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Rain Man
10-01-2012, 12:46 AM
Here's the drill. We have 64 quarterbacks. It will be a one on one matchup, one-game playoff system, with the loser out and the winner going to the next round. You get to pick which quarterback you get on your team for that game, and the other one is your opponent. In each matchup, which quarterback do you pick? Assume that you will get them at the peak of their career.

How I picked the quarterbacks

I took the top 50 QBs in history based on career yardage
I took any QB who is in the Hall of Fame and is in the top 250 in yardage.
I needed two more QBs to fill out the field, so I took the #51 and #52 guys in terms of career yardage.

The fact that defense is illegal now means that the list overweights modern quarterbacks heavily, but to be honest our voting is going to do that, too, just due to exposure. Not sure how to fix that, so screw it.

Also, in looking at the list, I think we have pretty much any significant quarterback on the list. If I was going to add any more, the next guys on my list would be Jim Plunkett, Joe Theisman, Archie Manning, and Bernie Kosar, so if you don't think those guys would win it, you don't have a leg to stand on.

All matchups are random, and if you complain about it you will be escorted to the door.

SNR
10-01-2012, 12:49 AM
Here's to John Elway getting booted out in the first round

Rain Man
10-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Here's to John Elway getting booted out in the first round

I'll check to see if he's in the top 50 anywhere. He was pretty mediocre.

Kyle DeLexus
10-01-2012, 01:01 AM
Geno Smith

Rain Man
10-01-2012, 01:05 AM
My thoughts:

Game 1: It's hard to pick against George vs. Gannon. One has all the tools except a brain, and the other has a brain and no other tools. This one was close. I'll give it to Gannon just because he's less likely to quit and give up.

Game 2: I think Brad Johnson is a very underrated quarterback, but hey, Arnie Herber threw to Don Hutson. Gotta go with Arnie on this one since he was a better deep passer. It's very close, though.

Game 3: Chandler vs. Hasselbeck. Never been a huge Hasselbeck fan, and Chandler was very effective if you could keep him upright. For one game I'll go with Chandler and hold my breath.

Game 4: Cunningham by a mile. I never figured out why Testaverde was on the league for so long, and Cunningham was a superhero.

Game 5: It's nice to see Jim Kelly get pounded into the turf by an immortal. Unitas kills him and eats his black little heart.

Game 6: I think Staubach easily wins this one. Hadl played a long time, but I don't remember him ever being a top quarterback. Plus, I had a football card of him as a child, and he was all bald and stodgy looking, unlike Roger the Dodger.

Game 7: Green destroys Kitna both in passing and lead blocking.

Game 8: What a painful one. I like Steve DeBerg. He had that finger pin thing and he handed off to Okoye. I like all of those things. I despised Blanda. He was evil and terrible. But in a one-game playoff I have to pick Blanda.

SNR
10-01-2012, 01:27 AM
I know Arnie Herber in today's game likely wouldn't be much of a player, but back in the 30s the guy rattled off championships like it was no big deal.

For each of these, I'm probably going to make an attempt at being more fair to the old QBs than the new ones just because the nature of the game they played back then demands it. I'm also going to resolve to look up the names of guys I don't know before simply voting for the other guy due to name recognition.

I mean, I like to think I know a thing or two about NFL history, but there will always be names that escape me.

Rain Man
10-01-2012, 01:45 AM
I know Arnie Herber in today's game likely wouldn't be much of a player, but back in the 30s the guy rattled off championships like it was no big deal.

For each of these, I'm probably going to make an attempt at being more fair to the old QBs than the new ones just because the nature of the game they played back then demands it. I'm also going to resolve to look up the names of guys I don't know before simply voting for the other guy due to name recognition.

I mean, I like to think I know a thing or two about NFL history, but there will always be names that escape me.


Excellent post, and I resolve to do the same.

Some of those old-timers were pretty darn good, especially when you compare them to their peers in the same era. For example, Herber won four championships during his 11 years, so he had to be pretty good for a long time.

cdcox
10-01-2012, 01:52 AM
People shouldn't be voting for George Blanda over Steve Deberg. Blanda threw 42 interceptions in a 14 game season. That was during the 4 year prime stretch of his career. Outside of those 4 years, he was nothing. Deberg cracked 3400 yards for three different teams in 3 different decades. Vote Deberg.

Count Alex's Wins
10-01-2012, 02:00 AM
Jeff George was a better QB than Rich Gannon.

George could have been awesome if he had played in the right environment with proper coaching and talent.

BigMeatballDave
10-01-2012, 02:09 AM
Jeff George was a better QB than Rich Gannon.

George could have been awesome if he had played in the right environment with proper coaching and talent.

Physically, yes.

Mentally, he was worse than Grbac.

Fishpicker
10-01-2012, 09:54 AM
I had to look up arnie herber. I still wouldn't pick him now.

Gannon, Johnson, Chandler, Cunningham, Unitas, Staubach, Green, Deberg

Esiason or Krieg?

cdcox
10-01-2012, 12:37 PM
Bump - need more votes against Blanda.

SNR
10-01-2012, 01:04 PM
I had to look up arnie herber. I still wouldn't pick him now.

Gannon, Johnson, Chandler, Cunningham, Unitas, Staubach, Green, Deberg

Esiason or Krieg?

Chris Chandler? Hasselbeck matched him in terms of Super Bowl appearances (and actually came dangerously close to winning his), and enjoyed far more regular season success throughout his career. Chandler was a career backup for most of his time.

vailpass
10-01-2012, 01:06 PM
Here's to John Elway getting booted out in the first round

I'll check to see if he's in the top 50 anywhere. He was pretty mediocre.



I love you guys.
Can we just skip ahead and do an Elway vs. Montana vote with Montana crushing big John in a biased land slide?

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-01-2012, 01:19 PM
I love you guys.
Can we just skip ahead and do an Elway vs. Montana vote with Montana crushing big John in a biased land slide?

Been there, done that. LMAO

SNR
10-01-2012, 01:25 PM
I love you guys.
Can we just skip ahead and do an Elway vs. Montana vote with Montana crushing big John in a biased land slide?

Montana's BACKUP crushed Elway in a Super Bowl.

You bet Montana is a better QB.

SNR
10-01-2012, 01:27 PM
John Elway is Rich Gannon with a stronger arm and horse teeth. If it weren't for his elite defense and legendary offensive line, Elway would be up there with Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton who just couldn't get it done

vailpass
10-01-2012, 01:33 PM
LMAO

Discuss Thrower
10-01-2012, 01:34 PM
People shouldn't be voting for George Blanda over Steve Deberg. Blanda threw 42 interceptions in a 14 game season. That was during the 4 year prime stretch of his career. Outside of those 4 years, he was nothing. Deberg cracked 3400 yards for three different teams in 3 different decades. Vote Deberg.

I do what I want, bitch.

Rain Man
10-01-2012, 10:17 PM
Okay, moving on will be Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, Matt Hasselback, Randall Cunningham, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Trent Green, and unfortunately George Blanda.

Congrats to Trent on pitching a shutout.

KC Tattoo
10-01-2012, 10:23 PM
Jeff George was a better QB than Rich Gannon.

George could have been awesome if he had played in the right environment with proper coaching and talent.

/ Fatlock

KC Tattoo
10-01-2012, 10:25 PM
Okay, moving on will be Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, Matt Hasselback, Randall Cunningham, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Trent Green, and unfortunately George Blanda.

Congrats to Trent on pitching a shutout.


How the hell did Steve Deberg not win this round? Shennanigans

patteeu
10-01-2012, 11:19 PM
I'll cast a vote even though the poll is over.

Game 1: I was a big fan of Rich Gannon, but I picked Jeff George. While there's a Gannon/Grbac controversy in Chiefs history, I really believe the best chance the Chiefs had during that era to win a playoff game and have a shot at a title would have been if Carl had signed Jeff George instead of Elvis Grbac in 1997. George went on to have a great year in Oakland while Grbac sabatoged the Chiefs for four years and then decided to force his way out just when he seemed to finally be turning into a serviceable starter.

Game 2: I never heard of Arnie Herber so I voted unenthusiastically for Brad Johnson.

Game 3: Chris Chandler was injury prone, but he was great when he played. Hasselbeck has a hot sister-in-law, but I'm sticking with Chandler.

Game 4: Cunningham is one of my all time favorites.

Game 5: Johnny Unitas has one of the coolest names ever and he was a pretty good QB too. Jim Kelly had a tough draw here.

Game 6: I never really liked Staubach when he was playing (because he was a Cowboy), but I remember him pulling out several late victories with bombs and I love it when QBs do that kind of thing.

Game 7: Trent Green had heart and he led the most entertaining Chiefs offense that I can remember.

Game 8: Steve DeBerg's main attribute is that Hall of Fame QBs seemed to follow him wherever he went. I voted for Blanda though because it's always useful to have a kicker who can throw a decent spiral on a fake FG.

Predarat
10-03-2012, 08:06 AM
Hasselback looked like cAssHoleback the other day. But overall > Chandler.

Omaha
10-03-2012, 10:53 AM
Mark Castle?

Garcia Bronco
10-03-2012, 11:42 AM
Seriously?

Trent Green vs Jon Kitna?

Is this gonna be another stupid show in philly fix by this group?


and Unitas vs Kelly? That's a Super Bowl matchup in the context of these polls.