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ChiefsandO'sfan
09-06-2012, 09:53 AM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Injury news for #Chiefs: belcher has sore groin, won't practice today


Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Siler will take Belcher's place

Mr. Laz
09-06-2012, 09:54 AM
groin injuries can take forever to heal



:facepalm:

notorious
09-06-2012, 09:54 AM
Meh.

Chiefnj2
09-06-2012, 09:55 AM
Cool, no missed tackles on Sunday!

notorious
09-06-2012, 09:56 AM
Cool, no missed tackles on Sunday!

If I had to take one player off our starting defense, it would be Belcher. He is OK, but nothing special.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 09:57 AM
Siler gets his chance to show why he's the best tackler on the team now.

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 09:57 AM
Siler's the better tackler anyways.

Chiefnj2
09-06-2012, 09:57 AM
Maybe DJ will get the chance to learn a thing or two from Siler.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 09:57 AM
I do like what I see in Siler.

Despite the retarded pimping of him by teh n00b I think he'll end up better depth.

I has no faith in Belcher...

Mr. Laz
09-06-2012, 09:57 AM
can Siler stay healthy for an entire game?

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 09:58 AM
We all make jokes, but this is horrible news.

philfree
09-06-2012, 09:59 AM
Well that sucks but is DJ and Flowers on the field today?

Ceej
09-06-2012, 10:00 AM
BlackBrandon rejoices.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 10:00 AM
Well that sucks but is DJ and Flowers on the field today?

No.

And they aren't playing today...

Chiefs Pantalones
09-06-2012, 10:00 AM
He'll be fine. And if not, I don't think there would much dropoff from him to Siler. Belcher is nothing special.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:00 AM
I do like what I see in Siler.

Despite the retarded pimping of him by teh n00b I think he'll end up better depth.

I has no faith in Belcher...

This.

O.city
09-06-2012, 10:00 AM
It's a sore groin lets not burn this place down yet

loochy
09-06-2012, 10:03 AM
It's a sore groin lets not burn this place down yet

Seriously. It's not a pull or a tear, it's SORE. Rest it for a day and we'll see how it is this weekend.

SNR
09-06-2012, 10:03 AM
PREPARE TO ROLL OUT THE SILER GIFS

KCrockaholic
09-06-2012, 10:04 AM
Luckily Belcher is the most replaceable guy on the defense IMO. A close 2nd is Lewis. But Brandon Siler should do fine. He's better in coverage anyways.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:04 AM
PREPARE TO ROLL OUT THE SILER GIFS

The first time Siler misses a tackle....this place is going to explode.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:04 AM
LOL, Belcher would be a pretty big loss. He wears the speaker in his helmet. He calls the plays on defense. He's the guy Romeo talks to. Belcher makes the reads. Siler is a good back up but that's it. Even Romeo said there was never a competition between the two.

On that note, Belcher will play. He never misses time like the other pussies.

Some of you guys are stupid as **** and should listen to what people say. LOL

Rausch
09-06-2012, 10:05 AM
We all make jokes, but this is horrible news.

I see no way the "talent" wins this game.

We might coach, gameplan, and overall play better chess but we can't just line up and expect to win.

Romeo knows he's got an elephant sized hole in the secondary and his plan will be gen(i)ous or fall flat on its face...

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:07 AM
I see no way the "talent" wins this game.

We might coach, gameplan, and overall play better chess but we can't just line up and expect to win.

Romeo knows he's got an elephant sized hole in the secondary and his plan will be gen(i)ous or fall flat on its face...

If we had Hali.....RAC could just blitz the fuck out of Ryan in the beginning and hopefully break his confidence. Houston can still do that.....but Studebaker is about to get abused.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:11 AM
The first time Siler misses a tackle....this place is going to explode.

The first time anyone misses a tackle this place will explode you dumb****. With 30,000 posts you should know that.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 10:11 AM
If we had Hali.....RAC could just blitz the **** out of Ryan in the beginning and hopefully break his confidence. Houston can still do that.....but Studebaker is about to get abused.

I'll bet good money he doesn't get 50% of the pass rushing (2nd, 3rd and long) snaps...

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:12 AM
The first time anyone misses a tackle this place will explode you dumb****. With 30,000 posts you should know that.

Want to make a bet on how many tackles Siler gets this game?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:13 AM
Want to make a bet on how many tackles Siler gets this game?

Why would I do that? He won't even play jackass. If you had any nuts you would make the DJ bet with me.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 10:14 AM
Some of you guys are stupid as **** and should listen to what people say. LOL

...

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal2/orly_copter_pilot.jpg

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:15 AM
Why would I do that? He won't even play jackass. If you had any nuts you would make the DJ bet with me.

Your DJ bet is fucking worthless and retarded.

buddha
09-06-2012, 10:17 AM
Belcher is average...nothing more. Whether he plays or doesn't play, I don't see a huge difference. Some of you build average into "indispensable".

Belcher knows what he is and what he isn't. I don't think he's going to miss any time if he can help it.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:18 AM
Your DJ bet is ****ing worthless and retarded.

So let's get this straight... I told you people that I would leave for a year if DJ didn't miss one tackle in his first game this season. If he missed a tackle, then the taker had to leave the board for a year.

Siler has nothing to do with this. This bet is about you ****tards knowing that DJ is not a great tackler. By not taking the bet, you are saying you agree.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:19 AM
So let's get this straight... I told you people that I would leave for a year if DJ didn't miss one tackle in his first game. If he missed a tackle, then the taker had to leave the board for a year.

Siler has nothing to do with this. This bet is about you fucktards knowing that DJ is not a great tackler. By not taking the bet, you are saying you agree.

:spock:

Once again....who is confirming that he misses a tackle?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:21 AM
:spock:

Once again....who is confirming that he misses a tackle?

How about Luv? She seems like a fair person. It's not going to be a poll so you and your little buddies can run another boot party on me. I'm not that stupid.

If you don't take this, then you need to shut the fuck up about DJ being a better tackler. It's time to put your money where your mouth is.

loochy
09-06-2012, 10:24 AM
How about Luv? She seems like a fair person. It's not going to be a poll so you and your little buddies can run another boot party on me. I'm not that stupid.

great choice :rolleyes:

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:25 AM
great choice :rolleyes:

It is if you look at it from my shoes. It's as fair as it can get.

Hog Farmer
09-06-2012, 10:26 AM
LOL, Belcher would be a pretty big loss. He wears the speaker in his helmet. He calls the plays on defense. He's the guy Romeo talks to. Belcher makes the reads. Siler is a good back up but that's it. Even Romeo said there was never a competition between the two.

On that note, Belcher will play. He never misses time like the other pussies.

Some of you guys are stupid as **** and should listen to what people say. LOL


Is that you, Milkman ?

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:26 AM
How about Luv? She seems like a fair person. It's not going to be a poll so you and your little buddies can run another boot party on me. I'm not that stupid.

If you don't take this, then you need to shut the fuck up about DJ being a better tackler. It's time to put your money where your mouth is.

ROFL

Let me get this straight. If I don't take the bet....I have to shut the fuck up about it? This coming from the guy who has already admitted that he based his opinion off of NO fucking facts? Go fuck yourself. I'll keep reminding you that DJ is a better tackler than Siler. Better get used to it.

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 10:26 AM
How about Luv? She seems like a fair person. It's not going to be a poll so you and your little buddies can run another boot party on me. I'm not that stupid.

If you don't take this, then you need to shut the **** up about DJ being a better tackler. It's time to put your money where your mouth is.

I almost think of this as evidence that blackbob is a wendler mult. Only clayton would pick a girl, let alone luv.

(It's almost like wendler/blackbob singled luv out because of their history.)

Ace Gunner
09-06-2012, 10:27 AM
Oh good. Another thread where most of the "Belcher is a scrub" whiners got together to share their idiocy. Nice.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 10:28 AM
Oh good. Another thread where most of the "Belcher is a scrub" whiners got together to share their idiocy. Nice.

Correct us.

Bathe us in the light that is the greatness of teh Belcher...

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:31 AM
I almost think of this as evidence that blackbob is a wendler mult. Only clayton would pick a girl, let alone luv.

(no offense to luv, but it's almost like wendler/blackbob singled you out because of your history.)

Picking luv means the missed tackle would have to be obvious.



Let me get this straight. If I don't take the bet....I have to shut the **** up about it? This coming from the guy who has already admitted that he based his opinion off of NO ****ing facts? Go **** yourself. I'll keep reminding you that DJ is a better tackler than Siler. Better get used to it.

Go "slink away" again pestilence. Like I said, i am talking football with you as you are a football idiot. All you do is ride coat tails and sucker punch.

People see it. You are a flat out bitch if you keep bringing this up and you are going to fall hard. PM me if you want to take the bet.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:32 AM
Picking luv means the missed tackle would have to be obvious.





Go "slink away" again pestilence. Like I said, i am talking football with you as you are a football idiot. All you do is ride coat tails and sucker punch.

People see it. You are a flat out bitch if you keep bringing this up and you are going to fall hard.

LMAO

Yep....no one likes me or my discussions around here.

kcmaxwell
09-06-2012, 10:34 AM
I haven't gotten into all the bs about dj and the tackling thing, but is there Any player who never misses a tackle? That seems pretty unrealistic. just my .02...

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:34 AM
I haven't gotten into all the bs about dj and the tackling thing, but is there Any player who never misses a tackle? That seems pretty unrealistic. just my .02...

He's claiming that Siler is a better tackler than DJ.

SNR
09-06-2012, 10:35 AM
LMAO

Yep....no one likes me or my discussions around here.
BlackBob will replace you in the CP Mock Draft, and will draft nothing but midgets and expert tacklers from the SEC.

He will draft the greatest teams ever assembled.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:36 AM
BlackBob will replace you in the CP Mock Draft, and will draft nothing but midgets and expert tacklers from the SEC.

He will draft the greatest teams ever assembled.

That's it!


He's a CAChiefsfan mult! But with better sentence structure.

AndChiefs
09-06-2012, 10:38 AM
I haven't gotten into all the bs about dj and the tackling thing, but is there Any player who never misses a tackle? That seems pretty unrealistic. just my .02...

The one sitting on the bench.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:41 AM
I haven't gotten into all the bs about dj and the tackling thing, but is there Any player who never misses a tackle? That seems pretty unrealistic. just my .02...

Nope there isn't. All I am saying is that every Chiefs fan knows in his heart that DJ is known for missing tackles. There are alot of people here who don't want to admit it for some reason. I have proven Siler is a better tackle and said over and over that DJ is a better player and LBer. Over the course of Siler's career he misses less tackles per attempt. It's the truth. The DJ homerism is off the charts!

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:41 AM
The one sitting on the bench.

Nope, it's about tackles per attempt man. How many tackles are missed per attempt? It makes it all relative.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:42 AM
Nope there isn't. All I am saying is that every Chiefs fan knows in his heart that DJ is known for missing tackles. There are alot of people here who don't want to admit it for some reason. I have proven Siler is a better tackle and said over and over that DJ is a better player and LBer. Over the course of Siler's career he misses less tackles per attempt. It's the truth. The DJ homerism is off the charts!

:facepalm:

You haven't proven shit.

WhiteWhale
09-06-2012, 10:42 AM
So let's get this straight... I told you people that I would leave for a year if DJ didn't miss one tackle in his first game this season. If he missed a tackle, then the taker had to leave the board for a year.

Siler has nothing to do with this. This bet is about you ****tards knowing that DJ is not a great tackler. By not taking the bet, you are saying you agree.

Pretty much any ILB who is around the ball as much as DJ will miss a tackle or two in a game. Getting 14 tackles and missing one isn't a huge deal. It happens.

He's not a great tackler though. That would indicate his tackling ability is special. It's not. Other things make him special. Patrick Willis is an example of what I'd say is a great tackler.

I want a bigger sample size of Eric Berry, but I love the way he tackles.

kcmaxwell
09-06-2012, 10:45 AM
Pretty much any ILB who is around the ball as much as DJ will miss a tackle or two in a game. Getting 14 tackles and missing one isn't a huge deal. It happens.

He's not a great tackler though. That would indicate his tackling ability is special. It's not. Other things make him special. Patrick Willis is an example of what I'd say is a great tackler.

I want a bigger sample size of Eric Berry, but I love the way he tackles.

I totally agree. You make 14 tackles and miss a couple, i am totally fine with that.
Edit: and agree with the EB thing...

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:46 AM
Now....turn that around. If Siler was on the field as much as DJ....in the same starting position.....would he miss as many tackles?

WhiteWhale
09-06-2012, 10:48 AM
Now....turn that around. If Siler was on the field as much as DJ....in the same starting position.....would he miss as many tackles?

No. Because he wouldn't get to the ball carrier as often. DJ's pursuit is what makes him special... and raw athleticism.

Getting there is a big part of tackling. It doesn't count as a miss if you're not there to do anything.

Mr. Laz
09-06-2012, 10:50 AM
The first time Siler misses a tackle....this place is going to explode.

1st play on defense - Siler misses a tackle that allows a big run
2nd play on defense - Routt gets a pass interference penalty
3rd play on defense - Berry pulls a groin
4th play on defense - Gonzo makes a spectacular diving touchdown catch

1st play on offense - Bowe drops a pass
2nd play on offense - Hillis fumbles the ball that leads to another Atlanta TD
3rd play on offense - Daboll calls a run play for DMC up the middle for a 2 yard loss
4th play on offense - Cassel throws a pick 6


CP server takes a dump

Just Passin' By
09-06-2012, 10:50 AM
I have proven Siler is a better tackle

When did you do that?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:51 AM
Pretty much any ILB who is around the ball as much as DJ will miss a tackle or two in a game. Getting 14 tackles and missing one isn't a huge deal. It happens.

He's not a great tackler though. That would indicate his tackling ability is special. It's not. Other things make him special. Patrick Willis is an example of what I'd say is a great tackler.

I want a bigger sample size of Eric Berry, but I love the way he tackles.


DJ missed 10 tackles last year. One every 104 snaps. It was his best year.


Brandon Siler has missed 5 tackles in his last 708 snaps (career). One every 141 snaps.

CoMoChief
09-06-2012, 10:51 AM
I'd rather have Siler instead of Belcher anyways.

Having that said he's not a better tackler than DJ LMAO

bevischief
09-06-2012, 10:53 AM
BlackBrandon rejoices.

LMAO

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:54 AM
No. Because he wouldn't get to the ball carrier as often. DJ's pursuit is what makes him special... and raw athleticism.

Getting there is a big part of tackling. It doesn't count as a miss if you're not there to do anything.

Fucking Thank You.

This dipshit refuses to acknowledge this.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 10:54 AM
DJ missed 10 tackles last year. One every 104 snaps. It was his best year.


Brandon Siler has missed 5 tackles in his last 708 snaps (career). One every 141 snaps.

Hello clay...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/evielust/bloggery/Hello-1.jpg

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 10:55 AM
Siler's tackles are so pretty the opposing team will stand around to watch...this is a big boost for the Chiefs!

Mr. Laz
09-06-2012, 10:55 AM
DJ missed 10 tackles last year. One every 104 snaps. It was his best year.


Brandon Siler has missed 5 tackles in his last 708 snaps (career). One every 141 snaps.
DJ has missed 6 games in his entire career

Siler hasn't played 6 games straight since 2010

Setsuna
09-06-2012, 10:56 AM
Now....turn that around. If Siler was on the field as much as DJ....in the same starting position.....would he miss as many tackles?

No he wouldn't. Because he is a Gator.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:57 AM
No he wouldn't. Because he is a Gator.

you are damn right. I will take the SEC LBer everyday of the week when it comes to tackling.

Mr. Laz
09-06-2012, 10:57 AM
Because he is a Gheydork.
FYP

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 10:58 AM
No he wouldn't. Because he is a Gator.

you are damn right. I will take the SEC LBer everyday of the week when it comes to tackling.

:facepalm:

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 10:58 AM
Nope there isn't. All I am saying is that every Chiefs fan knows in his heart that DJ is known for missing tackles. There are alot of people here who don't want to admit it for some reason. I have proven Siler is a better tackle and said over and over that DJ is a better player and LBer. Over the course of Siler's career he misses less tackles per attempt. It's the truth. The DJ homerism is off the charts!

you are so ****ing stupid it destroys my mind

you haven't provided a single piece of evidence that a bench player is a better tackler than the Franchise record holder for tackles...

do you have some secret practice film where Siler demonstrates his awesome tackling technique while DJ takes notes?

you ****ing dipshit

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 10:58 AM
DJ has missed 6 games in his entire career

Siler hasn't played 6 games straight since 2010

Per attempts..... understand???....per attempts....

Also, we are comparing Siler's entire career to DJ's BEST YEAR.

bevischief
09-06-2012, 10:59 AM
:popcorn:

Rausch
09-06-2012, 10:59 AM
No he wouldn't. Because he is a Gator.

...

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 11:00 AM
Picking luv means the missed tackle would have to be obvious.




But you're not denying you're a wendler mult.

The sheer amount of posts since you've arrived, knowing just which buttons to push, picking luv, all out trolling, and this type of argument lead me to believe you're Clay's mult.

Mr. Laz
09-06-2012, 11:00 AM
Per attempts..... understand???....per attempts....

Also, we are comparing Siler's entire career to DJ's BEST YEAR.
fine ... IF he can stay healthy.

if he can't then stats don't mean shit

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:01 AM
you are so ****ing stupid it destroys my mind

you haven't provided a single piece of evidence that a bench player is a better tackler than the Franchise record holder for tackles...

do you have some secret practice film where Siler demonstrates his awesome tackling technique while DJ takes notes?

you ****ing dipshit

It's really beyond your intellegence. It's all good man and I am not trying to insult you or be a smartass. You aren't the only one. I'll just drop it. :toast:

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:01 AM
Siler is so awesome.....that he can't win the starting job over Belcher.....for the LB position where tackling and plugging the holes is the main thing that's required.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:02 AM
But you're not denying you're a wendler mult.

The sheer amount of posts since you've arrived, knowing just which buttons to push, picking luv, all out trolling, and this type of argument lead me to believe you're Clay's mult.

I'm not a mult dude. I have a long introduction thread here somewhere.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:02 AM
It's really beyond your intellegence. It's all good man and I am not trying to insult you or be a smartass. You aren't the only one. I'll just drop it. :toast:

Yeah....you'll drop it because you've got NO FUCKING EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP. The only thing that you've brought up.....you didn't even find. Someone else found that and you fucking latched onto it like a bitch.

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:04 AM
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brandon+Siler+Oakland+Raiders+v+San+Diego+KCC1bR1aIYCl.jpg

Quarterback Jason Campbell #8 the Oakland Raiders breaks the tackle of Brandon Siler #59 of the San Diego Chargers in the second quarter at Qualcomm Stadium on December 5, 2010 in San Diego, California. The Raiders defeated the Chargers 28-13.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:05 AM
http://espn.go.com/photo/2010/0803/nfl_u_siler_600.jpg

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/photo_images/8508082/20120818_jla_sr6_394_extra_large.jpg

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:05 AM
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brandon+Siler+Kansas+City+Chiefs+v+San+Diego+9Rv6NhrTqDGl.jpg

Dwayne Bowe #82 of the Kansas City Chiefs makes a catch ahead of Brandon Siler #59 and Thomas Jones #20 of the San Diego Chargers during fourth quarter at Qualcomm Stadium on December 12, 2010 in San Diego, California.

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:07 AM
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brandon+Siler+San+Diego+Chargers+v+Seattle+aEPDgMBv2Nal.jpg

Running back Justin Forsett #20 of the Seattle Seahawks rushes against Brandon Siler #59 of the San Diego Chargers at Qwest Field on September 26, 2010 in Seattle, Washington.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:09 AM
Now that's wrapping up.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fh6ro9DZDmI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Oh....and on the second play.....Siler get's completely blown out before he can move.

saphojunkie
09-06-2012, 11:10 AM
DJ misses more tackles, because DJ is fast enough to get into position to make plays. Siler is not capable of getting to the plays that DJ is. You're literally blaming DJ for being good enough to even get to the ball carrier, while Siler benefits from being too slow and stupid to even be able to miss a tackle. He's just NOT INVOLVED IN THE PLAY.

If Siler were so good at tackling and were capable of getting to the play, he would get more tackles per game than DJ. He does not.

It's like a guy who ONLY swings at fastballs. He hits the ball more times per swing!

Fine. He also takes far more strikes on curves. What's your effing point?

All of this is why we need to draft this guy next year:

http://www.bloguin.com/crystalballrun/images/stories/manti-teo.jpg

KC Tattoo
09-06-2012, 11:10 AM
Coach: what's the matter son

Johnny: I broke my dick coach

Coach: Alright rub sum dirt on it and get back in the game

Johnny: I broke my dick

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:11 AM
Chiefs fans made gif of how bad of a tackler DJ has been. I could find 1000 pics of DJ missing tackles. Who gives a shit? You are to stupid to understand the argument.

Falconidae
09-06-2012, 11:12 AM
LOL, Belcher would be a pretty big loss. He wears the speaker in his helmet. He calls the plays on defense. He's the guy Romeo talks to. Belcher makes the reads. Siler is a good back up but that's it. Even Romeo said there was never a competition between the two.

On that note, Belcher will play. He never misses time like the other pussies.

Some of you guys are stupid as **** and should listen to what people say. LOL

You the BlackBob on the Falcons board that basically claimed that Siler in for DJ wasn't a huge drop off?

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:13 AM
http://www.bsudailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2320468!/image/3211471305.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_260/3211471305.jpg

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Nate Davis (7) stiff-arms San Diego Chargers' Brandon Siler

LMAO

Ace Gunner
09-06-2012, 11:13 AM
No. Because he wouldn't get to the ball carrier as often. DJ's pursuit is what makes him special... and raw athleticism.

Getting there is a big part of tackling. It doesn't count as a miss if you're not there to do anything.

Hey. Do you remember that play that made you gasp in horror this pre season?

You know, that one where all your confidence in this defense was once again shattered, splintered in pieces?

That one play where your jaw dropped in amazement as to how a defense that had come so far over the past two seasons could suddenly look like the keystone cop sequence you hated watching over the past decade?

Ya, that play where, suddenly, the season ahead was about to be come the nightmare ahead?

That one play that changed everyone's outlook of the Chiefs 2012?

The play where 30 seconds into the game, the starting defense got trampled by an aging downhill runner?

That play where the opposing offense handed the ball off and ran it straight at Dorsey and DJ?

That play where Dorsey couldn't get off a single block to make a tackle?

That play where DJ ran through the hole and 5 yards into the opposing backfield while the ball carrier ran for a huge gain in DJ's absence?

That play where the RB gouged the defense for 20 yards before he was tackled by the free safety?

That play that shattered everyone's hope for a good season?

I knew you would remember.

Just in case though, here's the play;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000052030/Chiefs-vs-Rams-highlights

30 seconds in.

kcmaxwell
09-06-2012, 11:15 AM
DJ misses more tackles, because DJ is fast enough to get into position to make plays. Siler is not capable of getting to the plays that DJ is. You're literally blaming DJ for being good enough to even get to the ball carrier, while Siler benefits from being too slow and stupid to even be able to miss a tackle. He's just NOT INVOLVED IN THE PLAY.

If Siler were so good at tackling and were capable of getting to the play, he would get more tackles per game than DJ. He does not.

It's like a guy who ONLY swings at fastballs. He hits the ball more times per swing!

Fine. He also takes far more strikes on curves. What's your effing point?


That seems a pretty fair summation.

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:16 AM
http://prod.static.chargers.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/APImage/2009/10-October/39b738cf0dca4beea75a28ca170f8d08--nfl_large_590_Unlimited.jpg

Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson (27) get away from San Diego Chargers safety Eric Weddle (32) and linebacker Brandon Siler (59)

THE CENTAUR

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:16 AM
DJ misses more tackles, because DJ is fast enough to get into position to make plays. Siler is not capable of getting to the plays that DJ is. You're literally blaming DJ for being good enough to even get to the ball carrier, while Siler benefits from being too slow and stupid to even be able to miss a tackle. He's just NOT INVOLVED IN THE PLAY.

If Siler were so good at tackling and were capable of getting to the play, he would get more tackles per game than DJ. He does not.

It's like a guy who ONLY swings at fastballs. He hits the ball more times per swing!

Fine. He also takes far more strikes on curves. What's your effing point?

All of this is why we need to draft this guy next year:

http://www.bloguin.com/crystalballrun/images/stories/manti-teo.jpg

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

kcmaxwell
09-06-2012, 11:18 AM
I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

DJ, hands down with no hesitation.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 11:18 AM
I think Siler is perfect for the Levon Kirkland role.

The big hitter/space filler.

His problem is he "trods" left to right. He has no fucikng lateral movement at all. NONE.

His agility and quickness laterally are total $3it.

If he plays foreward, fills gaps, and makes tackles he could impress...

KCrockaholic
09-06-2012, 11:18 AM
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brandon+Siler+Kansas+City+Chiefs+v+San+Diego+9Rv6NhrTqDGl.jpg

FWIW and because I don't have a side in this argument, that's Kevin Burnett. Not Siler.

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:19 AM
http://www.fantasyfootballchallenge.com/images/player_photos/redskins-running-back-quinton-ganther-breaks-free-from-chargers-linebacker-brandon-siler.jpg

Washington Redskins running back Quinton Ganther (35) gets away from San Diego Chargers linebacker Brandon Siler


I'VE FALLEN AND CAN'T GET UP

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:19 AM
I think Siler is perfect for the Levon Kirkland role.

The big hitter/space filler.

His problem is he "trods" left to right. He has no fucikng lateral movement at all. NONE.

His agility and quickness laterally are total $3it.

If he plays foreward, fills gaps, and makes tackles he could impress...

I agree and Kirkland is a good comparison.

WhiteWhale
09-06-2012, 11:20 AM
Hey. Do you remember that play that made you gasp in horror this pre season?

You know, that one where all your confidence in this defense was once again shattered, splintered in pieces?

That one play where your jaw dropped in amazement as to how a defense that had come so far over the past two seasons could suddenly look like the keystone cop sequence you hated watching over the past decade?

Ya, that play where, suddenly, the season ahead was about to be come the nightmare ahead?

That one play that changed everyone's outlook of the Chiefs 2012?

The play where 30 seconds into the game, the starting defense got trampled by an aging downhill runner?

That play where the opposing offense handed the ball off and ran it straight at Dorsey and DJ?

That play where Dorsey couldn't get off a single block to make a tackle?

That play where DJ ran through the hole and 5 yards into the opposing backfield while the ball carrier ran for a huge gain in DJ's absence?

That play where the RB gouged the defense for 20 yards before he was tackled by the free safety?

That play that shattered everyone's hope for a good season?

I knew you would remember.

Just in case though, here's the play;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000052030/Chiefs-vs-Rams-highlights

30 seconds in.

Drama queen

Brock
09-06-2012, 11:20 AM
I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

What a stupid question.

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:20 AM
FWIW and because I don't have a side in this argument, that's Kevin Burnett. Not Siler.

yeah, it appears so...mislabled

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:21 AM
I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

Easily DJ.

the Talking Can
09-06-2012, 11:22 AM
I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?



DJ obviously...but apparently you'd rather have the shittier player in

you must think our coaches are fucking dumbasses to have the best tackler in the NFL sitting on the bench...

Ace Gunner
09-06-2012, 11:24 AM
DJ misses tackles because he's "too fast & athletic" ????? Oh gawd. That is hilarious.

saphojunkie
09-06-2012, 11:26 AM
I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player.

Can we please get this as his signature?



If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

If Michael Turner is running right at you, you do NOT try and hold your ground and form tackle. He'll break your clavicle. He has the size to do it, and he's RUNNING with you STANDING STILL.

DJ, smartly, would not try and "hit and wrap up." He would - as he does often - take out the runner's ankles. He's been doing it since UT, and it's how he ends up taking down so many runners in the backfield. He goes for their legs. I love it. I prefer it. Not everyone can do it effectively, but he can.

Now, what if it weren't Michael Turner? What if it were Darren Sproles? or McFadden? Forte? Mathews? Deangelo Williams? Any of the other runners that will just juke Siler out of his jockstrap and run around? Yeah...I'll still take DJ - because he won't lose those guys in the open field.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:27 AM
DJ, hands down with no hesitation.

Are you sure?

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/donks3/johnson.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/donks3/johnson22.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/DJ2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/DJ4.gif

http://i45.tinypic.com/oucev7.gif

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:29 AM
DJ obviously...but apparently you'd rather have the shittier player in

you must think our coaches are ****ing dumbasses to have the best tackler in the NFL sitting on the bench...

I never said that. I have said the opposite multiple times. It would be best if you would pull out and look around once in a while as you guys run the train on me.:thumb:

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:30 AM
Dude....you're posting GIFS from 2009. GTFO

saphojunkie
09-06-2012, 11:30 AM
Oh I get it...

This is your thing. Clay hates Cassel, and spams every thread on every board with that. You go around hating DJ. That's your thing. You didn't JUST gif this shit up. You've likely posted this crap everywhere Chiefs fans talk Chiefs.

It's your thing.

Cool. You hate DJ. Move on.

Ace Gunner
09-06-2012, 11:31 AM
Are you sure?

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/donks3/johnson.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/donks3/johnson22.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/DJ2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/DJ4.gif

http://i45.tinypic.com/oucev7.gif


ROFL best thread in awhile

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:32 AM
Oh I get it...

This is your thing. Clay hates Cassel, and spams every thread on every board with that. You go around hating DJ. That's your thing. You didn't JUST gif this shit up. You've likely posted this crap everywhere Chiefs fans talk Chiefs.

It's your thing.

Cool. You hate DJ. Move on.

Fuck you. I don't hate DJ. Read what I write or shut up bitch.

Ace Gunner
09-06-2012, 11:32 AM
Dude....you're posting GIFS from 2009. GTFO

was that the season DJ was "snubbed" from the pro bowl? LMAO

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:33 AM
Dude....you're posting GIFS from 2009. GTFO

If he's not the same guy as he was in 2009, then take the bet. If he can't tackle Moreno one on one then why in the **** would you take him over Siler against Turner?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:34 AM
was that the season DJ was "snubbed" from the pro bowl? LMAO

LMAO People always used to say that didn't they.

Frosty
09-06-2012, 11:35 AM
Dude....you're posting GIFS from 2009. GTFO

You mean the 2009 when DJ was learning a new defense and position and had his confidence just about destroyed by Cunther constantly jerking him around before that?

That 2009?

O.city
09-06-2012, 11:35 AM
No 09 was when he was only a third down player. 2010 was the snub year and last year was when he set the chiefs single season tackle record

O.city
09-06-2012, 11:36 AM
Bobby who's determining missed tackles if I take this bet

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:36 AM
If he's not the same guy as he was in 2009, then take the bet. If he can't tackle Moreno one on one then why in the **** would you take him over Siler against Turner?

Once again......showing GIFS from 2009 doesn't prove that Siler is a better tackler. Go show me Siler making some sweet tackles.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 11:37 AM
Bobby who's determining missed tackles if I take this bet

Apparently Luv.

Ace Gunner
09-06-2012, 11:40 AM
LMAO People always used to say that didn't they.
:D

Micjones
09-06-2012, 11:43 AM
Thank God Siler's healthy now.
Damn injury bugs.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 11:43 AM
You mean the 2009 when DJ was learning a new defense and position and had his confidence just about destroyed by ****her constantly jerking him around before that?

That 2009?

Yep, I guess that was the year. Now looky here, despite riding the pine all of 2009, he still managed to find himself in the top 10 players who led the league in missed tackles over the last three years.

Missed Tackles




Rank
Player
Snaps
Missed Tackles




1. Lance Briggs
3021
38

1. Geno Hayes
2563
38



3. DeAndre Levy
2430
37



4. Chad Greenway
3030
36

5.London Fletcher
3205
32


5. Curtis Lofton
2975
32



5.David Hawthorne
2628
32

8. James Anderson
2643
29

8.Rocky McIntosh
2335
29



10. Derrick O. Johnson
2447
28

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/05/three-years-of-tacklnig-efficiency-linebackers/

T-post Tom
09-06-2012, 11:50 AM
Probably from his nuts slipping out of his briefs when he was jumping in his jeep.

gblowfish
09-06-2012, 11:53 AM
Last year I kept saying over and over that Belcher was the weak link in our linebacker corps. I got beaten up bad over that. He's a average to less than average starting NFL linebacker. He's good on the run, sucks on the blitz, and draws personal foul penalties.

I think Siler will be better.

We will miss Tamba's pass rush a lot in this game. Hopefully Houston can pick it up.

Micjones
09-06-2012, 11:57 AM
Last year I kept saying over and over that Belcher was the weak link in our linebacker corps. I got beaten up bad over that. He's a average to less than average starting NFL linebacker. He's good on the run, sucks on the blitz, and draws personal foul penalties.

I think Siler will be better.

We will miss Tamba's pass rush a lot in this game. Hopefully Houston can pick it up.

Siler's pretty weak in coverage too, if memory serves.
I doubt we'll see an upgrade. Which is fine if he can be solid in run support like Belcher is.

Rausch
09-06-2012, 11:58 AM
We will miss Tamba's pass rush a lot in this game. Hopefully Houston can pick it up.

Tell him to use it all.

5 yards is better than 30. Use the hand-t0-teh-chin then immediately swim in.

We're using Salvation Army refs here...

Strongside
09-06-2012, 12:00 PM
I know you don't lose your starting spot due to injury...but Siler might supplant Belcher if he can perform.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-06-2012, 12:00 PM
Here's Siler smashing Turner if you are interested...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-diego-chargers/09000d5d80cec15d

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 12:20 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fh6ro9DZDmI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Leach dominated Siler straight up, and Siler's only defense is to grab him by the facemask and rip his helmet off.

Nice "tackle" Brandon.

BoneKrusher
09-06-2012, 12:30 PM
can Siler stay healthy for an entire game?

good question.

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 12:32 PM
I'm not a mult dude. I have a long introduction thread here somewhere.

We know. Doesn't mean you're not a mult. An introduction thread is a great coverup.

Brock
09-06-2012, 12:34 PM
Leach dominated Siler straight up, and Siler's only defense is to grab him by the facemask and rip his helmet off.

Nice "tackle" Brandon.

He stopped him with his face. I'd like to see DJ do that.

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 12:40 PM
He stopped him with his face. I'd like to see DJ do that.

DJ would have intercepted the pass and ran it in for a TD.

notorious
09-06-2012, 12:43 PM
Yawn.

boogblaster
09-06-2012, 12:54 PM
Tell him to use it all.

5 yards is better than 30. Use the hand-t0-teh-chin then immediately swim in.

We're using Salvation Army refs here...

yup .. the holding calls wont happen .. so use any thing needed to get pressure .....

Dartgod
09-06-2012, 01:02 PM
Here's Siler smashing Turner if you are interested...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-diego-chargers/09000d5d80cec15d

Who is this 'tard?

Yeah, Siler was involved in the play, but it looked like #51 was the first player to hit Turner.

Now here's a dominating goal line performance.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mhh9WBqGm8o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Count Zarth
09-06-2012, 01:06 PM
This is the fates aligning to rid us of Pioli, Crennel, Cassel and the poison of the Patriot Way.

Be brave. Tough times are ahead. But birth is a painful process. We will endure.

Rain Man
09-06-2012, 01:07 PM
I know you don't lose your starting spot due to injury...but Siler might supplant Belcher if he can perform.

I've never understood that rule. It always seemed to me that if you get hurt and then the guy behind you turns out to be The Incredible Hulk, the Hulk should keep the job.

ILChief
09-06-2012, 01:08 PM
:cuss:This is the fates aligning to rid us of Pioli, Crennel, Cassel and the poison of the Patriot Way.

Be brave. Tough times are ahead. But birth is a painful process. We will endure.

Cassel is the one we need to rid ourselves of. Get a top QB and the rest will be fine

Count Zarth
09-06-2012, 01:10 PM
So Siler is gonna start?

We are gonna see just how dumb Blackbob is.

Can't wait to GIF this idiot up.

kcmaxwell
09-06-2012, 01:10 PM
Are you sure?

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/donks3/johnson.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/donks3/johnson22.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/DJ2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/DJ4.gif

http://i45.tinypic.com/oucev7.gif

yes, positive. It's easy to cherry pick plays... Watching the rest of those same games, how many tackles does he make?

O.city
09-06-2012, 01:19 PM
It's being reported as a sore groin, I doubt or atleast hope it doesn't cause him to miss Sunday's game.

Sofa King
09-06-2012, 01:24 PM
So Siler is gonna start?

We are gonna see just how dumb Blackbob is.

Can't wait to GIF this idiot up.

You've set yourself up well. When Siler plays like shit, you can hammer him with your gif's and piss everyone off. When Siler plays well, you can use your Blackbob account to pimp him and piss everyone off.

Either way, people are pissed off and you've done your job trolling.

Well done.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-06-2012, 01:27 PM
There once was a midget named Ta'shiki...

Rain Man
09-06-2012, 01:28 PM
So our starting defense will have Flowers, Johnson, Hali, Belcher, Toribio, and Lewis all either hurt or missing.

This is really not going how I had hoped.

Count Zarth
09-06-2012, 01:28 PM
If BlackBob posts another Derrick Johnson, 2009 version GIF, he should be banned.

That is not a realistic portrayal of DJ.

O.city
09-06-2012, 01:30 PM
I'd venture to say that Hali and Lewis are the only guys missing.

Mr. Laz
09-06-2012, 02:06 PM
DJ misses tackles because he's "too fast & athletic" ????? Oh gawd. That is hilarious.
that's misleading


much like a shortstop with range, he has more opportunities to miss a guy and attempts more difficult tackles.

that said, our entire defense tackles pretty poorly.

If you tackle someone and don't end up on the ground yourself, you did something wrong. If you don't wrap up then you are probably worried about getting hurt and not fully committed to the tackle.

notorious
09-06-2012, 02:50 PM
The Patriot Way includes bogus injury reports.


We will be fully loaded minus Hali.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-06-2012, 03:04 PM
Meh.

Exactly. No great loss.

Big Smoke
09-06-2012, 03:07 PM
You've set yourself up well. When Siler plays like shit, you can hammer him with your gif's and piss everyone off. When Siler plays well, you can use your Blackbob account to pimp him and piss everyone off.

Either way, people are pissed off and you've done your job trolling.

Well done.

:troll:

Big Smoke
09-06-2012, 03:08 PM
I want the word Clay to bring up a picture of a troll.

Pestilence
09-06-2012, 03:08 PM
I want the word Clay to bring up a picture of a troll.

Go fuck yourself, n00b.

Setsuna
09-06-2012, 03:53 PM
FYP
ROFL Thanks :thumb:

...

Go :whackit: to Baldwin some more.

Count Zarth
09-06-2012, 05:05 PM
So if Belcher doesn't play...and DJ doesn't play...and Poe is Poe....our run defense = trash.

And if Flowers doesn't play...and Hali isn't playing....and neither is Lewis...our pass defense = trash.

Oh well.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/3844986_o.gif

O.city
09-06-2012, 05:06 PM
Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe
Siler did tell us today that there are a lot of injuries, but "we're glad most aren't serious" #chiefs

Rain Man
09-06-2012, 05:19 PM
So if Belcher doesn't play...and DJ doesn't play...and Poe is Poe....our run defense = trash.

And if Flowers doesn't play...and Hali isn't playing....and neither is Lewis...our pass defense = trash.

Oh well.



Where there is Jamaal Charles, there is hope.

Saccopoo
09-06-2012, 05:36 PM
I know you don't lose your starting spot due to injury...but Siler might supplant Belcher if he can perform.

Not a fucking chance.

Contrary to the misguided views espoused in this thread by certain individuals, Belcher is a very solid Mike backer who has gotten better each of the past two seasons.

He absolutely brings the lumber while defending the run and consistently blows up guards.

Belcher is, without question, ascending in this system and at the position.

O.city
09-06-2012, 06:05 PM
Belcher has a sore groin and this place implodes.