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Deberg_1990
10-02-2012, 10:01 AM
:facepalm:



http://midwestdemocracy.com/articles/westboro-attendee-running-for-kansas-board-of-education-seat/



Jack Wu isn't shy about his beliefs.

Topeka is evil. Harry Potter promotes witchcraft. Christmas trees are pagan idols. Cancer is a judgment from God. And the teaching of evolution should be rooted out of Kansas schools because it's a satanic lie.

He also believes that America's public schools are cultivating a culture of "liars, thieves, murderers and perverts."

Outside the mainstream? It doesn't matter to Wu, running for a seat on the Kansas Board of Education.

A northern California transplant, Wu is seeking to defeat first-term Democrat Carolyn Campbell of Topeka in an admittedly uphill battle for the 4th District seat on the state school board. Uphill because he only received $5 in contributions through July, the most recent reporting period.

But Campbell is taking her Republican opponent seriously.
"I want to make sure the folks that don't know Carolyn Campbell and her record will try to get to know me and understand who my opponent is and what he stands for," Campbell said.

The 4th District covers six northeast Kansas counties and takes in parts of Topeka and Lawrence. Campbell's district became a little more Republican this year when she picked up parts of Jefferson and Pottawatomie counties when election boundaries were redrawn to adjust for the census.

Teachers union officials also worry that voters who cast ballots along straight-party lines might be unaware of Wu's background.

Wu's campaign, small as it is, comes at a time when the state school board is expected to consider new science standards, raising the prospect of revisiting the evolution debate that consumed the board in 1999 and again in 2005 -- an issue about which Wu has strong views.

Yet the 29-year-old Wu says it's better to be loved by God and live in heaven than be loved by man and rot in hell.

"The truth matters more than the opinion of other men and women," said Wu, clutching his green cloth-bound King James Bible during a recent interview on the grounds of state Capitol about a block away from the Kansas Department of Education's offices.
"The Bible says if you're hated by other people for taking a stance that's not popular, it's like a sign you're chosen by God, almost," added Wu, who describes himself as a reality television fan who works as a self-employed computer programmer and designer of video games.

His last-minute decision to file for the seat in June is drawing attention because he also attends Topeka's Westboro Baptist Church, which has gained national notoriety for picketing military funerals with signs that read, "Thank God for dead soldiers," "God hates the USA" and "God hates fags."

Last year, the church, led by the Rev. Fred Phelps, won a Supreme Court case blocking a civil lawsuit seeking damages for intentionally inflicting emotional distress at a soldier's funeral in 2006. Wu said he has joined the congregation's pickets in California and Topeka, but to the best of his recollection hasn't participated in a protest at a military funeral.
Born in Taiwan and raised in a San Francisco suburb, Wu moved to Topeka in 2008 after learning about Westboro on an Internet message board.

Wu said he was drawn to the church's all-or-nothing message of obey God or else. Westboro stands apart, he said, because its congregation confronts issues of heaven, hell and eternal fate. He believes Westboro preaches the Bible accurately and hasn't watered down its message.

Church spokesman Jonathan Phelps, the son of the church's leader, said he didn't know much about Wu. He sees Wu at church most Sundays.
"It seems like he believes what he says," Phelps said. "I think he's a nice guy."

But Campbell, 70, said she thinks Wu is negatively focused, especially with comments he's posted on his Web site about public education "preparing its students to be liars, crooks, thieves, murderers, and perverts."

"That is very sad that anyone would go that route in their thoughts about the education system," she said. "I have a lot of respect for our educators. Anyone that decides to be a teacher starts out knowing that their income isn't going to be what it could be. That shows they are dedicated to our children."

And then there's the issue of evolution.
Kansas is one of 26 states working with the National Research Council to develop voluntary standards to be used by multiple states. The proposed standards direct teachers to engage students in research in evolution and natural selection. Evolution's pivotal place in life science is not diluted, and there is no mention of creationism.

If the proposed science standards came before the board today, the vote would likely be 7 to 3 in favor, political observers believe.

However, the standards won't be complete until after the Nov. 6 school board election, when five seats will be on the ballot, including the race pitting Wu against Campbell, who favors teaching evolution.

While Wu appears to bring little firepower to the race -- he lists no support from any prominent political groups -- he's not someone who should be overlooked, especially in a heavily Republican state, said Mark Desetti, lobbyist for the Kansas National Education Association.

"We take everybody seriously, especially in a state where there is one-party dominance like there is in Kansas," Desetti said.

Desetti cautioned that voters might be more focused on the presidential race and higher profile statehouse races, so it might be easy to overlook a state school board race and just vote along party lines.

"I honestly believe that if Kansans know this guy, if they know what he says, they would not vote for him," he said. "I've read his Web site. I've read his views. As a parent, I would find them quite disturbing that he could be setting education policy for the state of Kansas."

Wu said he is a graduate of what used to be called California State University-Hayward where he was involved in student government, and also ran for the Kansas House in 2010.
Wu is well aware of the attention his latest candidacy has attracted and expects people to scoff at his beliefs. But he said his candidacy is not about being part of the political mainstream.

"If you're mainstream, you're going to hell," he said.

InChiefsHell
10-02-2012, 10:05 AM
Heh. This guy won't get elected.

Brock
10-02-2012, 10:18 AM
What's the problem? He fits right in with the rest of the bible thumping morons.

InChiefsHell
10-02-2012, 10:33 AM
What's the problem? He fits right in with the rest of the bible thumping morons.

I'd say he's a bit more extreme. JMO.

FishingRod
10-02-2012, 12:07 PM
Even in KS, the Republicans and Democrats can put aside their differences for just a moment when these D-bags come out to play.

Brock
10-02-2012, 12:09 PM
Even in KS, the Republicans and Democrats can put aside their differences for just a moment when these D-bags come out to play.

I'll bet he gets a lot of votes.

FishingRod
10-02-2012, 12:42 PM
I'll bet he gets a lot of votes.

Depends on if the members of that congregation count as a lot.


There hasn’t been as much agreement between the left and right in KS that another group deserves our universal scorn since the Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor. It wasn’t over then and it ain’t over yet.

InChiefsHell
10-02-2012, 01:02 PM
I'll bet he gets a lot of votes.

I certainly hope not, and I can't believe he would. Your perceived similarities between him and main stream Christians is off. He and his "church" are a perversion of Christian beliefs.

Brock
10-02-2012, 01:05 PM
Go ahead and tell me what percentage of the vote you think he'll get and we'll revisit this later.

cosmo20002
10-02-2012, 01:08 PM
He and his "church" are a perversion of Christian beliefs.

His correlation of homosexuality and soldiers dying, and then picketing the funeral is bizzare and needlessly cruel. But his belief that homosexuality is evil and gays will be punished in hell is hardly a perversion of Christian beliefs.

Saul Good
10-02-2012, 01:11 PM
His correlation of homosexuality and soldiers dying, and then picketing the funeral is bizzare and needlessly cruel. But his belief that homosexuality is evil and gays will be punished in hell is hardly a perversion of Christian beliefs.

Really? Why don't you show me where the New Testament discusses gays burning?

InChiefsHell
10-02-2012, 01:14 PM
His correlation of homosexuality and soldiers dying, and then picketing the funeral is bizzare and needlessly cruel. But his belief that homosexuality is evil and gays will be punished in hell is hardly a perversion of Christian beliefs.

Well, Christianity certainly teaches that homosexuality is a serious sin. And serious sin can lead one to hell. But nobody can really make that call.

But I'm Catholic, not Evangelical. Maybe they have some other doctrine. But I think it's more a perception than a reality regarding where most Christians stand to say that they all think gays go to hell. Can't speak for them all though, so maybe you are right.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 01:39 PM
What's the problem? He fits right in with the rest of the bible thumping morons.

You are free to move to another state.

Brock
10-02-2012, 01:43 PM
You are free to move to another state.

I am also free to stay here and fight the idiots.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 01:44 PM
I am also free to stay here and fight the idiots.

good luck chasing your tail.

Brock
10-02-2012, 01:45 PM
good luck chasing your tail.

Whatever that means.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 01:46 PM
Whatever that means.

Well how exactly are you fighting? You have my blessing if it involves taking down the Westboro baptist church.

Brock
10-02-2012, 01:58 PM
Well how exactly are you fighting? You have my blessing if it involves taking down the Westboro baptist church.

Well, when they do a funeral in my area, I show up on my motorcycle and drown out their bullcrap with exhaust noise. But hey, maybe I should just move out of state like you suggest and let them do whatever they want.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 01:58 PM
Well, when they do a funeral in my area, I show up on my motorcycle and drown out their bullcrap with exhaust noise. But hey, maybe I should just move out of state like you suggest and let them do whatever they want.

I doubt you are having much of an impact. I would probably approach them and tell them I want to party with them then follow that up by asking if they prefer Old Chicken or Heroin.

Radar Chief
10-02-2012, 02:01 PM
I doubt you are having much of an impact.

Families of the fallen sure do appreciate it.
PGR are some good guys.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 02:02 PM
Families of the fallen sure do appreciate it.
PGR are some good guys.

Seems like that would be just as annoying as the idiot protesters.

FishingRod
10-02-2012, 02:05 PM
The idiots do have the right to their opinions and I strongly support that right even though I find the message vile.

The exception to their activities that I believe should remain legal would be funerals, military or otherwise . Other than that, if they wish to assemble peacefully and be bigoted jag-offs, go right ahead.

Brock
10-02-2012, 02:07 PM
I doubt you are having much of an impact.

To be fair, you're kind of an idiot yourself.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 02:07 PM
To be fair, you're kind of an idiot yourself.

You're all idiot.

Brock
10-02-2012, 02:08 PM
You're all idiot.

Could be, but at least I'm not a deluded religious nut such as yourself.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 02:08 PM
Could be, but at least I'm not a deluded religious nut such as yourself.

LMAO I love it.

Radar Chief
10-02-2012, 02:09 PM
Seems like that would be just as annoying as the idiot protesters.

:shrug: Loud exhaust doesn’t bug me nearly as much as saying a friend deserved to die because of some shit that had nothing to do with anything.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 02:12 PM
:shrug: Loud exhaust doesn’t bug me nearly as much as saying a friend deserved to die because of some shit that had nothing to do with anything.

I'm sure they mean well, but I would probably approach them and talk to them to keep them distracted.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 02:14 PM
Oh and btw they were protesting something at our local Junior college out here and I did approach them and asked why they do what they do. I did not receive an answer so I informed them this is NOT what Jesus wants them to do and that they were on there way to the Lake of Fire. They were taken aback and paused for a bit at least.

Brock
10-02-2012, 02:15 PM
Oh and btw they were protesting something at our local Junior college out here and I did approach them and asked why they do what they do. I did not receive an answer so I informed them this is NOT what Jesus wants them to do and that they were on there way to the Lake of Fire. They were taken aback and paused for a bit at least.

LMAO Sure.

Radar Chief
10-02-2012, 02:17 PM
Oh and btw they were protesting something at our local Junior college out here and I did approach them and asked why they do what they do. I did not receive an answer so I informed them this is NOT what Jesus wants them to do and that they were on there way to the Lake of Fire. They were taken aback and paused for a bit at least.

Good for you. That usually incites a tirade of “you must be a fag since you love them so much”, or some similar such idiocy.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 02:17 PM
LMAO Sure.

It's not my lifelong burden to pester them, I said my piece then shook the dust off my feet and moved on.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 02:20 PM
Good for you. That usually incites a tirade of “you must be a pillowbiter since you love them so much”, or some similar such idiocy.

I've never heard a story of anyone approaching them with a biblical perspective.

Brock
10-02-2012, 02:22 PM
I've never heard a story of anyone approaching them with a biblical perspective.

You've also never heard that grieving families appreciate the patriot guard either, so I doubt you're very well versed in the matter.

Radar Chief
10-02-2012, 02:29 PM
I've never heard a story of anyone approaching them with a biblical perspective.

I’ve never heard a story of them reacting peacefully when approached so I guess that makes us even.

Fish
10-02-2012, 02:42 PM
Oh and btw they were protesting something at our local Junior college out here and I did approach them and asked why they do what they do. I did not receive an answer so I informed them this is NOT what Jesus wants them to do and that they were on there way to the Lake of Fire. They were taken aback and paused for a bit at least.

So to counter religious kooks telling other people what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of the Jesus, you tell them what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of Jesus?

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 03:25 PM
So to counter religious kooks telling other people what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of the Jesus, you tell them what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of Jesus?

Scripture and verse is all I ask for, they are bastardizing Christianity and with great power comes great responsibility.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 03:27 PM
I’ve never heard a story of them reacting peacefully when approached so I guess that makes us even.

Define peacefully, they certainly didn't attack me physically if that's what your stating.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 03:30 PM
You've also never heard that grieving families appreciate the patriot guard either, so I doubt you're very well versed in the matter.

Honestly I don't follow these idiots every move so no i don't know much about the patriot guard.

Radar Chief
10-02-2012, 03:42 PM
Define peacefully, they certainly didn't attack me physically if that's what your stating.

Not yelling obscenities. I’ve never seen nor heard of them reacting without going into a tirade of fag this or fag that. Particularly when they’re in the process of acting the ass and someone walks up questioning them and their motives.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 03:45 PM
Not yelling obscenities. I’ve never seen nor heard of them reacting without going into a tirade of pillowbiter this or pillowbiter that. Particularly when they’re in the process of acting the ass and someone walks up questioning them and their motives.

Well dear leader Fred wasn't with them, not sure if that made a difference.

Radar Chief
10-02-2012, 04:12 PM
Well dear leader Fred wasn't with them, not sure if that made a difference.

Possibly. From what I’ve seen there’s this loud mouthed chick that seems to be the main instigator. I’m assuming she’s his daughter. If she wasn’t there that might’ve made a difference too.

In fact I Googled it and this is her.
Shirley Phelps-Ropper

http://www.freethinker.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/phelps.jpg

Fish
10-02-2012, 04:27 PM
Scripture and verse is all I ask for, they are bastardizing Christianity and with great power comes great responsibility.

Well you are invoking religious judgment on them no differently than they are doing the same to others. They may have a slightly different(hateful) view, but you're doing the exact same thing to a lesser degree. They are just as convinced they're spreading God's word as you are.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 11:36 PM
Well you are invoking religious judgment on them no differently than they are doing the same to others. They may have a slightly different(hateful) view, but you're doing the exact same thing to a lesser degree. They are just as convinced they're spreading God's word as you are.

Except they are in direct opposition to what Jesus preached, there is truth and there are lies and no middle ground.

Fish
10-02-2012, 11:39 PM
Except they are in direct opposition to what Jesus preached, there is truth and there are lies and no middle ground.

(According to your interpretation)

KILLER_CLOWN
10-02-2012, 11:47 PM
(According to your interpretation)

Is there a Hate filled version I'm not aware of? Could you link me to a bible that puts Jesus in the hating mold?

Brock
10-03-2012, 12:12 AM
Except they are in direct opposition to what Jesus preached, there is truth and there are lies and no middle ground.

What lies are they telling, according to the bible?

KILLER_CLOWN
10-03-2012, 12:20 AM
What lies are they telling, according to the bible?

I'll give you one example

Die Fags Die?

That should be obvious, Jesus warned against wanting death and hell as he stated we're supposed to pray for our enemies. Peter wanted to burn up a village for not wanting to Hear Jesus, he told Peter he knew not what spirit he was of and also stated he came to bring life not death as we're born as dead mens bones and need to be saved. It's hard to save people while you curse them, see what I mean? We're supposed to be teaching by loving our brethren not condemning them to hell, We are STRICTLY forbidden from such.

Brock
10-03-2012, 12:36 AM
I'll give you one example

Die pillowbiters Die?

That should be obvious, Jesus warned against wanting death and hell as he stated we're supposed to pray for our enemies. Peter wanted to burn up a village for not wanting to Hear Jesus, he told Peter he knew not what spirit he was of and also stated he came to bring life not death as we're born as dead mens bones and need to be saved. It's hard to save people while you curse them, see what I mean? We're supposed to be teaching by loving our brethren not condemning them to hell, We are STRICTLY forbidden from such.

I commend you on your tolerance for others, but every single thing they say either verbally or on their signs are based in biblical scripture as interpreted by them. Whether their general nasty attitude goes against Christ's teachings is a matter of opinion.

Fish
10-03-2012, 12:41 AM
I'll give you one example

Die pillowbiters Die?

That should be obvious, Jesus warned against wanting death and hell as he stated we're supposed to pray for our enemies. Peter wanted to burn up a village for not wanting to Hear Jesus, he told Peter he knew not what spirit he was of and also stated he came to bring life not death as we're born as dead mens bones and need to be saved. It's hard to save people while you curse them, see what I mean? We're supposed to be teaching by loving our brethren not condemning them to hell, We are STRICTLY forbidden from such.

Interdasting.....

Oh and btw they were protesting something at our local Junior college out here and I did approach them and asked why they do what they do. I did not receive an answer so I informed them this is NOT what Jesus wants them to do and that they were on there way to the Lake of Fire. They were taken aback and paused for a bit at least.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-03-2012, 01:11 AM
Interdasting.....

What is?

Is there a difference between Die Fags Die and what you are doing will not end well for you?

KILLER_CLOWN
10-03-2012, 01:12 AM
I commend you on your tolerance for others, but every single thing they say either verbally or on their signs are based in biblical scripture as interpreted by them. Whether their general nasty attitude goes against Christ's teachings is a matter of opinion.

Oh it is 100% certain Christ DID NOT teach hate.