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dirk digler
09-17-2012, 04:06 PM
I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

A hidden camera video (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/17/romney_explains_obama_voters.html) of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

LiveSteam
09-17-2012, 04:10 PM
What Romney really said was winner winner free chicken dinner?

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:12 PM
Regardless of what it does to his campaign, I don't have a problem with what he said. Truth hurts.

T-post Tom
09-17-2012, 04:15 PM
Regardless of what it does to his campaign, I don't have a problem with what he said. Truth hurts.

Yes: Anyone who votes Dem pays no taxes. 30 Helens agree. I was going to vote PUB, but I'm joining the new "no tax" party. Sorry Mit, can't vote against zero taxes. Barry, what up?

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 04:17 PM
Regardless of what it does to his campaign, I don't have a problem with what he said. Truth hurts.

not surprising

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:22 PM
not surprising

I know it isn't. You have a problem with the truth? Wait... yeah. You are part of that 47% that he wasn't going to get anyway so what the hell does it matter to you. Nothing he could say or do would sway you anyway so why even bother. The only way you vote for him is if Obama turned up on To Catch a Predator, and still maybe not even then.

RNR
09-17-2012, 04:23 PM
What he said if he said it is true, unpopular but true~

FD
09-17-2012, 04:25 PM
What he says is true, of course. The political problem with it is that a huge proportion of the people he is talking about are the elderly, whose votes he is counting on.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 04:30 PM
I know it isn't. You have a problem with the truth? Wait... yeah. You are part of that 47% that he wasn't going to get anyway so what the hell does it matter to you. Nothing he could say or do would sway you anyway so why even bother. The only way you vote for him is if Obama turned up on To Catch a Predator, and still maybe not even then.

You think all Obama supporters are victims?

Fish
09-17-2012, 04:34 PM
I know it isn't. You have a problem with the truth? Wait... yeah. You are part of that 47% that he wasn't going to get anyway so what the hell does it matter to you. Nothing he could say or do would sway you anyway so why even bother. The only way you vote for him is if Obama turned up on To Catch a Predator, and still maybe not even then.

Vote Romney, or else you're a freeloading bum.

Yeah, that's a great outlook.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 04:36 PM
You think all Obama supporters are victims?And pay no taxes? exist on government handouts?

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:37 PM
You think all Obama supporters are victims?

Nope not at all. Do I think some people that want others to carry the load for them are? Yes. Do I think you are? I don't know, but probably. Should we care for others that can't care for themselves? Yes. Should we care for other's that WON'T care for themselves. Hell no. Anymore questions, Sherlock?

InChiefsHell
09-17-2012, 04:38 PM
You think all Obama supporters are victims?

Actually I think they are deranged...could be they were all dropped on their heads as children, which would in a sense make them victims...:evil:

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 04:39 PM
Regardless of what it does to his campaign, I don't have a problem with what he said. Truth hurts.

Yeah, I don't get what the issue is here?

I'd say he's probably right that around 47% don't pay income tax is close to being correct? I'd say the vast vast majority of those people will vote for Obama. I'd say the vast vast majority of those people feel like they deserve to be fed and taken care of by the government.

I'm sure Obama knows that there's 47% of the people who don't believe in high deficits, favor lower taxes for business and feel like they can spend their money better than the government.

That would leave about 6%, like he said.

:shrug:

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:39 PM
Vote Romney, or else you're a freeloading bum.

Yeah, that's a great outlook.

Vote Obama, or you are only looking to make the rich richer.

Yeah, that's a great outlook.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 04:41 PM
The problem with Romney is he's going to backpedal these statements and do his typical wish-wash routine. He actually sounded coherent for once...

stonedstooge
09-17-2012, 04:41 PM
Who plays the victim card more than O'Bama? Nothing has ever been his fault. Same with his followers

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:41 PM
And pay no taxes? exist on government handouts?

Go away. You have lost your mind and don't make sense anymore when you speak. The social wars were too much for you to take.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 04:43 PM
Nope not at all. Do I think some people that want others to carry the load for them are? Yes. Do I think you are? I don't know, but probably. Should we care for others that can't care for themselves? Yes. Should we care for other's that WON'T care for themselves. Hell no. Anymore questions, Sherlock?

Well you would be wrong. I don't disagree with some of what you say but to pretend it only exists on one side is well stupid. It is like those stupid Tea Partiers telling people to get the government out of their Medicare.

Also you are one of the more reasonable people here but you seem to be in a shit mood today. Hope your day gets better.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 04:44 PM
Who plays the victim card more than O'Bama? Nothing has ever been his fault. Same with his followers

It will be a sad day, but eventually the idea that you can tax your way to prosperity, or even to a place where you can take care of half the population will end. California reached that point long ago and they still won't face the music - but when their new tax co-ops happen you can count me as one resident who will be saying "see ya"!

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:44 PM
The problem with Romney is he's going to backpedal these statements and do his typical wish-wash routine. He actually sounded coherent for once...

This election cycle has really got me in a funk. Both of them (ROMOBAM) are useless turds. What is a half white half brown Americano to do? Vote for Ron Paul I guess.:evil:

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 04:45 PM
This election cycle has really got me in a funk. Both of them (ROMOBAM) are useless turds. What is a half white half brown Americano to do? Vote for Ron Paul I guess.:evil:

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 04:46 PM
It's pretty much correct and that's also what plenty of other American's think too.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 04:46 PM
Go away. You have lost your mind and don't make sense anymore when you speak. The social wars were too much for you to take.pot meet kettle moment

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:47 PM
Well you would be wrong. I don't disagree with some of what you say but to pretend it only exists on one side is well stupid. It is like those stupid Tea Partiers telling people to get the government out of their Medicare.

Also you are one of the more reasonable people here but you seem to be in a shit mood today. Hope your day gets better.

In all honesty, I am having a shit day. Thanks for noticing. Just so beat down with all the finger pointing and blindness and Libyans and direckshuns and people farting in an airplane cabin full of other people and BRC's social wars etc etc etc. I think I might shut up now.

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:48 PM
pot meet kettle moment

Derp! BRC meet direckshun and BEP's love child.

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 04:49 PM
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

LOL I won't. But i am in funk dammit!!!!

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 04:49 PM
These comments are also pretty much a reflection on why Obama will win, if he does. It will be a bunch of people who don't mind being unemployed or think the guy who has failed with job creation is doing a best job that can be done. They don't understand economics so they bite on things like "grow the economy from the middle out, instead of the top down." They don't stop to think that government trickle-down economics are more harmful to an economy than free-market trickle down (which has shown to work pretty damn well 95% of the time).

Never let a good crisis go to waste, don't you know...

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 04:50 PM
Yeah, I don't get what the issue is here?

I'd say he's probably right that around 47% don't pay income tax is close to being correct? I'd say the vast vast majority of those people will vote for Obama. I'd say the vast vast majority of those people feel like they deserve to be fed and taken care of by the government.

I'm sure Obama knows that there's 47% of the people who don't believe in high deficits, favor lower taxes for business and feel like they can spend their money better than the government.

That would leave about 6%, like he said.

:shrug:

47% of Obama supporters are victims? really? Guys like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, members of the military etc?

Interesting...

Do you think this is just as stupid as saying someone is clinging to their guns and religion? Of course a lot of people thought that was correct too.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 04:51 PM
Well you would be wrong. I don't disagree with some of what you say but to pretend it only exists on one side is well stupid. It is like those stupid Tea Partiers telling people to get the government out of their Medicare.

Also you are one of the more reasonable people here but you seem to be in a shit mood today. Hope your day gets better.The bubble is strong in this thread. :sulk:

Brock
09-17-2012, 04:52 PM
this kind of stuff is why republicans can barely beat Obama, if at all, and that with the worst economy of the past 25+ years.

headsnap
09-17-2012, 04:52 PM
47% of Obama supporters are victims? really? Guys like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, members of the military etc?

Interesting...

Do you think this is just as stupid as saying someone is clinging to their guns and religion? Of course a lot of people thought that was correct too.


reading comprehension fail!!!

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 04:54 PM
47% of Obama supporters are victims? really? Guys like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, members of the military etc?

Interesting...

Do you think this is just as stupid as saying someone is clinging to their guns and religion? Of course a lot of people thought that was correct too.

Meh.

I have no doubt Obama supporters will get their panties in a twist over this, but the general point he's making is true.

Looks like we can all look forward to bureaucrats running health care (which we all know will lead to less care and/or more debt), trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see, high unemployment, and more people on food stamps/welfare. I can't wait! Let's spend our way to prosperity!

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 04:55 PM
In all honesty, I am having a shit day. Thanks for noticing. Just so beat down with all the finger pointing and blindness and Libyans and direckshuns and people farting in an airplane cabin full of other people and BRC's social wars etc etc etc. I think I might shut up now.

It is ok just let it all out you will feel better. Plus it is entertaining :D

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 05:01 PM
Meh.

I have no doubt Obama supporters will get their panties in a twist over this, but the general point he's making is true.

Looks like we can all look forward to bureaucrats running health care (which we all know will lead to less care and/or more debt), trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see, high unemployment, and more people on food stamps/welfare. I can't wait! Let's spend our way to prosperity!

I think it will be more than just Obama supporters.

jjjayb
09-17-2012, 05:07 PM
Here's the video if anyone wants to watch it:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XnB0NZzl5HA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I have zero problem with what he's saying.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:08 PM
I think it will be more than just Obama supporters.

Maybe. But it will be Obama supporters hyperventilating about it... ;)

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 05:10 PM
Maybe. But it will be Obama supporters hyperventilating about it... ;)Just like the clinging to their guns and religion comment by Obama last election.

This will have legs just like that comment did.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:11 PM
Maybe. But it will be Obama supporters hyperventilating about it... ;)

Here's a preview...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dUfTy5y7sIw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RNR
09-17-2012, 05:11 PM
Here's the video if anyone wants to watch it:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XnB0NZzl5HA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I have zero problem with what he's saying.

There is nothing wrong with what he said~

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 05:12 PM
Maybe. But it will be Obama supporters hyperventilating about it... ;)

I don't. Saying that he doesn't care about half the country and is not going to worry about them probably isn't going to go over to well.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:12 PM
Just like the clinging to their guns and religion comment by Obama last election.

This will have legs just like that comment did.

Hopefully it will.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:14 PM
I don't. Telling America that he doesn't care about half the country and is not going to worry about them probably isn't going to go over to well.

You do realize he was saying he's not worrying about them in the context of the election.

But you are right that this is going to have the desired effect with those that don't want to see him get elected. Another week closer to four more years as good as the last four!

RNR
09-17-2012, 05:15 PM
I don't. Saying that he doesn't care about half the country and is not going to worry about them probably isn't going to go over to well.

It will not go over well with people who would never vote for him anyway~

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 05:16 PM
I don't. Saying that he doesn't care about half the country and is not going to worry about them probably isn't going to go over to well.

Kind of like signing Obamacare into law, right? Isn't that telling half the country (or more) that you don't care about them or what they think?

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 05:17 PM
I don't. Saying that he doesn't care about half the country and is not going to worry about them probably isn't going to go over to well.

dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:19 PM
Kind of like signing Obamacare into law, right? Isn't that telling half the country (or more) that you don't care about them or what they think?

No, no, no. That's FAIR. It's okay if we bankrupt the country, as long as it's fair...

Obama's admission that he would raise taxes, even if it generated less revenue for the treasury, because it is "fair" should shock people more than a candidate talking about his campaign.

Obama saying he wouldn't use accounting tricks and would debate healthcare in the open on C-SPAN and then doing it the way they did should shock people more than a candidate talking about his campaign.

Obama proposing budgets that would double our deficit and add $10,000,000,000,000 to the debt should shock people more than a candidate talking about his campaign.

It won't, but it should.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 05:24 PM
dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.of course our views are shaped by our experiences. But we are suppose to share facts. Facts are facts. No interpretation or ambiguity.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 05:25 PM
You do realize he was saying he's not worrying about them in the context of the election.

But you are right that this is going to have the desired effect with those that don't want to see him get elected. Another week closer to four more years as good as the last four!

I would agree with you except for the line after that. If he became POTUS I don't think that sentiment would change.


It will not go over well with people who would never vote for him anyway~

I doubt this will play well with swing voters who probably fit some of the disparging things he said about them.

Kind of like signing Obamacare into law, right? Isn't that telling half the country (or more) that you don't care about them or what they think?

Not really

dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.

I don't relate to being a victim or dependent on government.

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 05:29 PM
dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.

Holy Shit!!! That is the most coherent and sane thing I have EVER heard you say. Gonna have to rep you on that one sugarbritches!

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 05:31 PM
I don't relate to being a victim or dependent on government.
You do relate to Obama's policy on healthcare. That BIG auto had to be bailed to protect people's jobs etc. etc. You don't relate to using those words but that's exactly what that is.

Frankly, I think Obama's restraint on Iran and the Republicans belligerent militarism, not helped by Bibi, is what is hurting the Republican ticket. It can't be the economy under Obama's stewardship that's helping his lead.

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 05:32 PM
Holy Shit!!! That is the most coherent and sane thing I have EVER heard you say. Gonna have to rep you on that one sugarbritches!

This is the first sane thing I've heard you say.

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 05:33 PM
This is the first sane thing I've heard you say.

I know you are, but what am I? Can I have my rep back now? Please?:p

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:35 PM
I doubt this will play well with swing voters who probably fit some of the disparging things he said about them.

If they're swing voters then they don't fall in the group that Romney was describing. His whole statement is conditioned upon the group being an established base of support for the president.

Now, that won't stop Obama supporters or his campaign from confusing the context (as they should), but the fact that Obama will have people up in arms for another week and not thinking about the crap condition of the economy definitely translates into a nice gift.

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 05:38 PM
Bernie Goldberg parses the polls:
Funny how these polls pretty much reflect what I think. If only the Rs would change on FP, Mitt would have my vote. As it is, I waver but only because of Obamacare.

And according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll, voters give President Obama a lead over Mitt Romney when asked which candidate would do a better job handing foreign policy,

Medicare, health care, taxes – and this is a significant switch – even the economy and unemployment, where the president holds a one point lead over Romney. One point isn’t much, that’s for sure. But the economy was Romney’s strength — an issue Romney won in the polls until now.

Only when asked who would do a better job with the federal budget deficit does Romney come out ahead of the president, 51 to 43 percent.

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/if-obama-thinks-he-inherited-a-mess-four-years-ago/

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:41 PM
You do relate to Obama's policy on healthcare. That BIG auto had to be bailed to protect people's jobs etc. etc. You don't relate to using those words but that's exactly what that is.

Frankly, I think Obama's restraint on Iran and the Republicans belligerent militarism, not helped by Bibi, is what is hurting the Republican ticket. It can't be the economy under Obama's stewardship that's helping his lead.

I've thought for awhile that this is 2004 all over again. Nice guy running against the New England rich guy who's out of touch that people just don't really want to be married to for the next four years. They know that things aren't going that great, but they don't know that the other guy's ideas are all that. So they end up sticking with the ass they know versus the ass they don't know. But you're probably right, I don't think anyone but the fringe could be asked if they're voting for Obama based on his stewardship and say yes.

What I will agree with Dirk is that this gives Obama an opening to further fuel his narrative and you can bet there will be tons of piling on (again, taking the comment out of context, but for a joke who cares?).

But anyone who's read the excerpts from Bob Woodward's book should know that Obama is in way over his head. And the scary part is that he's one of those guys who doesn't really have a clue, but THINKS he has all the answers. And when confronted by the facts that his ideas aren't working, he has a convenient line of excuses set up to absolve him of the blame.

tk13
09-17-2012, 05:44 PM
This guy sticks his foot in his mouth every other day. It is truly amazing. He was pretty much handed a golden ticket with no decent Republican nominees and a President who has done a zillion things people aren't happy with the last four years. And he just can't shut the heck up and get out of the way. This speech really isn't the end of the world, but it is absolutely as stupid as Obama's guns and religion comment. The bigger issue is that the guy is constantly saying stupid stuff like this. It's mind boggling. Someone on his team needs to tell him to just shut the heck up and get out of the way... but he's probably already done too much damage to himself.

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 05:47 PM
I know you are, but what am I? Can I have my rep back now? Please?:p

A, I'm adorable! D, and deplorable!

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:48 PM
Bernie Goldberg parses the polls:
Funny how these polls pretty much reflect what I think. If only the Rs would change on FP, Mitt would have my vote. As it is, I waver but only because of Obamacare.

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/if-obama-thinks-he-inherited-a-mess-four-years-ago/

If it turns out the the Dems are +6 in turnout, as this poll envisions, then Romney will likely lose. If not, he won't. Another reason this is like 2004 IMO...

suzzer99
09-17-2012, 05:49 PM
Do you think any senior citizens on SS even realize that they're part of the "47% who don't pay income tax"? Could their Obama hate even be penetrated enough to realize that Romney is calling them people who see themselves as victims?

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:51 PM
This guy sticks his foot in his mouth every other day.

Well this was from months ago from what I understand...but it does help feed into the "all hope is lost" narrative that they're trying to create...

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:52 PM
Do you think any senior citizens on SS even realize that they're part of the "47% who don't pay income tax"? Could their Obama hate even be penetrated enough to realize that Romney is calling them people who see themselves as victims?

<B>There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.</B> All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. <B>And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.</B>

Not quite what he said... ;)

suzzer99
09-17-2012, 05:53 PM
Regardless of what it does to his campaign, I don't have a problem with what he said. Truth hurts.

There is nothing wrong with what he said~

Here's the video if anyone wants to watch it:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XnB0NZzl5HA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I have zero problem with what he's saying.

You do realize 16% of the country is on SS benefits and pays no income tax right? That's about 1/3 of the 47% number that republicans like to throw around.

Do you think every old person on social security thinks of themselves as a victim and will definitely vote Obama? Does Romney even realize this?

It's just such a bizarre thing to say.

Fish
09-17-2012, 05:53 PM
Vote Obama, or you are only looking to make the rich richer.

Yeah, that's a great outlook.

Who said that?

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:55 PM
You do realize 16% of the country is on SS benefits and pays no income tax right? That's about 1/3 of the 47% number that republicans like to throw around.

Do you think every old person on social security thinks of themselves as a victim and will definitely vote Obama? Does Romney even realize this?

It's just such a bizarre thing to say.

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

suzzer99
09-17-2012, 05:55 PM
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

You literally didn't understand one word of what I just said did you?

Do you really feel this way about every senior citizen who is currently living off Social Security? Because they are about 1/3 of the 47% number.

Hint: most of them vote, and will vote republican. And literally none of them will realize Romney or other republicans are talking about them when they talk about the 47% who don't pay income tax. Neither will you apparently.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 05:56 PM
You literally didn't understand one word of what I just said did you?

Do you really feel this way about every senior citizen who is currently living off Social Security? Because they are about 1/3 of the 47% number.

He's not talking about people who don't pay income taxes. He's talking about Obama supporters. The 47% number, based on the video released, is prefaced with him saying he is talking about the base level of support that Obama is going to receive.

suzzer99
09-17-2012, 05:59 PM
He's not talking about people who don't pay income taxes. He's talking about Obama supporters. The 47% number, based on the video released, is prefaced with him saying he is talking about the base level of support that Obama is going to receive.

What? Are you legit retarded? The 47% number is about people who don't pay income tax, and who Romney is saying see themselves as victims and will vote democrat no matter what.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that both numbers are 47%?

Your grasp on logic and the meaning of words is pretty tenuous.

Lightrise
09-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Wow. Politics is a rough game, but this will be of deep concern to the country and NO APOLOGY will cut it. America wants to be inspired and unified. The public wants a leader they can trust and who they sense can grasp life's challenges and mold compassion into can do policy that lifts our society to greatness. Our national history is full of amazing national leaders who possessed all these lofty personal traits. Mr. Romney has none of them and there won't be a single voter in the country who will be ignorant of Mr. Romney's thinking on election day. For millionaires and billionaires say goodbye to your tax cut and the millions of dollars you tossed down the drain in a hopeless cause.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 06:04 PM
What? Are you legit retarded? The 47% number is about people who don't pay income tax, and who Romney is saying see themselves as victims and will vote democrat no matter what.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that both numbers are 47%?

Your grasp on logic and the meaning of words is pretty tenuous.

I like you...you make me laugh.

I'm not sure about the 47% paying or not paying any income tax (I think it's actually closer to 40%), but he's probably right that around 47% of Americans are a lost cause to his campaign just as 47% are a lost cause to Obama's.

We can only hope this is enough to get Obama elected so the next four years are as good as the last four. That's the whole point of this, isn't it? To stay on the course that has worked so well the past four years?

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 06:05 PM
Wow. Politics is a rough game, but this will be of deep concern to the country and NO APOLOGY will cut it. America wants to be inspired and unified. The public wants a leader they can trust and who they sense can grasp life's challenges and mold compassion into can do policy that lifts our society to greatness. Our national history is full of amazing national leaders who possessed all these lofty personal traits. Mr. Romney has none of them and there won't be a single voter in the country who will be ignorant of Mr. Romney's thinking on election day. For millionaires and billionaires say goodbye to your tax cut and the millions of dollars you tossed down the drain in a hopeless cause.

Yeah, Romney pretty much sucks as a candidate -- unfortunately we have a president who, if he is re-elected, is going to lead us to four more years like the last four years unless he radically changes course and learns that fairness is not an economic policy.

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 06:07 PM
You do realize 16% of the country is on SS benefits and pays no income tax right? That's about 1/3 of the 47% number that republicans like to throw around.

Do you think every old person on social security thinks of themselves as a victim and will definitely vote Obama? Does Romney even realize this?

It's just such a bizarre thing to say.

Too bad those on SS aren't informed enough to know that Obamacare screws the elderly and favors the young. Despite Obama's denials it does cut Medicare if you read a non-partisan source, that has no axe to grind.

suzzer99
09-17-2012, 06:07 PM
I like you...you make me laugh.

I'm not sure about the 47% paying or not paying any income tax (I think it's actually closer to 40%), but he's probably right that around 47% of Americans are a lost cause to his campaign just as 47% are a lost cause to Obama's.

We can only hope this is enough to get Obama elected so the next four years are as good as the last four. That's the whole point of this, isn't it? To stay on the course that has worked so well the past four years?

I can't figure out if your apparent massive massive confusion on this issue is intentional or not. Either way I'm putting you on ignore because you make zero sense and my head hurts trying to unravel your word soup.

BucEyedPea
09-17-2012, 06:08 PM
You literally didn't understand one word of what I just said did you?

Do you really feel this way about every senior citizen who is currently living off Social Security? Because they are about 1/3 of the 47% number.

Hint: most of them vote, and will vote republican. And literally none of them will realize Romney or other republicans are talking about them when they talk about the 47% who don't pay income tax. Neither will you apparently.

Wealthy senior citizens are also on SS and I doubt they don't like Obama. I know a few....they just don't need SS and will even admit that.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 06:12 PM
I can't figure out if your apparent massive massive confusion on this issue is intentional or not. Either way I'm putting you on ignore because you make zero sense and my head hurts trying to unravel your word soup.

VICTORY!

ROFL

HonestChieffan
09-17-2012, 06:13 PM
You think all Obama supporters are victims?

We are all victims. 100%. Anyone who does not see that is a complete moron. He has fucked over every supporter he has as well as those who want him gone

Aries Walker
09-17-2012, 06:13 PM
Romney is saying that Obama will automatically start with the 47% of the country who pays no income tax. That seems clear to me.

What's disturbing to me is the implication that all of Obama's supporters are jobless parasites. Whether Romney genuinely believes that, or is just saying it to get rich people to support him, it's at best elitist and divisive.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 06:16 PM
Romney is saying that Obama will automatically start with the 47% of the country who pays no income tax. That seems clear to me.

What's disturbing to me is the implication that all of Obama's supporters are jobless parasites. Whether Romney genuinely believes that, or is just saying it to get rich people to support him, it's at best elitist and divisive.But, But Obama is the one engaging in class warfare for opposing tax cuts that are weighted heavily in favor of the rich?

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 06:18 PM
Who said that?

Nobody did babyfishmouth.

It was a mirror image of what you said to me. You know the whole opposite image thing. Dems think Repubs hate the poor and love the rich and Repubs think Dems hate the rich and love the poor. Please try to keep up.

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 06:19 PM
Yeah, Romney pretty much sucks as a candidate -- unfortunately we have a president who, if he is re-elected, is going to lead us to four more years like the last four years unless he radically changes course and learns that fairness is not an economic policy.

Yeah he will radically change course all right, just not in the way he should or the way you want.

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 06:21 PM
But, But Obama is the one engaging in class warfare for opposing tax cuts that are weighted heavily in favor of the rich?

Yep. Those that actually pay taxes. Nice try Mister Kool Aid man!

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 06:22 PM
I think Romney's killshot came in Clinton's speech at the DNC.

But this sinks him. We're looking at a potential landslide, now.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 06:22 PM
You do relate to Obama's policy on healthcare. That BIG auto had to be bailed to protect people's jobs etc. etc. You don't relate to using those words but that's exactly what that is.

Frankly, I think Obama's restraint on Iran and the Republicans belligerent militarism, not helped by Bibi, is what is hurting the Republican ticket. It can't be the economy under Obama's stewardship that's helping his lead.

No I don't. He gave private insurance companies 30 million new customers I support Medicare for All. ;)

I also supported the auto bailout as did Mittens and Ryan..supposedly

petegz28
09-17-2012, 06:27 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/P36x8rTb3jI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 06:27 PM
No I don't. He gave private insurance companies 30 million new customers I support Medicare for All. ;)

I also supported the auto bailout as did Mittens and Ryan..supposedly

Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

headsnap
09-17-2012, 06:28 PM
I think Romney's killshot came in Clinton's speech at the DNC.

But this sinks him. We're looking at a potential landslide, now.

yup, he just lost your vote...

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 06:28 PM
yup, he just lost your vote...

Honestly... this is a video that just shows a lack of respect for about half of all Americans.

Nobody like that becomes President.

Like I said, Romney was already dead in the water. This just craters him.

Now it's a fight to keep it from becoming embarrassing.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 06:29 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qCJaDC3C6bk/TpryV1hthuI/AAAAAAAAEJ4/Z32JZlAHErc/s400/keep%2Bgovernment%2Bout%2Bof%2Bmy%2Bmedicare.jpg

headsnap
09-17-2012, 06:36 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qCJaDC3C6bk/TpryV1hthuI/AAAAAAAAEJ4/Z32JZlAHErc/s400/keep%2Bgovernment%2Bout%2Bof%2Bmy%2Bmedicare.jpg

our photoshopz is better than yours...

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 06:37 PM
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/P36x8rTb3jI" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>This is the stupid voter I talked about in another thread. Same basic voter as the one on the Tea Party side that holds a sign that says "Government hands off my medicare".

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 06:40 PM
I'll tell you what, this should make the debates very, very interesting.

Mitt and Ryan have no choice but to constantly attack. I doubt it will be over anything substantive ("this is a President who wants to relax welfare requirements!"), but it should make for entertaining television.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 06:40 PM
Yep. Those that actually pay taxes. Nice try Mister Kool Aid man!you are not paying attention. I've always been in favor of a minimum tax. No matter what you make, you have to pay "this" % of taxes. No one should get a free ride.

Fish
09-17-2012, 06:41 PM
Nobody did babyfishmouth.

It was a mirror image of what you said to me. You know the whole opposite image thing. Dems think Repubs hate the poor and love the rich and Repubs think Dems hate the rich and love the poor. Please try to keep up.

A mirror image of what I said? That makes no sense whatsoever. I commented on your accusation. I didn't make an opposite accusation at all. And you don't really have a right to make one for me with your party stereotypes. Nut...

philfree
09-17-2012, 06:43 PM
Where's all the hidden camera footage of Obama?

What Romney said was fine.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Where's all the hidden camera footage of Obama?

What Romney said was fine.Here's the smell test..........

If its perfectly fine, why doesn't he say it every day in his stump speech?

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Here's the smell test..........

If its perfectly fine, why doesn't he say it every day in his stump speech?

Bingo.

philfree
09-17-2012, 06:47 PM
Honestly... this is a video that just shows a lack of respect for about half of all Americans.

Nobody like that becomes President.

Like I said, Romney was already dead in the water. This just craters him.

Now it's a fight to keep it from becoming embarrassing.

It shows he know the voters and that's all he was talking about. Poitics makes so many people go full retard.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 06:48 PM
I can now hear the new Romney stump speech. Half of you Americans are lazy POS moochers. Vote for me!

philfree
09-17-2012, 06:51 PM
Here's the smell test..........

If its perfectly fine, why doesn't he say it every day in his stump speech?


He wasn't talking policy he was talking about the election startegy and the voters. I'm sure Obama does the same stuff behind closed doors but there's no hidden camera's showing it.

oldandslow
09-17-2012, 07:02 PM
He wasn't talking policy he was talking about the election startegy and the voters. I'm sure Obama does the same stuff behind closed doors but there's no hidden camera's showing it.

Because the Obama campaign is smart enough to know how to elected. The same cannot be said for the Romney campaign...gaffe after gaffe.

petegz28
09-17-2012, 07:04 PM
Because the Obama campaign is smart enough to know how to elected. The same cannot be said for the Romney campaign...gaffe after gaffe.

Joe Biden....hello?? hello??

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 07:05 PM
He wasn't talking policy he was talking about the election startegy and the voters. I'm sure Obama does the same stuff behind closed doors but there's no hidden camera's showing it.oh I'm sure that is also going on in Obama's meetings behind closed doors. These type of red meat statements I'm sure are commonplace on both sides of the aisle.

I wish politicians would just tell us the truth. But, its never going to happen. If Romeny gets elected his math = exploding the debt and deficit and hope that the economy turns it around to make up the difference. If it doesnt, then there goes the mortgage deduction for houses, increase in park fees, gas taxes and who knows what else.

Obama wins if he's serious and telling the truth he would say we need to curtail the growth of medicare, raise the retirement age of Social Security, cut social programs and stop the COLA raises for government employees.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 07:08 PM
Joe Biden....hello?? hello??He does it so often its almost expected and discounted because he does it so often.

Dave Lane
09-17-2012, 07:13 PM
Go away. You have lost your mind and don't make sense anymore when you speak. The social wars were too much for you to take.

Enjoy 4 more years of Obama.

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 07:17 PM
I don't. Saying that he doesn't care about half the country and is not going to worry about them probably isn't going to go over to well.

You know who said he cared about those who wouldn't support him anyways?

George W. Bush

Mr. 'If we show compassion, we'll have a new coalition for a generation.'

Gave those poor misunderstood partisans their entitlements to the glowing gratitude of 'hold on, let my check cleeeeearrrrr, . . . . AND Go fuck yourself whitey."

-King-
09-17-2012, 07:19 PM
#47percent is now the top trending topics on twitter.

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 07:22 PM
I can now hear the new Romney stump speech. Half of you Americans are lazy POS moochers. Vote for me!

He's correct but it was another stupid thing to have people hear you say it.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 07:24 PM
He's correct but it was another stupid thing to have people hear you say it.

Half of Americans fit the description he was selling?

Heh.

suzzer99
09-17-2012, 07:27 PM
You know who said he cared about those who wouldn't support him anyways?

George W. Bush

Mr. 'If we show compassion, we'll have a new coalition for a generation.'

Gave those poor misunderstood partisans their entitlements to the glowing gratitude of 'hold on, let my check cleeeeearrrrr, . . . . AND Go **** yourself whitey."

You're including the 16% of the country who are senior citizens collecting only Social Security benefits right? Because they make up 1/3 of that 47% number.

I realize this makes so little sense wrt to the whole "broaden the tax base", "skin in the game", free-loading victims argument that it just falls out of everyone's head like a rock. But it would be nice if some of you would at least try to think about the fact that fully 1/3 of the population in question here is basically the exact opposite of the freeloading urban (black) parasite republicans are implying.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 07:28 PM
#47percent is now the top trending topics on twitter.I wasnt happy with Obama saying that about clinging to your guns and religion. And it wasnt just the attitude towards people different than himself. Contrary to some opinions on here I'm a firm believer in the consitution. The 2nd amendment is clear. If they want to cling to their guns and religion. Thats constitutionally protected activites.

suzzer99
09-17-2012, 07:28 PM
This is on the front page of cnn.com now. But it can't be a story because foxnews hasn't covered it.

For some reason their front page keeps harping on the middle east with literally zero mention of Romney in any of the main articles.

HonestChieffan
09-17-2012, 07:29 PM
Certainly the Obots fit the description. How many of Obamas promices did he fail to do? He has suckered the very people who fall at his feet

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 07:29 PM
I'll say this... I'm pretty sure I've seen at least a snippet of this before, the part where Romney was describing a Chinese factory he invested in with Bain. But that's all that came to light.

Now here we are. It's a Monday, the worst time for damning news to come out since it will eat up a week's worth of discussion.

The liberal website Mother Jones had this footage some time ago, and is just now choosing to release it. The choice to release it on a Monday was deliberate.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 07:31 PM
LMAO

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html

No coverage.

Not even on their blog, "America's Election Headquarters," the "front row seat" to politics.

ROFL

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 07:35 PM
This is on the front page of cnn.com now. But it can't be a story because foxnews hasn't covered it.

For some reason their front page keeps harping on the middle east with literally zero mention of Romney in any of the main articles.Did you expect anything different. They are the main reason this bubble exists in the republican mindset. They are convinced that everything else is slanted to the left. They chose to listen exclusively to news that is spun to the right as if its a good thing.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:37 PM
Enjoy 4 more years of Obama.

Unfortunately, the damage a second Obama term is going to cause is going to last long after he's gone...

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 07:38 PM
Let us begin the sportsshrink countdown.

DC is a month and a half away from having to never deal with this dipshit again.

You're welcome.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-17/today-mitt-romney-lost-the-election.html

Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election
By Josh Barro
Sep 17, 2012 5:02 PM CT

You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney's campaign for president.

On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans "believe that they are victims." He laments: "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

So what's the upshot? "My job is not to worry about those people," he says. He also notes, describing President Obama's base, "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax."

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he's been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.

Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama's claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he's been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.

(That one is especially problematic given the speculation about what's on Mitt's unreleased pre-2010 tax returns.)

Corn tells us there are more embarrassing moments on segments of the video he hasn't released yet. Romney jokes that he'd be more likely to win the election if he were Hispanic. He makes some awkward comments about whether he was born with a "silver spoon" in his mouth.

But those are survivable. The really disastrous thing is the clip about "victims," and the combination of contempt and pity that Romney shows for anyone who isn't going to vote for him.

Romney is the most opaque presidential nominee since Nixon, and people have been reduced to guessing what his true feelings are. This video provides an answer: He feels that you're a loser. It's not an answer that wins elections.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:39 PM
You're including the 16% of the country who are senior citizens collecting only Social Security benefits right? Because they make up 1/3 of that 47% number.

I realize this makes so little sense wrt to the whole "broaden the tax base", "skin in the game", free-loading victims argument that it just falls out of everyone's head like a rock. But it would be nice if some of you would at least try to think about the fact that fully 1/3 of the population in question here is basically the exact opposite of the freeloading urban (black) parasite republicans are implying.

You're fixated on this...lol

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 07:39 PM
Unfortunately, the damage a second Obama term is going to cause is going to last long after he's gone...

God, what if he left us with a recession spiraling into a depression along with two deficit-financed wars with no conceivable end?

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:39 PM
Let us begin the sportsshrink countdown.

DC is a month and a half away from having to never deal with this dipshit again.

You're welcome.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-17/today-mitt-romney-lost-the-election.html

Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election

By Josh Barro
Sep 17, 2012 5:02 PM CT

You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney's campaign for president.

On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans "believe that they are victims." He laments: "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

So what's the upshot? "My job is not to worry about those people," he says. He also notes, describing President Obama's base, "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax."

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he's been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.

Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama's claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he's been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.

(That one is especially problematic given the speculation about what's on Mitt's unreleased pre-2010 tax returns.)

Corn tells us there are more embarrassing moments on segments of the video he hasn't released yet. Romney jokes that he'd be more likely to win the election if he were Hispanic. He makes some awkward comments about whether he was born with a "silver spoon" in his mouth.

But those are survivable. The really disastrous thing is the clip about "victims," and the combination of contempt and pity that Romney shows for anyone who isn't going to vote for him.

Romney is the most opaque presidential nominee since Nixon, and people have been reduced to guessing what his true feelings are. This video provides an answer: He feels that you're a loser. It's not an answer that wins elections.

Hooray! Four more years of broken promises and blaming everyone but himself! Go go Obama!

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 07:40 PM
Unfortunately, the damage a second Obama term is going to cause is going to last long after he's gone...We survived 8 years of a Bush presidency, albeit escaping with only the worse economic recession since the depression, two wars and an exploding deficit.

How could a second Obama term top that?

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:40 PM
God, what if he left us with a recession spiraling into a depression along with two deficit-financed wars with no conceivable end?

Oh, it's going to be much, much worse...

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 07:40 PM
Hooray! Four more years of broken promises and blaming everyone but himself! Go go Obama!

Shit like this is why you're going to lose in November.

I don't know if you see that.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 07:41 PM
Oh, it's going to be much, much worse...

Yeah? Like?

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 07:46 PM
Certainly the Obots fit the description. How many of Obamas promices did he fail to do? He has suckered the very people who fall at his feet

You don't really believe that

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:46 PM
We survived 8 years of a Bush presidency, albeit escaping with only the worse economic recession since the depression, two wars and an exploding deficit.

How could a second Obama term top that?

Seriously? Read the Affordable Care Act.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:48 PM
You don't really believe that

Tell me what part of Obama's budgets (that not even a Democrat would vote for) you agree with...That's dude's road map for our future and it's ugly...

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:48 PM
Shit like this is why you're going to lose in November.

I don't know if you see that.

I'm going to lose?

You don't know me very well...lol

stonedstooge
09-17-2012, 07:49 PM
This is SO much more important than the Middle East blowing up

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 07:50 PM
This is SO much more important than the Middle East blowing up

To the left it is. They have to win. Doesn't much matter what it is the victory gets them...

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 07:50 PM
You're including the 16% of the country who are senior citizens collecting only Social Security benefits right? Because they make up 1/3 of that 47% number.

I realize this makes so little sense wrt to the whole "broaden the tax base", "skin in the game", free-loading victims argument that it just falls out of everyone's head like a rock. But it would be nice if some of you would at least try to think about the fact that fully 1/3 of the population in question here is basically the exact opposite of the freeloading urban (black) parasite republicans are implying.

Get off the income tax thing, I'm talking about firm partisans.

Bush's 'compassionate conservatism' was centered on trying to draw off some of those who have been staunchly Dem d/t the sense that government is there to take care of your needs by taking care of as many of their needs as he thought we could afford.

He converted NO ONE. They just hated them for not giving them MORE, or because he was rich and white, or because there was an 'R' after his name that nothing could forgive, or because you never let yourself like someone who hillbillies and honeybooboos like, any number of reasons.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 07:56 PM
Tell me what part of Obama's budgets (that not even a Democrat would vote for) you agree with...That's dude's road map for our future and it's ugly...

All of it

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:01 PM
Another thing, and I hesitate to even bring it up and clue the other side of the aisle in.

But this election cycle has gone beyond whether anyone but Obama will fail like anyone but Bush. News AND opinion coverage is squarely fixated solely on how any and every thing Romney does is a 'new chapter in unconscionable and craven missteps.' Promotion of Obama qua Obama has been nearly completely abandoned.

SNL opened their show this last Saturday with this very conceit in a humorous, but telling, manner. Obama/Pharoah gave a speech that was basically 'I know I'm a big dud, but we have a secret weapon,' then cut to a bunch of Romney/Sudekis clips of him looking silly. Then he closed with a couple of bars of 'Let's Stay Together.'

Will it work? It's a big gamble to put ALL your eggs in the 'do you really want THIS dickhead' basket.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:05 PM
To the left it is. They have to win. Doesn't much matter what it is the victory gets them...

And that doesn't apply to the right? I mean I know they are so honest and everything. lol

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 08:07 PM
Seriously? Read the Affordable Care Act.Get out of the bubble.

Obamacare is not going to being down the USA.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 08:07 PM
All of it

Wow!

Too bad you're not in Congress...he could have used the vote...

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:08 PM
Wow!

Too bad you're not in Congress...he could have used the vote...

I'm an Obot I do what I am told

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 08:10 PM
And that doesn't apply to the right? I mean I know they are so honest and everything. lol

You're right -- you enjoy those trillion dollar deficits, high unemployment, and anemic growth while Obama tries to spend us to prosperity...when the entitlement nation he's feeding collapses be sure to remember who got you there...

HonestChieffan
09-17-2012, 08:10 PM
You don't really believe that

What has he done you hoped for? And what did he promice that he did not do? Can you be honest and realistic? Obama is passing Carter as the biggest failure in modern times. The Obots like you are unwilling to admit that your guy had made you out. To be a complete fool. It is hard to believe how anyone can support this clown

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 08:10 PM
I'm an Obot I do what I am told

LMAO

Happy days!

CoMoChief
09-17-2012, 08:10 PM
Well it's the truth.

You saw it with the morons who thought they were going to have their bills and gas and housing paid by Obama.

They actually BELIEVE that shit.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 08:12 PM
Well it's the truth.

You saw it with the morons who thought they were going to have their bills and gas and housing paid by Obama.

They actually BELIEVE that shit.

The only response Obama has to why there is more debt, more poverty, less employment, and less growth is "it's the Republican's fault."

stonedstooge
09-17-2012, 08:12 PM
If the media told the real story of what's going on in this country, the election wouldn't even be close

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 08:14 PM
If the media told the real story of what's going on in this country, the election wouldn't even be close

Yeah, but they won't, so you can't blame them. Romney's just a very uninspiring candidate because he thinks he can say nothing and win. People aren't going to elect plain yogurt, even if they know it's the right thing to do.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:16 PM
You're right -- you enjoy those trillion dollar deficits, high unemployment, and anemic growth while Bush tries to spend us to prosperity...when the entitlement nation he's feeding collapses be sure to remember who got you there...

So 2004

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:17 PM
And that doesn't apply to the right? I mean I know they are so honest and everything. lol

Can't speak for 'the right' but I have a clear and express history of being receptive to anyone who is fiscally sound.

I don't poke the Paul-bears unduly. I voted for McAskill [how disappointing was that in hindsight, but she was impressive hunting down waste in state government]. I stated that I would support so much as Obama over the likes of Huckabee and Santorum because with them you get fiscal and social intrusion.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 08:18 PM
Yeah, but they won't, so you can't blame them. Romney's just a very uninspiring candidate because he thinks he can say nothing and win. People aren't going to elect plain yogurt, even if they know it's the right thing to do.They dont like what he is selling. They may not like the current guy, but they think this guys plan will make it worse.

Maybe if you went to the right more as a party, that will work.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:22 PM
What has he done you hoped for? And what did he promice that he did not do? Can you be honest and realistic? Obama is passing Carter as the biggest failure in modern times. The Obots like you are unwilling to admit that your guy had made you out. To be a complete fool. It is hard to believe how anyone can support this clown

Obama hasn't been perfect and I never stated he was. He has made mistakes and he has done some good things just like every other POTUS. This caricature the right has implanted in their small pea brains that he is some far-left zealot isn't borne out of facts.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:26 PM
Can't speak for 'the right' but I have a clear and express history of being receptive to anyone who is fiscally sound.

I don't poke the Paul-bears unduly. I voted for McAskill [how disappointing was that in hindsight, but she was impressive hunting down waste in state government]. I stated that I would support so much as Obama over the likes of Huckabee and Santorum because with them you get fiscal and social intrusion.

That is because you are reasonable and can think for yourself BL.

With Romney you are going to get more social intrusion.

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:26 PM
Obama hasn't been perfect and I never stated he was. He has made mistakes and he has done some good things just like every other POTUS. This caricature the right has implanted in their small pea brains that he is some far-left zealot isn't borne out of facts.

His words suggest aspirations to the contrary.

Do you think 'the facts' are what he wanted from the outset or are everything he hoped they would be? Or is it more likely that 'the facts' have been shaped just as much by his opposition as by him?

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 08:26 PM
So 2004

I love how liberals think... ;)

RINGLEADER
09-17-2012, 08:29 PM
They dont like what he is selling. They may not like the current guy, but they think this guys plan will make it worse.

Maybe if you went to the right more as a party, that will work.


All I keep hearing is that it's a lack of a plan that is dooming this guy...

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 08:29 PM
With Romney you are going to get more social intrusion.don't say anything about potential issues with social issues around Dallas Chief

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:30 PM
That is because you are reasonable and can think for yourself BL.

With Romney you are going to get more social intrusion.

If so, I'll be pissed and vote to remove him next time around, but I honestly don't believe that will be the case. If he can govern social issues to the approval of MA in much less dire times, he'll be fine on that front while tackling our present fiscal problems. It's certainly worth the gamble versus the certain and express aspirations of Obama regarding economic, energy and fiscal power, not in a second term unencumbered by public sentiment.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 08:32 PM
All I keep hearing is that it's a lack of a plan that is dooming this guy...No, its the same plan that Bush had. How can you convince anyone outside of the bubble to say lets give George W's policies another try?

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:33 PM
His words suggest aspirations to the contrary.

Do you think 'the facts' are what he wanted from the outset or are everything he hoped they would be? Or is it more likely that 'the facts' have been shaped just as much by his opposition as by him?

I disagree. If he was a far-left zealot he would have advocated for medicare for all instead of a give away to the insurance companies. He certainly wouldn't have gotten rid of the public option.

If he was a far-left zealot there would no drones, no warrantless wiretaps, no troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, Bin laden would still be alive, etc etc

His actions speak of someone who is a pragmatist and who is center left.

La literatura
09-17-2012, 08:33 PM
If so, I'll be pissed and vote to remove him next time around, but I honestly don't believe that will be the case. If he can govern social issues to the approval of MA in much less dire times, he'll be fine on that front while tackling our present fiscal problems. It's certainly worth the gamble versus the certain and express aspirations of Obama regarding economic, energy and fiscal power, not in a second term unencumbered by public sentiment.

Beware the unleashing of the socialist utopia.

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:35 PM
No, its the same plan that Bush had. How can you convince anyone outside of the bubble to say lets give George W's policies another try?

I'd ask you AGAIN what specific policies if I wern't metaphysically assured that your sole response would be 'the ones that got us in this mess' if any response at all were forthcoming.

NewChief
09-17-2012, 08:36 PM
Joan Walsh weighs in. (http://www.salon.com/2012/09/18/mitt_romney_hates_half_the_country/)

I want to break down the cruelty and the inaccuracy of what Romney said. That 47 percent “who pay no income tax” has become a core issue in the campaign for Republicans. But according to the Washington Post, of those Americans who don’t pay federal income taxes, 61% pay payroll taxes, and almost a quarter are elderly. The most important point is: they all work, and most are eligible for a federal tax credit for low-wage earners that was a Republican idea, as an alternative to welfare (this is my hobby horse and I won’t ride it now, if you care you can read about it here and in my book.) Oh, and the U.S. military is apparently also counted in this number. Those parasites.

Second, obviously all 47 percent of Americans who pay no income tax are not voting for Barack Obama. Sadly, a lot of elderly white people and some of the white working class included in that 47 percent are the bedrock of the GOP base. Romney’s been using the old racially coded GOP dog whistle of railing against “welfare” (and lying about it, too) but now that he’s talking about the 47 percent of Americans who supposedly see themselves as “victims…entitled” to government support, he’s talking about mainly white people. Particularly when he rails against the “dependent,” Romney is talking about his older white base, which is dependent on Social Security and Medicare and doesn’t want either program touched. But this is why Romney has had a hard time closing the deal with white working class voters, and the video isn’t going to help.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 08:37 PM
His words suggest aspirations to the contrary.And Romney's words on potential social intrusions dont worry you but Obamas words do?

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:39 PM
I disagree. If he was a far-left zealot he would have advocated for medicare for all instead of a give away to the insurance companies. He certainly wouldn't have gotten rid of the public option.

If he was a far-left zealot there would no drones, no warrantless wiretaps, no troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, Bin laden would still be alive, etc etc

His actions speak of someone who is a pragmatist and who is center left.

On OBAMACare, he left its actual construction to legislative partisans, partially out of allofness, partially out of confidence they would be more attuned to what was 'doable' a that date in time and confident that starting the process was the most important step, so they could expand down the line.

On national security I don't have a lot of beef regarding those things you mention, and further and MORE IMPORTANTLY think it will be the response of ANY POTUS day one after their first Intelligence Briefing.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:39 PM
If so, I'll be pissed and vote to remove him next time around, but I honestly don't believe that will be the case. If he can govern social issues to the approval of MA in much less dire times, he'll be fine on that front while tackling our present fiscal problems. It's certainly worth the gamble versus the certain and express aspirations of Obama regarding economic, energy and fiscal power, not in a second term unencumbered by public sentiment.

You realize he is already stated he is going to appoint conservative judges to get rid of Roe v Wade? Now you be for that so that might please you.

He also is going to ban porn or try to. He also wants to put a porn filter on every PC in the country. So much for freedom

Mitt Romney’s campaign told a leading anti-pornography group that the Republican nominee will pursue and prosecute pornography if elected president.

Three months ago, well after Romney became the presumptive Republican nominee, his campaign held multiple meetings with Morality in Media, a group which describes itself as the “leading national organization opposing pornography and indecency,” according to executive director Dawn Hawkins.

She told ThinkProgress that they had met with Alex Wong, Romney’s political director and legal policy adviser, to discuss the issue of pornography and what he would do about it if elected president.

During that meeting, Wong allegedly told Morality in Media that the campaign “would pursue prosecutions” of pornography and that the issue is “important to them.” The Romney campaign met with the organization “a number of times” in the past three months, Hawkins said.

La literatura
09-17-2012, 08:42 PM
Between paranoid concerns over losing porn or paranoid concerns over a socialist utopia . . . that's a tough call.

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:42 PM
And Romney's words on potential social intrusions dont worry you but Obamas words do?

Now I KNOW it's useless to ask for specifics, because there are no high profile, concentrated remarks on social intrusions like you allude to.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 08:43 PM
I'd ask you AGAIN what specific policies if I wern't metaphysically assured that your sole response would be 'the ones that got us in this mess' if any response at all were forthcoming.Not going there because you keep handing out opinions as facts. So lets try this.....

Why would we want to provide tax cuts heavily favored for the rich in a time of a budget crisis?

Why would we trust a man who acknowledges that he is going to create a $5 trillion deficit with his program, but trust him, he will find tax loopholes to close on the rich?

AustinChief
09-17-2012, 08:45 PM
You realize he is already stated he is going to appoint conservative judges to get rid of Roe v Wade? Now you be for that so that might please you.

He also is going to ban porn or try to. He also wants to put a porn filter on every PC in the country. So much for freedom

Neither of these is happening and everyone knows it on both sides of the aisle.

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:46 PM
You realize he is already stated he is going to appoint conservative judges to get rid of Roe v Wade? Now you be for that so that might please you.

He also is going to ban porn or try to. He also wants to put a porn filter on every PC in the country. So much for freedom

Abortion and Porn aren't going anywhere. MAYBE in month 9 of year 7 of a Romney administration you'll see work on better parental controls for the internet along the lines of Clinton/Gore's V-chip.

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:50 PM
Not going there because you keep handing out opinions as facts.

Bull fucking shit. I know what opinions are and I know what facts are. Facts speak for themselves and opinions I bolster with a coherent rationale.

You OTOH, sputter a few 'but what about's' then run away, far far away.

You have a rebuttal, stand like a man and assert it. Don't run away and dive bomb back in with generalized unsupported dismissals you've left fallow for days and weeks.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 08:51 PM
Neither of these is happening and everyone knows it on both sides of the aisle.

Abortion and Porn aren't going anywhere. MAYBE in month 9 of year 7 of a Romney administration you'll see work on better parental controls for the internet along the lines of Clinton/Gore's V-chip.

So are you saying he is lying? :D

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 08:57 PM
So are you saying he is lying? :D

To my ears, he hasn't said anything yet regarding those issues.

Based on your post of 5 minutes ago, we first need to determine if Alex Wong, whomever 'She told ThinkProgress,' or ThinkProgress are lying.

Dallas Chief
09-17-2012, 09:03 PM
I think Romney's killshot came in Clinton's speech at the DNC.

But this sinks him. We're looking at a potential landslide, now.

Platitudes and phagabeefee. You are full of both. Now go get your shine box!!!

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 09:04 PM
Now I KNOW it's useless to ask for specifics, because there are no high profile, concentrated remarks on social intrusions like you allude to.
From his official website:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/values

Mitt believes that life begins at conception

Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us. As president, Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America’s values of preserving life at home and abroad.

No stem cell research:
Scientific research and the preservation of human dignity are complementary, and America’s laws must reflect this conviction.

Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman




<center> From ontheissues.org


Church employee birth control violates religious conscience </center>

Q: Birth control is the latest hot topic. Do you believe in birth control, and if not, why?ROMNEY: In the previous debate, we wondered why in the world did contraception come up? Well, we found out when Barack Obama continued his attack on religious conscience. I don't think we've seen in the history of this country the kind of attack on religious conscience, religious freedom, religious tolerance that we've seen under Barack Obama. Most recently requiring the Catholic Church to provide for its employees health care insurance that would include birth control, sterilization and the morning-after pill. Unbelievable. And he retried to retreat from that but he retreated in a way that was not appropriate, because these insurance companies now have to provide these same things and obviously the Catholic Church will end up paying for them.
<center> Source: CNN's 2012 GOP Debate on eve of Arizona Primary (http://www.ontheissues.org/2012_CNN_AZ.htm) , Feb 22, 2012 </center>
<center> MA churches can choose to not provide morning-after pills </center>

Q: Speaker Gingrich has said during your tenure as governor, you required Catholic hospitals to provide emergency contraception to rape victims. Did you?ROMNEY: No, absolutely not. There was no requirement in Massachusetts for the Catholic Church to provide morning-after pills to rape victims. That was entirely voluntary on their part. Likewise, there's a provision in Massachusetts General Law that says people don't have to have coverage for contraceptives or other type of medical devices which are contrary to their religious teachings. Churches also don't have to provide that.
GINGRICH: Well, the reports we got were quite clear that the public health department was prepared to give a waiver to Catholic hospitals about a morning-after abortion pill, and that the governor's office issued explicit instructions saying that they believed it wasn't possible under Massachusetts law. When you have government as the central provider of services, you inevitably move towards tyranny.
<center> Source: CNN's 2012 GOP Debate on eve of Arizona Primary (http://www.ontheissues.org/2012_CNN_AZ.htm) , Feb 22, 2012 </center>
<center> Courts added tax-paid abortions to RomneyCare; not me </center>

GINGRICH: Governor Romney has said that he had an experience in a lab and became pro-life, and I accept that. After he became pro-life, RomneyCare does pay for tax-paid abortions. RomneyCare has written into it Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the country, by name. ROMNEY: First, in RomneyCare, there's no mention of abortion whatsoever. The Massachusetts Supreme Court decided that all times that there was any subsidy of health care in Massachusetts that one received abortion care. That was not done by the legislature; I would have vetoed such a thing. That was done by the courts. #2, it's true, somewhere in that bill of ours, 70 pages, there's the mention of the words "Planned Parenthood," but it describes payment structures.
SANTORUM: You do not specifically mention that abortion is not covered. You can't say: Oh, gee, surprise, the court made us cover abortions. He knew very well that the court would make him cover abortions.
<center> Source: South Carolina 2012 GOP debate hosted by CNN's John King (http://www.ontheissues.org/2012_CNN_SC_GOP.htm) , Jan 19, 2012 </center>
<center> I had no litmus test for appointing judges, but I'm pro-life </center>

GINGRICH: Governor Romney did appoint pro-abortion judges.ROMNEY: I appointed probably 50 or 60 judges--at the trial court level, mostly, the great majority. These were former prosecutors; 80% of them former prosecutors. We don't have a litmus test for appointing judges--asking them if they're pro-life or not pro-life. These were people going after crimes and the like. I am pro-life. And the Massachusetts Citizens for Life and several other family-oriented groups wrote a letter two weeks ago and said they'd watched my record, that I was an avidly pro-life governor. I am a pro-life governor; I am a pro-life individual. Is there any possibility that I've ever made a mistake in that regard, I didn't see something that I should have seen? Possibly. But you can count on me, as president, to pursue a policy that protects the life of unborn, whether here in this country or overseas. And I'll reverse the policies of this president.
<center> Source: South Carolina 2012 GOP debate hosted by CNN's John King (http://www.ontheissues.org/2012_CNN_SC_GOP.htm) , Jan 19, 2012 </center>
<center> Scientifically, life begins at conception </center>

Romney has rejected suggestions that politics motivated his change of heart on abortion & embryonic stem cell research. "Everybody's entitled to their own view," he said. "Some people who look at the issue of the beginning of life from the lens of their faith say, 'When does the spirit enter the body?' That is not the lens that I think a secular leader should use. I look from a scientific standpoint. Romney said he arrived at his moral answer after pressing scientists on the cloning process. "When you create this clone, when you take the nucleus of a skin cell of a male and put it in an egg of the female, do you at that point have life?" Romney recalled asking. "And they said, 'No question, it is life. Once you put these together, you have life.' That's all I need to know for when the definition of when human life begins."The extent of Romney's shift became clear in July 2005 when he vetoed a bill for the morning-after pill and to require hospitals to make it available to rape victims.
<center> Source: The Real Romney, by Kranish & Helman, p.254-255 (http://www.ontheissues.org/Real_Romney.htm) , Jan 17, 2012 </center>

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Bull fucking shit. I know what opinions are and I know what facts are. Facts speak for themselves and opinions I bolster with a coherent rationale.yet, you havent answered my questions.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 09:08 PM
To my ears, he hasn't said anything yet regarding those issues.

Based on your post of 5 minutes ago, we first need to determine if Alex Wong, whomever 'She told ThinkProgress,' or ThinkProgress are lying.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865562332/Prosecute-pornography-Why-Mitt-Romney-and-President-Obama-cant-agree.html

La literatura
09-17-2012, 09:12 PM
To my ears, he hasn't said anything yet regarding those issues.

What have your ears told you about the socialist utopia Obama will establish beginning Nov. 7, 2012? Specific policies, please.

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 09:14 PM
From his official website:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BM0TZ9IPUes" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Seriously though. These are what you call BENIGN aspirations.

Respect for life, religious institutions, conscience. They can be at odds with secularism but they can co-exist on the level of respect. Socialism and Free Market are less comfortable bedfellows. Either government provides or you provide for yourself. To try otherwise is to mask 'providing for yourself' in the cloak of toadying government to clear your path, AKA crony capitalism.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 09:17 PM
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BM0TZ9IPUes" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

Seriously though. These are what you call BENIGN aspirations.

Respect for life, religious institutions, conscience. They can be at odds with secularism but they can co-exist on the level of respect. Socialism and Free Market are less comfortable bedfellows. Either government provides or you provide for yourself. To try otherwise is to mask 'providing for yourself' in the cloak of toadying government to clear your path, AKA crony capitalism.So Obamas views/words are a concern but Romneys are benign. Got it. All cleared up now. :thumb:

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 09:18 PM
What have your ears told you about the socialist utopia Obama will establish beginning Nov. 7, 2012? Specific policies, please.

Don't pretend that there are no sources regarding taking baby steps towards single payer or towards making efficient cost-effective energy less cost-effective through demonization and regulation, or towards spreading the wealth around that those entrepreneurs didn't build or earn, or that I haven't already discussed them here before.

Iowanian
09-17-2012, 09:18 PM
He didn't say anything that isn't true.


about half of the country does feel entitled to a free, comfortable ride.

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 09:21 PM
Half of Americans fit the description he was selling?

Heh.

I am not going to pretend to know the exact number but it is really high. I went back home in Oregon and a friend wanted to hook up for a beer. Bunch of guys at the bar bitching about Romney and his taxation policy. I asked the group how much they paid in taxes last year. It got real quiet. We are just a big fat ass Greece when it comes to lazy ass people who feel entitled. Heaven forbid they can't drink on the man.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 09:22 PM
Mittens knows he is dead meat. He just held a hastily arranged PC and took 3 questions. LMAO

Yahoo News' Holly Bailey reports Romney took three questions at the press conference in Orange County, CA. Her tweets:
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/356311734/airplane_normal.jpg Holly Bailey @hollybdc (https://twitter.com/hollybdc)
Romney says his argument wasn't "elegantly stated" but suggests he stands by the jist of his message in the video

17 Sep 12 (https://twitter.com/hollybdc/statuses/247878287983005697)

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https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/356311734/airplane_normal.jpg Holly Bailey @hollybdc (https://twitter.com/hollybdc)
Romney: "This is the same message i give to people" in public

17 Sep 12 (https://twitter.com/hollybdc/statuses/247878569500499970)

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Romney walks away when asked if they are "core convictions" and what he believes. Just three q's

Iowanian
09-17-2012, 09:24 PM
HE shouldn't apologize for saying any of it. It wasn't mean, it was true.


If you're offended by that, you're probably an entitlement anchor of some sort.

La literatura
09-17-2012, 09:25 PM
Don't pretend that there are no sources regarding taking baby steps towards single payer or towards making efficient cost-effective energy less cost-effective through demonization and regulation, or towards spreading the wealth around that those entrepreneurs didn't build or earn, or that I haven't already discussed them here before.

He did health care reform; regulation and clean energy is standard Democratic Party policy; he's completely open about returning to pre-Bush tax rates for wealthy.

You make it sound so sinister, like saying that Romney is the spearhead of a Mormon takeover of the country that once so strongly ran it to the wilderness.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 09:26 PM
HE shouldn't apologize for saying any of it. It wasn't mean, it was true.

If you're offended by that, you're probably an entitlement anchor of some sort.

What conservatives crassly deem as "class warfare" doesn't offend you, I suppose.

Because if this isn't that, nothing is.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 09:27 PM
HE shouldn't apologize for saying any of it. It wasn't mean, it was true.


If you're offended by that, you're probably an entitlement anchor of some sort.

It's true 47% of Americans believe they are victims?

Baby Lee
09-17-2012, 09:27 PM
So Obamas views/words are a concern but Romneys are benign. Got it. All cleared up now. :thumb:

And you complain that I don't 'answer your questions?'

Again, I laid out my rationale.

One can be conscientious about life, sanctity and conscience without being a steamroller. It gets much more difficult when it comes from opportunity versus government largess.
'Legal, safe and rare' was a perfectly reasonable compromise in the Clinton era [particularly when Bubba exhaled his 'raaaaaarrrrrrre' for like a week and a half, where pro-lifers who were otherwise liberals squeed in delight while out-and-out Dems ignored it completely ;)]. And it seemed to pay dividends in lowered abortion rates.
The problem with compromise in fiscal realm is that the middle ground is a morass of 'shovel ready jobs' being a front for 'no show contracts' like the Sopranos were so, . . . effective, . . . in negotiating. Crony Capitalism.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 09:27 PM
Maybe Mittens is talking about his own supporters. Look at all these deadbeat losers

http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-mapM.jpg

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 09:29 PM
It's true 47% of Americans believe they are victims?

They blame their lack of success on the system, yes. I don't know if it's 47% but it's high and most of them are pathetic slugs who have learned to live off the system and yes they all will vote for Obama for obvious reasons.

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 09:30 PM
Maybe Mittens is talking about his own supporters. Look at all these deadbeat losers

http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-mapM.jpg

I don't know one dead beat that is not voting for Obama and I don't know one small business owner that is. Nice attempt at a spin though.

A Salt Weapon
09-17-2012, 09:31 PM
I'm glad he said it, hell I might even vote for him now.
Fuck all the free-loading liberals.
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dirk digler
09-17-2012, 09:31 PM
They blame their lack of success on the system, yes. I don't know if it's 47% but it's high and most of them are pathetic slugs who have learned to live off the system and yes they all will vote for Obama for obvious reasons.

The majority are white and probably vote Republican.

La literatura
09-17-2012, 09:36 PM
The majority are white and probably vote Republican.

Yeah, but they need the SS because [some medical issue], unlike the blacks on the other side of town who use it because they are [lazy, stupid, mating like rabbits].

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 09:36 PM
I am not going to pretend to know the exact number but it is really high. I went back home in Oregon and a friend wanted to hook up for a beer. Bunch of guys at the bar bitching about Romney and his taxation policy. I asked the group how much they paid in taxes last year. It got real quiet. We are just a big fat ass Greece when it comes to lazy ass people who feel entitled. Heaven forbid they can't drink on the man.

cool story bro

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 09:36 PM
They blame their lack of success on the system, yes. I don't know if it's 47% but it's high and most of them are pathetic slugs who have learned to live off the system and yes they all will vote for Obama for obvious reasons.Big Daddy, sure there are lazy do nothing sponges on the taxpayer dime in that 47%. Yet.....

In that 47% you have retirees, people on social security, disability and military troops. I dont have the % but its not a small% of that 47%.

And FTR, I'm in favor of a minimum tax.

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 09:37 PM
The majority are white and probably vote Republican.

Small business owners are the backbone of this country, period. You can try and put a racial slant on it all you want. If it wasn't for them this country would suck ass. Obama is for slackers and unions, the last thing he is for is the business owners that make it all happen.

A Salt Weapon
09-17-2012, 09:38 PM
I don't know one dead beat that is not voting for Obama and I don't know one small business owner that is. Nice attempt at a spin though.

Sweet, lowest percentage of worthless shitheads not paying taxes up here. I can live with that.
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BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 09:39 PM
Small business owners are the backbone of this country, period. You can try and put a racial slant on it all you want. If it wasn't for them this country would suck ass. Obama is for slackers and unions, the last thing he is for is the business owners that make it all happen.Then why did the republicans kill a tax incentive/cut for small businesses this summer that Obama proposed?

La literatura
09-17-2012, 09:40 PM
Small business owners are the backbone of this country, period. You can try and put a racial slant on it all you want. If it wasn't for them this country would suck ass. Obama is for slackers and unions, the last thing he is for is the business owners that make it all happen.

Filipino Tilt-a-Whirl operators are this nation's backbone.

BigRedChief
09-17-2012, 09:44 PM
I'm glad he said it, hell I might even vote for him now.
Fuck all the free-loading liberals.
Posted via Mobile DeviceWhere are these free loading liberals located in the USA? ...uhhhh lets see...maybe just a post or two in front of your post. The bubble man, get out every once in a while.
http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-mapM.jpg

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 09:45 PM
cool story bro

You can ignore reality all you want. Obama getting re-elected is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. He will bring the whole system down and once the spigot is turned off they will be crying in the streets wondering where their free handout went just like Greece. You killed the golden goose bro. Small business is already adapting. Cash businesses are all the rage now. All you need to do is look at Italy to see how business in the future will be done here. Big money is leaving the country or bracing for the fallout. Paulson fund is in 40% gold right now.

A Salt Weapon
09-17-2012, 09:48 PM
I don't know one dead beat that is not voting for Obama and I don't know one small business owner that is.

I've met a few business owners that are supporting obama, disgusting really, however race and liberal-self-hating-white-guilt trump common sense it would appear.
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dirk digler
09-17-2012, 09:48 PM
Small business owners are the backbone of this country, period. You can try and put a racial slant on it all you want. If it wasn't for them this country would suck ass. Obama is for slackers and unions, the last thing he is for is the business owners that make it all happen.

No one said anything about small business owners. You said all the slackers vote for Obama which clearly isn't true. All you have to do is look at that map that shows what states have the most people that pay no income tax.

ChiefaRoo
09-17-2012, 09:48 PM
Vote Romney, or else you're a freeloading bum.

Yeah, that's a great outlook.

Gross exaggeration. Conflation of the first order.

Let's all change the subject and ignore the Presidents gross failure.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 09:49 PM
You can ignore reality all you want. Obama getting re-elected is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. He will bring the whole system down and once the spigot is turned off they will be crying in the streets wondering where their free handout went just like Greece. You killed the golden goose bro. Small business is already adapting. Cash businesses are all the rage now. All you need to do is look at Italy to see how business in the future will be done here. Big money is leaving the country or bracing for the fallout. Paulson find is in 40% gold right now.

You are adorable.

Iowanian
09-17-2012, 09:50 PM
What conservatives crassly deem as "class warfare" doesn't offend you, I suppose.
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Because if this isn't that, nothing is.

I grew up poor. I know a lot of people who have been or are still in a poverty level.

Quite a few of those people are not lazy, but have made decisions in their lives that have limited their income and yes, most of them are glad to have a handout.


It doesn't offend me because I think there is 1 way to get out of poverty regardless of your path...hard work. Be it through education, employment, lifestyle choices.

I definitely believe in picking yourself up by the boot straps. So no, class warfare doesn't bother me when it's going both ways. No reason the democrats should be the only group allowed to use that card.

Why is it offensive to mention welfare like it's not known that it's a free lunch for the democratic candidates, but it IS if the Repubs point that out? I didn't hear Romney say anything disparaging about those people, only that they're in Obama's pocket.

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 09:51 PM
Then why did the republicans kill a tax incentive/cut for small businesses this summer that Obama proposed?

Romney is a POS and this whole disaster really got it's steam starting with Bush. That said there is simply no excuse for voting for a guy with no concept of fiscal responsibility who had a chance to save us but instead put the pedal to the metal and aimed our country straight at that brick wall.

A Salt Weapon
09-17-2012, 09:52 PM
Where are these free loading liberals located in the USA? ...uhhhh lets see...maybe just a post or two in front of your post. The bubble man, get out every once in a while.
http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-mapM.jpg

Every person I have met in the last 4+ yrs that supports obama is on gov't assistance or employed in the public sector.
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BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 09:54 PM
Every person I have met in the last 4+ yrs that supports obama is on gov't assistance or employed in the public sector.
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YES!!!!! That is right on the money.

La literatura
09-17-2012, 09:55 PM
You can ignore reality all you want. Obama getting re-elected is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. He will bring the whole system down and once the spigot is turned off they will be crying in the streets wondering where their free handout went just like Greece. You killed the golden goose bro. Small business is already adapting. Cash businesses are all the rage now. All you need to do is look at Italy to see how business in the future will be done here. Big money is leaving the country or bracing for the fallout. Paulson find is in 40% gold right now.

Scare tactics. I think that's a good marketing move for the Romney campaign.

Video of Greece/London-like riots. Camera falls on a child roaming the streets in ragged clothes amidst the violence. Child turns head and stares back at camera, slowly zooming into face. In a fade, there's a flashback. The camera is focused on a younger child being held in his mother's arms (it's the roaming child, a couple years earlier). Camera shot of mother in voting booth. Cut to mother's ballot, we see her check "Barack Obama," and slide the ballot into the voting slot. Mother walks out. Camera follows, then is still, watches the mother and child walk out, and child turns head and stares back at camera.

Cut to black screen. Then the words: The future is in your hands. Still screen. A sober voice. "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 09:57 PM
I grew up poor. I know a lot of people who have been or are still in a poverty level.

Quite a few of those people are not lazy, but have made decisions in their lives that have limited their income and yes, most of them are glad to have a handout.

It doesn't offend me because I think there is 1 way to get out of poverty regardless of your path...hard work. Be it through education, employment, lifestyle choices.

I definitely believe in picking yourself up by the boot straps. So no, class warfare doesn't bother me when it's going both ways. No reason the democrats should be the only group allowed to use that card.

Why is it offensive to mention welfare like it's not known that it's a free lunch for the democratic candidates, but it IS if the Repubs point that out? I didn't hear Romney say anything disparaging about those people, only that they're in Obama's pocket.

It's offensive because it's a crass, blanket intended to demean, and then he directly implied his job is not to care about them. He said they expect food and shelter. And implied that they therefore must be in the tank for Obama. And he cited a 47% figure that lumps in the elderly and much of the middle class. That 47% figure included you, if your story about your history is to be believed, for much of your life. And "quite a few" of the other people you respect who were in similar conditions but not content to sit back and collect welfare.

And he did all this on the dime of a Party that believes offending the rich is something called "class warfare."

Other than that, you're doing great. :thumb:

The Republican Party and its nominee proved tonight that they have no problem with class warfare. They only care if it's targeting the wealthy.

La literatura
09-17-2012, 09:58 PM
Every person I have met in the last 4+ yrs that supports obama is on gov't assistance or employed in the public sector.
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Maybe you should hang out with Dane, and he can introduce you to his friend George Clooney.

ChiefaRoo
09-17-2012, 09:59 PM
It's offensive because it's a crass, blanket intended to demean, and then he directly implied his job is not to care about them. He said they expect food and shelter. And implied that they therefore must be in the tank for Obama. And he cited a 47% figure that lumps in the elderly and much of the middle class. That 47% figure included you, if your story about your history is to be believed, for much of your life.

And he's doing it on the dime of a Party that believes offending the rich is something called "class warfare."

Other than that, you're doing great. :thumb:

The Republican Party and its nominee proved tonight that they have no problem with class warfare. They only care if it's targeting the wealthy.


What a bunch of horseshit. Keep parading those strawmen arguments around.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 10:00 PM
Scare tactics. I think that's a good marketing move for the Romney campaign.

Video of Greece/London-like riots. Camera falls on a child roaming the streets in ragged clothes amidst the violence. Child turns head and stares back at camera, slowly zooming into face. In a fade, there's a flashback. The camera is focused on a younger child being held in his mother's arms (it's the roaming child, a couple years earlier). Camera shot of mother in voting booth. Cut to mother's ballot, we see her check "Barack Obama," and slide the ballot into the voting slot. Mother walks out. Camera follows, then is still, watches the mother and child walk out, and child turns head and stares back at camera.

Cut to black screen. Then the words: The future is in your hands. Still screen. A sober voice. "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."

Gold.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 10:02 PM
I grew up poor. I know a lot of people who have been or are still in a poverty level.

Quite a few of those people are not lazy, but have made decisions in their lives that have limited their income and yes, most of them are glad to have a handout.


It doesn't offend me because I think there is 1 way to get out of poverty regardless of your path...hard work. Be it through education, employment, lifestyle choices.

I definitely believe in picking yourself up by the boot straps. So no, class warfare doesn't bother me when it's going both ways. No reason the democrats should be the only group allowed to use that card.

Why is it offensive to mention welfare like it's not known that it's a free lunch for the democratic candidates, but it IS if the Repubs point that out? I didn't hear Romney say anything disparaging about those people, only that they're in Obama's pocket.

I don't disagree with much of what you posted but he certainly disparaged half the country with him calling people victims and they don't want to take personal responsibility.

There is no question that there is lazy people that try to scam the system and don't want to work but they are part of both parties or no party. They aren't exclusive to Democrats or Obama supporters.

La literatura
09-17-2012, 10:04 PM
I don't disagree with much of what you posted but he certainly disparaged half the country with him calling people victims and they don't want to take personal responsibility.

There is no question that there is lazy people that try to scam the system and don't want to work but they are part of both parties or no party. They aren't exclusive to Democrats or Obama supporters.

You know what doesn't exist? Veterans who support Obama. They just don't exist.

SNR
09-17-2012, 10:04 PM
You think all Obama supporters are victims?

Just Warren Buffet.

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 10:05 PM
It's offensive because it's a crass, blanket intended to demean, and then he directly implied his job is not to care about them. He said they expect food and shelter. And implied that they therefore must be in the tank for Obama. And he cited a 47% figure that lumps in the elderly and much of the middle class. That 47% figure included you, if your story about your history is to be believed, for much of your life. And "quite a few" of the other people you respect who were in similar conditions but not content to sit back and collect welfare.

And he did all this on the dime of a Party that believes offending the rich is something called "class warfare."

Other than that, you're doing great. :thumb:

The Republican Party and its nominee proved tonight that they have no problem with class warfare. They only care if it's targeting the wealthy.

yep

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 10:07 PM
You know what doesn't exist? Veterans who support Obama. They just don't exist.

And small business owners

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BIG_DADDY
09-17-2012, 10:07 PM
Scare tactics. I think that's a good marketing move for the Romney campaign.

Video of Greece/London-like riots. Camera falls on a child roaming the streets in ragged clothes amidst the violence. Child turns head and stares back at camera, slowly zooming into face. In a fade, there's a flashback. The camera is focused on a younger child being held in his mother's arms (it's the roaming child, a couple years earlier). Camera shot of mother in voting booth. Cut to mother's ballot, we see her check "Barack Obama," and slide the ballot into the voting slot. Mother walks out. Camera follows, then is still, watches the mother and child walk out, and child turns head and stares back at camera.

Cut to black screen. Then the words: The future is in your hands. Still screen. A sober voice. "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."

You think our debt/spending is a scare tactic? LMAO This is where these discussions end. YOu obviously have a serious issue in dealing with reality.

KC native
09-17-2012, 10:07 PM
You can ignore reality all you want. Obama getting re-elected is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. He will bring the whole system down and once the spigot is turned off they will be crying in the streets wondering where their free handout went just like Greece. You killed the golden goose bro. Small business is already adapting. Cash businesses are all the rage now. All you need to do is look at Italy to see how business in the future will be done here. Big money is leaving the country or bracing for the fallout. Paulson fund is in 40% gold right now.

Oh emmmm geeeee teh sKiiiieeeeeeee izzzz fallin

DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 10:08 PM
YES!!!!! That is right on the money.

Where are you living now?

Maybe I'm in a bubble, but the only people I know that are voting Romney live in Kansas and Texas. Well, there is ONE guy in Cali that I know. ;)

And those who are fervent Obama supporters certainly aren't on the government teet.

J Diddy
09-17-2012, 10:08 PM
HE shouldn't apologize for saying any of it. It wasn't mean, it was true.


If you're offended by that, you're probably an entitlement anchor of some sort.

He just called almost half the country mooches. I'm not by a damn site offended by that, however, I'm sure a lot are.

I'm sure that's going to help the shit out of his already soft ratings.

KC native
09-17-2012, 10:09 PM
You can ignore reality all you want. Obama getting re-elected is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. He will bring the whole system down and once the spigot is turned off they will be crying in the streets wondering where their free handout went just like Greece. You killed the golden goose bro. Small business is already adapting. Cash businesses are all the rage now. All you need to do is look at Italy to see how business in the future will be done here. Big money is leaving the country or bracing for the fallout. Paulson fund is in 40% gold right now.

Paulson is getting his ass kicked performance wise right now too. Don't let that get in your way.

J Diddy
09-17-2012, 10:09 PM
You think our debt/spending is a scare tactic? LMAO This is where these discussions end. YOu obviously have a serious issue in dealing with reality.

Hey you going to make another Obama losing bet?

dirk digler
09-17-2012, 10:10 PM
Just Warren Buffet.

At least he can afford to be one

SNR
09-17-2012, 10:10 PM
Scare tactics. I think that's a good marketing move for the Romney campaign.

Video of Greece/London-like riots. Camera falls on a child roaming the streets in ragged clothes amidst the violence. Child turns head and stares back at camera, slowly zooming into face. In a fade, there's a flashback. The camera is focused on a younger child being held in his mother's arms (it's the roaming child, a couple years earlier). Camera shot of mother in voting booth. Cut to mother's ballot, we see her check "Barack Obama," and slide the ballot into the voting slot. Mother walks out. Camera follows, then is still, watches the mother and child walk out, and child turns head and stares back at camera.

Cut to black screen. Then the words: The future is in your hands. Still screen. A sober voice. "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."
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La literatura
09-17-2012, 10:10 PM
You think our debt/spending is a scare tactic? LMAO This is where these discussions end. YOu obviously have a serious issue in dealing with reality.

No, I think debt/spending is a serious discussion. I think "He will bring the whole system down" is a scare tactic.

DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 10:11 PM
You think our debt/spending is a scare tactic? LMAO This is where these discussions end. YOu obviously have a serious issue in dealing with reality.

I think the debt issue is a bunch of political nonsense.

90% of the debt is to ourselves. In addition to that, we have so many countries that owe us trillions of dollars that it really is a scare tactic.

Now, do I think there should be a Balanced Budget? Absolutely. Do I think we need a strong debt reduction plan? You bet your ass. But I think "The Debt" has been overly politicized.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 10:21 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.html

The Real Romney Captured On Tape Turns Out To Be A Sneering Plutocrat
By Jonathan Chait
Yesterday at 10:26 PM

Presidential campaigns wallow so tediously in pseudo-events and manufactured outrage that our senses can be numbed to the appearance of something genuinely momentous. Mitt Romney’s secretly recorded comments at a fundraiser are such an event – they reveal something vital about Romney, and they disqualify his claim to the presidency.

To think of Romney’s leaked discourse as a “gaffe” grossly misdescribes its importance. Indeed the comments’ direct impact on the outcome of the election will probably be small. Romney repeated the wildly misleading but increasingly popular conservative talking point that 47% of Americans pay no income taxes. The federal income tax is, by design, one of the most progressive elements of the American tax system, but well over 80% of non-retired adults pay federal taxes. But most people hear “income taxes” and think “taxes,” which is why the trick of using one phrase to make audiences think of the other is a standard GOP trick when discussing taxes. For that very reason, it won’t strike many voters as an insult: Most people who don’t pay income taxes do pay other taxes, and fail to distinguish between them, and thus don’t consider themselves among the 47% scorned by Romney.

Instead the video exposes an authentic Romney as a far more sinister character than I had imagined. Here is the sneering plutocrat, fully in thrall to a series of pernicious myths that are at the heart of the mania that has seized his party. He believes that market incomes in the United States are a perfect reflection of merit. Far from seeing his own privileged upbringing as the private-school educated son of an auto executive-turned-governor as an obvious refutation of that belief, Romney cites his own life, preposterously, as a confirmation of it. (“I have inherited nothing. Everything I earned I earned the old fashioned way.”)

It is possible to cling to some version of this dogma and still believe, or to convince yourself, that cutting taxes for the rich or reducing benefits for the poor will eventually help the latter, by teaching them personal responsibility or freeing up Job Creators to favor them with opportunity. Instead Romney regards them as something akin to a permanent enemy class – “I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Romney explained to reporters tonight that his remarks were not "elegantly stated," but did not repudiate them as his true beliefs. In fact, it was quite eloquently stated. The Romney speaking to fundraisers was not the halting, smarmy figure so frequently on public display but an eloquent and passionate orator. He had no reason to believe his donors needed to hear him denounce the poor — they would have been perfectly satisfied with a bromide about how cutting taxes on the rich will create opportunity for one and all. Instead he put himself forward as the hopeful president of the top half of America against the bottom.

Some pundits have likened Romney’s comments to Barack Obama’s 2008 monologue, also secretly recorded at a fundraiser, about his difficulties with white working class voters in rural Pennsylvania. But the spirit of Obama’s remarks was precisely the opposite of Romney’s. While Obama couched his beliefs in condescending sociological analysis (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html) about how poor small town residents vote on the basis of guns and religion rather than economics, the thrust of Obama’s argument was that he believed his policies would help them, and to urge his supporters to make common cause with them:

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

Obama was aspiring to become president of all of America, even that part most hostile to him, in the belief that what they shared mattered more than what divided them. Romney genuinely seems to conceive of the lowest-earning half of the population as implacably hostile parasites.

The revelations in this video come to me as a genuine shock. I have never hated Romney. I presumed his ideological makeover since he set out to run for president was largely phony, even if he was now committed to carry through with it, and to whatever extent he’d come to believe his own lines, he was oblivious or naïve about the damage he would inflict upon the poor, sick and vulnerable. It seems unavoidable now to conclude that Romney’s embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for the looters and moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class.

ChiefsCountry
09-17-2012, 10:29 PM
Should have used different words but its in a fucking private meeting. But its pretty true for the most I say 45% on both sides are going to vote one way and then around 10% swing the election either one way or another.

Iowanian
09-17-2012, 10:39 PM
I see what he said as significantly less disparaging than essentially calling successful Americans thieves for "not paying their share" when a significant percentage of our population who COULD be pulling their weight aren't trying to do so and take from the very pool of producers Obama and the dems attempt to color as crooks.


I don't disagree with much of what you posted but he certainly disparaged half the country with him calling people victims and they don't want to take personal responsibility.

There is no question that there is lazy people that try to scam the system and don't want to work but they are part of both parties or no party. They aren't exclusive to Democrats or Obama supporters.


It would be interesting to see some hidden video from Obama, Biden or their lap dogs at fund raisers...............

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 10:42 PM
But its pretty true for the most I say 45% on both sides are going to vote one way and then around 10% swing the election either one way or another.

Nobody's disagreeing with the numbers. Hell, I'd say it's even more narrow than that.

People are disagreeing with the idea that the 47% in the tank for Obama are doing so because they are societal leeches.

That's what's hilarious about Romney's statement: he simultaneously (a.) insults the libruls as pretty much being exclusively teet-suckers, and (b.) insults anybody in society who is not well-off, from those mired in poverty, to the elderly, to a sizable number of folks in the middle class.

That's two nerves with one stone, and it shows a shocking complacency to the plight of the less fortunate Americans among us.

Romney/Ryan 2012: You're on your own.

Iowanian
09-17-2012, 10:43 PM
I understand that your heart is in the right place, it's just that your head is in your ass.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 10:45 PM
I see what he said as significantly less disparaging than essentially calling successful Americans thieves for "not paying their share" when a significant percentage of our population who COULD be pulling their weight aren't trying to do so and take from the very pool of producers Obama and the dems attempt to color as crooks.

Look at what you said earlier.

You saw first hand, as I would imagine many of the folks on this forum who have lived in any sort of poverty, that many people in that class are doing what they can to improve their lives.

The 47% includes those many folks you say you admired in poverty. It also includes the elderly. It also includes a lot of folks in the middle class who just aren't well-off-enough to escape Romney's ire.

If you want to paint half the United States as leeching moochers, you're going to lose in November.

And that's why Romney/Ryan is going to lose in November.

ChiefsCountry
09-17-2012, 10:50 PM
That's what's hilarious about Romney's statement: he simultaneously (a.) insults the libruls as pretty much being exclusively teet-suckers,

Majority of conservatives beleive that.

DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 10:52 PM
Majority of conservatives beleive that.

I think they believe that in certain parts of the country but I don't think they believe that everywhere.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 10:52 PM
LMAO

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html

No coverage.

Not even on their blog, "America's Election Headquarters," the "front row seat" to politics.

ROFL

Still none, by the way.

Comrade Crapski
09-17-2012, 10:54 PM
I know it isn't. You have a problem with the truth? Wait... yeah. You are part of that 47% that he wasn't going to get anyway so what the hell does it matter to you. Nothing he could say or do would sway you anyway so why even bother. The only way you vote for him is if Obama turned up on To Catch a Predator, and still maybe not even then.

Why would that stop an O-Bot from voting for him? He's actually done worse already.

DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 10:55 PM
There are only seven more weeks until the election and Romney continues to dig himself a bigger and bigger hole with comments like these. If he continues, this could become a Reagan-style beatdown.

I don't dislike the guy but I do believe he's the weakest presidential candidate since Walter Mondale. And yes, that included Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.

DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 10:55 PM
Why would that stop an O-Bot from voting for him? He's actually done worse already.

You don't need to love Obama in order to not like Romney.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 10:56 PM
Majority of conservatives beleive that.

Romney's not running to be President of the Conservatives of the United States of America.

ChiefsCountry
09-17-2012, 10:58 PM
Romney's not running to be President of the Conservatives of the United States of America.

Like that jackass in office now is really trying to united America.

DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 11:00 PM
Like that jackass in office now is really trying to united America.

To be completely honest, I don't think people would care if he tried. The country is so divided now and it's unfortunate for all of us.

I thought that the 2004 election was the most divided I'd ever seen the country but in 2012, it's far worse. There seems to be little common ground between people on the left and people on the right.

Comrade Crapski
09-17-2012, 11:02 PM
You don't need to love Obama in order to not like Romney.

I hear ya, however Obama has been a complete disaster on every front, continues to be a menace, and will only make things exponentially worse if re-elected. He has to go. Period. He never should have been put in this position in the first place. It was obvious he was an incompetent fraud.

I could pick a name out of a phone book at random and I would vote for that person before I voted for Obama.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 11:05 PM
Like that jackass in office now is really trying to united America.

He's appointed Republicans, his signature law was a Republican idea, his stimulus act looks like what Romney would have recommended, he's deported more illegal immigrants, he's killed more terrorists, and he hasn't prosecuted anybody from the Bush administration or CIA.

It's a center-left Presidency, if not outright centrist. If conservatives decide to take their ball and go home, as the GOP has, there's literally nothing he can do.

A Salt Weapon
09-17-2012, 11:06 PM
Romney's not running to be President of the Conservatives of the United States of America.

Might as well your idol obama is running his hardest to be President of the liberals of the United States of America.

You liberals are all the same, go wash the sand out of your vaginas and wake the fuck up. Socialism does not work. Quit taking the free ride on the backs of hard workers. Start thinking with your brain instead of your bleeding heart. In "real" life there are winners and losers, the "fantasy" world you all dream about is un-sustainable and retarded.
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DaneMcCloud
09-17-2012, 11:07 PM
I hear ya, however Obama has been a complete disaster on every front, continues to be a menace, and will only make things exponentially worse if re-elected. He has to go. Period. He never should have been put in this position in the first place. It was obvious he was an incompetent fraud.

I could pick a name out of a phone book at random and I would vote for that person before I voted for Obama.

I have a question for you and I'm being completely sincere: Why would I, as a voter, select Romney? President Bush started two unfunded wars, the stock markets crashed, the economy was bleeding jobs when he left office and quite honestly, I'm far better off today than I was when he left office (although to be completely honest, I'm quite a bit behind 2006).

What assurances do I have that Romney won't invade Iran and drive our debt even higher? What assurances do I have that he won't continue to pander (for lack of a better word) to corporations and the wealthy?

I already strongly disagree with Romney/Ryan's Social Policy (although fortunately, they're not as far right as some in the party), so I can't vote for them strictly on social issues.

Please explain to me, if you can, why I should vote for Romney/Ryan strictly on fiscal issues. And no cheating: The answer can't be "Because they're better than Obama!".

Thanks in advance. Sincerely. :thumb:

ChiefsCountry
09-17-2012, 11:08 PM
It's a center-left Presidency, if not outright centrist. If conservatives decide to take their ball and go home, as the GOP has, there's literally nothing he can do.

No he is not. A center left presidency would be Bill Clinton. Obama is not even close to being a Bill Clinton.

Direckshun
09-17-2012, 11:09 PM
No he is not. A center left presidency would be Bill Clinton. Obama is not even close to being a Bill Clinton.

He's appointed Republicans, his signature law was a Republican idea, his stimulus act looks like what Romney would have recommended, he's deported more illegal immigrants, he's killed more terrorists, and he hasn't prosecuted anybody from the Bush administration or CIA.

A Salt Weapon
09-17-2012, 11:09 PM
he's deported more illegal immigrants,

That'd be real funny if I didn't think you actually believe it.
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