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John_Wayne
10-02-2012, 12:54 PM
I heard this being discussed on the radio today. Yes, I would like a new HC for next season. I never was sold on Crennel. My pick would be, and always has been, Cowher. My close second choice woudl be Gruden. But, I would be OK with Billick.

Would you have a problem with any of these three guys being HC and GM? Supposedly, Cowher would probably want to wear the GM hat too.

Obviously, if you choose "other" please state who and why.

Exoter175
10-02-2012, 12:55 PM
Cowher, but I'd probably place Billick 2nd, and then add in Kirk Ferentz 3rd.

BoneKrusher
10-02-2012, 12:55 PM
Cowher Power.

KCUnited
10-02-2012, 12:55 PM
Mother**** all 3, the game has passed by them all, imo.

bevischief
10-02-2012, 01:04 PM
Someone who's young and hungry, the football gods on here have posted them many times before same with GM.

Beerthirty
10-02-2012, 01:10 PM
Gruden or some other offensive minded coach. Then he would Have to bring a defense that attacks like Pittsburgh and bring the linebackers. Also sell the draft for Geno Smith but rather tank the season and Have the 1st pick in every round. QB LB SS Move Berry to Fs

penguinz
10-02-2012, 01:10 PM
Why are people so obsessed with the chin?

TEX
10-02-2012, 01:13 PM
Why are people so obsessed with the chin?

Because he would restore the brand of football that defines KC.

BoneKrusher
10-02-2012, 01:14 PM
Why are people so obsessed with the chin?

speaking for myself:
he would put a team on the field that i could say "yeah the Chiefs are my team" and not be embarrassed.

Grim
10-02-2012, 01:15 PM
None of the above.

keg in kc
10-02-2012, 01:15 PM
Out of that group, Gruden. By a mile. I would want somebody younger, though. I think they had the right idea with Haley, he just turned out to be the wrong guy. I want the next great coach, not a retread.

Fish
10-02-2012, 01:16 PM
Come on guys... think forward. Quit clinging to the past. It's a different game, and these guys were phased out of it for a reason. We need a new, fresh approach. We need a coach who will understand the future of the game of football, not what it was 15 years past.

Demonpenz
10-02-2012, 01:16 PM
Greg Loyd and Kevin Greene has our linebackers coaches,

Sofa King
10-02-2012, 01:20 PM
Come on guys... think forward. Quit clinging to the past. It's a different game, and these guys were phased out of it for a reason. We need a new, fresh approach. We need a coach who will understand the future of the game of football, not what it was 15 years past.

This

Sofa King
10-02-2012, 01:21 PM
Greg Loyd and Kevin Greene has our linebackers coaches,

Neil O'donnell as our QB coach.

pimpchief
10-02-2012, 01:26 PM
Come on guys... think forward. Quit clinging to the past. It's a different game, and these guys were phased out of it for a reason. We need a new, fresh approach. We need a coach who will understand the future of the game of football, not what it was 15 years past.

None of those three guys are stupid. None of those three guys have taken any time off from studying the game of football. If they choose to return to coaching, they know what the game is now, and they'll only return if they have confidence they can adapt.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 01:28 PM
Because he would restore the brand of football that defines KC.

Defined by whom?

saphojunkie
10-02-2012, 01:28 PM
Come on guys... think forward. Quit clinging to the past. It's a different game, and these guys were phased out of it for a reason. We need a new, fresh approach. We need a coach who will understand the future of the game of football, not what it was 15 years past.

Cowher wasn't phased out. He left after a Super Bowl because his wife died.

He would fix the defense for sure and has always drafted well.

However, NO COACH has EVER won a Super Bowl with two different franchises. Hiring one of these guys would mean you are rebuilding without the hope of winning it all. They'd likely have to pass the baton for that to happen.

dannybcaitlyn
10-02-2012, 01:28 PM
Cowher all the way!

DJ's left nut
10-02-2012, 01:28 PM
Gimme a defensive HC every single time.

Your coordinators create your game plan, your HC instills attitude. Defensive minded HCs create a more cohesive, aggressive attitude throughout their entire team.

It seems to suggest I would be pro-Cowher but ultimately I went Billick. I know his background is as an OC, but he did a great job with his defenses in Baltimore and really showed that he knew how to operate on both sides of the ball.

Ultimately I wouldn't want any of them, but if forced to pick between those 3, gimme Billick.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 01:32 PM
Cowher wasn't phased out. He left after a Super Bowl because his wife died.

His wife didn't die until three and a half years after he retired.

He would fix the defense for sure and has always drafted well.

He didn't run the drafts: That was Dan Rooney, Tom Donahoe and later, Kevin Colbert.

And Pittsburgh's drafts have been poor the past ten years. They didn't draft a first round QB for 24 years.

However, NO COACH has EVER won a Super Bowl with two different franchises. Hiring one of these guys would mean you are rebuilding without the hope of winning it all. They'd likely have to pass the baton for that to happen.

Cowher's 55 years old and has been out of the game since December 2006. I don't think he would adapt well to the current pass-happy league.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 01:34 PM
Ultimately I wouldn't want any of them, but if forced to pick between those 3, gimme Billick.

I cannot foresee a scenario which any of the guys listed would become head coach of the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs clean house and bring in a young GM, it's likely that GM will hire a younger coach, not a guy old enough to be their dad.

Fish
10-02-2012, 01:35 PM
None of those three guys are stupid. None of those three guys have taken any time off from studying the game of football. If they choose to return to coaching, they know what the game is now, and they'll only return if they have confidence they can adapt.

Their intelligence level is irrelevant. Each of them are obviously very smart to have the success they had. It's their approach to the game that is too old. That's what's been phased out. You can't simply bring in a smash mouth type coach, and expect smash mouth football to work because it had success at one point in the past. Football philosophies don't really evolve much, in the heads of old coaches. Which is why we have the statistic showing that coaches don't win superbowls with Team #2. Also why Romeo is currently floundering...

DJ's left nut
10-02-2012, 01:37 PM
I cannot foresee a scenario which any of the guys listed would become head coach of the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs clean house and bring in a young GM, it's likely that GM will hire a younger coach, not a guy old enough to be their dad.

Nor can I.

Well no, that's not true. I think if the Chiefs offered Cowher complete control, he'd come. And probably Billick as well.

Give them the 'Belichick' package and I'll bet they'd give it a go. They'd probably do a half-assed job and suck pretty terribly, but they'd try, IMO.

Like I said - I don't like this plan, just answering the poll.

pimpchief
10-02-2012, 01:42 PM
Their intelligence level is irrelevant. Each of them are obviously very smart to have the success they had. It's their approach to the game that is too old. That's what's been phased out. You can't simply bring in a smash mouth type coach, and expect smash mouth football to work because it had success at one point in the past. Football philosophies don't really evolve much, in the heads of old coaches.

That's where these guys' intelligence comes into play. I don't think any of these guys would return to football without being educated enough to know they have to change philosophies.

OnTheWarpath58
10-02-2012, 01:51 PM
I cannot foresee a scenario which any of the guys listed would become head coach of the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs clean house and bring in a young GM, it's likely that GM will hire a younger coach, not a guy old enough to be their dad.

I could see DeCosta taking another lap with Billick, but that's about it.

whoman69
10-02-2012, 01:52 PM
However, NO COACH has EVER won a Super Bowl with two different franchises. Hiring one of these guys would mean you are rebuilding without the hope of winning it all. They'd likely have to pass the baton for that to happen.

This point needs to be repeated

tooge
10-02-2012, 01:52 PM
Gruden. He is a go getter. He lives and breathes offense and quarterback play. If he was paired with a solid 3-4 attack style defensive coordinator, I would be pretty excited. I'd be concerned about Cower now that the game is so dependent on stellar QB play as opposed to the days when he was coaching and a game manager with a good defense behind him could get it done. Don't want Billick.

BigMeatballDave
10-02-2012, 02:01 PM
NONE OF THEM

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:14 PM
I could see DeCosta taking another lap with Billick, but that's about it.

That crossed my mind but I didn't post it because I really doubt he'd go that route. I could see him reaching for Rob Ryan before Billick. I don't think Billick's undeserving by any means but I don't think he's the right guy right now for the Chiefs.

But that said, I doubt DeCosta leaves Baltimore and I seriously doubt that Clark would even attempt to pry him away because it would cost a fortune.

Considering that Clark will still owe Pioli a reported $5 million if he fires Poili at the end of 2012, I think we'll see more of an "under the radar" guy like Eliot Wolf or Marc Ross take over - a Ryan Grigson/Thomas Dimitroff kind of guy.

I'd shit my pants if he went after Polian. I truly hope that isn't the case.

beach tribe
10-02-2012, 02:14 PM
If Tom Caughlin was available, people would say the game has passed him by.

saphojunkie
10-02-2012, 02:18 PM
The shame of it all is that Todd Haley was the right move on paper. Young, up and coming coach. It was the right idea and the wrong execution.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:20 PM
If Tom Caughlin was available, people would say the game has passed him by.

The difference being that Coughlin has continually coached throughout his career. Billick and Cowher have been out of the game for more than five seasons each and Gruden's been out four.

BigMeatballDave
10-02-2012, 02:21 PM
I'd shit my pants if he went after Polian. I truly hope that isn't the case.

Or Charley Casserly :D

OnTheWarpath58
10-02-2012, 02:21 PM
That crossed my mind but I didn't post it because I really doubt he'd go that route. I could see him reaching for Rob Ryan before Billick. I don't think Billick's undeserving by any means but I don't think he's the right guy right now for the Chiefs.

But that said, I doubt DeCosta leaves Baltimore and I seriously doubt that Clark would even attempt to pry him away because it would cost a fortune.

Considering that Clark will still owe Pioli a reported $5 million if he fires Poili at the end of 2012, I think we'll see more of an "under the radar" guy like Eliot Wolf or Marc Ross take over - a Ryan Grigson/Thomas Dimitroff kind of guy.

I'd shit my pants if he went after Polian. I truly hope that isn't the case.

I tend to agree with this. And for the record, I'd be pretty happy with a guy like Wolf if DeCosta wasn't available.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:21 PM
The shame of it all is that Todd Haley was the right move on paper. Young, up and coming coach. It was the right idea and the wrong execution.

I'd agree but only if there was no prior connection. Hiring a guy that worked for your father-in-law isn't much of a stretch.

Dayze
10-02-2012, 02:25 PM
out of that Group. Billick

Mr. Flopnuts
10-02-2012, 02:26 PM
Cowher wasn't phased out. He left after a Super Bowl because his wife died.

He would fix the defense for sure and has always drafted well.

However, NO COACH has EVER won a Super Bowl with two different franchises. Hiring one of these guys would mean you are rebuilding without the hope of winning it all. They'd likely have to pass the baton for that to happen.

This point needs to be repeated

And it needs to be repeated again. I haven't even allowed myself to think about it. I know people will call me nuts, but Bobby Petrino is a guy I would ABSOLUTELY talk too. Jay Gruden is another guy that intrigues me to some degree. I'd have to put some thought into it from there.

Here's the thing on Petrino. He walked into an absolutely fucked situation in Atlanta. Yeah what he did was fucked, but ultimately, he didn't sign up for a rebuild. The situation changed considerably when he got there. He's a helluva coach. Don't believe me? Look at Arkansas now. Same fucking players. I think he would be successful here.

Ultimately, none of it fucking matters without a competent QB. Notice I didn't say exceptional.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:28 PM
I tend to agree with this. And for the record, I'd be pretty happy with a guy like Wolf if DeCosta wasn't available.

I think (and it's only speculation at this point) that Wolf would be an excellent hire. He's done a great job in Green Bay and has his father's ear. But with that said, as GM only. None of this handing the franchise over to one guy nonsense.

Clark needs to hire a football administrator to hire a football GM. That's one of the reasons I agreed with ChiefsCountry about Russ Ball yesterday. Ball would be the perfect choice as President with Wolf as his GM, then hire a coach and work as a committee instead of a dictatorship.

I realize that Clark, like his father, just wants to hire ONE GUY to run everything but that just isn't a reality in today's NFL. It's not a part time job, like it was in the 60's and 70's and it's WAY too much to handle for one guy.

I firmly believe that 2008's excellent draft class wasn't an accident: All of the draft decisions had been stripped from Carl, so Kuharich and the scouts worked with Herm to create the best draft class in decades for the Chiefs.

This is the type of scenario that needs to happen if the Chiefs to be successful moving forward.

Chiefspants
10-02-2012, 02:31 PM
None of the above?

I don't understand the fascination with retread head coaches, a head coach has never won a super bowl with two different teams.

Discuss Thrower
10-02-2012, 02:33 PM
If you could find a way to nail Petrino's dick to the wall and force him here for a minimum of two seasons, I'd say go for it.

It might lead to Miami Dolphins '12-'13 part 2: Electric Boogaloo, but it's better than retreads.

fan4ever
10-02-2012, 02:33 PM
I would vote Gruden just to get him the f*ck off MNF...I can't stand his over-hyped remarks about every player on the field...

Bump
10-02-2012, 02:34 PM
honestly at this point I'd be ok with any of them. Fuck it.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:35 PM
Petrino will never gain the trust of an NFL owner, ever again.

He's a brilliant offensive mind but the guy is a train wreck off the football field.

CaliforniaChief
10-02-2012, 02:41 PM
Petrino will never gain the trust of an NFL owner, ever again.

He's a brilliant offensive mind but the guy is a motorcycle wreck off the football field.

FYP

Discuss Thrower
10-02-2012, 02:41 PM
Petrino will never gain the trust of an NFL owner, ever again.

He's a brilliant offensive mind but the guy is a train wreck off the football field.

But what's worse: his ditching of Atlanta after the Vick thing or his screwing of another's wife along with abusing his position as a program head in college?

Mr. Flopnuts
10-02-2012, 02:50 PM
Petrino will never gain the trust of an NFL owner, ever again.

He's a brilliant offensive mind but the guy is a train wreck off the football field.

I think you're right. But I'd take the chance on him, because frankly, I don't care who he fucks if we win football games. But I don't think he'll ever coach in the NFL again.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:53 PM
I think you're right. But I'd take the chance on him, because frankly, I don't care who he fucks if we win football games. But I don't think he'll ever coach in the NFL again.

I'm with you there. I just don't think any NFL owner trusts him again.

I'm guessing he'll get another shot soon at a BCS school. I'd sure take him at Kansas over Charlie Weis!

Richard_Cuckold
10-02-2012, 02:54 PM
Cowher all the way.
He'd at least make the Chiefs competitive

Chiefspants
10-02-2012, 02:54 PM
I'm with you there. I just don't think any NFL owner trusts him again.

I'm guessing he'll get another shot soon at a BCS school. I'd sure take him at Kansas over Charlie Weis!

Idk about that, we've assembled a super bowl caliber staff here in Lawrence.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:55 PM
But what's worse: his ditching of Atlanta after the Vick thing or his screwing of another's wife along with abusing his position as a program head in college?


Quitting 13 games into his rookie season is far worse than bangin' some broad. It shows a true lack of responsibility, not only to the owner and players but to the fans as well.

If he had finished the season and parted ways with Atlanta, I think that he'd get another shot, affair and all. But he just didn't burn a bridge with Arthur Blank in 2007, he burned that bridge with every NFL owner.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:57 PM
Idk about that, we've assembled a super bowl caliber staff here in Lawrence.

I like Charlie Weis and think that he'll do a fine job at KU. But in all honesty, Petrino has a far better head coaching resume than Weis at the college level.

Look no further than Arkansas's collapse this season as proof.

listopencil
10-02-2012, 02:57 PM
However, NO COACH has EVER won a Super Bowl with two different franchises.

Yeah, the thing is, no coach is going to step in to KC and immediately turn the Chiefs into a dominant team. You guys need to make the move from shitty, to respectable, to contender. Give a guy like Cowher (or maybe Gruden) four years to build up your franchise. Let him put a staff together but stay on the lookout for an up and coming coordinator. I know that the ultimate goal for every team every year is to win the Super Bowl. That's great. My ultimate goal is to be happy, peaceful and wise. That's not going to happen every day, and KC isn't going to win the Super Bowl every year.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 02:57 PM
Cowher all the way.
He'd at least make the Chiefs competitive

Billick and Gruden would make them "competitive" but none of these guy is "The Answer".

Chiefspants
10-02-2012, 02:58 PM
I like Charlie Weis and think that he'll do a fine job at KU. But in all honesty, Petrino has a far better head coaching resume than Weis at the college level.

Look no further than Arkansas's collapse this season as proof.

Oh, I think he may end up lifting us from laughing stock status, I was moreso referring to the inane expectations people had for him around campus earlier this year.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 03:00 PM
Oh, I think he may end up lifting us from laughing stock status, I was moreso referring to the inane expectations people had for him around campus earlier this year.

Eh, well, you're all college kids. It's fun to be positive! When I was at K-State, they were awful and we wore beer cartons on our heads during the games. When I later transferred to KU, no one even attended the football games.

At least you have something to get excited about! :)

Chiefspants
10-02-2012, 03:05 PM
Eh, well, you're all college kids. It's fun to be positive! When I was at K-State, they were awful and we wore beer cartons on our heads during the games. When I later transferred to KU, no one even attended the football games.

At least you have something to get excited about! :)

Basketball season is around the corner...after all. ;)

In all seriousness, football has always been my favorite sport, and I can not tell you how awesome it would be if we became respectable again. Soft schedule or not, the 2007 season was incredible, (I also loved the 2003, 2005 and 2008 seasons, we were in no way a powerhouse, but simply to be in bowl contention was something to be excited about.) People often criticize KU students for being fair-weathered about football, but, I think we're merely suffering from the same disease that's being inflicted on Chiefs and Royals fans; after so many years of futility, people just lose hope.

gblowfish
10-02-2012, 03:08 PM
Dig up Vince Lombardi, get some DNA, clone him.

Beerthirty
10-02-2012, 03:38 PM
With the players we have now. If Marty started next week coaching the Chiefs. We would win this crappy division. We would get our asses handed to us in the playoffs but we would make the playoffs even with Cassel.

Chocolate Hog
10-02-2012, 03:41 PM
Cowher is a winner and can build an organization. All the hate for him on here makes about as much sense as the hate for Trent Green.

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 03:43 PM
Yeah, the thing is, no coach is going to step in to KC and immediately turn the Chiefs into a dominant team. You guys need to make the move from shitty, to respectable, to contender. Give a guy like Cowher (or maybe Gruden) four years to build up your franchise. Let him put a staff together but stay on the lookout for an up and coming coordinator. I know that the ultimate goal for every team every year is to win the Super Bowl. That's great. My ultimate goal is to be happy, peaceful and wise. That's not going to happen every day, and KC isn't going to win the Super Bowl every year.

You put a good qb on this roster behind a ood head coach, and this is a very good team.

Reerun_KC
10-02-2012, 03:44 PM
Fuck Cowher and his face...

Chiefspants
10-02-2012, 03:44 PM
Cowher is a winner and can build an organization. All the hate for him on here makes about as much sense as the hate for Trent Green.

While I agree that the hate for Trent is ridiculous, I've just seen zero evidence that a super bowl winning retread possesses the full commitment to take a new team to the promise land.

Chocolate Hog
10-02-2012, 03:47 PM
I'm not sure Cowher would win a super bowl here.

What I can say is Arrowhead would be full again and the team would be competitive.

I also would say with Cowher there would be an aggressive move made for a QB and signing some solid players in the off season. None of this Ropati Pitoitua bullshit.

Sorter
10-02-2012, 03:48 PM
Mike Zimmer or Chud please.

BigMeatballDave
10-02-2012, 03:52 PM
None of this Ropati Pitoitua bullshit.

The irony of this is he had 2 sacks Sunday.

:)

Chocolate Hog
10-02-2012, 03:53 PM
Chud please.


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BigMeatballDave
10-02-2012, 03:55 PM
Cowher is a winner and can build an organization. All the hate for him on here makes about as much sense as the hate for Trent Green.

You know full well NO HC has ever won a SB with 2 different teams.

Why go this route?

Find a new way.

I don't just want competitive, I want a SB win.

Chocolate Hog
10-02-2012, 03:58 PM
You know full well NO HC has ever won a SB with 2 different teams.

Why go this route?

Find a new way.

I don't just want competitive, I want a SB win.

Cowher is my 3rd option he's better than Billick or Gruden.

BigMeatballDave
10-02-2012, 04:04 PM
Cowher is my 3rd option he's better than Billick or Gruden.

I don't want any of them.

htismaqe
10-02-2012, 04:30 PM
I don't want any of them.

Me either.

Iconic
10-02-2012, 04:33 PM
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DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 05:23 PM
Mike Zimmer or Chud please.

What has Chud ever done that makes him worthy of a head coaching position?

KCTitus
10-02-2012, 05:30 PM
If I have learned anything over the years, its that past success does not necessarily mean anything. A prime example is bringing Pioli in as GM. It was what everyone wanted and we see where that has gotten the team.

This franchise lacks a quality...its a culture of winning and a refusal to accept anything other than success. This club has suffered from culture of losing for way too long. They have failed to do anything substantial since Joe Montana, in spite of Marty and I think that says something.

Today, in this QB driven league, it's even more so. The coaches/GM need to recognize this and make the moves to bring in the talent. If they cannot or will not do that, they need to be replaced.

whoman69
10-02-2012, 05:30 PM
Lightning does not strike twice.

Sorter
10-02-2012, 05:32 PM
What has Chud ever done that makes him worthy of a head coaching position?

Helped Cam Newton, who nearly everyone and their mother thought was going to have a horrible rookie season have a wonderful season that revitalized Steve Smith's career.

Plenty of head coaches aren't selected because they are necessarily "worthy". Philbin wasn't "worthy". He didn't even call plays. However, he seems like a quality head coach in the making.

Rausch
10-02-2012, 05:34 PM
If I have learned anything over the years, its that past success does not necessarily mean anything. A prime example is bringing Pioli in as GM. It was what everyone wanted and we see where that has gotten the team.

This franchise lacks a quality...its a culture of winning and a refusal to accept anything other than success. This club has suffered from culture of losing for way too long. They have failed to do anything substantial since Joe Montana, in spite of Marty and I think that says something.

Today, in this QB driven league, it's even more so. The coaches/GM need to recognize this and make the moves to bring in the talent. If they cannot or will not do that, they need to be replaced.

This franchise has no identity.

There is no blueprint.

Every time we change HC's or GM's it's like we build 1/3 of a house and when it doesn't look right we hire a completely different crew and switch from a ranch style to colonial.

We jump on whatever bandwagon has won last.

Winning franchises don't do that. Pitt knows what they want to be and they hire HC's and sign/draft players to fit that.

The fucking owner needs a vision of what HE wants and then needs to hire the best people to make that vision work...

DaWolf
10-02-2012, 05:43 PM
Chin. Provides toughness, stability, has developed a franchise QB, and is a guy players want to play for. Billick could never develop an offense in BMore and hasn't shown the ability to develop a franchise QB. Gruden is notorious for telling guys one thing and doing another, and for collecting old vets and also has never developed a young franchise QB. I could live with Gruden but I doubt he would succeed as much as Chin...

CaliforniaChief
10-02-2012, 05:45 PM
This franchise has no identity.

There is no blueprint.

Every time we change HC's or GM's it's like we build 1/3 of a house and when it doesn't look right we hire a completely different crew and switch from a ranch style to colonial.

We jump on whatever bandwagon has won last.

Winning franchises don't do that. Pitt knows what they want to be and they hire HC's and sign/draft players to fit that.

The fucking owner needs a vision of what HE wants and then needs to hire the best people to make that vision work...

Well said. We need to be the trend-setters. That's why neither Billick, Cowher, or Gruden can be the point man moving forward.

Chiefnj2
10-02-2012, 05:46 PM
Pick a GM first and then worry about the coach. Beware of retread hired guns.

BigMeatballDave
10-02-2012, 05:48 PM
has developed a franchise QB, .

He has nothing, NOTHING to do with developing Ben.

Nothing.

htismaqe
10-02-2012, 05:51 PM
Lightning does not strike twice.

This.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 06:01 PM
Helped Cam Newton, who nearly everyone and their mother thought was going to have a horrible rookie season have a wonderful season that revitalized Steve Smith's career.

I attribute Cam's season last year to Warren Moon, not Chud. Furthermore, Newton has definitely taken a step backward this year (which isn't surprising).

Plenty of head coaches aren't selected because they are necessarily "worthy". Philbin wasn't "worthy". He didn't even call plays. However, he seems like a quality head coach in the making.

Philbin's 51 years old. He's spent 28 years coaching, most of the past decade in Green Bay, one of the most successful franchises in the league.

Chud has about half that experience and his only stops as OC's have been average at best. I just don't see anything about his resume that screams "Head Coach".

He'd be better of going back to Miami or some other high level college program, thus proving he's worthy of a gig.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 06:01 PM
Why would anyone advocate hiring a guy that hasn't coached in five years or more?

BigMeatballDave
10-02-2012, 06:13 PM
Why would anyone advocate hiring a guy that hasn't coached in five years or more?

And there's another strike against these guys.

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 06:15 PM
While I agree that the hate for Trent is ridiculous, I've just seen zero evidence that a super bowl winning retread possesses the full commitment to take a new team to the promise land.

This is how I feel too.

Hire a good GM. Hire a head coach under that GM that's not going to be so powerful that he wants supreme control over personnel decisions.

I think young guys have a hell of a lot more fire and there are a lot of real good ones who can run a quality team if you give them the chance.

For example, a Jay Gruden. Or Mike Miller of Arizona (has a very nice resume). Hell, a few guys on the 49ers staff -- love that team, because they are so technically proficient. Fangio or what about John Morton (kind of like this guy. Seems like a real fiery guy)?

I just don't want to get stuck on stale candidates that get discussed every year. Go for an up and comer.

Dave Lane
10-02-2012, 06:15 PM
Because he would restore the brand of football that defines KC.

Mediocre but steady?

PRIEST
10-02-2012, 06:20 PM
Out of the list Gruden .

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 06:34 PM
Here you go. Here's a guy with some fire and he's coaching one hell of a defense in Seattle right now. Watch Gus Bradley's tirade in the middle.

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JoeyChuckles
10-02-2012, 08:18 PM
Football is currently in an offense first style. This replaced the defense first style of the early 2000's. Therefore, we need an offense first coach.

Rausch
10-02-2012, 08:19 PM
Football is currently in an offense first style. This replaced the defense first style of the early 2000's. Therefore, we need an offense first coach.

Keep chasing that dragon!

Dayze
10-02-2012, 08:20 PM
I wouldn't mind having us one of them attacking style coaches, instead of playing not to lose. I think that would be neat

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 08:31 PM
Football is currently in an offense first style. This replaced the defense first style of the early 2000's. Therefore, we need an offense first coach.

Having a defensive first defense doesn't keep you from hiring an offensive coordinator with firepower. The key is that you have a head coach who gets his players to play with fire and discipline.

chiefzilla1501
10-02-2012, 08:34 PM
Football is currently in an offense first style. This replaced the defense first style of the early 2000's. Therefore, we need an offense first coach.

Here's the other key point...
I want to aggressively go after a QB. I want an aggressive offense.

But here's the reality. We exaggerate the criticalness of an elite offense in the modern NFL. The fact is, what's critical is that you luck into getting an elite Quarterback.

But you can't build your team around the gamble that you get an elite QB. If you don't have an elite QB, it doesn't hurt to have a defensive minded head coach.

Three7s
10-02-2012, 08:36 PM
I'd go all-in for Cowher. The reason for me is simple. In my opinion, the Chiefs had their best defenses in the early 90s with him as our DC, including getting the best out of Derrick Thomas. Ever wonder what he could do with Hali and Houston? That entices me greatly.

One thing that would be a guarantee with Cowher is that the team would NEVER be soft, which is almost a guarantee with Crennel.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 08:41 PM
I'd go all-in for Cowher. The reason for me is simple. In my opinion, the Chiefs had their best defenses in the early 90s with him as our DC, including getting the best out of Derrick Thomas. Ever wonder what he could do with Hali and Houston? That entices me greatly.

One thing that would be a guarantee with Cowher is that the team would NEVER be soft, which is almost a guarantee with Crennel.

Cowher didn't coordinate any defense in Pittsburgh

Chocolate Hog
10-02-2012, 09:36 PM
What has Chud ever done that makes him worthy of a head coaching position?

He's been a successful offensive coordinator and position coach in both college and the pros.

He's the only one who's made the Cleveland offense the last 10 years worth a shit. The year before Chud took over in Carolina that offense was one of the worst. When he took over it was a top 10.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 09:42 PM
He's been a successful offensive coordinator and position coach in both college and the pros.

He's the only one who's made the Cleveland offense the last 10 years worth a shit. The year before Chud took over in Carolina that offense was one of the worst. When he took over it was a top 10.

I'm sorry, I disagree. He coordinated Miami's offense for a few years - where are the great players from that era? Where's the QB? And while he had nice year with Cleveland, it was one year.

IMO, the guy is LUCKY he gets to work with Cam Newton and should be grateful that he worked with Ron Rivera in San Diego. Otherwise, the dude would be a position coach.

Hoover
10-02-2012, 09:47 PM
We need a HC who can develop a QB, its that simple.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 09:52 PM
We need a HC who can develop a QB, its that simple.

No.

The Chiefs need an offensive minded head coach that will PLAY a rookie QB from Day One.

They need an offensive coordinator that will game plan around the rookie QB's strengths and hide his weaknesses as much as possible.

And they need a strong, experienced QB coach.

Psyko Tek
10-02-2012, 11:04 PM
Because he would restore the brand of football that defines KC.

well fucxk just get marty back

Psyko Tek
10-02-2012, 11:07 PM
I do not think HC is the problem think is the big canoli

head coach give me crazy ass todd
gm marty
owner of in the far east watching boys in shorts kicking balls
hey what ever keeps him out of football

crazycoffey
10-02-2012, 11:29 PM
I like gruden and billick

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2012, 11:52 PM
gm marty


What? The guy who was fired in multiple cities because he insisted on personnel control when he was clueless?

Mike fucking Junkin. #5 overall. GREAT Pick, Marty!

Rausch
10-03-2012, 12:09 AM
I do not think HC is the problem think is the big canoli

head coach give me crazy ass todd
gm marty

Full......retart...

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crazycoffey
10-03-2012, 12:31 AM
Full......retart...

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Soooooo, cp as SNAFU as always?

Rausch
10-04-2012, 07:14 PM
Well said. We need to be the trend-setters. That's why neither Billick, Cowher, or Gruden can be the point man moving forward.

We could, but only if they fit our vision of what the owner (in a perfect world where Clark has a clear vision of what he want's) agrees...

buddha
10-04-2012, 11:23 PM
I would love to have any of the three coaches initially mentioned.

BossChief
10-05-2012, 12:18 AM
Why would anyone advocate hiring a guy that hasn't coached in five years or more?

Because of a few reasons

1) his defensive philosophy meshes PERFECTLY with the strengths of our defensive personnel.

2) he has a lot of ties to Pittsburgh and they have always had the formula for winning.

3) he knows it takes a franchise quarterback to win.

4) he has ties to KC and wouldn't need to completely overhaul the roster to make us competitive and if he gets a quarterback we could contend inside of 2 years.

DaneMcCloud
10-05-2012, 12:26 AM
Because of a few reasons

1) his defensive philosophy meshes PERFECTLY with the strengths of our defensive personnel.

2) he has a lot of ties to Pittsburgh and they have always had the formula for winning.

3) he knows it takes a franchise quarterback to win.

4) he has ties to KC and wouldn't need to completely overhaul the roster to make us competitive and if he gets a quarterback we could contend inside of 2 years.

Bullshit.

All of it.

Plus, he clearly has NO desire to coach again at age 55, so why drag him back in?

NJChiefsFan
10-05-2012, 12:37 AM
Bullshit.

All of it.

Plus, he clearly has NO desire to coach again at age 55, so why drag him back in?

It's not like he always had an elite QB. I never got the impression he was always desperate or believed that it's all he needed.

Sorter
10-05-2012, 12:38 AM
Bullshit.

All of it.

Plus, he clearly has NO desire to coach again at age 55, so why drag him back in?

Not all of it is bullshit.

1. Cowher's philosophy does mesh well, especially considering the personnel we have.

2. Valid.

3. Meh. He did play Kordell Stewart and Maddox

4. Definitely agree with this. Although, Cowher will likely overturn the roster due to change from 2 to 1-gap and from a regime change.


That being said, I still don't want Cowher unless he could steal Keith Butler away from Pittsburgh.

That for me, is the only way I could personally enjoy Cowher being here (success notwithstanding)

DaneMcCloud
10-05-2012, 12:56 AM
Not all of it is bullshit.

1. Cowher's philosophy does mesh well, especially considering the personnel we have.

2. Valid.

3. Meh. He did play Kordell Stewart and Maddox

4. Definitely agree with this. Although, Cowher will likely overturn the roster due to change from 2 to 1-gap and from a regime change.


That being said, I still don't want Cowher unless he could steal Keith Butler away from Pittsburgh.

That for me, is the only way I could personally enjoy Cowher being here (success notwithstanding)

LMAO

Did Bill Walsh quit the year after he won his first Super Bowl?

Lombardi? Landry? Noll? Shanahan? Billick? McCarthy?

How about Holmgren? Flores? Belichick? Coughlin?

Do you "get it" or not?

DaneMcCloud
10-05-2012, 12:58 AM
It's not like he always had an elite QB. I never got the impression he was always desperate or believed that it's all he needed.

Cowher dint believe in it, either.

Kent Graham, Mike Tomczack, Tommy Maddox, etc.

Sorter
10-05-2012, 01:02 AM
LMAO

Did Bill Walsh quit the year after he won his first Super Bowl?

Lombardi? Landry? Noll? Shanahan? Billick? McCarthy?

How about Holmgren? Flores? Belichick? Coughlin?

Do you "get it" or not?

If you're trying to say that every human being has the same reasoning and motivations to continue in a difficult line of work that is taxing notbonly physically but mentally as well, IDK what to say to you. Besides the obvious fact that is is ignorant and incorrect.


I know plenty of people who are Olympic and NCAA champs who didn't compete and who didn't have the same level of motivation after winning a championship. Not every person is the same.


That being said, I DON'T WANT COWHER!

Sorter
10-05-2012, 01:02 AM
Cowher dint believe in it, either.

Kent Graham, Mike Tomczack, Tommy Maddox, etc.

Totally. My main point against hiring Cowher.

DaneMcCloud
10-05-2012, 01:04 AM
If you're trying to say that every human being has the same reasoning and motivations to continue in a difficult line of work that is taxing notbonly physically but mentally as well, IDK what to say to you. Besides the obvious fact that is is ignorant and incorrect.


I know plenty of people who are Olympic and NCAA champs who didn't compete and who didn't have the same level of motivation after winning a championship. Not every person is the same.


That being said, I DON'T WANT COWHER!

JFC. The guy hasn't coached since 2006.

2006.

Why defend the possibly of his hire?

Fruit Ninja
10-05-2012, 01:08 AM
yeah, Vermeil didnt coach for 20 fucking years and came back and won in St Louis, for whatever reasons anyone wants to spin, he did it.

That being said, i dont want Cowher either, i really dont care who, if we dont get a qb, it all means nothing.

Sorter
10-05-2012, 01:13 AM
JFC. The guy hasn't coached since 2006.

2006.

Why defend the possibly of his hire?

Because it is a MB and we deal in hypotheticals here. I like to hear others opinions and take the good and bad from all perspectives.

I agree with you Dane.

Personally, I couldn't justify hiring him, despite his accolades. Not only are our philosophical beliefs different but our backgrounds and evaluations processes are different (again, this is from the GM perspective)

However, worst case scenario, if Cowher somehow was hired, I think that him coming into our 3-4 personnel and his experiences as a head coach/in KC wouldn't serve as a hindrance.

DaneMcCloud
10-05-2012, 01:14 AM
yeah, Vermeil didnt coach for 20 fucking years and came back and won in St Louis, for whatever reasons anyone wants to spin, he did it.

That being said, i dont want Cowher either, i really dont care who, if we dont get a qb, it all means nothing.

Vermeil's record was shit. He was about to be fired after three years on the job.

John Shaw FORCED Mike Martz on him, took away his personnel decisions, signed Trent Green, traded for Marshall Faulk, drafted Torrey Holt and so on

The Chiefs situation isn't even remotely similar, nor is Cowher.

Fruit Ninja
10-05-2012, 01:17 AM
Again, he still did it for WHATEVER reasons you want to throw out there. He still had the passion to come back after that long and win. Hell, he even had the Chiefs at 13 and 3 after he left St Louis. Oh well.

Anyways, We all know its gonna be a fucking Pioli buddy system hire if he's still around which he probably will as he has 1 more year left.

DaneMcCloud
10-05-2012, 01:22 AM
Again, he still did it for WHATEVER reasons you want to throw out there. He still had the passion to come back after that long and win. Hell, he even had the Chiefs at 13 and 3 after he left St Louis.

His "passion" was hooking up his friends with final paydays

No playoff wins, one playoff appearance but worse, a roster in need of serious repair.

He fucked the Chiefs bigger than Levy, Mackovic, Schottenheimer, Gunther and Edwards COMBINED.

chiefs1111
10-05-2012, 02:26 AM
None of them

Predarat
10-05-2012, 07:50 AM
Billick the Prick

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 07:56 AM
Because it is a MB and we deal in hypotheticals here. I like to hear others opinions and take the good and bad from all perspectives.

I agree with you Dane.

Personally, I couldn't justify hiring him, despite his accolades. Not only are our philosophical beliefs different but our backgrounds and evaluations processes are different (again, this is from the GM perspective)

However, worst case scenario, if Cowher somehow was hired, I think that him coming into our 3-4 personnel and his experiences as a head coach/in KC wouldn't serve as a hindrance.

His having won a Super Bowl would be a hindrance though.

Unless you're suggesting Cowher is good enough to become the only coach in NFL history to win one with 2 different teams.

CaliforniaChief
10-06-2012, 06:00 PM
I've changed my mind. I originally wanted Rob Ryan. I would still be ok with him. But I've decided I want someone else:

David Shaw.

The guy played WR at Stanford under Dennis Green and Bill Walsh.
His dad was a coach (in KC once).
He's been an Assistant Coach in the NFL for three teams.
He's coached under Jim Harbaugh.

He has a great track record of developing players, and would be perfect as a HC to develop a drafted franchise QB (he's been a QB coach).

To say his players are smart is a bit redundant as he coaches at Stanford.

Nonetheless, I think he'll be a helluva head coach in the NFL, and I'd love to see him in Kansas City. He looks good in red. (EDIT: And he just turned 40...perfect age/temperament)

KILLER_CLOWN
10-06-2012, 06:06 PM
Come on guys... think forward. Quit clinging to the past. It's a different game, and these guys were phased out of it for a reason. We need a new, fresh approach. We need a coach who will understand the future of the game of football, not what it was 15 years past.

There is really nothing new under the sun, we just need someone who can win despite the cheapass owner. I really don't want Cowher though, he had some bad teams in Pittsburgh. I would like to have Gruden and that's about it off of this short list.

John_Wayne
10-06-2012, 06:21 PM
Cowher or Gruden would bring instant creditility to KC and both would change the attitude of the team to lean and mean.

Bowser
10-06-2012, 06:24 PM
What is the success rate of reaching the Super Bowl for retread coaches on their second or third team?

DaneMcCloud
10-06-2012, 06:48 PM
Cowher or Gruden would bring instant creditility to KC and both would change the attitude of the team to lean and mean.

Credibility? With whom? The fans?

:facepalm:

Yeah, great. It would be awesome if cHunt appeases the fans instead of hiring the best possible head coach and coaching staff.

ChiefsSuckBalls
10-06-2012, 07:18 PM
LOL