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gblowfish
09-17-2012, 10:20 AM
Here's the laundry list of all the players who have started a game at QB for the Chiefs.

List includes only on true HOF guy who spent his prime with the Chiefs (Dawson), two other eventual HOF guys who spent their prime with other teams (Montana and Moon) a shitload of journeymen (DeBerg, Green, Bono, Grbac, etc.) and a bunch of stiffs (Fuller, Thigpen, Palko).

Just reading it kind of pisses me off. Has any other team been worse at QB since 1975? Maybe Cleveland or Detroit. That's all I can think of.

() shows number of games started during the season, season went to 16 games in 1978:

1960 Cotton Davidson (13) / Hunter Enis (1)
1961 Cotton Davidson (12) / Randy Duncan (2)
1962 Len Dawson (14)
1963 Len Dawson (13) / Eddie Wilson (1)
1964 Len Dawson (14)
1965 Len Dawson (12) / Pete Beathard (2)
1966 Len Dawson (14)
1967 Len Dawson (14)
1968 Len Dawson (13) / Jacky Lee (1)
1969 Len Dawson (7) / Jacky Lee (1) / Mike Livingston (6)
1970 Len Dawson (12) / Mike Livingston (2)
1971 Len Dawson (13) / Mike Livingston (1)
1972 Len Dawson (12) / Mike Livingston (2)
1973 Mike Livingston (8) / Len Dawson (6)
1974 Len Dawson (8) / Mike Livingston (6)
1975 Mike Livingston (7) / Len Dawson (5) / Tony Adams (2)
1976 Mike Livingston (14)
1977 Mike Livingston (11) / Tony Adams (3)
1978 Mike Livingston (14) / Tony Adams (2)
1979 Steve Fuller (12) / Mike Livingston (4)
1980 Steve Fuller (13) / Bill Kenney (3)
1981 Bill Kenney (13) / Steve Fuller (3)
1982 Bill Kenney (6) / Steve Fuller (3) (Strike Season)
1983 Bill Kenney (16)
1984 Todd Blackledge (8) / Bill Kenney (8)
1985 Todd Blackledge (6) / Bill Kenney (10)
1986 Bill Kenney (8) / Todd Blackledge (8)
1987 Bill Kenney (8) / Todd Blackledge (2) /Matt Stevens (2) Frank Seurer (2) / Doug Hudson (1)
1988 Steve DeBerg (11) / Bill Kenney (5)
1989 Steve DeBerg (10) / Ron Jaworski (3) / Steve Pelluer (3)
1990 Steve DeBerg (16)
1991 Steve DeBerg (15) / Mark Vlasic (1)
1992 Dave Krieg (16)
1993 Joe Montana (11) / Dave Krieg (5)
1994 Joe Montana (14) / Steve Bono (2)
1995 Steve Bono (16)
1996 Steve Bono (13) / Rich Gannon (3)
1997 Elvis Grbac (10) / Rich Gannon (6)
1998 Rich Gannon (10) / Elvis Grbac (6)
1999 Elvis Grbac (16)
2000 Elvis Grbac (15) / Warren Moon (1)
2001 Trent Green (16)
2002 Trent Green (16)
2003 Trent Green (16)
2004 Trent Green (16)
2005 Trent Green (16)
2006 Trent Green (8) / Damon Huard (8)
2007 Damon Huard (10) / Brodie Croyle (6)
2008 Tyler Thigpen (11) / Damon Huard (3) / Brodie Croyle (2)
2009 Matt Cassel (15) / Brodie Croyle (1)
2010 Matt Cassel (15) / Brodie Croyle (1)
2011 Matt Cassel (9) / Tyler Palko (4) / Kyle Orton (3)

Deberg_1990
09-17-2012, 10:25 AM
75 year old Moon started a game for us? I remember him backing up, but donít remember the game. Anything memorable?

Count Alex's Losses
09-17-2012, 10:28 AM
75-85 is painful

07-12 has been bad and will be just as bad if we don't make a move on Matt ASAP

and when I say "move" I mean excommunication.

siberian khatru
09-17-2012, 10:29 AM
75 year old Moon started a game for us? I remember him backing up, but donít remember the game. Anything memorable?

Pretty sure that was @ SD when Grbac's pinky hurt.

IIRC, Moon had one of the worst displays of QBing I've ever seen. And we would've won the game had we just competent QBing.

Count Alex's Losses
09-17-2012, 10:31 AM
Who do you old timers hate more: Bill Kenney or Matt Cassel?

From what I have read they could be practically indistinguishable.

siberian khatru
09-17-2012, 10:32 AM
Yep, we lost 17-16 to a previously winless Chargers team.

Moon was 12 of 31 for 130 yards, no TDs, one INT.

SD had five turnovers and won.

L.A. Chieffan
09-17-2012, 10:33 AM
One more Pro Bowl for Cassell and he'll be tied with the franchise lead.

siberian khatru
09-17-2012, 10:33 AM
Who do you old timers hate more: Bill Kenney or Matt Cassel?

From what I have read they could be practically indistinguishable.

BOTH WERE PRO BOWLERS

lcarus
09-17-2012, 10:58 AM
This list is fucking sad.

Deberg_1990
09-17-2012, 11:00 AM
This list is ****ing sad.

Keep doubting Tony Adams...

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 11:00 AM
so let me get this straight

Trent Green is the only QB to start MULTIPLE 16 game seasons for us. And that dude wasnt even that durable early in his career.

that is fucking sad

gblowfish
09-17-2012, 11:05 AM
Who do you old timers hate more: Bill Kenney or Matt Cassel?

From what I have read they could be practically indistinguishable.

I had this conversation with a couple of my "Old Timer" Chiefs pals driving to Mizzou over the weekend.

This was our take:

1) In Kenney's corner: He was a Mr. Irrelevant. So nobody expected much of him when he came in. You can argue he over achieved for who he was. During most of his years, the Chiefs were mediocre. Not God Awful, but mediocre. Usually they'd finish anywhere from 6-10 to 8-8. They'd usually go zero for October, then as soon as they were mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, go on a tear and win just enough to assure a middle of the pack draft pick -and perpetuate their cycle of mediocrity. Kenney has a notoriously bad offensive line for most of his Chiefs career.

2) In Cassel's corner: He was basically a career backup in college and in the NFL before he came here. Things were expected of him, however, when Pioli paid him $60 mill to come here from New England. Cassel's had five different OCs and two different HCs in four years, so the "system" he plays in changes like dirty underwear. Cassel's had a notoriously bad offensive line for most of his time here.

Injury:

1) Kenney was, without a doubt, the toughest woman to ever play in the NFL. She suffered "neck burners" bruised thumbs, and severe cramps on several occasions. In one game during the 1980s my friends and I begged him to take some Midol at halftime, if anything to help improve his moodiness. In his nine years as Chiefs QB, he only played in all 16 games once.

2) Cassel is not a pussy. He's come back early and played with a bad knee, and came back a week after abdominal surgery to beat St. Louis two years ago. He is not afraid to run for a first down, he just can't think and run at the same time. He has no improvisational skill at all.

Where they are exactly the same:

Both are masters of the five yard pass on third and eight. Both talk a good game about being a "team leader," but neither guy is universally respected by their team mates. Both guys went over and sat all alone, or with the QB coach looking at series pictures between possessions, and had very little contact or discussion with offensive team mates between series. Neither guy could put a team on their back and will it to win when behind.

Neither one has won a playoff game.

Buehler445
09-17-2012, 11:07 AM
so let me get this straight

Trent Green is the only QB to start MULTIPLE 16 game seasons for us. And that dude wasnt even that durable early in his career.

that is fucking sad

Season was 14 games when Dawson was playing. He owned it.

Deberg_1990
09-17-2012, 11:09 AM
I dont remember much about Kennys play....but he did throw for 4000 once right? We must of had a decent passing attack?

mikey23545
09-17-2012, 11:09 AM
so let me get this straight

Trent Green is the only QB to start MULTIPLE 16 game seasons for us. And that dude wasnt even that durable early in his career.

that is ****ing sad

Well, Dawson started most of the games when he was in his prime, and you have to remember, QBs weren't treated like ballerinas back in those days.

gblowfish
09-17-2012, 11:11 AM
I dont remember much about Kennys play....but he did throw for 4000 once right? We must of had a decent passing attack?

The only reason he threw for 4,000 yards was, that was the season where Joe Delaney drowned right before training camp opened. Chiefs had ZERO running game, so they threw the ball 50 times a game. His yards were garbage yards. And when he made "All-Pro" that season, he was a third or fourth alternate, because other guys who deserved to go begged out with injuries or whatever. He was an all pro the same way Cassel was...just because nobody else volunteered to go play in Hawaii.

Count Alex's Losses
09-17-2012, 11:11 AM
One more Pro Bowl for Cassell and he'll be tied with the franchise lead.

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Count Alex's Losses
09-17-2012, 11:13 AM
I had this conversation with a couple of my "Old Timer" Chiefs pals driving to Mizzou over the weekend.


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Such a pathetic conversation.

NewChief
09-17-2012, 11:13 AM
75 year old Moon started a game for us? I remember him backing up, but donít remember the game. Anything memorable?

I think he started the Rams vs. Chiefs the year before Trent came to KC. I went to that game, because Trent was still with the Rams and actually played. Chiefs won, I believe.

Deberg_1990
09-17-2012, 11:15 AM
I think he started the Rams vs. Chiefs the year before Trent came to KC. I went to that game, because Trent was still with the Rams and actually played. Chiefs won, I believe.

The game you are thinking of is when we knocked Warner out and we beat them in a shootout. I thought it was Grbac who played well that game?

CoMoChief
09-17-2012, 11:16 AM
This list is ****ing sad.

:thumb: this x 100

gblowfish
09-17-2012, 11:17 AM
No, the one game Moon started was the one Siberian was talking about. Grbac sat out a week with a 'bruised pinkie" because he was a pussy. Moon started, played like total shit, and that was the only game San Diego won all year.

NewChief
09-17-2012, 11:17 AM
The game you are thinking of is when we knocked Warner out and we beat them in a shootout. I thought it was Grbac who played well that game?

You're right. I just looked it up. Moon actually did come in during the 4th. I don't remember if it was because Grbac got hurt or what:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200010220kan.htm

gblowfish
09-17-2012, 11:18 AM
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Such a pathetic conversation.

We think their level of suckage is pretty much even. That's why it's so hard for me to watch The Duke of Dink. I lived through nine years of that crap with Ms. Kenney.

Count Alex's Losses
09-17-2012, 11:20 AM
To live through two Matt Cassels, my god.

And with no Chiefsplanet to vent.

the Talking Can
09-17-2012, 11:27 AM
gee thanks...now I have to kill myself

Thig Lyfe
09-17-2012, 11:35 AM
Imagine where we'd be if we'd made Tyler Thigpen our permanent starter.