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acesn8s
10-01-2012, 03:45 PM
What college coaches are best suited to rebuild the Chiefs? They must bring OC and DC, hire position coaches and game plan (and all other head coach responsibilities).

Are there any NFL coaches worth pursuing?

I don't think the names tossed around three years ago are worthy now. The NFL is changing and new blood is needed. Who is the best guy out there that hasn't been around since the 1990s.

zigbazah
10-01-2012, 03:49 PM
Doesn't matter as long as Helen Keller is your QB.

suds79
10-01-2012, 03:50 PM
We could interview Kirk Ferentz :p:p
- Scott Pioli

CoMoChief
10-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Joe Paterno

Saulbadguy
10-01-2012, 03:56 PM
Steve Sarkisian.

Sorry Flopnuts.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 03:57 PM
If you're looking at the college ranks (which I would not), Chip Kelly.

Von Dumbass
10-01-2012, 03:57 PM
Mike McCoy is kind of part of the tree after being hired by McDaniels.

Guru
10-01-2012, 04:00 PM
I don't even want to talk about coaches until we have a new GM

Chocolate Hog
10-01-2012, 04:00 PM
Bill Snyder

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 04:01 PM
I hear Charlie Weis is always willing to relocate and it won't cost much to move his fat ass.

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 04:01 PM
I don't even want to talk about coaches until we have a new GMOk, what athletic directors are available for the GM job? :p

Saulbadguy
10-01-2012, 04:01 PM
Bill Snyder

Maybe we could Charlie Weis and his Super Bowl caliber staff to come.

Chocolate Hog
10-01-2012, 04:02 PM
Maybe we could Charlie Weis and his Super Bowl caliber staff to come.

Bo Pelini as the DC

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 04:02 PM
Bill SnyderWon't do it. He didn't want to go back to K-State. He wanted to stay retired.

Saulbadguy
10-01-2012, 04:04 PM
Bo Pelini as the DC

Ron Prince, quality control

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 04:04 PM
Maybe we could Charlie Weis and his Super Bowl caliber staff to come.As OC?

DJ's left nut
10-01-2012, 04:13 PM
Perry Fewell is the best candidate available.

Aggressive 4-3 style, attacking defense. He even did a decent job when he was the interim head coach with Buffalo a few years ago.

We'd have to fire Pioli because he would never bring in a 4-3 coach, but firing Pioli should be a given anyway.

The answer is Perry Fewell.

htismaqe
10-01-2012, 04:14 PM
Doesn't matter as long as Helen Keller is your QB.

Doesn't matter as long as your GM is Stevie Wonder, either.

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 04:16 PM
Perry Fewell is the best candidate available.

Aggressive 4-3 style, attacking defense. He even did a decent job when he was the interim head coach with Buffalo a few years ago.

We'd have to fire Pioli because he would never bring in a 4-3 coach, but firing Pioli should be a given anyway.

The answer is Perry Fewell.
I'm not a fan of moving to the 4-3 by this point.

Von Dumbass
10-01-2012, 04:17 PM
Spags had that same reputation when he left the Giants and he didn't do a great job without Strahan, Tuck, and Osi in STL.

Chocolate Hog
10-01-2012, 04:17 PM
Perry Fewell is the best candidate available.

Aggressive 4-3 style, attacking defense. He even did a decent job when he was the interim head coach with Buffalo a few years ago.

We'd have to fire Pioli because he would never bring in a 4-3 coach, but firing Pioli should be a given anyway.

The answer is Perry Fewell.

Marc Ross would hire him :)

DeezNutz
10-01-2012, 04:17 PM
If Clark grows a pair...now don't kill me...I think that Cowher is in play, with a strong player personnel hire.

If we're in position to draft Smith or Barkley, I believe The Chin would strongly consider.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 04:18 PM
If the San Diego defense continues to improve, John Pagano is going to appear on many team's radar.

Ray Horton's another guy worth considering.

Von Dumbass
10-01-2012, 04:18 PM
No love for Jay Gruden?

SNR
10-01-2012, 04:19 PM
Marc Ross would hire him :)

Giants way

DeezNutz
10-01-2012, 04:19 PM
What we know for sure is that it would be RAC's opposite. Disciplinarian. Not a "player's coach."

SNR
10-01-2012, 04:20 PM
No love for Jay Gruden?

You act surprised

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 04:21 PM
If Clark grows a pair...now don't kill me...I think that Cowher is in play, with a strong player personnel hire.

If we're in position to draft Smith or Barkley, I believe The Chin would strongly consider.Cowher has been out of the league for too long. I doubt if he can relate to the younger players.

Rausch
10-01-2012, 04:22 PM
I'm not a fan of moving to the 4-3 by this point.

Me neither.

I'd prefer to lure a more competent 3-4 guy here...

Rausch
10-01-2012, 04:22 PM
Cowher has been out of the league for too long. I doubt if he can relate to the younger players.

I doubt that's going to be a problem...

kstater
10-01-2012, 04:22 PM
OBz

The Bad Guy
10-01-2012, 04:23 PM
I disagree about Fewell. I think Jay Gruden is the best out there right now.

Chocolate Hog
10-01-2012, 04:23 PM
If Clark grows a pair...now don't kill me...I think that Cowher is in play, with a strong player personnel hire.

If we're in position to draft Smith or Barkley, I believe The Chin would strongly consider.

I suggested that in another thread. Whaley/Cowher with a new QB will fill the stadium.

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Bill Cowher, Butch Davis

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 04:24 PM
I think Jay Gruden is the best out there right now.
He's not even the best option from his own team.

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 04:24 PM
I disagree about Fewell. I think Jay Gruden is the best out there right now.He is a guy to bring in a QB. But....

Rausch
10-01-2012, 04:25 PM
Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Bill Cowher, Butch Davis

Pass on Green and Fassel...

RunKC
10-01-2012, 04:26 PM
David Shaw

bowener
10-01-2012, 04:29 PM
Is Rob Ryan uncool now?
I kind of want a coach that looks like he might fucking kill you if you underperform.

The Bad Guy
10-01-2012, 04:33 PM
He's not even the best option from his own team.

I think he's a real brilliant offensive mind. Something about Zimmer must rub people the wrong way.

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Rex Ryan will be available soon

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 04:34 PM
Something about Zimmer must rub people the wrong way.
He's too damn honest.

I wouldn't read too much into Jay Gruden, as you'll have a really good offense when you have a WR that's on his way to overshadowing Calvin Johnson.

Rex Ryan will be available soon
Yeah I wouldn't count on it.

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 04:35 PM
Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Bill Cowher, Butch DavisHas beens

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 04:36 PM
Rex Ryan will be available soonBring either Ryan will be an improvement but are they SB worthy?

bevischief
10-01-2012, 04:41 PM
Fresh blood people who are hungry for both GM and coach.

Mojo Jojo
10-01-2012, 04:43 PM
Until Scott is gone what "real" coach would want to come to KC? Even players don't want to be here.

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 04:50 PM
Until Scott is gone what "real" coach would want to come to KC? Even players don't want to be here.

I don't believe that... Yall need to go Young with a coach

htismaqe
10-01-2012, 04:59 PM
I don't believe that... Yall need to go Young with a coach

Of course you want to keep Pioli in KC.

With him here, the Raiders actually have competition for title of "worst team in the West".

Saccopoo
10-01-2012, 05:04 PM
Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old. Princeton graduate who set numerous records as a wide receiver.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs were the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative, forward thinking minds in football right now? There you go.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 05:07 PM
Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of the most, if not the, innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs have been the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative minds in football right now? There you go.

No fucking way would I hire Holgersen. And if you're looking at college defensive coordinators (which I would not), I'd hire Manny Diaz before anyone else.

Eliot Wolf wouldn't make a lateral move, so that's just silly. As far as Ross is concerned, my biggest fear with him would be head coaching hire. I don't care for Fewell and would puke if he hired Spagnoulo.

AustinChief
10-01-2012, 05:16 PM
Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old. Princeton graduate who set numerous records as a wide receiver.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs were the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative, forward thinking minds in football right now? There you go.

I'd be fine with this. (I'd also be fine with Diaz instead of Bumpas, but Bumpas may actually be better right now, so no complaints there)

My obscure pick for coach... Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald.

CaliforniaChief
10-01-2012, 05:16 PM
On Sunday night, Cris Colinsworth made an interesting point about who makes good head coaches. Pointing at John Harbaugh, he mentioned that hiring a ST coach makes sense because they have a broader grasp on the talent on the roster. I would add to that the fact that it seems like hiring a "defensive" coach or "offensive" coach just brings a lack of balance.

That said, who are some of the bright ST coaches out there? DeCamellis?

I'll say this about the Chin: He's not my favorite, but if anyone understands the core aspects of "The Chiefs Way" (dominant at Arrowhead, intimidating defense), it's him.

I still like Rob Ryan, Jay Gruden, and David Shaw. Other than that, I'm open.

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 05:19 PM
What about Shottenheimers boy?

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 05:19 PM
Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old. Princeton graduate who set numerous records as a wide receiver.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs were the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative, forward thinking minds in football right now? There you go.

You know what your post reminded me about?

The Chiefs still don't have a freaking College Scouting Director to replace Emery.

This organization is a disaster zone. You can't help but wonder if that spot's vacant because nobody wants it.

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 05:19 PM
What about Shottenheimers boy?

lol no

DeezNutz
10-01-2012, 05:19 PM
I tossed out The Chin's name because Clark is going to want to get a "known commodity" after the epic fail of Pioli.

Saccopoo
10-01-2012, 05:23 PM
You know what your post reminded me about?

The Chiefs still don't have a freaking College Scouting Director to replace Emery.

This organization is a disaster zone. You can't help but wonder if that spot's vacant because nobody wants it.

I know. That's fucking tragic. Embarrassing. Apparently no one wants to work with Pioli, and as we saw in 2009, Pioli doesn't know jack shit about the college game anyway - when it was supposedly his specialty in New England.

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 05:24 PM
Sometimes we pay too much attention to X's and O's. Really what you're looking for are guys who know how to motivate a team. Rex Ryan is a classic example. Unbelievable with X's and O's. Terrible motivator. Mike McCarthy and John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin -- pretty average track records before head coaching. They're all terrific coaches.

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 05:27 PM
No ****ing way would I hire Holgersen. And if you're looking at college defensive coordinators (which I would not), I'd hire Manny Diaz before anyone else.

Eliot Wolf wouldn't make a lateral move, so that's just silly. As far as Ross is concerned, my biggest fear with him would be head coaching hire. I don't care for Fewell and would puke if he hired Spagnoulo.If you don't like the choices then they must be the right ones.

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 05:27 PM
Lane Kiffen

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 05:27 PM
Sometimes we pay too much attention to X's and O's. Really what you're looking for are guys who know how to motivate a team. Rex Ryan is a classic example. Unbelievable with X's and O's. Terrible motivator. Mike McCarthy and John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin -- pretty average track records before head coaching. They're all terrific coaches.

I don't Tomlin is terrific, at all. Most Steelers fans would agree.

McCarthy's done it all, from college to positional coaching to coordinator to head coach. His record was certainly better than "average". The Harbaughs come from a coaching lineage and I don't think anything about Jim or John screams "average".

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 05:28 PM
Tom Cable

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 05:28 PM
I know. That's ****ing tragic. Embarrassing. Apparently no one wants to work with Pioli, and as we saw in 2009, Pioli doesn't know jack shit about the college game anyway - when it was supposedly his specialty in New England.

Well, that shouldn't be his job. A guy like Emery and Dimitroff is really, really important. Pioli doesn't have time to individually scout players. He needs a guy underneath him to do all the in-depth scouting and give Pioli the sound bytes. This is a pretty big miss not to have a guy like Emery and you can't help but wonder why it's vacant.

acesn8s
10-01-2012, 05:30 PM
Lane KiffenNO

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 05:30 PM
Tom Cable

I'd hire him just to sucker punch Cassel.

SNR
10-01-2012, 05:32 PM
Who are some GM candidates who have been involved in ALL aspects of the scouting process at one point? I'd like to see a guy in here who has coached at the collegiate level, done a bit of grunt scout work in the pros, has been in environments where he's seen/gotten tips on contract negotiation, and who has been in a variety of different environments in a variety of different systems.

In other words, the polar opposite of Pioli.

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 05:33 PM
Tom Cable will bring toughness

How bout Hue Jackson

DaWolf
10-01-2012, 05:42 PM
Is there a third Harbaugh brother?

SNR
10-01-2012, 05:42 PM
You guys will probably hate these suggestions, but what about some dark horse guys who have bounced around the league as head coaches formerly, but just kind of got bad breaks wherever they went? There was this huge push to bring in Al Saunders after Vermeil, but it wasn't like Al's former HC experience was worth an ounce of squirrel shit. What about some of these guys as our next HC?

Dom Capers
Mike Tice
Cam Cameron
Perry Fewell
Jim Haslett
Mike Nolan

Just some ideas people aren't considering. I'm not married to any of them.

Chocolate Hog
10-01-2012, 05:44 PM
You guys will probably hate these suggestions, but what about some dark horse guys who have bounced around the league as head coaches formerly, but just kind of got bad breaks wherever they went? There was this huge push to bring in Al Saunders after Vermeil, but it wasn't like Al's former HC experience was worth an ounce of squirrel shit. What about some of these guys as our next HC?

Dom Capers
Mike Tice
Cam Cameron
Perry Fewell
Jim Haslett
Mike Nolan

Just some ideas people aren't considering. I'm not married to any of them.

No thanks

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 05:45 PM
I don't Tomlin is terrific, at all. Most Steelers fans would agree.

McCarthy's done it all, from college to positional coaching to coordinator to head coach. His record was certainly better than "average". The Harbaughs come from a coaching lineage and I don't think anything about Jim or John screams "average".

I know what you're saying. My point is that we often obsess about coaches/coordinators from Super Bowl teams or dynasties, or retreads. Harbaugh was a special teams coach. McCarthy was coordinator for two pretty average offenses in SF/New Orleans. You don't have to coach an all-world offense or defense to be a very good head coach. These days, I think it's a hell of a lot more about your ability to motivate, teach, and discipline players than it is about X's and O's.

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 05:45 PM
Jesus Christ?

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 05:51 PM
You guys will probably hate these suggestions, but what about some dark horse guys who have bounced around the league as head coaches formerly, but just kind of got bad breaks wherever they went? There was this huge push to bring in Al Saunders after Vermeil, but it wasn't like Al's former HC experience was worth an ounce of squirrel shit. What about some of these guys as our next HC?

Dom Capers
Mike Tice
Cam Cameron
Perry Fewell
Jim Haslett
Mike Nolan

Just some ideas people aren't considering. I'm not married to any of them.

Personally, I don't like any of them. Dom Capers has had multiple chances and failed. Tice is a moron. Cam Cameron not only failed in Miami (1-15) he failed at Indiana.

Haslett's a nut, Nolan is incapable of running a team, which leaves Fewell. Quite honestly, there's nothing on his resume that says "Head Coach" to me.

Chocolate Hog
10-01-2012, 05:57 PM
GM Marc Ross

HC- Rob Chudzinski or Mike McCoy

OC/O-line coach- Bill Callahan

DC- Todd Bowles

Von Dumbass
10-01-2012, 05:57 PM
Del Rio would be a good HC for you guys. He has always let his coordinators call their own plays and the players respect him because he played in the league.

Rausch
10-01-2012, 06:07 PM
Del Rio would be a good HC for you guys. He has always let his coordinators call their own plays and the players respect him because he played in the league.

And if a player holds out he'll just bodyslam them in the parking lot...

3rd&48ers
10-01-2012, 06:27 PM
Del Rio would be a good choice...

SNR
10-01-2012, 06:28 PM
Del Rio would be a good HC for you guys. He has always let his coordinators call their own plays and the players respect him because he played in the league.

I hope you die

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 06:30 PM
http://i.imgur.com/gVFga.jpg

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 06:32 PM
GM Marc Ross

HC- Rob Chudzinski or Mike McCoy

OC/O-line coach- Bill Callahan

DC- Todd Bowles

No way on Chud.

JohnnyHammersticks
10-01-2012, 06:34 PM
If Pioli picks the next head coach, then it's a 2-man race between Ferentz and Josh McDaniels. You absolutely know that McDaniels thinks he could fix Cassel and more importantly, Scott Pioli thinks McDaniels could fix Cassel. Hell, Pioli probably doesn't even think Cassel needs fixing.

We're ****ed. Just plain fucked.

BryanBusby
10-01-2012, 06:35 PM
I can't see Scott Pioli getting the opportunity to choose a 3rd Head Coach.

Von Dumbass
10-01-2012, 06:41 PM
I hope you die

I think Del Rio fits KC well. He is a no nonsense coach who is also not an overbearing asshole like Haley was.

He can put together a great coaching staff as well. Just look at what his former DC (Mike Smith) and OC (Dirk Koetter) are doing down in Atlanta.

Give Del Rio a good GM and he could be a great HC in the NFL.

Bewbies
10-01-2012, 06:44 PM
No retreads please. McCoy interests me, but he has touched the tree which is a big black eye for me.

KC_Lee
10-01-2012, 06:46 PM
If Pioli picks the next head coach, then it's a 2-man race between Ferentz and Josh McDaniels. You absolutely know that McDaniels thinks he could fix Cassel and more importantly, Scott Pioli thinks McDaniels could fix Cassel. Hell, Pioli probably doesn't even think Cassel needs fixing.

We're ****ed. Just plain ****ed.

As someone said when I posted that we would trade down and use the extra picks we recieve to trade for Ryan Mallet....FU for being right.

Von Dumbass
10-01-2012, 06:52 PM
No retreads please. McCoy interests me, but he has touched the tree which is a big black eye for me.

Coughlin, Belicheat, and Shanahan were retreads before winning a SB. A good HC isn't a good HC until he has a QB.

SNR
10-01-2012, 06:55 PM
I think Del Rio fits KC well. He is a no nonsense coach who is also not an overbearing asshole like Haley was.

He can put together a great coaching staff as well. Just look at what his former DC (Mike Smith) and OC (Dirk Koetter) are doing down in Atlanta.

Give Del Rio a good GM and he could be a great HC in the NFL.

You were talking about those coaches who have franchise QBs generally do well in the league.

What do you call his time in Jacksonville? He oversaw the drafting of TWO first round QBs and hand-selected another (Garrard) during his LONG tenure as HC. This isn't like Belichick, where he was fired entirely too soon. The guy had chances and fucked up.

He's what you get if Herm Edwards and Todd Haley had a baby. He's worthless.

Bewbies
10-01-2012, 07:03 PM
Coughlin, Belicheat, and Shanahan were retreads before winning a SB. A good HC isn't a good HC until he has a QB.

Your evidence is overwhelming. Retread please.

Von Dumbass
10-01-2012, 07:09 PM
You were talking about those coaches who have franchise QBs generally do well in the league.

What do you call his time in Jacksonville? He oversaw the drafting of TWO first round QBs and hand-selected another (Garrard) during his LONG tenure as HC. This isn't like Belichick, where he was fired entirely too soon. The guy had chances and ****ed up.

He's what you get if Herm Edwards and Todd Haley had a baby. He's worthless.

I don't know how much say he had with the Gabbert pick...

He was kind of in the same position the Chiefs have been in the past 10 years... His teams were just good enough to miss out on the top QB prospects.

notorious
10-01-2012, 07:11 PM
Jesus Christ?

No, he will be starting for the Jets in a few weeks.

notorious
10-01-2012, 07:12 PM
McDaniels will be here next year.


Bank it.

dred
10-01-2012, 07:27 PM
Peyton Manning?

Psyko Tek
10-01-2012, 07:31 PM
Jesus Christ?

HE'S RETIRED
and sorta busy on sunday

Dayze
10-01-2012, 07:51 PM
Never happen, but I like Kirby Smart.

Never ever happen

jspchief
10-01-2012, 08:14 PM
The answers in this thread so far pretty much reinforce why I wasn't opposed to Crennel getting the job. There are not many "must have" HC prospects out there right now. There's so much turnover in the coaching ranks, the up and coming coordinators are getting snatched up prematurely and failing because they don't build enough of a coaching identity to build winning by anything other than a coach-by-numbers copycat approach.

Of course, I didn't expect Crennel's shortcomings to show up in such a fast and furious manner. Nor did I expect him to be so utterly useless to the defense.

Shogun
10-01-2012, 08:22 PM
Steve Mariucci

Dennis Green

Brad Childress

????

thoughts

jspchief
10-01-2012, 08:25 PM
Steve Mariucci

Dennis Green

Brad Childress

????

thoughts

Trolling?

Shogun
10-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Trolling?

Herm edwards?

Richard_Cuckold
10-01-2012, 08:30 PM
Dont go with a college coach imo

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 08:43 PM
The answers in this thread so far pretty much reinforce why I wasn't opposed to Crennel getting the job. There are not many "must have" HC prospects out there right now. There's so much turnover in the coaching ranks, the up and coming coordinators are getting snatched up prematurely and failing because they don't build enough of a coaching identity to build winning by anything other than a coach-by-numbers copycat approach.

Of course, I didn't expect Crennel's shortcomings to show up in such a fast and furious manner. Nor did I expect him to be so utterly useless to the defense.

I expected it. Because again, people obsess over X's and O's. I told people months ago, Romeo is way too likable a guy to be a good head coach and he cares too much about the thinking part of the game to worry about conditioning.

The Chiefs have to stop hiring based on resume or fit with their offense or defense. They need to start interviewing good motivators, leaders, and teachers. You can find those if you look hard enough. And they're not always on elite defensive or offensive staffs. If you narrow the coaching pool down to your small tree, you're screwed.

Sorter
10-01-2012, 08:59 PM
We already had a poll on this.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 08:59 PM
Steve Mariucci

Dennis Green

Brad Childress

????

thoughts

:Lin:

Sorter
10-01-2012, 09:01 PM
I expected it. Because again, people obsess over X's and O's. I told people months ago, Romeo is way too likable a guy to be a good head coach and he cares too much about the thinking part of the game to worry about conditioning.

The Chiefs have to stop hiring based on resume or fit with their offense or defense. They need to start interviewing good motivators, leaders, and teachers. You can find those if you look hard enough. And they're not always on elite defensive or offensive staffs. If you narrow the coaching pool down to your small tree, you're screwed.

Honestly, if you put a QB on this team that doesn't have a 3 & out or a turnover every other possession, I think you'd be surprised how much better this defense looks throughout the course of a game.

Does not excuse them for looking horrible on opening drives however. That is primarily due to teams throwing out of our base front (a 3-4, odd) and our failure to get a pass rush.

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 09:05 PM
Honestly, if you put a QB on this team that doesn't have a 3 & out or a turnover every other possession, I think you'd be surprised how much better this defense looks throughout the course of a game.

Does not excuse them for looking horrible on opening drives however. That is primarily due to teams throwing out of our base front (a 3-4, odd) and our failure to get a pass rush.

The talent is there.

Romeo does not know how to motivate and lead. He is good at the coordination stuff.

I really like the guy as a DC. He shouldn't have been hired as a head coach. He took the players out of the weight room and put them into the film room, and now they're soft. He skipped tackling drills and now our players forgot how to tackle. Our defense went from wanting to punch you in the throat to playing read-and-react. And we're making mental mistake after mental mistake. Our special teams, which are usually a testament to the discipline of your team, keeps making mental breakdowns.

While I agree with you, Romeo's still going to get the team to underperform.

Sorter
10-01-2012, 09:25 PM
The defense still shows flashes when they are in the game. Look at SDs first 3 drives after Charles scored. They clearly don't believe in Cassel and they become frustrated by his lack of production. It's not hard to understand, especially if you played football at some point defensively with a shitty offense.

I do agree that Romeo is not good in terms of instilling discipline. However, you get this team a QB that they believe in, the D will play like a top 10 team. Fuck, look at how they played with Kyle fucking Orton.

Overall though Chiefzilla, good post.

-King-
10-01-2012, 09:26 PM
Is there a third Harbaugh brother?


There actually is. LMAO

Sorter
10-01-2012, 09:34 PM
There actually is. LMAO

Uhhhh, what is he doing?

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 09:41 PM
The defense still shows flashes when they are in the game. Look at SDs first 3 drives after Charles scored. They clearly don't believe in Cassel and they become frustrated by his lack of production. It's not hard to understand, especially if you played football at some point defensively with a shitty offense.

I do agree that Romeo is not good in terms of instilling discipline. However, you get this team a QB that they believe in, the D will play like a top 10 team. ****, look at how they played with Kyle ****ing Orton.

Overall though Chiefzilla, good post.

I would agree with this.

But it has to be a new coach and QB. If we improve at QB, huge improvement, but the Chiefs become the Norv Turner Chargers. A team with the talent to go places, but a coach who just doesn't get enough out of his team to play to their potential consistently.

Dayze
10-01-2012, 09:42 PM
Id take Billick if he wasn't chillin'

Sorter
10-01-2012, 09:44 PM
Chiefzilla, I agree at this point. I think that if you had put a real QB with Crennel at the start of this season, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Sadly, I think he has to go after getting fucked over by Cassel/Pioli.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 09:46 PM
Id take Billick if he wasn't chillin'

Out of all the ex-coaches that are available, he'd be my choice if the Chiefs decided to go the retread route.

Unlike so many others that are hanging on to old glory by coaching in the UFL (Schottenheimer, Fassel, Green) or went to the broadcast booth (Gruden, Johnson & Cowher), Billick has stayed "in the game" by calling weekly games and having a coaches show on NFL Network.

That said, I'd rather bring in a highly experienced and sharp coordinator over a retread. But I think that the front office and player personnel/evaluation is FAR more important than a head coach.

Most of these guys are as smart as the next guy. It's who is on the field that's the final determination.

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 10:07 PM
When I talk about young up-and-comers, here's a perfect example. I think Nick Sirianni is a rising star. He's probably not ready yet, but he has the potential to be a very good head coach a few years down the road.

There's got to be a young guy like Sirianni but with more experience under his belt on another team somewhere. Those are the guys we should be monitoring.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 10:13 PM
When I talk about young up-and-comers, here's a perfect example. I think Nick Sirianni is a rising star. He's probably not ready yet, but he has the potential to be a very good head coach a few years down the road.

There's got to be a young guy like Sirianni but with more experience under his belt on another team somewhere. Those are the guys we should be monitoring.

What makes you think that Nick Sirianni, who up until this season has been a paid intern, has the makings of a fine head coach?

Triple jump much?

Sorter
10-01-2012, 10:20 PM
Optimism and bias probably. I know plenty of people who worked as interns, OFQC, etc who I think would make good head coaches if given the opportunity. Doesn't mean they would; it means I would have confidence in them due to me personally knowing them. This probably isn't the case with Chiefzilla, although it could be.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 10:27 PM
Optimism and bias probably. I know plenty of people who worked as interns, OFQC, etc who I think would make good head coaches if given the opportunity. Doesn't mean they would; it means I would have confidence in them due to me personally knowing them. This probably isn't the case with Chiefzilla, although it could be.

Nick Sirianni needs about 5 more years in the NFL and a successful coordinating gig before anyone would even consider him for a head coaching position.

LiveSteam
10-01-2012, 10:30 PM
I had a dream a few weeks ago. In this very vivid dream. Lane Kiffin & his old man came & turned the Chiefs into a winner.

Sorter
10-01-2012, 10:30 PM
Nick Sirianni needs about 5 more years in the NFL and a successful coordinating gig before anyone would even consider him for a head coaching position.

Yup. I can't recall personally a NFL HC being promoted from a position coach without spending time as a coordinator.

Sorter
10-01-2012, 10:31 PM
And to be honest, it doesn't make sense. Are there any HCs who didn't spend time as a coordinator currently in the NFL?

Chocolate Hog
10-01-2012, 10:34 PM
And to be honest, it doesn't make sense. Are there any HCs who didn't spend time as a coordinator currently in the NFL?

Well John Harbaugh was special teams does that count?

Dayze
10-01-2012, 10:37 PM
Out of all the ex-coaches that are available, he'd be my choice if the Chiefs decided to go the retread route.

Unlike so many others that are hanging on to old glory by coaching in the UFL (Schottenheimer, Fassel, Green) or went to the broadcast booth (Gruden, Johnson & Cowher), Billick has stayed "in the game" by calling weekly games and having a coaches show on NFL Network.

That said, I'd rather bring in a highly experienced and sharp coordinator over a retread. But I think that the front office and player personnel/evaluation is FAR more important than a head coach.

Most of these guys are as smart as the next guy. It's who is on the field that's the final determination.
My thinking as well.
H e was the OC In Minny during the Denny years if I recall

ChiefsCountry
10-01-2012, 10:38 PM
And to be honest, it doesn't make sense. Are there any HCs who didn't spend time as a coordinator currently in the NFL?

Andy Reid

Sorter
10-01-2012, 10:49 PM
Andy Reid

True.

Sorter
10-01-2012, 10:51 PM
Well John Harbaugh was special teams does that count?

Yup.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 11:01 PM
Yup.

But he was a successful special teams coordinator with a long coaching resume.

He's a rare bird.

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2012, 11:05 PM
What makes you think that Nick Sirianni, who up until this season has been a paid intern, has the makings of a fine head coach?

Triple jump much?

I said he was a guy to watch out for. I didn't say he was ready now.

And calling a Quality Control coach a paid intern is unbelievably short-selling what they do. They work insane hours and they're the ones who are really digging into the film and analyzing the data, not to mention the administrative side of head coaching. It's basically football bootcamp.

From everything I've heard, the guy is extremely well liked by players and coaches. He was basically Haley's right hand man and he even gave him some responsibility coaching QBs. As a WRs coach, he just seems to be a natural coach -- Haley toughness with a lot less of the dickheadedness. I'd rather take a good leader over a guy with great X's and O's experience.

Sorter
10-01-2012, 11:08 PM
No doubt.

Brock
10-01-2012, 11:08 PM
I called Mike McCarthy when he was still a pissant intern with KC.

Sorter
10-01-2012, 11:09 PM
And calling a Quality Control coach a paid intern is unbelievably short-selling what they do. They work insane hours and they're the ones who are really digging into the film and analyzing the data, not to mention the administrative side of head coaching. It's basically football bootcamp.
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^^^This. OFQCs are the most under-appreciated and unknown coaches in the NFL. These guys come up with the game plans and are responsible for analyzing film throughout the entire season, usually working from 5AM-11PM.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2012, 11:18 PM
I called Mike McCarthy when he was still a pissant intern with KC.

Really? I knew Mac back in the day when he was at Baker but I never pegged him as an NFL head coach, at least not then.

KC Hawks
10-01-2012, 11:23 PM
Gregg Williams is available.

EDIT: But seriously, give me Vic Fangio.

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 03:39 AM
^^^This. OFQCs are the most under-appreciated and unknown coaches in the NFL. These guys come up with the game plans and are responsible for analyzing film throughout the entire season, usually working from 5AM-11PM.Can we get a list of OFQCs that may be worthy of a HC?

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 03:48 AM
On Sunday night, Cris Colinsworth made an interesting point about who makes good head coaches. Pointing at John Harbaugh, he mentioned that hiring a ST coach makes sense because they have a broader grasp on the talent on the roster. I would add to that the fact that it seems like hiring a "defensive" coach or "offensive" coach just brings a lack of balance.

That said, who are some of the bright ST coaches out there? DeCamellis?

I'll say this about the Chin: He's not my favorite, but if anyone understands the core aspects of "The Chiefs Way" (dominant at Arrowhead, intimidating defense), it's him.

I still like Rob Ryan, Jay Gruden, and David Shaw. Other than that, I'm open.I could live with Shaw. Especially if we get a 1st round QB.

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:03 AM
Steve Sarkisian.

Sorry Flopnuts.I'm not sold

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:11 AM
If you're looking at the college ranks (which I would not), Chip Kelly.I'm not wanting a spread offense. This is a pure college coach.

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:15 AM
Mike McCoy is kind of part of the tree after being hired by McDaniels.Mike McCoy has only one claim to fame, the Tim Tebow offense. He would be good right now if the Chiefs would bench all QBs and run a wildcat with Charles but until that happens, this one is a no.

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:22 AM
Perry Fewell is the best candidate available.

Aggressive 4-3 style, attacking defense. He even did a decent job when he was the interim head coach with Buffalo a few years ago.

We'd have to fire Pioli because he would never bring in a 4-3 coach, but firing Pioli should be a given anyway.

The answer is Perry Fewell.A DC with a DB background. I am not sure he could make the necessary calls on the offensive side of the ball.

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:28 AM
If the San Diego defense continues to improve, John Pagano is going to appear on many team's radar.

Ray Horton's another guy worth considering.I think these guys are just flash in the pans.

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:40 AM
Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs were the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative, forward thinking minds in football right now? There you go.Holgorsen is a career college guy like Chip Kelly. Bumpas is nearing retirement age. The NFL may not be his cup of tea since he hasn't made the move yet.

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:47 AM
No ****ing way would I hire Holgersen. And if you're looking at college defensive coordinators (which I would not), I'd hire Manny Diaz before anyone else.

Eliot Wolf wouldn't make a lateral move, so that's just silly. As far as Ross is concerned, my biggest fear with him would be head coaching hire. I don't care for Fewell and would puke if he hired Spagnoulo.Manny Diaz would be no more than a DC in the NFL and I'm not sure he could land that job til he had time with NFL defensive players (regardless of position).

acesn8s
10-03-2012, 04:49 AM
I'd be fine with this. (I'd also be fine with Diaz instead of Bumpas, but Bumpas may actually be better right now, so no complaints there)

My obscure pick for coach... Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald.Maybe a LB coach.

chiefzilla1501
10-03-2012, 06:27 AM
Manny Diaz would be no more than a DC in the NFL and I'm not sure he could land that job til he had time with NFL defensive players (regardless of position).

I brought up a few names in other threads. What do you think about someone like John Morton in San Fran or Gus Bradley in Seattle. Bradley is very intriguing to me. Apparently, monte kiffin was a heavy endorser and said he was a coach you can't miss out on.

acesn8s
10-04-2012, 07:05 AM
Bradley is part of the Gruden tree. Has done well as of late but struggled early as DC. As for Morton, I think it would be too big of leap to go from a WR coach to HC in the NFL. Even with his OC background at USC I don't think he would be a SB winning HC at KC.