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Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:35 PM
Its never to early to cash it in on the Chiefs season. Knowing Crennel isnt qualified to be a HC with his "7-11 why cover a TE defense" and we all know Cassel isnt the answer at QB. Who would you replace those two with?


So the purpose of this excercise is to see who you think would be a good QB/HC combo. The QB's have to be drafted and the HC has to be avialable next year to draft said QB.

Once we get 10 combos, we will create a poll. We will vote to see what two would be the best option to build this franchise around.

EDIT: by popular demand, who would you want to be the GM of your HC/QB combo.

Get ready, set, go!!!!!

GM/HC/QB combos
Eric DeCosta/Jon Gruden/Geno Smith
Eric DeCosta/Sean Peyton/Matt Barkley (Assuming Peyton gets fired)
Eric DeCosta/Josh McDaniels/Brian Hoyer
Eric DeCosta/Robert Chudzinski/Tyler Wilson
Eric DeCosta/Andy Reid/Tyler Wilson
Eric DeCosta/Mike Zimmer/Matt Barkley
Eric DeCosta/Vic Fangio/Geno Smith
Eric DeCosta/Mike McCoy/Geno Smith

Ace Gunner
09-12-2012, 12:36 PM
Jon Gruden:D

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 12:37 PM
Jon Gruden:D

Fuck that guy.

Seriously? JFC.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:37 PM
Jon Gruden:D

And?

Did you read the OP?

Who would you want him to draft and why?

Why those two?

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 12:38 PM
Sean Payton/Matt Barkley

There is a good chance that Payton is fired, especially if the Saints win in the playoffs this year. Matt Barkley has shown the ability and character to lead an NFL team deep into the playoffs.

He and Payton could be a lethal combo for years to come.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:39 PM
Sean Payton/Matt Barkley

Payton available next year?

-King-
09-12-2012, 12:39 PM
Sean Payton/Matt Barkley

The Saints are going to fire him?

Ace Gunner
09-12-2012, 12:40 PM
And?

Did you read the OP?

Who would you want him to draft and why?

Why those two?

Geno Smith, dawg. Gru would turn Smith into an instant success. Those two could do some damage in the NFL.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 12:40 PM
The Saints are going to fire him?

If the Saints win big this year, yes, I believe they'll fire Payton. Why pay him $7 million per year when you can pay a guy $3.5 million for similar results?

Rausch
09-12-2012, 12:41 PM
Bill Cowher/1ST round QB...

-King-
09-12-2012, 12:41 PM
It's going to be funny when Reerun flip flops on Romeo AGAIN this season. LMAO

Sorter
09-12-2012, 12:42 PM
Head Coaching possibilities: Mike Zimmer, Chud from Carolina,

QBs: Barkley, Wilson, Bray, Smith, Thomas, and Murray.

Ace Gunner
09-12-2012, 12:42 PM
If the Saints win big this year, yes, I believe they'll fire Payton. Why pay him $7 million per year when you can pay a guy $3.5 million for similar results?

ROFL are you on something.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 12:43 PM
Bill Cowher/1ST round QB...

Joking?

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 12:43 PM
ROFL are you on something.

You're a fucking idiot. Do you know ANYTHING about the Saint's hierarchy and ownership and who is really running that team?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:43 PM
It's going to be funny when Reerun flip flops on Romeo AGAIN this season. LMAO

Uh, when have I flipped to liking him as our HC?

saphojunkie
09-12-2012, 12:44 PM
**** that guy.

Seriously? JFC.

He built a super bowl team in Oakland, then got fired. The team he built met the team he took over in the Super Bowl.

And he won.

That said - no head coach - NOT A SINGLE ONE - has ever won a super bowl with two different franchises.

Any chance there's a third Harbaugh floating around anywhere?

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:44 PM
Head Coaching possibilities: Mike Zimmer, Chud from Carolina,

QBs: Barkley, Wilson, Bray, Smith, Thomas, and Murray.

So which ones?

Make a choice.

htismaqe
09-12-2012, 12:44 PM
I'd like to see an offensive coach with a west coast bent - not necessarily Gruden but someone like him maybe.

Combine that with Gino Smith and you're looking at finally being at the crest of the NFL wave of innovation rather than caught in the riptide and drowning.

Rausch
09-12-2012, 12:44 PM
Joking?

1) Always been a Cowher fan.

2) Saying his name is like giving you catnip...:evil:

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:45 PM
1) Always been a Cowher fan.

2) Saying his name is like giving you catnip...:evil:

Cowher and Cassel would be perfect for each other.... Neither belong in the NFL.

Ace Gunner
09-12-2012, 12:46 PM
You're a ****ing idiot.

How is the fruitcake forecast in socal today, fruitcake?

saphojunkie
09-12-2012, 12:46 PM
You're a ****ing idiot. Do you know ANYTHING about the Saint's hierarchy and ownership and who is really running that team?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think there is any remote possibility of Sean Payton getting fired. He and Drew Brees ARE the Saints right now.

-King-
09-12-2012, 12:47 PM
Uh, when have I flipped to liking him as our HC?


BTW, you still hate Romeo?

No. Over it.

LMAO

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:48 PM
LMAO

Still dont want him coaching this team... No need to hate the guy.

BoneKrusher
09-12-2012, 12:49 PM
anyone But RAC and Cassel.

-King-
09-12-2012, 12:49 PM
Thankfully Romeo is in charge, I want to apologize to him.

Oh God LMAO LMAO

saphojunkie
09-12-2012, 12:51 PM
My choice:

Josh McDaniels/Brian Hoyer.

Clay cuts off own dick, bleeds out.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:51 PM
Oh God LMAO LMAO

yeah a moment of stupid on my part....


Thanks for bringing that up.

Sorter
09-12-2012, 12:54 PM
So which ones?

Make a choice.

Personally, I think Zimmer and Chud would be fantastic choices that could make their respective sides of the ball elite her in KC. I'd prefer Chud slightly, because I know he would want his own QB and thus end the Cassel experiment. Zimmer would be interesting because of his ability to get DTs (Geno Atkins) to produce in pass rushing situations (good for Poe as Zimmer would probably have us switch to a 1-gap 3-4 instead of converting us to a 4-3, at least for a few years).

The QB I want the most is Wilson, followed closely by Barkley, then Bray who won't be coming out this year). If Bray has a solid season and can stay healthy, then he would probably leapfrog the other two. I do think that all 3 can enjoy success in the NFL.

Sorter
09-12-2012, 12:54 PM
My choice:

Josh McDaniels/Brian Hoyer.

Clay cuts off own dick, bleeds out.

ROFLROFLROFL

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 12:55 PM
Personally, I think Zimmer and Chud would be fantastic choices that could make their respective sides of the ball elite her in KC. I'd prefer Chud slightly, because I know he would want his own QB and thus end the Cassel experiment. Zimmer would be interesting because of his ability to get DTs (Geno Atkins) to produce in pass rushing situations (good for Poe as Zimmer would probably have us switch to a 1-gap 3-4 instead of converting us to a 4-3, at least for a few years).

The QB I want the most is Wilson, followed closely by Barkley, then Bray who won't be coming out this year). If Bray has a solid season and can stay healthy, then he would probably leapfrog the other two. I do think that all 3 can enjoy success in the NFL.

Chud and Wilson?

Lightrise
09-12-2012, 12:55 PM
Geno Smith and Jon Gruden...its perfect.

suds79
09-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Andy Reid & Tyler Wilson (or Tyler Bray).

Reid is known for making something out of QBs.

lcarus
09-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Fuck that guy.

Seriously? JFC.

As much as I think Jesus F. Christ would be a great head coach, I'm just concerned if he'll throw the game if we play the Jets in the playoffs.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Eric Mangina / Curtis Painter

LOL, This is stupid...

boogblaster
09-12-2012, 12:56 PM
gruden .. anybody but the three we got .....

Sorter
09-12-2012, 01:03 PM
I mean, gun to my head, yes. I'd be happy with any combination of those I listed though.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 01:06 PM
Eric Mangina / Curtis Painter

LOL, This is stupid...

What is more stupid is your lack of reading comprehension regarding the OP...

Doorknob.

ChiefsandO'sfan
09-12-2012, 01:08 PM
Can we add GM?

Sorter
09-12-2012, 01:09 PM
For shits and giggles Reerun, I'll add Zimmer/Barkley to the poll since plenty think we're shitty enough to start 0-5. If we start 0-5, we're drafting #1 overall.

milkman
09-12-2012, 01:14 PM
Can we add GM?

This.

I would still anything necessary to pry Eric DeCosta away from Baltimore.

Sorter
09-12-2012, 01:15 PM
This.

I would still anything necessary to pry Eric DeCosta away from Baltimore.

^^^^This. Fuck, I will personally donate money if this happens.

TEX
09-12-2012, 01:16 PM
Its never to early to cash it in on the Chiefs season. Knowing Crennel isnt qualified to be a HC with his "7-11 why cover a TE defense" and we all know Cassel isnt the answer at QB. Who would you replace those two with?


So the purpose of this excercise is to see who you think would be a good QB/HC combo. The QB's have to be drafted and the HC has to be avialable next year to draft said QB.

Once we get 10 combos, we will create a poll. We will vote to see what two would be the best option to build this franchise around.


Get ready, set, go!!!!!

HC/QB combos
Jon Gruden/Geno Smith
Sean Peyton/Matt Barkley (Assuming Peyton gets fired)
Josh McDaniels/Brian Hoyer
Robert Chudzinski/Tyler Wilson
Andy Reid/Tyler Wilson
Mike Zimmer/Matt Barkley

Gotta include GM. It's time. This one thinks Cassel is good. THAT shows what he is capable of...

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-12-2012, 01:16 PM
Herm Edwards/DownFieldBigGame Huard

SNR
09-12-2012, 01:16 PM
Don't care about the coach. Just get a first round QB in here for the love of God

Preferably Geno Smith.

SNR
09-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Herm Edwards/DownFieldBigGame Huard

Paul Hackett/Elvis Grbac

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Why would Peyton get fired?

Deberg_1990
09-12-2012, 01:18 PM
Heh, I brought this up a little last week…but how about Gruden/Cassel ?

Cassel has similar skillsets to Gannon and Brad Johnson.

jd1020
09-12-2012, 01:18 PM
Think coaches get too much credit.

Give me a new, quality, QB to root for and I wont care.

Ceej
09-12-2012, 01:19 PM
I'm on the Logan Thomas bandwagon.

No clue as far as HC goes.

ChiTown
09-12-2012, 01:19 PM
I'd have less of a problem with Romeo as HC, if he'd keep his fucking nose out of the Defense while trying to be the HC. Hire a gawdman DC already, and you worry about coordinating the Team. Why Pioli thinks this is a good idea is beyond me.

Sorter
09-12-2012, 01:20 PM
Vic Fangio/Geno Smith?

milkman
09-12-2012, 01:20 PM
I said it at the time that he was hired that I give props to Clark Hunt for luring the most sought after GM candidate in the league at the time, and for several years prior, to KC, that I would rather have Eric DeCosta, and I would even rather have promoted Bill Kuharich, as long as Herman fucking Edwards was retained.

I didn't like Scott Pioli coming in.

Mr_Tomahawk
09-12-2012, 01:22 PM
Chud+Wilson=JIMP

milkman
09-12-2012, 01:23 PM
Heh, I brought this up a little last week…but how about Gruden/Cassel ?

Cassel has similar skillsets to Gannon and Brad Johnson.

Gannon and Johnson, while limited physically, were far more advanced mentally.

milkman
09-12-2012, 01:23 PM
Vic Fangio/Geno Smith?

I'm on board.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 01:24 PM
Updated, need some GMs on the already entered combos

SNR
09-12-2012, 01:25 PM
I said it at the time that he was hired that I give props to Clark Hunt for luring the most sought after GM candidate in the league at the time, and for several years prior, to KC, that I would rather have Eric DeCosta, and I would even rather have promoted Bill Kuharich, as long as Herman fucking Edwards was retained.

I didn't like Scott Pioli coming in.

I was a huge fan of keeping Bill Kuharich. It would have been one of the most unpopular decisions among the fans since Clark would be hiring from in-house, but Kuharich made plenty of mistakes and learned from them as the Saints GM. He had years' worth of connections, a great eye for talent, and even a little bit of experience to boot.

Sorter
09-12-2012, 01:27 PM
GMs would be Eric DeCosta. Period. That's it.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-12-2012, 01:28 PM
This.

I would still anything necessary to pry Eric DeCosta away from Baltimore.

He would be my choice to. Ozzie Newsome is the best.

milkman
09-12-2012, 01:29 PM
Here's a guy that intrigues me.

Mike McCoy.

The way he has been able to adapt to so many different situations in Denver, on the fly, over the last 3 years is really impressive.

McCoy/Geno Smith

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 01:31 PM
Look about right?

durtyrute
09-12-2012, 01:31 PM
Romeo and the first round QB we already have.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-12-2012, 01:32 PM
Ferentz/Stanzi :)

Sorter
09-12-2012, 01:33 PM
Here's a guy that intrigues me.

Mike McCoy.

The way he has been able to adapt to so many different situations in Denver, on the fly, over the last 3 years is really impressive.

McCoy/Geno Smith

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/263/057/c5b.gif

The ability to completely change from Tebow to Peyton definitely has my interest.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 01:37 PM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/263/057/c5b.gif

The ability to completely change from Tebow to Peyton definitely has my interest.
Not sure PManning needs an OC.... But not a bad choice

SNR
09-12-2012, 01:37 PM
Here's a guy that intrigues me.

Mike McCoy.

The way he has been able to adapt to so many different situations in Denver, on the fly, over the last 3 years is really impressive.

McCoy/Geno Smith

I was really shocked that McCoy did not get any offers from teams looking for head coaches last offseason. He's still a bit inexperienced, but that's the huge trend in hiring an HC these days.

Unless you're the Chiefs, in which case the only reasonable candidate must have been blessed by St. Parcells and his Holy Son Belichrist. That shortens the list to guys that are either way too young or way too old. We went way too old.

Sorter
09-12-2012, 01:38 PM
He had to hep Peyton learn entirely new system/terminology. So far, it seems like he's been effective in that regard.

milkman
09-12-2012, 02:21 PM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/263/057/c5b.gif

The ability to completely change from Tebow to Peyton definitely has my interest.

The more impressive adjustment was the one he made last year, in season, from Orton to TeBow.

The entire playbook chnaged to fit TeBow.

Sorter
09-12-2012, 02:23 PM
True, true. Overall, McCoy has done a fantastic job over there IMO.

mr. tegu
09-12-2012, 03:42 PM
One game into the season...:facepalm:

Reerun_KC
09-12-2012, 03:44 PM
One game into the season...:facepalm:

27 and 40 years counting respectively... Take that facepalm and shove it up your anus...

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 03:45 PM
One game into the season...:facepalm:

Fail

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 03:47 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble Guys, but DeCosta, who I also wanted in 2008 when the King was fired, signed a long term deal with Ravens that pays him like a GM.

He's Newsome's successor and won't be going anywhere.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 03:50 PM
Also, Jon Gruden is the exact opposite of what this team needs in terms of a head coach. He doesn't develop players and only plays veterans, especially veteran QB's. The Raiders have had exactly one winning season after he left and Tampa was left in shambles.

Gruden needs to stay in the booth and far, far away from KC.

suds79
09-12-2012, 03:52 PM
Also, Jon Gruden is the exact opposite of what this team needs in terms of a head coach. He doesn't develop players and only plays veterans, especially veteran QB's..

Yep. That's what I remember. Jon would not want to start a rookie QB.

ILChief
09-12-2012, 03:55 PM
Pioli/Romeo/Barkley or Wilson


This team is too close to start over with a new GM or coach. Get a stud QB and the other two wont matter

HemiEd
09-12-2012, 03:56 PM
Without reading this whole thread, has anyone said Peyton Manning yet?

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 03:58 PM
Tyler Bray.

I'm pretty stupid, but his arm, goddamn.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 04:03 PM
Tyler Bray.

I'm pretty stupid, but his arm, goddamn.

He's a junior and only 20 years old. I just can't see a 21 year old starting in the NFL with any amount of success at the QB position.

suds79
09-12-2012, 04:06 PM
He's a junior and only 20 years old. I just can't see a 21 year old starting in the NFL with any amount of success at the QB position.

Would you trust him more if he was 22?

Just curious to what your cutoff is.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 04:10 PM
In Dane's world it doesn't matter, because a playoff win is likely anyway.

Looking forward to it.

bevischief
09-12-2012, 04:13 PM
anyone But RAC and Cassel.

Agreed.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 04:16 PM
Heh, I brought this up a little last week…but how about Gruden/Cassel ?

Cassel has similar skillsets to Gannon and Brad Johnson.

Lombardi/Cassel wouldn't win anything.

Why the fuck are you wanting Cassel back?

Tuckdaddy
09-12-2012, 04:17 PM
Any coach that will tell Clark to stop listening to Scott. YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD QB!

Dicky McElephant
09-12-2012, 04:18 PM
McCoy/Zimmer/Chudzinski

and

Wilson/Bray/Smith

Chief Roundup
09-12-2012, 04:47 PM
What a Kyle Shannahan at HC?

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 04:49 PM
Would you trust him more if he was 22?

Just curious to what your cutoff is.

It's not a matter of trust, it's a matter of maturity.

I've never seen Tyler Bray but I'd imagine that he would benefit greatly from playing his senior year at Tennessee and coming out in the 2014 draft, where he'd be nearly 22 years old when the NFL season started.

So to answer your question, a least a two year full time starter at a BCS eligible college if he's 21 years old on draft day.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 04:49 PM
What a Kyle Shannahan at HC?

Please no.

Please, please, please.

No.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 04:51 PM
In Dane's world it doesn't matter, because a playoff win is likely anyway.

Looking forward to it.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

:rolleyes:

So Clay, once and for all: Does this team have enough talent to win a playoff game in 2012 - Yes or No?

SNR
09-12-2012, 04:58 PM
What a Kyle Shannahan at HC?

Kyle Shanahan- HC
Brian Schottenheimer- OC
Rob Ryan- DC

Get that Ferentz kid from New England over here, too. We're gonna be the all-star coaches! Only not the all-stars themselves, just their shitty offspring.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 04:59 PM
You said a playoff win was likely.

Those are your words.

I was negative but now I'm positive, because I believe in Dane.

Thanks!

And no, we don't have enough talent. Especially at QB. Hell, a huge part of our "offensive talent" Sunday was practically benched (Baldwin).

mr. tegu
09-12-2012, 04:59 PM
27 and 40 years counting respectively... Take that facepalm and shove it up your anus...

It's one game. The team is on the upswing regardless have how stupid you are going to be.

We need a QB for sure. But not an early exit from college or some other project. Barkley looks good. Anyone else from next season, better step up as much as RG3 did last season. You probably wish we had Tannehill.

mr. tegu
09-12-2012, 05:00 PM
I am a Failure

FYP

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 05:10 PM
FYP

Go fuck yourself with a rusty dildo, Cockbag

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:14 PM
It's one game. The team is on the upswing regardless have how stupid you are going to be.


One game?

This regime has been utterly dominated by the opponent 18 times in 50 games.

SNR
09-12-2012, 05:16 PM
You said a playoff win was likely.

Those are your words.

I was negative but now I'm positive, because I believe in Dane.

Thanks!

And no, we don't have enough talent. Especially at QB. Hell, a huge part of our "offensive talent" Sunday was practically benched (Baldwin).
How would you go about remedying the talent problem? Let's say we finish 4-12, draft in the top 5 and finally get a fucking QB. How would you approach the rest of the draft/offseason?

I see we need safety depth, probably an upgrade over Belcher, DRAMATIC upgrades in all of our LB depth, and.... what? I'm not seeing the rest. What else do we need? If we want to become an elite team we could use more versatile starting defensive linemen than Dorsey and Jackson, but if the solution to that puzzle is to draft more in the first round, fucking forget it. We need to make sure we keep Bowe, I guess. Dunno, could use a rapist at TE?

I really don't see this HUGE list of new players we need to acquire once we get our QB situation figured out.

Oh, and a decent head coach that has this team ready to fucking play football in Week 1 would be great.

SNR
09-12-2012, 05:18 PM
Also, I don't care if Baldwin ends up being the next Charles Rogers. I refuse to so much as fucking TWEAK our WRs until we see how they perform with a real QB.

DaWolf
09-12-2012, 05:19 PM
GMs would be Eric DeCosta. Period. That's it.

He ain't leaving Baltimore. He's made that clear. Not an option...

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:20 PM
There's not a huge list of needs but as long as Cassel is the QB, we are not talented enough.

We need pass rushers, cornerbacks and probably another wide receiver if Baldwin is, in fact, a huge pussy bitch who was being completely overblown in training camp.

Switching to a 1-gap 3-4 will require at least one new defensive end. Hopefully Poe will work out but I'm not optimistic.

Congrats on being unbanned.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 05:21 PM
How would you go about remedying the talent problem? Let's say we finish 4-12, draft in the top 5 and finally get a fucking QB. How would you approach the rest of the draft/offseason?

I see we need safety depth, probably an upgrade over Belcher, DRAMATIC upgrades in all of our LB depth, and.... what? I'm not seeing the rest. What else do we need? If we want to become an elite team we could use more versatile starting defensive linemen than Dorsey and Jackson, but if the solution to that puzzle is to draft more in the first round, fucking forget it. We need to make sure we keep Bowe, I guess. Dunno, could use a rapist at TE?

I really don't see this HUGE list of new players we need to acquire once we get our QB situation figured out.

Oh, and a decent head coach that has this team ready to fucking play football in Week 1 would be great.

The starters that need to be replaced are Cassel, Belcher and Lewis (too fragile and unreliable). The rest are fine.

The Chiefs drafted for running back and offensive line depth this year, have a little depth on the defensive line so really, CB and linebacker are the two positions that need to be addressed.

Anyone that doesn't believe that this roster is better than 2010's roster, or better than any roster since 2003, has telephone pole sized stick up their ass.

Whether Crennel and his staff can capitalize on this talent remains to be seen.

DaWolf
09-12-2012, 05:22 PM
Switching to a 1-gap 3-4 will require at least one new defensive end.

Shouldn't be a problem as Dorsey is a FA and Jackson needs to be restructured or cut, so we could be looking for two new DE's anyway...

KILLER_CLOWN
09-12-2012, 05:24 PM
Bill Walsh/Steve Young out of retirement...Oh wait Carls gone.

mr. tegu
09-12-2012, 05:26 PM
Go fuck yourself with a rusty dildo, Cockbag

Maybe if you and reerun ever stop using it on each other...no I'll pass anyways.

Chocolate Hog
09-12-2012, 05:27 PM
GM Marc Ross

HC Rod Chudzinski

QB Tyler Bray since Barkley will be the first overall pick

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:29 PM
HC Rod Chudzinski


Dislike, unless Cam Newton comes with.

New World Order
09-12-2012, 05:30 PM
Jon Gruden/Any first round QB

mr. tegu
09-12-2012, 05:31 PM
One game?

This regime has been utterly dominated by the opponent 18 times in 50 games.

That's fine and I get what you are saying. But this thread is purely a response to one game as evidenced by the first sentence in the OP.

Its never to early to cash it in on the Chiefs season.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 05:32 PM
Jon Gruden/Any first round QB

LMAO

Why, so he could sit on the bench for 5 years or until Gruden is fired?

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:33 PM
But this thread is purely a response to one game as evidenced by the first sentence in the OP.

No it's not.

We are all tired of the same shit happening over and over and over again.

At this point, occam's razor has slashed this regime's jugular.

Chocolate Hog
09-12-2012, 05:34 PM
Dislike, unless Cam Newton comes with.

Look at what Chud did with Miamis tight ends, Clevelands offense under shitty Crennel, and in Carolina. Dudes a good offensive coach who can develop talent. Ross is intriguing because he's young and has done a great job with the Giants.

It's also realistic given both are a little green that they would come cheap.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:37 PM
Ah, I forgot he coordinated that one good Browns season.

Yeah, maybe.

Chocolate Hog
09-12-2012, 05:38 PM
If the Chiefs were hiring a Gruden I'd rather hire Jay.

mr. tegu
09-12-2012, 05:46 PM
No it's not.

We are all tired of the same shit happening over and over and over again.

At this point, occam's razor has slashed this regime's jugular.

This thread would not exist if we won or even played a close game last week.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 05:48 PM
This thread would not exist if we won or even played a close game last week.

LMAO

Right, n00b.

LMAO

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:48 PM
This thread would not exist if we won or even played a close game last week.

The Fourth Geneva Convention would not exist if Hitler hadn't killed six million Jews.

Chocolate Hog
09-12-2012, 05:49 PM
This thread would not exist if we won or even played a close game last week.

This thread wouldn't have been made year 1 either but the fact is this is year 4 of Pioli and his teams have gotten blown out 3 of the 4 season openers.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:51 PM
The Gang of 14 would not exist if we had actually drafted a fucking franchise QB instead of trading for Cassel.

The Declaration of Independence, MO would not exist if Cassel hadn't fucking sucked ass for 40 games.

SNR
09-12-2012, 05:53 PM
If my grandma had three wheels, she'd be a tricycle

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 05:59 PM
If Matt Cassel had a strong arm, he'd be Elvis Grbac.

SNR
09-12-2012, 06:01 PM
There's not a huge list of needs but as long as Cassel is the QB, we are not talented enough.

We need pass rushers, cornerbacks and probably another wide receiver if Baldwin is, in fact, a huge pussy bitch who was being completely overblown in training camp.

Switching to a 1-gap 3-4 will require at least one new defensive end. Hopefully Poe will work out but I'm not optimistic.

Congrats on being unbanned.
Again, let's say Romeo is really terrible as a head coach and we do the 4-12 thing. We get our QB in Round 1.

I'd be just fine with drafting nothing but DEs, LBs (inside and outside) and a S or two for the rest of the draft. If we want to upgrade some of our starters on offense, I really don't think the draft is going to hold many answers for us. At least not without certainty.

By all means, take the OT he's if he's fucking amazing. Draft the super human athlete of a TE. Get another CB who can do something besides play the fucking slot (Christ can this team please quit drafting fucking slot corners already). Very likely, however, those players won't be drafted to replace our current starters. They're not going to be that amazing, at least not in their rookie years. And we shouldn't assume they will be.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 06:05 PM
If Matt Cassel had a strong arm, he'd be Elvis Grbac.

No, because he's not a selfish prick like Grbac.

Tuckdaddy
09-12-2012, 06:08 PM
Don't care about the coach. Just get a first round QB in here for the love of God

Preferably Geno Smith.

Hell to the yes!

Marcellus
09-12-2012, 06:16 PM
I nominate Claython as GM and HC he already knows everything there is to know about football except how to play it, coach it, or draft.

htismaqe
09-12-2012, 06:18 PM
This thread wouldn't have been made year 1 either but the fact is this is year 4 of Pioli and his teams have gotten blown out 3 of the 4 season openers.

This this and more this.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 06:21 PM
I nominate Claython as GM and HC he already knows everything there is to know about football except how to play it, coach it, or draft.

Actually, I don't know shit.

Because I approved of all the shit Pioli and Haley were doing in year one.

I nominate anyone from The Gang of 14.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-12-2012, 06:26 PM
I would buy tickets and donate them to handicapped children for DeCosta.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-12-2012, 06:27 PM
Josh McDaniel's?

JFC, Reerun.

Bewbies
09-12-2012, 06:36 PM
Bray is in his 3rd season as a starter. I'd take him, and a coach that would change our D to a 1-gap attacking beat the other teams ass defense.

I don't know enough GM candidates to give a good one, but it wouldn't be Pioli or anyone that has ever worked under the Parcells tree Patriot Way bullshit.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 06:41 PM
Bray is in his 3rd season as a starter. I'd take him, and a coach that would change our D to a 1-gap attacking beat the other teams ass defense.



I can't imagine any GM or owner in the league, let alone coach, handing over the reigns of a franchise to a 20 year old.

Can you?

BoneKrusher
09-12-2012, 06:41 PM
I don't know enough GM candidates to give a good one, but it wouldn't be Pioli or anyone that has ever worked under the Parcells tree Patriot Way bullshit.

Yep.
the Chiefs need to be the Best The Chiefs can be and fuck the Patriot Way.

Bewbies
09-12-2012, 06:50 PM
I can't imagine any GM or owner in the league, let alone coach, handing over the reigns of a franchise to a 20 year old.

Can you?

I wouldn't draft a QB for his rookie year. I'd draft him to lead my team for 10-15.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 06:53 PM
I can't imagine any GM or owner in the league, let alone coach, handing over the reigns of a franchise to a 20 year old.

Can you?

April 2013 (draft time), Tyler Bray will be 21 years and 4 months old.

So, pass on him because of eight months? Please.

After this year Bray will have three years of starting experience. He has improved every year and so far is making a quantum leap this year.

http://i.imgur.com/TvUbZ.jpg

The Vols also run a pro-style offense.

He's a great fucking prospect.

9/5/12: Bray had a great start to the season with a huge game against North Carolina State. The junior targeted and abused the nation's top cornerback, David Amerson, with two long touchdown passes. Bray was 27-of-41 for 333 yards and two touchdowns versus the Wolfpack. He showed improved accuracy, field vision and decision-making.

B_Ambuehl
09-12-2012, 07:04 PM
People will laugh but:

GM: Herm Edwards
Coach: Rob Ryan
QB: Anyone not named Casshole

Herm couldn't coach, but the man has an eye for talent and has experience as a player, coach, and working in personnel. I could see him taking on an Ozzie Newsome type role.

With the pieces he has to work with Rob Ryan could get some modern day aggressiveness in this defense and would be entertaining as hell.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-12-2012, 07:05 PM
Um...yeah.

SNR
09-12-2012, 07:07 PM
April 2013 (draft time), Tyler Bray will be 21 years and 4 months old.

So, pass on him because of eight months? Please.

After this year Bray will have three years of starting experience. He has improved every year and so far is making a quantum leap this year.

http://i.imgur.com/TvUbZ.jpg

The Vols also run a pro-style offense.

He's a great fucking prospect.

And after all that has been said, he probably won't even declare for the draft this year if he's not going to be #1 overall.

Bewbies
09-12-2012, 07:08 PM
And after all that has been said, he probably won't even declare for the draft this year if he's not going to be #1 overall.

All my friends that are die hard Vols fans say he's a hothead and they expect him to declare. FWIW

Chocolate Hog
09-12-2012, 07:11 PM
All my friends that are die hard Vols fans say he's a hothead and they expect him to declare. FWIW

I'll get crucified for this but isn't a hothead QB not a good thing?

pimpchief
09-12-2012, 07:11 PM
I pick keep pioli promote daboll Tyler Wilson.

vailpass
09-12-2012, 07:12 PM
My choice:

Josh McDaniels/Brian Hoyer.

Clay cuts off own dick, bleeds out.

LMAO I laughed.

Bewbies
09-12-2012, 07:17 PM
I'll get crucified for this but isn't a hothead QB not a good thing?

Big Ben is a rapist and he's good... :evil:

I tend to think the humble QB is a rarity. Especially the immature kid who's been a star his whole life...

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 07:20 PM
April 2013 (draft time), Tyler Bray will be 21 years and 4 months old.

So, pass on him because of eight months? Please.



You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and don't even follow college football.

You'd be a fucking fool to turn your franchise over to a 20 year old kid. I can't see any owner, GM or coach doing this for Tyler Bray.

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 07:24 PM
He'll be 21 years, 4 months.

When the 2013 season begins, he'll be 3 months shy of 22 years old.

How is that, in any way, 20 years old? LMAO

The biggest concerns with Bray aren't even his age. It's his off the field incident, his funky release, and his skinny frame.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-12-2012, 07:26 PM
HC: Mike Singletary
QB: Brandon Siler
GM: Buddy Ryan

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 07:27 PM
He'll be 21 years, 4 months.

When the 2013 season begins, he'll be 3 months shy of 22 years old.

How is that, in any way, 20 years old? LMAO

The biggest concerns with Bray aren't even his age. It's his off the field incident, his funky release, and his skinny frame.

Still wouldn't do it, you fucking douche.

But of course, I'm talking about maturity with the most immature poster in this forum.

:doh!:

Count Alex's Losses
09-12-2012, 07:31 PM
So Bray will be ready to be drafted in the 2014 draft?

One year makes all the difference?

LOCOChief
09-12-2012, 07:33 PM
If the Saints win big this year, yes, I believe they'll fire Payton. Why pay him $7 million per year when you can pay a guy $3.5 million for similar results?


I think Brees has already had something to say about this, and it isn't happening.

RunKC
09-12-2012, 07:41 PM
I would love to have Andy Reid when he gets fired this year. Dude knows how to make QB's look good. He's a good drafter and can really put together a good DL.

He's done really well for being in the hardest division in the NFC.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 07:47 PM
I think Brees has already had something to say about this, and it isn't happening.

We'll see. If the Saints go to the NFC Championship or even Super Bowl without Payton, why would they bring him back, especially at $7 million per?

What happens in New Orleans this year could create a domino effect on 2013 coaching hires.

LOCOChief
09-12-2012, 07:50 PM
We'll see. If the Saints go to the NFC Championship or even Super Bowl without Payton, why would they bring him back, especially at $7 million per?

What happens in New Orleans this year could create a domino effect on 2013 coaching hires.

Oh I can see them having a big season, but don't you think Brees has Paytons back under the circumstances? I do.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 07:51 PM
So Bray will be ready to be drafted in the 2014 draft?

One year makes all the difference?

Absolutely, if you're talking about an immediate NFL starter.

Plus, the NFL likes guys that stay all four years.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 07:54 PM
Oh I can see them having a big season, but don't you think Brees has Paytons back under the circumstances? I do.

I'm not so certain that Rita Benson brings back Payton at $7 million per season if the Saints go deep in the playoffs.

Sfeihc
09-12-2012, 08:06 PM
Solari/Printers

Chicken salad for all!!!

Setsuna
09-12-2012, 08:17 PM
Head Coaching possibilities: Mike Zimmer, Chud from Carolina,

QBs: Barkley, Wilson, Bray, Smith, Thomas, and Murray.
Enough of this idiocy. He isn't that good. Tired of you sucking him off. Are you a chick or something?

Mr_Tomahawk
09-12-2012, 08:18 PM
My signature.

Setsuna
09-12-2012, 08:19 PM
Tyler Bray.

I'm pretty stupid, but his arm, goddamn.

Get his name outcha mouth.


My signature.
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

He just turned into glass. Take it down.

DTLB58
09-12-2012, 08:25 PM
Jon Gruden:D

I love Gruden but I'm here to tell ya, these guys aren't dumb.

Clark isn't in this to win and they see this.

KC is only gonna get guys that are desperate for a chance.
The only way the Chiefs ever win a SB in the Hunt era is by gosh darn luck.

Mr_Tomahawk
09-12-2012, 08:27 PM
Get his name outcha mouth.



ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

He just turned into glass. Take it down.

I can play too, see:

And you like guys with stars tattooed on their back..?

Uh...hmmm...neat!

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-12-2012, 08:28 PM
People will laugh but:

GM: Herm Edwards
Coach: Rob Ryan
QB: Anyone not named Casshole

Herm couldn't coach, but the man has an eye for talent and has experience as a player, coach, and working in personnel. I could see him taking on an Ozzie Newsome type role.

With the pieces he has to work with Rob Ryan could get some modern day aggressiveness in this defense and would be entertaining as hell.

You're damn right LMAO

Reerun will pimp slap you for seriously bringing up Herm.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2012, 08:29 PM
I love Gruden

Why?

Setsuna
09-12-2012, 08:50 PM
I can play too, see:

And you like guys with stars tattooed on their back..?

Uh...hmmm...neat!
LMAO Impressive. I don't make it my business to know what body art he has. Talent is all I'm concerned about.

DaWolf
09-12-2012, 09:13 PM
Herm couldn't coach, but the man has an eye for talent and has experience as a player, coach, and working in personnel. I could see him taking on an Ozzie Newsome type role.

Two words: Brodie Croyle...

Reerun_KC
09-13-2012, 09:44 AM
That's fine and I get what you are saying. But this thread is purely a response to one game as evidenced by the first sentence in the OP.

Yeah because the last 6 years we have been such an football power house...

All I can do is laugh at you. Considering we are tired of the same shit for the last 27 years. Maybe you arent, but most are.

you dont win in the NFL with Crennel and Cassel... Sorry bro.

Reerun_KC
09-13-2012, 09:45 AM
People will laugh but:

GM: Herm Edwards
Coach: Rob Ryan
QB: Anyone not named Casshole

Herm couldn't coach, but the man has an eye for talent and has experience as a player, coach, and working in personnel. I could see him taking on an Ozzie Newsome type role.

With the pieces he has to work with Rob Ryan could get some modern day aggressiveness in this defense and would be entertaining as hell.

You say that again and you will be banned from life....

Sorter
09-13-2012, 10:10 AM
Enough of this idiocy. He isn't that good. Tired of you sucking him off. Are you a chick or something?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s1600/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

Ace Gunner
09-13-2012, 10:14 AM
I love Gruden but I'm here to tell ya, these guys aren't dumb.

Clark isn't in this to win and they see this.

KC is only gonna get guys that are desperate for a chance.
The only way the Chiefs ever win a SB in the Hunt era is by gosh darn luck.

I totally agree with your point here. If Gru were to come in and talk about it, I imagine he would want full control over FO and bring in his own GM type guy to help. But if wishes was fishes. It's a very big IF.

The thing Gru brings is he has already taken one team, built it from mediocre to a contender and then jumped right over to another NFL team that was already well built and he won it all pronto. What this indicates to me is, Gru might indeed be a guy that is up to the task of winning it all with two different NFL teams. He's still a young guy by NFL coaching standards.

The Chiefs aren't quite ready to go, but there may be enough young talent on the lines to develop into a team worthy of contention. This team has skills positions handled imo, they just need a QB and better line play.

SNR
09-13-2012, 11:35 AM
I totally agree with your point here. If Gru were to come in and talk about it, I imagine he would want full control over FO and bring in his own GM type guy to help. But if wishes was fishes. It's a very big IF.

The thing Gru brings is he has already taken one team, built it from mediocre to a contender and then jumped right over to another NFL team that was already well built and he won it all pronto. What this indicates to me is, Gru might indeed be a guy that is up to the task of winning it all with two different NFL teams. He's still a young guy by NFL coaching standards.

The Chiefs aren't quite ready to go, but there may be enough young talent on the lines to develop into a team worthy of contention. This team has skills positions handled imo, they just need a QB and better line play.

1. Gruden apparently loves his ESPN gig. He gets to use all the shitty cliches he wants and act like a dildo while getting paid far more money than any coaching job could offer. In a way, I don't blame him.

2. If there exists a coach who can win it all with two different teams, Gruden isn't that guy at all. He reminds me a lot of Ken Whisenhunt, who started coaching an Arizona team with several high draft pick players already present. He found a QB in a garbage pile one day, cleaned him up, and watched the QB resurrect his career (and the Cardinals) by throwing to the best 1-2 WR combo the league has seen since Carter and Moss.

Tell me that's any different than Gruden coming to the Raiders, finding a great West Coast offense QB on the garbage heap, and letting everything else happen. Sure, both Whisenhunt and Gruden worked hard and coached hard, but the teams they went to already had their systems and tools ready for them. They just had to be smart and track down a wiley veteran QB who could set those pieces in motion.

I hate to say it, but what if KC had drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005 and sat him down while they squeezed the last bit of juice from Trent Green (no homo)? Herm fucking Edwards would look like a brilliant coach right now, having had reasonable success reviving the NY Jets to become a playoff winner, and then residing over a Chiefs team with some good talent on defense and an actual franchise QB.

RustShack
09-13-2012, 12:09 PM
Scott Pioli/Romeo Crennel/Steele Jantz

PRIEST
09-13-2012, 12:24 PM
I love Gruden but I'm here to tell ya, these guys aren't dumb.

Clark isn't in this to win and they see this.

KC is only gonna get guys that are desperate for a chance.
The only way the Chiefs ever win a SB in the Hunt era is by gosh darn luck.

This

Tyler Bray if we pick one .

Bewbies
09-13-2012, 12:25 PM
Scott Pioli/Romeo Crennel/Steele Jantz

LMAO

Ace Gunner
09-13-2012, 02:08 PM
Here's a guy that intrigues me.

Mike McCoy.

The way he has been able to adapt to so many different situations in Denver, on the fly, over the last 3 years is really impressive.

McCoy/Geno Smith

But is he the real McCoy:D

srsly, McCoy seems poised to land a HC gig next season. I like your combo of ED/McCoy/Geno, for the same reason you do -- McCoy seems like a guy that can work with pocket passers and scramblers alike and he seems well versed on both WCO & E/P offense . That is what I like about Jon Gruden as well. But the likelyhood of ED/Gru/Gino doesn't seem as plausible as perhaps McCoy in there instead.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-13-2012, 02:16 PM
I love Gruden but I'm here to tell ya, these guys aren't dumb.

Clark isn't in this to win and they see this.

KC is only gonna get guys that are desperate for a chance.
The only way the Chiefs ever win a SB in the Hunt era is by gosh darn luck.

Oh so true.

whoman69
09-13-2012, 03:13 PM
Let's not fire the coach until it becomes time to fire the coach. There's a direct correlation with teams showing patience at the HC position and having a successful franchise. How many times would the media have fired Tom Coughlin? The Steelers have had three head coaches since 1969. Teams need stability.

O.city
09-13-2012, 03:15 PM
Let's not fire the coach until it becomes time to fire the coach. There's a direct correlation with teams showing patience at the HC position and having a successful franchise. How many times would the media have fired Tom Coughlin? The Steelers have had three head coaches since 1969. Teams need stability.

You know how to get stability?

First, get a GM that isn't a dipshit. Second, dont hire a HC that's nearly 70 years old.

Ace Gunner
09-13-2012, 04:21 PM
You know how to get stability?

First, get a GM that isn't a dipshit. Second, dont hire a HC that's nearly 70 years old.

Don't you mean 1st, don't die and let your spoiled ass son flounder in your riches and football team. of course you do:D

whoman69
09-13-2012, 04:24 PM
You know how to get stability?

First, get a GM that isn't a dipshit. Second, dont hire a HC that's nearly 70 years old.

How about don't give up draft picks to get a coach.

whoman69
09-13-2012, 04:25 PM
Don't you mean 1st, don't die and let your spoiled ass son flounder in your riches and football team. of course you do:D

The elder hadn't brought any hardware here in a long time either.

milkman
09-15-2012, 01:49 PM
People will laugh but:

GM: Herm Edwards
Coach: Rob Ryan
QB: Anyone not named Casshole

Herm couldn't coach, but the man has an eye for talent and has experience as a player, coach, and working in personnel. I could see him taking on an Ozzie Newsome type role.

With the pieces he has to work with Rob Ryan could get some modern day aggressiveness in this defense and would be entertaining as hell.

I do think that Herman fucking Edwards has some ability when it comes to talent evaluation, but I think it's fairly limited to the defenive side of the ball.

You, and others, assign responsibility for that '08 draft to Herman fucking Edwards, when all indications suggest that the architects of that draft were actually Bill Kuharch and Chuck Cook.

Rausch
09-15-2012, 02:04 PM
I do think that Herman ****ing Edwards has some ability when it comes to talent evaluation, but I think it's fairly limited to the defenive side of the ball.

You, and others, assign responsibility for that '08 draft to Herman ****ing Edwards, when all indications suggest that the architects of that draft were actually Bill Kuharch and Chuck Cook.

Herm was a great scout of talent, a great DB coach, and should have been highly paid to stay there.

Anyone who promoted him above that dipped their fingers in the waters of dumbassery...

mcaj22
09-15-2012, 02:19 PM
id take andy reid in a second if philly fires him

he can develop shitter QBs like a mother fucker and thats enough of an upgrade over the crap coaches we have had the last 7 years

DaneMcCloud
09-15-2012, 02:20 PM
id take andy reid in a second if philly fires him

he can develop shitter QBs like a mother fucker and thats enough of an upgrade over the crap coaches we have had the last 7 years

LMAO

Rausch
09-15-2012, 02:22 PM
LMAO

Don't laugh.

All his kids are in jail now.

There's really no downside...

DaneMcCloud
09-15-2012, 02:29 PM
Don't laugh.

All his kids are in jail now.

There's really no downside...

I'm laughing because Andy Reid has somehow fooled some people into believing he's a QB guru when in reality, he's never won anything significant and his QB's have failed everywhere outside of Philly.

Count Alex's Losses
09-15-2012, 02:50 PM
So Andy Reid is a buffoon....one of the winningest coaches of the last decade...and yet you think Romeo Crennel is NOT garbage?

Romeo Crennel is a POS compared to Reid.

saphojunkie
09-15-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm laughing because Andy Reid has somehow fooled some people into believing he's a QB guru when in reality, he's never won anything significant and his QB's have failed everywhere outside of Philly.

Wouldn't that mean that he's a really good QB coach? If they succeed with him, but fail without him?

Dude did make it to four straight NFC championships and a super bowl. I'd be more than happy with that.

mcaj22
09-15-2012, 03:29 PM
I'm laughing because Andy Reid has somehow fooled some people into believing he's a QB guru when in reality, he's never won anything significant and his QB's have failed everywhere outside of Philly.

thats the ****ing point lol. He grooms them and trades them like hot garbage.

and thats way better than the slop we have been trotting out there this year

if the Eagles fail this season he will be on the market. Not to mention he's not afraid to a grab a QB in the mid rounds of the draft every year, unlike our shithead GM

Discuss Thrower
09-15-2012, 03:31 PM
Reid just buried one of his sons, and you people think he'll find another team if he's dismissed by Philadelphia?

Wow.

-King-
09-15-2012, 03:32 PM
So Andy Reid is a buffoon....one of the winningest coaches of the last decade...and yet you think Romeo Crennel is NOT garbage?

Romeo Crennel is a POS compared to Reid.


Look at the shiny trophy he won for that http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c393/trappedinemerica/Trophy_Case2.jpg


Oh wait.

mcaj22
09-15-2012, 03:35 PM
Reid just buried one of his sons, and you people think he'll find another team if he's dismissed by Philadelphia?

Wow.

and that's different from Philly coming out and saying he was on the hot seat this year AS HE WAS BURYING his son, how exactly?

Count Alex's Losses
09-15-2012, 03:36 PM
Who cares?

It's stupid how people around here talk shit on awesome coaches like Andy Reid and then go balls deep on Romeo Crennel.

Just fucking stupid.

DaneMcCloud
09-15-2012, 04:25 PM
Wouldn't that mean that he's a really good QB coach? If they succeed with him, but fail without him?

I think he knows how to make his guys fit his system but to date, that hasn't translated anywhere else.

Compare that to guys like Montana or Favre or Manning, etc. They play well everywhere, regardless of the coach or system. Reid's guys have fallen flat on their faces.

Dude did make it to four straight NFC championships and a super bowl. I'd be more than happy with that.

Meh. He's had more than a decade to win a Super Bowl. During that time, he's had a solid team, both offensively and defensively, but has failed to win the coveted championship. The longer he goes, the more he looks like Marty Schottenheimer, Dan Reeves, and so on: Just another good coach incapable of getting their team over the hump.

I'm hoping for more than that with the Chiefs next hire.

Count Alex's Losses
09-15-2012, 04:34 PM
I'm hoping for more than that with the Chiefs next hire.

After Romeo wins the Super Bowl?

whoman69
09-15-2012, 05:06 PM
No way I'd take Andy Reid at this point. He's had his chance and has given all he has to give. Its not like the Eagles have been an efficient machine the last few years. If we get a new coach, it has to be a young coach with something to prove.

Chiefshrink
09-15-2012, 06:01 PM
No way Clark fires Scott. Ain't gonna happen.

Chiefshrink
09-15-2012, 06:03 PM
But since we are doing a fun hypothetical here.

Sean Peyton in heartbeat but no way NO fires him either even with a POA(playoff appearance) this year.

jd1020
09-15-2012, 06:04 PM
No way Clark fires Scott. Ain't gonna happen.

Nor should he. Pioli has done a good job of building a team, minus the QB position. The upcoming draft is shaping up to be the first legitimate shot at a top quality QB, even if you just count the SRs. If he fails to do something to get one then I might change my tone.

Chiefshrink
09-15-2012, 06:12 PM
Nor should he. Pioli has done a good job of building a team, minus the QB position. The upcoming draft is shaping up to be the first legitimate shot at a top quality QB, even if you just count the SRs. If he fails to do something to get one then I might change my tone.

I'm not saying he should be but IF he continues this MC insanity trying to force a square peg in a round hole because of a sensitive ego and refusing to admit he gave millions to a failure then he needs to go IMO.

Manila-Chief
09-15-2012, 08:42 PM
Just for your opinion ... I realize this is an extremely long shot ... he already bailed out on the NFL once and may not wish to leave his present cushy position ... but, I, too, have serious doubts re: RAC ... he just doesn't strike me as having the ability of winning a SB & for a couple or 3 weeks I've been thinking who could we replace him with ... to hire another 1st. time HC is taking a huge gamble ... what was it something like 11 coaches hire the year Haley arrive and only a couple are still in their position??? .... therefore, we need an experienced coach. I've been considering who ... not seeing many that I really like ... today as I was watching Bama vs. Ark ... I was wondering how Nick Saban would do on a 2nd. try? I'd only want him if he feels like he has something to prove in the NFL (I mean would NOT want a GM/Owner to try and convince him or pay him well).

The man does not how to coach and win at the college level. Can it translate to the NFL on a 2nd. time around? He would have to have the right GM. He will have had to learn how to treat NFL players. I'm not that hyped up about Saban but no one else jumps out in front of the pack.

Just wondering??? But, it's a useless task. Hunt will not fire Pioli for several years ... RAC is Pioli's man ... so, we are stuck for the next few years.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think Hunt fired the wrong guy last year. He should have fired Pioli. I think under a GM, who will support him, Haley can be a winning coach. His players wouldn't say anything bad about him. I'm not impressed with Pioli. I haven't seen much positive from him ... other than drafting Berry and Lewis. I think he created a huge negative work place environment that makes it hard for a coach to win. As bad as he was, Carl drafted much better.

JASONSAUTO
09-15-2012, 09:03 PM
Fuck no to nick saban
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Setsuna
09-15-2012, 10:03 PM
**** no to nick saban
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His personality doesn't work in the NFL. Better suited to stay in college.

DaneMcCloud
09-15-2012, 10:20 PM
But since we are doing a fun hypothetical here.

Sean Peyton in heartbeat but no way NO fires him either even with a POA(playoff appearance) this year.

IF the Saints win the Super Bowl this year without Sean Payton, what incentive do they have to bring him back and pay him $7 million per year?

milkman
09-15-2012, 10:23 PM
IF the Saints win the Super Bowl this year without Sean Payton, what incentive do they have to bring him back and pay him $7 million per year?

I'm pretty sure they will not be faced with that question.

But, to answer the question, they would be on the hook for his salary next season if they do fire him.

Might as well have him hold a clipboard or something for that money.

DaneMcCloud
09-15-2012, 10:26 PM
I'm pretty sure they will not be faced with that question.

But, to answer the question, they would be on the hook for his salary next season if they do fire him.

Might as well have him hold a clipboard or something for that money.

Well, as much as I agree with you, the NFL season often takes strange twists and turns.

I'm not sure about the terms of the contract but I'm pretty sure he can be fired "With Cause" due to the bounty issue. I've read several reports that state that Rita Benson isn't too happy with Payton so if the Saints make any noise in the post season without him, it's not unthinkable that he'd be fired.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-16-2012, 03:00 PM
I joked about this before but now I have seen the light.

GM: Rich McKay (would rather have guy from Baltimore but that won't happen)
HC: John Gruden (would rather have Cowher but that won't happen)
QB: TBD (To soon to tell)

DaneMcCloud
09-16-2012, 03:20 PM
I joked about this before but now I have seen the light.

GM: Rich McKay (would rather have guy from Baltimore but that won't happen)
HC: John Gruden (would rather have Cowher but that won't happen)
QB: TBD (To soon to tell)

Gruden

LMAO

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-16-2012, 03:21 PM
Sgt. Hulka and Psycho.

Big Chief Homer
09-16-2012, 03:24 PM
Does it really matter who we want?

we're stuck with Romeo and Casell

Setsuna
09-16-2012, 03:24 PM
Get Gruden. He sucks but players want to play for him. That seems to be the problem with the rest of the team. Also a new GM would do wonders. Pioli won't lead you anywhere.

Brainiac
09-16-2012, 03:34 PM
Here's your answer.
http://lswhs.leesummit.k12.mo.us/stuwebpages/5th11/Nastasi_Chiefs/Images/carl_and_marty.jpg

Sorter
09-16-2012, 08:17 PM
After watching AZ's D this week, how about Ray Horton and Geno Smith?

Pawnmower
09-16-2012, 08:19 PM
sean peyton would be fucking amazing

milkman
09-16-2012, 08:24 PM
sean peyton would be ****ing amazing

Sean Peyton is not going anywhere.

The Saints are illustrating to the world just how valuable the HC is.

chop
09-16-2012, 08:29 PM
Here's your answer.
http://lswhs.leesummit.k12.mo.us/stuwebpages/5th11/Nastasi_Chiefs/Images/carl_and_marty.jpg

You always know it turns out bad when they talk about making the playoffs for several consecutive years but fail to show thier playoff record. Those teams had the same problem with this years team, a carry the team on his back QB.

ChiefsCountry
09-17-2012, 11:08 PM
Russ Ball as GM
Winston Moss as Head Coach
Matt Barkley/Tyler Bray as Quarterback

DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 11:15 PM
After watching AZ's D this week, how about Ray Horton and Geno Smith?

I don't know much about Ray Horton but if I were a GM looking for a head coach, he'd be on my list of interviews.

But, keep in mind, they have some serious defensive talent on that team, so I'm not sure if it's the scheme, the talent or a coach smart enough not to get in the way.

SNR
09-17-2012, 11:19 PM
Russ Ball as GM
Fucking this.

Count Alex's Losses
09-17-2012, 11:21 PM
Russ BALLA ASS GM

ROYC75
09-17-2012, 11:22 PM
GM - Not sure, Pioli isn't going no place unless we lose big time 4-12 or worst, so basically it's a moot point.

HC - I could live Mike Nolan, but if Pioli is here, RC will be here too.

QB - Anybody over the art of deception, but if Pioli is here, Cassel will take a pay cut to be our QB.

We have to be as bad all year as we were yesterday to get a complete overhaul. I never want to see us lose, but for the good of the franchise ? My thinking may just change.

ROYC75
09-17-2012, 11:23 PM
Ball would be a good pick.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 11:24 PM
I don't know much about Ray Horton but if I were a GM looking for a head coach, he'd be on my list of interviews.

But, keep in mind, they have some serious defensive talent on that team, so I'm not sure if it's the scheme, the talent or a coach smart enough not to get in the way.

I think it's a combination. They've had Dockett, Wilson, and Campbell there forever and have had horrible defenses. They added some nice pieces in Washington, Peterson, Acho, Schofield, Rhodes, etc.

Their defense came on the second half of the season and is only getting better.
Horton is using Pitts fire-zone, 1-gap to perfection. AZ is 9-2 their last 11 games. I'm biased because I really like the 1-gap 3-4, but I think Ray with this defense is just as good, if not better than AZ's defense.

ChiefsCountry
09-17-2012, 11:33 PM
****ing this.

I think he is a perfect fit. I said the Rams should have went after him last year. Here is a native of Missouri. Worked under Marty here, first as strength coach then in an adminstrative role. Saw the rebuilding of the Chiefs through Marty. Worked in Minnesota during the Denny Green era. Moved on to Washington with Marty. Then went to New Orleans in the Haslet and Sean Payton. Hired in Green Bay under Ted Thompson. Lots of damn good football solid hard nose football guys.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 11:45 PM
Russ Ball as GM


http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/obama-not-bad-face-288x250.jpg

Raiderhader
09-18-2012, 12:06 AM
I don't get all of the man love for Gruden. Just say no to Chucky.

BryanBusby
09-18-2012, 12:18 AM
No retreads please.

The first idea for a new Head Coach would be Mike Zimmer. Teams are going to regret passing on him because he called Bobby Petrino a piece of shit.

He's the coach that Todd Haley should of been.

If you want an actual GM, grab the Giants assistant General Manager (Kevin Abrams). He was around when the Giants grew huge balls and made the push to get Eli Manning, so I'm sure he understands the importance of finding an actual fucking franchise QB. The Giants have underrated drafts even year and make a lot of great FA signings. They run that franchise the way Scott Pioli could only wish he could run the Chiefs.

Put me down for Kevin Abrams/Mike Zimmer/Tyler Wilson. I guarantee this team wouldn't be half-assing it like they have been with Zimmer on the sideline.

Saccopoo
09-18-2012, 12:34 AM
It doesn't fucking matter who your GM and Coach are if you have a stud at QB.

Pick this guy and you can keep Pioli and the Doughnut Master as your GM and HC:

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Q9m2dF2QciOmnNdTvvYvAw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTE5MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/nfp/Geno-Smith2.jpg

Tom Brady and John Elway prove this formula as correct.

SNR
09-18-2012, 12:42 AM
I need to pick up my Geno Smith pimping.

Sac is leaving me in the dust.

KCrockaholic
09-18-2012, 12:44 AM
I think I'm on the Geno Smith bandwagon as well.

Was on the Aaron Murray bandwagon but I saw some things in the Missouri game that I REALLY didn't like out of him.

The Bad Guy
09-18-2012, 12:46 AM
Jay Gruden HC/Geno Smith QB

The Bad Guy
09-18-2012, 12:47 AM
I don't know much about Ray Horton but if I were a GM looking for a head coach, he'd be on my list of interviews.

But, keep in mind, they have some serious defensive talent on that team, so I'm not sure if it's the scheme, the talent or a coach smart enough not to get in the way.

His schemes have been very, very good. Learned under LeBeau too, so it can't hurt to have that extensive knowledge.

Chocolate Hog
09-18-2012, 12:51 AM
I like Milkmans suggestion of McCoy.

I like Chudzinski sp? too.

I think Barkley is the best QB in the draft Geno Smith #2. Bray, Wilson and also Thomas would be acceptable though Thomas is a bit of a project.

Saccopoo
09-18-2012, 12:56 AM
I think I'm on the Geno Smith bandwagon as well.

Was on the Aaron Murray bandwagon but I saw some things in the Missouri game that I REALLY didn't like out of him.

66/75 for 734 yards, 9 TDs (+1 on the ground) and no interceptions for a 210 QB rating.

You think you are on the Geno Smith bandwagon?

Don't think. Just jump on board.

DaneMcCloud
09-18-2012, 01:33 AM
I need to pick up my Geno Smith pimping.

Sac is leaving me in the dust.

Actually, it scares the shit out of me that Sac is pimping Geno Smith.

Saccopoo
09-18-2012, 01:35 AM
Actually, it scares the shit out of me that Sac is pimping Geno Smith.

I was Geno Smith before Geno Smith was cool.

I'm almost about to let others handle the Smith freight train and start getting the Urban Meyer head coaching thing going full steam.

DaneMcCloud
09-18-2012, 01:36 AM
His schemes have been very, very good. Learned under LeBeau too, so it can't hurt to have that extensive knowledge.

I just looked and he has a nice NFL resume, from player to position coach to defensive coordinator. He's only on his second year as a coordinator so it might be a little early to rush him into a head coaching position but I'd still interview him.

DaneMcCloud
09-18-2012, 01:36 AM
I was Geno Smith before Geno Smith was cool.

I'm almost about to let others handle the Smith freight train and start getting the Urban Meyer head coaching thing going full steam.

But you were Okung before Okung became Odung.

BigMeatballDave
09-18-2012, 01:38 AM
I'm almost about to let others handle the Smith freight train and start getting the Urban Meyer head coaching thing going full steam.

NO WAY is he leaving Ohio St.

SNR
09-18-2012, 01:38 AM
I was Geno Smith before Geno Smith was cool.

I'm almost about to let others handle the Smith freight train and start getting the Urban Meyer head coaching thing going full steam.

Screw the Vermeil Chiefs. The Meyer Chiefs are the REAL cardiac kids!

Saccopoo
09-18-2012, 01:38 AM
But you were Okung before Okung became Odung.

Okung has looked pretty good this year.

And Berry still can't cover.

Don't throw the last bit of dirt on that grave just yet.

Saccopoo
09-18-2012, 01:39 AM
NO WAY is he leaving Ohio St.

They said that he would never leave Utah.

Tribal Warfare
09-18-2012, 01:40 AM
It doesn't fucking matter who your GM and Coach are if you have a stud at QB.



Tom Brady and John Elway prove this formula as correct.

(Matt Damon's voice in Team America: World Police) - Peyton...... Manning

RustShack
09-18-2012, 01:42 AM
Steele Jantz for QBotF

Saccopoo
09-18-2012, 01:42 AM
For reals:

http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/1010/ncf_a_smith_ps_400.jpg

http://lifeperformanceinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Urban-Meyer.png

RustShack
09-18-2012, 01:45 AM
http://dailyiowan.smugmug.com/People/Daily-Photos-September-2011/i-rGMRppZ/0/L/091011-IowaISU045-L.jpg

BigMeatballDave
09-18-2012, 01:50 AM
They said that he would never leave Utah.

His coaching career began at Ohio St.

He's from Ohio.

There is NO reason for him to leave.

BryanBusby
09-18-2012, 01:52 AM
Urban Meyer doesn't belong in the NFL. If the demands of being a Head Coach was too much for him to handle in the SEC, running a billion dollar franchise in the NFL would quickly put him on his death bed.

DaneMcCloud
09-18-2012, 01:59 AM
They said that he would never leave Utah.

Urban Meyer would flame out quicker than Bobby Petrino in the NFL.

He belongs at the college level. There's just far too much pressure in today's NFL for him.

New World Order
09-18-2012, 02:00 AM
Just get Jon Gruden and be done with it all

DaneMcCloud
09-18-2012, 02:01 AM
Just get Jon Gruden and be done with it all

:Lin:

warpaint*
09-18-2012, 06:38 AM
Tyler Wilson. Have to think about the other 2.