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El Jefe
08-29-2012, 11:59 AM
Could be in any Sport. My favorite player of All time is Dikemebe Mutombo (laugh all you want), as a kid I always liked watching him play. Then when he started the finger wag, I was on-board. The other play I really came to appreciate was Dennis Rodman, without the worm the Bulls wouldn't be as good as they were. When Rodman was on the court he played at 110%, he was like a Charles Oakley on crack, just the kind of player a dynasty team needs. Yes he is mentally unstable, but on the court he gets it in!

How about you guys, who did you appreciate doing all the work in the trenches? It can be any sport.

Inmem58
08-29-2012, 12:02 PM
Nice thread.


For some odd reason my favorite non-super star was Andre Rison. I guess it was my liking for the Chiefs and Spiderman. It was like peas and carrots.

El Jefe
08-29-2012, 12:04 PM
Nice thread.


For some odd reason my favorite non-susper star was Andre Rison. I guess it was my liking for the Chiefs and Spiderman. It was like peas and carrots.

Yep, always loved his spiderman pose.

Rain Man
08-29-2012, 12:05 PM
If we define a superstar as a Hall of Famer, my favorite non-superstars were Otis Taylor and Deron Cherry and Albert Lewis.

If we define a superstar as someone who made the pro bowl, I'd go to guys like Todd McNair and Danan Hughes, guys who went all out in minor roles.

My favorite non-Chief non-Hall of Famer is likely Kenny Easley of the Seahawks.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-29-2012, 12:07 PM
Frank White... all time favorite
Al Cowens
U.L. Washington
Darrell Porter (as a Royal)
John Wathan
Willie Wilson
Steve Mingori
Dennis Leonard
Quiz
Joe Randa
Kevin Seitzer


Stephone Paige
Deron Cherry
Albert Lewis
Gary Barbaro
James Hasty
Priest Holmes


Reggie Theus (Yes I watched the KC Kings)

Stewie
08-29-2012, 12:11 PM
Rufus R. Jones

seclark
08-29-2012, 12:11 PM
tony twist
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Rooster
08-29-2012, 12:12 PM
The Chiefs

Big Smoke
08-29-2012, 12:12 PM
Joe Randa.

Rausch
08-29-2012, 12:13 PM
Barry Foster, Kevin Greene, Natrone Means, Okoye, Deberg, "Iron Head" Heyward, Rickey Watters, Merril Hodge, Levon Kirkland ( no one that big should ever move that fast), Deuce McAlister, Steve motherfucking DeBerg and Keith motherfucking Cash...

Old Dog
08-29-2012, 12:14 PM
Rufus R. Jones

He said NON-superstar.....Rooofuth Jone gonna whomp you wif a big ol' soup bone upside yo head

Old Dog
08-29-2012, 12:15 PM
Chiefs - Delaney
Royals - Patek

La literatura
08-29-2012, 12:16 PM
Jeff Hornacek

Rausch
08-29-2012, 12:17 PM
Jeff Hornacek

I always used the Jazz as well...

blaise
08-29-2012, 12:21 PM
Steve Smith for the Panthers, unless he counts as too much of a superstar. He's one of my favorite players in any sport.

John Starks.

Fire Me Boy!
08-29-2012, 12:30 PM
Mike Mazlowski.[/endthread]

loochy
08-29-2012, 12:32 PM
Danny Tartabull
Jim Eisenreich

bricks
08-29-2012, 12:35 PM
Hockey:

Wendel Clark...Tough as nails. The guy could hit, fight and score. A unique combination because not to many guys can do that. And on top of that, he had one of the best wrist shots in the league when he was playing.

Gary Roberts....Same type of player like Clark. Except this guy came back to play hockey after he ****ed up his neck. And he was still hitting guys left, right and center. And is an ULTIMATE workout warrior in the gym, which IMO, contributed to prolonging his career. Roberts played into his 40s. Roberts didn't have the greatest set of skills, but he was a scrapper and fought hard for goals. His fortitude was prolly the best I've seen from any hockey player. Typical guy you'd love to have on your team but hate to play against. What I really liked about him was that he was clutch.

Fishpicker
08-29-2012, 12:38 PM
Dan Saleaumua, Kimble Anders, Tony Richardson

baseball - Barry Zito, Tim Wakefield

basketball - Jerome Kersey, Charles Oakley

boxing - James Toney

mma - Kazuhiro Nakamua, Karo Parisyan

Chiefnj2
08-29-2012, 12:39 PM
Chiefs: Cherry, Dave Szott, Keith Cash, Saleamua.

Non-Chiefs: Greene, Tasker, Romanowski, Craig, Aeneas Williams,

Rausch
08-29-2012, 12:39 PM
Mike Mazlowski.[/endthread]

RAAAAAAAWWWWWWWR!:cuss:

listopencil
08-29-2012, 12:39 PM
Howard Griffith
Mike Ricci

Lots of others.

raybec 4
08-29-2012, 12:40 PM
Tommy Herr, Steve Kline for baseball

Kimble Anders and T Rich

El Jefe
08-29-2012, 12:41 PM
Dan Saleaumua, Kimble Anders, Tony Richardson

baseball - Barry Zito, Tim Wakefield

basketball - Jerome Kersey, Charles Oakleyboxing - James Toney

mma - Kazuhiro Nakamua, Karo Parisyan

Yep, gotta love ol Oaktree

Chief Gump
08-29-2012, 12:47 PM
Always loved Tim Dwight from Iowa. Little fucker would run like a wild man when he had the ball. He was a tiny little guy for the NFL too.

Lightrise
08-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Could be in any Sport. My favorite player of All time is Dikemebe Mutombo (laugh all you want), as a kid I always liked watching him play. Then when he started the finger wag, I was on-board. The other play I really came to appreciate was Dennis Rodman, without the worm the Bulls wouldn't be as good as they were. When Rodman was on the court he played at 110%, he was like a Charles Oakley on crack, just the kind of player a dynasty team needs. Yes he is mentally unstable, but on the court he gets it in!

How about you guys, who did you appreciate doing all the work in the trenches? It can be any sport.

Al Hrabosky - Pitcher Royals

ElGringo
08-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Kevin Ross

Lightrise
08-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Could be in any Sport. My favorite player of All time is Dikemebe Mutombo (laugh all you want), as a kid I always liked watching him play. Then when he started the finger wag, I was on-board. The other play I really came to appreciate was Dennis Rodman, without the worm the Bulls wouldn't be as good as they were. When Rodman was on the court he played at 110%, he was like a Charles Oakley on crack, just the kind of player a dynasty team needs. Yes he is mentally unstable, but on the court he gets it in!

How about you guys, who did you appreciate doing all the work in the trenches? It can be any sport.

Dave Wickersham LOL

Ceej
08-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Chris Sabo.

Mike Maslowski.

Kirk Hinrich.

Drew Gooden.

Sofa King
08-29-2012, 01:05 PM
Toni Kukoc, Chicago Bulls

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Tim Dwight was a good one. Ed McCaffrey was fun to watch go across the middle, although he was a stinky fucking donkey.

CoMoChief
08-29-2012, 01:05 PM
Kirk Hinrich

Rausch
08-29-2012, 01:07 PM
Stockton.

Back when I gave a $3it about the NBA it was him and Mookie.

The underdogs...

blaise
08-29-2012, 01:09 PM
Calvin Peete

whoman69
08-29-2012, 01:12 PM
Duh, Eddie Podolak

Deberg_1990
08-29-2012, 01:30 PM
Lin Ellliott

He was just a cool, humble guy, positive role model for the kids. 85% FG pct. lifetime

tooge
08-29-2012, 01:34 PM
Tracy Simeon
Tim Grunhard
Lonnie Marts
Barry Word

lcarus
08-29-2012, 01:41 PM
Darrell Armstrong when he was with Orlando.

FRCDFED
08-29-2012, 01:42 PM
Basketball: James Worthy, Kevin McHale, the former G for the Phoenix Suns that shot all those 3 pointers (played with Barkley).

Football: Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater (even though he was a donk), Eric Dickerson.

Buehler445
08-29-2012, 01:50 PM
Toni Kukoc, Chicago Bulls
.

LOL I got a buddy that LOVES Kukoc. I think he would have his baby if he could. I think he thought he was every bit as good as Jordan.

Buehler445
08-29-2012, 01:57 PM
I like Tasker. He's from Leoti.

Richardson. Watching him work was a thing of fucking beauty.

Shields. Does he count?

I liked Kerr when he was with Chicago. The fact that Jordan gave him the ball for the last shot speaks volumes.

Does Penny Hardaway count? He was really fucking good for a few years. I really liked his game.

El Jefe
08-29-2012, 02:08 PM
Stockton.

Back when I gave a $3it about the NBA it was him and Mookie.

The underdogs...

Mookie Blaylock, he was a baller

El Jefe
08-29-2012, 02:09 PM
Basketball: James Worthy, Kevin McHale, the former G for the Phoenix Suns that shot all those 3 pointers (played with Barkley).

Football: Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater (even though he was a donk), Eric Dickerson.

Majerle? Danny Ainge?

DJ's left nut
08-29-2012, 02:34 PM
Basketball (professional): Derek Fisher
Basketball (amateur): Melvin Booker
Football (Pro): Lake Dawson
Football (college): Brock Olivo
Baseball: Honestly, it may be Daniel Descalso. I freakin' love that guy
Hockey: Pierre Turgeon was no longer a superstar when I was watching, so I'm going with Pierre.

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-29-2012, 02:35 PM
There are just too many.... here's a few...

Chiefs

Steve Deberg
Tony Richardson
James Hasty
Brandon Carr


NFL

Mike Alstott
Greg Lloyd
Scott Case
John Randle


MLB

Kenny Lofton
Vince Coleman
Pudge Rodriguez
Cecil Fielder

All time favorite...

Omar Visquel - One of the best fielding shortstops in the history of the game. The dude was just quietly awesome.

WV
08-29-2012, 03:38 PM
Football - Ronnie Lott, Okoye, Iron Head Heyward, Dan Saleamua, Steve DeBerg

Bball - Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Orlando Woolridge

Hockey - Dave Andreychuk, Felix Potvin

Baseball - Micky Tettleton, David Eckstein, Mike Gallego

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-29-2012, 03:40 PM
Omar Vizquel
Dan Majerle
Rex Hudler

Chiefspants
08-29-2012, 03:41 PM
Mike Maslowski, I loved him when I was a kid, and the little stability our 2003 defense had disappeared after his injury.

Baby Lee
08-29-2012, 04:19 PM
Vinnie 'The Microwave' Johnson is the first that comes to mind.

I'm blanking on the name, but there was a Royals middle innings pitcher that had the worst luck, but I rooted for him every outing. I recall a particular inning where he can in tied 0-0, no outs. He threw 10 pitches;

1, 2, 3 --> XO

1, 2, 3 --> 2XO

1 pitch --> solo HR

then 1, 2, 3 --> XO to end inning.

They lost the game 0-1 and of course the loss went on his record.

Saulbadguy
08-29-2012, 04:22 PM
Joakim Noah

chefsos
08-29-2012, 04:22 PM
Omar Vizquel
Dan Majerle
Rex HudlerThat guy's gonna be the link in every "Six Degrees of Baseball Separation" discussion for the next 100 years!


Scott McGregor
Dave Concepcion
Benny Ayala
Dan Pastorini
Pelle Lindbergh
Rich Scanlon

Buehler445
08-29-2012, 04:31 PM
Joakim Noah

I assume you're trolling? I hate that guy.

durtyrute
08-29-2012, 04:40 PM
Lin Ellliott

He was just a cool, humble guy, positive role model for the kids. 85% FG pct. lifetime

wait.......what did you say?

How did everyone miss this?

Rain Man
08-29-2012, 05:31 PM
Tracy Simeon
Tim Grunhard
Lonnie Marts
Barry Word


Simeon was one of those guys who never got the credit he deserved. And that reminds me of Anthony Davis, who I would list as one of my favorite non-star Chiefs. That guy was darn good, but he got lost in the shuffle of those really strong Chiefs defenses.

MOhillbilly
08-29-2012, 06:07 PM
Glenn Montgomery. Played dt for u of h, Houston oilers, and the seahawks. Was diagnosed with als and passed shortly after. My uncle introduced us his junior or senior year of college.

New World Order
08-29-2012, 06:08 PM
Tony Richardson for sure

Caseyguyrr
08-29-2012, 06:32 PM
terrell owens and ochocinco. very upstanding and respectful players. both put in 110% everyday of the week with no complaints

Saulbadguy
08-29-2012, 06:58 PM
I assume you're trolling? I hate that guy.

Of course not. He's awesome. Great personality.

Gadzooks
08-29-2012, 07:05 PM
Easy...
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Marcellus
08-29-2012, 07:15 PM
James Hasty
Tracy Simeon
Louie Aguilar
Mark Collins
T-Rich
Kimbel Anders

rico
08-29-2012, 08:03 PM
Baseball: Ray Lankford, Vince Coleman, Willie Mcgee, Ivan Calderon

Boxing: Ike Ibeabuchi, Joe Calzaghe

Basketball: Scott Thurman, Corliss Williamson

Otter
08-29-2012, 08:15 PM
Tim Grunhard

Frazod
08-29-2012, 08:19 PM
From the Chiefs, Boerighter, Hasty, Kennison, Saleamua.

New World Order
08-29-2012, 08:26 PM
Baseball: Ray Lankford, Vince Coleman, Willie Mcgee, Ivan Calderon

Boxing: Ike Ibeabuchi, Joe Calzaghe

Basketball: Scott Thurman, Corliss Williamson



Damn I remember Scotty Thurman, can't believe he didn't even make a nba roster

Chiefaholic
08-29-2012, 08:34 PM
Greg Manusky
Dave Szott
Anthony Davis (Chiefs LB)
John Alt

cdcox
08-29-2012, 09:13 PM
Football: Ronnie Lott

Football - Ronnie Lott

Dang, this is a tough crowd. Named to the 75th NFL Anniversary team and you're still not a Super-Star.

MOhillbilly
08-29-2012, 09:19 PM
Joe Phillips

Frazod
08-29-2012, 09:21 PM
Dang, this is a tough crowd. Named to the 75th NFL Anniversary team and you're still not a Super-Star.

Yeah, I'd definitely rank Lott as a star player. Going back to that 49ers team, I'd pick Eric Wright - Missouri kid who played the same years as Montana, ending up with four rings.

MOhillbilly
08-29-2012, 09:27 PM
Kevin gogan , Ernest givens.

lewdog
08-29-2012, 09:34 PM
Kimble Anders and James Hasty for me.

lewdog
08-29-2012, 09:36 PM
Baseball was Rey Ordonez for me. Great fielder but couldn't hit for shit.

L.A. Chieffan
08-29-2012, 09:41 PM
Dale Carter Willie Roaf, Brett Butler, Mickey Hatcher, Michael Cooper, Eddie Jones

Planetman
08-29-2012, 09:44 PM
Mike Maslowski!

Baby Lee
08-30-2012, 03:04 AM
Easy...
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rockymtnchief
08-30-2012, 07:30 AM
Jim Lynch and Kimble Anders

Frank White and Kevin Seitzer

WilliamTheIrish
08-30-2012, 08:01 AM
I've got a quite a few, but I'll name one

Chiefs:

Gary Spani. Played on KSU teams that won all of 4 games in 4 years prior to being drafted by the Chiefs. Still he was Big 8 conference POY in 1977 and a consensus AA. Was drafted by the Chiefs and played 9 years on some of the worst pro football teams ever fielded by the organization. That's hardly fair for a guy to from the worst college football program of all time (at that time) to one of the worst franchises in the NFL. And he played there for nine years. Still holds career tackles record for the Chiefs. (999).

You'd think somebody would give him an extra just to get to 1k.

WilliamTheIrish
08-30-2012, 08:06 AM
Cookie Rojas was my other.

He held down 2b until Frank arrived. On a cool evening in 1973, he made two incredible diving grabs in Milwaukee to preserve Steve Busby's 1st no hitter. The game was on WIBW 13 and I remember it like it was yesterday. Cookie, covered in dirt from the second head long dive and grab in the bottom of the 8th, was met at the dugout by Buzz who gave him a bear hug.

MOhillbilly
08-30-2012, 08:08 AM
Blaine bishop

ChiefsNow
08-30-2012, 08:15 AM
Yogi Berra

Los Pollos Hermanos
08-30-2012, 08:19 AM
Dino Hackett

CoMoChief
08-30-2012, 08:34 AM
Would John Smoltz and Tim Hudson be consifered super stars?

They've been my favorite pitchers growing up.

Bearcat
08-30-2012, 08:37 AM
Chris Drury.

patteeu
08-30-2012, 08:43 AM
Kevin Ross, Keith Cash, Cookie Rojas, and Kurt Bevacqua.

Edit: I'm surprised that 3 out of 4 of these guys were already mentioned in the thread.

patteeu
08-30-2012, 08:48 AM
I also liked Dalton Hilliard and Rueben Mayes who were studs on my Stratomatic Football team back in the day.

patteeu
08-30-2012, 08:50 AM
Al Hrabosky - Pitcher Royals

Good one.

Steron
08-30-2012, 09:02 AM
Baseball : Ken Singleton, Al Bumbry, Terry Crowley

Football : Christian Okoye, Dan Saleaumua, Bert Jones

Hockey : Adam Graves, Alexei Kovalev

mikey23545
08-30-2012, 09:09 AM
Duh, Eddie Podolak

Yeah, you beat me to it.

TRR
08-30-2012, 09:11 AM
The two that quickly come to mind are John Starks and Andre Rison.

The one I rooted for big time was Donnell Bennett. Looking back I think I just hated RBBC so much that I wanted anyone to break out...And Donnell Bennett was that hope. I swore he was going to be our version of Jerome Bettis.
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nychief
08-30-2012, 09:24 AM
Baseball: Bill Pecota, David Howard, Luis Aquino, keith lockhart

Football: Todd McNair, Herman Heard, Lonnie Marts, Rob Thomas

Basketball: John Starks, Xavier McDaniels, Oakley.

mikey23545
08-30-2012, 09:39 AM
Kimble Anders, Steve Deberg, Mike Bell

Spongeblack Bobtard
08-30-2012, 11:38 AM
Leroy Butler

Spud Webb

Rickey Henderson

blaise
08-30-2012, 12:36 PM
Rickey Henderson was a star. He was a superstar. I loved him, too, though.

WilliamTheIrish
08-30-2012, 06:39 PM
Baseball : Ken Singleton, Al Bumbry, Terry Crowley


Those were great days for the O's. Earl Weaver would "place a call to Dr. Longball" when they didn't hit a HR for a few days. I loved watching him berate umpires. He was better than Billy Martin.

WilliamTheIrish
08-30-2012, 06:44 PM
One other player I really liked as a kid was a TE we had for a few years named Walter White. He wore 88 and was a pretty decent player. I remember he had a few good games as a Chief. Was a pretty effective pass catcher.

cardken2
08-30-2012, 08:21 PM
Cracks me up that just about half the Baseball players in the 70's and 80's looked like Dentists or Chiropractors. Not an Athletic build to many of them, as by today's standards, lol

Los Pollos Hermanos
08-31-2012, 08:15 AM
One other player I really liked as a kid was a TE we had for a few years named Walter White. He wore 88 and was a pretty decent player. I remember he had a few good games as a Chief. Was a pretty effective pass catcher.

He was pretty good at cooking meth as well.

rockymtnchief
08-31-2012, 08:26 AM
Cracks me up that just about half the Baseball players in the 70's and 80's looked like Dentists or Chiropractors. Not an Athletic build to many of them, as by today's standards, lol

Kent Tekulve. I think he did peoples taxes in the bullpen:D

http://www.customauthenticjerseys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/kent-tekulve-pirates.jpg

TinyEvel
08-31-2012, 08:40 AM
Jan Ulrich

UL Washington
09-02-2012, 04:09 AM
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/buddy_biancalana_auto.jpg

KC Tattoo
09-02-2012, 04:38 AM
I liked the running combo of Christian Okoye & Barry Word, then the playaction pass from Steve Deberg to Stephone Paige.

The Iron Chief
09-02-2012, 08:19 AM
Steve Deberg
Tony Richardson
Matt Cassel.. lay off..I kid

Bump
09-02-2012, 10:00 AM
from back in the day I always like LB Anthony Davis, big Dan Saleamua, Ted Popson, Jason Dunn,

Inmem58
09-02-2012, 10:03 AM
I also like Tony Kukoc, Nick Van Exel and Sterling Martin.

WilliamTheIrish
09-02-2012, 10:10 AM
We had a catcher that was one of my favorites too. 75, 76. Bob 'Scrap Iron' Stinson. Played 12 years in the bigs. Don't think he played more than 2 seasons in the same city. Just bounced around. Probably got a very nice pension out of it.

Al Bundy
09-02-2012, 10:14 AM
Kendall Gill.

clyde05
09-04-2012, 12:07 AM
Kevin Ross, Carlos Carson, T-Rich, Art Still

Saccopoo
09-04-2012, 12:34 AM
Dino Hackett

Man that dude played hard and could fill a hole with aggression.

RunKC
09-04-2012, 01:27 AM
Nick Collison. Does the little things better than most NBA players. He's a hard working guy too. 100% team player.

Sorter
09-04-2012, 01:38 AM
Jimmy Smith (JA), Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp (Superstar IMO, but nobody knows who he is now), Herman Moore, Glen Rice, and Fred Taylor. Now, I think Fred was a Superstar as well, but it never seemed that he got the respect he deserved, IMO.

Schottenheimer
09-04-2012, 02:52 AM
Charlie batch, Willie Davis, dale carter, Herman Moore, terry fair, Bryant Westbrook, germane Crowell, Sam shade, Jeff Blake, Chris Claiborne, Walter rasby, Tracy scroggins, Trent green, Stephen Boyd, Ron rice, David Sloan, tony Richardson, louie Aguiar, Jason Hanson, Pete stoyanovich, Kimble anders, Robert porcher, Luther ellis, johnnie Morton, joe Valerio, Keith cash, James hasty, Donnie Edwards, Vaughn booker, Dan saleamua, joe Phillips, Tracy Simien, Greg manusky, Anthony Davis, mark McMillan.

Chief_in_Commander
09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
T-Rich, Kimble Anders, Donnie Edwards, Jason Dunn

Derek Fisher, Trevor Ariza, Robert Horry

Keith Langford, Nick Collison

Edgar Martinez, Frank White, Ken Caminiti

New World Order
09-04-2012, 07:40 AM
Arvydas Sabonis

The Iron Chief
09-04-2012, 08:51 AM
After my first post I was trying to think of a non football /Chief player/and the perfect one for me came to mind.
Willie Randolph, Yes I was born and still am a Yankee fan..hey I need one of my professional teams to beable to win playoff games.
Willie was on many of the classic Yankee teams always one of the best players but on teams full of Super stars(Reggie to Winfield to Guidry..etc..) he was always productive sometimes team captain guy that never got into the drama to much always spoke to the media always spoke to fans and played well every single year.Yes he made the all star team here and there but no way in hell could he or did he ever out shine the Mega super stars that were on the team during his yrs.
From little league to legion I was a fan..yes I played 2nd base as well as center field but it was a conversation he had with me on the 3rd baseline that cemented it...this guys an all around good player and decent person.

Go Willie!!

Willie>>>Cassel

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