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petegz28
09-17-2012, 05:25 PM
Maas basically ripping on DJ, Arenas, Hudson, Asamoah and Lilja...little bit on Cassel

Basically pointed out that DJ is constantly jumping the wrong gap and not following his key reads. Said he is trying to over compensate for whatever.

Said Buffalo targeted Arenas in the spread and ran right at him. Showed Arenas just getting knocked around and owned all game.

Showed the interior 3 on the O-line getting pushed around, ass kicked and missing what he called "101" stuff when he showed Lilja blowing a block on a stunt.

Said when the line can't block Cassel gets ansty feet quick, which we all know anyway.

DeezNutz
09-17-2012, 05:26 PM
Arenas was a disastrous pick the moment it happened.

Bowser
09-17-2012, 05:27 PM
Arenas was a disastrous pick the moment it happened.

But he led the NFL in punt return average last season! / :drool:

KCUnited
09-17-2012, 05:29 PM
Holy shit I just watched this. This Oline got their shit pushed in fierce. And Derrick Johnson went full Kendrell Bell.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-17-2012, 05:29 PM
I've literally muttered Chiefs fucking suck about 1000 times today.

L.A. Chieffan
09-17-2012, 05:32 PM
Routt looked good though. Cassell turned things around after Daboll took the chain off. Pioli is fine

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 05:32 PM
In the first two games, DJ has been the worst player on the roster.

Blick
09-17-2012, 05:33 PM
Arenas was a disastrous pick the moment it happened.

Yep.

How do you take a guy that high when he doesn't have the versatility to play outside?

I'm tired of him as a returner as well. His averages are good...that's nice, but he's never going to break one. He doesn't have the speed.

petegz28
09-17-2012, 05:33 PM
I have to say that even though Cassel has been less than good the losses have not been squarley on his shoulders. While the fumble yesterday was totally his fault in reality the Oline is doing a shit job of blocking.

Maas also went on to say that the WR's are not getting seperation but attributed some of it to the Oline not being able to block long enough to go downfield.

While we do need a new QB I think the defense has put our offense in the position of having to score on every drive and no offense is going to do that or should be expected to do that. Especially when you have Cassel as your QB. That being said Cassel sucks and he missed some open guys yesterday.

L.A. Chieffan
09-17-2012, 05:34 PM
In the first two games, DJ has been the worst player on the roster.

Carl pick. FAIL.

petegz28
09-17-2012, 05:35 PM
Romeo said he is going to keep harping on players about being in position. I took that as code that DJ will be getting his ass chewed.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 05:43 PM
Romeo said he is going to keep harping on players about being in position. I took that as code that DJ will be getting his ass chewed.

This is his third year in Romeo's system. What's the problem?

Chocolate Hog
09-17-2012, 05:54 PM
Arenas sucks? Yeah right people on here defend him.

DeezNutz
09-17-2012, 05:54 PM
Herm, widely regarded on this board as the dumbest motherfucker on the planet, drafted a #1 corner in the 5th. Pioli, on the other hand, has been praised by some posters for drafting a nickel corner in the 2nd.

Makes sense.

Chocolate Hog
09-17-2012, 05:57 PM
Herm, widely regarded on this board as the dumbest mother****er on the planet, drafted a #1 corner in the 5th. Pioli, on the other hand, has been praised by some posters for drafting a nickel corner in the 2nd.

Makes sense.

Pioli traded one of the greatest Chiefs all time for Javier Arenas

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1301/crybabyv.png

siberian khatru
09-17-2012, 06:03 PM
And now Gruden is dissecting the Falcons-Chiefs game. Ugh.

Count Zarth
09-17-2012, 06:07 PM
It's amazing how the shine has come off the Arenas pick this year.

Lots of defending him this offseason.

He's just a guy.

Count Zarth
09-17-2012, 06:08 PM
I have to say that even though Cassel has been less than good the losses have not been squarley on his shoulders. While the fumble yesterday was totally his fault in reality the Oline is doing a shit job of blocking.


This team has done a great job of exposing Cassel to the elements of a harsh NFL winter.

His toes are turning black.

siberian khatru
09-17-2012, 06:10 PM
It's amazing how the shine has come off the Arenas pick this year.

Lots of defending him this offseason.

He's just a guy.

I thought his forte was blitzing. Where's that at?

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 06:12 PM
Arenas has been ok imo. What's he supposed to do against o-linemen? It has more to do with that stupid two down linemen / three safety formation that is killing us. Gailey ran through that formation. You gotta have more than two d-linemen on the field to stop the run. The Falcons passed right through it last week. It's just bad... I hope we never see that formation again.

New World Order
09-17-2012, 06:18 PM
It's ok fellas we have Tyson Jackson

petegz28
09-17-2012, 06:19 PM
Arenas has been ok imo. What's he supposed to do against o-linemen? It has more to do with that stupid two down linemen / three safety formation that is killing us. Gailey ran through that formation. You gotta have more than two d-linemen on the field to stop the run. The Falcons passed right through it last week. It's just bad... I hope we never see that formation again.

Dude he was getting knocked around by WR's

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 06:22 PM
Dude he was getting knocked around by WR's

Well, that's different LOL

that's pretty bad

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 06:28 PM
you Arenas defenders can now eat shit

terrible CB. cant seal the edge on run plays cant tackle for shit and gets blown up by any blocker.

will never live up to his 2nd round slot pick.

Thanks for shitty ****ing CBs Pioli
Arenas
Jalil Brown
Donald Washington

4 years 3 corners that will never make an impact on this team especially like draft picks Brandon Flowers/Brandon Carr have done

DanT
09-17-2012, 06:32 PM
Maas basically ripping on DJ, Arenas, Hudson, Asamoah and Lilja...little bit on Cassel


I only saw the first half, but these are all the guys that I saw getting their asses kicked, as well. I mostly concentrate on the OL and the run defense, and all of these guys had some horrible plays that made me wonder why in the hell I thought the Chiefs were going to have a good year this year. I'm not talking horrible like when someone gets beat, that happens to most players, I mean horrible like when the guy doesn't even look physically and mentally capable of carrying out his assignments.

CoMoChief
09-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Draft a DB with the first pick next season.

Yes we all want Cassel to be replaced. We also all know that won't ever happen with Pioli in charge.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 06:55 PM
I watched the highlights a couple more times and for the most part Arenas is just following his man down the field doing his job. He gets blocked a screen but that happens... Happened to Routt last week. The problem with those runs was the defensive formation. It's the stupid two down linemen set. How can you stop a quick draw with no horses up front?


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap1000000062699/Chiefs-vs-Bills-highlights

I'm sure you probably saw more about Arenas than I did because I haven't watched the Maas thing.

I think the guy is fine. I liked him coming out of Alabama and think he is an above average nickelback.

PornChief
09-17-2012, 06:55 PM
JOY

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 07:00 PM
and correct me if I'm wrong Javier Arenas is essentially what we got for Tony G

so a hall of fame TE for a nickel CB that gets owned at everything but sometimes covering a WR.

Dave Lane
09-17-2012, 07:07 PM
Herm, widely regarded on this board as the dumbest mother****er on the planet, drafted a #1 corner in the 5th. Pioli, on the other hand, has been praised by some posters for drafting a nickel corner in the 2nd.

Makes sense.

Stupid comparison. Herm didn't draft anyone any more than Haley did.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 07:07 PM
and correct me if I'm wrong Javier Arenas is essentially what we got for Tony G

so a hall of fame TE for a nickel CB that gets owned at everything but sometimes covering a WR.

He wanted out. We got a solid player imo. Realistically, that's all you can ask for. A 2nd round pick was good for Gonzo. I hated trafing him but I get it.

For the record, TG said at the pro bowl in 2009 that he wanted to see Herm and Thiggy keep their jobs. He was excited about Thigpen starting in 2009. When Herm got fired, he wanted out.

DeezNutz
09-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Herm and Carl draft a CB in the second, it's Flowers.

Haley and Pioli take one, it's Arenas.

Reaper16
09-17-2012, 07:45 PM
Stupid comparison. Herm didn't draft anyone any more than Haley did.

Actually, I think its on the record that the Carr pick was Herm's; it was Herm's "birthday present" as he put it.

Count Zarth
09-17-2012, 07:51 PM
Herm and Carl draft a CB in the second, it's Flowers.

Haley and Pioli take one, it's Arenas.

I said this like two months ago. No one cared.

Care now, bitches? :evil:

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 07:52 PM
Herm and Carl draft a CB in the second, it's Flowers.

Haley and Pioli take one, it's Arenas.

Most second round picks aren't that good. The chances that a first round pick will be good is only about 30%. Arenas isn't bad for a second round pick. People have high expectations....

DeezNutz
09-17-2012, 07:54 PM
Most second round picks aren't that good. The chances that a first round pick will be good is only about 30%. Arenas isn't bad for a second round pick. People have high expectations....

We have the highest paid GM in the league. So, fans, please lower your expectations.

Carl was a fucking moron, but we shouldn't expect Pioli to exceed his level of performance.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 07:58 PM
We have the highest paid GM in the league. So, fans, please lower your expectations.

Carl was a ****ing moron, but we shouldn't expect Pioli to exceed his level of performance.

I'm not happy with Pioli either. :thumb:

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 08:02 PM
Most second round picks aren't that good. The chances that a first round pick will be good is only about 30%. Arenas isn't bad for a second round pick. People have high expectations....

are you kidding me with that statement?

most 2nd rounders arent good? 1/2 of the second rounders in that draft class are starting in the NFL.

Count Zarth
09-17-2012, 08:03 PM
Pioli makes Carl look like Bill Polian.

I fucking hated Carl. Now I want to give him a big hug.

I'M SORRY PAPA. I APPRECIATE YOU NOW.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 08:07 PM
are you kidding me with that statement?

most 2nd rounders arent good? 1/2 of the second rounders in that draft class are starting in the NFL.

I could be wrong but Off the top of my head it looks like 10 starters at the most and some of them suck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

Chiefs=Good
09-17-2012, 08:12 PM
Ill use this thread to voice my frustration. Im already done with the chiefs. Every problem on this team stems from Casshole and pioli. Id include Romeo, but that is also on pioli and this pussy defense.

4 things must happen this offseason for me to consider spending one more dime on this cheap shitty franchise.


1. Pioli and staff must be guttered.
2. Draft a rookie qb as high as possible.
3. Bring in a young head coach not a recyled old fart.
4. Swap to an attacking defense. im sick to death of this read and react romeo shit and the cover two and any other soft cushion defense.

Do all these things and the rose coloured glasses will be firmly back on as soon as next year..

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 08:16 PM
I could be wrong but Off the top of my head it looks like 10 starters at the most and some of them suck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

as usual, you are wrong

there's at least 14

Chiefs=Good
09-17-2012, 08:16 PM
Also props to gochiefs. even thiugh he trolls he had the courage to rule out an entire season before it started. i didnt want to, but my eyes are now wide open, or rather im back to sticking up for my beliefs in how a football team should be built.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 08:19 PM
as usual, you are wrong

there's at least 14

You're right and I am suprised. I looked a bunch of those guys up. Some of those guys really suck but are starting LOL

Sorter
09-17-2012, 08:35 PM
I've said this before but I would have loved for Herm to have stayed on as a secondary coach.

As for the Arenas pick, it makes sense to draft an inside cover guy like Arenas that high with the way the league has been headed, especially if he can play special teams at an above average level as well. However, that guy better be a monster inside and lock people the fuck down.

Arenas isn't a bad player, but to me he isn't worth Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, or even Brandon Spikes. He's not a lock down nickel corner and that is why he was drafted that highly.

Good idea in theory and foresight, but just not the right player.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 08:41 PM
I've said this before but I would have loved for Herm to have stayed on as a secondary coach.

As for the Arenas pick, it makes sense to draft an inside cover guy like Arenas that high with the way the league has been headed, especially if he can play special teams at an above average level as well. However, that guy better be a monster inside and lock people the **** down.

Arenas isn't a bad player, but to me he isn't worth Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, or even Brandon Spikes. He's not a lock down nickel corner and that is why he was drafted that highly.

Good idea in theory and foresight, but just not the right player.

Good post. I think he was drafted to be a play maker and he's failed in that area. He was a super player at Alabama and was similar to the Honey Badger. He's a solid nickelback and punt returner but he isn't flashy. I'm pretty sure Pioli wanted some flash when he took him.

We can talk about Gronk, Spikes, etc. but no one knew. If people had known about Gronk, he'd have gone top 15.

Count Zarth
09-17-2012, 08:48 PM
Also props to gochiefs. even thiugh he trolls he had the courage to rule out an entire season before it started. i didnt want to, but my eyes are now wide open, or rather im back to sticking up for my beliefs in how a football team should be built.

Dude, I thought we would go eight and fucking eight.

I was wrong about that, probably.

It didn't take any courage to sit here and think we were going to tread the seas of mediocrity. As soon as we hired Crennel and renewed wedding vows with Cassel, I was like "lol."

I couldn't fucking believe people were optimistic.

Then I did my Cassel research, looked at the schedule, and simply couldn't ignore logic.

It never had anything to do with trolling.

jspchief
09-17-2012, 08:49 PM
Asamoah has not progressed at all since his rookie season. The last 2 years he's been a liability in the run game.

Chiefs fans see these young guys crack the starting lineup and assume they will get better with experience. The coaching for this franchise is shit. Seems like none of.these players progress.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 08:52 PM
Asamoah has not progressed at all since his rookie season. The last 2 years he's been a liability in the run game.

Chiefs fans see these young guys crack the starting lineup and assume they will get better with experience. The coaching for this franchise is shit. Seems like none of.these players progress.

I agree and I think he was over hyped last year.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 08:54 PM
I had us pegged for anywhere between 7-9 and 9-7.

If any NFL team would fuck up getting one of the top 2 QBs in the draft 2 years in a row, it would most certainly be us.

Somehow, McCluster catches another hailmary, an elite QB on our roster sits a game against us due to injury, and we steal some division wins. We'll end up probably at anywhere from 4-12 to 7-9 and miss out on our own Luck, Rg3, Wilson, Barkley and Geno Smith.

Fuck me.

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 09:02 PM
I've said this before but I would have loved for Herm to have stayed on as a secondary coach.

As for the Arenas pick, it makes sense to draft an inside cover guy like Arenas that high with the way the league has been headed, especially if he can play special teams at an above average level as well. However, that guy better be a monster inside and lock people the **** down.

Arenas isn't a bad player, but to me he isn't worth Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, or even Brandon Spikes. He's not a lock down nickel corner and that is why he was drafted that highly.

Good idea in theory and foresight, but just not the right player.


Scott Pioli is just a shit drafter. Period. He tries to draft guys that will make him and his ego look "smart" and he passes on BPA and better talent and boom or bust playmakers more than not because of it. So we get a bunch of run of the mill average players what happens when you have a bunch of guys like that on a team, YOU GET FLAT OUT BEAT BY TEAMS WITH MORE PLAYMAKERS

thats what happens in the NFL. We are basically rolling out a team of role players like the Denver Nuggets trying to hang with teams like the Miami Heat, LA Lakers, etc and are just being over powered at this point

petegz28
09-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Dude, I thought we would go eight and ****ing eight.

I was wrong about that, probably.

It didn't take any courage to sit here and think we were going to tread the seas of mediocrity. As soon as we hired Crennel and renewed wedding vows with Cassel, I was like "lol."

I couldn't ****ing believe people were optimistic.

Then I did my Cassel research, looked at the schedule, and simply couldn't ignore logic.

It never had anything to do with trolling.


If Cassel were our only problem right now I'd be somewhat ok as it was expected.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 09:12 PM
He's had some minor hits that I view more as complimentary pieces (Hudson, Bailey, Belcher, Lewis) but he's had major misses in the rounds that really count(1st-3rd) IMO.

Jackson
Cassel/Vrabel
Magee
Berry
DMC
Arenas
Baldwin
Hudson
Houston
Bailey
Poe
Allen
Stephenson

Of Pioli's 1st-3rd round picks, only 1 looks like a superstar (Berry) and he really hasn't been as impressive as he could be IMO. 7/13 picks were taken too high for what they have produced since being here or have been busts. That isn't including Poe, although he could be as well.

petegz28
09-17-2012, 09:15 PM
He's had some minor hits that I view more as complimentary pieces (Hudson, Bailey, Belcher, Lewis) but he's had major misses in the rounds that really count(1st-3rd) IMO.

Jackson
Cassel/Vrabel
Magee
Berry
DMC
Arenas
Baldwin
Hudson
Houston
Bailey
Poe
Allen
Stephenson

Of Pioli's 1st-3rd round picks, only 1 looks like a superstar (Berry) and he really hasn't been as impressive as he could be IMO. 7/13 picks were taken too high for what they have produced since being here or have been busts. That isn't including Poe, although he could be as well.

I think Houston will be fine, Dex is showing us something this year, Baldwin will be fine

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 09:19 PM
Baldwin has to be fine because he's going to be replacing one of the few playmakers left on this team when Bowe walks in FA after this year

though I doubt Baldwin ever comes close to Bowe like production in a Chiefs uniform

Sorter
09-17-2012, 09:23 PM
Definitely. Houston and Baldwin were not a part of the 7/13, despite people saying Baldwin is a bust. After all, it isn't like Pioli's track record gives a whole lot of hope.

I'd say the best players he's drafted the first 3 rounds in order are
Berry
Houston
Hudson
Bailey
Baldwin
Poe
Allen
Arenas
Stephenson
DMC
Jackson
Magee
Cassel

petegz28
09-17-2012, 09:24 PM
Definitely. Houston and Baldwin were not a part of the 7/13, despite people saying Baldwin is a bust. After all, it isn't like Pioli's track record gives a whole lot of hope.

I'd say the best players he's drafted the first 3 rounds in order are
Berry
Houston
Hudson
Bailey
Baldwin
Poe
Allen
Arenas
Stephenson
DMC
Jackson
Magee
Cassel

I'm not sold on Hudson yet. Undersized. Same problem we have had at C for years.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 09:28 PM
I'm not sold on Hudson yet. Undersized. Same problem we have had at C for years.

Eh, he looked fine against NE and Pitt playing LG last year. Not worried about Rodney.

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 09:28 PM
the problem is most of those guys but 2 are role players or compliments and have NO play making potential whats so ever.

At least in a Carl draft once and awhile he'd land a playmaker or hall of fame like talent. Pioli isnt even ****ing close. And even a monkey couldnt miss on the Berry pick so I dont even give him credit for that.

he could have done a lot better in the 2009 and 2010 draft classes. And I think there were other players in the 2011 class that could have helped this team more than a WR in the first round. But that WR in the first round is becoming more and more likely he drafted him to cover his failures of when Bowe blows up in his face and he saw the inevitability coming that Bowe would walk in FA, so he wants to groom Baldwin along as a feel good workout warrior story to sell to the fan base as a band aid when Bowe leaves, because thats what Pioli does and how he plays the GM game, it's so obvious it's sickening. Justin Houston as it stands right now is far and away the best pick of that draft and probably will be for the forseeable future too. Every other guy is exactly that, just a guy. And every other NFL team has hundreds of those.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 09:33 PM
I didn't and still don't hate the Baldwin pick. At the time, our receiving core was beyond horrible. Kevin Curtis anyone? Baldwin was drafted to be a solid #2 that could hopefully stretch the field. That could happen with a QB who looks downfield, goes through his progressions, and has some sense of pocket awareness.

Rausch
09-17-2012, 09:37 PM
I didn't and still don't hate the Baldwin pick. At the time, our receiving core was beyond horrible. Kevin Curtis anyone? Baldwin was drafted to be a solid #2 that could hopefully stretch the field. That could happen with a QB who looks downfield, goes through his progressions, and has some sense of pocket awareness.

It happened the 4th quarter on sunday.

But only when the game was over and Ca$$hole had nothing to lose did he throw deep.

Rausch
09-17-2012, 09:38 PM
I'm not sold on Hudson yet. Undersized. Same problem we have had at C for years.

He just played his second game at C...

petegz28
09-17-2012, 09:39 PM
He just played his second game at C...

I still think he is undersized

mcaj22
09-17-2012, 09:39 PM
well he wont ever get his chance to be a solid #2 because very soon he will be gifted the #1 WR spot without ever doing anything. And we will all be sold next training camp on a lie of how good he is in practice and how great he is and how he will make up for the loss of Bowe.

it's all coming, again. The Pioli PR machine always turns and makes us believe in smoke and mirrors without actual production when it counts in an NFL game. It's all about feel good hype stories.

it's fucking stupid. Show me something when it matters.

Rausch
09-17-2012, 09:42 PM
I still think he is undersized

He's 6'2" and 299...

petegz28
09-17-2012, 09:50 PM
He's 6'2" and 299...

Yea, just looking at Baltimore, Pittsburgh and San Diego and all their centers are over 300

Sorter
09-17-2012, 09:59 PM
The first two are power blocking schemes. We run a zone blocking scheme, which features more athletic, smaller O-lineman.

http://mlkshk.com/r/2HUV

petegz28
09-17-2012, 10:04 PM
The first two are power blocking schemes. We run a zone blocking scheme, which features more athletic, smaller O-lineman.

http://mlkshk.com/r/2HUV

We don't do it very good

Sorter
09-17-2012, 10:10 PM
Will not disagree with that. It is their first year in it though. Zone schemes typically take some time to get everyone used to on the O-Line. Hell, Oakland can't run the ball for shit with McFadden and Wiz back in their lineup.

Shaid
09-17-2012, 10:27 PM
Arenas sucks? Yeah right people on here defend him.

He does suck at guarding the slot. People always attack us there.

Sorter
09-17-2012, 10:28 PM
He did shut Welker down last year in NE, fwiw.

That being said, I do want a serious upgrade at the position in this draft or FA.

Hell, Joselio Hanson was available.

Rausch
09-17-2012, 10:33 PM
Yea, just looking at Baltimore, Pittsburgh and San Diego and all their centers are over 300

So after he eats dinner he's over 300.

Happy?...

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-17-2012, 10:55 PM
So after he eats dinner he's over 300.

Happy?...

Gotta love this place sometimes LMAO

The Bad Guy
09-17-2012, 11:04 PM
Arenas was a disastrous pick the moment it happened.

He's a terrible corner and an even worse kickoff return man.

Saccopoo
09-17-2012, 11:51 PM
I still think he is undersized

Idiot.

Hudson is the biggest guy on the interior that the Chiefs have. And he's playing hard and doing work. The problem is, he's trying to block for two other guys. Lilja and especially Asamoah are failing hard. Watch the games.

And talking about picks, I'd give my left nut for Zane Beadles right now versus DMC. That would have freed us from the Asamoah and Allen picks the past two years.

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 06:37 AM
I can't believe people are bitching about Asamoah and Hudson.

Not every player can come in here and play well right away. Sometimes guys need to develop.

You're talking about young linemen with the unenviable task of trying to make Matt Cassel look GOOD.

Sometimes this place is ridiculously narrow-minded.

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 06:39 AM
Asamoah has not progressed at all since his rookie season. The last 2 years he's been a liability in the run game.

Chiefs fans see these young guys crack the starting lineup and assume they will get better with experience. The coaching for this franchise is shit. Seems like none of.these players progress.

Asamoah is in his 2nd year starting.

Branden Albert had a sophomore slump.

It happens.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 06:39 AM
I didn't and still don't hate the Baldwin pick. At the time, our receiving core was beyond horrible. Kevin Curtis anyone? Baldwin was drafted to be a solid #2 that could hopefully stretch the field. That could happen with a QB who looks downfield, goes through his progressions, and has some sense of pocket awareness.

I didn't like the pick. We had already signed Breaston and drafted McCluster. That is the one pick I really think Pioli blew. He should have taken Andy Dalton.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 06:41 AM
I can't believe people are bitching about Asamoah and Hudson.

Not every player can come in here and play well right away. Sometimes guys need to develop.

You're talking about young linemen with the unenviable task of trying to make Matt Cassel look GOOD.

Sometimes this place is ridiculously narrow-minded.

They didn't look good Sunday. However, they were going against arguably the best DT tandem in the NFL so I am not suprised.

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 07:06 AM
They didn't look good Sunday. However, they were going against arguably the best DT tandem in the NFL so I am not suprised.

Nobody looked good Sunday.

Eric Berry was the #5 overall pick. Where is the outrage about him constantly being out of position?

Rausch
09-18-2012, 07:12 AM
Nobody looked good Sunday.

Eric Berry was the #5 overall pick. Where is the outrage about him constantly being out of position?

Right here.

His job is to roam and hunt.

Romeo has him playing tentative and erasing everything that makes him a good SS.

Romeo has gone completely vanilla on D this year.

He better wise up quick. THisi is not what won him this job or made anyone think he deserved it.

You don't go from completely shutting down the Packers to being unable to stop anyone for no reason.

I think Romeo gets 3 more games before he gets himself and his GM fired...

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 07:19 AM
Right here.

His job is to roam and hunt.

Romeo has him playing tentative and erasing everything that makes him a good SS.

Romeo has gone completely vanilla on D this year.

He better wise up quick. THisi is not what won him this job or made anyone think he deserved it.

You don't go from completely shutting down the Packers to being unable to stop anyone for no reason.

I think Romeo gets 3 more games before he gets himself and his GM fired...

So Berry's problems are Romeo's fault but Jon Asamoah's problem is that he just sucks.

How does that work?

Isn't it possible that the coaches are putting Asamoah in a position to fail as well? Brian Daboll is the OC after all...

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 07:21 AM
Nobody looked good Sunday.

Eric Berry was the #5 overall pick. Where is the outrage about him constantly being out of position?

It's the way RAC is using him man. He wasn't out of position once imo. It's that terrible 2-3-6 formation imo. he's not even being used as a safety.

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 07:22 AM
It's the way RAC is using him man. He wasn't out of position once imo. It's that terrible 2-3-6 formation imo. he's not even being used as a safety.

See post #82.

Berry is being used wrong but Derrick Johnson is a slacker that should be cut.

Your selective (and quite hypocritical) application of blame is laughable.

WhiteWhale
09-18-2012, 07:24 AM
I'm not sold on Hudson yet. Undersized. Same problem we have had at C for years.

Hudson is 6-2 and 300 lbs.

Exactly how big do you think most Centers in the NFL are?

Rausch
09-18-2012, 07:25 AM
So Berry's problems are Romeo's fault but Jon Asamoah's problem is that he just sucks.

How does that work?

Isn't it possible that the coaches are putting Asamoah in a position to fail as well? Brian Daboll is the OC after all...

Asamoah is a guy in year 3 with no leaders.

NONE.

This entire team is 30 or under. There are no seasoned vets to lead.

DJ, Hali, and Flowers are NOT leaders. They are quality players and all great talents.

They are not leaders...

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 07:29 AM
Asamoah is a guy in year 3 with no leaders.

NONE.

This entire team is 30 or under. There are no seasoned vets to lead.

DJ, Hali, and Flowers are NOT leaders. They are quality players and all great talents.

They are not leaders...

I don't disagree.

My line of questioning wasn't directed specifically at you but more of a general observation overall...

Rausch
09-18-2012, 07:45 AM
I don't disagree.

My line of questioning wasn't directed specifically at you but more of a general observation overall...

I think it's worth mentioning.

Especially when there is no perceived leader at HC...

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 07:48 AM
See post #82.

Berry is being used wrong but Derrick Johnson is a slacker that should be cut.

Your selective (and quite hypocritical) application of blame is laughable.

Post #82?

Yes, Berry is being used incorrectly and DJ should be cut. He's the worst starter on the team. Also, Lou Zare and I have been talking about the leadership problem for a week.

I guess I just see it differently than you do.

KCUnited
09-18-2012, 07:54 AM
When you combine lofty expectations (best line in the league, bros) with inexperience, a predictable one-dimensional offense, a notorious pants soiler at QB, and a clown show of a coaching staff; guys like Hudson and Asamoah are going to look worse than they really are.

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 08:01 AM
Post #82?

Yes, Berry is being used incorrectly and DJ should be cut. He's the worst starter on the team. Also, Lou Zare and I have been talking about the leadership problem for a week.

I guess I just see it differently than you do.

Because you don't see it at all.

You're obviously not applying your standards evenly or objectively.

DJ is Haley. Berry is Romeo. You play favorites.

Buckweath
09-18-2012, 08:02 AM
Really some of those guys have looked downright awful in those two games but I expect those same guys to look great at some point down the stretch.

Ace Gunner
09-18-2012, 08:02 AM
So Berry's problems are Romeo's fault but Jon Asamoah's problem is that he just sucks.

How does that work?

Isn't it possible that the coaches are putting Asamoah in a position to fail as well? Brian Daboll is the OC after all...

They are using Berry as a fifth LB most of the time right now. So, he's out of position at the snap and we see him running downfield after ball carriers all the time and he's no longer the first guy coming UP to make the play.

Asamoah is giving up too much real estate letting DT's drive him 5 yards back during SOME PLAYS, not all plays. I think the expectation on Asamoah has been he would become a monster mauler by now, and it just isn't happening. I think he'll get through this, he's got everything going IMO, but he needs to play with more confidence on these pass play situations. He needs to just bear down and let his body do the work it's equipped to do.

Rausch
09-18-2012, 08:03 AM
Post #82?

Yes, Berry is being used incorrectly and DJ should be cut. He's the worst starter on the team.

Stop posting.

Now...

Chiefnj2
09-18-2012, 08:05 AM
Lilja or Asamoah needs to be benched for Allen.

DJ needs to sit behind Greenwood or whatever piece of crap depth Pioli assembled.

These guys need to start being held accountable. If the O can't get the ball moving early, Quinn needs to be put in.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 08:05 AM
Stop posting.

Now...

Ok, I'll stop in this thread but what I said made perfect sense.

Lilja or Asamoah needs to be benched for Allen.

DJ needs to sit behind Greenwood or whatever piece of crap depth Pioli assembled.

These guys need to start being held accountable. If the O can't get the ball moving early, Quinn needs to be put in.

Yep. it's time to quit looking at the names on the jerseys.

Really some of those guys have looked downright awful in those two games but I expect those same guys to look great at some point down the stretch.

Yep, that's the routine with these guys. Frankly, I am tired of it. We need better than that imo.

Rausch
09-18-2012, 08:10 AM
Ok, I'll stop in this thread but what I said made perfect sense.

No, permanently.

You add nothing.

I don't care how you feel your work environment relates to our team.

I'm done with your lame projections and irrational conclusions.

Go.

Just go...

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 08:11 AM
No, permanently.

You add nothing.

I don't care how you feel your work environment relates to our team.

I'm done with your lame projections and irrational conclusions.

Go.

Just go...

Nope, like I said, I don't quit.

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 08:12 AM
They are using Berry as a fifth LB most of the time right now. So, he's out of position at the snap and we see him running downfield after ball carriers all the time and he's no longer the first guy coming UP to make the play.

Asamoah is giving up too much real estate letting DT's drive him 5 yards back during SOME PLAYS, not all plays. I think the expectation on Asamoah has been he would become a monster mauler by now, and it just isn't happening. I think he'll get through this, he's got everything going IMO, but he needs to play with more confidence on these pass play situations. He needs to just bear down and let his body do the work it's equipped to do.

You don't think Berry being out of position has an effect on the rest of the defense, including DJ?

This is a case of the standards being applied harshly to one player but excuses being made for another.

The standards need to be applied evenly, to the whole team. And guess what that means? You can't bench EVERYBODY. It's time to bench the HEAD COACH.

Rausch
09-18-2012, 08:12 AM
Nope, like I said, I don't quit.

Yes, you do.

It's your MO...

Lzen
09-18-2012, 08:13 AM
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Ace Gunner
09-18-2012, 08:15 AM
Lilja or Asamoah needs to be benched for Allen.

DJ needs to sit behind Greenwood or whatever piece of crap depth Pioli assembled.

These guys need to start being held accountable. If the O can't get the ball moving early, Quinn needs to be put in.

In his defense, Lilja is really helping Hudson handle duties. I see him get his job done on a guy and then he immediately looks after Hudson and helps. It's probably true Lilja is helping Hudson with pre snap read also, because I've often seen him turn to Hudson during pre snap.

But, I don't like Lilja's abilities much. However, I don't think I would change him out for Allen right now. I would continue to depend on Lilja for his veteran leadership until I see Hudson taking his own lead. Could happen during this season, too. If so, I'd try putting Allen in during certain plays that have been rehearsed and roll like that for a few games. Then make a decision.

Asamoah is the future at RG, he's got plenty left to work on, but he's where he needs to be as long as the staff feels he continues to improve. If not, they need to put RG on the draft list because Allen is not your prototypical RG guy, he can play there, but he's best suited at LG imo.

htismaqe
09-18-2012, 08:21 AM
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ROFL

Ace Gunner
09-18-2012, 08:24 AM
You don't think Berry being out of position has an effect on the rest of the defense, including DJ?

This is a case of the standards being applied harshly to one player but excuses being made for another.

The standards need to be applied evenly, to the whole team. And guess what that means? You can't bench EVERYBODY. It's time to bench the HEAD COACH.

Did you watch Steve Beuerlein break down the play during the Bills game where DJ ran himself out his gap allowing the middle to be completely vacant? If he maintained position, he may have taken that pass all the way. Instead, Stevie Johnson took it all the way.

DJ is killing this defense and there is no way to cover his stupidity using Berry.

DJ is the team captain. He is stupid. No way to cover stupid in the NFL.

I would start Greenwood just to humiliate DJ. I would start designing defensive alignments using Greenwood's skills and put DJ back in sub package passing situations telling him to play center field again and hope he makes those plays he is capable of. The good ones.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 08:40 AM
Did you watch Steve Beuerlein break down the play during the Bills game where DJ ran himself out his gap allowing the middle to be completely vacant? If he maintained position, he may have taken that pass all the way. Instead, Stevie Johnson took it all the way.

DJ is killing this defense and there is no way to cover his stupidity using Berry.

DJ is the team captain. He is stupid. No way to cover stupid in the NFL.

I would start Greenwood just to humiliate DJ. I would start designing defensive alignments using Greenwood's skills and put DJ back in sub package passing situations telling him to play center field again and hope he makes those plays he is capable of. The good ones.

Good post and you are exactly right. He got a new contract to be the leader of this defense and he has "checked out."

Anyone who thinks DJ, Charles, Hali, and Flowers weren't paid to be leaders is full of crap.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-18-2012, 10:06 AM
Yeah, let's cut an All Pro from last year and bitch about Bowe some more for scoring the only 2 TDs. Some of you are either trolling or ate too many paint chips as a lad.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-18-2012, 10:10 AM
Yeah, let's cut an All Pro from last year and bitch about Bowe some more for scoring the only 2 TDs. Some of you are either trolling or ate too many paint chips as a lad.

Yeah, DJ will probably show up next week and get a couple of interceptions and a sack but, then he'll take the next 4 weeks off.

Bowe's two TDs at the end of that game are going to be great at the end of the year to that guy in Hawaii who votes him into the pro bowl. What that guy will never see is the critical 3rd down drop that he's due for.

Championship!!!

Gravedigger
09-18-2012, 10:20 AM
Yeah, DJ will probably show up next week and get a couple of interceptions and a sack but, then he'll take the next 4 weeks off.

Bowe's two TDs at the end of that game are going to be great at the end of the year to that guy in Hawaii who votes him into the pro bowl. What that guy will never see is the critical 3rd down drop that he's due for.

Championship!!!

I agree, nobody cares what you do in the fourth quarter if you just spent the prior three getting your ass kicked and the other team giving you mercy points and half their stadium cleared out by halftime because they knew it was going to be a sure win.

I don't care what DJ did last year, Brad Pitt Moneyball "If you lose the last game in the season, nobody gives a shit." You guys are resting on what we did the last two years and you shouldn't be, because that is the exact same attitude that makes us the Chiefs. Just stop making excuses for the product and join the cause instead of siding with an organization that needs to be held accountable by the fans and the media as the jokes they are. You want change? Now is as good a time as any to get it.

Rausch
09-20-2012, 10:32 AM
So Berry's problems are Romeo's fault but Jon Asamoah's problem is that he just sucks.

How does that work?

Isn't it possible that the coaches are putting Asamoah in a position to fail as well? Brian Daboll is the OC after all...

I'm an Asamoah backer.

I think he's a beast with proper coaching and scheme. I also understand he's only in his 2nd year starting.

He'll be fine.

Berry is not playing "In the Paint" as he puts it. He was a player with the ability and desire to be a Troy or Ed Reed and he's being used in a failed attempt to cover for our other injuries.

Which is fucking stupid.

Romeo had two weeks of his "we're talented, I can play vanilla and this talent will make plays."

Well, this talent isn't made for that. This defense is built to attack and just because you don't feel comfortable without having a full plate doesn't mean that $3it should change.

Romeo seems to think that more talent means you have the luxury of taking less risks.

Bull$hit. More talent means you can take MORE RISKS. ATTACK! USE YOUR FUCKING PASS RUSHERS TO RUSH THE FUCKING PASSER! Unleash Houston and Hali and Berry and if we get beat we go down fighting!:cuss:

Chiefnj2
09-20-2012, 10:46 AM
Pit and Poe are getting beaten in the sub package on the run. They are inexperienced.

The secondary has had tons of miscommunication. 2 of Buffalos TD's were blown assignments (pass to the TE and Spiller split wide - the safety shouldn't have blitzed). The entire secondary is bacically new as compared to last year.

Last year in sub packages you had Flowers/Carr/Lewis/(Mcgraw or Pisc)/Arenas

Week 1 you only had Arenas and week 2 they got Flowers back. They aren't familiar with each other yet, plus DJ has been hobbled and can't drop back effectively.

Count Zarth
09-20-2012, 11:11 AM
Rope a titty is honestly a horrible fucking player.

He's the exact kind of player I expected Pioli to pick up to try and cover for his Allen Bailey fail.

He's a pathetic GM.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-20-2012, 11:16 AM
Pit and Poe are getting beaten in the sub package on the run. They are inexperienced.

The secondary has had tons of miscommunication. 2 of Buffalos TD's were blown assignments (pass to the TE and Spiller split wide - the safety shouldn't have blitzed). The entire secondary is bacically new as compared to last year.

Last year in sub packages you had Flowers/Carr/Lewis/(Mcgraw or Pisc)/Arenas

Week 1 you only had Arenas and week 2 they got Flowers back. They aren't familiar with each other yet, plus DJ has been hobbled and can't drop back effectively.

The bottom line is if you don't want to be run all over on 3rd down, put in more than 2 down linemen.

Rope a titty is honestly a horrible ****ing player.

He's the exact kind of player I expected Pioli to pick up to try and cover for his Allen Bailey fail.

He's a pathetic GM.

I agree. The fact that he beat out Bailey sucks...

Three7s
09-20-2012, 11:16 AM
I'm an Asamoah backer.

I think he's a beast with proper coaching and scheme. I also understand he's only in his 2nd year starting.

He'll be fine.

Berry is not playing "In the Paint" as he puts it. He was a player with the ability and desire to be a Troy or Ed Reed and he's being used in a failed attempt to cover for our other injuries.

Which is ****ing stupid.

Romeo had two weeks of his "we're talented, I can play vanilla and this talent will make plays."

Well, this talent isn't made for that. This defense is built to attack and just because you don't feel comfortable without having a full plate doesn't mean that $3it should change.

Romeo seems to think that more talent means you have the luxury of taking less risks.

Bull$hit. More talent means you can take MORE RISKS. ATTACK! USE YOUR ****ING PASS RUSHERS TO RUSH THE ****ING PASSER! Unleash Houston and Hali and Berry and if we get beat we go down fighting!:cuss:
Gunther?

Aspengc8
09-20-2012, 12:39 PM
The bottom line is if you don't want to be run all over on 3rd down, put in more than 2 down linemen.



I agree. The fact that he beat out Bailey sucks...

It doesn't matter if we have 2DL or 4.. nickel/sub is gonna give you 6 defenders in the box.. meaning everyone is responsible for 1 gap. Our defense's inability to get off blocks is the issue.. not how many lineman are on the field or not.

I have yet to see any of our DL or LB chuck someone and make a play.

whoman69
09-20-2012, 12:44 PM
Too many specialists on this team and not enough all around players. You can't substitute for everything.

Arenas- return specialist that can't play corner
Belcher- run stopper who can't blitz or cover
Dorsey- run stopper who can't rush the passer
Jackson- ditto

I think there is a point where players will go out of position to try to cover for lesser players. Guys can't be disciplined if they don't trust their teamates to make a play.

Micjones
09-20-2012, 01:03 PM
Chiefs get gashed by Spiller? Blame Javier Arenas.
Say nothing about the defensive set that's susceptible to being gashed by the run.
K.

Ace Gunner
09-20-2012, 01:12 PM
Too many specialists on this team and not enough all around players. You can't substitute for everything.

Arenas- return specialist that can't play corner
Belcher- run stopper who can't blitz or cover
Dorsey- run stopper who can't rush the passer
Jackson- ditto

I think there is a point where players will go out of position to try to cover for lesser players. Guys can't be disciplined if they don't trust their teamates to make a play.

Not to slow the roll of this shitfest, but Belcher had 2 sacks during the playoff game and they both came from zone blitz strategy. He isn't a good cover LB, but he's better covering pass plays than a lot of LB's in the NFL.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-20-2012, 02:16 PM
Routt looked good though. Cassell turned things around after Daboll took the chain off. Pioli is fine

Your new nickname is migraine.