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Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 02:18 PM
Draft a first round Corner Pioli!!!!

We have only drafted three first round corners in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs!

We haven't drafted a first round corner in 20 YEARS!!!!

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!

If we want to be good, we have to draft a first round cornerback. Twenty-eight of the 46 (61%) Superbowl Champions had A STARTING first round cornerbacks! That is probably higher than any other position on the field. With a first round cornerback, your odds of being a great team increase tremendously. In the last ten years, thirteen of thirty-nine (33%) first round corners went to the pro bowl!

Check out the teams that won with a starting first round corner below.

I
January 15, 1967
Green Bay Packers
II
January 14, 1968
Green Bay Packers
IV
January 11, 1970
Kansas City Chiefs
VI
January 16, 1972
Dallas Cowboys
IX
January 12, 1975
Pittsburgh Steelers
X
January 18, 1976
Pittsburgh Steelers
XII
January 15, 1978
Dallas Cowboys
XIII
January 21, 1979
Pittsburgh Steelers
XIV
January 20, 1980
Pittsburgh Steelers
XVI
January 24, 1982
San Francisco 49ers
XVIII
January 22, 1984
Los Angeles Raiders
XIX
January 20, 1985
San Francisco 49ers
XXII
January 31, 1988
Washington Redskins
XXVI
January 26, 1992
Washington Redskins
XXVIII
January 30, 1994
Dallas Cowboys
XXIX
January 29, 1995
San Francisco 49ers
XXX
January 28, 1996
Dallas Cowboys
XXXI
January 26, 1997
Green Bay Packers
XXXII
January 25, 1998
Denver Broncos
XXXIII
January 31, 1999
Denver Broncos
XXXIV
January 30, 2000
St. Louis Rams
XXXV
January 28, 2001
Baltimore Ravens
XXXVI
February 3, 2002
New England Patriots
XXXVIII
February 1, 2004
New England Patriots
XXXIX
February 6, 2005
New England Patriots
XLII
February 3, 2008
New York Giants
XLV
February 6, 2011
Green Bay Packers
XLVI
February 5, 2012
New York Giants

the Talking Can
09-13-2012, 02:21 PM
you are so dumb it is painful

Munson
09-13-2012, 02:22 PM
http://cdn.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/5355/Dumbass-1.jpg

ChiefsCountry
09-13-2012, 02:24 PM
you are so dumb it is painful

This.
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mcaj22
09-13-2012, 02:24 PM
and O City yells at me for the shit i say?

holy hell

El Jefe
09-13-2012, 02:24 PM
I'm sorry, you seem to have spelled Quarterback wrong.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 02:25 PM
I guess you guys no where I am going with this???

I'll let you stew over this for a while as this is just the beginning.... I'll follow up tomorrow if I get time.

qabbaan
09-13-2012, 02:25 PM
We just let a good young corner walk for nothing. Obviously they think we are fine at corner.

GordonGekko
09-13-2012, 02:25 PM
I don't think Pioli will be around for another draft to have this kind of opportunity.

BigCatDaddy
09-13-2012, 02:25 PM
Herm?

mcaj22
09-13-2012, 02:26 PM
donald washington
javier arenas
jalil brown

thanks Scott for shit

ChiefsCountry
09-13-2012, 02:26 PM
I guess you guys no where I am going with this???

I'll let it stew for a while as this is just the beginning.... I'll follow up tomorrow if I get time.

That you are a clueless fucking douche.
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Deberg_1990
09-13-2012, 02:27 PM
I fully support drafting a "Franchise Guard" in the 1st round to groom behind Asmaugh.

the Talking Can
09-13-2012, 02:28 PM
I guess you guys no where I am going with this???

I'll let you stew over this for a while as this is just the beginning.... I'll follow up tomorrow if I get time.

you're going 'no where'

because you're an epic fuckwad...I thought all the real stupid assholes had given up, and then like some kind of retarded magic you appear...

I pray for aids...not for you, for me

Cornstock
09-13-2012, 02:29 PM
:facepalm:

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 02:30 PM
Defensively, this is a cornerback driven league!!! If you don't have one, how can you possibly compete? It's a passing game nowadays and cornerback is the most important defensive position on the football field.

Three first round corners in the history of this organization!!!??? No first round corner in 20 years?!!! It's no wonder what's wrong with this damn team!!!!

LMAO

Reerun_KC
09-13-2012, 02:32 PM
We need a mod to nut up and delete this thread...

I cant believe someone actually put thought and time into this thread.

Inmem58
09-13-2012, 02:33 PM
Worse fucking thread ever. Ban this stupid motherfucker.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 02:34 PM
We need a mod to nut up and delete this thread...

I cant believe someone actually put thought and time into this thread.

Why delete it? It's incredibly valid.

KCUnited
09-13-2012, 02:34 PM
Hook. Line. Sinker.

L.A.Chieffan, watch your crown.

Reerun_KC
09-13-2012, 02:34 PM
I swear BlackBob and Claythan are one in the same...

Inmem58
09-13-2012, 02:36 PM
You owe me a new computer, just punched my fucking screen after reading it a second time. I was trying to find some sort of sarcasm, but there was nothing. I broke my fucking screen because you think a fucking cornerback can take us to the super bowl. Good fucking god

El Jefe
09-13-2012, 02:37 PM
I guess you guys no where I am going with this???

I'll let you stew over this for a while as this is just the beginning.... I'll follow up tomorrow if I get time.

Iz yu ignant?

jd1020
09-13-2012, 02:38 PM
I swear BlackBob and Claythan are one in the same...

Not too far off.

Both troll and 39 vs 45 posts daily.

Munson
09-13-2012, 02:38 PM
Worse ****ing thread ever. Ban this stupid mother****er.

This.

We shouldn't have to put up with this dumbassery from a n00b.

ChiefsCountry
09-13-2012, 02:38 PM
Corner isn't even the most important defensive pposition, its pass rusher you dumbfuck.
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BoneKrusher
09-13-2012, 02:39 PM
http://cdn.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/5355/Dumbass-1.jpg

i know this dude, it's Milkman.

Frosty
09-13-2012, 02:39 PM
Defensively, this is a cornerback driven league!!!

No, it's not, so your whole stupid premise is invalid.

It IS a quarterback driven league so trying to make some kind of comparison is extremely retarded.

BoneKrusher
09-13-2012, 02:43 PM
I don't think Pioli will be around for another draft to have this kind of opportunity.

i'm thinking the same thing.

Sofa King
09-13-2012, 02:43 PM
Hook. Line. Sinker.

L.A.Chieffan, watch your crown.

He's gaining ground that's for sure.

I swear BlackBob and Claythan are one in the same...

That's because they are.

keg in kc
09-13-2012, 02:43 PM
The "worst poster" bar has been moved I see.

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 02:44 PM
There hasn't really been any corners good enough.

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-13-2012, 02:45 PM
I fully support drafting a "Franchise Guard" in the 1st round to groom behind Asmaugh.

The franchise Gunner, long snapper and holder never get the attention they deserve. It's disgusting.

BoneKrusher
09-13-2012, 02:46 PM
The franchise Gunner, long snapper and holder never get the attention they deserve. It's disgusting.

and not to mention a Backup QB.

DeezNutz
09-13-2012, 02:46 PM
There hasn't really been any corners good enough.

LMAO.

Maybe the best response in the thread.

People have been BlackBobzed.

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-13-2012, 02:48 PM
and not to mention a Backup QB.

Ah yes... the best player on the team that never plays. Good call.

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 02:49 PM
LMAO

I said early on that Black Bob is nothing but a dumbass troll.

Fuck this dude.

BoneKrusher
09-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Ah yes... the best player on the team that never plays. Good call.

yeah i thought if we're gonna blow a pick, might as well go all out. :thumb:

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 02:50 PM
It's sarcastic but, these are real stats and facts dudes.... Chill out... I told people I was going to make this comparison a while back. If I were a mod, I would ban all the people who keep asking for people to get banned. It's freaking crazy... LOL

The connections are real....

25 Superbowl winners had first round QBs.

KC has drafted three first round QBs in it's history.

KC hasn't drafted a QB in a long time.

9 out of 30 first round QBs (30%) have made the Pro Bowl in the last ten years

I don't believe in drafting a first round QB just for the sake of doing it and that's my argument. The success rate of a first round QB is similar and relevant to the success rate of other positions that have a similar number of guys go in the 1st round. I believe it has to be the right QB. Not just a first rounder. He needs to be able to carry the team on his shoulders when they need him to. He needs to be able to lead them back. I see people here talking about first round quarterbacks and the season isn't even close to over. I see prospects listed on wish lists that haven't done any of this shit. I love the Georgia Bulldogs and Aaron Murray hasn't done this once. I see that someone has convinced them it has to be a first rounder.

Let's get some common sense about this. Your chances of drafting a successful first round QB are about the same as any other position.

I am about to clock out from work and will see ya'll later.

BoneKrusher
09-13-2012, 02:51 PM
Bob's Cool.

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-13-2012, 02:52 PM
I remember when Black Bob introduced himself to CP twice and it seemed like he was going to be a valuable contributor. Then he admitted he wasn't black though and I started having my doubts.

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-13-2012, 02:53 PM
Bob's Cool.

He'd be cooler if he was black.

jd1020
09-13-2012, 02:55 PM
http://i2.listal.com/image/1528158/600full-what-about-bob%3F-screenshot.jpg

BoneKrusher
09-13-2012, 02:57 PM
http://i2.listal.com/image/1528158/600full-what-about-bob%3F-screenshot.jpg

that shirt would be so much better it the H was replaced with a C.

durtyrute
09-13-2012, 03:03 PM
The whole "you have to have a first round QB to win" is bullshit. We have one now and people want to toss him over board before he even sees the field.

Sorter
09-13-2012, 03:05 PM
LMAO

I said early on that Black Bob is nothing but a dumbass troll.

**** this dude.

Yup. He successfully trolled the Jalil Brown/Flowers thread and now this.

notorious
09-13-2012, 03:06 PM
BB, I was trying to be nice to the newcomer, but this thread is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

Fritz88
09-13-2012, 03:06 PM
I agree.

Good move.

Inmem58
09-13-2012, 03:09 PM
I can see why they ran him out CC

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-13-2012, 03:12 PM
Jesus, Bob.

durtyrute
09-13-2012, 03:14 PM
Please shorten that long ass OP

DeezNutz
09-13-2012, 03:15 PM
The whole "you have to have a first round QB to win" is bullshit. We have one now and people want to toss him over board before he even sees the field.

Franchise QB needed.

Best place to find one? First round, not from someone else's trash.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Franchise QB needed.

Best place to find one? First round, not from someone else's trash.

Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis.

Claynus
09-13-2012, 03:18 PM
BlackBob needs to be fucking banned for this travesty of a thread.

I will fucking ban myself for a week if he is banned for a month.

notorious
09-13-2012, 03:18 PM
Have you guys ever talked to a fan like BlackBob in person?

Discuss Thrower
09-13-2012, 03:21 PM
His name is Robert Trollson...

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2012, 03:24 PM
Edit your stupidly long OP, retard.

Thig Lyfe
09-13-2012, 03:25 PM
I'm pretty sure Matt Cassel played more time at corner than QB in college.

Mr. Laz
09-13-2012, 03:27 PM
I must of missed something ... is the draft this month ... are they going to have 2 drafts this season?

BoneKrusher
09-13-2012, 03:27 PM
I'm pretty sure Matt Cassel played more time at corner than QB in college.

he's tried to tackle a few corners since he came to KC.

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 03:30 PM
2009 and 2010 tells you that you dont NEED a first round corner. A guy who can manage the secondary and minimize mistakes is sufficient.

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 03:33 PM
Need I remind you guys of the risks? Pac Man jones anyone? No thanks

That guy put that franchise back 5 years, they STILL havent recovered.

Im sorry Black BOB but you dont know shit about football

Guru
09-13-2012, 03:40 PM
Obvious parody thread. Has to be.

Bewbies
09-13-2012, 03:41 PM
Obvious parody thread. Has to be.

Based on the guy that started this would be shocking.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 04:12 PM
It's sarcastic but, these are real stats and facts dudes.... Chill out... I told people I was going to make this comparison a while back. If I were a mod, I would ban all the people who keep asking for people to get banned. It's freaking crazy... LOL

The connections are real....

25 Superbowl winners had first round QBs.

KC has drafted three first round QBs in it's history.

KC hasn't drafted a QB in a long time.

9 out of 30 first round QBs (30%) have made the Pro Bowl in the last ten years

I don't believe in drafting a first round QB just for the sake of doing it and that's my argument. The success rate of a first round QB is similar and relevant to the success rate of other positions that have a similar number of guys go in the 1st round. I believe it has to be the right QB. Not just a first rounder. He needs to be able to carry the team on his shoulders when they need him to. He needs to be able to lead them back. I see people here talking about first round quarterbacks and the season isn't even close to over. I see prospects listed on wish lists that haven't done any of this shit. I love the Georgia Bulldogs and Aaron Murray hasn't done this once. I see that someone has convinced them it has to be a first rounder.

Let's get some common sense about this. Your chances of drafting a successful first round QB are about the same as any other position.

I am about to clock out from work and will see ya'll later.



In case you missed it, see above.

People are so angry LMAO. I am very respectful to people who are respectful to me. If you want to gang rape me, you get what you get. Why do you guys think I am trolling? Because I have a different opinion?

This is a well thought out post. About a week ago I said I would study this after someone threw the "you have to have a first round QB to win" argument in my face.

Whether or not we need a first round QB is a good argument. I am simply stating my point of view through sarcasm which I quickly admitted to after being taken seriously at first. :LOL:

The correlation between corners and quarterbacks is a close.

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 04:21 PM
Don't back pedal for getting called out on your own shit black Bob. Drafting a corner or a quarter back doesn't guarantee success

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 05:01 PM
This idiot is going to try and show every position up and down the roster and a correlation between players taken in first and super bowl winning teams.

fuck this guy
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JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 05:02 PM
Oh and BTW he isn't a troll.

He really believes what he says.


Even scarier.

I don't see how his brain even makes him breathe
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Rain Man
09-13-2012, 05:10 PM
Every single punter ever drafted in the first round eventually won three or more Super Bowls. Every single one of them.

CoMoChief
09-13-2012, 05:20 PM
Other than replacing Cassel (which Pioli won't ever do, so what's the point?) CB and WR would be the 2 positions I'd draft in next years 1st rd.

If Pioli grows some balls I'd rather draft a QB, since it's a deep class. But we all know that won't happen. CB is a strong need. So is safety. Kendrick Lewis isn't bad IF he's healthy.

I'm assuming Bowe won't be around next season, if that's the case, we better sign a top WR in FA, or draft a 1st rd WR.

Other positions of need are ILB and DE. Could use some strong depth at OLB as well. I wouldn't be pissed if they drafted OLB in the 2nd round.

O.city
09-13-2012, 05:22 PM
If we don't draft a qb, draft a pass rusher, the best one available. Jarvis Jenkins would be my first choice.

mcaj22
09-13-2012, 05:23 PM
we will draft a 5 tech

Sorter
09-13-2012, 05:24 PM
Is Jarvis Jenkins a Corner/OLB hybrid?

unlurking
09-13-2012, 05:25 PM
Maybe it's just me, but the OP had me laughing my ass off. Lot of butthurt folks on the board lately.

NJChiefsFan
09-13-2012, 06:08 PM
I guess you guys no where I am going with this???

I'll let you stew over this for a while as this is just the beginning.... I'll follow up tomorrow if I get time.

What, trying to say that the statistical argument for drafting a QB can be combated with this? Its not just about stats. Also, its know, not no.

boogblaster
09-13-2012, 06:13 PM
as the ban tightens .....

Setsuna
09-13-2012, 06:17 PM
I remember when Black Bob introduced himself to CP twice and it seemed like he was going to be a valuable contributor. Then he admitted he wasn't black though and I started having my doubts.

WTF? He isn't black? Ban this fucker now! :cuss:

Deberg_1990
09-13-2012, 06:19 PM
I gurantee you BlackFeces is a mult of someones.
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the Talking Can
09-13-2012, 06:57 PM
there are stupid people

and then there are people so stupid they think they're smart

and then there is black bob for which not even Chiefsplanet has an existing category to accurately describe just how fucking sad his stupidity is...

i honestly feel like I've been picking on a handicap kid and need to make amends

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 07:01 PM
Most handicapped kids would be right about something sometime
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Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 07:07 PM
Don't back pedal for getting called out on your own shit black Bob. Drafting a corner or a quarter back doesn't guarantee success

No shit dude. That's the point.

I'm not a mult. I'm not black and will change my name if a mod will let me. It was intended to mean Black like "evil" or "dark" but obviously it didn't go over that way. I know the Chiefs well and study football for fun. I have done the message board thing for a while.

I find it strange how so many are quick to call for others to get banned. Do you understand that at least 25% of the people here have been banned from somewhere else?

I don't think I am smarter than anyone here. Like I said, I am just defending myself most of the time. It's always the same 5 or so people that are assholes. If anyone feels threatened by me, that's not my intent. However, if you are going to treat someone like shit why shouldn't you expect it back?

In all honesty, I think this is one of my best posts in my seven years of doing this sort of thing. It took some work and the comparison is valid. The findings almost perfectly matched the angle I was trying to take...

O.city
09-13-2012, 07:13 PM
Of course it's not just about getting a first round qb, but getting the right one. You just have a better chance of that qb being the right one if you draft him in the first round, because he's more talented than a slapdick 4th rounder.

The Best Qb in the league pretty much guarantees you a playoff shot each year. The best CB in the league didn't make the playoffs last year.

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 07:15 PM
No shit dude. That's the point. You are so lost man.

Right brah.

Im not the one that did all the research and presentation in the opening post just to get owned by everyone. Your theory was interesting you shouldnt have discredited it so quickly after putting in all that work. However it is pretty obvious that you just do not grasp the NFL as a whole.

Sorter
09-13-2012, 07:18 PM
I gurantee you BlackFeces is a mult of someones.
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This.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 07:22 PM
This.

I highly doubt it.
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O.city
09-13-2012, 07:25 PM
If he is a mult, whoever it is should get an award for going thru this much trouble.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 07:44 PM
I'm not a mult.... I was at the Chiefs Coalition for 7-8 years and I got bored and moved here about a month ago. I said my goodbyes and I'm not going back. My name was Mugsy over there. I explained this a month ago. I am trying to get my name changed to Mugsy as we speak to stop the confusion.

Right brah.

Im not the one that did all the research and presentation in the opening post just to get owned by everyone. Your theory was interesting you shouldnt have discredited it so quickly after putting in all that work. However it is pretty obvious that you just do not grasp the NFL as a whole.

Look man.... It was sarcasm... the point was to get owned. I'm being serious and am not being a smartass. I was trying to make a point and I still don't think you understand. I am not trying to embarass you. I am trying to help you understand.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 07:52 PM
Are you fucking serious?
Jesus.

Fucking.

Christ.
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Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 07:55 PM
It's weird the things you can find in this comparison... Here's another one.... Joe Montana, the greatest QB of all time, wasn't a first round pick. The 1985 Bears, the best defense of all time, ddidn't have a first round corner.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 07:57 PM
Are you ****ing serious?
Jesus.

****ing.

Christ.
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YES LMAO

I am just a regular dude. I live just outside of Atlanta, GA. I grew up in Gladstone...

You posted in my introduction thread.... WTF man? LMAO

O.city
09-13-2012, 07:58 PM
More 1st round qbs have won SB's than any other rounds combined. For every 1st round qb taken, there are probably 10 2-7 rounders that never won shit.

You have to play the percentages. Chances are extremely better if you take a first round qb to win playoff games than finding a diamond in the rough.

Dave Lane
09-13-2012, 07:59 PM
I'm just curious how in the fuck this dude has positive rep. Seriously, that maybe the biggest WTF of my life.

Baby Lee
09-13-2012, 08:01 PM
If BobonBlackKnobs is willing to go to this much effort to annotate such stupidity, we owe it to him to ignore this thread until he give us comprehensive numbers of 1st round starters at EVERY position for all SB champs. Breakdown of all SB MVPs by position should be included as well.

That'll show us.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:08 PM
More 1st round qbs have won SB's than any other rounds combined. For every 1st round qb taken, there are probably 10 2-7 rounders that never won shit.

You have to play the percentages. Chances are extremely better if you take a first round qb to win playoff games than finding a diamond in the rough.

I don't have my notes in front of me right now. They are at work. However, I'm not sure about that.

How many Superbowls are you counting? Because guys like Bradshaw, Aikmen, Plunket, and Elway won more than one. If you are counting by just winning a superbowl, it might actually be pretty close.

Consider that there have been 46 Superbowls. In those 46 Superbowls, 26 of those teams had first round QBs. When you start counting the four Bradshaw won and the three Aiken won, it is not a representative stat. If you really wanted this survey to be a representative sample, you would need to only count each QB once and it will balance out. Montana won four and Brady won three for example. Neither were first rounders. It is more representative.

I have thought about this alot lately.

When I get to work tomorrow, I will figure it out. I have a feeling that the non-first rounders will be more than the first rounders.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:15 PM
I don't have my notes in front of me right now. They are at work. However, I'm not sure about that.

How many Superbowls are you counting? Because guys like Bradshaw, Aikmen, Plunket, and Elway won more than one. If you are counting by just winning a superbowl, it might actually be pretty close.

Consider that there have been 46 Superbowls. In those 46 Superbowls, 26 of those teams had first round QBs. When you start counting the four Bradshaw won and the three Aiken won, it is not a representative stat. If you really wanted this survey to be a representative sample, you would need to only count each QB once and it will balance out. Montana won four and Brady won three for example. Neither were first rounders. It is more representative.

I have thought about this alot lately.

When I get to work tomorrow, I will figure it out. I have a feeling that the non-first rounders will be more than the first rounders. search around here, this isn't new and you are FUCKING WRONG.
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Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:16 PM
If BobonBlackKnobs is willing to go to this much effort to annotate such stupidity, we owe it to him to ignore this thread until he give us comprehensive numbers of 1st round starters at EVERY position for all SB champs. Breakdown of all SB MVPs by position should be included as well.

That'll show us.

It's not possible and that was never my intent. I have prepared the stats for defensive ends but, it's really irrelevent. The thing is that over the course of history the position will have a certain percentage for the success rate. For example, for QBs over the last ten years it is 30%. For CBs it is 33%. For centers, it might be 100% or something because only 2-3 were taken and they are really good....

I guess the point is that even though you do have a better shot at getting a good QB in the first round, there is still a 70% chance they will be a bust.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:18 PM
YES LMAO

I am just a regular dude. I live just outside of Atlanta, GA. I grew up in Gladstone...

You posted in my introduction thread.... WTF man? LMAO you are fucking dumb.

I was asking of you seriously think you are going to make anyone understand anything.

You aren't teaching anything either.

holy fuck dude.
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Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:18 PM
search around here, this isn't new and you are ****ING WRONG.
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I will be happy to if you send me the link. Why are you so insistant that I am wrong? What if I am right? Will it piss you off because it will mean it's going to be alot more complex than just drafting a first round QB? Why are people so defensive about this subject here? I sensed this and that's why I decided to research this subject.

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:19 PM
I don't have my notes in front of me right now. They are at work. However, I'm not sure about that.

How many Superbowls are you counting? Because guys like Bradshaw, Aikmen, Plunket, and Elway won more than one. If you are counting by just winning a superbowl, it might actually be pretty close.

Consider that there have been 46 Superbowls. In those 46 Superbowls, 26 of those teams had first round QBs. When you start counting the four Bradshaw won and the three Aiken won, it is not a representative stat. If you really wanted this survey to be a representative sample, you would need to only count each QB once and it will balance out. Montana won four and Brady won three for example. Neither were first rounders. It is more representative.

I have thought about this alot lately.

When I get to work tomorrow, I will figure it out. I have a feeling that the non-first rounders will be more than the first rounders.

So if a first rounder won more than 1 SB, the other don't count? Then you throw out the Brady SB"s other than 1, the Montana other than 1, etc.


That makes no fucking sense to do that by the way.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:21 PM
you are ****ing dumb.

I was asking of you seriously think you are going to make anyone understand anything.

You aren't teaching anything either.

holy **** dude.
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When I lived in Missouri, it was called the "Show Me State." Instead of all you idiots calling me dumb, why don't you show me something?

Some of your posts are pretty damn ironic.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:21 PM
I will be happy to if you send me the link. Why are you so insistant that I am wrong? What if I am right? Will it piss you off because it will mean it's going to be alot more complex than just drafting a first round QB? Why are people so defensive about this subject here? I sensed this and that's why I decided to research this subject.
What are you talking about?

The percentages say you are more likely to win a super bowl with a first round qb.

Search it.

You didn't come up with something revolutionary here.
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O.city
09-13-2012, 08:21 PM
Do you understand that no one is saying, "draft a qb, first round, win SB"?

Drafting a quarterback in the first round gives you the best chance to draft an individual with the most skill shown at playing the qb position. You have a better chance at a franchise SB winning qb in the first round than you do any other round. It's the same with other positions, because the guys drafted in the first round are the most talented best players. There is a reason they are first rounders.


For every Brady, there are thousands of slapdicks.

Inmem58
09-13-2012, 08:21 PM
I will be happy to if you send me the link. Why are you so insistant that I am wrong? What if I am right? Will it piss you off because it will mean it's going to be alot more complex than just drafting a first round QB? Why are people so defensive about this subject here? I sensed this and that's why I decided to research this subject.

Why are we so sensitive? Probably because our missing piece has been a QB for several years not a bullshit cornerback. It's like you're part of the Chiefs staff and too dumb to recognize the big picture.


What does this team need most? A quarterback or cornerback?

lewdog
09-13-2012, 08:22 PM
OP is the same dude who said we would be 6-0 and 13-3!!!!

Trollerrific!!!!

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:23 PM
When I lived in Missouri, it was called the "Show Me State." Instead of all you idiots calling me dumb, why don't you show me something?

Some of your posts are pretty damn ironic.
I'm on my phone. Search it. There are posts on this site, multiple posts, breaking it down.

You are fucking stupid.

The odds say a first round qb is more likely to win a super bowl
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JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:24 PM
OP is the same dude who said we would be 6-0 and 13-3!!!!

Trollerrific!!!!
Troll is giving this dude too much credit.
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Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:24 PM
So if a first rounder won more than 1 SB, the other don't count? Then you throw out the Brady SB"s other than 1, the Montana other than 1, etc.


That makes no ****ing sense to do that by the way.

It makes absolute perfect sense because they are only one man. You are talking about one quarterback from one draft class. See what I mean?

If you start getting into QBs who won more than won Superbowl, you start getting into the elite - Hall of Fame caliber QB discussion. Which is a whole other type of QB you are trying to find. Winning a Superbowl is one thing and Winning multiple superbowls is another.

We are just trying to find a QB who can win one right?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:26 PM
OP is the same dude who said we would be 6-0 and 13-3!!!!

Trollerrific!!!!

I am and I ate crow. When I made that prediction we didn't have five guys out on defense either but I didn't back down. I still think we'll go on a run and Cassel will have a career year. I guess we'll see.

lewdog
09-13-2012, 08:26 PM
Troll is giving this dude too much credit.
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Why is he still in the green!!!???

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:26 PM
Dude obviously can't read either.
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JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:27 PM
Why is he still in the green!!!???

Even if he was red it would be too good for him
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O.city
09-13-2012, 08:27 PM
It makes absolute perfect sense because they are only one man. You are talking about one quarterback from one draft class. See what I mean?

If you start getting into QBs who won more than won Superbowl, you start getting into the elite - Hall of Fame caliber QB discussion. Which is a whole other type of QB you are trying to find. Winning a Superbowl is one thing and Winning multiple superbowls is another.

We are just trying to find a QB who can win one right?

Sounds like you are doing this to prop up your argument.


Do first round qb's have a better chance at winning SB's? Straight forward question?

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:29 PM
Also, why wouldn't you be trying to find the elite hall of fame qb? We don't want a game manager who can lean on a defense and win a SB.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:30 PM
All anyone has to do is search the posts. This has been discussed ad nauseam. Someone had already done the research
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JASONSAUTO
09-13-2012, 08:30 PM
Most game managers who have won a super bowl were firsts
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Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:31 PM
Do you understand that no one is saying, "draft a qb, first round, win SB"?

Drafting a quarterback in the first round gives you the best chance to draft an individual with the most skill shown at playing the qb position. You have a better chance at a franchise SB winning qb in the first round than you do any other round. It's the same with other positions, because the guys drafted in the first round are the most talented best players. There is a reason they are first rounders.


For every Brady, there are thousands of slapdicks.

Yeah but there is still a 70% chance that 1st round QB will bust. My goal is to find the single attribute or the combination of attributes that makes a QB most likely to be successful.

I believe it goes far beyond rounds and what is obvious to the eye.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:33 PM
Also, why wouldn't you be trying to find the elite hall of fame qb? We don't want a game manager who can lean on a defense and win a SB.

Because the odds of finding that guy are going to go way down. First, we need to find one capable of winning one superbowl. Even that won't be easy to find.

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:33 PM
Yeah but there is still a 70% chance that 1st round QB will bust. My goal is to find the single attribute or the combination of attributes that makes a QB most likely to be successful.

I believe it goes far beyond rounds and what is obvious to the eye.

Even if thats true, which 70% bust rate is way fucking off but oh well, it's still a 30% chance of finding your guy.


Rounds 2-7 the chances drop significantly. Wouldn't you want to draft a guy in a spot that gives you the best chance that he will be successful?

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Because the odds of finding that guy are going to go way down. First, we need to find one capable of winning one superbowl. Even that won't be easy to find.

So because the odds of finding that guy are so low you don't look for him?

What the fuck are you talking about man. Find a guy that can win one? Then what? Find a guy that can maybe win 2?

You find a guy that gives you the best chance to consistently get to the playoffs/SB and you build around him.

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:39 PM
So this year is SB 47.

1. Joe Namath - Super Bowl III
2. Bob Griese - Super Bowl VII and VIII
3. Terry Bradshaw - Super Bowls IX, X, XII, and XIII
4. Jim Plunkett - Super Bowls XV and XVIII
5. Jim McMahon - Super Bowl XX
6. Phil Simms - Super Bowl XXI
7. Doug Williams - Super Bowl XXII
8. Troy Aikman - Super Bowls XXVII, XXVIII, and XXX
9. Steve Young - Super Bowl XXIX
10. John Elway - Super Bowls XXXII and XXXIII
11. Trent Dilfer - Super Bowl XXXV
12. Ben Roethlisberger - Super Bowl XL and XLIII
13. Peyton Manning - Super Bowl XLI
14. Eli Manning - Super Bowl XLII

This was up to 2010. So add Rodgers and Eli again.

I'm not checking these, I just did a quick search.

First round QB's have won 25 of the 46 SB's. Over half of the SB"s played have been won by a first round QB. Of course the best quarterbacks, percentage wise, are drafted in the first round. So by that, your best chance at finding a Sb winning qb is in the first round.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Sounds like you are doing this to prop up your argument.


Do first round qb's have a better chance at winning SB's? Straight forward question?

I'm not doing it to prop my argument. I am trying to figure it out.

If you take away the names and the people and just look at the draft position of the quarterback? Yes, they do.

But... you have an even better chance than that of winning a Superbowl with a starting first round cornerback. For real... The odds are better and that's why I used it to mock this argument.

I know QBs are more important than CBs but, the stat is absolutely true. That is exactly why we have to look into this further.

The survey is biased if we count each player more than once. It doesn't tell the whole story. It's not representative.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 08:41 PM
All anyone has to do is search the posts. This has been discussed ad nauseam. Someone had already done the research
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Me.

Blackbob is a drooling, slobbering Mongo.

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:43 PM
Also dumbass, think about this.


In every game, there are how many starting Qb's vs starting CB's?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:43 PM
Most game managers who have won a super bowl were firsts
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Most first round corners in Superbowls weren't hall of famers. However, there were a ton of hall of fame cornerbacks on superbowl teams. It was really fascinating.

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:45 PM
For each 2 QB"s to start a SB game, there are 4 CB's who start. Of course your odds are gonna be better.

Deberg_1990
09-13-2012, 08:46 PM
So this year is SB 47.

1. Joe Namath - Super Bowl III
2. Bob Griese - Super Bowl VII and VIII
3. Terry Bradshaw - Super Bowls IX, X, XII, and XIII
4. Jim Plunkett - Super Bowls XV and XVIII
5. Jim McMahon - Super Bowl XX
6. Phil Simms - Super Bowl XXI
7. Doug Williams - Super Bowl XXII
8. Troy Aikman - Super Bowls XXVII, XXVIII, and XXX
9. Steve Young - Super Bowl XXIX
10. John Elway - Super Bowls XXXII and XXXIII
11. Trent Dilfer - Super Bowl XXXV
12. Ben Roethlisberger - Super Bowl XL and XLIII
13. Peyton Manning - Super Bowl XLI
14. Eli Manning - Super Bowl XLII

This was up to 2010. So add Rodgers and Eli again.

I'm not checking these, I just did a quick search.

First round QB's have won 25 of the 46 SB's. Over half of the SB"s played have been won by a first round QB. Of course the best quarterbacks, percentage wise, are drafted in the first round. So by that, your best chance at finding a Sb winning qb is in the first round.

Plus, you can basically count alot of the losing SB QBs as well....Marino.....Elway 3 times, Tarkenton, Staubach, Bradshaw, Kelly, etc....

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Also dumbass, think about this.


In every game, there are how many starting Qb's vs starting CB's?

You aren't really reading my posts above.

You're missing the point...

Look at the last ten years...

30% of first round QBs were successful

33% of first round CBs were successful

IT'S ALMOST THE SAME SUCCESS RATE

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Plus, you can basically count alot of the losing SB QBs as well....Marino.....Elway 3 times, Tarkenton, Staubach, Bradshaw, Kelly, etc....

I agree and I plan to do that for QBs and CBs... It will be interesting.

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 08:52 PM
Yeah but there is still a 70% chance that 1st round QB will bust. My goal is to find the single attribute or the combination of attributes that makes a QB most likely to be successful.

I believe it goes far beyond rounds and what is obvious to the eye.

You don't think corners bust in the first round??

Ever heard of Pac man Jones??

This guy...

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:52 PM
So now it's the last 10 years?


Who has a bigger input on winning a game? A guy who touches the football on every offensive snap, or a guy who likely doesn't touch the football the whole game?


How the hell is this even a conversation?

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:53 PM
How many of your teams in the OP are counting the same CB multiple times?

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:53 PM
How many CB's are drafted per year in the first vs QB's?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 08:55 PM
So this year is SB 47.

1. Joe Namath - Super Bowl III
2. Bob Griese - Super Bowl VII and VIII
3. Terry Bradshaw - Super Bowls IX, X, XII, and XIII
4. Jim Plunkett - Super Bowls XV and XVIII
5. Jim McMahon - Super Bowl XX
6. Phil Simms - Super Bowl XXI
7. Doug Williams - Super Bowl XXII
8. Troy Aikman - Super Bowls XXVII, XXVIII, and XXX
9. Steve Young - Super Bowl XXIX
10. John Elway - Super Bowls XXXII and XXXIII
11. Trent Dilfer - Super Bowl XXXV
12. Ben Roethlisberger - Super Bowl XL and XLIII
13. Peyton Manning - Super Bowl XLI
14. Eli Manning - Super Bowl XLII

This was up to 2010. So add Rodgers and Eli again.

I'm not checking these, I just did a quick search.

First round QB's have won 25 of the 46 SB's. Over half of the SB"s played have been won by a first round QB. Of course the best quarterbacks, percentage wise, are drafted in the first round. So by that, your best chance at finding a Sb winning qb is in the first round.


I am assuming this is the old post that some have been referring to and it is incorrect imo. It is exactly like I thought it would look like and my argument has never been made. I want to see what the comparison looks like when you count each qb only once. I will check it out tomorrow.

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:57 PM
I don't understand why you are taking away multiple winners? Doesn't that make it more likely you will draft a multiple SB winner in the first round than the other rounds?

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 08:58 PM
I am assuming this is the old post that some have been referring to and it is incorrect imo. It is exactly like I thought it would look like and my argument has never been made. I want to see what the comparison looks like when you count each qb only once. I will check it out tomorrow.

You're a fucking moron and no one cares about your stupid, baseless, moronic assumption but you.

O.city
09-13-2012, 08:59 PM
I am assuming this is the old post that some have been referring to and it is incorrect imo. It is exactly like I thought it would look like and my argument has never been made. I want to see what the comparison looks like when you count each qb only once. I will check it out tomorrow.

Hell, if anything, it shows that drafting a qb in the first round gives you a better chance of winning multiple SB's than any other round.

O.city
09-13-2012, 09:00 PM
You're a ****ing moron and no one cares about your stupid, baseless, moronic assumption but you.

I guess this is how he figures he wins all these arguments. Make stupid shit posts that make no sense, that people can't understand and say you win?

ChiefsCountry
09-13-2012, 09:00 PM
I am assuming this is the old post that some have been referring to and it is incorrect imo. It is exactly like I thought it would look like and my argument has never been made. I want to see what the comparison looks like when you count each qb only once. I will check it out tomorrow.

Here you stupid fucker.
http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/02/03/analyzing-super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks/

notorious
09-13-2012, 09:03 PM
I can't believe you guys are still commenting on this garbage.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:07 PM
You don't think corners bust in the first round??

Ever heard of Pac man Jones??

This guy...

67% of them busted in the last 10 yearrs. i have said it a couple of times. What are you missing?

How many of your teams in the OP are counting the same CB multiple times?

A bunch of them. Just like the 1st round QB stat you wrote. I counted the same guys more than once.

So now it's the last 10 years?


Who has a bigger input on winning a game? A guy who touches the football on every offensive snap, or a guy who likely doesn't touch the football the whole game?


How the hell is this even a conversation?

Ten years is doable research for a married father of two! LMAO In the past ten years, 39 CBs and 30 QBs have gone in the first round. 33% of those CBs had success and 30% of the QBs had success.

Quarterbacks have a bigger influence and I have stated that a couple of times in the thread. However, that's not the argument here. It's about stats and odds. Your argument is that you are more likely to win a Superbowl with a 1st round QB right? Research shows that you are more likely to win a Superbowl with a first round CB. That's my point.

The study is flawed. First round QBs aren't the end all be all. There is more to it. It's an extremely valid conversation that hasn't been argued yet.

Chief Roundup
09-13-2012, 09:08 PM
Make what ever argument you want about this. Sincerely have fun with it now matter how ridiculous it is.
We all know and agree that the NFL is a Quarterback Driven league. So then in a tactical strategy that would make a Passer Rusher the next most important position. After that it would be LT and then CB maybe I don't think so but.
But the biggest fact of all in your trivial stat comparison is that whatever the league was a few years ago and earlier doesn't matter because the league has changed and if you don't have a franchise or better QB you are toast.

What might be the best contrast would be how many none 1st rounders have won a SB that were QBs and CB's

O.city
09-13-2012, 09:09 PM
67% of them busted in the last 10 yearrs. i have said it a couple of times. What are you missing?



A bunch of them. Just like the 1st round QB stat you wrote. I counted the same guys more than once.



Ten years is doable research for a married father of two! LMAO In the past ten years, 39 CBs and 30 QBs have gone in the first round. 33% of those CBs had success and 30% of the QBs had success.

Quarterbacks have a bigger influence and I have stated that a couple of times in the thread. However, that's not the argument here. It's about stats and odds. Your argument is that you are more likely to win a Superbowl with a 1st round QB right? Research shows that you are more likely to win a Superbowl with a first round CB. That's my point.

The study is flawed. First round QBs aren't the end all be all. There is more to it. It's an extremely valid conversation that hasn't been argued yet.

Your study is flawed. You said yourself you counted some of the CB's multiple times and the QB's once.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 09:10 PM
Okay, once and for, DumbassBob:

A corner does NOT touch the ball on every defensive play or series. A cornerback isn't responsible for the entire defense. Excellent cornerbacks are rarely challenged, period.

Comparing the cornerback position to the quarterback position beyond fucking retarded. There is absolutely no correlation between the two positions.

Now kindly, shut the fuck up.

O.city
09-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Also, like I said earlier, by having 2 CB's on the field at once, you have a 50% higher chance of having a first round CB than a QB.

O.city
09-13-2012, 09:13 PM
In the last ten years, how many first round CB's have won SB's? Who are they?

If they won multiple SB's, you've stated that only counts as 1.

O.city
09-13-2012, 09:15 PM
Also, if you are gonna count the pro bowl as something to classify a player as being a good player, I'm pretty much done with this argument.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 09:16 PM
Also, if you are gonna count the pro bowl as something to classify a player as being a good player, I'm pretty much done with this argument.

There is no argument.

BlackBob is a dumbass.

SNR
09-13-2012, 09:18 PM
Why does this retard still have green squares?

If I find out Detoxing and Sofa King are the ones supplying him with all the rep for being a trollmaster, I will punch them both in the dick

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:19 PM
Make what ever argument you want about this. Sincerely have fun with it now matter how ridiculous it is.
We all know and agree that the NFL is a Quarterback Driven league. So then in a tactical strategy that would make a Passer Rusher the next most important position. After that it would be LT and then CB maybe I don't think so but.
But the biggest fact of all in your trivial stat comparison is that whatever the league was a few years ago and earlier doesn't matter because the league has changed and if you don't have a franchise or better QB you are toast.

What might be the best contrast would be how many none 1st rounders have won a SB that were QBs and CB's


That's why i am referencing the last ten years success rates. If you paid attention, you would see that the difference between CBs and QBs in the last decade is 3%.


Your study is flawed. You said yourself you counted some of the CB's multiple times and the QB's once.


Dammit dude, fucking listen to what I am saying. I have NOT counted the QBs once yet. The notes are at my work. The QBs and CBs were counted multiple times.


Also, like I said earlier, by having 2 CB's on the field at once, you have a 50% higher chance of having a first round CB than a QB.


It's got nothing to do with how many are on the field. it has to do with how many are taken in the first round and their succes rate. It's about stats....


Okay, once and for, DumbassBob:

A corner does NOT touch the ball on every defensive play or series. A cornerback isn't responsible for the entire defense. Excellent cornerbacks are rarely challenged, period.

Comparing the cornerback position to the quarterback position beyond ****ing retarded. There is absolutely no correlation between the two positions.

Now kindly, shut the **** up.


This is one of those ironic posts I was talking about. With all due respect, I think this is beyond your comprehesion my friend.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:21 PM
Here you stupid ****er.
http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/02/03/analyzing-super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks/

This is a decent link and closer to what I am talking about. I have to go to bed but will look more into this in the morning. :thumb:

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 09:25 PM
In the last ten years, how many first round CB's have won SB's? Who are they?



There hasn't been one first round CB playing CB on a Super Bowl in a least 10 years (Charles Woodson was a former CB for the Packers in 2010).

The last first round cornerback that was a member of a Super Bowl team was Chris McAlister of the Baltimore Ravens.

Compare that to first round QB's that have won the Super Bowl.

Now, BlackBob, shut the fuck up.

lewdog
09-13-2012, 09:25 PM
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 09:25 PM
This is one of those ironic posts I was talking about. With all due respect, I think this is beyond your comprehesion my friend.

LMAO

SNR
09-13-2012, 09:26 PM
A fucking 2 year-old with Down's Syndrome could detect the flaw in your logic, Bob.

Are you hugging this fallacy just to be cute? What? What are you trying to prove? You don't actually believe your evidence reasonably supports what you're arguing, do you?

Dear Jesus, please tell me you're just trolling. I might shoot myself in the fucking face if there actually exists a human being as fucking stupid as you.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 09:27 PM
A fucking 2 year-old with Down's Syndrome could detect the flaw in your logic, Bob.

Are you hugging this fallacy just to be cute? What? What are you trying to prove? You don't actually believe your evidence reasonably supports what you're arguing, do you?

Dear Jesus, please tell me you're just trolling. I might shoot myself in the fucking face if there actually exists a human being as fucking stupid as you.

I've already proven it to not only be false, but baseless drivel.

The guy is an attention whore, the likes of which we haven't seen since GoChiefs joined back in 2003.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:33 PM
There hasn't been one first round CB playing CB on a Super Bowl in a least 10 years (Charles Woodson was a former CB for the Packers in 2010).

The last first round cornerback that was a member of a Super Bowl team was Chris McAlister of the Baltimore Ravens.

Compare that to first round QB's that have won the Super Bowl.

Now, BlackBob, shut the **** up.

LMAO

I have my list at work but, Woodson was a starting CB in 2010. He is officially listed as the LCB. What about Ty Law? You know, McAllister wasn't even the only first rounder on the Ravens. Them and the 94' Niners were the only two with 2 firsts I think. However, I only counted them once for this sample.

When I figure the adjusted QB stats tomorrow, I will also adjust the CB stats and hopefully prove they are still relative.

Sorter
09-13-2012, 09:34 PM
BlackBob is the same dumb mother fucker who tried telling everyone that A) Dexter was quicker than Jamaal Charles, B) Siler is a better tackler than DJ, C) We run a fucking 3-3-5.

The guy is an idiot.

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 09:34 PM
Why does this guy keep bringing up corner backs like we give a shit? Dude Corner Backs are NOT as important as quarterbacks. Give it up already.

Sorter
09-13-2012, 09:34 PM
Woodson plays SS now. Not corner.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 09:36 PM
LMAO

I have my list at work but, Woodson was a starting CB in 2010. He is officially listed as the LCB. What about Ty Law? You know, McAllister wasn't even the only first rounder on the Ravens. Them and the 94' Niners were the only two with 2 firsts I think. However, I only counted them once for this sample.

When I figure the adjusted QB stats tomorrow, I will also adjust the CB stats and hopefully prove they are still relative.

Having a first round CB proves absolutely nothing. It's like saying you need a first round running back to win the Super Bowl, which of course, is wrong.

THE most important football player on the field is the Quarterback. Period, end of story.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:36 PM
A ****ing 2 year-old with Down's Syndrome could detect the flaw in your logic, Bob.

Are you hugging this fallacy just to be cute? What? What are you trying to prove? You don't actually believe your evidence reasonably supports what you're arguing, do you?

Dear Jesus, please tell me you're just trolling. I might shoot myself in the ****ing face if there actually exists a human being as ****ing stupid as you.

There are people reading this who are absorbing what I am saying and understand it. They also understand that you guys are to stupid to understand it.

That's the God honest truth bro. You can call me an idiot or whatever you want 5,000 times but it doesn't matter because I am right and you can't comprehend.

I'm not being a dick. I am just trying to save you from yourself.

SNR
09-13-2012, 09:37 PM
Woodson plays SS now. Not corner.

Sophistry /BlackBoob

SNR
09-13-2012, 09:38 PM
There are people reading this who are absorbing what I am saying and understand it. They also understand that you guys are to stupid to understand it.

That's the God honest truth bro. You can call me an idiot or whatever you want 5,000 times but it doesn't matter because I am right and you can't comprehend.

I'm not being a dick. I am just trying to save you from yourself.Okay, good. You're a troll.

Phew. That was a close on there. I had the gun in my mouth and everything.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 09:38 PM
There are people reading this who are absorbing what I am saying and understand it. They also understand that you guys are to stupid to understand it.

That's the God honest truth bro. You can call me an idiot or whatever you want 5,000 times but it doesn't matter because I am right and you can't comprehend.

I'm not being a dick. I am just trying to save you from yourself.

JFC, you need to visit a shrink.

So much denial.

Sorter
09-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Sophistry /BlackBoob

ROFL

L.A. Chieffan
09-13-2012, 09:41 PM
BlackBob is the same dumb mother fucker who tried telling everyone that A) Dexter was quicker than Jamaal Charles, B) Siler is a better tackler than DJ, C) We run a fucking 3-3-5.

The guy is an idiot.

Apparently he thinks corner is the most important position on the team too.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Woodson has been a safety for a quite a while, Dumbass.

Having a first round CB proves absolutely nothing. It's like saying you need a first round running back to win the Super Bowl, which of course, is wrong.

THE most important football player on the field is the Quarterback. Period, end of story.

The most important position is the QB. I understand that. What does that have to do with this argument? This argument is about whether or not a first round QB is the key to superbowl victory. Is that a valid tool for evaluating the success potential for a QB?

Charles Woodson is listed as the starting LCB . He moved around but he mostly played LCB at that time. This is the FIRST season that Charles Woodson has ONLY played Safety.

:doh!: The more you talk, the worse you look man.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:44 PM
Apparently he thinks corner is the most important position on the team too.

LMAO Goodnight all LOL

Sorter
09-13-2012, 09:44 PM
Apparently he thinks corner is the most important position on the team too.


Yeah, he's just fucking hopeless.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-13-2012, 09:45 PM
BlackBob is the same dumb mother ****er who tried telling everyone that A) Dexter was quicker than Jamaal Charles, B) Siler is a better tackler than DJ, C) We run a ****ing 3-3-5.

The guy is an idiot.

LMAO

Woodson plays safety now? You don't say. :LOL:

Sorter
09-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Charles Woodson is listed as the starting LCB .

.

Once again, wrong you fucking imbecile. Here is some logic you fuck

http://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart.html

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthchart?team=GB

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/gb/formation/3-4-defense

Their website lists him as SS, as well as the other 2 links. GTFO troll.

Inmem58
09-13-2012, 09:51 PM
This thread has gone on way too long. Send his ass back to CC already.

Unsmooth-Moment
09-13-2012, 10:08 PM
You guys get trolled way to easy.. Who gives a f*** what this guy says?

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2012, 10:23 PM
The most important position is the QB. I understand that. What does that have to do with this argument? This argument is about whether or not a first round QB is the key to superbowl victory. Is that a valid tool for evaluating the success potential for a QB?

Charles Woodson is listed as the starting LCB . He moved around but he mostly played LCB at that time. This is the FIRST season that Charles Woodson has ONLY played Safety.

:doh!: The more you talk, the worse you look man.

Okay, BIG FUCKING DEAL! ONE first round cornerback since the Ravens won the Super Bowl after the 2000 season got a Super Bowl ring.

And besides that, you raging fucking dickfoot, Woodson wasn't even drafted by the Packers.

NOW, shut the fuck up.

-King-
09-13-2012, 10:26 PM
174 posts in this dumbasses thread.

Way to legitimize his stupidity guys.

SNR
09-13-2012, 10:42 PM
174 posts in this dumbasses thread.

Way to legitimize his stupidity guys.

Like Dane already said, BlackBob is just a giant attention whore. And it's too difficult to perform crowd control in an environment such as this. The solution eliminating this wet fart is simple, but it's still counterintuitive.

Have you ever had a really nasty rash that needs to be left alone in order to heal, but scratching it is just so damn satisfying?

That's this thread.

Joe Seahawk
09-13-2012, 10:46 PM
Look at this sick pick by Richard Sherman 5th rounder 6' 4" from Stanford.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1IzlGU8cyj0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

mcaj22
09-13-2012, 10:53 PM
Look at this sick pick by Richard Sherman 5th rounder 6' 4" from Stanford.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1IzlGU8cyj0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

yea too bad your offense is dogshit

BossChief
09-13-2012, 11:14 PM
I thought FOR SURE that BlackBob just misspelled the thread title and that this was just another qb thread that had went to a third page because some new evidence was brought forth.

Never in a million years would I think that this level of dumb would be on display and that it would be in earnest.

Just, WOW.

Joe Seahawk
09-13-2012, 11:16 PM
yea too bad your offense is dogshit

We need recievers.. Good running game , developing QB (hopefully) and very young OL. We'll only get better.

BossChief
09-13-2012, 11:20 PM
They also understand that you guys are to stupid to understand it.
It NEVER fails.

Ultra Peanut
09-14-2012, 01:22 AM
thread is joke

yes?

DaneMcCloud
09-14-2012, 01:29 AM
We need recievers.. Good running game , developing QB (hopefully) and very young OL. We'll only get better.

And don't forget: A first round cornerback.

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-14-2012, 01:47 AM
WTF? He isn't black? Ban this fucker now! :cuss:


His name isn't Bob either

Chiefnj2
09-14-2012, 05:13 AM
Fish and Game is going to come around and fine Blackbob. He's got way over his limit.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-14-2012, 06:07 AM
thread is joke

yes?

Yes, it's a parody.

Once again, wrong you ****ing imbecile. Here is some logic you ****

http://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart.html

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthchart?team=GB

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/gb/formation/3-4-defense

Their website lists him as SS, as well as the other 2 links. GTFO troll.

Great work and I agree! I always have dumbass! He's a safety now! He was a CB in 2010! When they won the Super Pooper! You guys do this to yourselves.... I keep trying to tell you to read what I'm saying.

Apparently he thinks corner is the most important position on the team too.

Please just stop typing. I feel sorry for you man. I'm being serious.

Like Dane already said, BlackBob is just a giant attention whore. And it's too difficult to perform crowd control in an environment such as this. The solution eliminating this wet fart is simple, but it's still counterintuitive.

Have you ever had a really nasty rash that needs to be left alone in order to heal, but scratching it is just so damn satisfying?

That's this thread.

I don't care about attention. I am just making an argument. If you don't like what I am saying, why respond?

Look at this sick pick by Richard Sherman 5th rounder 6' 4" from Stanford.


I had him in my mock last year. He was the most impressive player at the senior bowl in 2011 imo. I really wanted that guy. He was a good pick.

I thought FOR SURE that BlackBob just misspelled the thread title and that this was just another qb thread that had went to a third page because some new evidence was brought forth.

Never in a million years would I think that this level of dumb would be on display and that it would be in earnest.

Just, WOW.

You're right Boss. I should submit every OP to you before I start a thread. In fact, everyone should. It is obvious that you have a great eye for quality around here. If it wasn't for your comments and post evaluation, know one here would have any idea what to read.

In my findings, if you didn't start the thread, then it sucks.

I gotta get to work this morning but will be back this afternoon.

O.city
09-14-2012, 07:00 AM
There are people reading this who are absorbing what I am saying and understand it. They also understand that you guys are to stupid to understand it.

That's the God honest truth bro. You can call me an idiot or whatever you want 5,000 times but it doesn't matter because I am right and you can't comprehend.

I'm not being a dick. I am just trying to save you from yourself.

Who is absorbing this?

htismaqe
09-14-2012, 07:04 AM
Look at this sick pick by Richard Sherman 5th rounder 6' 4" from Stanford.

Richard Sherman.

Sounds like a high school math teacher.

htismaqe
09-14-2012, 07:11 AM
Have to give HackJob credit...this is the most creative backhanded defense of Matt Cassel I've ever seen.

notorious
09-14-2012, 07:37 AM
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=27884,filename=Fire_Window_Fall.gif

DJKid
09-14-2012, 08:40 AM
quick question, out of the 1st round corners that won superbowls, how many of them were on teams that also had a 1st round qb? I think that would cut down you percent quite a bit

SNR
09-14-2012, 09:06 AM
Bob, a question:

Have you ever met a single person in your entire life who agrees with your take on McCluster, Siler, and/or this retarded Cassel defense? Online or in real life, it doesn't matter.

If that answer is "No," don't you think there might be something wrong with you? There's such a thing as independent thinking, and there's also such a thing as spouting shit that doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-14-2012, 11:05 AM
What's the point in drafting a WR @ 1 with Cassel at the helm?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-14-2012, 12:24 PM
Bob, a question:

Have you ever met a single person in your entire life who agrees with your take on McCluster, Siler, and/or this retarded Cassel defense? Online or in real life, it doesn't matter.

If that answer is "No," don't you think there might be something wrong with you? There's such a thing as independent thinking, and there's also such a thing as spouting shit that doesn't make any ****ing sense.

Honestly, no, I haven't. I live far from KC and get up there about once every ten years. I scout players as a hobby. I spent quite a bit of timing watching Siler and McCluster in college. I understand that the pros are different but, I have also watched them in the pros. I believe in my scouting and I bet you believe in your eyes to.

Brandon Siler is a very good fundamental tackler. He might even be the best tackler on the Chiefs roster. I bet his name would pop up if RAC mentioned the top two or three tacklers. In my opinion, I gave supporting evidence to back this up. I'm not concerned that you think my ideas are dumb.

It's the same thing with Dex. I don't think his college game translated to the pros. He should never be a RB in the pros imo. We shouldn't see anymore HB screens or draws to McCluster. There is too much tape for that to work anymore. He's going to be good in the slot. I am confident you will see his moves. Charles is a very fast runner with excellent straight line speed. He is agile and can make people miss but he no where near being the most agile back in the league or anything. Watch his body when he runs. He stands almost straight up. Watch someone like Chris Johnson or McFadden run and then watch Charles. They aren't as stiff. McCluster is more agile than he is fast. He's different than Charles. He's closer to Dante Hall than any player we have ever had. What is interesting is the Dante was also drafted as a RB and he didn't do anything until he moved to WR.

I believe RAC and some of the players would share my opinion. I've been watching the game for a long long time and I think my opinions about these guys are valid.

You don't see me going around and putting the "start Stanzi" people's comments and ideas in their faces still. They said that stuff a long time ago just like me about McCluster and Siler.

Just chill dude. I think you will be suprised.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-14-2012, 12:26 PM
quick question, out of the 1st round corners that won superbowls, how many of them were on teams that also had a 1st round qb? I think that would cut down you percent quite a bit

Fifteen

O.city
09-14-2012, 12:29 PM
So first round CBS who won SBS on teams that have a first round qb shouldnt count

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-14-2012, 12:34 PM
So first round CBS who won SBS on teams that have a first round qb shouldnt count

Why?

htismaqe
09-14-2012, 12:35 PM
So first round CBS who won SBS on teams that have a first round qb shouldnt count

You've got it backwards. QBs on teams with a first round CB shouldn't count, duh.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-14-2012, 12:36 PM
18 different 1st round CBs won at least one Superbowl

15 diferent 1st round QBs won at least one Superbowl

You are still more likely to win a Superbowl with a first round corner.

You've got it backwards. QBs on teams with a first round CB shouldn't count, duh.

LOL

O.city
09-14-2012, 12:37 PM
Multiple SB winning first round qbs get thrown down and only counted as one SB win, because it helps your argument numbers in Your favor but something that hurts them dosn t count? Gotcha

O.city
09-14-2012, 12:40 PM
Drafting a quarterback in the first round gives you a 10 % chance of winning multiple SB's.

MrNightly
09-14-2012, 12:42 PM
Very interesting concept... Thanks for taking the time to post logically, even if it is outside the box.

Why all the hate? not really sure. Guess people just like to bitch and complain about the same old stuff day in and day out. I, for one, find this thread very interesting and thought provoking.

After all, isn't that the entire point of a "message board?" To post thoughts, and let everyone have an opinion? Guess we are back in High School and if you don't fit in with the "Cool" kids, your opinion is stupid.... hmmm, where are those cool kids now anyways from High School? Oh that's right, working for guys like you and me! :D

|Zach|
09-14-2012, 12:43 PM
BlackBob embarrassed himself here.

O.city
09-14-2012, 12:44 PM
I asked this yesterday, with no answer. List the first round CB's who have won SB's the last 10 years.

|Zach|
09-14-2012, 12:47 PM
Very interesting concept... Thanks for taking the time to post logically, even if it is outside the box.

Why all the hate? not really sure. Guess people just like to bitch and complain about the same old stuff day in and day out. I, for one, find this thread very interesting and thought provoking.

After all, isn't that the entire point of a "message board?" To post thoughts, and let everyone have an opinion? Guess we are back in High School and if you don't fit in with the "Cool" kids, your opinion is stupid.... hmmm, where are those cool kids now anyways from High School? Oh that's right, working for guys like you and me! :D

You really thought you had a good point here didn't you.

MrNightly
09-14-2012, 12:48 PM
You really thought you had a good point here didn't you.

I did indeed! :D

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-14-2012, 12:57 PM
28 Quarterbacks have won a Superbowl

13 Quarterbacks that were not taken in the first round won at least one Superbowl

vs.

15 first round Quarterbacks won at least one Superbowl



46% of Superbowl winning Quarterbacks were not taken in the first round

54% of Superbowl winning Quarterbacks were taken in the first round

You are more likely to win a Superbowl with a first round QB. However, the difference isn't much. The relative percent difference (RPD) is only 14%. Therefore, my conclusion is that suggesting first round quarterbacks are the key to succes based on Superbowl victories is a flawed method. If the RPD were over 20%, there would be an argument. However, it is not. In fact, you could almost say it will never exceed 20%.

O.city
09-14-2012, 01:02 PM
Some of the first round guys have won multiple SB's. So take the name away, just view it as a separate guy.


Also, look at your number of Qbs drafted in the first round vs. guys drafted in rounds 2-7. It's all about odds. Your odds of drafting a SB winning Qb are substantially better in the first than the other rounds.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-14-2012, 04:52 PM
Trollolololololololo

JoeyChuckles
09-14-2012, 05:30 PM
24 hours later and people still aren't understanding the parody in this parody thread. That has to be a record.