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Deberg_1990
08-28-2012, 10:51 AM
Has it ever been proven use of PEDs could take down a plane?







http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=13835&cid=TW151




WASHINGTON – Given the widespread consumer use of portable electronic devices (PEDs), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is forming a government-industry group to study the current PED policies and procedures aircraft operators use to determine when these devices can be used safely during flight. Current FAA regulations require an aircraft operator to determine that radio frequency interference from PEDs are not a flight safety risk before the operator authorizes them for use during certain phases of flight.

“With so many different types of devices available, we recognize that this is an issue of consumer interest,” said Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. “Safety is our highest priority, and we must set appropriate standards as we help the industry consider when passengers can use the latest technologies safely during a flight.”

The government-industry group will examine a variety of issues, including the testing methods aircraft operators use to determine which new technologies passengers can safely use aboard aircraft and when they can use them. The group will also look at the establishment of technological standards associated with the use of PEDs during any phase of flight. The group will then present its recommendations to the FAA. The group will not consider the airborne use of cell phones for voice communications during flight.

“We’re looking for information to help air carriers and operators decide if they can allow more widespread use of electronic devices in today’s aircraft,” said Acting FAA Administrator Michael Huerta. “We also want solid safety data to make sure tomorrow’s aircraft designs are protected from interference.”

The government–industry group, established through an Aviation Rulemaking Committee, will be formally established this fall and will meet for six months. It will include representatives from the mobile technology and aviation manufacturing industries, pilot and flight attendant groups, airlines, and passenger associations.

As the first step in gathering information for the working group, the FAA is seeking public input on the agency’s current PED policies, guidance and procedures for operators. The Request for Comments, which will appear in the Federal Register on August 28th, is part of a data-driven agency initiative to review the methods and criteria operators use to permit PEDs during flights.

The FAA is seeking comments in the following areas:

Operational, safety and security challenges associated with expanding PED use.
Data sharing between aircraft operators and manufacturers to facilitate authorization of PED use.
Necessity of new certification regulations requiring new aircraft designs to tolerate PED emissions.
Information-sharing for manufacturers who already have proven PED and aircraft system compatibility to provide information to operators for new and modified aircraft.
Development of consumer electronics industry standards for aircraft-friendly PEDs, or aircraft-compatible modes of operation.
Required publication of aircraft operators’ PED policies.
Restriction of PED use during takeoff, approach, landing and abnormal conditions to avoid distracting passengers during safety briefings and prevent possible injury to passengers.
Development of standards for systems that actively detect potentially hazardous PED emissions.
Technical challenges associated with further PED usage, and support from PED manufacturers to commercial aircraft operators.

Donger
08-28-2012, 10:54 AM
Has it ever been proven use of PEDs could take down a plane?

No, at least not in mid-air.

Reerun_KC
08-28-2012, 10:55 AM
I forget to turn off my mobile phone all the time. Most of the time I lay it on the center console when we are cruising across the country at 39,000 Ft. Its such a hoax....

Donger
08-28-2012, 10:57 AM
I forget to turn off my mobile phone all the time. Most of the time I lay it on the center console when we are cruising across the country at 39,000 Ft. Its such a hoax....

The prohibited use of cellular phones on aircraft isn't really about aircraft safety, it's more about causing issues with the cellular networks on the ground.

Saulbadguy
08-28-2012, 10:58 AM
The prohibited use of cellular phones on aircraft isn't really about aircraft safety, it's more about causing issues with the cellular networks on the ground.

I turn mine to airplane mode but I won't turn it off. Waste of time.

Donger
08-28-2012, 10:59 AM
I turn mine to airplane mode but I won't turn it off. Waste of time.

Indeed.

Reerun_KC
08-28-2012, 11:00 AM
The prohibited use of cellular phones on aircraft isn't really about aircraft safety, it's more about causing issues with the cellular networks on the ground.

and hows that?

CaliforniaChief
08-28-2012, 11:03 AM
Wouldn't it be more an issue of just the annoyance of having 100 people in a cabin all talking to someone on the phone at the same time?

DaFace
08-28-2012, 11:10 AM
and hows that?

The basic idea is that you're moving so fast that you're changing from tower to tower in a matter of seconds. All that handing off causes a lot of unneeded traffic between towers. Or something like that.

[/not an expert]

Donger
08-28-2012, 11:13 AM
and hows that?

Our cellular system was designed to be terrestrially-based. When you have a cellular phone not in airplane mode in an aircraft moving at 500 mph at 40,000 feet, it's being "heard" by the cell towers. It can cause issues.

saphojunkie
08-28-2012, 11:35 AM
I turn mine to airplane mode but I won't turn it off. Waste of time.

I hate people like you. Flying sucks enough as is. Turn your goddamn phone off.

Reerun_KC
08-28-2012, 11:36 AM
Our cellular system was designed to be terrestrially-based. When you have a cellular phone not in airplane mode in an aircraft moving at 500 mph at 40,000 feet, it's being "heard" by the cell towers. It can cause issues.

It just pisses me off when I forget. It drains my battery if we are going too far.

Reerun_KC
08-28-2012, 11:37 AM
Hell flying along at 5000-6000 feet in a small plane. I have plugged my phone into my Headset and have made calls and visited with people why flying.

saphojunkie
08-28-2012, 11:40 AM
It just pisses me off when I forget. It drains my battery if we are going too far.

I don't understand people who "forget." Are these the same people who somehow still have their laced-up shoes still on when they get right up to the metal detector?

There's a protocol. Quit fucking with the protocol. I know my shit's irrational, but I don't care. I want people to turn off their phones, because it helps me create my fantasy of safety.

Reerun_KC
08-28-2012, 11:42 AM
I don't understand people who "forget." Are these the same people who somehow still have their laced-up shoes still on when they get right up to the metal detector?

There's a protocol. Quit ****ing with the protocol. I know my shit's irrational, but I don't care. I want people to turn off their phones, because it helps me create my fantasy of safety.

You know whats worse? When the other pilot I am flying with forgets to turn his off as well. Then we both get to our destination with almost dead phones.

Reerun_KC
08-28-2012, 11:43 AM
My buddy flys a Lear 60 here in OKC. They have onboard wifi and internet. Our next beachjet will have internet and wifi...

Posting on CP from FL390 would be pretty funny....

Saulbadguy
08-28-2012, 11:45 AM
I hate people like you. Flying sucks enough as is. Turn your goddamn phone off.

No, denied.

loochy
08-28-2012, 11:54 AM
Hell flying along at 5000-6000 feet in a small plane. I have plugged my phone into my Headset and have made calls and visited with people why flying.

For sure broseph. I talk on my phone all the time using my bluetooth headset while going 120 down the freeway in rush hour on my stolen ninja motorcycle while surfing the web on my laptop that is tethered to the sweet iphone that I jacked from the poor mexican dude that was trimming the hedges at my bazillion dollar mansion in beverly hills BRO.

Brock
08-28-2012, 11:56 AM
I hate people like you. Flying sucks enough as is. Turn your goddamn phone off.

There's no reason to turn if off.

Reerun_KC
08-28-2012, 11:56 AM
For sure broseph. I talk on my phone all the time using my bluetooth headset while going 120 down the freeway in rush hour on my stolen ninja motorcycle while surfing the web on my laptop that is tethered to the sweet iphone that I jacked from the poor mexican dude that was trimming the hedges at my bazillion dollar mansion in beverly hills BRO.

Midnight Vulture is back...... Hes hacked Loochy's account.

noa
08-28-2012, 12:12 PM
Wouldn't it be more an issue of just the annoyance of having 100 people in a cabin all talking to someone on the phone at the same time?

Yep, I hope they maintain the rule just for the sake of my sanity. Being surrounded by a bunch of people yapping on their phones would drive me nuts.
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alpha_omega
08-28-2012, 12:16 PM
There's no reason to turn if off.

Uhhh, except that it's the rule.

Brock
08-28-2012, 12:17 PM
Uhhh, except that it's the rule.

Airplane mode accomplishes the same purpose.

loochy
08-28-2012, 12:20 PM
Airplane mode accomplishes the same purpose.

YOU ARE A BAD PERSON

Just Passin' By
08-28-2012, 12:22 PM
Uhhh, except that it's the rule.

Stupid rules are made to be broken.