is this: Ryan Mallett looked much improved for my Pats last night. We could trade you a backup QB again and send you Brian Hoyer, who sucks balls. And I think Hoyer would still probably step in and play better than Cassel.

Wilson may or may not be the real deal. He might be another Doug Flutie, a guy who manages to play taller than his size and win a lot of games on sheer talent and will, but who may never lead you to the Promised Land. But that's not the point; this is. And it's staggering when you think about it.

"If Wilson wins the Seahawks’ job — and the Chiefs gave him a highlight tape — he would be one of 15 quarterbacks drafted after Pioli took over in Kansas City to be a starting quarterback when the season starts. The Chiefs passed over five of those quarterbacks."

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 11:30 AM
What's sad is this: Ryan Mallett looked much improved for my Pats last night. We could trade you a backup QB again and send you Brian Hoyer, who sucks balls. And I think Hoyer would still probably step in and play better than Cassel.

Wilson may or may not be the real deal. He might be another Doug Flutie, a guy who manages to play taller than his size and win a lot of games on sheer talent and will, but who may never lead you to the Promised Land. But that's not the point; this is. And it's staggering when you think about it.

"If Wilson wins the Seahawks’ job — and the Chiefs gave him a highlight tape — he would be one of 15 quarterbacks drafted after Pioli took over in Kansas City to be a starting quarterback when the season starts. The Chiefs passed over five of those quarterbacks."

LMAO Yeah, and out of those FIVE whole quarterbacks, Dalton MIGHT be the only one worth a shit.

Thanks for playing.

JD10367
08-25-2012, 11:33 AM
LMAO Yeah, and out of those FIVE whole quarterbacks, Dalton MIGHT be the only one worth a shit.

Thanks for playing.

Thanks for your crystal ball gaze, Zoltan. Did you ignore the part about 15 starters drafted? And do you know those five aren't worth a shit? Because Chiefs fans can sadly say that, while they don't know if those five will be shit, they certainly know their one IS shit.

Thanks for playing.

el borracho
08-25-2012, 11:34 AM
What's sad is this: Ryan Mallett looked much improved for my Pats last night. We could trade you a backup QB again and send you Brian Hoyer, who sucks balls. And I think Hoyer would still probably step in and play better than Cassel.

Wilson may or may not be the real deal. He might be another Doug Flutie, a guy who manages to play taller than his size and win a lot of games on sheer talent and will, but who may never lead you to the Promised Land. But that's not the point; this is. And it's staggering when you think about it.

"If Wilson wins the Seahawks’ job — and the Chiefs gave him a highlight tape — he would be one of 15 quarterbacks drafted after Pioli took over in Kansas City to be a starting quarterback when the season starts. The Chiefs passed over five of those quarterbacks."

Mallet should have been the choice in 2011. Two touchdowns and a QB rating of 107.7 last night.

Of course, he had a stinker of a game against New Orleans two weeks ago but he is unquestionably more talented than Matt Cassel.

NWTF
08-25-2012, 11:36 AM
Credit the Seahawks. They recognized Jackson was a terribly mediocre QB (who, I might add, has a higher QB rating than Cassel). So they went out and picked up the best non-Manning FA and drafted a lottery-pick type player in Wilson.

We didn't do dick.

Not to mention they let go of Orton (who isnt the answer but a decent backup) and signed Brady Quinn - a downgrade. Pioli did not want a controversy at any point during the season. Cassel is clearly the best QB on this roster and Pioli made sure he would be. While on most other NFL rosters Cassel would fall to the #2 position.

Like Jack Harry said Cassel is here to stay. Pioli is not interested in upgrading the position at this time.

el borracho
08-25-2012, 11:36 AM
LMAO Yeah, and out of those FIVE whole quarterbacks, Dalton MIGHT be the only one worth a shit.

Thanks for playing.

Be serious for one moment and tell me, truthfully, that you are satisfied with Matt Cassel as your QB.

Brainiac
08-25-2012, 11:38 AM
Yawn, you don't like it? Root for the Seahawks.
You deserve whatever abuse you get on this forum. I would love to see Cassel succeed, but that was one of the dumbest fucking posts I've ever seen.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 11:40 AM
Thanks for your crystal ball gaze, Zoltan. Did you ignore the part about 15 starters drafted? And do you know those five aren't worth a shit? Because Chiefs fans can sadly say that, while they don't know if those five will be shit, they certainly know their one IS shit.

Thanks for playing.

Wrong. I do know that they aren't worth a shit because either

A: They're not starting anymore

OR

B: THEY JUST AREN'T WORTH A SHIT.

Meanwhile our guy has played in a PROBOWL.

Go back to your clam chowder and old man pervert fantasies and leave the sport talk to people who actually know shit ok?

Detoxing
08-25-2012, 11:40 AM
LMAO Yeah, and out of those FIVE whole quarterbacks, Dalton MIGHT be the only one worth a shit.

Thanks for playing.

This avatar is awesome.

TEX
08-25-2012, 11:41 AM
They passed on Tannehill?

No - I meant they didn't do what it took to try and get him. I just mean they haven't done anything except draft a guy in the 5th round, who will be out of the NFL in 2 yeras, and sign a back-up from Denver to "compete" with Cassel. Shoot Orton was the best QB they've had since Pioli got here and they were never serious about signing him.

Rausch
08-25-2012, 11:41 AM
Baldwin - the guy who was the 'star' of camp and the reason we don't need Bowe - averaged 6 yards per catch...less than McCluster


just think about how ****ing stupid that is...

we don't even try - as a goof - to go deep to our WRs

We don't try because we know we can't.

Casshole was throwing high for most of the first half.

ON SHORT ROUTES...

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 11:43 AM
You deserve whatever abuse you get on this forum. I would love to see Cassel succeed, but that was one of the dumbest fucking posts I've ever seen.

About as dumb as saying Wilson will be a better qb based on a preseason game where their two respective teams played against each other.

Detoxing
08-25-2012, 11:45 AM
We don't try because we know we can't.

Casshole was throwing high for most of the first half.

ON SHORT ROUTES...

It reminds of that movie "Friday Night Lights" when the mom was telling the QB to just "throw it up to Boobie Miles and let that boy go after the ball".

Haha. That's Cassel. "Hey, i got these big fast black guys, ima just gonna throw it up there and hope they can come down with it". I wouldnt doubt it if that's what the coaches are telling him to do.

It's no wonder Baldwin looked great in camp. He's been catching overthrown passes for the past month LMAO LMAO

go bowe
08-25-2012, 11:54 AM
Bare our buttholes for Barkley?

Hell I think I'd get an anal tat for a stud QB if that's what it took.

you're a brave man dave lane...

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 11:56 AM
Great article. It's embarrassing to he a chiefs fan. Todd Blackledge haunts us

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 11:57 AM
you're a brave man dave lane...

Say no to Barkley. If you seen one USC QB you've seen them all. I'm a USC fan too.

BoneKrusher
08-25-2012, 12:06 PM
Say no to Barkley. If you seen one USC QB you've seen them all. I'm a USC fan too.

yeah, i've yet to see a good QB from USC.

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 12:11 PM
yeah, i've yet to see a good QB from USC.


Palmer was the best one IMO and look at him. Tyler Wilson is on my list.

New World Order
08-25-2012, 12:12 PM
I would be down for drafting a new qb, most definitely

jd1020
08-25-2012, 12:12 PM
Palmer was the best one IMO and look at him. Tyler Wilson is on my list.

Ya. Look at him. He was one of the best QBs in the league before injuries. What a bum.

Pants
08-25-2012, 12:16 PM
Commence the Suck 4 Barkley campaign.

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 12:17 PM
Ya. Look at him. He was one of the best QBs in the league before injuries. What a bum.

You don't know what he would have been like if he didn't have injuries. Give me another outstanding QB from USC?


Like Katt Williams said "Go ahead I'll wait"

Raiderhader
08-25-2012, 12:20 PM
Wrong. I do know that they aren't worth a shit because either

A: They're not starting anymore

OR

B: THEY JUST AREN'T WORTH A SHIT.

Meanwhile our guy has played in a PROBOWL.

Go back to your clam chowder and old man pervert fantasies and leave the sport talk to people who actually know shit ok?


*facepalm*

Raiderhader
08-25-2012, 12:21 PM
Say no to Barkley. If you seen one USC QB you've seen them all. I'm a USC fan too.


This.

NWTF
08-25-2012, 12:27 PM
yeah, i've yet to see a good QB from USC.

??? Palmer ??? He was top 5 about 5-6 years ago. Age and injuries have caught up to him.

TEX
08-25-2012, 12:31 PM
Great article. It's embarrassing to he a chiefs fan. Todd Blackledge haunts us

LOL! The only KC player that kinda equals Todd Blackledge is Lin Elliot...:doh!:

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 12:44 PM
What's sad is this: Ryan Mallett looked much improved for my Pats last night. We could trade you a backup QB again and send you Brian Hoyer, who sucks balls. And I think Hoyer would still probably step in and play better than Cassel.

Wilson may or may not be the real deal. He might be another Doug Flutie, a guy who manages to play taller than his size and win a lot of games on sheer talent and will, but who may never lead you to the Promised Land. But that's not the point; this is. And it's staggering when you think about it.

"If Wilson wins the Seahawks’ job — and the Chiefs gave him a highlight tape — he would be one of 15 quarterbacks drafted after Pioli took over in Kansas City to be a starting quarterback when the season starts. The Chiefs passed over five of those quarterbacks."

In reality, the Chiefs passed on more than 5 starting QBs. The could have traded up (e.g. Tannehill, RG3) or decided to enter the Luck sweepstakes.

Instead, we're stuck with literally the least promising starting QB in the league.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 12:45 PM
In reality, the Chiefs passed on more than 5 starting QBs. The could have traded up (e.g. Tannehill, RG3) or decided to enter the Luck sweepstakes.

Instead, we're stuck with literally the least promising starting QB in the league.

The ignorance of some people...

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 12:47 PM
The ignorance of some people...

The always win crowd?

jd1020
08-25-2012, 12:49 PM
The always win crowd?

Nah... the "we had a chance at Luck and RG3" crowd. AKA dumbasses.

Baconeater
08-25-2012, 12:51 PM
Nah... the "we had a chance at Luck and RG3" crowd. AKA dumbasses.
I assume he meant intentionally tanking a season like Indy did.

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 12:52 PM
Nah... the "we had a chance at Luck and RG3" crowd. AKA dumbasses.

Regarding RG3, we absolutely had a chance. The Rams needed a #1 CB and WR, and we had both to trade.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 12:53 PM
Regarding RG3, we absolutely had a chance. The Rams needed a #1 CB and WR, and we had both to trade.

:facepalm:

In before the "explain why they traded down to 14" argument.

philfree
08-25-2012, 12:55 PM
I think Babby plagiarized this article from Chiefs Planet. It's been written here over and over for the last three plus years so it's not really such a great article.

DaneMcCloud
08-25-2012, 01:02 PM
Oh god NO. Barkley=Cassel=Sanchez

What?

LMAO

4 year starter versus one year starter versus no starts in four years?

LMAO

Have you even seen Barkley play?

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 01:03 PM
:facepalm:

In before the "explain why they traded down to 14" argument.

When Sportsshrink is more lucid, you have a problem.

I've had a hard time trying to burn Pioli for the QB situation. He tried with Cassel and its not that he wants to live or die with him, its that there hasn't been an opportunity presented to fix the problem. He wanted Manning but Manning didn't want KC for w/e reason. But, if after our 2nd pick in next years draft we don't have a QB, I'll be done. I don't think we'll be in a position to get a top QB but you need 2 hands to count the QBs who have 1st round talent going into the season and they all aren't going to be drafted by the time the Chiefs are on the clock for the 1st and, maybe, 2nd time.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:06 PM
When Sportsshrink is more lucid, you have a problem.

When someone thinks that RG3 was a possibility for the Chiefs, you have a problem.

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 01:13 PM
When someone thinks that RG3 was a possibility for the Chiefs, you have a problem.

So coming up just short in the Luck sweepstakes wasn't also an option??

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:13 PM
So coming up just short in the Luck sweepstakes wasn't also an option??

Just short? We were 10 picks away.

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 01:17 PM
Just short? We were 10 picks away.

Try to imagine a 2011 where we didn't shoot for meaningless wins.....

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:18 PM
Try to imagine a 2011 where we didn't shoot for meaningless wins.....

So meaningless we were a Bowe TD drop away from the playoffs. Or a blocked FG away from the playoffs.

Cave Johnson
08-25-2012, 01:20 PM
So meaningless we were a Bowe TD drop away from the playoffs. Or a blocked FG away from the playoffs.

Seriously, GFY.

Who gives a crap about the playoffs. 2010 made it abundantly clear Cassel will be able to engineer exactly zero playoff wins.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:21 PM
Seriously, GFY.

Who gives a crap about the playoffs. 2010 made it abundantly clear Cassel will be able to engineer exactly zero playoff wins.

This is why you are stupid.

SNR
08-25-2012, 01:22 PM
What?

LMAO

4 year starter versus one year starter versus no starts in four years?

LMAO

Have you even seen Barkley play?
I saw Matt Leinart play, too.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 01:24 PM
Game 6.

Brady might the first shot at being the replacement qb, but I have almost no doubt that Cassel will be pulled and a new quarterback will take over during the bye week.

Dicky McElephant
08-25-2012, 01:25 PM
This is why you are stupid.

Can you honestly sit there and tell me that you think Cassel is capable of winning a Superbowl for this team?

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:26 PM
Can you honestly sit there and tell me that you think Cassel is capable of winning a Superbowl for this team?

What does Cassel have to do with it? Who was the QB to end the season last year?

Dicky McElephant
08-25-2012, 01:28 PM
What does Cassel have to do with it? Who was the QB to end the season last year?

Because Cassel is the QB that Pioli has tied this team to.

Do you think this team, as it sits now, can win a Superbowl with Cassel at QB?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 01:33 PM
Can you honestly sit there and tell me that you think Cassel is capable of winning a Superbowl for this team?

Why not?

jd1020
08-25-2012, 01:36 PM
Because Cassel is the QB that Pioli has tied this team to.

Do you think this team, as it sits now, can win a Superbowl with Cassel at QB?

A lot would have to go right for them to win a SB but that doesn't mean there's absolutely 0 chance they could.

Not saying we should keep him and not look for a QB but the 2011 Chiefs were 3 too many Palko starts, 2 blocked FG's, and a Bowe TD drop away from the playoffs. Anyone who thinks making the playoffs is meaningless is an idiot.

The Bad Guy
08-25-2012, 01:37 PM
Why not?

The trolling is old. Really fucking old.

Bewbies
08-25-2012, 01:38 PM
Why not?

Have you seen Matt Cassel play football?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 01:39 PM
The trolling is old. Really fucking old.

What's a matter TBG? No shiatsu this morning?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 01:40 PM
Have you seen Matt Cassel play football?

Yup, I saw him play in the probowl.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 01:44 PM
Because Cassel is the QB that Pioli has tied this team to.

Do you think this team, as it sits now, can win a Superbowl with Cassel at QB?

You gotta understand man, Pioli has tied Pioli to Cassel. Not the team. I know without a doubt Pioli believes Cassel is the one QB on this roster that can win a Superbowl. He has to believe that because he has put his job on the line.

The Chiefs will still be here if Cassel and Pioli are not. I think Pioli understands that.

Do I think we can win a Superbowl with Cassel? I dunno? Anything is possible. I do believe this is the best chance we have had since 2003 and the best team we have had since 1995.

Baconeater
08-25-2012, 01:46 PM
I don't believe even for a second that Pioli's job is on the line in any way, shape or form.

DBOSHO
08-25-2012, 01:49 PM
Yup, I saw him play in the probowl.

As like the 3rd alternate.

Vince youn made the probowl once. Where is he?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 01:55 PM
As like the 3rd alternate.

Vince youn made the probowl once. Where is he?

Exactly, Cassell is better than that guy who won the national championship, picked early in the draft and had huge expectations. Goes to show you just never know.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-25-2012, 02:01 PM
I don't believe even for a second that Pioli's job is on the line in any way, shape or form.

Watch this

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Coaching-Change-Press-Conference/b0483e6b-2d3e-4abb-9460-3fbbbaae1523

el borracho
08-25-2012, 02:03 PM
Be serious for one moment and tell me, truthfully, that you are satisfied with Matt Cassel as your QB.

Still waiting for a sincere response to this post, L.A.Chieffan. Are you satisfied with Matt Cassel as the starting QB for the KC Chiefs?

whoman69
08-25-2012, 02:11 PM
The good news is if the Chiefs keep playing like this, they'll have a good shot at a frachise QB in the draft.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 02:12 PM
Exactly, Cassell is better than that guy who won the national championship, picked early in the draft and had huge expectations. Goes to show you just never know.

Are you sure about that?

Vince Young's stats...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounVi00.htm

Matt Cassel's stats...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CassMa00.htm


Vince Young won/wins more often than Cassel. I think Tennessee/Jeff Fisher realized they/he was not going to win it all with Young. And Young can not find a starting job anywhere else in the NFL. If the Chiefs were to finally figure that out with Cassel, I would assume he will not find starters work anywhere else either.

philfree
08-25-2012, 02:19 PM
The good news is if the Chiefs keep playing like this, they'll have a good shot at a frachise QB in the draft.

Com'on man, don't start stuff till we are at least 0-2.

RunKC
08-25-2012, 02:31 PM
What's sad is this team would win this division if we had a quality QB and a good pass rusher on the DL.

gblowfish
08-25-2012, 02:43 PM
PUT....THE HAND GUN.....DOWN!

jspchief
08-25-2012, 02:53 PM
So meaningless we were a Bowe TD drop away from the playoffs. Or a blocked FG away from the playoffs.

Clark Hunt loves you. He loves that fans like you think that making or almost making the playoffs means the Chiefs are a playoff team.

Every year a team or two makes the playoffs by default. That team gets totally outclassed when they face off against real playoff teams. And fucking rube fans like you cling lovingly to the notion that we only missed out by a blocked FG.

NWTF
08-25-2012, 02:53 PM
What's sad is this team would win this division if we had a quality QB and a good pass rusher on the DL.

This team can win THIS division and I think they will. Its just highly unlikely they would advance past that point.

RunKC
08-25-2012, 02:54 PM
This team can win THIS division and I think they will. Its just highly unlikely they would advance past that point.

Care to tell how we're gonna stop Manning when we can't get any pressure on QB's? Or how Cassel is gonna score on Denver's defense with Von and Dumberverille shitting down his face every snap?

Marcellus
08-25-2012, 02:57 PM
Care to tell how we're gonna stop Manning when we can't get any pressure on QB's? Or how Cassel is gonna score on Denver's defense with Von and Dumberverille shitting down his face every snap?

Hi Clay.

WilliamTheIrish
08-25-2012, 03:06 PM
I don't believe even for a second that Pioli's job is on the line in any way, shape or form.

Not in the least. He'll be here as long as he wants.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 03:12 PM
Are you sure about that?

Vince Young's stats...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounVi00.htm

Matt Cassel's stats...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CassMa00.htm


Vince Young won/wins more often than Cassel. I think Tennessee/Jeff Fisher realized they/he was not going to win it all with Young. And Young can not find a starting job anywhere else in the NFL. If the Chiefs were to finally figure that out with Cassel, I would assume he will not find starters work anywhere else either.

Who has a job and who doesn't. Young just couldn't hack it. Case closed.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 03:20 PM
Still waiting for a sincere response to this post, L.A.Chieffan. Are you satisfied with Matt Cassel as the starting QB for the KC Chiefs?

Over whom?

ILChief
08-25-2012, 03:23 PM
Com'on man, don't start stuff till we are at least 0-2.

We would win a few meaningless games down the stretch to drop us down enough to miss out on a qb like usual

JD10367
08-25-2012, 03:27 PM
Wrong. I do know that they aren't worth a shit because either

A: They're not starting anymore

OR

B: THEY JUST AREN'T WORTH A SHIT.

Meanwhile our guy has played in a PROBOWL.

Go back to your clam chowder and old man pervert fantasies and leave the sport talk to people who actually know shit ok?

ROFL You must be a troll mult because, if you're serious, it's too pitiful to even comprehend. As a troll mult, kudos. If you're serious... please don't reproduce.

mcaj22
08-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Who has a job and who doesn't. Young just couldn't hack it. Case closed.

Oh and Matt Cassel can hack it?

guy cant even put on a hat or celebrate in the endzone without sucking at it.

JD10367
08-25-2012, 03:32 PM
This team can win THIS division and I think they will. Its just highly unlikely they would advance past that point.

I was watching or listening to some football show recently and they were discussing the AFC quarterbacks and how tough/easy the divisions were. They rightly pointed out that the AFC West could be the toughest division due to their QBs. They said, "Philip Rivers is still very good. Carson Palmer is bouncing back in Oakland. If healthy, Peyton Manning is Peyton Manning. And Matt Cassel... well, I guess he's a veteran QB, right?" LMAO

ChiTown
08-25-2012, 03:36 PM
Not in the least. He'll be here as long as he wants.

Yep. The Chiefs ownership likes them a lot of dumbass and incompetence in their President/GM roles.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 03:41 PM
Oh and Matt Cassel can hack it?

guy cant even put on a hat or celebrate in the endzone without sucking at it.

When all else fails bring out the hat smack.

Death2CasselFans
08-25-2012, 03:41 PM
They are very selective on calling for Cassel to go deep. Its just not his game and will never be. They say he has the weakest arm among the 32 starting QBs.

Via Bleacherport

Power Ranking the Arm Strength of All 32 NFL Starting QBs

The weakest arm among the starting NFL quarterbacks belongs to Kansas City Chiefs' passer Matt Cassel.

This will surely catch some flack from Chiefs fans, but Cassel has never had a strong arm. Going back to his success in New England, he's had trouble throwing the deep ball. His lack of arm strength has hampered the Chiefs offense.

milkman
08-25-2012, 03:42 PM
A lot would have to go right for them to win a SB but that doesn't mean there's absolutely 0 chance they could.

Not saying we should keep him and not look for a QB but the 2011 Chiefs were 3 too many Palko starts, 2 blocked FG's, and a Bowe TD drop away from the playoffs. Anyone who thinks making the playoffs is meaningless is an idiot.

Sit through 43 years of mediocre to crappy football, and tell me that just making the playoffs is meaningful.

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 03:45 PM
@JasonLaCanfora: Redskins take a 50 yard shot on each of first two drives; RG3 overthrew Garcon on both attempts. Good to see the intent is there



Even RG3 will throw deep. When was the last time Cassel tried for a 50 yarded? He doesn't even attempt in preseason.


Matt "CheckDown" Cassel

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 03:46 PM
Via Bleacherport

Power Ranking the Arm Strength of All 32 NFL Starting QBs

The weakest arm among the starting NFL quarterbacks belongs to Kansas City Chiefs' passer Matt Cassel.

This will surely catch some flack from Chiefs fans, but Cassel has never had a strong arm. Going back to his success in New England, he's had trouble throwing the deep ball. His lack of arm strength has hampered the Chiefs offense.

Arm strength is extremely overrated.

Kyle Boller and jamarcus Russell had elite arms.

Joe Montana had an average arm.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 03:46 PM
Sit through 43 years of mediocre to crappy football, and tell me that just making the playoffs is meaningful.

Sit through 43 years of non playoff years and see how many championships a team wins.

milkman
08-25-2012, 03:55 PM
Sit through 43 years of non playoff years and see how many championships a team wins.

Wow Carl.

It's kinda cool that you are still so invested in the Chiefs that you are now posting on a Chiefs forum to keep up, even though Clark Hunt fired you.

Tuckdaddy
08-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Care to tell how we're gonna stop Manning when we can't get any pressure on QB's? Or how Cassel is gonna score on Denver's defense with Von and Dumberverille shitting down his face every snap?

I am assumining that we do have blockers, or do those guys get sacks every play? I also recall us having Tamba who last time I checked could get a sack or two.

You went full retard. Manning is not the guy he use to be.

JohnnyHammersticks
08-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Basing one's support for Cassel on the fact that he made the Pro Bowl is like waving a big flag that says "I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the NFL".

Baconeater
08-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Watch this

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Coaching-Change-Press-Conference/b0483e6b-2d3e-4abb-9460-3fbbbaae1523
I'm not interested in watching a 22 minute blah-blah session, can you point to something specific that was mentioned in there that would indicate that Pioli's job is on the line?

Baconeater
08-25-2012, 03:58 PM
Basing one's support for Cassel on the fact that he made the Pro Bowl is like waving a big flag that says "I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the NFL".
There's only one person here that does that here, and he/she isn't even worth acknowledging any more.

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 03:59 PM
Basing one's support for Cassel on the fact that he made the Pro Bowl is like waving a big flag that says "I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the NFL".

If I remember right a couple QBs dropped out of the pro bowl making Cassel last resort.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 04:00 PM
Wow Carl.

It's kinda cool that you are still so invested in the Chiefs that you are now posting on a Chiefs forum to keep up, even though Clark Hunt fired you.

Good one!

You have to make the playoffs before you can win a championship. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. I'm sure there were a lot of people laughing at the Seahawks for making the playoffs at 7-9... until they beat the SB favorites.

Anyone rooting for the Chiefs to tank a season are idiots.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 04:03 PM
There's only one person here that does that here, and he/she isn't even worth acknowledging any more.

And why is that? Because I'm always right?

ChiTown
08-25-2012, 04:03 PM
Via Bleacherport

Power Ranking the Arm Strength of All 32 NFL Starting QBs

The weakest arm among the starting NFL quarterbacks belongs to Kansas City Chiefs' passer Matt Cassel.

This will surely catch some flack from Chiefs fans, but Cassel has never had a strong arm. Going back to his success in New England, he's had trouble throwing the deep ball. His lack of arm strength has hampered the Chiefs offense.

He's got a weak-assed arm, but NEVER quote Bleacher Report. That place is for retards and people who are trying to become retards.

ChiefsandO'sfan
08-25-2012, 04:08 PM
#Blow4Barkley

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 04:09 PM
#Blow4Barkley

#Winless4Wilson

milkman
08-25-2012, 04:11 PM
Good one!

You have to make the playoffs before you can win a championship. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. I'm sure there were a lot of people laughing at the Seahawks for making the playoffs at 7-9... until they beat the SB favorites.

Anyone rooting for the Chiefs to tank a season are idiots.

I am not proposing tanking a season.

I am saying that you can not win an advance with a QB that can not make plays.

You think that we can win, but without a QB, there is zero chance.

Your goal as a team should be winning a championship, not simply making the playoffs.

Getting there is just the first hurdle to attaining that goal.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 04:17 PM
Good one!

You have to make the playoffs before you can win a championship. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. I'm sure there were a lot of people laughing at the Seahawks for making the playoffs at 7-9... until they beat the SB favorites.

Anyone rooting for the Chiefs to tank a season are idiots.

Its dumb motherfuckers like you that Pioli hopes stick around forever.

He can feed you a lifetime of Cassels and you will just eat it up...thinking we can win a superbowl with him.

This team OBVIOUSLY NEEDS A SPARK.

They are drifting back into the form they were in this time last year.

See, most people think it was the firing of Todd Haley that brought life to this team late last year...

It wasnt.

It was the spark of energy they got by having a quarterback that could find the open man and extend drives with his arm...even without a running game.

The team fucked up BIG TIME by not re-signing Kyle Orton.

BIG TIME.

They fucked up even worse by not moving up to draft Tannehill or at least try to upgrade.

In the three game stretch to end the season,we beat two playoff teams with Orton....no way we do that with Cassel.

JohnnyHammersticks
08-25-2012, 04:18 PM
To generalize even more, if you think Cassel is an adequate NFL starting QB, then you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the NFL. HE JUST CAN'T PLAY. It couldn't be more obvious. It might not even be his fault, he may have truly maxed out his God-given ability--he just sucks. He's not good. If you watch Chiefs games and you think that if a few things fell a different way, Cassel could be an adequate starter--then you're completely ****ing clueless. You're stupid in terms of evaluating players. You should stop watching football because you're just not grasping even the most glaringly obvious aspects of the game. This is what is so mother-****ing mind-boggling when it comes to Pioli. How do you amass that much time at a job which pretty much revolves around evaluating football talent and miss this ****ing bad on the most important position on the field??? It makes no sense.

The only logical answer is that his bald-headed ****ing prick ego is so massive that he simply can't admit he made a mistake on Cassel, so he's hell bent on riding that mistake to wherever it takes him. If Clark Hunt has one shred of consideration for Chiefs' fans, Pioli's prick ego should take him straight to the unemployment line as soon as the season ends. ****ing bald-headed prick!

jd1020
08-25-2012, 04:18 PM
Its dumb mother****ers like you that Pioli hopes stick around forever.

He can feed you a lifetime of Cassels and you will just eat it up...thinking we can win a superbowl with him.

This team OBVIOUSLY NEEDS A SPARK.

They are drifting back into the form they were in this time last year.

See, most people think it was the firing of Todd Haley that brought life to this team.

It wasnt.

It was the spark of energy they got by having a quarterback that could find the open man and extend drives with his arm...even without a running game.

The team ****ed up BIG TIME by not re-signing Kyle Orton.

BIG TIME.


It's dumb mother ****ers like you that think I'm campaigning for Cassel.

Orton didn't want to be here. It's ****ing obvious.

The Chiefs were making a play before Manning was even available to try and get him so it's pretty obvious they aren't content with Cassel.

Regardless if Cassel is here or isn't everyone's goal should be making the playoffs.

So I say this in the politest way possible...

Go **** yourself.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 04:25 PM
It's dumb mother ****ers like you that think I'm campaigning for Cassel.

Orton didn't want to be here. It's ****ing obvious.

The Chiefs were making a play before Manning was even available to try and get him so it's pretty obvious they aren't content with Cassel.

Regardless if Cassel is here or isn't everyone's goal should be making the playoffs.

So I say this in the politest way possible...

Go **** yourself.

Stop putting ***s in there and just type the fucking words out.

Orton KNEW that Pioli was married to Cassel and he wouldn't be given a real chance.

If I were him, Id do the same thing.

At least in Dallas,he is legitimately the backup and not for political reasons.

The only reason we didnt end the year with 5 wins is because of Orton.

He provided the spark that this team desperately needed...and because Pioli is married to this bitch, he let Orton walk.

Inmem58
08-25-2012, 04:28 PM
Stop putting ***s in there and just type the ****ing words out.

Orton KNEW that Pioli was married to Cassel and he wouldn't be given a real chance.

If I were him, Id do the same thing.

At least in Dallas,he is legitimately the backup and not for political reasons.

The only reason we didnt end the year with 5 wins is because of Orton.

He provided the spark that this team desperately needed...and because Pioli is married to this bitch, he let Orton walk.



Everything in this post is pure speculation. There's no fucking facts.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 04:28 PM
Stop putting ***s in there and just type the ****ing words out.

Orton KNEW that Pioli was married to Cassel and he wouldn't be given a real chance.

Orton didn't want a chance. You can stop acting like he did.

You don't sign with a team who has a starter set in stone giving you exactly 0 chance at seeing the field on game day because you "want a chance."

And I'm not putting ***'s to bleep out the words.

Bearcat
08-25-2012, 04:33 PM
Good one!

You have to make the playoffs before you can win a championship. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. I'm sure there were a lot of people laughing at the Seahawks for making the playoffs at 7-9... until they beat the SB favorites.

Anyone rooting for the Chiefs to tank a season are idiots.

Meh, I'm sure that's a great memory for Seahawks fans, but the Saints didn't even win their division that year and had also lost to Cleveland and Arizona. Shit happens, but it's no March Madness... anything can happen in the first round and maybe the 2nd round... not so much after that.

I don't look at that Seahawks team or the Broncos last year and look forward to the Chiefs simply making the playoffs... it lessens the value of getting there because any mediocre team can do it.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 04:34 PM
Everything in this post is pure speculation. There's no fucking facts.

BULLSHIT.

Go back and watch teh fucking post game interviews from the locker room.

Most notably, Tamba Hali.

He basically shit down Cassels throat with his comments about how it was the first time in years they had a quarterback that could give the defense time to rest.

Go ahead, though, think that this is just a preseason mirage.

When the Rams and Seahawks are shitting on your teams starters, a change needs to be made and the sooner it is made, the sooner this team can start building something real.

JohnnyHammersticks
08-25-2012, 04:34 PM
Stop putting ***s in there and just type the ****ing words out.

Orton KNEW that Pioli was married to Cassel and he wouldn't be given a real chance.

If I were him, Id do the same thing.

At least in Dallas,he is legitimately the backup and not for political reasons.

The only reason we didnt end the year with 5 wins is because of Orton.

He provided the spark that this team desperately needed...and because Pioli is married to this bitch, he let Orton walk.

You are 100% correct in terms of Orton. Orton is probably average on a good day--but it was like the difference between night and day when he finally played for us last year. You actually got a sense that he was somewhat in command of the offense and looking downfield for open receivers instead of shitting himself and dumping the ball off at the slightest sign of pressure. Cassel doesn't have the arm or the mind to play QB in the NFL. He might be tough, and he might be a nice guy. Maybe he'll make a great dad someday. As an NFL QB though, he sucks freaking balls.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 04:38 PM
You cannot beat good teams with a quarterback that is scared to throw the fucking football outside the the numbers or past 15 yards.

You just cant.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 04:38 PM
To generalize even more, if you think Cassel is an adequate NFL starting QB, then you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the NFL. HE JUST CAN'T PLAY. It couldn't be more obvious. It might not even be his fault, he may have truly maxed out his God-given ability--he just sucks. He's not good. If you watch Chiefs games and you think that if a few things fell a different way, Cassel could be an adequate starter--then you're completely ****ing clueless. You're stupid in terms of evaluating players. You should stop watching football because you're just not grasping even the most glaringly obvious aspects of the game. This is what is so mother-****ing mind-boggling when it comes to Pioli. How do you amass that much time at a job which pretty much revolves around evaluating football talent and miss this ****ing bad on the most important position on the field??? It makes no sense.

The only logical answer is that his bald-headed ****ing prick ego is so massive that he simply can't admit he made a mistake on Cassel, so he's hell bent on riding that mistake to wherever it takes him. If Clark Hunt has one shred of consideration for Chiefs' fans, Pioli's prick ego should take him straight to the unemployment line as soon as the season ends. ****ing bald-headed prick!

LMAO Which team do you work for again?

JohnnyHammersticks
08-25-2012, 04:50 PM
LMAO Which team do you work for again?

Listen buddy, I don't know if you're blind, or you're just ****ing stupid--but either way, it's pretty obvious that I lose more NFL quarterback evaluation ability in my morning dumps than you've amassed in a lifetime.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 04:51 PM
Listen buddy, I don't know if you're blind, or you're just ****ing stupid--but either way, it's pretty obvious that I lose more NFL quarterback evaluation ability in my morning dumps than you've amassed in a lifetime.

LMAO doing what? Evaulating other posters opinions on the internet? Playing Madden? Go back to your hot pockets dude. LMAO

BossChief
08-25-2012, 04:53 PM
I find it silly that when Stanzis receivers drop good passes or he gets poor protection, Stanzi takes the blame...when the same thing happens to Cassel, he gets defended.

RunKC
08-25-2012, 04:53 PM
I'm wondering what this city is going to do when Cassel sucks again this year and Pioli starts him in 2013?

ChiefsandO'sfan
08-25-2012, 04:55 PM
I'm wondering what this city is going to do when Cassel sucks again this year and Pioli starts him in 2013?

Gonna Happen.

RunKC
08-25-2012, 04:58 PM
Gonna Happen.

What's gonna happen? Riots?

People are still gonna go to the games and give Clark his money. That's all he cares about.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 04:58 PM
I find it silly that when Stanzis receivers drop good passes or he gets poor protection, Stanzi takes the blame...when the same thing happens to Cassel, he gets defended.

Which plays that Stanzi was getting nailed to the cross on were dropped by the receiver?

The slant to Copper? Nope. Copper never even touched the ball.

The Fumble? Nah.

The sacks he took?

In case you didn't notice, no one has defended Cassel for the sacks he took, the interception, or the fumble. The difference is Cassel actually did some good in the game.

O.city
08-25-2012, 04:59 PM
I find it silly that when Stanzis receivers drop good passes or he gets poor protection, Stanzi takes the blame...when the same thing happens to Cassel, he gets defended.

Who exactly has done that?

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:01 PM
"cassel was just trying to make a play"

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:01 PM
Cassell took the sack so it wouldn't get intercepted a couple of times. Veteran savvy there

philfree
08-25-2012, 05:02 PM
I'm wondering what this city is going to do when Cassel sucks again this year and Pioli starts him in 2013?

If Cassel doesn't play at least to the level he played at in 2010 and then they try and trot him out next year as the starter the fans in mass will stop buying tickets. The stadium will become Emptyhead with the Sea of Orange. (The color of most of the seats that will be empty.)

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:02 PM
Cassell took the sack so it wouldn't get intercepted a couple of times. Veteran savvy there

Yeah, except that pick 6.

Or the fumble in the red zone.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-25-2012, 05:03 PM
Give Cassel some more time. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the NFL will tell you that you can't accurately judge a quarterback until at least Year 8.

LMAO God Castle sucks...

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:03 PM
If Cassel doesn't play at least to the level he played at in 2010 and then they try and trot him out next year as the starter the fans in mass will stop buying tickets. The stadium will become Emptyhead with the Sea of Orange. (The color of most of the seats that will be empty.)

Sadly, you are wrong.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-25-2012, 05:04 PM
Cassel:

Reaching Herm-esque levels of fan support.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:06 PM
Yeah, except that pick 6.

Or the fumble in the red zone.

Could've been even worse. Leadership oozes out of the guy.

170 1 and 1 in two and a half quarters ain't that bad. You guys are acting like he looked like Ryan Leaf out there.

philfree
08-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Sadly, you are wrong.

It does take alot for the Chiefs homer fans to give up but I think they're pretty close to doing it. The sad thing is that there's a pretty good chance that we find out.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:11 PM
Which plays that Stanzi was getting nailed to the cross on were dropped by the receiver?

The slant to Copper? Nope. Copper never even touched the ball.

The Fumble? Nah.

The sacks he took?

In case you didn't notice, no one has defended Cassel for the sacks he took, the interception, or the fumble. The difference is Cassel actually did some good in the game.

Stanzi was 3-4 of his passes in that game and his only passthat wasnt completed was placed in the perfect spot. I have included the still to show as much.

Notice I also mentioned the protection and lets not act as if Stanzi didnt get put on the cross because of his pass protection.

He absolutely did.

Its a real shame this wasnt an open competition for the starters spot this offseason.

Id rather see Quinn or Stanzi out there as the starter.

JohnnyHammersticks
08-25-2012, 05:13 PM
LMAO doing what? Evaulating other posters opinions on the internet? Playing Madden? Go back to your hot pockets dude. LMAO

The funniest thing would be watching you pick up your teeth after you regained consciousness if you actually had the stupidity to say something like that to my face. If you ever came up to me in person you'd be picking hot pockets out of your asshole. Dude.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:14 PM
The Stanzi experiment is over. Fun while it lasted.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:14 PM
Could've been even worse. Leadership oozes out of the guy.

170 1 and 1 in two and a half quarters ain't that bad. You guys are acting like he looked like Ryan Leaf out there.

4.9 YPA

66 Rating

3 sacks

a pick 6

a fumble in the red zone

He sure oozed SOMETHING...I think it was shit running down his own pants leg.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 05:15 PM
It does take alot for the Chiefs homer fans to give up but I think they're pretty close to doing it. The sad thing is that there's a pretty good chance that we find out.

I know it was just preseason, but damn the stadium was empty last night.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 05:15 PM
The funniest thing would be watching you pick up your teeth after you regained consciousness if you actually had the stupidity to say something like that to my face. If you ever came up to me in person you'd be picking hot pockets out of your asshole. Dude.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/197/179/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:15 PM
The funniest thing would be watching you pick up your teeth after you regained consciousness if you actually had the stupidity to say something like that to my face. If you ever came up to me in person you'd be picking hot pockets out of your asshole. Dude.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m91fbepUjR1qitp7go1_250.gif

Reported.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 05:17 PM
Stanzi was 3-4 of his passes in that game and his only passthat wasnt completed was placed in the perfect spot. I have included the still to show as much.

Notice I also mentioned the protection and lets not act as if Stanzi didnt get put on the cross because of his pass protection.

He absolutely did.

Its a real shame this wasnt an open competition for the starters spot this offseason.

Id rather see Quinn or Stanzi out there as the starter.

Cassel didn't exactly have all worldly protection either. He scrambled quite a bit and made plays while doing it.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Cassel didn't exactly have all worldly protection either. He scrambled quite a bit and made plays while doing it.

Too bad those plays were for the wrong team.

jd1020
08-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Too bad those plays were for the wrong team.

Really? Bowe's only catch in the game. McClusters TD...

JohnnyHammersticks
08-25-2012, 05:22 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m91fbepUjR1qitp7go1_250.gif

Reported.

Your lack of courage actually exceeds your lack of football knowledge--and that's saying something.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:25 PM
Really? Bowe's only catch in the game. McClusters TD...

He threw 34 passes in less than 3 quarters.

Dexter wasnt even covered...thats the only type of pass he completes over 10 yards.

Did I see some improvement in Cassel in the game? Sure, he made a couple plays that showed promise.

The trouble is that his mistakes erased everything good that he did.

philfree
08-25-2012, 05:27 PM
I know it was just preseason, but damn the stadium was empty last night.

And they were pushing 3 game packs during the game which means they need to sell alot more tickets to fill the seats. And those terrible commercials they are running with Eric Berry/Romeo talking about the Chiefs history and fans are just awful. If we had a good team or a star QB we'd have full stadium we wouldn't being see that shit.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:28 PM
Your lack of courage actually exceeds your lack of football knowledge--and that's saying something.

Courage to do what exactly? Act like an internet Badass?

Go root for a different team fake fan

Coogs
08-25-2012, 05:30 PM
He threw 34 passes in less than 3 quarters.

Dexter wasnt even covered...thats the only type of pass he completes over 10 yards.

Did I see some improvement in Cassel in the game? Sure, he made a couple plays that showed promise.

The trouble is that his mistakes erased everything good that he did.

Save it BossChief. The ballwashers are out in force defending the 44-7 hole our team was in with their boy behind center.

edit: probably better say 37-7 hole before I piss them off.

Gonzo
08-25-2012, 05:33 PM
The funniest thing would be watching you pick up your teeth after you regained consciousness if you actually had the stupidity to say something like that to my face. If you ever came up to me in person you'd be picking hot pockets out of your asshole. Dude.

Are you seriously threatening LACFan of all people?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:37 PM
Are you seriously threatening LACFan of all people?

He doesn't realize that I have a particular set of skills.

Gonzo
08-25-2012, 05:38 PM
He doesn't realize that I have a special set of skills.

You are a master cock-puncher.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:38 PM
Save it BossChief. The ballwashers are out in force defending the 44-7 hole our team was in with their boy behind center.

edit: probably better say 37-7 hole before I piss them off.

This game wasnt much different that the rest of the blowouts where Cassel was the qb.

The offense couldn't move the ball an inch and it put the defense into short fields and that makes it hard on them...especially when the offense comes off the field so quickly over and over...it gives the defense no time to work on adjustments and rest.

Shit, Cassel DID throw 2 touchdowns, though.

One to Dexter (when he wasn't covered) and one to the defense.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:39 PM
You are a master cock-puncher.

LMAO reported

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:40 PM
He doesn't realize that I have a particular set of skills.

You dont have money?

Does your daughter want to be a singer?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 05:40 PM
You dont have money?

Does your daughter want to be a singer?

Was that in the movie?

Gonzo
08-25-2012, 05:41 PM
LMAO reported

ROFL
Right in the dick.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 05:42 PM
This game wasnt much different that the rest of the blowouts where Cassel was the qb.

The offense couldn't move the ball an inch and it put the defense into short fields and that makes it hard on them...especially when the offense comes off the field so quickly over and over...it gives the defense no time to work on adjustments and rest.

Shit, Cassel DID throw 2 touchdowns, though.

One to Dexter (when he wasn't covered) and one to the defense.

I know. I watched the same game at my house that you saw at your house. All three games this preseason too.

I'm right with you on nearly evey point you have made these last couple of weeks.

Dylan
08-25-2012, 05:43 PM
What's sad is this: Ryan Mallett looked much improved for my Pats last night. We could trade you a backup QB again and send you Brian Hoyer, who sucks balls. And I think Hoyer would still probably step in and play better than Cassel."[/i]

What's sad is this: Who wants to trade for your garbage?

BossChief
08-25-2012, 05:46 PM
If this team trades for another teams backup quarterback again...I don't know if I can keep myself from boxing up everything I have that's red and putting it away for a few years.

Fish
08-25-2012, 06:21 PM
The funniest thing would be watching you pick up your teeth after you regained consciousness if you actually had the stupidity to say something like that to my face. If you ever came up to me in person you'd be picking hot pockets out of your asshole. Dude.

Why would you want to put Hot Pockets in other dudes' assholes? That's creepy...

milkman
08-25-2012, 06:23 PM
Why would you want to put Hot Pockets in other dudes' assholes? That's creepy...

He doesnt have a microwave?

:shrug:

chiefzilla1501
08-25-2012, 06:48 PM
Why would you want to put Hot Pockets in other dudes' assholes? That's creepy...

Yet somewhat intriguing.

They've always tasted like ass. Just saying.

Guru
08-25-2012, 07:00 PM
I don't believe even for a second that Pioli's job is on the line in any way, shape or form.

THIS. He will be extended at the end of the season even if we go winless.

No. I don't think we will go winless.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 07:02 PM
They cant fire Pioli.

Who would they replace him with?

WilliamTheIrish
08-25-2012, 07:04 PM
Are you seriously threatening LACFan of all people?

Gonzo, forgive me for asking this question. But are you seriously considering what hammersticks posted as a threat to LACF?

I'm asking because the latitude for banishment has become a little wider in recent months. I know that an overt threat is going to get a member the hook.

But I read this as a "F you, LACF" rather than a threat.

DTLB58
08-25-2012, 07:08 PM
What is funny is that all the other teams in the NFL are sitting there laughing at the Chiefs and the QB Situation. No other GM would touch this guy.

How much longer is Clark going to put up with Cassel/Pioli IF this season is sub .500?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 07:14 PM
Gonzo, forgive me for asking this question. But are you seriously considering what hammersticks posted as a threat to LACF?

I'm asking because the latitude for banishment has become a little wider in recent months. I know that an overt threat is going to get a member the hook.

But I read this as a "F you, LACF" rather than a threat.

i didnt really report the guy, i was just fucking with him.

his mommy gave him too much protein in his muscle milk shake this morning

Gonzo
08-25-2012, 07:22 PM
Gonzo, forgive me for asking this question. But are you seriously considering what hammersticks posted as a threat to LACF?

I'm asking because the latitude for banishment has become a little wider in recent months. I know that an overt threat is going to get a member the hook.

But I read this as a "F you, LACF" rather than a threat.

Lol, you caught that did ya? I was trying to bait him into saying yes.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/157/ackbar.jpg

WilliamTheIrish
08-25-2012, 07:24 PM
Oh, gotcha. Sorry for the interruption. On with the show.

durtyrute
08-25-2012, 07:54 PM
This is, yet again, why I have been saying START STANZI. We know what we have in Matt. That gif of him jumping and falling on his ass pretty much sums it up. Stanzi is an unknown. He came in the last game and basically did the exact same thing that Matt did this game, yet Matt has been in the league longer and is our fucking starter. If we start Stanzi, and he succeeds, we succeed. If he fails, we fail and we get our guy next year. I don't think he will fail, but that is besides the point. Cassel has got to go and at some point in time we need a real look at what we have on the roster. A couple of snaps in preseason is not a big enough sample size. Anyone remember Cassel's first season, why can't Stanzi get a shot if Can'tsel can continue to play after the awful start he had?

el borracho
08-25-2012, 08:01 PM
Over whom?

Well, that answers it indirectly. Ask a Packers fan if they are satisfied with Aaron Rogers as their starting quarterback and they wouldn't need 1 second to say "yes". They certainly wouldn't need any qualifying information or respond with a question like "over whom?"

So the truth is that you are not satisfied with Cassel but you don't believe there have been any better options available to the Chiefs. Am I correct?

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 08:12 PM
Well, that answers it indirectly. Ask a Packers fan if they are satisfied with Aaron Rogers as their starting quarterback and they wouldn't need 1 second to say "yes". They certainly wouldn't need any qualifying information or respond with a question like "over whom?"

So the truth is that you are not satisfied with Cassel but you don't believe there have been any better options available to the Chiefs. Am I correct?

Sure, I'll take Rodgers over Cassell. What's your point?

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-25-2012, 08:17 PM
They cant fire Pioli.

Who would they replace him with?

They are still salivating over Newsome's lackey with the Ravens.

el borracho
08-25-2012, 08:21 PM
I was trying to confirm whether or not your Cassel campaign is real or feigned. You've been running the same gag for so long it became questionable in my mind. I am relieved to know that it is an act.

L.A. Chieffan
08-25-2012, 08:33 PM
I was trying to confirm whether or not your Cassel campaign is real or feigned. You've been running the same gag for so long it became questionable in my mind. I am relieved to know that it is an act.

Uh yeah, if you asked about 90% of team's fans if they would take their starting quarterback over Rodgers theyre probably going to say NO. I never said Cassell was an elite guy. But so what, Matt Hasselbeck and Rex Grossman aren't elite guys. Alex Smith isnt an elite guy. Brad Johnson wasnt an elite guy. Just because your team doesnt have an elite guy doesnt mean your team is fucked.

BossChief
08-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Those teams didn't "consistently compete for superbowls."

Chocolate Hog
08-25-2012, 08:49 PM
They cant fire Pioli.

Who would they replace him with?

Another GM?

el borracho
08-25-2012, 09:22 PM
Uh yeah, if you asked about 90% of team's fans if they would take their starting quarterback over Rodgers theyre probably going to say NO. I never said Cassell was an elite guy. But so what, Matt Hasselbeck and Rex Grossman aren't elite guys. Alex Smith isnt an elite guy. Brad Johnson wasnt an elite guy. Just because your team doesnt have an elite guy doesnt mean your team is ****ed.
Well, I wouldn't guess it at 90%.
By my reckoning...

Top tier:
Rogers
Brady
Brees
E. Manning
Roethlisberger

2nd tier:
Stafford
Romo
Rivers
Ryan
Flacco
(arguably) P. Manning

Potential
Luck
Newton
Bradford
Dalton
Griffin III

That is right at half the league's teams who are most likely satisfied with their starting QBs. If the goal is to win one or more Super Bowls, then everyone else should be looking for a franchise guy. IIRC, building a dynasty is one of Pioli's stated goals. Coincidentally, I would very much like to see the Chiefs build a dynasty which is where the frustration comes in.

Like you and Stevie, I can enjoy seasons like we had in the 90s but at some point I would like to see the Chiefs contend for something more than that. After a couple of decades, my patience is worn thin. What's more, I see Cassel as an impediment to achieving even the mediocre success of the 90s. I see Cassel as a weight that the rest of the team has to bear.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 11:08 PM
Well, I wouldn't guess it at 90%.
By my reckoning...

Top tier:
Rogers
Brady
Brees
E. Manning
Roethlisberger

2nd tier:
Stafford
Romo
Rivers
Ryan
Flacco
(arguably) P. Manning

Potential
Luck
Newton
Bradford
Dalton
Griffin III

That is right at half the league's teams who are most likely satisfied with their starting QBs. If the goal is to win one or more Super Bowls, then everyone else should be looking for a franchise guy. IIRC, building a dynasty is one of Pioli's stated goals. Coincidentally, I would very much like to see the Chiefs build a dynasty which is where the frustration comes in.

Like you and Stevie, I can enjoy seasons like we had in the 90s but at some point I would like to see the Chiefs contend for something more than that. After a couple of decades, my patience is worn thin. What's more, I see Cassel as an impediment to achieving even the mediocre success of the 90s. I see Cassel as a weight that the rest of the team has to bear.

Thing is, your top tier guys have all won Super Bowls. And one of your 2nd tier guys has.

You have enough guys listed that are all Super Bowl caliber QB's in your bottom 2 categories that some will never get the job done. Yet we are saddled with a guy who is not even on the list.

Chiefs Super Bowl chances... next to nil right now.

RunKC
08-25-2012, 11:12 PM
Well, I wouldn't guess it at 90%.
By my reckoning...

Top tier:
Rogers
Brady
Brees
E. Manning
Roethlisberger

2nd tier:
Stafford
Romo
Rivers
Ryan
Flacco
(arguably) P. Manning

Potential
Luck
Newton
Bradford
Dalton
Griffin III

That is right at half the league's teams who are most likely satisfied with their starting QBs. If the goal is to win one or more Super Bowls, then everyone else should be looking for a franchise guy. IIRC, building a dynasty is one of Pioli's stated goals. Coincidentally, I would very much like to see the Chiefs build a dynasty which is where the frustration comes in.

Like you and Stevie, I can enjoy seasons like we had in the 90s but at some point I would like to see the Chiefs contend for something more than that. After a couple of decades, my patience is worn thin. What's more, I see Cassel as an impediment to achieving even the mediocre success of the 90s. I see Cassel as a weight that the rest of the team has to bear.

Stafford will become elite and Luck will become 2nd tier during the season.

Coogs
08-25-2012, 11:18 PM
Stafford will become elite and Luck will become 2nd tier during the season.

Possible. But bottom line is that he has enough QB's listed that can legitimly win Super Bowls over the next 10 to 12 years that there will not be that many left to go around for QB's not on that list. We are not on that list.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2012, 11:29 PM
Well, I wouldn't guess it at 90%.
By my reckoning...

Top tier:
Rogers
Brady
Brees
E. Manning
Roethlisberger

2nd tier:
Stafford
Romo
Rivers
Ryan
Flacco
(arguably) P. Manning

Potential
Luck
Newton
Bradford
Dalton
Griffin III

.
ROFL Peyton is still top tier and you know it.

SNR
08-25-2012, 11:32 PM
ROFL Peyton is still top tier and you know it.

NFL

Not For Long

He hasn't played for a year and people are already writing him off. He's gotta prove it this year if he wants back into the club.

Hasn't done it this preseason so far. We'll see in a few weeks what he's made of.

Von Dumbass
08-25-2012, 11:43 PM
NFL

Not For Long

He hasn't played for a year and people are already writing him off. He's gotta prove it this year if he wants back into the club.

Hasn't done it this preseason so far. We'll see in a few weeks what he's made of.

He was top tier in 2010 and he is healthier right now than he was then. He may not have 100% of his arm strength back but he is close and people in the know are expecting Peyton to be at 100% by October.

Coach
08-25-2012, 11:49 PM
He was top tier in 2010 and he is healthier right now than he was then. He may not have 100% of his arm strength back but he is close and people in the know are expecting Peyton to be at 100% by October.

That's why we play the game, n00b. Manning has to PROVE to us that he still has it, to be reconsidered a top tier.

JD10367
08-26-2012, 01:06 AM
What's sad is this: Who wants to trade for your garbage?

What's sad is this: shut your whore mouth and mind your own business, douchebag.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-26-2012, 06:29 AM
ROFL Peyton is still top tier and you know it.

No, he really isn't. Damon Huard.

Healthier than 2010 lol stop with the trolling dude.