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Direckshun
09-04-2012, 08:07 PM
I've gotta be the guy who posts WF's prediction that the Chiefs win.

http://www.walterfootball.com/nflpicks2012_01early.php

Atlanta Falcons (0-0) at Kansas City Chiefs (0-0)
Line: Falcons by 2.5. Total: 42.
Walt's Projected Line (Before Preseason): Chiefs -1.

ATLANTA OFFENSE: This was supposed to be a great matchup. An improved Matt Ryan and a dominant Julio Jones versus a Kansas City defense that shut down Aaron Rodgers last December? Sign me up. Several weeks ago, this seemed like THE battle to watch on opening Sunday.

That's not the case anymore, unfortunately. Elite pass-rusher Tamba Hali has been suspended because of a marijuana arrest. Top cornerback Brandon Flowers will be a game-time decision because of an ankle injury. Stud inside linebacker Derrick Johnson should be able to play, but won't be 100 percent because of his own ankle malady.

With all of that in mind, it's difficult to envision the Chiefs having much luck against Atlanta's dynamic passing attack. Matt Ryan figures to have tons of time to throw without having to worry about Hali, and he'll easily connect with Jones on multiple occasions, thanks to the presumed absence of Flowers. Running the ball won't be much of an option because Michael Turner is completely finished, but the Falcons won't need to do that because their offense is now primarily aerially based.

KANSAS CITY OFFENSE: The Chiefs will have some issues defensively this week, but they should be able to move the chains pretty efficiently. They're going to run the ball as good as anyone this season, thanks to the dynamic tandem of the currently healthy Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis, as well as a bolstered offensive line with Eric Winston as a massive upgrade over the inept Barry Richardson at right tackle.

The Falcons were 12th in the NFL against the run last year, but that ranking will likely drop, thanks to Curtis Lofton's departure. Replacement Akeem Dent struggled a bit in the preseason, so I'm expecting the Chiefs to rip off big gains on the ground.

This will open up play-action opportunities for Matt Cassel, who will need them because he's not a good quarterback. He should at least be protected well, making the daunting task of battling cornerbacks Brent Grimes and Asante Samuel a bit easier. It also helps that starting receivers Dwayne Bowe and Jonathan Baldwin have a very healthy size advantage over Atlanta's two corners. And not to be forgotten, Dexter McCluster is finally being utilized correctly out of the slot. I think he could be a PPR monster this year.

RECAP: This is a tough spot for the Falcons, who aren't nearly as good in outdoor games. Following this matchup against the "crappy" Chiefs, they have to deal with Peyton Manning's Broncos, Philip Rivers' Chargers and Cam Newton's Panthers. They won't be completely focused, especially now that Hali is out. And yes, teams do look past Week 1 games.

Despite missing Hali and possibly Flowers, I feel like the Chiefs are underrated. They run the ball extremely well, while Romeo Crennel is still a defensive mastermind who will have something up his sleeve for Ryan. I'd like Kansas City as my September NFL Pick of the Month if they were completely healthy, but this is still a multi-unit play for me.

The Psychology. Edge: Chiefs.
The Falcons have the Broncos, Chargers and Panthers after this battle against the Chiefs, who weren't any good last year. They may not be 100-percent focused.

Opening Line: Falcons -1.
Opening Total: 41.

Week 1 NFL Pick: Chiefs 20, Falcons 17

JASONSAUTO
09-04-2012, 08:09 PM
Nothing pessimistic about THIS place, the coalition is way less homeristic.
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lewdog
09-04-2012, 08:10 PM
Almost 20 years of being mind fucked every season will do that to you. Join the club dumbass!

Mr_Tomahawk
09-04-2012, 08:11 PM
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DeezNutz
09-04-2012, 08:12 PM
No idea why. /'93

Count Alex's Losses
09-04-2012, 08:12 PM
CHIEFS BABY! CHIEEEEEEEEEEEFS!

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qabbaan
09-04-2012, 08:13 PM
Matt Cassel.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-04-2012, 08:16 PM
This read is right on.

23-20 Chiefs win

Count Alex's Losses
09-04-2012, 08:16 PM
We *should* be pessimistic.

The "optimistic" logic for this team is based on a 5-game stretch from 2010 against bottom feeders.

That and some kind of baseless, blind hope that Romeo Crennel is a good head coach and Cassel can actually beat good teams.

We should be crossing our arms and furrowing our brows this year until the team proves it's worthy of any kind of hope.

KC Tattoo
09-04-2012, 08:23 PM
I'm trying keep a ballancing act between being optomistic and pessimistic. I don't have expectations to win with Matt Cassel at least I figure the team will play tough and be respectful. Knock some heads off people *snap* peyton Mannings neck. Beat the fucking raiders. That's my expectations but not optomistic about the post season with Matt Cassel. I hate to go 8 & 8 but that seems to be what this team is headed.

DaFace
09-04-2012, 08:25 PM
The last time the Chiefs won a playoff game, I was 11. The longer the streak continues, the more pessimistic we'll be.

It doesn't help that there's our QB to consider and that our defense is banged up. I think our offense will probably do better than we expect with Charles and Hillis, but I have trouble thinking we're doing to stop the Falcons offense with half of our backfield injured.

BoneKrusher
09-04-2012, 08:28 PM
the key is to win.
nobody's gonna be happy pulling for a losing team.

tk13
09-04-2012, 08:30 PM
We're probably better at pretty much every position than the Packers, and they might go 16-0. No reason for pessimism.

BigMeatballDave
09-04-2012, 08:32 PM
We *should* be pessimistic.

The "optimistic" logic for this team is based on a 5-game stretch from 2010 against bottom feeders.

That and some kind of baseless, blind hope that Romeo Crennel is a good head coach and Cassel can actually beat good teams.

We should be crossing our arms and furrowing our brows this year until the team proves it's worthy of any kind of hope.

Or, we can just be a fan and not take this stuff so serious.

Your new persona isn't going to change Pioli's ways or get him fired any sooner.

All we can do is hope for the best, or ignore the team entirely.

lewdog
09-04-2012, 08:32 PM
We're probably better at pretty much every position than the Packers, and they might go 16-0. No reason for pessimism.

Ummm...Aaron Rodgers.............

Luke Warm
09-04-2012, 08:37 PM
This game will be won by our two headed running monster.

tk13
09-04-2012, 08:38 PM
Ummm...Aaron Rodgers.............

Our five-headed running back monster can take him down. Our backfield is like Voltron. Hard to kill, and ready to strike. With Matt Cassel as the pilot, what can go wrong?

Setsuna
09-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Our five-headed running back monster can take him down. Our backfield is like Voltron. Hard to kill, and ready to strike. With Matt Cassel as the pilot, what can go wrong?

Cassel can't even form the head, he'll just miss. What good is Voltron without head? No head, you dead. Simple.

Psyko Tek
09-04-2012, 08:53 PM
This game will be won by our two headed running monster.

o0r lost by cassel

Discuss Thrower
09-04-2012, 09:00 PM
I think everyone has written this season off as a failure already.

Shit, even the Coalition is doom and gloom.

Munson
09-04-2012, 09:08 PM
We're not so much pessimistic, but rather realistic. We realize that in today's NFL, you need a franchise QB for a legit SB chance. And Matt Cassel is anything but a franchise QB. We know that as long as he is "leading" this team, we aren't winning shit, and wasting the prime years of our most talented players.

Chiefnj2
09-04-2012, 09:16 PM
I love the knee jerk reaction to blame Cassel. Like the defense is fine.

KC Tattoo
09-04-2012, 09:18 PM
the key is to win.
nobody's gonna be happy pulling for a losing team.

Am sorry. I would have been plenty happy going 1 & 15 just to draft Luck for this year.

JoeyChuckles
09-04-2012, 09:22 PM
I'm bored of the "Cassel sucks".

GloryDayz
09-04-2012, 09:29 PM
When you have owners like Hunt and Glass (the only common thread in decades of fail), who A) won't live in the city where their teams play, B) be think those who do are a joke (evidently), and C) will always put money ahead of their team winning, you get pessimists. But when you you can bank $85M for doing nothing, and money is your only true love.....it's sort of hard to say it's a mystery. Look, Lamar was a nice fellow, but read about him, he was a money man. HE wanted CP, and CP did just enough to keep butts int he seats at Arrowhead. Nothing more! Glass, being Wal-Mart won't ever deal with top-paid employees who don't wear a suit. I'm sure the union just burns him up to no end too! The Hunts are the same thing, just the 90210 version of it. Clark;s a silver-spoon boy, but he's the same way, maximize free money, and if you win a game or two, that's good too. But make the money first by God!

So yeah, years of professional sports fail in this city has lead to this. Give us a Mark Cuban and you might find a different story. Until then, they make the money, and we're supposed to be happy that we still have teams! Yeah...

Cornstock
09-04-2012, 09:45 PM
When you have owners like Hunt and Glass (the only common thread in decades of fail), who A) won't live in the city where their teams play, B) be think those who do are a joke (evidently), and C) will always put money ahead of their team winning, you get pessimists. But when you you can bank $85M for doing nothing, and money is your only true love.....it's sort of hard to say it's a mystery. Look, Lamar was a nice fellow, but read about him, he was a money man. HE wanted CP, and CP did just enough to keep butts int he seats at Arrowhead. Nothing more! Glass, being Wal-Mart won't ever deal with top-paid employees who don't wear a suit. I'm sure the union just burns him up to no end too! The Hunts are the same thing, just the 90210 version of it. Clark;s a silver-spoon boy, but he's the same way, maximize free money, and if you win a game or two, that's good too. But make the money first by God!

So yeah, years of professional sports fail in this city has lead to this. Give us a Mark Cuban and you might find a different story. Until then, they make the money, and we're supposed to be happy that we still have teams! Yeah...

Cue "Hunt needs to sell the team to Cuban" petition?

DaFace
09-04-2012, 09:47 PM
I love the knee jerk reaction to blame Cassel. Like the defense is fine.

Get back to me when there's a defensive player who has under-performed for 4 seasons without any attempt by the team to create competition at his position.

Chiefnj2
09-04-2012, 09:51 PM
Get back to me when there's a defensive player who has under-performed for 4 seasons without any attempt by the team to create competition at his position.

No Hali, no Lewis, injured Flowers, DJ and Toribio.

I doubt it's Cassel that is going to set the team back in week 1. This is going to be a run team.

NJChiefsFan
09-04-2012, 09:53 PM
No Hali, no Lewis, injured Flowers, DJ and Toribio.

I doubt it's Cassel that is going to set the team back in week 1. This is going to be a run team.

That doesn't mean that Matt can't/won't be part of the issue Sunday.

DaFace
09-04-2012, 09:57 PM
No Hali, no Lewis, injured Flowers, DJ and Toribio.

I doubt it's Cassel that is going to set the team back in week 1. This is going to be a run team.

Well, sure. I assumed we were talking more globally than about just the one game, but you're right - Cassel won't likely be the main reason we lose (if we do) Sunday.

BigMeatballDave
09-04-2012, 10:11 PM
No Hali, no Lewis, injured Flowers, DJ and Toribio.

I doubt it's Cassel that is going to set the team back in week 1. This is going to be a run team.

If you are not a part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem.

BigMeatballDave
09-04-2012, 10:13 PM
I love the knee jerk reaction to blame Cassel. Like the defense is fine.

LMAO

Getting the Cassel apologist engine fired up already.

Just admit you're a fan and get it over with.

Wuss.

NJChiefsFan
09-04-2012, 10:14 PM
Also doesn't an NFL team need their QB to step up when other players are out? If Matt is supposed to get a bye from the fans because other players are out why is he our QB?

Saccopoo
09-04-2012, 10:14 PM
Get back to me when there's a defensive player who has under-performed for 4 seasons without any attempt by the team to create competition at his position.

http://nfldraftpreview.webs.com/Glenn%20Dorsey%20KCC.jpg

BigMeatballDave
09-04-2012, 10:16 PM
Also, its Cassel's job to keep the chains moving and scoring points.

NJChiefsFan
09-04-2012, 10:19 PM
Also, its Cassel's job to keep the chains moving and scoring points.

Nope. Its the teams job to carry him and when those players are hurt or out then its not Cassel's fault for not helping the team overcome that. Starting Pitchers, Goalies, QBs are all in a position to help overcome a teams problems. Especially in todays NFL. Not in KC though.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-04-2012, 10:34 PM
It's almost "cool" to try to be the most negative. Sad really.

JD10367
09-04-2012, 10:46 PM
KANSAS CITY OFFENSE: The Chiefs will have some issues defensively this week, but they should be able to move the chains pretty efficiently. They're going to run the ball as good as anyone this season, thanks to the dynamic tandem of the currently healthy Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis, as well as a bolstered offensive line with Eric Winston as a massive upgrade over the inept Barry Richardson at right tackle.

The Falcons were 12th in the NFL against the run last year, but that ranking will likely drop, thanks to Curtis Lofton's departure. Replacement Akeem Dent struggled a bit in the preseason, so I'm expecting the Chiefs to rip off big gains on the ground.

This will open up play-action opportunities for Matt Cassel, who will need them because he's not a good quarterback. He should at least be protected well, making the daunting task of battling cornerbacks Brent Grimes and Asante Samuel a bit easier.

/thread

pr_capone
09-04-2012, 10:48 PM
http://www.greatbendpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/post70.jpg

I HATE HIS FUCKING FACE.

Von Dumbass
09-04-2012, 11:02 PM
I actually think this place has more "homers" than at any time I've been here. Or maybe the homers are more vocal now that a few people have left. I don't know.

O.city
09-04-2012, 11:04 PM
Which is another reason you shouldn't fucking be here.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-04-2012, 11:04 PM
I actually think this place has more "homers" than at any time I've been here. Or maybe the homers are more vocal now that a few people have left. I don't know.

You're calling out people for homerism LMAO

Big Smoke
09-04-2012, 11:06 PM
I try not to be pessimistic, but when I look at facts it makes me pessimistic.

Von Dumbass
09-04-2012, 11:11 PM
You're calling out people for homerism LMAO

I have no problems with people having a positive outlook on their team. That's fine with me. I just have seen a lot more homer type posts the past year or so. Maybe it's because you guys won the division in 2010 and not certain people leaving. I don't know.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-04-2012, 11:13 PM
I have no problems with people having a positive outlook on their team. That's fine with me. I just have seen a lot more homer type posts the past year or so. Maybe it's because you guys won the division in 2010 and not certain people leaving. I don't know.

Maybe they see all the people picking them to win the division and see all these young, ascending players on the team. The hopes of winning games doesn't lie on a 40 year old with a broken neck magically regaining his arm strength.

O.city
09-04-2012, 11:14 PM
Why fans of teams not the Chiefs, continue to come on a Chiefs board amazes me.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-04-2012, 11:16 PM
To be fair the division rival forums are pretty big piles of shit.

mr. tegu
09-04-2012, 11:34 PM
We *should* be pessimistic.

The "optimistic" logic for this team is based on a 5-game stretch from 2010 against bottom feeders.


It doesn't have anything to do with going 7-9 last season sans Charles, Berry, and Moeaki with Palko starting games when most people thought that would be our record without the injuries?

Count Alex's Losses
09-04-2012, 11:37 PM
It doesn't have anything to do with going 7-9 last season sans Charles, Berry, and Moeaki with Palko starting games when most people thought that would be our record without the injuries?

That is the Caleb Hanie/Curtis Painter/Kyle Boller/Donovan McNabb/Tim Tebow reasoning that some retards use, yes.

I too am anticipating a good season in the event of facing five terrible, legitimately-competing-for-the-worst-QB-in-the-NFL-trophy quarterbacks this season.

mr. tegu
09-04-2012, 11:46 PM
That is the Caleb Hanie/Curtis Painter/Kyle Boller/Donovan McNabb/Tim Tebow reasoning that some retards use, yes.

I too am anticipating a good season in the event of facing five terrible, legitimately-competing-for-the-worst-QB-in-the-NFL-trophy quarterbacks this season.

You are right I suppose. They didn't win any of those games. The other team lost them. KC just happened to be there.

Btw week 1 hasn't started yet...wasn't that the deal?

Count Alex's Losses
09-04-2012, 11:54 PM
Week 1 started yesterday, bro.

There are 7 days in a week.

pr_capone
09-05-2012, 12:01 AM
That is the Caleb Hanie/Curtis Painter/Kyle Boller/Donovan McNabb/Tim Tebow reasoning that some retards use, yes.

I too am anticipating a good season in the event of facing five terrible, legitimately-competing-for-the-worst-QB-in-the-NFL-trophy quarterbacks this season.

Thank you for not throwing Thigpen's name in there. It is little things like that that make me love you.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 12:06 AM
Thank you for not throwing Thigpen's name in there. It is little things like that that make me love you.

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Ace Gunner
09-05-2012, 12:21 AM
We're probably better at pretty much every position than the Packers, and they might go 16-0. No reason for pessimism.


Better than the Packers?

"You are what your record says you are". Words to live by in football.

BigMeatballDave
09-05-2012, 12:26 AM
I actually think this place has more "homers" than at any time I've been here. Or maybe the homers are more vocal now that a few people have left. I don't know.Pot meet Kettle.

You are NEVER allowed to use that word, ever again.

Guru
09-05-2012, 03:44 AM
Or, we can just be a fan and not take this stuff so serious.

Your new persona isn't going to change Pioli's ways or get him fired any sooner.

All we can do is hope for the best, or ignore the team entirely.

yep, I've pretty much gone all the way down to "expect the worst and hope for the best" anymore.

Predarat
09-05-2012, 09:08 AM
I blame cAssHole, kHuntHole, and poilleHole.

O.city
09-05-2012, 09:11 AM
That is the Caleb Hanie/Curtis Painter/Kyle Boller/Donovan McNabb/Tim Tebow reasoning that some retards use, yes.

I too am anticipating a good season in the event of facing five terrible, legitimately-competing-for-the-worst-QB-in-the-NFL-trophy quarterbacks this season.

But Justin Houston was elite last year? Does that count or not?

GloryDayz
09-05-2012, 10:09 AM
Cue "Hunt needs to sell the team to Cuban" petition?

LOL, I'd say so!

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-05-2012, 11:39 AM
But Justin Houston was elite last year? Does that count or not?

I see where you are going with this and it's pretty valid. This is the NFL every game counts, it isn't college football with the extreme difference in talent levels between teams. 6 plus new playoff teams every year, the difference between good teams and bad is a very fine line.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 12:27 PM
This game will be won by our two headed running monster.

I agree. It is going to be an eye opener for the rest of the league.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 12:45 PM
Cassel can't even form the head, he'll just miss. What good is Voltron without head? No head, you dead. Simple.

WTF are you here with a chiefs sig? Are you a Chiefs Fan or no?

I'm on the Bray Wagon though.

TEX
09-05-2012, 12:46 PM
Don't confuse being realistic with being pessimistic...

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 12:47 PM
I agree. It is going to be an eye opener for the rest of the league.

Can't wait. #1 Ground game in the league. Hillis is going to be a fan favorite, and hopefully extended this season. Everybody loves a wrecking ball running back. I've been praying for one ever since Okoye, who is one of the reasons I bacame a Chiefs fan.

keg in kc
09-05-2012, 12:52 PM
Become? Are you new here?

TEX
09-05-2012, 01:05 PM
Can't wait. #1 Ground game in the league. Hillis is going to be a fan favorite, and hopefully extended this season. Everybody loves a wrecking ball running back. I've been praying for one ever since Okoye, who is one of the reasons I bacame a Chiefs fan.

Can't wait??? How does "Marty Ball" end? We've been down this path before with a better QB and defense. I've seen teams totally run all over other teams and still manage to lose. Why? Because the type of football the Chiefs will play will keep them close even when they could be way out in front. It lets teams beat you with one play because you can't put them away. Shitty teams will stay close waiting for thier chance and the good teams can burry you in the first half. Believe me - I can wait.

Also, I would not be surprised if the Chiefs ground game is not as good as expected. The defenses will know what's copming and will stop it. Cassel can't beat them and they know it.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 01:27 PM
Can't wait. #1 Ground game in the league. Hillis is going to be a fan favorite, and hopefully extended this season. Everybody loves a wrecking ball running back. I've been praying for one ever since Okoye, who is one of the reasons I bacame a Chiefs fan.

Based on preseason, our ground game is nowhere near the #1 ground game in the league.

Run blocking has been hit and miss.

This idea that we will be the #1 running attack is mostly based on what we did in 2010 against bottom feeders...newsflash, this year we play the top dogs.

Graystoke
09-05-2012, 01:36 PM
I have been a fan of the Chiefs since 1972.
And you want me to be what???

I hope your right, but this horse has been kicked, dead and through the glue factory.

SHOW ME SOMETHING...then I will start to be optimistic.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 01:41 PM
Can't wait. #1 Ground game in the league. Hillis is going to be a fan favorite, and hopefully extended this season. Everybody loves a wrecking ball running back. I've been praying for one ever since Okoye, who is one of the reasons I bacame a Chiefs fan.

Me to man. I have wanted one for a long long time.

Based on preseason, our ground game is nowhere near the #1 ground game in the league.

Run blocking has been hit and miss.

This idea that we will be the #1 running attack is mostly based on what we did in 2010 against bottom feeders...newsflash, this year we play the top dogs.

That's because you don't know what you are looking for. You will be eating these words soon. Romeo used the preseasonas one long practice.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 01:46 PM
Based on preseason, our ground game is nowhere near the #1 ground game in the league.

Run blocking has been hit and miss.

This idea that we will be the #1 running attack is mostly based on what we did in 2010 against bottom feeders...newsflash, this year we play the top dogs.

I have zero doubt we will be top 5 at least. Our ground game is gonna go beast mode. Our starters have looked damn good on the ground in PS.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 01:46 PM
Our starters have looked damn good on the ground in PS.

Our running game looked shitty against St. Louis and Seattle.

The starters, for sure.

Dayze
09-05-2012, 01:47 PM
regarding the OP: I don't know. But we're all probably contract AIDs and have the transmissions go out in our cars in the same week. Then get laid off. Then lose our houses and be homeless withinn the year. We'll be Homeless AIDS people.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 02:07 PM
Can't wait??? How does "Marty Ball" end? We've been down this path before with a better QB and defense. I've seen teams totally run all over other teams and still manage to lose. Why? Because the type of football the Chiefs will play will keep them close even when they could be way out in front. It lets teams beat you with one play because you can't put them away. Shitty teams will stay close waiting for thier chance and the good teams can burry you in the first half. Believe me - I can wait.

Also, I would not be surprised if the Chiefs ground game is not as good as expected. The defenses will know what's copming and will stop it. Cassel can't beat them and they know it.
I'm not surprised at all that you don't think that our ground game will be that good. You have never made a comment that I can remember, that wasn't completely negative. Cassel was our QB in 2010 as well and we had the #1 ground game with Thomas Fn Jones. Now we have Hillis, who is an undeniable upgrade. If teams load up for the run, and expect it, PA will kick ass.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 02:08 PM
regarding the OP: I don't know. But we're all probably contract AIDs and have the transmissions go out in our cars in the same week. Then get laid off. Then lose our houses and be homeless withinn the year. We'll be Homeless AIDS people.

This. Nothing good can possibly happen, and you're an idiot if you think it will.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 02:09 PM
Our running game looked shitty against St. Louis and Seattle.

The starters, for sure.

So Charles looks shitty so far huh? Got it.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 02:21 PM
So Charles looks shitty so far huh? Got it.

Our running game was not productive at an elite level against Seattle or St. Louis.

This is not a hard thing to understand.

I know you are a homer but let's see....


W/Starting offensive line vs Rams:

11 carries for 39 yards


W/Starting offensive line vs Seahawks:

10 carries for 38 yards


There's no sign of the #1 running attack in those games.

whoman69
09-05-2012, 02:28 PM
Its hard to be optimistic when you have been a fan since 1970. A team that had won 3 championships the decade previous has not been back since. They have only one conference championship appearance in that time and have not won a playoff game since 1993. What's to be optimistic about?

Every time something promising seems to happen for this franchise, your hope ends up smacking you in the gut. My Cardinals have had streaks of 14 years out of the playoffs followed by a 22 year World Series drought. That pain was nothing before what Chiefs have given me.

GloryDayz
09-05-2012, 02:54 PM
Wow, this thread has made me all chipper and stuff... Woo Hoo, go CHEFS!

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 02:57 PM
Our running game was not productive at an elite level against Seattle or St. Louis.

This is not a hard thing to understand.

I know you are a homer but let's see....


W/Starting offensive line vs Rams:

11 carries for 39 yards


W/Starting offensive line vs Seahawks:

10 carries for 38 yards


There's no sign of the #1 running attack in those games.

Those are Charles, and Hillis' numbers?

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 02:58 PM
Those are Charles, and Hillis' numbers?

Charles, and Hillis, and Draughn, who you will want to take out, but had several good carries.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 03:02 PM
Charles, and Hillis, and Draughn, who you will want to take out, but had several good carries.

Hillis 5.7 YPC.
Charles 4.9 YPC.
Elite numbers.
Way to try and skew in Draughn's 3.9 YPC to try and support your argument.

FAIL!!

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 03:04 PM
Hillis 5.7 YPC.
Charles 4.9 YPC.
Elite numbers.
Way to try and skew in Draughn's 3.9 YPC to try and support your argument.

FAIL!!

Well, whatever.

Charles and Hillis did not average 5 YPC against Seattle and St. Louis.

This running attack has not looked like a top running attack.

And in our most important preseason game it didn't even look good.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 03:04 PM
LOL at you.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 03:04 PM
You're the one calling this an "elite" running attack when it looked like SHIT in TWO preseason games. The two MOST important preseason games.

LOL at you, homer.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-05-2012, 03:07 PM
Spinning like a top

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 03:08 PM
Well, whatever.

Charles and Hillis did not average 5 YPC against Seattle and St. Louis.

This running attack has not looked like a top running attack.

And in our most important preseason game it didn't even look good.

BS!

Hillis was running all over the Fn Pack.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 03:10 PM
You're the one calling this an "elite" running attack when it looked like SHIT in TWO preseason games. The two MOST important preseason games.

LOL at you, homer.

Neither Hillis nor Charles looked like shit at any point during the PS. Keep spinning. LOL.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 03:12 PM
Love how you tried to throw in Draughn who has the lowest ypc of any back on the roster. Hilarious.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 03:25 PM
Love how you tried to throw in Draughn who has the lowest ypc of any back on the roster. Hilarious.

Do you want me to take out Draughn's 1st-team carries against Seattle and St. Louis?

If so, you get this:

16 carries, 59 yards.

Yes, the average IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME when you take out Draughn's carries with the first team.

This was not close to an elite running game this preseason. It looked real good against Arizona. Other than that you're grasping at straws.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-05-2012, 03:26 PM
NFC West stats don't count anyway. Can't believe someone who follows football like you do takes any of those preseason games with more than a grain of salt.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 03:27 PM
Neither Hillis nor Charles looked like shit at any point during the PS. Keep spinning. LOL.

Hillis had SEVEN CARRIES FOR 10 YARDS in two of the preseason games.

I like what he did in the 1st and 4th games but...come on.

It is a real stretch to say this running attack is elite.

They might be...but no evidence for it yet.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-05-2012, 03:29 PM
Can't wait till the team takes Charles off the field in a crucial 3rd and 5 to run a draw with Draughn just to get him work!!!

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 03:46 PM
Do you want me to take out Draughn's 1st-team carries against Seattle and St. Louis?

If so, you get this:

16 carries, 59 yards.

Yes, the average IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME when you take out Draughn's carries with the first team.

This was not close to an elite running game this preseason. It looked real good against Arizona. Other than that you're grasping at straws.
In "the most important Pre-season game" Hillis had 6 carries for 46 yards for a 7.7 ypc average. That's grasping at straws Huh? No, That's elite numbers.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 03:50 PM
game 4 is the LEAST important game.

The reality with this team is that the running game looked pretty good in two games, but they were the least important preseason games, that indicate less towards the regular season.

In games two and three, which ALWAYS correlate more closely to regular season games, the team looked really average running the ball.

I would say right now the best read on the running game is that it will be decent. There is certainly no way you can look at preseason and say we were an elite running team.

Part of the problem with our offense in game three, and why Cassel looked so shitty, was because we weren't running the ball well. That's not a good sign in the MOST IMPORTANT PRESEASON GAME.

beach tribe
09-05-2012, 04:12 PM
game 4 is the LEAST important game.

The reality with this team is that the running game looked pretty good in two games, but they were the least important preseason games, that indicate less towards the regular season.

In games two and three, which ALWAYS correlate more closely to regular season games, the team looked really average running the ball.

I would say right now the best read on the running game is that it will be decent. There is certainly no way you can look at preseason and say we were an elite running team.

Part of the problem with our offense in game three, and why Cassel looked so shitty, was because we weren't running the ball well. That's not a good sign in the MOST IMPORTANT PRESEASON GAME.

Whether we win or lose, Charles and Hillis are going to piss pound Atlanta on the ground.
Who do you believe are the top rushing attacks in the NFL?

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 04:19 PM
Whether we win or lose, Charles and Hillis are going to piss pound Atlanta on the ground.

Atlanta has one of the top run defenses in football, or at least they did last season. #6

I'd be surprised if we had much over 100 yards rushing Sunday. We're gonna be passing trying to catch up.

O.city
09-05-2012, 04:52 PM
Didn't Atlanta lose one of, if not their best defensive player?

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 05:32 PM
They've won 43 games in 4 years.

Losing Curtis Lofton isn't going to kill them.

O.city
09-05-2012, 05:34 PM
Got it.


Losing arguably your best defensive player and leading tackler won't hurt your defense?

Guru
09-05-2012, 05:38 PM
did everyone forget this is a pessimistic thread. Clay seems to be the only one following the format now. LMAO

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-05-2012, 05:40 PM
Got it.


Losing arguably your best defensive player and leading tackler won't hurt your defense?

Only if it's the Chiefs

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 06:02 PM
They've won 43 games in 4 years.

Losing Curtis Lofton isn't going to kill them.

They lost at Pittsburgh in their opener with Charlie Batch at QB.

They lost in Chicago in their opener the year before that.

They lose in the playoffs every year. They choke in big games.

Mike Smith and matt Ryan choke on the road quite a bit.

The Falcons are not as good outside.

They have never won at Arrowhead.

They played an easy schedule last year.

They lost to Chicago, Tampa, and Houston - all were running teams last year

They fired their defensive coordinator

Their third string LB is starting and he has already had a concussion.

They run the nickel package 75% of the time.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 06:02 PM
Got it.


Losing arguably your best defensive player and leading tackler won't hurt your defense?

Curtis Lofton was not their best player.

Hell, he was the 16th rated ILB on PFF.

The facts have defeated your weak troll.

O.city
09-05-2012, 06:03 PM
Who is their best defensive player then?


Not their leading tackler?

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 06:06 PM
If you put any stock in PFF, the best players on Atlanta's defense last year:

John Abraham
Sean Weatherspoon
Brent Grimes
Jonathan Babineaux
William Moore
Stephen Nicholas
Curtis Lofton

Adding Samuel, who was one of the highest-rated corners, was a good addition.

O.city
09-05-2012, 06:07 PM
Oooh I do like Spoon, he's a good player. William Moore too.

No sarcasm actually.

Planetman
09-05-2012, 06:08 PM
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Come At Me, Bro.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 06:13 PM
Oooh I do like Spoon, he's a good player. William Moore too.

No sarcasm actually.

I bet Spoon shadows Charles in this game. Gonna be interesting to see if Cassel starts dumping him the ball blindly when shit goes south, or actually reads the D.

O.city
09-05-2012, 06:13 PM
Moore isn't a coverage guy, IIRC, more of a box SS?

O.city
09-05-2012, 06:14 PM
Falcons were worst against the run this preseason than the Chiefs.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-05-2012, 06:18 PM
I'm bored of the "Cassel sucks".

Then maybe he should stop sucking.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 06:20 PM
I bet Spoon shadows Charles in this game. Gonna be interesting to see if Cassel starts dumping him the ball blindly when shit goes south, or actually reads the D.

Charles and McCluster will wear him out. Spoon got better last year but now he has to run the defense. He's just not Curtis Lofton. I think their defense will be soft.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 06:23 PM
Curtis Lofton was not their best player.

Hell, he was the 16th rated ILB on PFF.

The facts have defeated your weak troll.

No but he was definately their best player in run defense. Essentially, they traded him for Samuel, who is not good in run defense. Lofton is underrated.

You gotta be careful with PFF. They are flawed in alot of ways.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-05-2012, 06:23 PM
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Come At Me, Bro.


Speaking of which, has Cassel had his tubes tied yet?

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 06:25 PM
No but he was definately their best player in run defense. Essentially, they traded him for Samuel, who is not good in run defense. Lofton is underrated.

You gotta be careful with PFF. They are flawed in alot of ways.

BlackBob telling me PFF is flawed. That's rich.

According to them, their best run defender was Sean Weatherspoon.

Lofton was good, but hardly elite or anything.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 06:25 PM
Moore isn't a coverage guy, IIRC, more of a box SS?

I think we will own him. He has been a huge disappointment. He has hardly seen the field. Especially if we can get him lined up with a TE or McCluster.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 06:25 PM
Charles and McCluster will wear him out. Spoon got better last year but now he has to run the defense. He's just not Curtis Lofton. I think their defense will be soft.

He's still playing OLB you mental midget.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 06:29 PM
BlackBob telling me PFF is flawed. That's rich.

According to them, their best run defender was Sean Weatherspoon.

Lofton was good, but hardly elite or anything.

I'm not saying they aren't useful. However, not everything can be based on stats. Also, who is recording their stats???? Because they aren't official by any means.

Lofton was elite and he was good. I would be suprised if a Falcon fan told you Spoon was better in run defense than Lofton was. It just doesn't seem that way at all. People down here were much higher on Lofton than Spoon. However, perception isn't reality.

O.city
09-05-2012, 06:29 PM
Moore is the starting SS, how does he hardly see the field.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 06:29 PM
He's still playing OLB you mental midget.

I know but he's calling the plays and is the captain of the defense. He has the speaker in his helmet this season. Like I said, they will be running the nickel most of the time.

O.city
09-05-2012, 06:30 PM
Spoon is a sideline to sideline guy, but I don't see him as a big run stuffer.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 06:31 PM
Moore is the starting SS, how does he hardly see the field.

Until now. He couldn't get past some sorry safeties on the depth chart over the past few years. They signed Chris Hope because they don't have much faith in him.

O.city
09-05-2012, 06:33 PM
We obviously are gonna run the ball and go with the PA pass for the most part. Who should we run at? Where are they week on D?

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 06:39 PM
Lofton was elite and he was good.

Not according to the world's foremost NFL ratings site.

BOTH of Atlanta's safeties are fine in run support. They're gonna be fine.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 06:46 PM
We obviously are gonna run the ball and go with the PA pass for the most part. Who should we run at? Where are they week on D?

Well, Peria Jerry was not good against the run last year.

But I read something the other day from Falcons fan, on falcoholic.com I think, about him being improved this preseason.

He's a young player who didn't play much until last season.

The rest of their D is pretty good against the run. Both DEs, both OLB. Safeties are fine.

Akeem Dent is unproven at MLB so we'll see.

O.city
09-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Well, Peria Jerry was not good against the run last year.

But I read something the other day from Falcons fan, on falcoholic.com I think, about him being improved this preseason.

He's a young player who didn't play much until last season.

The rest of their D is pretty good against the run. Both DEs, both OLB. Safeties are fine.

Akeem Dent is unproven at MLB so we'll see.


Some here say the same thing about Baldwin.

O.city
09-05-2012, 07:06 PM
Looking at the Falcons roster, they don't have alot of depth. But they have alot of really good starters, and a really good qb to make up for it.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 07:07 PM
Some here say the same thing about Baldwin.

Yes, well, not so much based on preseason.

O.city
09-05-2012, 07:08 PM
Falcons got run all over during the preseason.

O.city
09-05-2012, 07:10 PM
I'm wondering without Hali, how we rush the passer. We can't just continuously drop 8 into coverage.

Count Alex's Losses
09-05-2012, 07:34 PM
I'm wondering without Hali, how we rush the passer. We can't just continuously drop 8 into coverage.

That's what Romeo has always done.

Especially against explosive offenses.

O.city
09-05-2012, 07:36 PM
IF we are actually healthy, with this group we could possibly get away with doing that, especially with Berry. But with the Falcons skill guys it will be tough.


It might actually be a good idea to drop 8, try to force the Falcons hand into throwing the ball underneath, come up and make the tackle and hope to get stops.

Chiefnj2
09-05-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm wondering without Hali, how we rush the passer. We can't just continuously drop 8 into coverage.

Let Powe and Poe 1 gap and penetrate.

O.city
09-05-2012, 08:36 PM
It would be great if Poe, Powe, and Jackson (just a bit isn't too much to ask) could rush the hell out of Ryan.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 08:58 PM
Not according to the world's foremost NFL ratings site.

BOTH of Atlanta's safeties are fine in run support. They're gonna be fine.

I'm sorry. "I was trying to say he wasn't elite and he was good." That was a typo.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-05-2012, 09:01 PM
Not according to the world's foremost NFL ratings site.

BOTH of Atlanta's safeties are fine in run support. They're gonna be fine.

Well, they looked like shit at training camp on the day I was there. I guess we'll see.

Jerry did look good and he has improved.

Best thing I saw was Jones vs. Gimes in one on ones. They split about 50/50. Grimes is amazing and can cover big guys.

Harry Douglas was very good. He was beating all three of their best corners. I think he will be a mismatch for Arenas.

Dent was very good at Georgia but he's a special teamer.

It was a fun day. We went for family day. Everything was free... I'm not really a Falcons fan but it was fun.

The Falcons defense has been soft all preseason. They are not playing the run well.