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Donger
09-27-2012, 08:35 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/27/opinion/bennett-dont-vote-for-obama/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


By William J. Bennett, CNN Contributor
updated 10:20 AM EDT, Thu September 27, 2012


(CNN) -- It has been said that a democratic republic such as ours is a do-it-yourself enterprise. People change the course of this country through conversation, debate and, eventually, consensus. As the 2012 elections near, these debates, particularly the upcoming presidential and vice presidential debates, take center stage.

In light of what has been a long and tumultuous political season, here are my strongest arguments for Mitt Romney, Rep. Paul Ryan, and fellow conservatives to explain to their fellow Americans why President Barack Obama does not deserve a second term.

Obama's handling of the economy: The U.S. is mired in the midst of the worst recovery since the Great Depression: 43 straight months of unemployment over 8%. The unemployment rate when Barack Obama took office was 7.8% and today it is 8.1%. Worse, the labor force is shrinking to record lows. People are giving up looking for work.

In August the labor force participation rate fell to 63.5%, its lowest level since September 1981. For men, the August participation rate in the labor force was 69.8%. That's the lowest ever on record. Furthermore, half of all recent college graduates are underemployed or unemployed.

Since Obama took office, median household income has declined more than $4,000. More people are on food stamps than ever before -- 46.7 million. The poverty rate is around 15%, unchanged since 1993. The average retail price of gasoline has more than doubled under Obama, rising from $1.84 per gallon to more than $3.80 per gallon. In spite of this, he stopped the approval of the Keystone pipeline for further review.

Obama inherited a bad economy, but his policies have made it even worse. The $800 billion stimulus package failed, according to the standards promised by an Obama administration economist. With Democrats in control of Congress, Obama then spent the next two years of his political capital on health care reform. Subsequently, the nation, mired in a debt crisis, underwent its first-ever credit downgrade. With our national debt exceeding $16 trillion, he has offered no credible plan for the nation's long term fiscal health. Our country is hurtling toward a fiscal cliff in January 2013.

Foreign policy: Obama ascended to the presidency promising a new era of American foreign policy. Apart from the killing of Osama bin Laden, the death of Moammar Gaddafi and and the successful expansion of drone strikes, the foreign policy record of this administration has largely been one of capitulation, indecision and weakness.

In the first true foreign policy test of his presidency, Obama failed to back the pro-democracy Green Revolution in Iran, saying he didn't want to "be seen as meddling." The uprising was crushed.

When the Arab Spring erupted, the president then decided to meddle in Egypt, calling for Hosni Mubarak to step down. Today, a country that was once a valuable Middle East ally is under the majority control of the Muslim Brotherhood. But when the Arab Spring spread to Syria, a longtime proxy of Iran, he didn't intervene, even when Bashar al-Assad began massacring his own people.

The president has given some of our enemies a pass and some of our allies the back of the hand. He was caught on open mic badmouthing Benjamin Netanyahu and hasn't visited Israel once in his presidency. He left our ally Poland out to dry by canceling the missile defense system in Europe, but was heard on an open mic assuring Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" after the election to deal with missile defense.

America's two most important investments in the Middle East -- Iraq and Afghanistan -- are hanging by a thread. Ignoring the recommendations of his generals, Obama pulled troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan prematurely.

Most recently, an American ambassador and three other Americans were killed in Libya. Yet, for nearly two weeks the administration blamed their deaths on a movie before finally admitting it was a terrorist attack, and took too long to make a forceful defense of the First Amendment.

Obamacare: President Obama's crowning legislative achievement, whether he likes to admit it or not, is Obamacare. Mitt Romney has promised to repeal the Affordable Care Act and he should make his argument with these reasons: First, Obamacare is not Romneycare. Romneycare was a state mandate; Obamacare was a federal mandate.

Second, Obamacare is terrible federal policy. It is a massive tax increase over the next 10 years that will fall largely on middle-class families; it steals more than $700 billion from Medicare to pay for the expanded coverage under ObamaCare; the unelected Independent Payment Advisory Board will ration and control Medicare costs and services without the say of doctors and patients; the Department of Health and Human Services is granted virtually unfettered powers, like the contraception mandate. Obamacare is bad policy. It was over 2,700 pages of complex rules and regulations passed behind closed doors with backroom deals -- exactly the opposite of what Obama promised when he campaigned in 2008.

The imperial presidency: Throughout his first term in office, the president has repeatedly ignored or gone around Congress and arrogated his own agenda through executive fiat.

He instituted his own version of the Dream Act; his administration granted waivers to welfare reform without the approval of Congress; he refused to help Arizona enforce its immigration laws; he ordered his Justice Department to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act in court; he gave states waivers to avoid No Child Left Behind requirements; he claimed executive privilege on Operation Fast and Furious to protect the faults of his Justice Department and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobbaco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF); and when the Senate refused to confirm his nominations to the National Labor Relations Board, he proclaimed the Senate was in recess and appointed them on his own. His own runaway EPA has waged regulatory war on coal plants resulting in the closure of six plants and possible closures of many more.

Broken promises: If you think I'm being too hard on the president, let's hold him to his own words and promises.

He promised to cut the deficit in half in his first term. He sought in Cairo in 2009 a "new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world." He promised to change the "tone" of Washington. His economic team promised that his $800 billion stimulus package would keep the unemployment rate under 8 percent. In 2008, he promised to tackle entitlement reform in his first term. Before Obamacare was passed Obama promised to "cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year" and that "If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan."

Americans realize the president has over-promised and under-delivered. The objective record, the multiple failures, and the unkept promises make a profound and fair case against the reelection of Barack Obama.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 09:04 AM
Who are these people who can vote for this guy again after so much failure? You'd think the spell would be broken by now (except maybe for the people voting exclusively on skin color).

In any event, I'm voting for Romney, the guy who isn't a verifiable failure.

Fish
09-27-2012, 09:08 AM
Who are these people who can vote for this guy again after so much failure? You'd think the spell would be broken by now (except maybe for the people voting exclusively on skin color).

In any event, I'm voting for Romney, the guy who isn't a verifiable failure.

I see many more people against Obama for that reason than for Obama...

patteeu
09-27-2012, 09:11 AM
I see many more people against Obama for that reason than for Obama...

No you don't.

Fish
09-27-2012, 09:13 AM
No you don't.

LMAO.... Well I guess if you say so.... cause you would know right?

patteeu
09-27-2012, 09:14 AM
LMAO.... Well I guess if you say so....

Thank you. You'd make a good wife. :)

BucEyedPea
09-27-2012, 09:23 AM
Americans tend toward voting for the peace candidate. Witness Wilson and FDR's promises, even if they were lying. Now, this sounds funny. Obama a "peace candidate?" He's been worse than Bush. However, relative to Mitt and his Bush advisors, Obama is that in a relative sense. Mitt's talking about going after Russia and China even—not just Iran. So the perception is that he is just by comparison.

Man, I hate John Roberts now. We'd be better off with 4 more years of Obama if the ACA were made unConstitutional because he'd be a lame duck. Enough time for more conservatives to clean up the Republican party for 2016. Roberts just had no spine to hold to his original conviction. He allowed the leftists on the Court and Obama to badger him and his image became more important.

La literatura
09-27-2012, 09:27 AM
That article could have been written by an 8th grader the night before his persuasive speech assignment was due.

RubberSponge
09-27-2012, 09:37 AM
All that and the republicans still can't field a candidate worth a fuck.

Donger
09-27-2012, 09:56 AM
That article could have been written by an 8th grader the night before his persuasive speech assignment was due.

You think it's simplistic or something?

patteeu
09-27-2012, 09:56 AM
That article could have been written by an 8th grader the night before his persuasive speech assignment was due.

Any 8th grader should be able to make a very convincing case for why people shouldn't vote for Obama. If they can't, our schools are in worse shape than I realized.

cosmo20002
09-27-2012, 10:03 AM
You think it's simplistic or something?

The logic and quality of the information is typical of an 8th grader. Also, anyone with more than an 8th-grade education would not actually find it persuasive.

Donger
09-27-2012, 10:05 AM
The logic and quality of the information is typical of an 8th grader. Also, anyone with more than an 8th-grade education would not actually find it persuasive.

Well, he is speaking to people considering voting for Obama.

KC native
09-27-2012, 10:10 AM
Ol' billy bennet is still around? ROFL

La literatura
09-27-2012, 10:13 AM
You think it's simplistic or something?

William Bennett does a great job at compiling moral stories for children. This article suggests he's now in a habit of simplicity. Of course, simplicity is most likely what CNN.com is aiming for.

La literatura
09-27-2012, 10:14 AM
Well, he is speaking to people considering voting for Obama.

That's what the title suggests. But if you read between the lines, you realize that he's speaking to Obama's critics for the past four years.

Donger
09-27-2012, 10:16 AM
That's what the title suggests. But if you read between the lines, you realize that he's speaking to Obama's critics for the past four years.

No, I don't realize that. Please explain.

La literatura
09-27-2012, 10:20 AM
No, I don't realize that. Please explain.

Sure. All of these arguments have been made elsewhere and with better analysis. This is like the Incomplete Idiot's Guide to Obama Criticism. The people who read this and agree with it are saying to themselves, "I've been saying this all along!" Hope that helps.

Donger
09-27-2012, 10:26 AM
Sure. All of these arguments have been made elsewhere and with better analysis. This is like the Incomplete Idiot's Guide to Obama Criticism. The people who read this and agree with it are saying to themselves, "I've been saying this all along!" Hope that helps.

No, that doesn't help, because it doesn't make any sense. It's written simply because the audience are Obama voters.

Although I doubt the cell phone lady would comprehend any of it.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 10:27 AM
Sure. All of these arguments have been made elsewhere and with better analysis. This is like the Incomplete Idiot's Guide to Obama Criticism. The people who read this and agree with it are saying to themselves, "I've been saying this all along!" Hope that helps.

He's compiled a summary of a broad range of reasons to vote against Obama. To comply with the word limit that a columnist must honor*, he necessarily has left out some of the deep analysis of each item that you must have in mind. This is the executive summary of the case against Obama, not the full blown, annotated and indexed analysis. The fact that this is a review of well-known criticisms that have been exhaustively discussed in the past isn't a knock against it. The point was to get it all together in one concise package that can fit in a column.

Edit: I'm not really sure whether there was a word limit here or not given that it's a CNN commentary and not a newspaper commentary.

La literatura
09-27-2012, 10:29 AM
No, that doesn't help, because it doesn't make any sense.

I'm sorry, I can't help you then.

La literatura
09-27-2012, 10:33 AM
He's compiled a summary of a broad range of reasons to vote against Obama. To comply with the word limit that a columnist must honor*, he necessarily has left out some of the deep analysis of each item that you must have in mind. This is the executive summary of the case against Obama, not the full blown, annotated and indexed analysis. The fact that this is a review of well-known criticisms that have been exhaustively discussed in the past isn't a knock against it. The point was to get it all together in one concise package that can fit in a column.

Edit: I'm not really sure whether there was a word limit here or not given that it's a CNN commentary and not a newspaper commentary.

Yes, you've said essentially the same things I've said. The only difference is I've gone a little further in arguing that this would not be persuasive to someone who was seriously considering Obama, but will instead reaffirm someone's view who was already against Obama.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 10:36 AM
Yes, you've said essentially the same things I've said. The only difference is I've gone a little further in arguing that this would not be persuasive to someone who was seriously considering Obama, but will instead reaffirm someone's view who was already against Obama.

I don't see why you think that's the case. Last minute deciders aren't likely to base their votes on thorough analysis and deep policy investigations. I think they're far more likely to base their votes on a general gut-level feel for the issues and the two men involved.

La literatura
09-27-2012, 10:42 AM
I don't see why you think that's the case. Last minute deciders aren't likely to base their votes on thorough analysis and deep policy investigations. I think they're far more likely to base their votes on a general gut-level feel for the issues and the two men involved.

That's how I feel about most staunch Democrat or Republican voters.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 10:52 AM
That's how I feel about most staunch Democrat or Republican voters.

That's probably true, but it doesn't change the fact that most people who are really going to base their votes on close scrutiny and deep analysis have already made up their mind by now (even if they might say that they reserve judgment until after the debates). Despite what the ronpauls and committed-cynics tell us, these candidates aren't similar enough to warrant much confusion, IMO.

CoMoChief
09-27-2012, 11:01 AM
Obama can win because there are a lot of people in this country that depend on the fed govt for income, and even more morons that actually believe his bullshit rhetoric/promises. There is no such thing as "free entitlements" because it has to be paid from someone/somewhere. Yet our federal govt has done a fantastic job of convincing the public they have the "right" to certain services.

There aren't too many "real" conservatives living off of govt. welfare programs...and there's an obivous reason for that. Long gone are the days where someone works hard and gets rewarded for it/and makes a living. Now people are taken care of by the state and they could care less as long as those checks keep coming in.

Roughly 50million are on food stamps...that's just sad and completely shows how god damn irresponsible people have gotten in this country...and it's their own damn fault and they think the state should be responsible for them, and not take responsibility for themselves.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 11:08 AM
Obama can win because there are a lot of people in this country that depend on the fed govt for income, and even more morons that actually believe his bullshit rhetoric/promises.

There aren't too many "real" conservatives living off of govt. welfare programs...and there's an obivous reason for that. Long gone are the days where someone works hard and gets rewarded for it/and makes a living. Now people are taken care of by the state and they could care less as long as those checks keep coming in.

Roughly 50million are on food stamps...that's just sad...and it's their own damn fault and they think the state should be responsible for them, and not take responsibility for themselves.

Not every person on food stamps is there by choice nor do they all think the state should be responsible for them. Have you ever taken a federally subsidized student loan, and if you did was it because you think the state should be responsible for you?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-27-2012, 11:11 AM
You shouldn't vote for O because he promised to pay for my gas/mortgage/bills and ain't done none of that.

CoMoChief
09-27-2012, 11:19 AM
Not every person on food stamps is there by choice nor do they all think the state should be responsible for them. Have you ever taken a federally subsidized student loan, and if you did was it because you think the state should be responsible for you?

A College education isn't a right my friend.

CoMoChief
09-27-2012, 11:23 AM
Not every person on food stamps is there by choice nor do they all think the state should be responsible for them. Have you ever taken a federally subsidized student loan, and if you did was it because you think the state should be responsible for you?

How is it not their choice? Are you talking about children? Well no shit....but their parents sure as hell had that choice and they obviously have made the wrong decisions in life.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 11:23 AM
A College education isn't a right my friend.

I didn't say it was. You didn't answer my question. Did you take any student loans?

patteeu
09-27-2012, 11:26 AM
How is it not their choice? Are you talking about children? Well no shit....but their parents sure as hell had that choice and they obviously have made the wrong decisions in life.

In most cases, I think you're right. My objection was with your over-generalization. Some people on food stamps are there because a bread winning spouse has died unexpectedly, for example. I guess you can fault them for not preparing for that eventuality by either having an immediately marketable skill or by carrying life insurance on the now-dead spouse, but to the extent that a single parent struck by such a calamity uses the food stamp program as a temporary safety net while they get themselves back on their feet, I think it's overly harsh to suggest that they aren't interested in being responsible for themselves.

Mr. Kotter
09-27-2012, 11:30 AM
... Last minute deciders aren't likely to base their votes on thorough analysis and deep policy investigations. I think they're far more likely to base their votes on a general gut-level feel for the issues and the two men involved.

And that's why, precisely, Romney is in big trouble. The GOP appears to have blown a golden opportunity.

CoMoChief
09-27-2012, 12:02 PM
I didn't say it was. You didn't answer my question. Did you take any student loans?

personally I got grants from my indian tribe, parents paid for some stuff too if my grades were good enough, and books and other expenses i had a summer job and paid for it myself.

i understand that some people don't have that kind of resources...but tough shit....college isn't for everyone, nor should it be a right.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 12:49 PM
personally I got grants from my indian tribe, parents paid for some stuff too if my grades were good enough, and books and other expenses i had a summer job and paid for it myself.

i understand that some people don't have that kind of resources...but tough shit....college isn't for everyone, nor should it be a right.

So you're freeloading off of your indian tribe? Why not take personal responsibility for yourself instead of expecting your tribe to take care of you? See what I did there?

Seraphim
09-27-2012, 12:50 PM
Yeah, if I find out any of my Facebook friends vote for Obama AGAIN, I will immeditely unfriend them. But the man makes good points. Broken promises are broken promises. Funny that the opposition joke about its simplicity yet they can't necessarily refute it.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 12:51 PM
And that's why, precisely, Romney is in big trouble. The GOP appears to have blown a golden opportunity.

Kotter analysis is as bankable as confederate cash.

Mr. Kotter
09-27-2012, 12:55 PM
Kotter analysis is as bankable as confederate cash.

And what will you say the day after the election, if I'm right?

patteeu
09-27-2012, 01:03 PM
And what will you say the day after the election, if I'm right?

That you should drink less because it's bad for your liver.

Seraphim
09-27-2012, 01:15 PM
And what will you say the day after the election, if I'm right?

Lol you had a 50% chance of being right just like everyone else who makes predictions on this election. Doesn't make you special or intelligent. And you and your loved ones are boned along with the rest of the country. That's what he'll say.

CoMoChief
09-27-2012, 01:30 PM
In most cases, I think you're right. My objection was with your over-generalization. Some people on food stamps are there because a bread winning spouse has died unexpectedly, for example. I guess you can fault them for not preparing for that eventuality by either having an immediately marketable skill or by carrying life insurance on the now-dead spouse, but to the extent that a single parent struck by such a calamity uses the food stamp program as a temporary safety net while they get themselves back on their feet, I think it's overly harsh to suggest that they aren't interested in being responsible for themselves.

Yeah that sucks....and you and I both know that's a fine minute example and most of the people receiving food stamps aren't getting them because of that. The situation you brought up is a sucky situation, but even still I don't think I'm required to pay my tax dollars because someone else's life hit an obstacle. Sorry. Life sucks sometimes and it goes on. Most are getting them because some ignortant woman got pregnant from some deadbeat asshole loser, who's ran off or is locked up in prison somewhere. That's entirely her fault.

CoMoChief
09-27-2012, 01:43 PM
So you're freeloading off of your indian tribe? Why not take personal responsibility for yourself instead of expecting your tribe to take care of you? See what I did there?

Yeah i did, except that you're wrong.

The grants I get from my tribe are profits they make and have no bearing on US taxpayers.

patteeu
09-27-2012, 02:13 PM
Yeah i did, except that you're wrong.

The grants I get from my tribe are profits they make and have no bearing on US taxpayers.

That doesn't make me wrong. I didn't say anything about taxpayers.