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gblowfish
09-26-2012, 01:47 PM
Sprayed with suspected radioactive substances without their knowledge in the 1950s and 1960s. Story from KSDK in St. Louis is here:

http://tinyurl.com/92jntxj

Pitt Gorilla
09-26-2012, 04:51 PM
That sounds pretty horrible.

Baby Lee
09-26-2012, 05:09 PM
The structure of this story has a smell to it.

The secrecy and lack of assent is a legitimate issue.

Intimations of targeting poor and minority communities is specious and inflammatory.

Intimations that there are people who were probably injured by it is unfounded as well.

Finally, the fact that a large corporation that made some of the compound once made something completely unrelated that was found to have health effects is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=5739

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=5761&page=1

But yes,

That sounds pretty horrible.

Because that's how the 'journalist' wanted it to sound.

ETA: the statement about the purpose was to investigate the effect of the compound on residents lungs is nonsensical. If people don't know they're breathing something in., how would they know to report somewhere to have their lungs examined. What form would that examination even take?

Baby Lee
09-26-2012, 05:37 PM
Wow, ultimate irony that this comes up as I listen to the latest Radiolab.

Very different consequences, as people were actually, provably, harmed, but the show explores the precarious matter of deeming something 'fact.'

Echoes of BRC week long monologue about how he doesn't understand what's going on but boy is he pissed about it.

gblowfish
09-27-2012, 09:07 AM
More on this story from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Fascinating and scary stuff:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/researcher-to-discuss-military-testing-in-st-louis-in-the/article_c7be3f5c-c2df-5cc4-91eb-70386fb37250.html

Baby Lee
09-27-2012, 09:33 AM
More on this story from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Fascinating and scary stuff:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/researcher-to-discuss-military-testing-in-st-louis-in-the/article_c7be3f5c-c2df-5cc4-91eb-70386fb37250.html

What do you find scary.

gblowfish
09-27-2012, 09:39 AM
What do you find scary.

Oh, the part about the US Military using the population as guinea pigs for military and chemical testing without their knowledge or consent. You know, minor stuff like that.

Missouri Senator Blunt says "I'll have my guys check into it." Uh, yeah, sure he will....

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/340369/70/Sen-Blunt-releases-statement-about-I-Team-investigation

gblowfish
09-27-2012, 09:47 AM
Also btw, this kind of testing went on in other places besides St. Louis. This kind of unethical testing on the american citizenry has been suspected for a long time. Check this article from the NY Times from January 1994:

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/25/opinion/the-worry-germ-warfare-the-target-us.html

Baby Lee
09-27-2012, 09:58 AM
Oh, the part about the US Military using the population as guinea pigs for military and chemical testing without their knowledge or consent. You know, minor stuff like that.

Missouri Senator Blunt says "I'll have my guys check into it." Uh, yeah, sure he will....

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/340369/70/Sen-Blunt-releases-statement-about-I-Team-investigation

I do and did agree with the knowledge and consent part. But they weren't testing the population, they were testing the terrain.

BTW, I love love love how 'I admit I've pored over these documents with a fine toothed comb and have to admit that there is no evidence of radioactivity' makes it to air as 'what is less clear is whether there was a radioactive component.'