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Discuss Thrower
09-17-2012, 09:46 AM
Besides the obvious front office changes that need to be made and finding a franchise QB, how far is KC personnel wise from contending for playoffs / how long will it take to become contenders?

Deberg_1990
09-17-2012, 09:59 AM
Besides the obvious front office changes that need to be made and finding a franchise QB, how far is KC personnel wise from contending for playoffs / how long will it take to become contenders?

with the right HC and the right QB, i think they are very close.

Detoxing
09-17-2012, 10:01 AM
Besides the obvious front office changes that need to be made and finding a franchise QB, how far is KC personnel wise from contending for playoffs / how long will it take to become contenders?

Depends on how much accountability you place on the players.

Yesterday there were clearly players out of position.

Is that the coaches fault or the players?

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 10:03 AM
yay rebuilding a "rebuilding" process

that's how sad it's become. We have to rebuild a 4 year Pioli rebuild

but hey

"It's a process"

Count Zarth
09-17-2012, 10:04 AM
We've got a shelf life of about 5 years left on the prime talent around here.

That's why these assholes in charge need to be shipped out NOW.

Guessing less than 25 percent of the "super bowl quality talent" acquired by Pioli survives.

Hog Farmer
09-17-2012, 10:10 AM
If we had a QB that didn't shit his pants our rebuild would be 99% complete

Ace Gunner
09-17-2012, 10:12 AM
Need to get Toribio back so we can see what Poe can do at RDE. If they can get the DL going, you need a QB and you are on your way. Replacing DJ won't be difficult --plenty of ILB types floating around and he's trade friendly for a 3rd or two.

Need to wait and see how this team looks about mid season, really. We'll be looking at QB Quinn, so it will be easier to eval the whole team after he settles in. Not to say Quinn is the answer, I don't think so, but he could be servicable for our purposes and could stay as BUQB later too.

Could pkg Flowers & DJ for a move in the draft etc.

TEX
09-17-2012, 10:14 AM
If we had a QB that didn't shit his pants our rebuild would be 99% complete

The offense would. Lilja needs to go though. We still have issues on Defense though.

TEX
09-17-2012, 10:16 AM
yay rebuilding a "rebuilding" process

that's how sad it's become. We have to rebuild a 4 year Pioli rebuild

but hey

"It's a process"

EXACTLT Dammit!

qabbaan
09-17-2012, 10:17 AM
We don't need to turn over the roster. We need a new GM, a new coaching staff, and a new QB.

Discuss Thrower
09-17-2012, 10:24 AM
It seems to me that the team will need a HB and FB, TE, and 1-3 new OL... Not to mention replacement for Bowe and probably a new slot WR as well.

But that's just my non professional opinion.

KC Tattoo
09-17-2012, 10:29 AM
In this day and age of NFL, these young QBs comming out are changing teams around in no time. Like Cam Newton. Plenty of young guns changing franchises quicker than later. We need catch a hold of one while the getting is good because these guys are going be around a while competing for championships.

Guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Brokeneck are on the verge of decline. So we need to get ours in this next draft so we can "build" up our chances for success in the league and compete for years to come for Super Bowls.

I don't think it should take two years to turn it around. Not with the rules for passing engagement on defense the way they are. Just got to get our guy up to par and on the same page as the rest of the team.

SNR
09-17-2012, 11:07 AM
If we're lucky, we might be able to salvage this team the way Jim Harbaugh basically salvaged Mike Singletary's shitty 49er teams.

If we're not lucky, we'll have to bring in a new GM and a new coach who will start over and build the team they envision.

Either route is fine. As long as the shit mess at the top of the organization is gone.

L.A. Chieffan
09-17-2012, 11:07 AM
Get over it.

Inmem58
09-17-2012, 11:15 AM
We can't do nothing with Hunt as our owner. No matter what GM he brings in, he'll have to spend what Clark tells him to spend. We'll be picking up guys with one-year contracts every offseason. We'll get guys that'll make us content in free agency, only to release them a year or two down the road.

It's all up to Hunt and what he wants to spend. We are fuck forever until he opens his wallet. We can bring in Reid, Cowher, Gruden, or whoever. They'll still have to to work around Hunts budget. This is out main problem right now.

Count Zarth
09-17-2012, 11:16 AM
It doesn't fucking matter.

You get a QB you can win.

That's all that fucking matters, people.

Only reason we think we have to spend more money is because we're trying to compensate for shitbag.

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 11:24 AM
It seems to me that the team will need a HB and FB, TE, and 1-3 new OL... Not to mention replacement for Bowe and probably a new slot WR as well.

But that's just my non professional opinion.

def need a new RB and TE, a couple of new LBers(at least one young MLBer with potential)/pass rushers, new d-line, some new o-line, and at least a new CB and new safety.

suds79
09-17-2012, 11:27 AM
how long will it take to become contenders?

Easy to answer. How long before the Chiefs draft a franchise QB? Once that happens, pretty much that year and for the foreseeable future if he hits.

My point is that I think people focus on the other core of this team and you hear "windows opening & closing" and I think it's all BS. Your window is open as long as you have that QB. That's it.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 11:28 AM
It doesn't ****ing matter.

You get a QB you can win.

That's all that ****ing matters, people.

Only reason we think we have to spend more money is because we're trying to compensate for shitbag.

It is without a doubt the most important position on the field and the one that truly determines post-season success.

Graystoke
09-17-2012, 12:13 PM
We can't do nothing with Hunt as our owner. No matter what GM he brings in, he'll have to spend what Clark tells him to spend. We'll be picking up guys with one-year contracts every offseason. We'll get guys that'll make us content in free agency, only to release them a year or two down the road.

It's all up to Hunt and what he wants to spend. We are **** forever until he opens his wallet. We can bring in Reid, Cowher, Gruden, or whoever. They'll still have to to work around Hunts budget. This is out main problem right now.

Dead on!

qabbaan
09-17-2012, 12:24 PM
We can't do nothing with Hunt as our owner. No matter what GM he brings in, he'll have to spend what Clark tells him to spend.

So now it's not Pioli's fault because Hunt told him he can't spend any money?

Where did you get this? :LOL:

Inmem58
09-17-2012, 12:28 PM
So now it's not Pioli's fault because Hunt told him he can't spend any money?

Where did you get this? :LOL:

It's both their faults. Pioli's for not drafting a QB and Hunts for always having the most cap space year to year. You lost bro?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-17-2012, 12:29 PM
I'm so happy we didn't attempt to get Fisher.

saphojunkie
09-17-2012, 12:38 PM
If we had a QB that didn't shit his pants our rebuild would be 99% complete

And change the defensive scheme to a 1-gap zone blitz.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 12:40 PM
^This.

Steve Sewell
09-17-2012, 12:58 PM
I would say that most teams are a QB away from competing in the playoffs and for championships. That's why its hard to take KC seriously, regardless of overall talent level...Cassel is a complete turd of an NFL QB.

Teams like Atlanta/Detroit didn't magically become good through years of great drafting...they became good because they drafted Matt Ryan/Matt Stafford and had a good young nucleus around him.

Anyway, as a Bronco fan, I've had the up close and personal experience of the failure that is anything Patriots outside of Belichick/Brady. Hell, Belichick himself was pretty much average to below average until Brady came along. The long list of failures that have benefited from suckling Brady's teat is mindboggling at this point.

Crennel, McDaniels, Pioli, Mangina, Weiss...when will people learn that the Patriots success is due to having a Hall of Fame QB at the reigns?

vailpass
09-17-2012, 01:06 PM
def need a new RB and TE, a couple of new LBers(at least one young MLBer with potential)/pass rushers, new d-line, some new o-line, and at least a new CB and new safety.

So keep the punter and safety?

Chocolate Hog
09-17-2012, 01:33 PM
This team doesn't need to re-build.

Get a new QB.

I would blow up the defensive line with the exception of Poe.

New LG.

I would replace Belcher.

Sign some safety depth.

Add another pass rusher.

Get another #2 WR.

Denver Mike
09-17-2012, 01:49 PM
I hear Matt Flynn will be up for grabs??

No matter what way you slice it. He's 10 miles ahead of Cassel..

And you guys have shit to contend with

vailpass
09-17-2012, 01:51 PM
I hear Matt Flynn will be up for grabs??

No matter what way you slice it. He's 10 miles ahead of Cassel..

And you guys have shit to contend with

Have some class, we're guests here. We're also a hit away from Osweiler at QB so watch the bad mojo talk.

Setsuna
09-17-2012, 02:20 PM
I hear Matt Flynn will be up for grabs??

No matter what way you slice it. He's 10 miles ahead of Cassel..

And you guys have shit to contend with

If your team ain't shit, you can't talk shit. Thems the rules. Follow them or get hate ****ed off this site and sent off with a bar of soap and an odd sense of satisfaction.

vailpass
09-17-2012, 02:27 PM
If your team ain't shit, you can't talk shit. Thems the rules. Follow them or get hate ****ed off this site and sent off with a bar of soap and an odd sense of satisfaction.

:D Nice line.

However, step off Jag fan.

Bronco fans will take care of our own n00bs here and I already have this one.

Setsuna
09-17-2012, 03:13 PM
:D Nice line.

However, step off Jag fan.

Bronco fans will take care of our own n00bs here and I already have this one.

**** you Donk! :cuss: :thumb: o:-)

Fine.

lcarus
09-17-2012, 03:18 PM
It doesn't fucking matter.

You get a QB you can win.

That's all that fucking matters, people.

Only reason we think we have to spend more money is because we're trying to compensate for shitbag.

Thats actually what my mentality has been the last couple of years. If we have to be stuck with shit at QB, I want every other god damn position to be top notch. It isn't healthy. Teams with good QBs can afford some weak spots. We can't