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HonestChieffan
09-16-2012, 09:47 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9544638/Obamas-foreign-policy-of-reconciliation-lies-in-tatters.html

Better analysis than anything from US media

qabbaan
09-16-2012, 10:05 AM
Nail - head.

Appeasers appease the shark hoping it will eat them last. Often it doesn't even work out that way.

Reaper16
09-16-2012, 10:12 AM
That article seems to imply that there wasn't Middle East-related violence seen under any President's watch between Carter and Obama, which is odd.

Not to mention Obama's continuation, even strengthening, of W. anti-terrorism tactics such as drone killings, rendition, "advanced interrogation," etc.

So... are words then more powerful than actions? Is Obama's so-called apologetic rhetoric overpowering his aggressive military actions? Or were these W. policies just really bad at making America appear strong?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2012, 10:43 AM
That article seems to imply that there wasn't Middle East-related violence seen under any President's watch between Carter and Obama, which is odd.

Not to mention Obama's continuation, even strengthening, of W. anti-terrorism tactics such as drone killings, rendition, "advanced interrogation," etc.

So... are words then more powerful than actions? Is Obama's so-called apologetic rhetoric overpowering his aggressive military actions? Or were these W. policies just really bad at making America appear strong?

I know right? some peeps don't get it, we need to come home away from that hellhole.

mikey23545
09-16-2012, 02:40 PM
I find it unbelievable that the embassy attacks have already consigned to the back pages by Hussein's lapdog mainstream media.

If this was a Republican administration they would be howling for investigations from the front page every day.

The lead news story on every network would consist of "What did he know, and when did he know it? How could he have had warnings about the attacks and done nothing? How was there not an elevated threat level on 9-11? He skips most of his security briefings to go begging for money, why is he not being held responsible?"

The only reference you can find on the attacks are mentions of Romney's so-called "gaffe"...

Absolutely shameful.

La literatura
09-16-2012, 03:00 PM
I find it unbelievable that the embassy attacks have already consigned to the back pages by Hussein's lapdog mainstream media.

Is this like the time when you found NBC Rock Center's special on Mormonism absolutely shameful? Because there is literally two pages on this story on the front page of the N.Y. Times today, which is the bastion of establishment liberal media.

There are also front page stories on the Washington Post, LA Times, and it was the major story on Meet the Press this morning.

stevieray
09-16-2012, 03:06 PM
Absolutely shameful.

morally bankrupt

|Zach|
09-16-2012, 03:54 PM
Is this like the time when you found NBC Rock Center's special on Mormonism absolutely shameful? Because there is literally two pages on this story on the front page of the N.Y. Times today, which is the bastion of establishment liberal media.

There are also front page stories on the Washington Post, LA Times, and it was the major story on Meet the Press this morning.

Mikey doesn't know what to do with himself if he isn't the victim of some conspiracy.

LiveSteam
09-16-2012, 11:05 PM
Al-Qaeda Spokesman Adam Gadahn: Obama’s Islamic Outreach a Bald-Faced Lie (Video)

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Comrade Crapski
09-16-2012, 11:11 PM
Once he gets back to Cairo to make another speech, all will be well.

lostcause
09-17-2012, 01:17 AM
Out of curiosity, whose foreign policy initiatives are currently better than what Obama is trotting out?

Comrade Crapski
09-17-2012, 07:37 AM
http://moonbattery.com/Wright-Winger.jpg

HonestChieffan
09-17-2012, 07:54 AM
Out of curiosity, whose foreign policy initiatives are currently better than what Obama is trotting out?


Currently Obama is the President. Thusly, no on else, currently, gets to set policy.

patteeu
09-17-2012, 08:04 AM
Out of curiosity, whose foreign policy initiatives are currently better than what Obama is trotting out?

We had several administrations between Carter and Obama. Pick one.

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 08:26 AM
Obama has been worse on war or using violence than Bush. Keep dreamin' though. That desert sand is a great place to bury your heads.

Comrade Crapski
09-17-2012, 09:13 AM
A full day after the U.S. ambassador to Libya was brutally killed by a Muslim mob, another mob attacked Mitt Romney. While armed only with pens and notebooks, the cabal meant to inflict the same outcome on the Republican’s presidential campaign.

Protecting and defending President Obama through his failures and blunders and gaffes is a full-time job for America’s mainstream press corps — and they’re getting worried. So, they attacked the GOP nominee for his reaction to the U.S. Embassy in Egypt’s statement condemning “the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.”

Was that “appropriate”? “Mixed signal”? “Jumped the gun”? Seven of eight questions were on his statement. It was an another embarrassing day for the national media, and the slap-down was short-lived; within 48 hours, the Middle East and North Africa were in full-blown crisis, and details began to pour out about all the administration had done wrong leading up to the first killing of a U.S. ambassador since the one term of Jimmy Carter.

The U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, it turned out, was barely guarded; the mob easily breached security and swarmed in. Worse, a U.K. newspaper reported, “the U.S. State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and ‘lockdown.’”

In the days following the killing, the White House scrambled to pin blame on something or someone — anything but them. White House spokesman Jay Carney said the violence in Egypt and Libya was “in response to a video, a film we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting,” referring to a YouTube video, “The Innocence of Muslims.”

Of course, the claim was preposterous. That Muslims would suddenly swarm U.S. embassies over a short film posted in July is absurd. Most likely to blame: the killing in a drone strike in Pakistan of Mohammed Hassan Qaed, a top al Qaeda leader from Libya. In fact, the Washington Guardian reported Saturday that less than 24 hours before the Libya attack, “U.S. intelligence learned of a new 42-minute video in which al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri implored Libyans to rise up against Americans” and avenge the death of another al Qaeda member.

Within days, protests at U.S. embassies had spread to Britain, Jerusalem, Iraq, Iran, Tunisia, Sudan, Nigeria, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, India, Germany — even Australia. This wasn’t over some YouTube film.

Mr. Obama had claimed much credit for the so-called “sweep of democracy” during the Arab Spring, when mobs rose up to overthrow governments in North Africa, along with a new respect for America. In February, he said, “One of the proudest things of my three years in office is helping to restore a sense of respect for America around the world, a belief that we are not just defined by the size of our military.”

Now, in a puff of smoke, all that is gone. Egypt, taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood, is violently targeting America. (When the president, in another foreign-policy blunder, said Egypt was neither ally nor enemy, none other than Mr. Carter corrected him, saying, “Egypt is a friend.”) Libya— of which, after the killing of Moammar Gaddafi by rebels, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton proudly boasted with a laugh “we came, we saw, he died” — appears lost to U.S.-hating extremists. And Muslims across the world are burning effigies of Mr. Obama — the Nobel Peace Prize winner with the “secret kill lists.”

Missing in all the Q&A from America’s top reporters was this simple fact: An American ambassador was killed — on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

By week’s end, no doubt at the order of the White House, the State Department clammed up completely. “We have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans. We are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this happened — not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador [J. Christopher] Stevens, not any of it — until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation … ,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. So stop asking.

Mr. Obama can make no claim of helping the U.S. economy during his four years in office: In fact, things are worse than they were. And now, the Arab Spring is turning into the Arab Winter — despite his pledge that “the day I’m inaugurated, not only does the country look at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently.”

Boy, he wasn’t kidding about that one.



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Amnorix
09-17-2012, 12:39 PM
The simple fact is that Islam has had an increasingly vocal, vociferous and violent minority faction that has been increasingly effective for about the last 40 years or so. It's a damn shame.

Hate to break it to you, but Obama can't control the trajectory of what a bunch of nutjobs do and don't do any more than Bush could. Or Clinton or Reagan or Carter.

This isn't some short term issue -- this seemingly will be a struggle that the US will be engaged in for the rest of our lifetimes.