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dallaschiefsfan
10-01-2012, 08:17 AM
Discuss :D

dallaschiefsfan
10-01-2012, 08:18 AM
In case it's not clear...they're talking about consultant that only reports to Clark and gives him straight talk on what's happening and not happening to make the org better.

LOCOChief
10-01-2012, 08:20 AM
In case it's not clear...they're talking about consultant that only reports to Clark and gives him straight talk on what's happening and not happening to make the org better.

Yes. Never happen though.

Ace Gunner
10-01-2012, 08:21 AM
you mean bring in marty with a vest bomb. good idea.

ChiTown
10-01-2012, 08:22 AM
In case it's not clear...they're talking about consultant that only reports to Clark and gives him straight talk on what's happening and not happening to make the org better.

Just bring in a GM that isn't a fucking retard. That would be a huge help right there. I'm sick of Pioli. Crennel is waaaaaay in over his head, and Cassel as a QB is a gawdamn disaster. Enough already. Get rid of Pioli and get a GM in here that knows wtf he is doing.

Hog Farmer
10-01-2012, 08:24 AM
I'd bring in Marty as the D coordinator. With this talent he would shut teams down ! Make Romeo the D line coach and bring back Vermiel to run the Offense

dallaschiefsfan
10-01-2012, 08:27 AM
Just bring in a GM that isn't a ****ing retard. That would be a huge help right there. I'm sick of Pioli. Crennel is waaaaaay in over his head, and Cassel as a QB is a gawdamn disaster. Enough already. Get rid of Pioli and get a GM in here that knows wtf he is doing.

Of course. But this is a "mid season band-aid" idea, if I'm hearing him correctly. It salvages the season and repairs some of the fan-damage. It also gets obvious decisions moving that should have been made long ago. After the season is over, you fire Pioli and reset the deck.

jspchief
10-01-2012, 08:29 AM
Marty in any role is better than this current shit stain. Put him in at QB for all I care.

jspchief
10-01-2012, 08:30 AM
... It salvages the season and repairs some of the fan-damage.

No. Nothing positive come from salvaging this season.

suds79
10-01-2012, 08:31 AM
Screw that. This team doesn't need a consultant.

They need a new GM who will draft good players, higher the right coaches and pick the right QB in the 1st next year.

Boom. Problem solved.

Count Alex's Wins
10-01-2012, 08:31 AM
Maas is a fucking mouthbreather.

We need the guy Scott Pioli was supposed to be.

ChiTown
10-01-2012, 08:33 AM
Of course. But this is a "mid season band-aid" idea, if I'm hearing him correctly. It salvages the season and repairs some of the fan-damage. It also gets obvious decisions moving that should have been made long ago. After the season is over, you fire Pioli and reset the deck.

I don't want to salvage this season. Salvaging this shit house just allows the brain trust to keep pumping their BS into a losing proposition. I want this fucking thing to implode. I want Pioli to be fully exposed for the dimwit that he is, and Cassel to finish out what could be a marvelous disaster of a season. I want it to be so fucking clear that this is an AIDS infested sack of crap, that they have no choice but to hit the nuke button and start over..

Deberg_1990
10-01-2012, 08:34 AM
Why does Maas still have a voice and why do people listen to it? Shouldnt he be in jail somewhere?

dallaschiefsfan
10-01-2012, 08:38 AM
I don't want to salvage this season. Salvaging this shit house just allows the brain trust to keep pumping their BS into a losing proposition. I want this ****ing thing to implode. I want Pioli to be fully exposed for the dimwit that he is, and Cassel to finish out what could be a marvelous disaster of a season. I want it to be so ****ing clear that this is an AIDS infested sack of crap, that they have no choice but to hit the nuke button and start over..

Don't disagree. But Maas is a football player and media talking-head now. He just hates watching the losing and covering a losing team. It's like the players. Not a SINGLE one of them would agree with us on tanking the season. Some might play like their dialing it in...but very few of them could swallow the idea of playing for draft picks or playing like junk to expose Pioli. If a consultant is hired, that's basically saying that this GM is on the clock and will undoubtedly achieve the results we're after - a new GM, coach and QB.

KCUnited
10-01-2012, 08:39 AM
Why does Maas still have a voice and why do people listen to it? Shouldnt he be in jail somewhere?

Maas' takes and "insider" info are typically garbage, but he is employed by Metro Sports and he does a really good job of breaking down the tape and highlighting the fail of individual players. It's really the only televised coverage in KC that breaks down individual plays, highlights individual players and showcases who is really ****ing up and who looks somewhat adequate.

notorious
10-01-2012, 08:40 AM
:facepalm:

ILChief
10-01-2012, 08:45 AM
No

Dayze
10-01-2012, 09:02 AM
if the Chiefs defense can hold teams to under 17, and the Chiefs offesnse can run for 250 and have a TOP of 3:1, and our defense force 3 turnovers in their redzone.....Cassel can take us to the promise land.

kgrund
10-01-2012, 09:15 AM
Why does Maas still have a voice and why do people listen to it? Shouldnt he be in jail somewhere?

He likely knows a shit load more about football than you. He is actually one of the few local guys I listen extra close to. He knows what he is talking about.

bringbackmarty
10-01-2012, 09:16 AM
As much as I absolutely loved marty for his defense and his running game, I fail to see how his input could help this team. We need someone who is skilled at evaluating qb's. He's not that guy. I don't think of him as a shrewd evaluator of other positions either. Maybe he had some success drafting LB, DL, CB. Still that's less than five players.

Predarat
10-01-2012, 09:19 AM
Bring him in as the regular season coach, but hire a 'Playoff Cordinator' and send Marty on a paid vacation during the playoffs.

Deberg_1990
10-01-2012, 09:21 AM
He likely knows a shit load more about football than you. He is actually one of the few local guys I listen extra close to. He knows what he is talking about.

The only think Maas has a wealth of info about is Blow and Guns.

notorious
10-01-2012, 09:22 AM
He likely knows a shit load more about football than you. He is actually one of the few local guys I listen extra close to. He knows what he is talking about.

Tim Grunhard?

dallaschiefsfan
10-01-2012, 09:26 AM
As much as I absolutely loved marty for his defense and his running game, I fail to see how his input could help this team. We need someone who is skilled at evaluating qb's. He's not that guy. I don't think of him as a shrewd evaluator of other positions either. Maybe he had some success drafting LB, DL, CB. Still that's less than five players.

I'm not sure that you understand what Maas is suggesting. He said hire Marty as a consultant that reports directly to Clark and analyzes what's going wrong with the organization. That evaluation would result in what we all know - Pioli is out of his league and is a "system GM".

Any GM that Clark would replace Pioli with would choose the coach and they would presumably find a QB. I can't imagine a consultant would have anything to do with evaluating and choosing a QB. Despite the vitriol for Marty that some have, Marty IS a leader that men listen to and he's well known, respected and liked in the NFL world.

More importantly, Clark apparently has an affinity for Marty and will LISTEN TO HIM...whereas Clark will NOT listen to us. Do you really think Marty would come to a different conclusion than we have? Same result...I could care less who gets credit. I just want Pioli gone.

Saccopoo
10-01-2012, 09:32 AM
As much as I absolutely loved marty for his defense and his running game, I fail to see how his input could help this team. We need someone who is skilled at evaluating qb's. He's not that guy. I don't think of him as a shrewd evaluator of other positions either. Maybe he had some success drafting LB, DL, CB. Still that's less than five players.

Marty wins because he instills a fundamental winning football mindset into his players. Quickly.

If I was starting over with a franchise and wanted it to get competitive as quickly as possible, Marty would be #1 on my list.

Marty most likely would have several Super Bowl rings with several teams if not for bad breaks by players that were simply beyond his control. (Or in the case of San Diego, a psycho control freak GM.)

I wouldn't mind Marty as Director of Football Operations (or similar "consulting" position) one bit.

After the end of this perfect season.

One and Fifteeno for Geno.

Hydrae
10-01-2012, 09:36 AM
I have been surprised by the lack of on-the-field leadership with this team. Pioli made a point of drafting team captain types but I don't see them on Sunday. I see no one with passion and fire getting in people's faces to fire them up also. This leads to slow starts, never leading a game all season except the final score in NO, and just a lackluster attitude from the team. Charles' big runs seems to get them fired up but we need someone who will get these players excited to play each week at the start of the game.

Chiefnj2
10-01-2012, 09:38 AM
Clark doesn't need a damn consultant to tell him what's wrong. Stevie Wonder can see what is wrong with this team. Years of poor drafting, poor coaching and players who don't care.

Winston played like Richardson yesterday. Berry played like Piscatelli. Moeaki is useless. And what might be the most telling, Cassel has regressed. I didn't think it was humanly possible for a QB to get worse than Cassel in 2011. But, hell he's done it this year. He can't even dump off the ball accurately. It's amazing how bad every single facet of the game is.

gblowfish
10-01-2012, 09:41 AM
Please, let's not talk about Marty again. He couldn't win when he was here before, what makes anybody think anything would be different a second time? Move on from Marty, go after somebody else: Gruden, Cowher, Hell, Tom Osborne, whoever....but no Marty re-runs.

Count Alex's Wins
10-01-2012, 09:41 AM
Haley got more out of Cassel in 2011 than Daboll is this year.

KCTitus
10-01-2012, 09:43 AM
Marty wins because he instills a fundamental winning football mindset into his players. Quickly.

If I was starting over with a franchise and wanted it to get competitive as quickly as possible, Marty would be #1 on my list.

I shall remember to thank the Lord that you have no ability to make this awful decision on this franchise.

Marty most likely would have several Super Bowl rings with several teams if not for bad breaks by players that were simply beyond his control. (Or in the case of San Diego, a psycho control freak GM.)

:facepalm:

Saccopoo
10-01-2012, 09:46 AM
Clark doesn't need a damn consultant to tell him what's wrong. Stevie Wonder can see what is wrong with this team. Years of poor drafting, poor coaching and players who don't care.

Winston played like Richardson yesterday. Berry played like Piscatelli. Moeaki is useless. And what might be the most telling, Cassel has regressed. I didn't think it was humanly possible for a QB to get worse than Cassel in 2011. But, hell he's done it this year. He can't even dump off the ball accurately. It's amazing how bad every single facet of the game is.

That's coaching my friend.

When you take Pro Bowl level players (and Winston and Berry are Pro Bowl level players) and get substandard production and execution from them, it's all about coaching.

Leadership and coaching.

Instilling winning football.

It's still really, really important.

Chiefnj2
10-01-2012, 09:49 AM
There is no accountability because there's no depth. Nobody is worried they will lose their job because they know there is a guy who couldn't make the CFL sitting behind them.

Saccopoo
10-01-2012, 09:51 AM
I shall remember to thank the Lord that you have no ability to make this awful decision on this franchise.



:facepalm:

So, I'll assume that you are happy with Pioli, Crennel and Cassel?

I'm not talking about coaching. That time has passed for Herr Shottenheimer. I'm agreeing with Maas that Marty does know a thing or two about football, winning football, and would be effective in a consultant type role as he has ties to the organization and the Hunts the last time this franchise had any sort or relevancy.

It's about instilling a certain mindset from the top down.

But if you are happy with the path that this franchise is on, then you, good sir, are entitled to that opinion.

Chiefnj2
10-01-2012, 09:54 AM
So, I'll assume that you are happy with Pioli, Crennel and Cassel?

I'm not talking about coaching. That time has passed for Herr Shottenheimer. I'm agreeing with Maas that Marty does know a thing or two about football, winning football, and would be effective in a consultant type role as he has ties to the organization and the Hunts the last time this franchise had any sort or relevancy.

It's about instilling a certain mindset from the top down.

But if you are happy with the path that this franchise is on, then you, good sir, are entitled to that opinion.

Typical Saccopoo "logic". If someone doesn't like a past proven failure then they must like the current failure.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-01-2012, 09:54 AM
I've never been a big fan of the Coach/GM/personnel director thing but if it gets rid of these idiots then please bring in Cowher/back Marty/etc....

KCTitus
10-01-2012, 09:55 AM
So, I'll assume that you are happy with Pioli, Crennel and Cassel?

I'm not talking about coaching. That time has passed for Herr Shottenheimer. I'm agreeing with Maas that Marty does know a thing or two about football, winning football, and would be effective in a consultant type role as he has ties to the organization and the Hunts the last time this franchise had any sort or relevancy.

It's about instilling a certain mindset from the top down.

But if you are happy with the path that this franchise is on, then you, good sir, are entitled to that opinion.

Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

KCUnited
10-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Watching this offense, I figured Marty was already on board.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

Given the track record, I would have zero faith Clark would bring in anyone greater than Pioli/Steadman.

dallaschiefsfan
10-01-2012, 09:59 AM
Clark doesn't need a damn consultant to tell him what's wrong. Stevie Wonder can see what is wrong with this team. Years of poor drafting, poor coaching and players who don't care.

Uhhh...apparently he DOES. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. If Clark needs someone to hold his hand and it gets the results we all want...then please...by all means...hire Marty to "consult" and tell Clark what needs to be done.

htismaqe
10-01-2012, 10:00 AM
There is no accountability because there's no depth. Nobody is worried they will lose their job because they know there is a guy who couldn't make the CFL sitting behind them.

It wouldn 't matter if there was depth. Romeo isn't gonna bench anybody. They might not like him anymore if he did that.

Chiefnj2
10-01-2012, 10:05 AM
It wouldn 't matter if there was depth. Romeo isn't gonna bench anybody. They might not like him anymore if he did that.

Romeo doesn't have a choice. Seriously there really aren't any moves that are going to help this team this year. You could plug in Quinn for Cassel, but let's face it, Quinn sucks. Maybe not as much as Cassel, but he still sucks.

Dave Lane
10-01-2012, 10:06 AM
if the Chiefs defense can hold teams to under 17, and the Chiefs offesnse can run for 250 and have a TOP of 3:1, and our defense force 3 turnovers in their redzone.....Cassel can take us to the promise land.

You forgot to add and doesn't attempt any passes...

htismaqe
10-01-2012, 10:07 AM
Romeo doesn't have a choice. Seriously there really aren't any moves that are going to help this team this year. You could plug in Quinn for Cassel, but let's face it, Quinn sucks. Maybe not as much as Cassel, but he still sucks.

I'm not talking about the QB position. I'm talking about the other 21 guys on the field.

All of this talk about competition at every position is a sham.

Dave Lane
10-01-2012, 10:10 AM
Romeo doesn't have a choice. Seriously there really aren't any moves that are going to help this team this year. You could plug in Quinn for Cassel, but let's face it, Quinn sucks. Maybe not as much as Cassel, but he still sucks.

Personally I'd like to find out but also like to find out if Stanzi has anything that he can possibly offer down the road. It's time to throw him in whether or not he sucks.

PRIEST
10-01-2012, 10:14 AM
Funny I asked Marty this when he was signing my book . Well I said the Chiefs should

be looking for a new GM he just laughed . Should have asked why he was wearing blue

though.

Saccopoo
10-01-2012, 10:16 AM
Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

All I'm saying is that they players respected him and played hard under him. It's obvious that they aren't doing that now.

I don't like the nepotism that Marty seems to demand at this stage of his career and that would definitely worry me. But Marty did get clubs to compete quickly when they were floundering before his arrival.

Personally, I'm all for burning this sucker right to the ground and getting a fresh start. After we go 1-15.

Chiefnj2
10-01-2012, 10:19 AM
All I'm saying is that they players respected him and played hard under him. It's obvious that they aren't doing that now.

I don't like the nepotism that Marty seems to demand at this stage of his career and that would definitely worry me. But Marty did get clubs to compete quickly when they were floundering before his arrival.

Personally, I'm all for burning this sucker right to the ground and getting a fresh start. After we go 1-15.

8-8 isn't the goal.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-01-2012, 10:22 AM
Wasn't Marty the one that consulted with Clark on the Pioli hiring? That worked out.

dallaschiefsfan
10-01-2012, 10:31 AM
Wasn't Marty the one that consulted with Clark on the Pioli hiring? That worked out.

link? This is the first I've ever heard of this.

Saccopoo
10-01-2012, 10:39 AM
8-8 isn't the goal.

No, it is not.

But the Giants reached the "goal" with a 9-7 record going into the playoffs last season.

You gotta get there to give yourself a chance.

farmerchief
10-01-2012, 10:46 AM
Personally I'd like to find out but also like to find out if Stanzi has anything that he can possibly offer down the road. It's time to throw him in whether or not he sucks.
Exactly!:thumb:

Pestilence
10-01-2012, 10:49 AM
I'm rooting for losses the rest of the season. I'll be happy when Charles puts up numbers for my fantasy team.....but that's fucking it.

Raiderhader
10-01-2012, 11:04 AM
I'm not sure that you understand what Maas is suggesting. He said hire Marty as a consultant that reports directly to Clark and analyzes what's going wrong with the organization. That evaluation would result in what we all know - Pioli is out of his league and is a "system GM".

Any GM that Clark would replace Pioli with would choose the coach and they would presumably find a QB. I can't imagine a consultant would have anything to do with evaluating and choosing a QB. Despite the vitriol for Marty that some have, Marty IS a leader that men listen to and he's well known, respected and liked in the NFL world.

More importantly, Clark apparently has an affinity for Marty and will LISTEN TO HIM...whereas Clark will NOT listen to us. Do you really think Marty would come to a different conclusion than we have? Same result...I could care less who gets credit. I just want Pioli gone.


Until he sleeps with one of his player's girlfriends.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-01-2012, 11:17 AM
Maas once again proving that brain cells are overrated.

Count Alex's Wins
10-01-2012, 11:25 AM
Until he sleeps with one of his player's girlfriends.

How do you know he didn't use that as a motivational tool?

"You better god damn perform, or I'll fuck your girlfriend."

The secret to Marty's success.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 11:34 AM
I'm not sure that you understand what Maas is suggesting. He said hire Marty as a consultant that reports directly to Clark and analyzes what's going wrong with the organization.

Marty was brought in as a consultant after Carl Peterson was fired, which led to the hiring of Scott Pioli.

No thanks.

Oh, and Maas is a fucking idiot.

Raiderhader
10-01-2012, 11:35 AM
How do you know he didn't use that as a motivational tool?

"You better god damn perform, or I'll **** your girlfriend."

The secret to Marty's success.


He stepped down after that season.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 12:03 PM
Personally I'd like to find out but also like to find out if Stanzi has anything that he can possibly offer down the road. It's time to throw him in whether or not he sucks.

Dude, Stanzi sucks ass.

htismaqe
10-01-2012, 12:05 PM
Marty was brought in as a consultant after Carl Peterson was fired, which led to the hiring of Scott Pioli.

No thanks.

Oh, and Maas is a ****ing idiot.

Exactly.

The Chiefs are following Marty's blueprint to the letter. Build a good defense, run the ball, and trot out a mediocre QB. They're just not as good at it as he was.

We already know what the ceiling is on Martyball. No fucking thanks.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-01-2012, 12:05 PM
Dude, Stanzi sucks ass.

Yep.

Geno or Death. There is no middle ground.

Guru
10-01-2012, 12:09 PM
Yep.

Geno or Death. There is no middle ground.

Wake up man. It will never happen.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-01-2012, 12:12 PM
Wake up man. It will never happen.

Sir, you can live in reality if you please. As for me and my shitty franchise, I'm going to Fantasy Land!

Dayze
10-01-2012, 12:12 PM
Geno would be there at our pick, or within reach, and the Chiefs will pass on him.

yet, there will still be thousands of season ticker holders, and the place will be full of fans, clinging on to 'hope'.
Chiefs will never draft a QB in the 1st. Never. it's too risky.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-01-2012, 12:14 PM
Geno would be there at our pick, or within reach, and the Chiefs will pass on him.

yet, there will still be thousands of season ticker holders, and the place will be full of fans, clinging on to 'hope'.
Chiefs will never draft a QB in the 1st. Never. it's too risky.

If we stick with Cassel, I'm taking all the Chiefs shit off my car, putting my jerseys in the closet, and having nothing to do with this franchise except to laugh at their failures until Peeholi is dead and/or gone.

ChiefsCountry
10-01-2012, 12:15 PM
Can we have Marty coach the team in the regular season and somebody else in the postseason? :)

notorious
10-01-2012, 12:15 PM
If we stick with Cassel, I'm taking all the Chiefs shit off my car, putting my jerseys in the closet, and having nothing to do with this franchise except to laugh at their failures until Peeholi is dead and/or gone.

You aren't doing this already?


Damn you have some staying power.

Bump
10-01-2012, 12:16 PM
fuck that.


I want Geno Smith damnit.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-01-2012, 12:18 PM
You aren't doing this already?


Damn you have some staying power.

LMAO

Dayze
10-01-2012, 12:20 PM
If we stick with Cassel, I'm taking all the Chiefs shit off my car, putting my jerseys in the closet, and having nothing to do with this franchise except to laugh at their failures until Peeholi is dead and/or gone.

I'd make my butt prolapse, then jump into a lake hoping to sink to the bottom.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-01-2012, 12:21 PM
I'd make my butt prolapse, then jump into a lake hoping to sink to the bottom.

LMAO

durtyrute
10-01-2012, 12:24 PM
Personally I'd like to find out but also like to find out if Stanzi has anything that he can possibly offer down the road. It's time to throw him in whether or not he sucks.

I've been saying this all along. We already know what Cassel is and can be. We might as well try Stanzi or Quinn for the rest of the year. I would prefer Stanzi but it doesn't matter as long as it's not Cassel. What is the point of having more than one QB if you are never going to play them even if your QB is the shittiest starter in the league.

saphojunkie
10-02-2012, 07:00 PM
I feel the need to clarify this thread.

Maas actually said that CLARK should bring in Marty as a consultant JUST TO HIM. Not a consultant to the franchise for drafting or scouting or coaching.

Just a football guy who can give him a straight opinion without worrying about his job. His take is that Marty has a tremendous amount of respect for KC, the Hunts, and the Chiefs, and would give Clark the most honest opinion he can about what's going on with his franchise.

It wasn't like "Fire Pioli and bring in Marty to run the show!!"

KCTitus
10-02-2012, 07:02 PM
I feel the need to clarify this thread.

Maas actually said that CLARK should bring in Marty as a consultant JUST TO HIM. Not a consultant to the franchise for drafting or scouting or coaching.

Just a football guy who can give him a straight opinion without worrying about his job. His take is that Marty has a tremendous amount of respect for KC, the Hunts, and the Chiefs, and would give Clark the most honest opinion he can about what's going on with his franchise.

It wasn't like "Fire Pioli and bring in Marty to run the show!!"

Marty already infected this franchise once...I dont care for another dose, thank you.

Demonpenz
10-02-2012, 07:11 PM
I listen to his podcast about how to bring a handcun and coke to an airport. Highly informative.

Simply Red
10-02-2012, 07:26 PM
Felony Drug Charge. Yeah, i'm listening to this guy...LMAO

Simply Red
10-02-2012, 07:27 PM
I listen to his podcast about how to bring a handcun and coke to an airport. Highly informative.

:LOL::banghead:

Beat me to it.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 07:28 PM
You know, I think I would welcome Marty. For most of my 40+ year tenure as a Chiefs fan, Marty comes about as close as anyone to having an era where the Chiefs established their own identity. The team, city, and entire fan base was energized under Marty.

I also think Marty knows from his days in San Diego that having an ass hat that meddles in the decision making of coaching a football team is detrimental to that said team. I really believe he would persuade Clark to move on from Pioli... which IMO is the first domino that needs to fall. Maybe even over Cassel... and I think everyone here is aware of my dislike for watching Cassel QB my football team.

I'm not real sure which direction Marty would push upon Clark, but I suspect it could be along the lines of Cowher... which would be fine with me, because for me, what Bill Cowher brings to the table is what I think KC football is all about.

Fuck this. Marty already consulted Hunt. That's how the Chiefs ended up with Pioli.

And fuck Cowher. He's been out of the game since 2006. That's a long time.

Coogs
10-02-2012, 07:31 PM
Fuck this. Marty already consulted Hunt. That's how the Chiefs ended up with Pioli.

And fuck Cowher. He's been out of the game since 2006. That's a long time.

If Marty suggested this fucking regime to Clark, then I agree... and disregard my post for being a total dumbass!

KC Tattoo
10-02-2012, 07:32 PM
Clark Hunt wouldn't need a cosnultant if he read Chiefs Planet :)



Oh and Marty is fucking OLD anyone see a picture of him lately?

BossChief
10-02-2012, 07:35 PM
Cowher would bring an attacking 3-4 defense that would allow us to get the most out of the talent we have on defense. He would also push HARD for a first round quarterback after getting his success with Big Ben.

My concerns with him would be if he still has the fire in his belly to be the yelling, cursing, spitting demanding leader he was with Pitrsburgh or if he has matured as a tv face and wouldn't be able to regain the same frame of mind he had as a hc....the other concern is if he choses the wrong qb.

He held on forever with Kordell Stuart and I'm afraid we might get another wasted speak of time with a similar player like we have been through with Cassel.


He he still has that fire, he is a guy that players always responded to and played hard for every week.

el borracho
10-02-2012, 07:37 PM
Discuss :D

There is no point to this plan. If you think your GM needs that much help, then you need to fire him immediately.

el borracho
10-02-2012, 07:41 PM
I have been surprised by the lack of on-the-field leadership with this team. Pioli made a point of drafting team captain types but I don't see them on Sunday. I see no one with passion and fire getting in people's faces to fire them up also. This leads to slow starts, never leading a game all season except the final score in NO, and just a lackluster attitude from the team. Charles' big runs seems to get them fired up but we need someone who will get these players excited to play each week at the start of the game.

If you are looking for someone to get the players fired up, then you do not want a bunch of boy scouts like Cassel- you actually want a talented loud-mouth with an aggressive streak like Ray Lewis.

BossChief
10-02-2012, 07:44 PM
Get this team a quarterback and it will cure 80% of it's problems.

el borracho
10-02-2012, 07:46 PM
Weak sauce...it's not an either/or option and silly to make such a ludicrous logical jump.

The Marty years were a mirage, go back and watch the games -- many of them KC had no business winning were never in the game and pulled out a miracle KO/Punt return, etc. Pffft...it's a waste of time to argue about Marty.

He's a proven loser. Just leave him be.

Marty did poorly in the playoffs, that is true. And one can argue all day long whether that was his fault or circumstance. But... Marty is not a "loser." IIRC, Marty had one of the best winning percentages of active coaches while he was here and that figure probably improved in San Diego.

Mojo Jojo
10-02-2012, 07:49 PM
**** this. Marty already consulted Hunt. That's how the Chiefs ended up with Pioli.

And **** Cowher. He's been out of the game since 2006. That's a long time.
Not as long as Dick Vermeil, and he came back and won a Super Bowl with a team that the worst in the NFL when he took over. Your logic is flawed.

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 07:50 PM
Marty did poorly in the playoffs, that is true. And one can argue all day long whether that was his fault or circumstance. But... Marty is not a "loser." IIRC, Marty had one of the best winning percentages of active coaches while he was here and that figure probably improved in San Diego.

Marty is considered to be one of the best fundamentals/technical coaches to ever coached the game. His teams play with perfect technique and an unbelievable amount of discipline.

It's just too bad he just can't win in the playoffs. But if you blend Marty's coaching with someone else calling the shots, that would be one hell of a thing.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 07:51 PM
Not as long as Dick Vermeil, and he came back and won a Super Bowl with a team that the worst in the NFL when he took over. Your logic is flawed.

And you're a fucking idiot.

Rausch
10-02-2012, 07:53 PM
So we should hire someone so Clark can find out what the fuck is going on in his own organization?

Seriously?

No wonder this team is a fucking joke...

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 07:56 PM
Marty is considered to be one of the best fundamentals/technical coaches to ever coached the game.

By whom?

If he was so great, why hasn't he been hired by an NFL in ANY capacity since being fired in San Diego?

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 07:58 PM
So we should hire someone so Clark can find out what the **** is going on in his own organization?

Seriously?

No wonder this team is a ****ing joke...

I don't see a problem with this if it means dismantling Pioli's fucked up regime, and Marty consulting on both a General Manager he'd gladly work for as a head coach, and helping out in interviewing the next head coach.

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 08:00 PM
By whom?

If he was so great, why hasn't he been hired by an NFL in ANY capacity since being fired in San Diego?

Because he can't win in the playoffs and because I believe he wants control over personnel, which nobody wants to give him (nor should they).

It doesn't take away from the fact that in terms of coaching football players, he is one hell of a coach.

KCDC
10-02-2012, 08:04 PM
A consultant is fine, but Marty is a coach of a bygone era best left bygone. The NFL is different today. The good news is that any consultant would tell Clark that there is no leadership. He would report the following:

1) The QB needs to be replaced.
2) No back up QBs appear to have any talent as a starter and should be released.
3) RAC is a nice old man who motivates players by being a nice old man from a bygone era when defenses were designed to stop the run. He is not HC material.
4) Brian Daboll has passion, but little talent. He has yet to figure out how to orchestrate an offense that ranks above 29th in the league. The Chiefs have offensive personnel that should rank much higher. We should find a better OC.
5) The "ACL 3" have underperformed this year. Berry is looking like an average safety, Moeki is playing like Jake O'Connell. JC is still playing well though not with the same speed he had pre-ACL injury. The current OC believes in running him often and between the tackles until he is broken like Larry Johnson.
6) Eric Winston is eating too much Oklahoma Joe's BBQ and needs to improve.
7) The defensive line is not the most important position in the NFL anymore. Tom Dimitrioff learned that you use your first round picks to select impact players (e.g. QB and WR)
8) Pioli should get a scolding that he should learn what every other Bellicheck Tree coach has proven ... they are nothing without Tom Brady. Most coaches going to the Hall of Fame get there because they had a HoF QB. The Patriot Way is: No name defense + an adequate offense + Tom Brady = Superbowl. Take away Tom Brady and you have a team like the chiefs.

I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control.

Brock
10-02-2012, 08:06 PM
LMAO It wouldn't surprise me if they did make a run at Marty. "Hey guys, we tried something new and it didn't work. Let's get back to what we know works!"

Rausch
10-02-2012, 08:08 PM
LMAO It wouldn't surprise me if they did make a run at Marty. "Hey guys, we tried something new and it didn't work. Let's get back to what we know works!"

We could hire Girlbac as QB coach!

Coogs
10-02-2012, 08:11 PM
I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control.

Really? What has he done drafting that sets him apart from the rest?

And that is a serious question or two.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 08:13 PM
A consultant is fine, but Marty is a coach of a bygone era best left bygone. The NFL is different today. The good news is that any consultant would tell Clark that there is no leadership. He would report the following:

1) The QB needs to be replaced.
2) No back up QBs appear to have any talent as a starter and should be released.
3) RAC is a nice old man who motivates players by being a nice old man from a bygone era when defenses were designed to stop the run. He is not HC material.
4) Brian Daboll has passion, but little talent. He has yet to figure out how to orchestrate an offense that ranks above 29th in the league. The Chiefs have offensive personnel that should rank much higher. We should find a better OC.
5) The "ACL 3" have underperformed this year. Berry is looking like an average safety, Moeki is playing like Jake O'Connell. JC is still playing well though not with the same speed he had pre-ACL injury. The current OC believes in running him often and between the tackles until he is broken like Larry Johnson.
6) Eric Winston is eating too much Oklahoma Joe's BBQ and needs to improve.
7) The defensive line is not the most important position in the NFL anymore. Tom Dimitrioff learned that you use your first round picks to select impact players (e.g. QB and WR)
8) Pioli should get a scolding that he should learn what every other Bellicheck Tree coach has proven ... they are nothing without Tom Brady. Most coaches going to the Hall of Fame get there because they had a HoF QB. The Patriot Way is: No name defense + an adequate offense + Tom Brady = Superbowl. Take away Tom Brady and you have a team like the chiefs.

I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control.

:Lin:

What a bunch of fucking nonsense.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 08:14 PM
We could hire Girlbac as QB coach!

Grbac and Gannon

Raiderhader
10-02-2012, 08:18 PM
Some times I feel hypocritical for insulting other fan bases based on their lack of intelligence.

FAX
10-02-2012, 08:24 PM
A consultant is fine, but Marty is a coach of a bygone era best left bygone. The NFL is different today. The good news is that any consultant would tell Clark that there is no leadership. He would report the following:

1) The QB needs to be replaced. Very true and well said, Mr. KCDC.

2) No back up QBs appear to have any talent as a starter and should be released. Probably. Although, it might be a good idea to see Stanzi play a couple of snaps with the first stringers before we permanently can him. They say that it takes time for most quarterbacks to make the transition to the NFL.

3) RAC is a nice old man who motivates players by being a nice old man from a bygone era when defenses were designed to stop the run. He is not HC material. He is round, too. Very round.

4) Brian Daboll has passion, but little talent. He has yet to figure out how to orchestrate an offense that ranks above 29th in the league. The Chiefs have offensive personnel that should rank much higher. We should find a better OC. After Al Saunders, the very idea of Daboll functioning as the Chiefs OC is an insult to all fans of the red and gold everywhere.

5) The "ACL 3" have underperformed this year. Berry is looking like an average safety, Moeki is playing like Jake O'Connell. JC is still playing well though not with the same speed he had pre-ACL injury. The current OC believes in running him often and between the tackles until he is broken like Larry Johnson. I don't know if Jamaal's straight line speed has been affected much. I do, however, wonder about his ability to cut with confidence. As for Moeaki and Berry, yeah ... there are issues, I fear.

6) Eric Winston is eating too much Oklahoma Joe's BBQ and needs to improve. Don't we all? But life is for learning. And we are stardust, we are golden and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden because vegetables are good for you so long as you're also getting approximately 60 grams of quality protein each day.

7) The defensive line is not the most important position in the NFL anymore. Tom Dimitrioff learned that you use your first round picks to select impact players (e.g. QB and WR) Tell that to the Giants. Then run away.

8) Pioli should get a scolding that he should learn what every other Bellicheck Tree coach has proven ... they are nothing without Tom Brady. Most coaches going to the Hall of Fame get there because they had a HoF QB. The Patriot Way is: No name defense + an adequate offense + Tom Brady = Superbowl. Take away Tom Brady and you have a team like the chiefs. Truer words have not been spoken, although I think they might be a tad worse than the Chiefs (which should always be capitalized in this context). We have talented players in key positions. They are, unfortunately, poorly coached at this point and it shows.

I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control. A GM who is paid 5 million dollars a year and who has won the Executive Of The Year Golden Hand Vac Award 19 years running should not require a consultant to tell him what to do. A guy like that should be able to recruit, hire, train, and retain an highly effective staff of professionals who can accomplish impressive goals in reasonable time frames.

FAX

Rausch
10-02-2012, 08:30 PM
Some times I feel hypocritical for insulting other fan bases based on their lack of intelligence.

At some point it's our fault.

It's like we're the husband on Boogie Nights and the Chiefs are our wife banging 6 guys in the driveway...:facepalm:

whoman69
10-02-2012, 08:31 PM
They need something. I would be afraid that Marty's first suggestion is for him to take over as coach/GM.

KCDC
10-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Really? What has he done drafting that sets him apart from the rest?

And that is a serious question or two.

His first year draft was horrid. After that, he did well. Look at the grades given him by the pundits after each draft. We all felt good seeing independent analysts giving us A- drafts while other clubs got Cs.

He avoided the Jimmy Clausen hype and took Berry and McCluster. The latter has his detractors but he is a perfect receiver for Captain Checkdown Cassel. Arenas was a good pick and would be even more valuable if they blitzed him more. He was a star blitzer in college. Getting Stanzi and K. Lewis in the 5th and Powe in the 6th were brilliant at the time.

Trading back to get Baldwin and then using the extra 3rd round pick to get Houston was superb. Bailey has yet to pan out but I think he will be a good one. Jeff Allen will prove to be a good pick. Stephenson might have been a reach but we needed all the help we could get on the line to help Cassel not panic as much and to prepare for B. Albert's potential departure.

All in all, a fine job of drafting the past three years. With 20-20 hindsight he could have done better, but anyone could.

He blew it in the Cassel trade now that we have the ability to see him for what he is. But, he could have traded a bunch of picks to move up to take Sanchez and crippled our team with a Cassel-quality QB and far fewer picks. He could have burned a first rounder on Jimmy Clausen, only to learn that Stanzi's fail is better.

Frazod
10-02-2012, 08:56 PM
They need something. I would be afraid that Marty's first suggestion is for him to take over as coach/GM.

Sadly, he would be an improvement on both counts.

Coogs
10-02-2012, 09:06 PM
His first year draft was horrid. After that, he did well. Look at the grades given him by the pundits after each draft. We all felt good seeing independent analysts giving us A- drafts while other clubs got Cs.

He avoided the Jimmy Clausen hype and took Berry and McCluster. The latter has his detractors but he is a perfect receiver for Captain Checkdown Cassel. Arenas was a good pick and would be even more valuable if they blitzed him more. He was a star blitzer in college. Getting Stanzi and K. Lewis in the 5th and Powe in the 6th were brilliant at the time.

Trading back to get Baldwin and then using the extra 3rd round pick to get Houston was superb. Bailey has yet to pan out but I think he will be a good one. Jeff Allen will prove to be a good pick. Stephenson might have been a reach but we needed all the help we could get on the line to help Cassel not panic as much and to prepare for B. Albert's potential departure.

All in all, a fine job of drafting the past three years. With 20-20 hindsight he could have done better, but anyone could.

He blew it in the Cassel trade now that we have the ability to see him for what he is. But, he could have traded a bunch of picks to move up to take Sanchez and crippled our team with a Cassel-quality QB and far fewer picks. He could have burned a first rounder on Jimmy Clausen, only to learn that Stanzi's fail is better.

So you really have nothing then. There is not one thing here that any GM couldn't have done.

His best pick was Berry, and that one fell in his lap.

The Baldwin/Houston deal, Cleveland called and made an offer... their early 3rd for a trade back of a few spots in the late 1st...so he took it. Not a shrude move that any other GM couldn't have pulled off. And he got lucky that Houston fell due to issues.

KCDC
10-02-2012, 09:17 PM
So you really have nothing then. There is not one thing here that any GM couldn't have done.

His best pick was Berry, and that one fell in his lap.

The Baldwin/Houston deal, Cleveland called and made an offer... their early 3rd for a trade back of a few spots in the late 1st...so he took it. Not a shrude move that any other GM couldn't have pulled off. And he got lucky that Houston fell due to issues.

Any GM can have good picks and trades, that is true. Pioli is no Superman to reinvent the draft. My point is that if you compared Pioli's drafts to those of other GMs in the same period, he would stack up favorably.

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 09:21 PM
So you really have nothing then. There is not one thing here that any GM couldn't have done.

His best pick was Berry, and that one fell in his lap.

The Baldwin/Houston deal, Cleveland called and made an offer... their early 3rd for a trade back of a few spots in the late 1st...so he took it. Not a shrude move that any other GM couldn't have pulled off. And he got lucky that Houston fell due to issues.

Well, you have to look at what he was given. This team had zero bench depth and over half of our starters aren't even in the league anymore. They were that bad. He took over that roster and actually rounded it out quite nicely, and he did it without spending very much money. You don't have to bring in a ton of superstars to build a good roster.

Again, he has built a mostly good team and sabotaged it with unbelievably arrogant decisions around the coaching and the quarterback. Behind a good coach and a good QB, this team is very good. Which is a lot more than you can say for the team we had in 2009.

Coogs
10-02-2012, 09:22 PM
Any GM can have good picks and trades, that is true. Pioli is no Superman to reinvent the draft. My point is that if you compared Pioli's drafts to those of other GMs in the same period, he would stack up favorably.

Jury is still out. None of his picks have really turned into anything special... yet! A couple do show promise, but from 4 years of draft picks you would hope more than a couple would stand out. Best players are still arguably holdovers from the previous regime.

boogblaster
10-02-2012, 09:25 PM
yup

Coogs
10-02-2012, 09:29 PM
Well, you have to look at what he was given. This team had zero bench depth and over half of our starters aren't even in the league anymore. They were that bad. He took over that roster and actually rounded it out quite nicely, and he did it without spending very much money. You don't have to bring in a ton of superstars to build a good roster.

Again, he has built a mostly good team and sabotaged it with unbelievably arrogant decisions around the coaching and the quarterback. Behind a good coach and a good QB, this team is very good. Which is a lot more than you can say for the team we had in 2009.

You have noticed we are getting our asses handed to us in each of the 4 games this season. Down by 24, 32, 18 (Still not sure how we managed to beat the Saints), and 21. I'd like to think we have a good roster outside of Cassel... but to be honest I am not real sure.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 09:31 PM
Any GM can have good picks and trades, that is true. Pioli is no Superman to reinvent the draft. My point is that if you compared Pioli's drafts to those of other GMs in the same period, he would stack up favorably.

Bullshit.

The Chiefs passed up massive talent in favor of gadget players like McCluster and Arenas, oft-injured players like Moeaki (over Gronk, Graham and Hernandez) and his 2009 draft was a fucking abortion.

You're clueless.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 09:34 PM
Jury is still out. None of his picks have really turned into anything special... yet! A couple do show promise, but from 4 years of draft picks you would hope more than a couple would stand out. Best players are still arguably holdovers from the previous regime.

The jury is NOT out.

McCluster, Arena and Moeaki were all bad selections. The 2009 draft was pathetic. 2011, outside of Houston and a rarely used Bailey has been just as bad as 2009. And 2012's draft has failed to yield any sort of game changer.

Pioli has sucked ass. You'd think there would be an abundance of talent on this roster, especially given that he's selected 3rd, 5th and 11th three drafts and in every round, but he hasn't done dick.

He blows.

Rausch
10-02-2012, 09:35 PM
My point is that if you compared Pioli's drafts to those of other GMs in the same period, he would stack up favorably.

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/4/23/C7IO9cj7MEi1jwHSS3R_hQ2.gif

No...

BossChief
10-02-2012, 09:36 PM
Bullshit.

The Chiefs passed up massive talent in favor of gadget players like McCluster and Arenas, oft-injured players like Moeaki (over Gronk, Graham and Hernandez) and his 2009 draft was a fucking abortion.

You're clueless.

He has been an above average drafter.

His fatal flaw was that he didn't think he would need to draft a quarterback as part of that plan.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 09:39 PM
He has been an above average drafter.

His fatal flaw was that he didn't think he would need to draft a quarterback as part of that plan.

No, he hasn't.

2009 was utterly worthless. In 2010, while he got lucky that Berry was sitting there, he passed on Daryl Washington, Sean Lee, Lindval Joseph, Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez and more.

2011 doesn't look much better. While Houston was a steal in the third, Baldwin's been invisible, Hudson's out with a broken leg and didn't look that good this year, Jalil Brown is a dope, so on and so forth.

He's been maybe average at best but IMO, far less than average. And who the fuck pays a guy $5 million per to be average?

Coogs
10-02-2012, 09:40 PM
The jury is NOT out.

McCluster, Arena and Moeaki were all bad selections. The 2009 draft was pathetic. 2011, outside of Houston and a rarely used Bailey has been just as bad as 2009. And 2012's draft has failed to yield any sort of game changer.

Pioli has sucked ass. You'd think there would be an abundance of talent on this roster, especially given that he's selected 3rd, 5th and 11th three drafts and in every round, but he hasn't done dick.

He blows.

I was trying to be kind.

FAX
10-02-2012, 09:41 PM
... You'd think there would be an abundance of talent on this roster, especially given that he's selected 3rd, 5th and 11th three drafts and in every round ...

That's the key, right there.

We've had pretty high selections each year and we've picked like we're playing blind craps. When you look at the "draft" quality of our defensive front 7, we should be dominating ... not domino-ing.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 09:45 PM
That's the key, right there.

We've had pretty high selections each year and we've picked like we're playing blind craps. When you look at the "draft" quality of our defensive front 7, we should be dominating ... not domino-ing.

FAX

Had Pioli taken Washington and Joseph (let alone, offensive gems like Hernandez or Graham), this defense would be much further along. Instead, we're stuck with a tiny receiver that makes 3 yard catches and a returner.

Bewbies
10-02-2012, 09:58 PM
If Pioli was hitting on draft picks we wouldn't get our ass kicked every week. I'd classify this as a self evident fact.

ChiefsCountry
10-02-2012, 10:13 PM
He blew it in the Cassel trade now that we have the ability to see him for what he is. But, he could have traded a bunch of picks to move up to take Sanchez and crippled our team with a Cassel-quality QB and far fewer picks.

Umm Sanchez was available on the clock when we picked in 2009. No need to trade and Cassel crippled the team by taking away a second round choice that could have been used on somebody useful.

KCDC
10-02-2012, 10:13 PM
No, he hasn't.

2009 was utterly worthless. In 2010, while he got lucky that Berry was sitting there, he passed on Daryl Washington, Sean Lee, Lindval Joseph, Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez and more.

2011 doesn't look much better. While Houston was a steal in the third, Baldwin's been invisible, Hudson's out with a broken leg and didn't look that good this year, Jalil Brown is a dope, so on and so forth.

He's been maybe average at best but IMO, far less than average. And who the **** pays a guy $5 million per to be average?

We can always find better picks when we look back at a draft and have the benefit of hindsight.

I can remember all too well the conversations on this board pleading for the likes of Sanchez, Clausen, Aaron Curry, Jason Smith, Sergio Kindle, Eugene Monroe, etc. etc. They all were busts (except for Sanchez who will be a back up in a year or two and out of the league in five years, like Cassel). You may have supported some of those potential picks or similar busts if you are honest.

It is easy to seem like a genius when you can go back in time knowing what you do now and point out who was available at the pick. I'm trying to be fair, which is not a popular position to be in on CP, at times.

KCDC
10-02-2012, 10:15 PM
Umm Sanchez was available on the clock when we picked in 2009. No need to trade and Cassel crippled the team by taking away a second round choice that could have been used on somebody useful.

Ah, I stand corrected. I was thinking of what other GMs might have done, and did, that was ill-advised.

BossChief
10-02-2012, 10:18 PM
A really good draft gets you 2 quality starters and maybe another average starter.

2009 was a dumpster fire...no question.

2010 got us a handful of good players

Berry is currently dealing with a speed bump after a rookie season that ended with him starting in the probowl
Arenas is a solid nickel
Asamoah is a good guard
Lewis has also had injuries effect his impact...when he plays, he is a solid safety for a 5th rounder

I'm not gonna slam the guy by cherry picking guys that might have been better picks...getting 4 or 5 average to above average starters out of one draft is very good.

2011 netted us a lot of talent, too.

Hudson was off to a good start and was grading out pretty well.
Baldwin is a pick that has immense potential, but Cassel makes him look just average at best.
Houston is a total beast.
Brown is a corner and those take time...he is becoming quite a good special teamer in the meantime, though.
Powe might just be better than Cody would have been from the second round of 2010.

Those two drafts should be credited to Phil Emery...not Pioli. They were good enough for him to get a GM spot in Chicago.

In fact, milkman and I both said the 2011 draft has just as much (if not more) potential than the 2008 class and I stand by that.

I'm not a fan of the 2012 draft...but at least it got us some good line prosoects.

BossChief
10-02-2012, 10:25 PM
Had Pioli taken Washington and Joseph (let alone, offensive gems like Hernandez or Graham), this defense would be much further along. Instead, we're stuck with a tiny receiver that makes 3 yard catches and a returner.

Arenas had the third highest average on returns last year behind Peterson and Hester and is a good nickel.

Could we have done better? Yeah, probably...but let's try to be fair and not expect them to make the perfect pick with every selection. That's totally unrealistic.

I hated the Dexter pick, but the guy has been productive and has the best combination of hands and route running of any of our receivers and is tough as fuck for such a little guy.

I absolutely think he will be VERY productive once we get a qb in here.

Look, I know this year has been beyond disappointing, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Arenas had the third highest average on returns last year behind Peterson and Hester and is a good nickel.

Big fucking deal. How many touchdowns did he score? Is he a capable starter?

When you're traded for a HOFer, it's always going to be a tough road but he fucking sucks. No one would notice if he were cut tomorrow.

Could we have done better? Yeah, probably...but let's try to be fair and not expect them to make the perfect pick with every selection. That's totally unrealistic.

Probably? Are you fucking kidding me? I'd Jason Worilds, Carlos Dunlap, Terrence Cody, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Golden Tate and Brandon Spikes over Arenas. And that's just guys that went in the second round!

I hated the Dexter pick, but the guy has been productive and has the best combination of hands and route running of any of our receivers and is tough as fuck for such a little guy.

Productive? Yeah, he's been productive but at the expense of Steve Breaston, the tight ends (you name them), Jon Baldwin and of course, Dwayne Bowe.

Without McCluster (who was overdrafted by at least 3 rounds), Cassel would have totally fucking sucked in 2010 and wouldn't be here in 2012.

I absolutely think he will be VERY productive once we get a qb in here.

He'll be an afterthought, as he should be.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 10:36 PM
A really good draft gets you 2 quality starters and maybe another average starter.


Tell that to the Super Bowl winning 2007 New York Giants. Now, tell me that they'd even BE in that game without Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc. and so on.

Pioli is paid $5 MILLION PER YEAR. He's SUPPOSED to be BETTER than EVERYONE ELSE IN THE NFL.

He's not. He's a fucking oxygen thief stealing Chiefs fans money and worse, TIME!

Fuck him.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 10:45 PM
We can always find better picks when we look back at a draft and have the benefit of hindsight.

What the fuck?

Hey, Douchelord, there were people in this forum that had better Mock Drafts than Pioli in each and every year.

I know you're a n00b and all but that doesn't mean you get carte blanche for saying stupid fucking shit.

I can remember all too well the conversations on this board pleading for the likes of Sanchez, Clausen, Aaron Curry, Jason Smith, Sergio Kindle, Eugene Monroe, etc. etc. They all were busts (except for Sanchez who will be a back up in a year or two and out of the league in five years, like Cassel). You may have supported some of those potential picks or similar busts if you are honest.

What the FUCK are you talking about?

Why don't you stop talking out of your ass, Motherfucker, and sit back and learn.

Or use the goddamned search function, Idiot.

It is easy to seem like a genius when you can go back in time knowing what you do now and point out who was available at the pick. I'm trying to be fair, which is not a popular position to be in on CP, at times.

Oh, just go fuck yourself.

Psyko Tek
10-02-2012, 10:48 PM
Discuss :D

link please

Count Alex's Wins
10-02-2012, 10:51 PM
Arenas had the third highest average on returns last year behind Peterson and Hester and is a good nickel.


Arenas sucks fucking horse cock as a cornerback.

He got toasted in New Orleans on a deep ball, got toasted against the Chargers for a TD.

Read it and weep.

http://i.imgur.com/Pf11X.jpg

Add Arenas to the pile of Pioli fail! And he only played 17 snaps last week. Great use of a high pick.

Psyko Tek
10-02-2012, 10:53 PM
[QUOTE=Chiefnj2;8966351]Clark doesn't need a damn consultant to tell him what's wrong. Stevie Wonder can see what is wrong with this team. Years of poor drafting, poor coaching and players who don't care.

Winston played like Richardson yesterday. Berry played like Piscatelli. Moeaki is useless. And what might be the most telling, Cassel has regressed. I didn't think it was humanly possible for a QB to get worse than Cassel in 2011. But, hell he's done it this year. He can't even dump off the ball accurately. It's amazing how bad every single facet of the game is


hey fuck you colquitt is money
and that is the best thing we got

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 10:53 PM
Add Arenas to the pile of Pioli fail! And he only played 17 snaps last week. Great use of a high pick.

The worst part is that he passed on some great players at NEED positions.

Fucking Pioli. I hate him more today than in 2009. And that's saying a lot.

crazycoffey
10-02-2012, 10:56 PM
Seriously, how much different is this team than two years ago? Minus haley and wiess. Which of those two should still be here?

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 10:58 PM
Seriously, how much different is this team than two years ago? Minus haley and wiess. Which of those two should still be here?

Neither

crazycoffey
10-02-2012, 11:01 PM
me

FYP

FAX
10-02-2012, 11:18 PM
Tell that to the Super Bowl winning 2007 New York Giants. Now, tell me that they'd even BE in that game without Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc. and so on.

Pioli is paid $5 MILLION PER YEAR. He's SUPPOSED to be BETTER than EVERYONE ELSE IN THE NFL.

He's not. He's a ****ing oxygen thief stealing Chiefs fans money and worse, TIME!

**** him.

That is exactly the point. Pioli isn't supposed to be guessing at this stage of his career and, to be brutally frank, that's exactly what his draft strategies appear to be ... guesswork.

Or ... and this is even scarier ... he's drafting outliers in order to make himself appear to be a genius ... making head-scratching picks at strange positions that nobody saw coming. The problem is that, in the meantime, we are passing up highly athletic, talented, contributing players at (as stated) positions of need while selecting what can only be described as either gadget or developmental players with really high picks.

And, the way I look at it, we suffered greatly for those damn picks and they need to be used wisely.

Chiefs fans tend to develop a sort of fondness or affinity or infatuation with players ... guys like Jackson or McDervish or Arenas or Moeaki ... but the fact is that we haven't yet seen the kind of draft that Pioli is being paid to deliver. And that, as they say in Belize, is the inside-out river snake on this deal.

FAX

BossChief
10-02-2012, 11:21 PM
Arenas sucks fucking horse cock as a cornerback.

He got toasted in New Orleans on a deep ball, got toasted against the Chargers for a TD.

Read it and weep.

http://i.imgur.com/Pf11X.jpg

Add Arenas to the pile of Pioli fail! And he only played 17 snaps last week. Great use of a high pick.

You can't even tell how that's sorted. How about sorting it by coverage?

Also, he is rated about the same as Carlos Rodgers, who is pretty good.

I would also EXPECT our corners not to be rated extremely high with such a small sample size of 4 games and having faced 3 franchise quarterbacks in those 4 games.

Count Alex's Wins
10-02-2012, 11:33 PM
It's sorted by overall player rating. His coverage rating bumps him up to 50.

He sucks dude. Accept it.

He's a decent punt returner who can't break the big play, and a very pedestrian nickel who has 0 ability to start.

failpick

BossChief
10-02-2012, 11:34 PM
Tell that to the Super Bowl winning 2007 New York Giants. Now, tell me that they'd even BE in that game without Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc. and so on.

Pioli is paid $5 MILLION PER YEAR. He's SUPPOSED to be BETTER than EVERYONE ELSE IN THE NFL.

He's not. He's a fucking oxygen thief stealing Chiefs fans money and worse, TIME!

Fuck him.

The giants won because of Eli Manning and a bunch of role players.

This Chiefs team would be in the hunt with a quarterback.

I don't think the rest of the roster is that big of a problem at all. Right now, they play as if they don't have a leader because they don't.

Also realize that you harp about Pioli taking role players and then champion a bunch of role player picks of NYs as proof of their superior drafting...

Go look at their draft history http://www.databasefootball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?tm=NYG&lg=NFL show me all these drafts that they hit on most of their picks.

The big difference? Franchise quarterback.

BossChief
10-02-2012, 11:36 PM
It's sorted by overall player rating. His coverage rating bumps him up to 50.

He sucks dude. Accept it.

He's a decent punt returner who can't break the big play, and a very pedestrian nickel who has 0 ability to start.

failpick

50 is damn good for a corner.

Post that sorted column, please.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 11:44 PM
The giants won because of Eli Manning and a bunch of role players.

This Chiefs team would be in the hunt with a quarterback.

You fail to address the problem: Pioli.

His drafts have been below average, his free agent acquisitions have been far below average, his coaching hires have been poor and his choice of QB an abomination.

BossChief
10-02-2012, 11:59 PM
You fail to address the problem: Pioli.

His drafts have been below average, his free agent acquisitions have been far below average, his coaching hires have been poor and his choice of QB an abomination.

I totally disagree on the first two, Haley was perceived as a poor head coach because he was forced to do desperate things due to lacking talent and ability of the quarterback he was forcefed.

I am in complete agreement that Cassel is and has been a horrible aquisition and that singular move overshadows everything else he has done.

Ultimately, that alone should probably get him canned.

I'm sticking to my guns that I think he is an above average drafter and average (maybe a hair above) at bringing in free agents.

His fatal flaw is his handling of the quarterback position.

Jmo

Time will tell if I'm right or wrong, as always.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 12:00 AM
50 is damn good for a corner.

Post that sorted column, please.

Being rated the 50th best corner, out of 80 corners, and having a negative coverage rating IS NOT GOOD.

:facepalm:

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 12:01 AM
I totally disagree on the first two,

Pioli has had an opportunity to draft 28 players. He has had FOUR offseasons in which to sign other team's free agents.

Name the game consistent game changing players.

Thanks.

Brock
10-03-2012, 12:04 AM
I totally disagree on the first two, Haley was perceived as a poor head coach because he was forced to do desperate things due to lacking talent and ability of the quarterback he was forcefed.
.

Give me a break. He was terrible. He couldn't work with anybody, he even ran off the only guy who made the offense work. That was a horrible hire, and even if Haley were an average coach that's still a bad hire because Pioli hired a guy he apparently hated. It made no sense from the get go.

Romeo was an even worse hire, apparently. Pioli cannot choose the next coach of this team, period.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 12:04 AM
Being rated the 50th best corner, out of 80 corners, and having a negative coverage rating IS NOT GOOD.

:facepalm:

I knew you wouldn't post it.

We have faced 3 franchise quarterbacks in 4 weeks and he hasn't been bad in coverage.

What is Carrs ranking after he got destroyed by Chicago and Brandon Marshall?...iirc he was like 29th before that game.

Easy 6
10-03-2012, 12:10 AM
Discuss :D

Marty wouldnt be of any more help than Marv Levy or Bill Parcells or any other big on advice, small on taking hands on action "consultants" through the years.

If the GM & Head Coach need a consultant, you're ****ed with or without one.

Rausch
10-03-2012, 12:11 AM
You fail to address the problem: Pioli.

His drafts have been below average, his free agent acquisitions have been far below average, his coaching hires have been poor and his choice of QB an abomination.

THIS...

Rausch
10-03-2012, 12:13 AM
That was a horrible hire, and even if Haley were an average coach that's still a bad hire because Pioli hired a guy he apparently hated. It made no sense from the get go.

I never understood that...

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 12:16 AM
I never understood that...

Nepotism.

His Father-In-Law recommended that Pioli hire Haley. Since Pioli doesn't have one single creative thought in his fat fucking bald head, he followed Parcells advice.

Hilarity ensued.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 12:19 AM
Give me a break. He was terrible. He couldn't work with anybody, he even ran off the only guy who made the offense work. That was a horrible hire, and even if Haley were an average coach that's still a bad hire because Pioli hired a guy he apparently hated. It made no sense from the get go.

Romeo was an even worse hire, apparently. Pioli cannot choose the next coach of this team, period.
I'm not a fan of the Romeo hire, but Haley had the team in shape and focused...something that is totally lost now. Look at all theinor injuries we have this year and how many penalties we have opposed to when Haley was coaching.

If we had a quarterback, who knows what happens, but you have to think we would have won the division twice in a row (we were a game off of that last year) and who knows how much else would be effected.

The Steelers forced Arians out and hired the guy because he is a quality coach, not because he sucks and is terrible.
Pioli has had an opportunity
to draft 28 players. He has had FOUR offseasons in which to sign other team's free agents.

Name the game consistent game changing players.

Thanks.

You know as well as I do that injuries have impacted that significantly.

Berry and Moeaki were both budding stars as rookies and are still recovering from major injury that cost them their second years.

Houston is a fucking beast that would have been a great pick if he was taken in the top 10...and we stole him with a profit pick from a trade down.

Succop is a damn fine kicker that has made his last 5 kicks over 50 yards (I added this for flare)

Other than that, Pioli has hit a bunch of singles and doubles, which is what you want.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 12:19 AM
Nepotism.

His Father-In-Law recommended that Pioli hire Haley. Since Pioli doesn't have one single creative thought in his fat fucking bald head, he followed Parcells advice.

Hilarity ensued.

This seems like the most plausible explanation, especially considering Haley worked for Parcells in two different cities.

Trading for Cassel was very similar to what Parcells did as soon as he arrived in Miami, too, with Chad Pennington.

How it went down in Miami and how it's gone down in KC have really been quite similar. That franchise was lucky to get rid of all their Patriotards fairly quickly, though.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 12:21 AM
Berry and Moeaki were both budding stars as rookies and are still recovering from major injury that cost them their second years.


At this point, both of them suck, and we have no idea what the future may hold for either.

They have to be counted against Pioli right now.

Especially Moeaki, who had a history of injury coming out.

Jeff Allen had a dogshit game Sunday, too.

And Jon Baldwin's impact on this offense has been minimal. Though, in his defense, greater than McCluster so far. LMAO

BossChief
10-03-2012, 12:21 AM
Nepotism.

His Father-In-Law recommended that Pioli hire Haley. Since Pioli doesn't have one single creative thought in his fat fucking bald head, he followed Parcells advice.

Hilarity ensued.

Pioli and Haley also worked for the Jets together iirc.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 12:23 AM
You know as well as I do that injuries have impacted that significantly.

Berry and Moeaki were both budding stars as rookies and are still recovering from major injury that cost them their second years.

Houston is a fucking beast that would have been a great pick if he was taken in the top 10...and we stole him with a profit pick from a trade down.

Succop is a damn fine kicker that has made his last 5 kicks over 50 yards (I added this for flare)

Other than that, Pioli has hit a bunch of singles and doubles, which is what you want.

So, four guys out of 28 draftees? That's average?

:shake:

Succop? Totally unnecessary when Barth was on the roster.

Let's talk about the guys that Pioli unceremoniously cut.

How great would Babin have been opposite Hali? How about Pollard and Berry? And don't give a shit about Moeaki. What about Tom Crabtree? I'd take him over fucking O'Connell!

Pioli passed on Graham, Hernandez and Gronk but traded up for an often injured Moeaki and he's supposed to get CREDIT for that?

Net gain: Houston.

ONE FUCKING PLAYER IN FOUR DRAFTS! Woo-fucking-hoo!

Brock
10-03-2012, 12:24 AM
I'm not a fan of the Romeo hire, but Haley had the team in shape and focused...something that is totally lost now. Look at all theinor injuries we have this year and how many penalties we have opposed to when Haley was coaching.

If we had a quarterback, who knows what happens, but you have to think we would have won the division twice in a row (we were a game off of that last year) and who knows how much else would be effected.

The Steelers forced Arians out and hired the guy because he is a quality coach, not because he sucks and is terrible.


The team looked exactly the same under Haley as it does right now, with the exception of when Weis was calling the plays. Other than that one season, they've looked like garbage and still do.

The Steelers forced Arians out for whatever reason, and now Todd's got an easy job. I congratulate him on his connections, but there wasn't anything wrong with their offense to begin with.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 12:25 AM
At this point, both of them suck, and we have no idea what the future may hold for either.

They have to be counted against Pioli right now.

Especially Moeaki, who had a history of injury coming out.

Jeff Allen had a dogshit game Sunday, too.

And Jon Baldwin's impact on this offense has been minimal. Though, in his defense, greater than McCluster so far. LMAO

His fatal flaw is his handling of Cassel.

He needs to find a way to fix the qb position to save his job. His only hope at this point is Stanzi because we all know what Cassel and Quinn are.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 12:27 AM
His fatal flaw is his handling of Cassel.


I agree, but his drafts are looking worse and worse, and don't forget shitty head coaching hires.

There's not a lot to go on that actually suggests Pioli is a good GM.

At best you can say he's done an average job of improving the roster and horrible decisions at HC and QB have resulted in failure.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 12:37 AM
So, four guys out of 28 draftees? That's average?

:shake:

Succop? Totally unnecessary when Barth was on the roster.

Let's talk about the guys that Pioli unceremoniously cut.

How great would Babin have been opposite Hali? How about Pollard and Berry? And don't give a shit about Moeaki. What about Tom Crabtree? I'd take him over fucking O'Connell!

Pioli passed on Graham, Hernandez and Gronk but traded up for an often injured Moeaki and he's supposed to get CREDIT for that?

Net gain: Houston.

ONE FUCKING PLAYER IN FOUR DRAFTS! Woo-fucking-hoo!Jason Babin credits the scheme for his emergence. He has said multiple times that
this is the scheme he dominated in college at and that he really doesnt fit other ones. There is some merit to the fact that we maybe should have been the ones to realize that and not changed schemes and jettisoned him, but the guy was a bust before he got to KC and he still was one when he left...it's whatever.

I was one of the handful of guys that was pissed when Pollard was cut and he is now on a defense where he is used correctly (I have lots of posts from 2009 detailing how he SHOULD have been used and they are exactly how the Ravens use him now)...those two with Lewis as the third safety would have been fucking great.

How much different do Gronk, Graham and Hernandez look because of Tom Fucking Brady and Drew Brees?...and how would Moeaki look in their positions? That gets us full circle on the fatal flaw point.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 12:41 AM
The team looked exactly the same under Haley as it does right now, with the exception of when Weis was calling the plays. Other than that one season, they've looked like garbage and still do.

The Steelers forced Arians out for whatever reason, and now Todd's got an easy job. I congratulate him on his connections, but there wasn't anything wrong with their offense to begin with.

The Steelers forced BA out and brought in Haley because they know he was in a position where positive results were next to impossible and they recognized that he is a good coach that could make a difference for them.

Don't give me that "connections" shit, either. It's silly to think they would force a coach out (that is now a head coach on an interim basis) and brought in his replacements because of who his dad is.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 12:46 AM
I agree, but his drafts are looking worse and worse, and don't forget shitty head coaching hires.

There's not a lot to go on that actually suggests Pioli is a good GM.

At best you can say he's done an average job of improving the roster and horrible decisions at HC and QB have resulted in failure.

Guys like:

Asamoah
Baldwin
McCluster
Winston
Breaston

Would be showing their true value if we didn't have a worthless turd at quarterback.

Don't forget, Orton had 2 300 yard games with these guys and no running game and he is mediocre.

If we find a way to get Geno Smith, these guys are gonna blow the fuck up and the rest of the team will play energized and will seem to have "woken up" they have given up on Cassel just as we have.

Fruit Ninja
10-03-2012, 12:57 AM
Guys like:

Asamoah
Baldwin
McCluster
Winston
Breaston

Would be showing their true value if we didn't have a worthless turd at quarterback.

Don't forget, Orton had 2 300 yard games with these guys and no running game and he is mediocre.

If we find a way to get Geno Smith, these guys are gonna blow the **** up and the rest of the team will play energized and will seem to have "woken up" they have given up on Cassel just as we have.
Until then what if's dont matter, as of right now, all his draft picks have not been top notch.

Its all blah. Forsome reason though, even with the shitty ass qb, Bowe is the only WR that is consistent from week to week. Can only imagine what his numbers would be like if he had a good qb. Now there i go with the what ifs.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:05 AM
Want to know how to almost totally guarantee getting Geno Smith?

Trade Bowe before the deadline.

Think long and hard before you respond with death threats.

We wouldn't win a game without him and even if we do, the extra draft pick would give us the ammo to move up. Shit, package him and Dorsey and see what we can get.

A team like Miami or St Louis would probably bite....possibly Indy would jump in a help us get more for them.

Thinking about the long term big picture, this wouldn't be a bad choice.

3 years from now, we would be glad we did it.


-ducks-

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 01:08 AM
Want to know how to almost totally guarantee getting Geno Smith?

Trade Bowe before the deadline.

Think long and hard before you respond with death threats.

We wouldn't win a game without him and even if we do, the extra draft pick would give us the ammo to move up. Shit, package him and Dorsey and see what we can get.

A team like Miami or St Louis would probably bite....possibly Indy would jump in a help us get more for them.

Thinking about the long term big picture, this wouldn't be a bad choice.

3 years from now, we would be glad we did it.


-ducks-

Terrible idea.

You've lost it in this thread.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 01:14 AM
Dude, if trading Bowe brings us a franchise QB, DO IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

There's a decent chance he may not even want to be here at all, no matter what.

tmw4h5
10-03-2012, 01:18 AM
Let's be honest, we have to trade Bowe.

Do you really think he's going to re-sign with us? Look at who he has had to play with at QB in his career. He knows firsthand how cheap ownership is. He knows how much of a dick Pioli is. Do you think that Hunt is going to pay him top dollar? It's clear that our GM and/or Clark Hunt undervalue the worth of players. Even the players we have re-signed under Pioli came at club-friendly contracts. I really doubt Bowe is going to take a "hometown discount" to stay with a team that appears to be going absolutely nowhere.

We need to trade Bowe before the deadline. We have to take what we can get for him. Even if it's a 2nd rounder. You cannot simpy let a player of his caliber walk away and get nothing in return for him. We could franchise him again next year, but I highly doubt he will put forth actual effort. He'll simply collect his paychecks and do his best to not get injured.

We have three options:
1. Trade Bowe and get what we can.
2. Keep Bowe and hope he re-signs (lol, failboat).
3. Franchise Bowe again and let him lol.

Assud
10-03-2012, 01:18 AM
Want to know how to almost totally guarantee getting Geno Smith?

Trade Bowe before the deadline.

Think long and hard before you respond with death threats.

We wouldn't win a game without him and even if we do, the extra draft pick would give us the ammo to move up. Shit, package him and Dorsey and see what we can get.

A team like Miami or St Louis would probably bite....possibly Indy would jump in a help us get more for them.

Thinking about the long term big picture, this wouldn't be a bad choice.

3 years from now, we would be glad we did it.


-ducks-

Going to have to agree with this guy. We're gonna lose Bowe at the end of the season anyways. Might as well get something for him and rebuild from there.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 01:19 AM
Fucking retards

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:21 AM
Terrible idea.

You've lost it in this thread.

I just want this team to finally have a quarterback that would put us on the map so bad I'd give Bowe, Dorsey, my moms tv, a weekend with my sister both of my pinky toes and the whole 2013 draft if that's what it takes.

I am of the thought that with a legit quarterback, our receiving corps (even without Bowe) would be adequate until we could draft someone to replace him with....maybe that someone is the receiver from WV that he likes throwing to so much.

Bring in Holgoson as the OC and (brace yourselves, I'm tired right now) hire Bill Cowher as head coach and have him hire a dc that would institute his attacking 3-4 and lets crank up the band!!!

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 01:23 AM
Dane, keeping Bowe is not good if it bars us from getting a franchise QB.

Look at the Giants. You can find a WR man.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:25 AM
Fucking retards

I'm sick and tired of years like 2011, buddy.

No playoffs and just outside where the qbs get picked.

We need to sacrifice a lamb and a couple virgins to make sure we don't miss the fucking dance, AGAIN.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:28 AM
Dane, keeping Bowe is not good if it bars us from getting a franchise QB.

Look at the Giants. You can find a WR man.

Ryan Tannehill (which isn't even in the same stratosphere as Geno Smith) just threw for 450 yards and his top receiver was some guy that caught 250 yards worth of passes.

Geno would do just fine with Baldwin, Breaston, McCluster, Wylie and a draft pick or two and our running game to keep defenses honest.

Not to mention our OL should be jelled by then, too.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:32 AM
You would have to think that Miami, the Rams or Indy would be willing to give up a
Jared Allen type haul for Bowe (and maybe even Dorsey)

I guess I can see us signing a guy like Gerrard or playing Stanzi and riding Bowe to a big year that gets him his payday elsewhere as we franchise Albert and lick 12th lr 13th and have to chose between Wilson or Jones.

Fuck that.

Fuck all of that.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 01:33 AM
I just want this team to finally have a quarterback that would put us on the map so bad I'd give Bowe, Dorsey, my moms tv, a weekend with my sister both of my pinky toes and the whole 2013 draft if that's what it takes.

I am of the thought that with a legit quarterback, our receiving corps (even without Bowe) would be adequate until we could draft someone to replace him with....maybe that someone is the receiver from WV that he likes throwing to so much.

Bring in Holgoson as the OC and (brace yourselves, I'm tired right now) hire Bill Cowher as head coach and have him hire a dc that would institute his attacking 3-4 and lets crank up the band!!!

Epic fucking fail.

Hire a guy that hasn't coached in seven seasons, then pay a DRUNK college head coach $3 million a year to be the OC?

What the fuck?

Does ANYONE have any common sense around here anymore?

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 01:34 AM
You would have to think that Miami, the Rams or Indy would be willing to give up a
Jared Allen type haul for Bowe (and Dorsey maybe even Dorsey)

I guess I can see us signing a guy like Gerrard or playing Stanzi and riding Bowe to a big year that gets him his payday elsewhere as we franchise Albert and lick 12th lr 13th and have to chose between Wilson or Jones.

Fuck that.

Fuck all of that.

You're smoking crack

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:37 AM
Epic fucking fail.

Hire a guy that hasn't coached in seven seasons, then pay a DRUNK college head coach $3 million a year to be the OC?

What the fuck?

Does ANYONE have any common sense around here anymore?

Yeah, I can see where having an exciting offense with a young quarterback leading them with an innovative system paired with an extremely talented young attacking defense wouldnt be worth the cost.

Epic fail, indeed.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:40 AM
You're smoking crack

I don't do drugs. I am a little tired though and am thinking out loud (well, typing silently anyway)

I took a nap earlier so I am up when I'm usually asleep by now.

BossChief
10-03-2012, 01:43 AM
We need to lose enough games to ensure we are in position to pick an elite quarterback prospect and Geno Smith (and MAYBE Barkley) are really the only two ELITE guys that should be in this draft.

Second added bonus of this move: Pioli probably gets fired.

NJChiefsFan
10-03-2012, 03:29 AM
At this point, both of them suck, and we have no idea what the future may hold for either.

They have to be counted against Pioli right now.

Especially Moeaki, who had a history of injury coming out.

Jeff Allen had a dogshit game Sunday, too.

And Jon Baldwin's impact on this offense has been minimal. Though, in his defense, greater than McCluster so far. LMAO

I agree with the overall point. I do disagree on holding Berry against him. When healthy he looked great year 1. Not to mention everyone said he was the pick and loved that we got him. Even said that Pioli shouldn't get credit because it was so obvious. I don't mind not giving him love because anybody would have taken Berry. I do think its harsh to say somebody made a mistake in taking Berry, especially after year 1. There are tons of things we can throw against Pioli. Don't have to make it seem like Berry was a mistake. Even if he somehow doesn't work out I am never going to blame this organization for taking him.

Fruit Ninja
10-03-2012, 04:34 AM
just keep status quo and we dont have to give up shit, we will be drafting in the top 5. lol The only team that may be worse then the Chiefs right now is New Orleans and there's no way they are drafting a qb.

We may end up getting blown out 5-7 more times this season with the qb's and terrible coaching this team has. lol

JUst keep as is, and bam, we are in it to win it with drafting a qb, only problem then is Pioli may be the guy that drafts one.

Just to remind everyone how bad this team is, We are 1 quarter (haley speak) through the season and have NOT lead in a game for 1 minute. I doubt thats ever been done before. lol

Coogs
10-03-2012, 06:42 AM
[QUOTE=Chiefnj2;8966351]Clark doesn't need a damn consultant to tell him what's wrong. Stevie Wonder can see what is wrong with this team. Years of poor drafting, poor coaching and players who don't care.

Winston played like Richardson yesterday. Berry played like Piscatelli. Moeaki is useless. And what might be the most telling, Cassel has regressed. I didn't think it was humanly possible for a QB to get worse than Cassel in 2011. But, hell he's done it this year. He can't even dump off the ball accurately. It's amazing how bad every single facet of the game is


hey fuck you colquitt is money
and that is the best thing we got

Richardson kept Orton clean when both were here. And I'm not sure where I read this... Peter King's MMQB I think... but Richardson was listed as one of the offensive players of the week for helping keep the Seattle defense from getting a sack after Seattle had 8 in a half against Green Bay. :banghead:

htismaqe
10-03-2012, 10:53 AM
Richardson kept Orton clean when both were here. And I'm not sure where I read this... Peter King's MMQB I think... but Richardson was listed as one of the offensive players of the week for helping keep the Seattle defense from getting a sack after Seattle had 8 in a half against Green Bay. :banghead:

Common denominator? Matt Cassel.

Imagine what our guys that are already borderline would look like with a REAL QB. Albert might emerge as one of the top 2 or 3 left tackles in the league...

FAX
10-03-2012, 11:22 AM
Common denominator? Matt Cassel.

Imagine what our guys that are already borderline would look like with a REAL QB. Albert might emerge as one of the top 2 or 3 left tackles in the league...

I have little doubt of it. Heck, every aspect of our team would improve and the defense might be the biggest beneficiary.

FAX

Reerun_KC
10-03-2012, 11:27 AM
Marty's last few years in kc were craptastic. I wouldn't let that bumbling moron near my sons high-school team. Let alone an NFL team.

Marty is vastly overrated by chiefs fans.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 12:10 PM
Marty's last few years in kc were craptastic. I wouldn't let that bumbling moron near my sons high-school team. Let alone an NFL team.

Marty is vastly overrated by chiefs fans.

1997 was a bad year? Huh? If Instant Reply had been in effect, it's likely the Chiefs would have beaten Denver.

1998 was a jailbreak (literally) but that was his only "bad" year.

Coogs
10-03-2012, 07:08 PM
Common denominator? Matt Cassel.

Imagine what our guys that are already borderline would look like with a REAL QB. Albert might emerge as one of the top 2 or 3 left tackles in the league...

Absolutely!

Richardson goes from worst in the NFL to NFL player of the week. Winston goes from several time pro bowler to looking like Richardson did here the past couple of years.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-03-2012, 07:12 PM
1997 was a bad year? Huh? If Instant Reply had been in effect, it's likely the Chiefs would have beaten Denver.

1998 was a jailbreak (literally) but that was his only "bad" year.

Definately. That and an imaginary hold on a FG attempt wiping away 3 pts. After watching a SanDiego player fumble a Brady INT costing them a P.O. game, the guy is just fucking cursed.