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chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 08:10 AM
Update
Anyone I'm forgetting?

Underclassman watch
The way Murray is playing, I think he can and will declare. I would imagine he'd declare if he knew he could be a #1 pick. And I think he could absolutely be a #1 pick over Barkley or Smith.

I know some people are high on Logan Thomas as a potential non top 10 pick. I'm not. I don't like QB converts. Doubt he declares and even when he does, not a real big fan of him.

Already in conversation
Geno Smith's stock is rising - could be a consensus #1 pick, which might go to the Browns. Barkley's stock is falling and this will be very interesting to monitor. He won't drop as Clausen did, but I could easily see him drop significantly. Landry Jones' stock is plummeting too. Tyler Wilson's stock is dropping some. I think the season could be shaping up where the Chiefs can take a stock dropper like Barkley or Wilson either without moving or making a pretty unaggressive trade up.

Sleepers
EJ Manuel is having a terrific season. Very talented QB, but can he run an NFL offense? Doubtful, but it's not a bad gamble depending on where his value ends up.

Tajh Boyd. This might be a guy to keep an eye on. Again, anything but a top shelf prospect, but a guy with some potential upside.

Ryan Nassib - not a franchise guy, but why not look at him to compete with Stanzi for QB depth


Out of contention
Tyler Bray seems to be playing his way out of serious draft pick contention. I don't think he has the mental toughness you'd want in a QB late in the game. He's obviously got a lot of work to do. I can't imagine he declares this year and, if he does, he's probably going to drop.

bevischief
09-09-2012, 08:15 AM
So which one we suck for this year?

ILChief
09-09-2012, 08:18 AM
So which one we suck for this year?

I think Barkley and Wilson (and maybe Bray) are the true studs. the rest are rolling the dice.

tredadda
09-09-2012, 08:19 AM
I realized after last year that I am not going to keep an eye on any of our potential QBOTF this year until after the season because:

1. No one knows where we will be drafting

2. No one knows who will and will not declare

3. No one knows how many people in front of us will need a QBOTF

4. The last time we drafted a QB in round 1 was 1983, so I don't have faith that we suddenly will draft one.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 09:28 AM
So which one we suck for this year?

The reason I'm opening up this conversation is that I don't think we have to "suck" on purpose to get a good QB. Last year, it was all in for RGIII and Andrew Luck. I'm sorry, but Tannehill is NOT a guy I want to drain a top 10 pick on. I think you'll find by year end a lot of QBs who are equal or better to Tannehill. Even if the Chiefs end up in the top 25, I think they could potentially stay put and get a decent QB prospect or trade up fairly unaggressively to get a good QB prospect.

Bowser
09-09-2012, 09:29 AM
I think Barkley and Wilson (and maybe Bray) are the true studs. the rest are rolling the dice.

We may actually have a shot at Wilson next year, with him wrecking his shoulder last night.

SNR
09-09-2012, 09:29 AM
I think Barkley and Wilson (and maybe Bray) are the true studs. the rest are rolling the dice.

What's the obsession with Wilson? Every time an Arkansas QB has a shot at the NFL, this forum goes apeshit over them. I don't fucking get it.

milkman
09-09-2012, 09:32 AM
I've liked Aaron Murray since his fresheman year, and think the kid has something that a good coaching staff could get out of him.

I am not a fan of the Bulldog's staff.

I am coming around on Geno Smith.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 09:33 AM
I realized after last year that I am not going to keep an eye on any of our potential QBOTF this year until after the season because:

1. No one knows where we will be drafting

2. No one knows who will and will not declare

3. No one knows how many people in front of us will need a QBOTF

4. The last time we drafted a QB in round 1 was 1983, so I don't have faith that we suddenly will draft one.

1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.

SNR
09-09-2012, 09:39 AM
1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.
I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

milkman
09-09-2012, 09:39 AM
I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

I tend to agree.

milkman
09-09-2012, 09:40 AM
I tend to agree.

Sadly, however, I believe it will be Landry Jones.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 09:40 AM
What's the obsession with Wilson? Every time an Arkansas QB has a shot at the NFL, this forum goes apeshit over them. I don't ****ing get it.

I think the forum goes apeshit about any QB that plays in a style that could translate well in the NFL. Too often you see insanely athletic QBs who can't pass well or don't have the football IQ. Too often you see pure pocket passers who operate in a vanilla spread or don't have the kind of arm strength.

I didn't like Mallett because I thought he was tremendous pocket passer, but don't think he'll ever be the right kind of leader. I think Wilson, on the other hand, gets you the qualities of a good pocket passer without the baggage.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 09:46 AM
I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

I'd like to believe you. I also believe that Pioli has a few achilles heels. 1) He is stubborn about proving he's right; 2) he is overly loyal to people he likes.

I think the defense and running game will make Cassel look better than he is, which is just enough for Pioli to use propaganda to tell the fans he's the answer.

I think Pioli's history suggests that he'll be overly loyal to Cassel and stubbornly prove that the "Patriot Way" applies to QBs, which is that you continually draft non-first rounders every year. In other words, I'm preparing myself for the disappointment that Pioli will stick with Cassel next year and draft a QB in the 3rd round.

Saccopoo
09-09-2012, 09:48 AM
I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 09:49 AM
They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.

Mike Backers are nice to have, but they don't win you championships.

Nobody on this board will be happy with that pick when we have a tremendous gap at the position that is crucial toward winning a championship.

Saccopoo
09-09-2012, 09:50 AM
Sadly, however, I believe it will be Landry Jones.

Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

tredadda
09-09-2012, 09:53 AM
1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.


1. If we draft 18-25 that means Cassel had a decent season, at least decent enough to justify not drafting his replacement in the first round.

2. The first 4 QBs you mentioned do all have to declare, but I don't see the others declaring. I don't see why they would when they could come back next season and be a higher pick. I could be wrong, but I remember how deep last year's QB class was "projected" to be, until it suddenly wasn't. I won't count my chickens before they hatch outside of the one who have to declare.

3. We will see. Last year 3 QBs went in the top 10, no reason to think that can't happen this year as injuries, suck, retirement etc..... play a role in next year's draft. I could see the Big 4 being gone in the Top 10-15 meaning if we finish outside of that range we could miss out again. Pioli may or may not trade up, we will see.

4. We have been knowing this for how long now? I just hope the front office notices it.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 09:53 AM
Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

Landry Jones has enough of a skill set, but has the heart of the cowardly lion. He's a guy proficient enough to be an NFL QB, but not a guy I want to be leading my team in a 2 minute drill or to inspire my team to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

Clausen was Landry Jones but with a better skill set. Nobody said Clausen was the QBOTF, just that to get a QBOTF, you have to take a chance at one.

Pioli has built a very good team off being "safe." To his credit, I think he's built a tremendous team off of good value picks and sure bets. But we're moving beyond that. The foundation is set, it's time to start taking a few gambles.

O.city
09-09-2012, 09:54 AM
Jarvis Jenkins in the first, Tyler Wilson in the second

Bump
09-09-2012, 09:54 AM
As of right now (of course it's going to look different once college football is over) I would be overwhelmed with joy if we got Geno Smith, Bray or Wilson.

I want to take a damn chance on a QB in the first fucking round.

milkman
09-09-2012, 09:57 AM
They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.

I've been defending Jovan Belcher here for 3 years.

Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

I never liked Clausen.


Landry Jones is a QB, like Matt Cassel, who needs players around him to raise his level of play.

I want a QB who raises the level of play around him.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 10:00 AM
1. If we draft 18-25 that means Cassel had a decent season, at least decent enough to justify not drafting his replacement in the first round.

2. The first 4 QBs you mentioned do all have to declare, but I don't see the others declaring. I don't see why they would when they could come back next season and be a higher pick. I could be wrong, but I remember how deep last year's QB class was "projected) to be, until it suddenly wasn't. I won't count my chickens before they hatch outside of the one who have to declare.

3. We will see. Last year 3 QBs went in the top 10, no reason to think that can't happen this year as injuries, suck, retirement etc..... play a role in next year's draft. I could see the Big 4 being gone in the Top 10-15 meaning if we finish outside of that range we could miss out again. Pioli may or may not trade up, we will see.

4. We have been knowing this for how long now? I just hope the front office notices it.

1. To the front office, yes. To any knowledgeable football mind, the Chiefs should draft a QB no matter what. Especially since any Chiefs' success will likely be due to the successes of our running game and defense, not the QB.

2. I disagree. Barkley is a good QB, but he's no Andrew Luck. Murray and Bray could declare because they could catapult Barkley. If either of these guys project to be top 5 picks, and I think that's a very distinct possibility, then there's no reason for them to stay another year.

3. I disagree. I think there is quite a bit more stability at the QB position and unlike last year, I don't think there's going to be a desperation grab that it's either the top 2 guys, or the 3rd guy we're "meh" about, and then... "oh shit, who now?"

JASONSAUTO
09-09-2012, 10:04 AM
Where were you zilla when Clausen came out?


Many called him a qbotf...
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Nightfyre
09-09-2012, 10:09 AM
Jarvis Jenkins in the first, Tyler Wilson in the second

I would cream my jeans if this could happen. I don't see Wilson falling to the second, however. Jarvis Jenkins is a freak . I bet he could play inside and outside in a RC 3-4.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 10:16 AM
Where were you zilla when Clausen came out?


Many called him a qbotf...
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Myself included. But look... the conversation around Luck and RGIII is that these guys are guaranteed successes and guaranteed QBOTFs. The conversation around Clausen was that "we get that maybe he's unproven in late game situations, and we get that there's character issues, but he shows POTENTIAL to be a QBOTF."

Yes, Clausen was overhyped. But I don't think it's accurate that many called him a guarantee at QBOTF. Just that Cassel wasn't a QBOTF and it's worth taking a gamble for a guy who has potential to be a QBOTF.

Saccopoo
09-09-2012, 10:17 AM
Landry Jones has enough of a skill set, but has the heart of the cowardly lion. He's a guy proficient enough to be an NFL QB, but not a guy I want to be leading my team in a 2 minute drill or to inspire my team to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

Heart of a cowardly lion? The guy has won three bowl games, including a BCS, a conference championship and owns nearly every Sooner passing record.

Clausen was Landry Jones but with a better skill set.

Holy hell...did you really just type that? Clausen's skill set wasn't good. It's why I hated the guy.

Nobody said Clausen was the QBOTF, just that to get a QBOTF, you have to take a chance at one.

You don't take a chance. You get the guy who you know fits the system and can take the team to that next level. Jones' skill set and physical attributes are damn near ideal for the offense that Daboll runs and he's not a Cassel clone. This guy has been pimped as a legit first rounder for two years now. Cassel was a seventh round pick for a reason. Jones has superb mechanics, a nice arm, is athletic, etc.

You may not like him because you think he's a "cowardly lion" (which I have no idea what that means, so you'll have to extrapolate a bit on that concept for me), but the guy has all the tools you look for in a NFL QB.

Pioli has built a very good team off being "safe." To his credit, I think he's built a tremendous team off of good value picks and sure bets. But we're moving beyond that. The foundation is set, it's time to start taking a few gambles.

When you gamble, more often than not, you lose. It's why they can continue to build billion dollar hotels in the middle of the Nevada desert. You don't take a guy at a position just to take the position. How would you like Jimmy Clausen as your current Chiefs QB? There were a shit ton of idiots around here that were perfectly happy taking that gamble.

Pawnmower
09-09-2012, 10:17 AM
this kid

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/297760_4119132628976_1295320755_n.jpg

HoneyBadger
09-09-2012, 10:17 AM
Id love to get Barkley, but wont happen. I'd like Bray, he was my brother's friend and they played sports together in high school.

JASONSAUTO
09-09-2012, 10:23 AM
You said no one called him a qbotf, then said you were includes in the group that called him a qbotf.


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chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 10:27 AM
Heart of a cowardly lion? The guy has won three bowl games, including a BCS, a conference championship and owns nearly every Sooner passing record.



Holy hell...did you really just type that? Clausen's skill set wasn't good. It's why I hated the guy.



You don't take a chance. You get the guy who you know fits the system and can take the team to that next level. Jones' skill set and physical attributes are damn near ideal for the offense that Daboll runs and he's not a Cassel clone. This guy has been pimped as a legit first rounder for two years now. Cassel was a seventh round pick for a reason. Jones has superb mechanics, a nice arm, is athletic, etc.

You may not like him because you think he's a "cowardly lion" (which I have no idea what that means, so you'll have to extrapolate a bit on that concept for me), but the guy has all the tools you look for in a NFL QB.



When you gamble, more often than not, you lose. It's why they can continue to build billion dollar hotels in the middle of the Nevada desert. You don't take a guy at a position just to take the position. How would you like Jimmy Clausen as your current Chiefs QB? There were a shit ton of idiots around here that were perfectly happy taking that gamble.

Your analogy is incorrect. You call drafting the wrong QB a "gamble." It's not a gamble, because the stakes for not gambling at all are worse. I love the Eric Berry pick, but a Safety isn't going to resurrect a team with no QB.

As for Landry Jones, he's inconsistent and he is a mess when the pocket collapses. It took him 4 years to really get the hint that he needs to be more disciplined about his conditioning and training -- I don't want a QB that needs to be pushed to do those things. And I don't want a QB who has to be taken out of red zone situations.

Saccopoo
09-09-2012, 10:29 AM
[QUOTE]I've been defending Jovan Belcher here for 3 years.

I know you have. We clash a bit on some issues, but you do know your football. You are able to look a little more deeply into a guy's performance than a lot of people around here and give a pretty objective analysis on it.

I never liked Clausen.

See above.


Landry Jones is a QB, like Matt Cassel, who needs players around him to raise his level of play.

I want a QB who raises the level of play around him.

The thing is, it's hard to fully establish that type of concept in a college system. Take a look at two Matt's: Leinart versus Stafford. Stafford never really excelled at Georgia despite a good offense and his immense talents. Leinart was the epitome of success at the college level but now seems to be a product of a system versus being a guy who can inspire and lead a team.

Jones is a solid person, already married, is a consummate team player in terms of his interaction with other players and coaches (as far as I can ascertain in reading about him), etc. And he's got all the tools, especially when you consider this system.

Personally, I think that he and Smith and Barkley and Wilson are all pretty much interchangable in terms of what they bring to the game. All are very solid QB prospects who would work well for this team. I like the four seniors (five if you count Mike Glennon of NC State, who I also think is a very good QB prospect, though not as polished as those first four) better than the three prospective first round juniors.

I just don't get the "Jones is horrible" stuff being bandied about here. He's not. He's a really good QB prospect and if you look at what he's asked to do in the system, especially looking back to what Bradford did in the system, I think that a lot of what people see as negatives in his game are actually things inherent in the OU offensive system. But then, that's asking people to be a bit more analytical and objective than what they are capable of.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 10:30 AM
You said no one called him a qbotf, then said you were includes in the group that called him a qbotf.


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I said pretty clearly that Clausen was viewed widely as "worth the gamble as a POTENTIAL QBOTF" vs. Luck/RGIII which were widely viewed as pretty surefire QBOTFs.

I don't remember anyone touting Clausen like he would be the next Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers.

qabbaan
09-09-2012, 10:30 AM
Cassel will be our QB next year. Sorry

rico
09-09-2012, 10:32 AM
The reason I'm opening up this conversation is that I don't think we have to "suck" on purpose to get a good QB. Last year, it was all in for RGIII and Andrew Luck. I'm sorry, but Tannehill is NOT a guy I want to drain a top 10 pick on. I think you'll find by year end a lot of QBs who are equal or better to Tannehill. Even if the Chiefs end up in the top 25, I think they could potentially stay put and get a decent QB prospect or trade up fairly unaggressively to get a good QB prospect.

This....this....this.

Tannehill sucks... by reaching on Tannehill, Miami potentially could have just "given in" to their demanding, QBOTF-impatient fanbase who were receiving national media attention for wanting a QBOTF so badly..

Tannehill....the randomly ordained #3 QB prospect after Barkley didn't declare for draft. I was so sick of hearing about him and I am eager to watch him fail.

Bray and Smith are the prospects who intrigue me the most. Even moreso than Barkley.

milkman
09-09-2012, 10:34 AM
[quote=milkman;8891093]

I know you have. We clash a bit on some issues, but you do know your football. You are able to look a little more deeply into a guy's performance than a lot of people around here and give a pretty objective analysis on it.



See above.




The thing is, it's hard to fully establish that type of concept in a college system. Take a look at two Matt's: Leinart versus Stafford. Stafford never really excelled at Georgia despite a good offense and his immense talents. Leinart was the epitome of success at the college level but now seems to be a product of a system versus being a guy who can inspire and lead a team.

Jones is a solid person, already married, is a consummate team player in terms of his interaction with other players and coaches (as far as I can ascertain in reading about him), etc. And he's got all the tools, especially when you consider this system.

Personally, I think that he and Smith and Barkley and Wilson are all pretty much interchangable in terms of what they bring to the game. All are very solid QB prospects who would work well for this team. I like the four seniors (five if you count Mike Glennon of NC State, who I also think is a very good QB prospect, though not as polished as those first four) better than the three prospective first round juniors.

I just don't get the "Jones is horrible" stuff being bandied about here. He's not. He's a really good QB prospect and if you look at what he's asked to do in the system, especially looking back to what Bradford did in the system, I think that a lot of what people see as negatives in his game are actually things inherent in the OU offensive system. But then, that's asking people to be a bit more analytical and objective than what they are capable of.

When I watch Jones, I don't see a leader that inspires.

I thought that Bradford was a QB who would excel in the right system in the NFL.

I don't see that with Jones.

When a QB's performance drops as dramatically Jones did because of the loss of one guy, even if that guy is his #1 weapon, that raises a red flag.

chiefzilla1501
09-09-2012, 10:41 AM
You said no one called him a qbotf, then said you were includes in the group that called him a qbotf.


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By the way, for the record, I was an avid supporter of Clausen. While I think it's way too soon to judge his career, I also am fine owning up to the fact that he's become more of a longshot. But I don't think it's bad to lose on a gamble at QB because it's better than not gambling at all.

And I still stand by the point that while Clausen was widely hyped as a pick we needed to make, it was largely because people believed we needed to take a chance on a QB. Not because he was any surefire QBOTF. And yes, I was a supporter of Clausen and not of Tannehill's. I get that that prediction may not look good today, but I'll own up to it.

tredadda
09-09-2012, 11:07 AM
1. To the front office, yes. To any knowledgeable football mind, the Chiefs should draft a QB no matter what. Especially since any Chiefs' success will likely be due to the successes of our running game and defense, not the QB.

2. I disagree. Barkley is a good QB, but he's no Andrew Luck. Murray and Bray could declare because they could catapult Barkley. If either of these guys project to be top 5 picks, and I think that's a very distinct possibility, then there's no reason for them to stay another year.

3. I disagree. I think there is quite a bit more stability at the QB position and unlike last year, I don't think there's going to be a desperation grab that it's either the top 2 guys, or the 3rd guy we're "meh" about, and then... "oh shit, who now?"

I will wait and see on that one. What if Palmer bombs? How about Ponder? Gabbert? Freeman? Sanchez? Buffalo could be looking at QB as could AZ as could Houston if Schaub gets injured again. Alex Smith could have a bad season and could force SF to look at a QB. Anything can happen and to believe there is more stability at the QB position this year than last is a stretch.

DeezNutz
09-09-2012, 11:38 AM
I believe that Murray has the skill set to become a very good NFL QB. Probably not elite, but he might be in that next tier of guys.

If Pioli is too stubborn/scared/whatever to pull the trigger on a QB in the first, Murray in the second would be an OK consolation prize.

chiefzilla1501
09-30-2012, 07:55 AM
Update
Anyone I'm forgetting?

Underclassman watch
The way Murray is playing, I think he can and will declare. I would imagine he'd declare if he knew he could be a #1 pick. And I think he could absolutely be a #1 pick over Barkley or Smith.

I know some people are high on Logan Thomas as a potential non top 10 pick. I'm not. I don't like QB converts. Doubt he declares and even when he does, not a real big fan of him.

Already in conversation
Geno Smith's stock is rising - could be a consensus #1 pick, which might go to the Browns. Barkley's stock is falling and this will be very interesting to monitor. He won't drop as Clausen did, but I could easily see him drop significantly. Landry Jones' stock is plummeting too. Tyler Wilson's stock is dropping some. I think the season could be shaping up where the Chiefs can take a stock dropper like Barkley or Wilson either without moving or making a pretty unaggressive trade up.

Sleepers
EJ Manuel is having a terrific season. Very talented QB, but can he run an NFL offense? Doubtful, but it's not a bad gamble depending on where his value ends up.

Tajh Boyd. This might be a guy to keep an eye on. Again, anything but a top shelf prospect, but a guy with some potential upside.

Ryan Nassib - not a franchise guy, but why not look at him to compete with Stanzi for QB depth


Out of contention
Tyler Bray seems to be playing his way out of serious draft pick contention. I don't think he has the mental toughness you'd want in a QB late in the game. He's obviously got a lot of work to do. I can't imagine he declares this year and, if he does, he's probably going to drop.

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