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Comrade Crapski
09-21-2012, 12:03 AM
It's only 3, but it's a start...

3 Council Bluffs Noncitizens Charged with Voter Fraud

By Rod Boshart, Reporter

DES MOINES, Iowa – Three people were charged with felony counts of voter fraud in Pottawattamie County Thursday as a result of an Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation probe initiated last month in conjunction with the Iowa Secretary of State’s Office.

Class D first-degree election misconduct charges were brought against Albert Harte-Maxwell, 52; Linda Harte-Maxwell, 49; and Maria Ayon-Fernandez, 40, all of Council Bluffs. All three individuals were booked into the Pottawattamie County Jail on Thursday and released on their own recognizance, according to a DCI statement. The investigation was conducted by the DCI and Pottawattamie County Attorney’s Office.

According to criminal complaints filed in the case, Albert Harte-Maxwell, Linda Harte-Maxwell, and Maria Ayon-Fernandez are all non-U.S. citizens who registered to vote in Pottawattamie County. Albert Harte-Maxwell voted in the 2010 general election and 2011 city election; Linda Harte-Maxwell voted in the 2011 city election; and Maria Ayon-Fernandez voted in the 2010 general election, according to the complaint and affidavit. The Harte-Maxwells are citizens of Canada and Ayon-Fernandez is a citizen of Mexico, court records indicate.

Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz, who also serves as the state’s commissioner of election, praised the work of investigators for uncovering the election crimes allegedly perpetrated by three foreign nationals who are accused of participating in Iowa elections even though they are not U.S. citizens.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/3-Council-Bluffs-Noncitizens-Charged-with-Voter-Fraud-170572526.html

A Salt Weapon
09-21-2012, 07:13 AM
This can't be true, I thought all illegal aliens were a benefit to this country.

Oh, they probably voted for a Republican, that's why.
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La literatura
09-21-2012, 07:15 AM
This can't be true, I thought all illegal aliens were a benefit to this country.

Illegal aliens?

La literatura
09-21-2012, 07:24 AM
If these people were under the impression that they could vote, and registered to vote, and did vote, this might not be punishable voter fraud, which I believe requires knowingly fraudulent behavior.

vailpass
09-21-2012, 07:28 AM
Illegal aliens?

Which part do you not understand?

La literatura
09-21-2012, 07:32 AM
Which part do you not understand?

I'm questioning the poster's implication that the people in the article are illegal aliens.

vailpass
09-21-2012, 07:37 AM
I'm questioning the poster's implication that the people in the article are illegal aliens.

Oh, I see. Can't tell from the article whether they are here legally or not but I'm pretty sure you understood that he meant non-citizen and fraudulent voter.

La literatura
09-21-2012, 07:39 AM
Oh, I see. Can't tell from the article whether they are here legally or not but I'm pretty sure you understood that he meant non-citizen and fraudulent voter.

No, I'm not convinced he or many people know that there's a difference between non-citizen and illegal alien.

vailpass
09-21-2012, 07:46 AM
No, I'm not convinced he or many people know that there's a difference between non-citizen and illegal alien.

I hate that you have been offended by the general public's inability to measure up to your standards on this one.

FD
09-21-2012, 07:46 AM
Stinking Canadians.

vailpass
09-21-2012, 07:47 AM
Stinking Canadians.

Terrance and Phillip are good people.

Donger
09-21-2012, 07:52 AM
Illegal aliens?

Possibly before, yes. Certainly now.

patteeu
09-21-2012, 09:09 AM
The jig is up, Direckshun.

Comrade Crapski
10-21-2012, 09:17 AM
Three felons - including one man convicted of multiple counts of forgery - have had their status revoked as voter registration workers in Milwaukee and have been referred to county prosecutors after the Journal Sentinel flagged their criminal backgrounds to city officials.

The three men had been authorized by the Milwaukee Election Commission as so-called special registration deputies, a role that state election officials say is off-limits to felons under state law.

Checks by the newspaper turned up 11 people in all with apparent criminal convictions ranging from misdemeanor sexual assault to felony drug possession who have been authorized to register voters in Milwaukee. A person convicted of a misdemeanor is not automatically disqualified from serving as a special registration deputy.

The newspaper turned up the names by matching a database of convicted criminals against voter registration workers in the city with the same address and same full name, including middle initial.

Neil Albrecht, executive director of the Milwaukee Election Commission, stressed that there is no public evidence that any fraud in registering voters has been committed, let alone any evidence that fraudulent votes are being planned. Albrecht said his agency does not run criminal background checks on deputies when they are signed up but had law enforcement confirm the newspaper's finding after being contacted by the newspaper.

"Our course of action will be terminate the (deputies) based on these findings. We're going to examine our future processes for engaging people in this line of work," Albrecht said.

In addition, the Milwaukee County district attorney's office is looking at three more voter registration workers after city election commission officials raised a red flag about them because of their own separate concerns. Two of these three men work for the Community Voters Project, a group that employed several workers who in 2008 were charged and later convicted with falsely registering voters to meet quotas and keep their jobs.

Wednesday was the last day when registration workers could sign up new voters, but the public still has an interest in knowing that the names gathered were accurate and no other problems came up.

The number of convicted voter registration workers identified by the Journal Sentinel is less than 1% of the total number of such workers in the city. Albrecht said in many cases the workers are volunteers seeking to do civic good. These deputies work for private groups, not the city itself.

Felons, even those no longer under state supervision, cannot serve as registration deputies because the state constitution forbids felons to serve in any "office of trust," and the state Government Accountability Board has found that registration deputies hold such an office. Albrecht said he follows that finding, though the question hasn't been tried in court and he has some reservations about it.

"It's sort of contrary to the whole idea of rehabilitation," he said.

At the same time, any voters giving personal information to Mark L. Johnson, 51, wouldn't have necessarily known that in 2000 he was convicted of three counts of felony forgery, according to online court records. Johnson was the first of the three felons that the city election commission terminated as registration deputies.

As part of legislation requiring voters to show photo ID at the polls, Republican legislators and Gov. Scott Walker last year changed state law to make it harder for voter registration workers to move between communities in Wisconsin. But that same change also makes it harder for watchdogs such as the Journal Sentinel to easily gather information about who is now doing voter registration work.

Previously, a volunteer or worker seeking to register voters in more than one community could simply get training from the state Government Accountability Board and be certified to register voters across the entire state rather than in a single community. Now these workers don't have that option and have to go to clerks or election officials in each of Wisconsin's roughly 1,800 municipalities to work in those jurisdictions, no matter how small.

That scatters the records on who is serving as registration deputies in clerk's offices around the state and makes it harder to run checks on them as the newspaper did in 2010.

In its checks of Milwaukee registration deputies, the newspaper found Andrew L. Shepherd, 32, who has a 2000 felony conviction for second-degree recklessly endangering safety as well as a 2007 felony marijuana conviction and two misdemeanors. Shepherd also has a bench warrant that was issued in February in an open case on charges of second-offense drunken driving, according to online court records.

Terry P. Conn, 54, had two felony convictions in 2004, one for bail jumping and one for maintaining commercial gambling supplies, as well as three misdemeanor convictions. Conn and Shepherd were terminated as registration deputies along with Johnson.

The newspaper's review also turned up Robert Quesada, 61, whose contacts with the courts include convictions for misdemeanor fourth-degree sexual assault and two counts of misdemeanor prostitution in 2004.

Many of the convictions for other registration deputies were for misdemeanors such as disorderly conduct, resisting arrest or drug possession.

Johnson and the other three men named above could not be reached for comment.

Albrecht, of the city election commission, said the three cases his agency referred on its own to the district attorney's office had undisclosed "irregularities" needing investigation but may well turn out to be innocent. Albrecht said his office does its own thorough reviews and the overall number of problems being found so far is fewer than in 2008, when they garnered wide attention.

The two workers from the Community Voters Project now under scrutiny were both let go by the group for unspecified reasons, said Brad Martin, a national spokesman for the group. The Community Voters Project employs and trains temporary workers to register African-American and Latino voters in swing states such as Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio, Colorado, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

"We identified both these two individuals not just to the (Milwaukee) Election Commission but also the district attorney's office because we had concerns. . . . We take this work extremely seriously," Martin said.

The third registration worker referred to the district attorney's office didn't list himself as working for an organization. The Journal Sentinel is not naming the three workers because so far they have not been accused publicly of any crime.

In Wisconsin, Community Voters operates just in Milwaukee. The group does not pay its workers by the number of signatures gathered but does require workers to meet daily targets for signatures, Martin said.

Three former Community Voters workers in Milwaukee for the 2008 election pleaded guilty to falsifying scores of voter registrations. At least one of them made up names because she said she could not meet her daily quota.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/3-dropped-as-voter-registration-workers-after-felonies-flagged-co78s3m-175087651.html

banyon
10-21-2012, 09:23 AM
So these 3 people are the justification for disenfranchising millions through the new voter id laws?
How did requiring id help at all? Looks like they were able to figure it out without ids?

BigRedChief
10-21-2012, 09:33 AM
So these 3 people are the justification for disenfranchising millions through the new voter id laws?
How did requiring id help at all? Looks like they were able to figure it out without ids?No shit. I read that there hasn't there been only 10 cases of in person voter fraud in the modern era, correct? True or not, its not justification for disenfranchising millions of voters?

No fucking way would these calls for reform would be happening if they were going to effect the white male redneck vote? But the poor, black, latino voter..... hey we have to end this travesty of in person voter fraud.

HonestChieffan
10-21-2012, 09:46 AM
No shit. I read that there hasn't there been only 10 cases of in person voter fraud in the modern era, correct? True or not, its not justification for disenfranchising millions of voters?

No ****ing way would these calls for reform would be happening if they were going to effect the white male redneck vote? But the poor, black, latino voter..... hey we have to end this travesty of in person voter fraud.

Perhaps you could do some reading. Voter fraud cases are not hidden from the public. A simple search would guide you to a better understanding.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/04/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-100000-stolen-votes-in-chicago

I know you or someone will attack heritage but the footnotes are rather extensive and a search of the Chicago Tribune will give multiple hits.

LiveSteam
10-21-2012, 09:58 AM
Nothing good ever happens in Council-tucky. God that place is a shit hole

loochy
10-21-2012, 10:07 AM
Oh no no, illegals would never commit voter fraud. /Direkshun

mikey23545
10-21-2012, 10:49 AM
No shit. I read that there hasn't there been only 10 cases of in person voter fraud in the modern era, correct? True or not, its not justification for disenfranchising millions of voters?

No ****ing way would these calls for reform would be happening if they were going to effect the white male redneck vote? But the poor, black, latino voter..... hey we have to end this travesty of in person voter fraud.

Having to register to vote disenfranchises millions of people...Wow, who knew?

DrunkBassGuitar
10-21-2012, 10:54 AM
oh noes

that's a fraud rate of 0.0003%

OH THE HUMANITY

Chocolate Hog
10-21-2012, 10:54 AM
So these 3 people are the justification for disenfranchising millions through the new voter id laws?
How did requiring id help at all? Looks like they were able to figure it out without ids?

ChiefsPlanet D.C logic

suzzer99
10-21-2012, 11:38 AM
More voter fraud that wouldn't even be prevented by voter ID laws. The solution? More voter ID laws. Republo-logic ftw.

BigRedChief
10-21-2012, 11:46 AM
I know you or someone will attack heritage but the footnotes are rather extensiveAs they should. It would be like me posting something from Kieth Olberman and telling you its the truth and expecting you to believe it.

In person voter fraud is way down on the list of challenges in keeping the integrity of the vote.

HonestChieffan
10-21-2012, 11:50 AM
Integrity is far from preserved when fraud is not addressed. Integrity is funny that way, you cant have some integrity. Fraud doesnt come in degrees.

BigRedChief
10-21-2012, 12:13 PM
Integrity is far from preserved when fraud is not addressed. Integrity is funny that way, you cant have some integrity. Fraud doesnt come in degrees.But, if you get a pimple on your face, the corrective action is not to take a sander to the pimple. Or just insert your favorite analogy that highlights an over reaction to a minor issue.

LiveSteam
10-21-2012, 12:50 PM
But, if you get a pimple on your face, the corrective action is not to take a sander to the pimple. Or just insert your favorite analogy that highlights an over reaction to a minor issue.

Report: More Than 900 Dead People Voted in South Carolina Elections
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/23/report-more-than-900-dead-people-voted-in-south-carolina-elections/


Judge Slaps ACORN With Maximum Fine For Voter Fraud During 2008 Election
Posted: August 11th, 2011 7:30 AM | Author: Henry D'Andrea
District Court Judge Donald Mosley of Nevada, slapped the Obama-backed ACORN with a maximum fine for voter fraud during the 2008 presidential election.

However, the fine is only $5,000.

In 2008, ACORN registered dead people as well as fictitious voters taken from a phonebook.http://azpundit.com/judge-slaps-acorn-with-maximum-fine-for-voter-fraud-during-2008-election/

California
In October, KTVU Channel 2 cross-checked California's state death registry record across voter lists in the nine Bay Area counties, finding that in eight elections in the last ten years, "232 people with death certificates had voted after they had died – some more than once." 153 of these cases were from one county, Alameda. Karin MacDonald, the director of the Election Administration Research Center at UC-Berkeley, said "Probably what we're looking at is a lot of administrative error. There may very well be someone in there that somebody has voted for. Absolutely."
Dave MacDonald, the Registrar of Voters for Alameda County, said that his office attempts to keep the list of registered voters updated through the process of obtaining a file from the department of health "once or twice a year of everyone who's died in California and then we apply that to our voter registration database." He said he believes the irregularities on the voter list have to do with bookkeeping errors.[2]

Connecticut
Election officials in Connecticut removed names from the state's voter rolls after journalism students found that thousands of dead people were still registered to vote. After conducting their own investigation, students at the University of Connecticut said this spring that about 8,500 dead people remained registered to vote. The Connecticut Secretary of State worked with local registrars to remove more than 5,200 of those names from the rolls. The deaths of about 1,300 people on the students' list could not be confirmed, though they were moved to the "inactive" list. But 45 of the "dead" voters were actually alive. That highlights the balancing act undertaken by state officials, who recognize the potential for fraud when dead people remain registered to vote, but must also ensure that eligible citizens are able to exercise their right to vote.[3]

Florida
A study conducted by the Florida Sun Sentinel in late October 2008 found:
More than 65,000 ineligible and duplicate voters on Florida's registration rolls.
600 dead people on the list

Mississippi
Madison County, Mississippi has 123% more registered voters than people over the age of 18. 486 people on the list of registered voters are over 105. 190,000 new voters have registered for the 2008 election.
Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann says, "It is terrible. Combined with the fact that we don't have voter ID in Mississippi, anybody can show up at any poll that happens to know the people who have left town or died -- and go vote for them. Whenever we have a third party determined by payment, for example, as they did in Benton County -- 'walking-around' money -- and they determine what that vote is going to be, they've taken your vote, whether they may have voted like you would have or not, they've still thwarted the process and they've still have taken your vote away from you."[6],[7]

Rhode Island
CBS News Issued a report that Rhode Island is one of nineteen states according to a report by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York Law School has claimed that Rhode Island is ignoring a law that prohibits states from "purging" voters 90 days before an election. Rhode Island Election Officals disagree with the report claiming that their own state law against illegal purging stops the voter roll purging problem.[8]
States and counties regularly update their voter registration rolls for accuracy, removing people who have moved, died, or committed a felony. It is known as "voter purging." However, there are no national standards for the process, and as a result, the cleaning up of voter rolls is not as precise as it should be and eligible voters are often wrongly removed.[8]
"What's wrong with the process is it's happening in secret. It's happening with no accountability," Michael Waldman, the center’s executive director, told CBS News
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting

I can go on & on about how wrong you are BRC. But in the end Im wasting my time.
We are talking about the voting & election process for POTUS. Not if BRC should be voted in as the captain of some fictional football team.

HonestChieffan
10-21-2012, 12:58 PM
Report: More Than 900 Dead People Voted in South Carolina Elections
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/23/report-more-than-900-dead-people-voted-in-south-carolina-elections/


Judge Slaps ACORN With Maximum Fine For Voter Fraud During 2008 Election
Posted: August 11th, 2011 7:30 AM | Author: Henry D'Andrea
District Court Judge Donald Mosley of Nevada, slapped the Obama-backed ACORN with a maximum fine for voter fraud during the 2008 presidential election.

However, the fine is only $5,000.

In 2008, ACORN registered dead people as well as fictitious voters taken from a phonebook.http://azpundit.com/judge-slaps-acorn-with-maximum-fine-for-voter-fraud-during-2008-election/

California
In October, KTVU Channel 2 cross-checked California's state death registry record across voter lists in the nine Bay Area counties, finding that in eight elections in the last ten years, "232 people with death certificates had voted after they had died – some more than once." 153 of these cases were from one county, Alameda. Karin MacDonald, the director of the Election Administration Research Center at UC-Berkeley, said "Probably what we're looking at is a lot of administrative error. There may very well be someone in there that somebody has voted for. Absolutely."
Dave MacDonald, the Registrar of Voters for Alameda County, said that his office attempts to keep the list of registered voters updated through the process of obtaining a file from the department of health "once or twice a year of everyone who's died in California and then we apply that to our voter registration database." He said he believes the irregularities on the voter list have to do with bookkeeping errors.[2]

Connecticut
Election officials in Connecticut removed names from the state's voter rolls after journalism students found that thousands of dead people were still registered to vote. After conducting their own investigation, students at the University of Connecticut said this spring that about 8,500 dead people remained registered to vote. The Connecticut Secretary of State worked with local registrars to remove more than 5,200 of those names from the rolls. The deaths of about 1,300 people on the students' list could not be confirmed, though they were moved to the "inactive" list. But 45 of the "dead" voters were actually alive. That highlights the balancing act undertaken by state officials, who recognize the potential for fraud when dead people remain registered to vote, but must also ensure that eligible citizens are able to exercise their right to vote.[3]

Florida
A study conducted by the Florida Sun Sentinel in late October 2008 found:
More than 65,000 ineligible and duplicate voters on Florida's registration rolls.
600 dead people on the list

Mississippi
Madison County, Mississippi has 123% more registered voters than people over the age of 18. 486 people on the list of registered voters are over 105. 190,000 new voters have registered for the 2008 election.
Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann says, "It is terrible. Combined with the fact that we don't have voter ID in Mississippi, anybody can show up at any poll that happens to know the people who have left town or died -- and go vote for them. Whenever we have a third party determined by payment, for example, as they did in Benton County -- 'walking-around' money -- and they determine what that vote is going to be, they've taken your vote, whether they may have voted like you would have or not, they've still thwarted the process and they've still have taken your vote away from you."[6],[7]

Rhode Island
CBS News Issued a report that Rhode Island is one of nineteen states according to a report by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York Law School has claimed that Rhode Island is ignoring a law that prohibits states from "purging" voters 90 days before an election. Rhode Island Election Officals disagree with the report claiming that their own state law against illegal purging stops the voter roll purging problem.[8]
States and counties regularly update their voter registration rolls for accuracy, removing people who have moved, died, or committed a felony. It is known as "voter purging." However, there are no national standards for the process, and as a result, the cleaning up of voter rolls is not as precise as it should be and eligible voters are often wrongly removed.[8]
"What's wrong with the process is it's happening in secret. It's happening with no accountability," Michael Waldman, the center’s executive director, told CBS News
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting

I can go on & on about how wrong you are BRC. But in the end Im wasting my time.


100,000 votes in Chicago a few years back is nothing to the deems. The party has a long history of fraud in elections.

LiveSteam
10-21-2012, 01:01 PM
100,000 votes in Chicago a few years back is nothing to the deems. The party has a long history of fraud in elections.

I have a better chance of convincing a street pole that the bulb is burned out than I do convincing BRC & his kind that fraud is a real issue. It really is maddening at times.
Maybe that's my mistake. I should smoke a couple bowls of pot & go outside & talk to the Street lamp in front of my house. The I guarantee the results would be the same.


I should smoke a couple bowls of pot & go outside & talk to the Street lamp in front of my house.
New sig for ya there. BRC

BigRedChief
10-21-2012, 01:05 PM
Report: More Than 900 Dead People Voted in South Carolina Elections
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/23/report-more-than-900-dead-people-voted-in-south-carolina-elections/.You can post links to all these accusations of voter fraud. The voter ID laws are suppose to correct in person voter fraud.

You guys can get all worked up. Spit fire and venom. In person voting fraud is just not wide spread as Fox News and the bubble are telling you. That is just fact. We are talking about a possible fraud on what % of ballots cast in person, 0.0000000001%?

LiveSteam
10-21-2012, 01:09 PM
You can post links to all these accusations of voter fraud. The voter ID laws are suppose to correct in person voter fraud.

You guys can get all worked up. Spit fire and venom. In person voting fraud is just not wide spread as Fox News and the bubble are telling you. That is just fact. We are talking about a possible fraud on what % of ballots cast in person, 0.0000000001%?

Any percent is 1 % to many. JFC what part of that dont you get?

BigRedChief
10-21-2012, 01:10 PM
Any percent is 1 % to many. JFC what part of that dont you get?I get that .00000000001% is still too much. Its the over reaction to that .0000000001% that concerns me.

HonestChieffan
10-21-2012, 01:26 PM
Grand Jury in Chicago would say quite different. But then, you dont care to deal in facts

RINGLEADER
10-21-2012, 01:28 PM
We're becoming a banana republic...

Chocolate Hog
10-21-2012, 01:30 PM
Speaking of voter fraud I didn't see any non-Paul Republicans bitching when some of his delegates gout thrown out.

Otter
10-21-2012, 01:36 PM
Has anyone been accused of racism yet? because you only need to follow the rules if you're a produtive member of society otherwise you're a victim. I marvel in the 'wow' sometimes.

BigRedChief
10-21-2012, 02:54 PM
Has anyone been accused of racism yet?Whats going on here with photo ID laws is not racism, its politics.

LiveSteam
10-21-2012, 02:58 PM
[QUOTE=Otter;9035635]Has anyone been accused of racism yet?
Not me never.

nstygma
10-21-2012, 04:12 PM
In the beginning of this country, only land owners had the right to vote. Why did the founders start with that?

LiveSteam
10-21-2012, 04:15 PM
In the beginning of this country, only land owners had the right to vote. Why did the founders start with that?
God

patteeu
10-21-2012, 07:49 PM
So these 3 people are the justification for disenfranchising millions through the new voter id laws?
How did requiring id help at all? Looks like they were able to figure it out without ids?

Zero people are disenfranchised by requiring identification to vote.

Comrade Crapski
10-21-2012, 10:05 PM
More communist/democrat crime:



There are obviously verifiable vote fraud problems in North Carolina.

In 2010 those problems surfaced meaningfully as indicated in the below voter fraud post from an earlier Charlotte Conservative Examiner article:


Perhaps in an effort to promote North Carolina as one of the healthiest States in the Nation, this latest voter twist comes to us from Susan Myrick of the Civitas Institute in North Carolina--not to be confused with Rep. Sue Myrick of NC who is unrelated. In a radio interview with local WBT Anchor Tara Servatious, Susan reports that she has been keeping track of the number of votes in North Carolina of individuals over the age of 110 years and apparently we have quite a few, over 410 of the 110 year olds--to be exact-- actually voted via absentee ballot on October the 28th. Yes indeed, now it would appear that good ole NC has the market cornered on the Centenarian vote.


At latest count, Susan has garnered a total Absentee Ballot vote of over 2,660 people over the age of 110. Someone contact the Guiness Book and warm up the Ford, the Fountain of Youth exists and its right here in lovely NC. It's no wonder people are moving here in droves--maybe the use of tobacco isn't such a bad thing after all? But, on a more serious note, with all of the irregularities going on all over the place, we can now begin to wonder about a few things.

Apparently those ultra-healthy seniors over 110 have aged and are now astoundingly over 112 years old, and are still able to make it to the polls ahead of time.

According to a post originally from the Silence Dogood political blog report, there were at least 758 individuals over the age of 112 who had either risen from their respective graves, or otherwise, to vote once again for the Democrats in charge, who might apparently have also guaranteed them an ever-lasting vote for life and beyond.

In visiting the political tracking site, we later found the same story in evidence, except the number of centenarian voters had increased measurably to 832 voters over the age of 112. Of these voters, over 70% were slated as Democrats, with a diminutive 25% counted as Republicans. The rest were unaffiliated.

When peering a little more deeply at the numbers we find that an astounding 2,374 people between the ages of 94 and 100 have already voted in the NC election to date. While an even more astounding 832 votes came from those individuals aged 112. However, according to the Guinness book of world records, the oldest living person in the world, at present, lives in Japan and is 114 years old. It would seem obvious that, according to the NC vote registry, this old fellow might be nudged aside in the near future, especially considering the crop of spry 112 year-olds seemingly alive and well in the old North State.

In fact, two of the 112 year aged voters were mail-in ballots from overseas; ostensibly vacationing to escape the now bitterly polarized political contest, and who can blame them?

But it gets worse when we note from another concerned voter, who indicated the following explanation, which goes but one full measure further to explain what's happening in NC during this voting season of , perhaps, persistent political zombies:


I overheard a nice lady about 70 telling her friend the following: "Yes, I voted today."

"Going back tomorrow too."

"They took us to a place that don't ask names and don't write nothing down. They give $20 each time."

She then handed her friend a card I couldn't see and told her friend to call the number.

This same tipster later sent a message indicating that he had, indeed, contacted the local election center, who immediately patted him upon the head graciously for being a good citizen with a promise to check on it again much later, in due course.

Obviously there is a problem, one in which voter ID might clearly provide a solution. A thing that only the Democratic party swears against at any cost, and for reasons becoming quite obvious.
..

http://www.examiner.com/article/north-carolina-registers-over-583-democrat-votes-over-the-age-of-112

banyon
10-22-2012, 06:57 AM
Zero people are disenfranchised by requiring identification to vote.

Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.

InChiefsHell
10-22-2012, 07:18 AM
Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.
How the hell do these people obtain a mortgage, cash a check, use a credit card...without some kind of ID? And you can send away for your birth cert...you don't have to travel a couple of states away...

headsnap
10-22-2012, 07:21 AM
Many people are disenfranchised by requiring identification to vote again.

fyp ;)

patteeu
10-22-2012, 09:36 AM
Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.

What law requires anyone to travel a couple of states away to get an original birth certificate? If that exists at all, and I doubt that it does, it's certainly not the typical voter ID law. ID can be obtained in most (probably all) states without any interstate trip. And even if an interstate trip is required, that doesn't strip anyone of their right to vote.

No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.

BigRedChief
10-22-2012, 11:49 AM
No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.Theres that bubble again. Thats your opinion, not fact.

The courts are deciding on the facts. Banyon has listed how it happens. You dont agree, thats fine and dandy. You are entitles to your opinion, I'm entitles to mine.

We use the justice system to decide what the law and the constitution says about this issue and so far its telling us it does disenfranchise voters.

Dallas Chief
10-22-2012, 11:52 AM
Theres that bubble again. Thats your opinion, not fact.

The courts are deciding on the facts. Banyon has listed how it happens. You dont agree, thats fine and dandy. You are entitles to your opinion, I'm entitles to mine.

We use the justice system to decide what the law and the constitution says about this issue and so far its telling us it does disenfranchise voters.

Hence they render their OPINION. Funny how that works lmao

LiveSteam
10-22-2012, 04:36 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/22/arkansas-state-representative-resigns-after-vodka-for-votes-scheme/


Nine people have been charged with voter fraud in a district in Arkansas, after a scheme was uncovered in which half-pint bottles of vodka were used to buy votes.

Three of those charged have pleaded guilty, including Democratic State Representative Hudson Hallum who has since resigned. Hallum had allegedly told a local city councilman — who is now a co-defendant — that they “need to use that black limo and buy a couple of cases of some cheap vodka and whiskey to get people to vote.”

In addition to these alcohol-fueled voter incentives, this scheme involved absentee ballot fraud and destroying absentee votes for opponents.

“I mean, I guess I always knew, all along, it was wrong,” said Hallum in an interview. “But at first I really didn’t think it was that big a deal, because I’d always heard that’s what everybody did.”

Authorities discovered the fraud after Hallum’s opponent, Kim Felker, reported that she had been illegally offered absentee ballots. Holland now faces up to five years in prison.



I really didn’t think it was that big a deal, because I’d always heard that’s what everybody did.
Yet some of you believe this type of shit doesn't happen.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 04:57 PM
No one LEGAL is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.

FYP

banyon
10-22-2012, 05:04 PM
Hence they render their OPINION. Funny how that works lmao

Except that their OPINION has the effect of law. It's funny I guess unless you want to act contrary to it.

banyon
10-22-2012, 05:06 PM
How the hell do these people obtain a mortgage, cash a check, use a credit card...without some kind of ID? And you can send away for your birth cert...you don't have to travel a couple of states away...

Uh, they are old, live in assisted living, own their homes, have known their bankers for 60 years and don't need an ID to cash a check, many places require you to obtain the birth certificate in person.

banyon
10-22-2012, 05:07 PM
What law requires anyone to travel a couple of states away to get an original birth certificate? If that exists at all, and I doubt that it does, it's certainly not the typical voter ID law. ID can be obtained in most (probably all) states without any interstate trip. And even if an interstate trip is required, that doesn't strip anyone of their right to vote.

No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.

If you don't have certain documents then you can't get the certificate without traveling and witnesses.

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patteeu
10-22-2012, 05:12 PM
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How do you know she's eligible to vote?

patteeu
10-22-2012, 05:14 PM
Uh, they are old, live in assisted living, own their homes, have known their bankers for 60 years and don't need an ID to cash a check, many places require you to obtain the birth certificate in person.

What state has a requirement that you have a birth certificate from a state that requires you to show up in person to get it (if such a state exists)?

banyon
10-22-2012, 05:19 PM
Jim Cramer: Voter ID Law Will Disenfranchise My Dad
CNBC host Jim Cramer

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/jim_cramer_pennsylvania_voter_id.php

RYAN J. REILLY SEPTEMBER 11, 2012, 11:36 AM 109691
Updated: September 11, 2012, 10:22 PM

CNBC host Jim Cramer said Tuesday that his father was among the estimated 750,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania who lack a state-issued form of identification.

“My dad, a vet, won’t be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can’t prove his citizenship,” Cramer wrote on Twitter.

Many elderly voters, including those who have voted in at least the past fifty elections, will have trouble voting under the law.

A Pennsylvania Supreme Court hearing on the constitutionality of the state’s voter ID law begins on Thursday. The law is also the subject of a Justice Department investigation evaluating whether the law is discriminatory under the Voting Rights Act.

Here’s the “Mad Money” host’s tweet:

Jim Cramer

@jimcramer
I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship.
11 Sep 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
Late update: Cramer tweeted that Pennsylvania officials contacted him after his post and “came directly to the rescue” of his father. Cramer’s father was one of the hundreds of thousands of registered voters that the state of Pennsylvania admits don’t have an acceptable form of state-issued photo identification.

Late late update: Pennsylvania officials tell TPM why they reacted to Cramer’s tweet so quickl

LiveSteam
10-22-2012, 05:20 PM
can’t prove his citizenship. Tough

Calcountry
10-22-2012, 06:42 PM
So these 3 people are the justification for disenfranchising millions through the new voter id laws?
How did requiring id help at all? Looks like they were able to figure it out without ids?How does requiring an ID, that can be mailed at the time of registration if they don't' have licenses, constitute disenfranchisement? You can't even make a credit card purchase for a loaf of bread without an i.d. You are going to argue, that electing the most powerful office holder on the planet Shouldn't require an I.D. ?

mnchiefsguy
10-22-2012, 06:48 PM
Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.

Who has to travel to get a birth certificate? My wife needed a copy of hers. She was born in a county in Illinois that isn't even a county anymore (it merged with a neighboring county), and we were still able to order an official copy over the internet for about $15.

Comrade Crapski
10-23-2012, 12:07 AM
LMAO at Banyon

cosmo20002
10-23-2012, 12:47 AM
Jim Cramer: Voter ID Law Will Disenfranchise My Dad
CNBC host Jim Cramer

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/jim_cramer_pennsylvania_voter_id.php

RYAN J. REILLY SEPTEMBER 11, 2012, 11:36 AM 109691
Updated: September 11, 2012, 10:22 PM

CNBC host Jim Cramer said Tuesday that his father was among the estimated 750,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania who lack a state-issued form of identification.

“My dad, a vet, won’t be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can’t prove his citizenship,” Cramer wrote on Twitter.

Many elderly voters, including those who have voted in at least the past fifty elections, will have trouble voting under the law.

A Pennsylvania Supreme Court hearing on the constitutionality of the state’s voter ID law begins on Thursday. The law is also the subject of a Justice Department investigation evaluating whether the law is discriminatory under the Voting Rights Act.

Here’s the “Mad Money” host’s tweet:

Jim Cramer

@jimcramer
I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship.
11 Sep 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
Late update: Cramer tweeted that Pennsylvania officials contacted him after his post and “came directly to the rescue” of his father. Cramer’s father was one of the hundreds of thousands of registered voters that the state of Pennsylvania admits don’t have an acceptable form of state-issued photo identification.

Late late update: Pennsylvania officials tell TPM why they reacted to Cramer’s tweet so quickl

See, it's easy--get yourself a national TV show where you can take up the cause of a family member and things will all work out.

cosmo20002
10-23-2012, 12:50 AM
Who has to travel to get a birth certificate? My wife needed a copy of hers. She was born in a county in Illinois that isn't even a county anymore (it merged with a neighboring county), and we were still able to order an official copy over the internet for about $15.

Woud I be able to order an official copy of your wife's BC over the internet for $15? Gives me an idea...

whoman69
10-23-2012, 02:08 PM
3 people, oh noes. How many registrations were thrown in the garbage in Virginia and they won't press charges?

banyon
10-23-2012, 04:38 PM
How does requiring an ID, that can be mailed at the time of registration if they don't' have licenses, constitute disenfranchisement? You can't even make a credit card purchase for a loaf of bread without an i.d. You are going to argue, that electing the most powerful office holder on the planet Shouldn't require an I.D. ?

I'm not arguing that. I personally don't have any problems with Voter ID.

I think the hasty and haphazard manner it was implemented though was poorly thought out and will have the effect of being a barrier to vote to many who should otherwise be able to vote.

Even the county election boards in many places are not sure what the rules are. You have false campaigns about threatening people without ID even where ID isn't required.

It's ok though, patteeu will be here to tell us after the election in each and every one of the elderly people's cases how we should blame them for failing to file multiple forms to preserve the right they had been excercising for decades.

Velvet_Jones
10-23-2012, 04:53 PM
Probably some fugged up diebold machine allowed this.