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listopencil
09-10-2012, 10:19 PM
Jerry Lawler Collapses During Live Raw; Has CPR Performed As Michael Cole Informs Viewers ďThis Is Not Part Of The ShowĒ [UPDATE]

Timothy Burke

WWE's Raw has gone silent in Montreal tonight as wrestling legend Jerry "The King" Lawler collapsed at the announcer's desk and immediately received CPR during tonight's live airing of the program.


http://deadspin.com/5942112/jerry-lawler-collapses-during-live-raw-has-cpr-performed-as-michael-cole-informs-viewers-this-is-not-part-of-the-show?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Molitoth
09-10-2012, 10:53 PM
First in with "staged".

Dayze
09-10-2012, 10:55 PM
First in with "staged".

Bastard. LMAO

BryanBusby
09-10-2012, 10:56 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/I-usCDR3tiE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Starts about 7 minutes in. You could hear him gasping for air and he just collapsed.

Buck
09-10-2012, 10:56 PM
Wow. Prayers go out to The King. He's the best.

Dayze
09-10-2012, 10:58 PM
Fake prayers go out

Inmem58
09-10-2012, 10:58 PM
Chris Benoit is a better father than Lawler

Dayze
09-10-2012, 11:01 PM
Chris Benoit is a better father than Lawler

Benoit balls...so I've heard

Brock
09-10-2012, 11:02 PM
Vince McMahon wondering if fedex will deliver his termination papers to the ER.

Phobia
09-10-2012, 11:02 PM
I am pleased to say that I don't know any of these people any more than I would know Honey Boo Boo.

Planetman
09-10-2012, 11:03 PM
Lawler is a staple in the WWE Universe. Prayers to The King.

Dayze
09-10-2012, 11:04 PM
" it's still real to me damnit" !

BigMeatballDave
09-10-2012, 11:05 PM
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L.A. Chieffan
09-10-2012, 11:11 PM
Its all an elaborate hoax to bring back Andy Kaufman

Luke Warm
09-10-2012, 11:13 PM
"Waaaaaaah! Goddamn it, why didn't you put this in the Rasslin is Orton thread Waaaaaaah"

I'm surprised no one has posted that yet with their vajayjay dripping DNA.

Dave Lane
09-10-2012, 11:13 PM
I am pleased to say that I don't know any of these people any more than I would know Honey Boo Boo.

I don't even know who Honey boo boo is so I'm gonna just call it good.

L.A. Chieffan
09-10-2012, 11:14 PM
Buy or Sell: Luke Warm banned in the next 48 hours.

Luke Warm
09-10-2012, 11:15 PM
Buy or Sell: Luke Warm banned in the next 48 hours.

ROFL ROFL

The menstration is oozing out my screen. Clotty.

Planetman
09-10-2012, 11:21 PM
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/jerry-lawler-stretcher.jpg

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/michael-cole-disbelief.jpg

Dayze
09-10-2012, 11:22 PM
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/jerry-lawler-stretcher.jpg

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/michael-cole-disbelief.jpg

LMAO

Planetman
09-10-2012, 11:25 PM
LMAO
The Montreal Associated Press is reporting it as a real life event. I'm pretty sure this isn't a work.

Reaper16
09-10-2012, 11:29 PM
If you're thinking it's a work, it isn't. This was as scary to watch tonight as the situation with Tulane's Devon Walker was.

NJChiefsFan
09-10-2012, 11:29 PM
The Montreal Associated Press is reporting it as a real life event. I'm pretty sure this isn't a work.

Pretty sure he either puked or pissed himself based on what a fan was saying. You can basically tell the difference between works and real life. Seemed pretty legit. Not to mention there is no fit in the story line for it in the way it happened. If you weren't paying close attention during the match you never would have known it happened.

Dayze
09-10-2012, 11:29 PM
The Montreal Associated Press is reporting it as a real life event. I'm pretty sure this isn't a work.

Well shit....

BryanBusby
09-10-2012, 11:30 PM
Yeah it's not a work and they even went out of their way to mention it was not a work.

It was handled the same way the Owen Hart accident was, so we knew it was legit quickly.

NJChiefsFan
09-10-2012, 11:33 PM
Yeah it's not a work and they even went out of their way to mention it was not a work.

It was handled the same way the Owen Hart accident was, so we knew it was legit quickly.

Yeah and from how everything was going I think everyone expected Cole to say that he had died.

Planetman
09-10-2012, 11:34 PM
If you weren't paying close attention during the match you never would have known it happened.
That's because Cole rambles on endlessly. Lawer is laying there and he just continues to babble.

BigRock
09-10-2012, 11:35 PM
Wow. Prayers go out to The King. He's the best.
Seconded in every way.

BryanBusby
09-10-2012, 11:36 PM
That's because Cole rambles on endlessly. Lawer is laying there and he just continues to babble.

Cole was a war correspondent, so basically he was capable of handling the situation well enough to draw attention to it.

Dude handled it really, really well.

otherstar
09-10-2012, 11:50 PM
Yeah, it's got to be real. If it was a work, it would have been mentioned by Cole. Lawler is in his early 60's and has been wrestling again lately. Who knows if he was taking any kind of supplements...even if not...he's not a young man anymore.

Prayers going out for the King and his family.

BryanBusby
09-11-2012, 12:00 AM
He did an event in Aruba than flew to Montreal for wrasslin and had a match before collapsing.

He's old and not in the greatest shape.

BigMeatballDave
09-11-2012, 12:25 AM
In honor of this 'sport', I'll pretend to care...

listopencil
09-11-2012, 12:29 AM
Update (12:40 p.m.) It's now believed Lawler suffered a heart attack.

Luke Warm
09-11-2012, 12:32 AM
He was "clinically dead" for 20 minutes before being revived by defibrilator

listopencil
09-11-2012, 12:33 AM
(CNN) -- Wrestling legend and World Wrestling Entertainment announcer Jerry "The King" Lawler has been hospitalized after collapsing during a show in Montreal on Monday night, the show's producers announced.

Lawler passed out at ringside and was given CPR in the locker room of the arena before being taken to a hospital, co-host Michael Cole told viewers during a break in the televised program. Cole said the 62-year-old Lawler was in the emergency room and breathing on his own, but "this is an extremely serious situation."

"This is not part of tonight's entertainment," Cole said. "This is a real-life situation."

Later in the program, Cole said Lawler was responding to tests and would be given a CT scan at the hospital, adding, "Jerry, my friend, my prayers are with you."

Lawler made his name in wrestling in the 1970s, winning multiple regional championships in Memphis, Tennessee, and the Mid-South Wrestling circuit. But he became famous beyond the wrestling world for a 1982 bout with comedian Andy Kaufman.

Kaufman, who had begun wrestling women during his nightclub act, accepted a challenge from Lawler and trash-talked both the wrestler and Memphis before the match. The 6-foot, 243-pound Lawler trounced the skinny comedian, who was hauled away in a stretcher.

A few weeks later, the pair appeared on "Late Night with David Letterman" and got into an argument that ended with Lawler slapping Kaufman, followed by Kaufman delivering a profanity-laced tirade and being chased off the set.

But like much of Kaufman's shtick, the feud was an elaborate put-on.

"They'd be at the coliseum, supposedly trying to kill each other, and then I'd get off the 10 o'clock newscast and walk into the newsroom, and Jerry and Andy would be sitting in an edit booth discussing what had happened and where to go from there," veteran Memphis wrestling announcer Dave Brown told CNN earlier this year.

Lawler was inducted into the Connecticut-based WWE's Hall of Fame in 2007 and played himself in the 1999 Kaufman biopic "Man on the Moon."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/10/showbiz/wrestling-lawler/index.html

listopencil
09-11-2012, 12:35 AM
He was "clinically dead" for 20 minutes before being revived by defibrilator

I hope he comes out of this OK. He brought a lot of goofy fun to wrestling.

Luke Warm
09-11-2012, 12:38 AM
I hope he comes out of this OK. He brought a lot of goofy fun to wrestling.

Yea me too. He's gonna get the biggest pop ever when he comes back.

NJChiefsFan
09-11-2012, 12:39 AM
He was "clinically dead" for 20 minutes before being revived by defibrilator

Where did you read this?

Luke Warm
09-11-2012, 12:42 AM
Where did you read this?

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/9243/report-jerry-lawler-was-clinically-dead-for-20-minutes

NJChiefsFan
09-11-2012, 12:46 AM
http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/9243/report-jerry-lawler-was-clinically-dead-for-20-minutes

Thanks. Damn.

BryanBusby
09-11-2012, 12:46 AM
Where did you read this?

Smith Hart ‏@SmithHart1
According to my friend Jeremy Prophet who was backstage at RAW, Jerry was clinically dead for 20 min before being brought back by defibrilat

If that's actually the case, I see no way he works again.

NJChiefsFan
09-11-2012, 12:46 AM
Smith Hart ‏@SmithHart1
According to my friend Jeremy Prophet who was backstage at RAW, Jerry was clinically dead for 20 min before being brought back by defibrilat

Crazy stuff.

BryanBusby
09-11-2012, 12:49 AM
I'd think being clinically dead for 20 minutes would bring brain damage.

thurman merman
09-11-2012, 12:52 AM
Fake prayers go out

ROFL

listopencil
09-11-2012, 12:55 AM
http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/9243/report-jerry-lawler-was-clinically-dead-for-20-minutes

I'm really hoping that's a storyline.

ClevelandBronco
09-11-2012, 12:58 AM
I'd think being clinically dead for 20 minutes would bring brain damage.

To a wrestler? How could they even measure that?

Luke Warm
09-11-2012, 12:58 AM
I'm really hoping that's a storyline.

It's not.

BryanBusby
09-11-2012, 01:02 AM
To a wrestler? How could they even measure that?
Wait for him to roll into a pre-school to pick up his next date?

Phobia
09-11-2012, 01:08 AM
I don't even know who Honey boo boo is so I'm gonna just call it good.

One of my wife's friends told me it's a reality show about a little fat beauty contestant trailer trash sillifest. I've never seen it but it sounds awful.

listopencil
09-11-2012, 01:15 AM
One of my wife's friends told me it's a reality show about a little fat beauty contestant trailer trash sillifest. I've never seen it but it sounds awful.

I googled it. Holy shit. This is fucking horrible.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/l9nbhzKaqvA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


I think I have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder now.

BryanBusby
09-11-2012, 01:20 AM
I googled it. Holy shit. This is fucking horrible.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/l9nbhzKaqvA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


I think I have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder now.
Now I know how black people feel when Flava Flav made it on TV.

listopencil
09-11-2012, 01:21 AM
Now I know how black people feel when Flava Flav made it on TV.

You'd best redneckognize.

NJChiefsFan
09-11-2012, 01:22 AM
Now I know how black people feel when Flava Flav made it on TV.

Whenever somebody represents a race or region of horribly as they possibly can, I can't help but think about what normal people in such a group think of them. For example, what I think about people on the show Jersey Shore.

Radar Chief
09-11-2012, 08:22 AM
I googled it. Holy shit. This is ****ing horrible.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/l9nbhzKaqvA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


I think I have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder now.

:facepalm: Mrs. Radar DVRís it. :facepalm:
I donít think you can imagine how pissed off I get when Iím in the man cave watching a show and it gets interrupted to go record Honey Boo Boo. :cuss:

Deberg_1990
09-11-2012, 08:25 AM
heh, ive seen the Honey Boo Boo show. Ill admit it made me laugh but I felt guiltly about it slightly. Its exploitation of the highest order. Its got every redneck sterotype in the book.

Saulbadguy
09-11-2012, 08:35 AM
E-C-W! E-C-W! E-C-W!

Planetman
09-11-2012, 10:58 AM
Not a work. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/09/wrestling-legend-jerry-lawler-suffers-heart-attack-during-live-wwe-show/

DJ's left nut
09-11-2012, 11:06 AM
THAT'S how I know his name - Andy Kaufman.

Dude's led an interesting life, to be sure.

Dave Lane
09-11-2012, 11:49 AM
To a wrestler? How could they even measure that?

One of the two braincells is damaged in some way.

sedated
09-11-2012, 12:19 PM
Who is more brain-dead: A person who has been clinically dead for 20 minutes? Or a person who watches Honey Boo Boo?

Ceej
09-11-2012, 12:30 PM
E-C-W! E-C-W! E-C-W!

I used to love ECW.

I remember growing up and staying up until like 1am to catch their shows on like channel 95 or something every Saturday.

They also put on a couple of shows at Century II in Wichita which I attended.

Good stuff.

listopencil
09-11-2012, 02:47 PM
Critical but stable condition, heavily sedated. I have no idea how much brain damage he might have suffered;



Jerry “The King” Lawler, who suffered a heart attack during WWE’s “Monday Night Raw,” is in critical but stable condition, recovering from coronary angioplasty in the Cardiac Care Unit of a Montreal hospital.

Lawler’s ex-wife, former WWE diva Stacy Carter, tweeted this morning (https://twitter.com/stacycarterkat/status/245526083913523200) that he had undergone a procedure in which “a [stent] and a balloon” were implanted and he “is still heavily sedated.”

In a statement, WWE said: “As of this morning, Jerry ‘The King’ Lawler is in a cardiac care unit and all his vital signs are stable. WWE will provide additional information as it becomes available. We continue to wish Jerry all the best for a full recovery.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/jerry-the-king-lawler-stable-after-suffering-heart-attack-during-monday-night-raw/2012/09/11/af35b36c-fc16-11e1-8adc-499661afe377_blog.html

kepp
09-11-2012, 03:27 PM
This thread reminded me of this old post, one of my all-time favorites - http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4167051&postcount=7

frankotank
09-11-2012, 03:54 PM
Critical but stable condition, heavily sedated. I have no idea how much brain damage he might have suffered;


he's gonna be OK.
'cause all the little Hulksters were saying their prayers and taking their vitamins!
oh yeah brother!

WV
09-11-2012, 03:59 PM
Always amazes me what threads get pages of responses on CP.

listopencil
09-11-2012, 04:21 PM
Always amazes me what threads get pages of responses on CP.

Pro wrestling has a changed a lot over the years. Decades ago it was goofy fun for the whole family, kind of like a traveling circus. I never liked the circus but I have fond memories from my childhood of going to the shows with my family. And then watching these same guys on TV. When I had young children of my own in the 80's and 90's we would watch it on Monday nights during the NFL off season. We knew it was a joke. But it was a goofy "in joke" and we had a lot of fun with it. I haven't seen much lately that I enjoy. I haven't watched it in art least five years, maybe closer to ten. But some of these old school guys gave me a lot of entertainment. It's sad to see them in bad shape (or dead) now.

Luke Warm
09-12-2012, 11:53 AM
http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/9298/great-news-jerry-lawler-has-no-brain-damage

No brain damage. That's good.

Deberg_1990
09-12-2012, 12:23 PM
Pro wrestling has a changed a lot over the years.

I donít watch as much as I used to be but every now and then I flip it over. It seems to me that its more performing and acting now than actual wrestling. Theres always been characters of course, but now its like 30 minutes of a scripted act in the middle of the stage before any actually wrestling begins.

Radar Chief
09-12-2012, 12:31 PM
http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/9298/great-news-jerry-lawler-has-no-brain-damage

No brain damage. That's good.

Probably saved by callouses from all the years of getting it knocked around.


Too soon?

eazyb81
09-12-2012, 12:47 PM
http://t.qkme.me/3oq7so.jpg

Luke Warm
09-12-2012, 01:14 PM
Probably saved by callouses from all the years of getting it knocked around.


Too soon?

It's NEVER too soon for good jokes. Kudos:thumb:

http://t.qkme.me/3oq7so.jpg

And here we have the opposite. Very original. I have NEVER seen or heard about this before. Thanks for your contribution :clap:

beach tribe
09-12-2012, 02:02 PM
I donít watch as much as I used to be but every now and then I flip it over. It seems to me that its more performing and acting now than actual wrestling. Theres always been characters of course, but now its like 30 minutes of a scripted act in the middle of the stage before any actually wrestling begins.

It's been that way since like 1990.

listopencil
09-12-2012, 02:04 PM
http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/9298/great-news-jerry-lawler-has-no-brain-damage

No brain damage. That's good.

Wow, that is incredible. Good to hear.

listopencil
09-12-2012, 02:06 PM
I donít watch as much as I used to be but every now and then I flip it over. It seems to me that its more performing and acting now than actual wrestling. Theres always been characters of course, but now its like 30 minutes of a scripted act in the middle of the stage before any actually wrestling begins.


Yeah, I had that discussion with my kids when it went to crap. The shows on broadcast are just giant commercials for the pay-per-views. I had them time the matches versus the periods of inaction and they finally got it. That's when we stopped watching.

Reaper16
09-12-2012, 02:07 PM
I donít watch as much as I used to be but every now and then I flip it over. It seems to me that its more performing and acting now than actual wrestling. Theres always been characters of course, but now its like 30 minutes of a scripted act in the middle of the stage before any actually wrestling begins.

It's been that way since like 1990.

Yup. It's been that way ever since television and consolidation killed off the territories system.

Before, a wrestler could succeed with a shallow gimmick. No need to develop his character through many, many storylines because once he ran through his character in one territory he could then go to a different territory -- where no fans knew about you -- and go through the same story over again against a different opponent.

When the territories died off, wrestles needed to constantly keep their gimmicks fresh. Thus, increased time spent on the mic, developing new stories outside of ring-work.

otherstar
09-12-2012, 02:25 PM
Long gone are the days when pro wrestling was about 10 minutes of promos (total for both wrestlers) followed by a 45 minute best two out of three falls title match that you never got to see ended on TV because the match was too long (you'd find out who won the next week on TV). Also gone are matches that ended in a draw because of the TV time limit (which was something like 15 minutes).

Phobia
09-12-2012, 02:26 PM
And here we have the opposite. Very original. I have NEVER seen or heard about this before. Thanks for your contribution :clap:

The way you bust into tears each time that's posted leads me to naturally deduce that the 45 year old ginger depicted really is you.

Reaper16
09-12-2012, 03:06 PM
Long gone are the days when pro wrestling was about 10 minutes of promos (total for both wrestlers) followed by a 45 minute best two out of three falls title match that you never got to see ended on TV because the match was too long (you'd find out who won the next week on TV). Also gone are matches that ended in a draw because of the TV time limit (which was something like 15 minutes).

Which is a shame, because draws were a good way of keeping the heat up between two wrestlers without having a decided finish detract from either one. No one has patience for draws anymore.

otherstar
09-12-2012, 04:43 PM
Which is a shame, because draws were a good way of keeping the heat up between two wrestlers without having a decided finish detract from either one. No one has patience for draws anymore.

I concur wholeheartedly! If my memory serves me correctly, there seemed to be much more heat in the feuds between Harley Race and Ric Flair than in anything going on today (even though outside the ring, the two were friends--but that wasn't known at the time because of kayfabe).

Harley, Ric, Dusty Rhodes, etc., all had this air about them that made you believe they could, and possibly would, beat the crap out of you at any given moment if they felt like it. I rarely get that impression from anyone I see wrestling anymore...none of them really seem that tough.

Don't get me wrong, I love CM Punk, and some of the newer wrestlers in the WWE that have come up from the indie circuits, but they still don't have the same aura about them that some of the wrestlers did back in the day.

MOhillbilly
09-12-2012, 05:22 PM
I looooved grapplin more than any thing else on tv in the 70s-80s. I would get so fuckin pumped. Then when i was 11 or 12 I sprouted ball fuzz and discovered football.

Luke Warm
09-12-2012, 05:31 PM
I concur wholeheartedly! If my memory serves me correctly, there seemed to be much more heat in the feuds between Harley Race and Ric Flair than in anything going on today (even though outside the ring, the two were friends--but that wasn't known at the time because of kayfabe).

Harley, Ric, Dusty Rhodes, etc., all had this air about them that made you believe they could, and possibly would, beat the crap out of you at any given moment if they felt like it. I rarely get that impression from anyone I see wrestling anymore...none of them really seem that tough.

Don't get me wrong, I love CM Punk, and some of the newer wrestlers in the WWE that have come up from the indie circuits, but they still don't have the same aura about them that some of the wrestlers did back in the day.

The internet is what ruined wrestling. The last time I was genuinely surprised was Lex Luger appearing on the first Nitro, cuz he was in WWF not even 2 weeks before that. Wrestling rumor sites weren't really around then. That's why its so predictable now cuz people IN the companies are always leaking shit.

Reaper16
09-12-2012, 06:39 PM
The internet is what ruined wrestling. The last time I was genuinely surprised was Lex Luger appearing on the first Nitro, cuz he was in WWF not even 2 weeks before that. Wrestling rumor sites weren't really around then. That's why its so predictable now cuz people IN the companies are always leaking shit.

Nah. It's predictable because the writing is safe.

Bowser
09-12-2012, 06:40 PM
Nah. It's predictable because the writing is safe.

That to go along with the headliners are pretty much the same as they were 15+ years ago.

Luke Warm
09-12-2012, 06:50 PM
Nah. It's predictable because the writing is safe.

Yea the writing nowadays with this damn PG era bullshit. But even with the internet during the "Attitude/nWo" era, there were some good surprises (outsiders invasion, Rick rude being on raw and Nitro THE SAME WEEK lol)

Luke Warm
09-12-2012, 06:57 PM
That to go along with the headliners are pretty much the same as they were 15+ years ago.

They are starting to get better with this tho, you gotta give them that. Ziggler, Rhodes, Punk, Miz, Sin Cara, Cesaro, Ryback, Sandow...all have been getting good pushes.

I hate the crowds chanting Goldberg for Ryback. Aside from his build and bald head they are NOTHING alike. Yea their matches have the same formula but definitely have different movesets. Then those same people will chant "Feed Me More" at the end. Make up your damn minds.

NJChiefsFan
09-12-2012, 07:16 PM
Nah. It's predictable because the writing is safe.

They really are bad. The biggest fail they have is never using history to please the older fans. Look at what the Kane segment where he talks about his past got a few weeks ago. I will say I think it's better than it was three yrs ago. They try a little more, although they are still hardly trying w hen they put out these stories.

Luke Warm
09-12-2012, 07:19 PM
And Lindas damn senate run doesn't help any either, we got the PG era cuz of this.

NJChiefsFan
09-12-2012, 07:25 PM
And Lindas damn senate run doesn't help any either, we got the PG era cuz of this.

Hopefully one more failed election will dull her spirit.

Luke Warm
09-12-2012, 07:26 PM
Hopefully one more failed election will dull her spirit.

Fingers and toes crossed

otherstar
09-13-2012, 09:44 AM
They are starting to get better with this tho, you gotta give them that. Ziggler, Rhodes, Punk, Miz, Sin Cara, Cesaro, Ryback, Sandow...all have been getting good pushes.

I hate the crowds chanting Goldberg for Ryback. Aside from his build and bald head they are NOTHING alike. Yea their matches have the same formula but definitely have different movesets. Then those same people will chant "Feed Me More" at the end. Make up your damn minds.

I have to admit that I like Daniel Bryan. Even though he's not real big, he's got good in-ring skills and he's funny!

Anyone ever listen to the Art of Wrestling Podcast? It's done by 2-time NWA World Champion, indie wrestler, and good friend of CM Punk: Cold Cobana...it's really interesting.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 12:19 PM
Any fucks given?

Swanman
09-13-2012, 02:13 PM
I have to admit that I like Daniel Bryan. Even though he's not real big, he's got good in-ring skills and he's funny!

Anyone ever listen to the Art of Wrestling Podcast? It's done by 2-time NWA World Champion, indie wrestler, and good friend of CM Punk: Cold Cobana...it's really interesting.

If you like the WWE version of Daniel Bryan, check out his work in Ring of Honor as Bryan Danielson (his real name) if you haven't already. He would routinely wrestle 30-45 minute matches, especially as ROH champion, and ended up using about 75 different finishers. I am still pissed that he doesn't use Cattle Mutilation as his finisher in WWE.

Colt Cabana is a pretty funny dude and a really good wrestler. He was front row when Punk beat Cena the night he "left" the company. Ace Steel, who trained both Cabana and Punk, was in the front row with Colt as well that night.

Luke Warm
09-13-2012, 02:36 PM
Any ****s given?

Fuck you.

There's one for you:thumb:

King_Chief_Fan
09-13-2012, 03:12 PM
I had no idea so many people follow fake acts

BigCatDaddy
09-13-2012, 03:23 PM
I had no idea so many people follow fake acts

Yep and a whole subforum dedicated to it.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=2

listopencil
09-13-2012, 03:50 PM
I had no idea so many people follow fake acts

It's as fake as a TV show, a movie, a play, a ballet or a trip to the circus. They do, however, really get injured. They occasionally die from their injuries. They also suffer from real medical conditions like heart attacks.

otherstar
09-13-2012, 03:58 PM
If you like the WWE version of Daniel Bryan, check out his work in Ring of Honor as Bryan Danielson (his real name) if you haven't already. He would routinely wrestle 30-45 minute matches, especially as ROH champion, and ended up using about 75 different finishers. I am still pissed that he doesn't use Cattle Mutilation as his finisher in WWE.

Colt Cabana is a pretty funny dude and a really good wrestler. He was front row when Punk beat Cena the night he "left" the company. Ace Steel, who trained both Cabana and Punk, was in the front row with Colt as well that night.

I have. Those ROH guys are great! (I love indie wrestling).

Yeah, he is! I'd love to see him get another WWE shot with decent push...I think he and CM Punk would put on one hell of a program! I remember that (the high five to an "unknown fan" lol) and CM Punk giving Colt a shout-out during one of his promos as well.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 04:09 PM
It's as fake as a TV show, a movie, a play, a ballet or a trip to the circus. They do, however, really get injured. They occasionally die from their injuries. They also suffer from real medical conditions like heart attacks.You know TV, movies, etc. are scripted.

They don't try to pass themselves off as real.

I watch the WWF when I was a kid.

I have HATED it for yrs now.

To each his own.

beach tribe
09-13-2012, 04:13 PM
Yup. It's been that way ever since television and consolidation killed off the territories system.

Before, a wrestler could succeed with a shallow gimmick. No need to develop his character through many, many storylines because once he ran through his character in one territory he could then go to a different territory -- where no fans knew about you -- and go through the same story over again against a different opponent.

When the territories died off, wrestles needed to constantly keep their gimmicks fresh. Thus, increased time spent on the mic, developing new stories outside of ring-work.
Back When I used to watch, I liked the talking as much as the wrestling. Stone Cold was gold on the mike. The Rock was great. The NWO was great story.
I've tried to watch, but it's just not the same. IMO.

I stopped on it the other day and saw "The Miz" and was like Wow. Things certainly have changed.

On a side note, I watched Jerry the King lawler knock a guy out COLD. For REAL during a charity football game in Memphis TN when I was about 8 years old. 1988.The guy did something that pissed him off. He was playing DT, and after one play he knocked the shit out of a guy, and you could tell he wished he hadn't done it. He tried to help the guy up, and was apologizing to everyone.

listopencil
09-13-2012, 04:21 PM
You know TV, movies, etc. are scripted.

They don't try to pass themselves off as real.

I watch the WWF when I was a kid.

I have HATED it for yrs now.

To each his own.

Yes, they do, during the performance. In the same way that the wrestling shows do. The latest Batman movie is a great example of that...unless you believe that Batman is real?

BigCatDaddy
09-13-2012, 04:24 PM
Yes, they do, during the performance. In the same way that the wrestling shows do. The latest Batman movie is a great example of that...unless you believe that Batman is real?

They really don't try to pretend it's real and they are the actual characters like they used to.

listopencil
09-13-2012, 04:27 PM
They really don't try to pretend it's real and they are the actual characters like they used to.

I know, it used to be a lot more fun.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 04:34 PM
Yes, they do, during the performance. In the same way that the wrestling shows do. The latest Batman movie is a great example of that...unless you believe that Batman is real?

Its television, you know its not real.

Whereas wrestling will like to have you think its a real sport.

Its nothing more than a horribly written script, performed by lousy-acting, athletic-looking people.

My nephews, 5 and 8, LOVE it. That says a lot.

If you like, cool. Continue watching.

durtyrute
09-13-2012, 04:40 PM
Yes, they do, during the performance. In the same way that the wrestling shows do. The latest Batman movie is a great example of that...unless you believe that Batman is real?

Batman isn't real? Ya know what fuck this shit. First Santa now this.

Stanley Nickels
09-13-2012, 04:53 PM
http://i.imgur.com/t8t53.jpg

listopencil
09-13-2012, 04:59 PM
Its television, you know its not real.

Whereas wrestling will like to have you think its a real sport.

Its nothing more than a horribly written script, performed by lousy-acting, athletic-looking people.

My nephews, 5 and 8, LOVE it. That says a lot.

If you like, cool. Continue watching.

Nah. I stopped watching it maybe a decade ago. I never found it entertaining enough to actually pay to watch on TV, and the broadcast stuff just turned to crap. I'm not going to bag on people who do watch (I know you weren't either), but I agree with your current assessment. I'm just saying that pro wrestling is asking you to suspend your disbelief in the same way that other entertainment producers do. They're just incredibly campy about it. That's cool though. To me the joke has always been part of it.

Planetman
09-13-2012, 05:09 PM
Its television, you know its not real.

Whereas wrestling will like to have you think its a real sport.
:facepalm:

It's called "Sports Entertainment" these days and WWE has openly acknowledged it's not real for YEARS.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 06:30 PM
:facepalm:

It's called "Sports Entertainment" these days and WWE has openly acknowledged it's not real for YEARS.

The word 'sport' should not be anywhere near it.

Planetman
09-13-2012, 07:01 PM
The word 'sport' should not be anywhere near it.
There's lots of "sports" that require less physical activity than what you see inside a squared circle. See also golf.

NJChiefsFan
09-13-2012, 07:04 PM
Its television, you know its not real.

Whereas wrestling will like to have you think its a real sport.

Its nothing more than a horribly written script, performed by lousy-acting, athletic-looking people.

My nephews, 5 and 8, LOVE it. That says a lot.

If you like, cool. Continue watching.

I'm not sure I agree with your point about it being a different kind of "pretending to be real". The only difference is one is live and the other isn't. You know television shows aren't real, but you also know wrestling isn't too. Yeah there is the younger group that thinks so, but for the older group that knows, I don't see much difference between following it versus other scripted shows.

NJChiefsFan
09-13-2012, 07:05 PM
The word 'sport' should not be anywhere near it.

Thats fine but what the WWE calls itself and what fans think of it are two different things. From an adult fans perspective, its a scripted show like most others on TV.

Reaper16
09-13-2012, 07:26 PM
Pro Wrestling hasn't tried to pass itself off as real since literally the 1980's, Dave.

MOhillbilly
09-13-2012, 07:29 PM
Nah. I stopped watching it maybe a decade ago. I never found it entertaining enough to actually pay to watch on TV, and the broadcast stuff just turned to crap. I'm not going to bag on people who do watch (I know you weren't either), but I agree with your current assessment. I'm just saying that pro wrestling is asking you to suspend your disbelief in the same way that other entertainment producers do. They're just incredibly campy about it. That's cool though. To me the joke has always been part of it.
Traded my soul to watch wrestle mania I.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 07:49 PM
There's lots of "sports" that require less physical activity than what you see inside a squared circle. See also golf.

Sport is competitive.

It can't be competitive if the outcome is predetermined.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 07:51 PM
I'm probably completely out of touch when it comes to today's wrestling.

:)

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 07:54 PM
Thats fine but what the WWE calls itself and what fans think of it are two different things. From an adult fans perspective, its a scripted show like most others on TV.

What little I've seen of it lately reminds me of these reality 'talent' shows.

Reaper16
09-13-2012, 08:11 PM
What little I've seen of it lately reminds me of these reality 'talent' shows.

Can you point me towards the talent shows where incredible athletes are performing elaborate, improvised combat acting? Cuz I'd tune in.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 08:19 PM
Can you point me towards the talent shows where incredible athletes are performing elaborate, improvised combat acting? Cuz I'd tune in.

Not performances, just the fanfare that surrounds it.

I just don't care for any of it.

I only see this when I visit my brother and my nephew is watching.

Fruit Ninja
09-13-2012, 08:22 PM
That shit is very competitive, them dudes compete to the fullest, but they arent competing to win a match, they are competing to look good doing what they do inside the ring.

BigRock
09-13-2012, 08:26 PM
YAY KING

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Luke Warm
09-13-2012, 08:44 PM
"You know wrestling is not real, right?"

Whenever someone says that I want to rip their face off. No shit, I watch it because it entertains me. And yea, I know its scripted and predetermined but its still dangerous. Injuries happen all the time. Why do you think so many wrestlers die via "the wrestlers concoction (alcohol and painkillers)". I'd like to see one of you "wrestling is fake" people and see if you could last 3 days in a pro wrestling school. The bumps are real. Yea the ring has some padding but that only cushions so much. All those constant standing bumps, top rope bumps, bumps outside, chair shots, blading (outside of WWE), etc...day in day out for about 300-320 days out of the year will take its toll on anyone. You gotta give these guys a little respect.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 09:56 PM
"You know wrestling is not real, right?"

Whenever someone says that I want to rip their face off. No shit, I watch it because it entertains me. And yea, I know its scripted and predetermined but its still dangerous. Injuries happen all the time. Why do you think so many wrestlers die via "the wrestlers concoction (alcohol and painkillers)". I'd like to see one of you "wrestling is fake" people and see if you could last 3 days in a pro wrestling school. The bumps are real. Yea the ring has some padding but that only cushions so much. All those constant standing bumps, top rope bumps, bumps outside, chair shots, blading (outside of WWE), etc...day in day out for about 300-320 days out of the year will take its toll on anyone. You gotta give these guys a little respect.

tl;dr

Luke Warm
09-13-2012, 10:01 PM
tl;dr

What's this mean?

MOhillbilly
09-13-2012, 10:06 PM
Maybe they like booze and pills cause it makes them high? A steady dose of whiskey and norcos will make you feel like a freight train.

Deberg_1990
09-13-2012, 10:07 PM
"You know wrestling is not real, right?"

Whenever someone says that I want to rip their face off. No shit, I watch it because it entertains me. And yea, I know its scripted and predetermined but its still dangerous. Injuries happen all the time. Why do you think so many wrestlers die via "the wrestlers concoction (alcohol and painkillers)". I'd like to see one of you "wrestling is fake" people and see if you could last 3 days in a pro wrestling school. The bumps are real. Yea the ring has some padding but that only cushions so much. All those constant standing bumps, top rope bumps, bumps outside, chair shots, blading (outside of WWE), etc...day in day out for about 300-320 days out of the year will take its toll on anyone. You gotta give these guys a little respect.

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BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 10:22 PM
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:LOL:

Luke Warm
09-13-2012, 10:23 PM
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Absolutely hilarious. NEVER seen this before. You are so original.

I'd like to wrap my cock around your neck...get erect...and anaconda the life out of you.

LOL. Seriously tho, you're stupid.

ChiefAshhole20
09-13-2012, 10:26 PM
Weirdo

Phobia
09-13-2012, 10:26 PM
Oh, you're such a funny man, Deberg. FunnyBerg. Hilarious. So funny funny funny.

Luke Warm
09-13-2012, 10:30 PM
Oh, you're such a funny man, Deberg. FunnyBerg. Hilarious. So funny funny funny.

This guy knows funny.

Phobia
09-13-2012, 10:30 PM
Can you point me towards the talent shows where incredible athletes are performing elaborate, improvised combat acting? Cuz I'd tune in.

What? Combat acting? LMAO I love these threads and I'm rarely surprised at the jokers who watch this shit. But this one is moderately surprising. I really thought Reaper at least was somewhat discerning.

listopencil
09-13-2012, 10:40 PM
Traded my soul to watch wrestle mania I.


Check this out:

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NJChiefsFan
09-13-2012, 11:07 PM
Not performances, just the fanfare that surrounds it.

I just don't care for any of it.

I only see this when I visit my brother and my nephew is watching.

I understand why people would be turned off by wrestling, but I just don't think that the show trying to pretend its real during the show is the issue I can agree with.

The show is more towards kids now, and has lost a lot of older viewers because of it. I know my friends and I watch it while playing Madden ect. I enjoy it, I don't mind saying that. Some of it is more so from enjoying how bad it is an a funny way, but of course there are story lines I enjoy.

What? Combat acting? LMAO I love these threads and I'm rarely surprised at the jokers who watch this shit. But this one is moderately surprising. I really thought Reaper at least was somewhat discerning.


I think most people have a show that may not be emmy-worth that they watch. Its more about enjoyment, perhaps nostalgia, that keeps some like myself watching. You enjoy watching your guy win like you enjoy somebody on Lost proven right or something like that.

They really don't try to pretend its real aside from trying to protect the integrity of the show much like how nobody on Seinfeld would turn mid scene and say, he this isn't real. In fact, there are plenty of segments where they actually do make comments on it being fake that only kids wouldn't pick up on.

Luke Warm
09-13-2012, 11:51 PM
Update from Lawler himself.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2012-09-10/jerry-lawler-tout-26051951

NJChiefsFan
09-13-2012, 11:55 PM
Update from Lawler himself.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2012-09-10/jerry-lawler-tout-26051951

Even in this circumstance, if thats a TOUT, I am not watching it. I am also assuming it must be good if its from him.

Luke Warm
09-14-2012, 12:24 AM
Even in this circumstance, if thats a TOUT, I am not watching it. I am also assuming it must be good if its from him.

Yea, its a tout. I only watched it because it was him. I don't like these stupid ass touts either.

Reaper16
09-14-2012, 08:08 AM
What? Combat acting? LMAO I love these threads and I'm rarely surprised at the jokers who watch this shit. But this one is moderately surprising. I really thought Reaper at least was somewhat discerning.

I dunno, I just made up that phrase. Stage fighting would work I suppose. It's sort of related to dance, too, but not completely.

I'm very discerning, always. Pro wrestling, done correctly, is beautiful and powerful. They're our modern morality plays, adopting the guise of structured fighting to tell archetypal tales of good vs evil, performed in the round.

digger
09-14-2012, 09:10 AM
What's this mean?

"Too long; didn't read"

Luke Warm
09-14-2012, 09:20 AM
"Too long; didn't read"

Cool. Usually means it was read.

King_Chief_Fan
09-14-2012, 10:18 AM
Update from Lawler himself.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2012-09-10/jerry-lawler-tout-26051951

that looks like proof that it didn't happen.......flat lined for 20 minutes and he is posing for a photo...get out of here with this fake BS

CoMoChief
09-14-2012, 11:02 AM
Is wrestling scripted? Of course it is. Yes, many moves are fake and the outcomes and storylines are scripted before hand. These guys live a hectic schedule. Wrestling 300 out of the 365 days a year. It's different now because WWE bought out their competition (WCW/ECW) and they now have different rosters on each show, but during the Attitude era it used to be that the entire roster would appear on both shows. You had Sunday Night Heat, Monday Night Raw, and Smackdown taped on Tuesdays, but was aired on Thursdays. So there's 3 days in a row where these wrestlers would have to perform top notch at a high level for millions TV viewers. This isn't even counting the house shows/dark matches that aren't even aired on TV. Sometimes WWE will make a pit stop through a small college town (like Columbia, MO - they've performed house shows many times at the Hearnes Center), and will perform matches that have absolutely nothing to do w/ the soap opera storylines we see on TV. Point is these guys have more hectic schedules than any other professional sports athletes I can think of. If you get a badly sprained ankle on Sunday Night Heat, but need to be good to go the following night for Monday Night Raw, guess what? You pop shit loads of pain pills and drug yourself to the point where you can't feel anything. Combine that with the rockstar type lifestyle, the partying, the booze, the juicing, and it's no wonder many of these pro wrestling stars die in their 50's.

But most of these guys are in incredible shape.....juicing or not. You have to be VERY athletic to perform some of the moves they do on the mat. And many of them get hurt, bumps, bruises, cuts, broken bones, strained muscles, tears in ligaments, etc. Not to mention it's very tiring, and the slightest wrong move could result in serious permanent injury.

Have you guys ever been in a wrestling ring? I have, had an old roomate when I lived in CoMo that used to drive down to Eldon 2x/week to practice/train. He always wanted to get in a ring, and convinced me to come down and try it out one weekend. Went to the Harley Race wrestling camp, owned by Reid Flair and Mike Dibiase. Names sound familiar? They happen to be the sons of Ric Flair and the Ted "Million Dollar Man" Dibiase.

First you have to get your body into condition to where it can take a beating. The first night after a day-long training session I came home and was black/blue all over and was sore as hell for the next week. Now obviously my body wasn't used to such physical punishment. But regardless these guys don't **** around. And many of them are stronger than an ox. It doesn't feel too good getting bodyslammed and it sure as hell doesn't feel good when a 250lb monster jumps and lands on you from the top rope, even if you only get landed on just a little bit. Many physical aspects of pro wrestling is very real.


Switching gears here for a moment....

The scripted parts are usually the storylines (obviously) and who wins the match. Pro wrestling has gotten so bad with this PG WWE shit. Horrible character development. No wrestlers (other than the guys left over from the attitude era) are larger than life stars. You can make the argument for John Cena, but he even sucks in his own right. Almost everyone who followed pro wrestling closely throughout the Attitude era thinks Cena is a douchebag. You could have Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Shaemus, or Alberto Del Rio walk through an international airport and they might be recognized by a few WWE fans, mostly would probably be younger kids. I remember watching Raw for the first time in like 6-7 years since like 2003. These guys started coming out on stage and I'm just sitting here thinking "Who the **** are these turds?" Take someone like HHH, Undertaker, or esp The Rock, and you could have them walk into an Oak Grove Walmart and everyone would immediately know who those guys are. It's gotten so bad I stopped watching it. Even The Rock is no longer The Rock anymore. He's Dwayne "Twitter ****ass" Johnson and doesn't talk in 3rd person any longer. The last funny moment he had was when he was on the Boston Harbor bridge making fun of Cena's merchandise.

ok i'm done ranting....

otherstar
09-14-2012, 03:38 PM
What CoMoChief said!

BigMeatballDave
09-14-2012, 04:06 PM
Update from Lawler himself.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2012-09-10/jerry-lawler-tout-26051951

Complete Bullshit.

People that age who have major heart attacks and 'die' for 20 minutes don't look that well.

Reaper16
09-14-2012, 04:28 PM
Complete Bullshit.

People that age who have major heart attacks and 'die' for 20 minutes don't look that well.

You're logically inconsistent. Either wrestling is, as you said earlier in the thread, full of bad actors, OR wrestling has convincing enough actors to trick everyone but you into thinking that Lawler's heart-attack was staged. It can't be both, Dave.

(and if the "dead for 20-minutes" thing is bothering you, that was never verified by any official source and as such isn't part of any record of what happened. It's certainly not something that Lawler or WWE are throwing out there)

Swanman
09-14-2012, 04:38 PM
What? Combat acting? LMAO I love these threads and I'm rarely surprised at the jokers who watch this shit. But this one is moderately surprising. I really thought Reaper at least was somewhat discerning.

What is exactly wrong with watching wrestling? It's like any other guilty pleasure. We don't watch it thinking we will see something that changes our life.

BigMeatballDave
09-14-2012, 05:34 PM
What is exactly wrong with watching wrestling? It's like any other guilty pleasure. We don't watch it thinking we will see something that changes our life.

It just seems childish.

Maybe that's because I watched it as a kid.

Captain Obvious
09-14-2012, 06:52 PM
It just seems childish.

Maybe that's because I watched it as a kid.

Why are you ducking Reaper's post?

NJChiefsFan
09-14-2012, 07:24 PM
Complete Bullshit.

People that age who have major heart attacks and 'die' for 20 minutes don't look that well.

Is that true? I haven't met enough to know, although I feel thinking its a fact is a little bit of a stretch. From everything I have seen in wrestling and how they handled this, it wasn't fake. Not to mention it stops the story line they had going with him. So aside from how they handled it and the hospital saying it was legit, it doesn't make sense to do this even if they wanted to.

BigMeatballDave
09-14-2012, 08:54 PM
Why are you ducking Reaper's post?

Because I missed it earlier. And now I just don't care.

Why do you guys have your panties in a bunch over me talking shit about wrestling?

Pro wrestling is as lame as The Voice or The X Factor.

Garbage TV.

Flame away :D

Planetman
09-14-2012, 11:46 PM
Is that true? I haven't met enough to know, although I feel thinking its a fact is a little bit of a stretch. From everything I have seen in wrestling and how they handled this, it wasn't fake. Not to mention it stops the story line they had going with him. So aside from how they handled it and the hospital saying it was legit, it doesn't make sense to do this even if they wanted to.
Its actually far from the truth and I speak from extended experience.

NJChiefsFan
09-15-2012, 02:05 AM
Because I missed it earlier. And now I just don't care.

Why do you guys have your panties in a bunch over me talking shit about wrestling?

Pro wrestling is as lame as The Voice or The X Factor.

Garbage TV.

Flame away :D

I don't think that most of us have our panties in a bunch. Most of us understand its not the greatest quality show on TV. It is what it is. Most people have one or two shows that they know aren't the most decorated or high quality but the enjoy them anyway for whatever reason.