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Tribal Warfare
09-26-2012, 01:36 PM
NFL fines Bill Belichick $50,000 for grabbing official (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/26/nfl-fines-bill-belichick-50000-for-grabbing-official/related/)

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 26, 2012, 1:32 PM EDT

Bill Belichickís decision to grab an official as he left the field on Sunday night is going to cost him $50,000.

The NFL announced on Wednesday afternoon that Belichick has been fined $50,000 for his actions, which came just after the Ravens had beaten the Patriots 31-30 in a game that had players, coaches and fans of both teams ripping the NFLís replacement referees.

Belichickís fine is the hardest any coach has been hit yet for actions toward the officials this season. Broncos coach John Fox was previously fined $30,000, Broncos defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio was fined $25,000 and Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan was fined $25,000.

Immediately following the game on Sunday, an obviously angry Belichick said he didnít see any reason he should be fined. A day later, Belichick softened his tone toward the officials, saying he meant no disrespect and just wanted to ask whether the Ravensí game-winning field goal would be reviewed on instant replay. The NFLís fine is a statement that no matter the reason, a coach putting his hands on the officials wonít be tolerated.

Bwana
09-26-2012, 01:40 PM
You knew that was coming.

Reerun_KC
09-26-2012, 01:40 PM
Oops....

saphojunkie
09-26-2012, 01:43 PM
Should have suspended him.

milkman
09-26-2012, 01:43 PM
Frankly, I thought he should be suspended.

Pestilence
09-26-2012, 01:44 PM
Frankly, I thought he should be suspended.

This.

Old Dog
09-26-2012, 01:46 PM
Only half of what I guessed it was going to be

ptlyon
09-26-2012, 01:47 PM
Ah. AWWW! Don't touch me.

Hey Ray, Hey Shugga, tell them who we are!

Fritz88
09-26-2012, 01:48 PM
Frankly, I thought he should be suspended.

Possibly, but they probably tried to understand where he came from. His team had just been robbed of a win, according to many.

Amnorix
09-26-2012, 01:55 PM
Should have suspended him.

Frankly, I thought he should be suspended.

This.

Only half of what I guessed it was going to be

Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

beer bacon
09-26-2012, 01:57 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

Haven't players been suspended for similar things?

Brock
09-26-2012, 01:59 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

He grabbed the guy's arm. A player would be suspended for that.

ptlyon
09-26-2012, 02:00 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

How can you say that? We are the New England Browns.

saphojunkie
09-26-2012, 02:00 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

There is a line of demarcation. You don't touch the refs. Period.

My hatred of Belichick has nothing to do with it.

kepp
09-26-2012, 02:01 PM
"meant no disrespect" my @ss

Deberg_1990
09-26-2012, 02:01 PM
Frankly, I thought he should be suspended.

Should have kicked him out of the league.

Old Dog
09-26-2012, 02:03 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

I couldn't give less than two fucks about the Patriots (Belicheat however, is a piece of shit, IMO). The bastard put his hands on an official the same week the NFL sent out the E-mail about conduct toward same. I figured the fine would be six figures.

ptlyon
09-26-2012, 02:04 PM
Should have kicked him out of the league.

Should have let Neo go at his balls with flying fists of anger

Amnorix
09-26-2012, 02:06 PM
Haven't players been suspended for similar things?


No idea. Until Payton, no NFL coach had ever been suspended for anything. In 36 years of NFL coaching BB has never been fined for anything relating to an official.

Deberg_1990
09-26-2012, 02:13 PM
In 36 years of NFL coaching BB has never been fined for anything relating to an official.

Well hes just a regular angel i guess. He would never even think about doing anything unscrupulous to gain an edge in a game.


Oh wait.....

Richard_Cuckold
09-26-2012, 02:18 PM
Good
But yeah I thought he should of been suspended as welll

the Talking Can
09-26-2012, 02:27 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

oh no...fans have an opinion the Patriot's don't approve of...call the police

HemiEd
09-26-2012, 02:34 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

That is what I saw. The official was ignoring him while walking off, and should have at least given him an answer.
Just another case of the replacements not being up to par.

mcaj22
09-26-2012, 02:41 PM
do the Chiefs and Pioli have to pay $25,000 of this fine since we are part of the "Pats Tree"

only makes sense

Chiefs Pantalones
09-26-2012, 03:01 PM
So if BB would've beat his ass they would've fined him $100k?

PornChief
09-26-2012, 03:05 PM
he should have tackled him

Amnorix
09-26-2012, 03:18 PM
oh no...fans have an opinion the Patriot's don't approve of...call the police


Oh no...bitter haters don't get to watch the NFL hang the people they dislike by their testicles....call the police

stonedstooge
09-26-2012, 03:31 PM
Well hes just a regular angel i guess. He would never even think about doing anything unscrupulous to gain an edge in a game.


Oh wait.....

HEY HEY HEY. The NFL BrainChild didn't know it was illegal to tape the other teams signals

whoman69
09-26-2012, 04:05 PM
That is what I saw. The official was ignoring him while walking off, and should have at least given him an answer.
Just another case of the replacements not being up to par.

I don't recall any referees offering themselves to be yelled at after the game is over. That sort of scene would have been like the Lute Olsen boilover at Jim Bain a couple of decades ago. Game is over, you got to let it go or complain to the league. Its not like they're going to change anything right there. Its not reviewable.

threebag02
09-26-2012, 04:14 PM
$50,000 that's how much Sherman Hemsley estate is worth

saphojunkie
09-26-2012, 04:19 PM
Oh no...bitter haters don't get to watch the NFL hang the people they dislike by their testicles....call the police

God I can't wait for Tom Brady to retire and kill the myth of Belichick. If the guy's such a fucking genius, he would have drafted Brady in the first. And then he would have started him earlier.

Belichick is just another Shannahan.

Amnorix
09-26-2012, 04:35 PM
God I can't wait for Tom Brady to retire and kill the myth of Belichick. If the guy's such a fucking genius, he would have drafted Brady in the first. And then he would have started him earlier.

Belichick is just another Shannahan.


Don't think any coach can win in the post-2004 "rules emphasis" NFL with a mediocre/terrible QB.

Even before the pass-whacky modern NFL, just about every great coach had his great QB, by and large. Walsh drafted Joe Montana (and if he was such a fucking genius, he would have drafted Montana in the first), etc. ad infinitum.

A few coaches built their team a different way and had great success. Joe Gibbs won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs, mainly behind a great running game, great defenses and very good WRs, with a decent if not very good QB. He's the best example. The Jimmy Johnson Cowboys had stars everywhere, but as good as Aikman was, I don't think many put him in the top 5 or anything all time. That was a star-studded team.

But ever since 2002, the Super Bowl winner has been a Brady, Manning (Eli or Peyton), Brees, Roethlisberger or Rodgers.


BUT, BUT, BUT, as much credit as you have to give to Brady, you have to give to Belichick for a team that has been absolutely DOMINANT for 10 years now. 5 Super Bowl trips in 10 years, 10 straight years of >.500 football, 8 out of 10 (or something) AFC East championships, a near-undefeated season, etc. All kinds of records for very, very consistent success. Sure, a metric ton of credit for that goes to Brady, BUT the Patriots have led the way for being consistently great. Other than a bit of a dip as they had to retool their defense, they've been in the hunt in a very big way. Hell, last year's team, which missed winning the Super Bowl by about a minute, had something like only 4 guys who were with them for the last SB that they won in '04.

Haters gonna hate, and I know that, but all else being equal I'm definitely fine with BB as my coach.

WhiteWhale
09-26-2012, 04:46 PM
God I can't wait for Tom Brady to retire and kill the myth of Belichick. If the guy's such a ****ing genius, he would have drafted Brady in the first. And then he would have started him earlier.

Belichick is just another Shannahan.

So if it's all Brady and Hoodie is a hack I'm assuming you believe Brady to be, hands down, the best QB of all time.

Otherwise this doesn't really hold water.

FAX
09-26-2012, 05:06 PM
Mr. Amnorix is right. Brady is the rocket, but Belichick is the insane Nazi scientist the US blindfolded and quietly transported to the US after the war.

Belichick can game-plan with the best of them and, when he has the talent, he can dominate.

Still, 50k should buy you a ref kick in the nads.

FAX

milkman
09-26-2012, 05:18 PM
Think your hatred of all things Patriots is showing. He barely touched him, trying to get his attention. Not like he assaulted the guy...

I don't hate all things Patriots.

I'm pretty apathetic about them overall.

Bellichik was clearly angry, and he grabbed the ref's arm.

It was not an assault, but you simply can not allow that to take place, especially with these replacement officials.

A stronger message needed to be sent.

Brock
09-26-2012, 05:33 PM
At least Cassel's cockholsters have finally stopped showing up every time somebody pointed out he can't play very well.

qabbaan
09-26-2012, 05:36 PM
He should have been suspended a game for that, IMO.

ChiefRocka
09-26-2012, 05:41 PM
I don't hate all things Patriots.

I'm pretty apathetic about them overall.

Bellichik was clearly angry, and he grabbed the ref's arm.

It was not an assault, but you simply can not allow that to take place, especially with these replacement officials.

A stronger message needed to be sent.

I'm curious on your take of the spygate scandal. Do you believe they weren't the only ones doing it, simply the ones that got caught?

aturnis
09-26-2012, 05:50 PM
I don't think the grab would have been necessary if the ref hadn't been a dick and ignored him. After something like that, the ref should ALWAYS stop to clarify things if a coach wants them clarified.

O.city
09-26-2012, 05:54 PM
Once the final horn goes off, the official doesn't owe any one anything. Games over

Amnorix
09-26-2012, 06:04 PM
I don't hate all things Patriots.

I'm pretty apathetic about them overall.

Bellichik was clearly angry, and he grabbed the ref's arm.

It was not an assault, but you simply can not allow that to take place, especially with these replacement officials.

A stronger message needed to be sent.


I agree with the fine, and even if it had been 100K or more (given BB's salary in particular) I think that would be fine. Suspending a coach for a game is pretty drastic, and again has NEVER happened in NFL history prior to Payton. For basically touching a ref in a non-violent way for a half-second, that seems a bit over the top.

FAX
09-26-2012, 06:47 PM
I don't think the grab would have been necessary if the ref hadn't been a dick and ignored him. After something like that, the ref should ALWAYS stop to clarify things if a coach wants them clarified.

Very true, Mr. aturnis. Very true.

Unless said ref was uncomfortable responding because said ref had no idea what was going on either.

FAX

FAX
09-26-2012, 07:07 PM
Once the final horn goes off, the official doesn't owe any one anything. Games over

That's how I see it too, Mr. O.city.

When the clock ticks down, it's ref ass kicking time, baby.

FAX

hometeam
09-26-2012, 07:34 PM
The refs fucked up. BIGTIME! However, you cant set a precedent of letting guys get away with that.

petegz28
09-26-2012, 07:37 PM
Should have been suspended for a game. There is no excuse to grab a Ref the way he did. The only time I've seen a coach touch a Ref was when Cowher shoved a picture in the pocket of a Ref after a game when the Ref called 12 men on the Steelers.

displacedinMN
09-26-2012, 08:24 PM
watching the replay now.

What a mess

jspchief
09-26-2012, 08:29 PM
I don't think the grab would have been necessary if the ref hadn't been a dick and ignored him. After something like that, the ref should ALWAYS stop to clarify things if a coach wants them clarified.

No. Stopping to entertain his questions encourages the notion that the ref's calls are up for debate. Outside of the challenge system, calls aren't up for debate.

FAX
09-26-2012, 08:38 PM
No. Stopping to entertain his questions encourages the notion that the ref's calls are up for debate. Outside of the challenge system, calls aren't up for debate.

Refs do that all the time, though. They're always talking with the coaches to discuss situations and rationales for calls. It's not at all unusual.

Of course, after the conclusion of a game ... that might be a different story.

Still, Belichick deserved an answer to a question about reviewability of the last play. I see nothing wrong with that question. Not one bit.

FAX