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ChiefsandO'sfan
10-03-2012, 12:37 AM
It's the Obama speech on race you probably haven't heard.

In June 2007, then-Sen. Barack Obama told a mostly black audience of ministers that the country's leaders "don't care about" New Orleans residents, suggesting the city was neglected in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina because of institutional racism, according to a an unedited video uncovered by The Daily Caller.

In the address, delivered during the upswing of the Democratic presidential primary season, candidate Obama specifically criticizes in outspoken terms the decision not to waive a federal law known as the Stafford Act that requires communities hit by disasters to match 10 percent of federal aid.

“When 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act. … And that was the right thing to do,” he tells the crowd at Hampton University in Virginia. “When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your own money. Here, here's the money to rebuild. We're not going wait for you to scratch it together, because you're part of the American family.' "

Obama, echoing rapper Kanye West's infamous anti-Bush remarks a couple years earlier, then argues that New Orleans was treated differently, suggesting the reason was that the city is mostly black.

"What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money?" Obama says. "Makes no sense. ... Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."

The Obama campaign didn't response to FoxNews.com's request for comment Tuesday night about the Daily Caller report and the video, but the Associated Press reported that Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt dismissed the criticism as "a transparent attempt to change the subject" at a time when Mitt Romney is down in the polls.

Media organizations covered the speech at the time, but the Daily Caller said the video it obtained showed parts of the speech that had never been publicized. It posted what it said was the complete speech on the website.

By January 2007, nearly a year and a half after Hurricane Katrina hit, the federal government had committed $110 billion to relief efforts in areas hit by Katrina through a variety of programs, including Community Development Block Grants, funding for the Corps of Engineers and Small Business Administration loans, according to a report that May by the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Economic and Statistics Administration.

But at the time of Obama's speech, there were still concerns about federal response to the disaster under the Stafford Act, which governs relief efforts. The Federal Emergency Management Agency was unwilling to waive the law’s 10 percent local match provision for aid, like it did after the Sept. 11 attacks and other hurricanes.

“One reason cited for FEMA’s reluctance to waive the 10 percent match in New Orleans is concern about corruption,” the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies said in a 2008 report on the relief efforts.

That report also noted that then-Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco was pushing in early 2007 for a federal law eliminating the 10 percent match. The House passed the bill, but it stalled in the Senate and President Bush had threatened to veto it.

The complete video of Obama’s 2007 speech, surfacing barely a month before the presidential election and the night before Obama’s first debate with Romney, could complicate Obama’s efforts to avoid a politically risky debate over race that partly ensnared him during the 2008 race. Four years ago, his fiery pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, became a political liability over videos that showed Wright making controversial statements.

Obama, after initially defending him, eventually was forced to condemn Wright publicly, and the controversy prompted Obama to deliver his much-heralded 2008 address on race in Philadelphia.

Wright reportedly attended the 2007 speech, and in the video obtained by the Daily Caller, Obama is heard calling Wright "my pastor, the guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me. He's a friend and a great leader. Not just in Chicago, but all across the country."

The Daily Caller also highlighted a segment in which Obama questions federal priorities in transportation spending.

"We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest-need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs. If we have people in the cities right now who want to work but have no way to get into those jobs, we've got to help connect them to the jobs that exist,” Obama said. “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”

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stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 05:18 AM
Reverand O'Bama?

cosmo20002
10-03-2012, 08:41 AM
It's the Obama speech on race you probably haven't heard.

In June 2007, then-Sen. Barack Obama told a mostly black audience of ministers that the country's leaders "don't care about" New Orleans residents, suggesting the city was neglected in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina because of institutional racism, according to a an unedited video uncovered by The Daily Caller.


The McCain campaign is going to be ALL OVER this.

cosmo20002
10-03-2012, 08:41 AM
Also, where is the part he mentions race?

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 08:49 AM
A creative reinterpretation of the Reverend Wright angle. That's what this attack amounts to, I think.

Which, yeah. I don't know. I think most have moved on but meh.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 08:54 AM
That there is a racial angle to the New Orleans angle is undeniable. I think there probably is a racial and definitely a class angle.

It's a legitimate concern, however. Racism and racial preference still exist to this day on individual and institutional levels, that's undeniable. To suspect the complete lack of response in New Orleans could have been motivated by a racial preference is, well... I don't agree with it (I think it was more about a preference from poor folks), but I can see how somebody could conclude that, especially in the African American community.

Shrug. I don't know, the video's from 2007 and most Americans have already drawn their conclusions from the Wright story. I think it just reinforces the sides that are already planted, but what do I know. Obama does poll relatively weak with whites.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 08:57 AM
As for the highways/infrastructure thing, Obama's angle is undeniable as well. Infrastructure in the suburbs puts the urban areas to shame. For a community embedded in the heart of Chicago, this is hardly surprising this is something they have issue with and talk about.

But the way Hannity introduces it as a racial issue will, of course, imply to his viewers that Obama wants the government to help blacks at the expense of whites with highway construction.

Garcia Bronco
10-03-2012, 10:01 AM
That there is a racial angle to the New Orleans angle is undeniable. I think there probably is a racial and definitely a class angle.

It's a legitimate concern, however. Racism and racial preference still exist to this day on individual and institutional levels, that's undeniable. To suspect the complete lack of response in New Orleans could have been motivated by a racial preference is, well... I don't agree with it (I think it was more about a preference from poor folks), but I can see how somebody could conclude that, especially in the African American community.

Shrug. I don't know, the video's from 2007 and most Americans have already drawn their conclusions from the Wright story. I think it just reinforces the sides that are already planted, but what do I know. Obama does poll relatively weak with whites.

What part of the response to Katrina by the Federal Government was racial?

Garcia Bronco
10-03-2012, 10:04 AM
As for the highways/infrastructure thing, Obama's angle is undeniable as well. Infrastructure in the suburbs puts the urban areas to shame. For a community embedded in the heart of Chicago, this is hardly surprising this is something they have issue with and talk about.

But the way Hannity introduces it as a racial issue will, of course, imply to his viewers that Obama wants the government to help blacks at the expense of whites with highway construction.

Chicago is run by the people of Chicago, which is a racially diverse government. Either way it's up to the people of Chicago to build their inner city infrastrucutre. The people of chicago, or anywhere USA, are not making it a priority. And how can they? Their too busy trying to find money to pay for pension money they blew elsewhere.

People do shit to themselves. It's the old fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper. People need to be a little less grasshopper and a little more ant.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 10:14 AM
Danziger bridge.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 10:27 AM
The video puts the lie to Obama's public distancing from Reverend Wright. And it exposes, once again as if it's necessary, just how divisive this guy is.

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 10:45 AM
The video puts the lie to Obama's public distancing from Reverend Wright.

Its the most damning part of the story and vid, but its something everyone already knew. He attended this guys church for like 20 years.

I dont think the slow Katrina response was racism. It was mostly about class differences than anything and obviously the majority of the poor in that area happens to be black so everyone focused on the race angle.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:47 AM
As for the highways/infrastructure thing, Obama's angle is undeniable as well. Infrastructure in the suburbs puts the urban areas to shame. For a community embedded in the heart of Chicago, this is hardly surprising this is something they have issue with and talk about.

But the way Hannity introduces it as a racial issue will, of course, imply to his viewers that Obama wants the government to help blacks at the expense of whites with highway construction.

Do you ever think before you speak? Of fucking course infrastrucutre is better in the sub-urbs. Why? Because you aren't trying to build around cramped citites that were built during the time of the horse and buggy. you want to start knocking down 100+ year old buildings and what not to expans streets and such then push for it but that won't fly, now will it?

Have you ever been to the inner city of Chicago? WTF are you going to tear down to improve infrastrucutre, Profressor?

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 11:13 AM
"The post-racial president"

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 11:15 AM
The press's coverup at the time and even Andrew Sullivan's attempts to start a bucket brigade on this recently also dovetail well with that other thread about why the press isn't to be trusted and is a threat to democracy.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 11:19 AM
Most divisive President in my lifetime, but he can't help it because he's a true believer in the us versus them narratives he's been steeped in since his birth.

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 12:17 PM
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RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 12:28 PM
This guy's pissed Obama stole his material.

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vailpass
10-03-2012, 12:40 PM
The backlash that is coming from this country's silent majority is going to be wonderful to witness, and to be part of.

ClevelandBronco
10-03-2012, 12:41 PM
I can't quite place the accent. Is that boy from Compton, Birmingham or Harvard?

ClevelandBronco
10-03-2012, 12:45 PM
Have you ever been to the inner city of Chicago? WTF are you going to tear down to improve infrastrucutre, Profressor?

City Hall.

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 12:47 PM
The backlash that is coming from this country's silent majority is going to be wonderful to witness, and to be part of.

But is the backlash going to be enough to prevent another Obama term?

I am hoping the Romney has a fantastic debate tonight, he needs something to kick start his campaign. It seems stuck in neutral at the moment.

Chief Faithful
10-03-2012, 12:49 PM
Most divisive President in my lifetime, but he can't help it because he's a true believer in the us versus them narratives he's been steeped in since his birth.
Like you I don't believe the President is racist I believe he is playing to his audience creating divides for political benefit.

vailpass
10-03-2012, 12:49 PM
But is the backlash going to be enough to prevent another Obama term?

I am hoping the Romney has a fantastic debate tonight, he needs something to kick start his campaign. It seems stuck in neutral at the moment.

Another obama term is what will cause the backlash. Politics in this country have always been cyclical, when we get too much of one thing we go the other way. Never has a President been so hated by so many as obama.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 12:51 PM
What part of the response to Katrina by the Federal Government was racial?

The completely inept and underwhelming response suggests New Orleans' poorer and minority populations were not of primary importance to any level of Louisiana's government.

I'm not saying it's racial, necessarily. But compare how the federal government effectively reacted to comparable disasters prior to Katrina, and it has given the black community the impression that they get lesser treatment.

Whether it's the case, I don't know. But one can understand the African American community feeling that it is. It's a legitimate concern, in my opinion.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 12:52 PM
Chicago is run by the people of Chicago, which is a racially diverse government. Either way it's up to the people of Chicago to build their inner city infrastrucutre. The people of chicago, or anywhere USA, are not making it a priority. And how can they? Their too busy trying to find money to pay for pension money they blew elsewhere.

People do shit to themselves. It's the old fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper. People need to be a little less grasshopper and a little more ant.

I'm not disagreeing necessarily. But inner city strife compared to suburban comfort is a national theme, not one isolated to Chicago. It's difficult to ignore possible reasons why that might be the case.

vailpass
10-03-2012, 12:53 PM
The completely inept and underwhelming response suggests New Orleans' poorer and minority populations were not of primary importance to any level of Louisiana's government.

I'm not saying it's racial, necessarily. But compare how the federal government effectively reacted to comparable disasters prior to Katrina, and it has given the black community the impression that they get lesser treatment.

Whether it's the case, I don't know. But one can understand the African American community feeling that it is. It's a legitimate concern, in my opinion.

Huh?

That there is a racial angle to the New Orleans angle is undeniable. ...

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 12:54 PM
Do you ever think before you speak? Of ****ing course infrastrucutre is better in the sub-urbs. Why? Because you aren't trying to build around cramped citites that were built during the time of the horse and buggy. you want to start knocking down 100+ year old buildings and what not to expans streets and such then push for it but that won't fly, now will it?

Have you ever been to the inner city of Chicago? WTF are you going to tear down to improve infrastrucutre, Profressor?

There's a difference between logistical difficulties and old fashioned neglect.

Inner city infrastructure suffers from both, in spades.

vailpass
10-03-2012, 12:58 PM
There's a difference between logistical difficulties and old fashioned neglect.

Inner city infrastructure suffers from both, in spades.

Reported.

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 01:00 PM
Obama's fake southern draw is sickening. What an embarrassing douche we have in the Whitehouse.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:00 PM
I can't quite place the accent. Is that boy from Compton, Birmingham or Harvard?

LMAO

The ol' southern pronunciation was entertaining.

Garcia Bronco
10-03-2012, 01:01 PM
The completely inept and underwhelming response suggests New Orleans' poorer and minority populations were not of primary importance to any level of Louisiana's government.

I'm not saying it's racial, necessarily. But compare how the federal government effectively reacted to comparable disasters prior to Katrina, and it has given the black community the impression that they get lesser treatment.

Whether it's the case, I don't know. But one can understand the African American community feeling that it is. It's a legitimate concern, in my opinion.

To even say that is to neglect the quick nature and the logistics of the situation. We thought the hurricane was going to climb up Florida. It didn't. 48 hours later is was approcahing NOLA and 24 hours after that it made land fall. Second FEMA had already deleted itself responding to 4 other major land fall hurricanes that year as you pointed out. Further, the state of LA is what was inept. they didn't evac properly. They don't have the proper infrastructure. Now the President dispatched the Navy as soon as it was determined that it past Florida. Further still, did you know they had to release their enitre prison population? These guys armed themselves and begin shooting at rescuers and other FEMA. Which alos halted relief efforts. All while the local population was looting including the police. So it's hard for me to feel like the Feds didn't do their job as best they could given the situation. The fact that poeple like Obama, and he was far from the only one, used this as a political football is disgusting to me.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:01 PM
But is the backlash going to be enough to prevent another Obama term?

I am hoping the Romney has a fantastic debate tonight, he needs something to kick start his campaign. It seems stuck in neutral at the moment.

I'd say reverse.

Munson
10-03-2012, 01:05 PM
I can't quite place the accent. Is that boy from Compton, Birmingham or Harvard?

I can't either. It was the worst fake accent ever. Is he trying to sound southern? Maybe he's trying to sound "black." :shrug:

patteeu
10-03-2012, 01:06 PM
But is the backlash going to be enough to prevent another Obama term?

I am hoping the Romney has a fantastic debate tonight, he needs something to kick start his campaign. It seems stuck in neutral at the moment.

As long as Romney doesn't really botch something in one of these debates, I think he's got it in the bag. If Obama doesn't feel desperate right now, he should.

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 01:09 PM
LMAO

The ol' southern pronunciation was entertaining.

I got news for you, it isn't entertaining to most of us down here. Heís disingenuous cockback that portrays himself as a high steppin yeller.

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:11 PM
So, was Obama's inept response to the BP spill also racially-motivated?

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:11 PM
To even say that is to neglect the quick nature and the logistics of the situation. We thought the hurricane was going to climb up Florida. It didn't. 48 hours later is was approcahing NOLA and 24 hours after that it made land fall. Second FEMA had already deleted itself responding to 4 other major land fall hurricanes that year as you pointed out. Further, the state of LA is what was inept. they didn't evac properly. They don't have the proper infrastructure. Now the President dispatched the Navy as soon as it was determined that it past Florida. Further still, did you know they had to release their enitre prison population? These guys armed themselves and begin shooting at rescuers and other FEMA. Which alos halted relief efforts. All while the local population was looting including the police. So it's hard for me to feel like the Feds didn't do their job as best they could given the situation. The fact that poeple like Obama, and he was far from the only one, used this as a political football is disgusting to me.

If you're arguing that the government's response to Katrina wasn't inadequate, you're welcome to that opinion but you're going to be in the extreme minority there. Obama was right in that video, debris from the hurricane was still lining street corners for years.

At the very least, surely you can admit it's reasonable to believe it was grossly inadequate. And if that's the case, as it clearly is for the overwhelming majority of people, it's similarly understandable that the African American community (among many other communities) would widely believe it's because the people of inner city New Orleans didn't warrant a higher priority from the government.

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:13 PM
If you're arguing that the government's response to Katrina wasn't inadequate, you're welcome to that opinion but you're going to be in the extreme minority there. Obama was right in that video, debris from the hurricane was still lining street corners for years.

At the very least, surely you can admit it's reasonable to believe it was grossly inadequate. And if that's the case, as it clearly is for the overwhelming majority of people, it's similarly understandable that the African American community (among many other communities) would widely believe it's because the people of inner city New Orleans didn't warrant a higher priority from the government.

You think it's the responsibility of the federal government to clean up storm debris?

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:14 PM
I can't either. It was the worst fake accent ever. Is he trying to sound southern? Maybe he's trying to sound "black." :shrug:

That's actually a pretty common verbal tic in the black community. You speak one way with fellow African Americans, and you speak "job interview" with everybody else.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:15 PM
You think it's the responsibility of the federal government to clean up storm debris?

I was just citing one example of governmental ineptitude.

But yeah, if you're going to make the argument that the federal response to Katrina wasn't awful, then have at it, brother. But you're not going to have much company in that opinion.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:17 PM
As long as Romney doesn't really botch something in one of these debates, I think he's got it in the bag. If Obama doesn't feel desperate right now, he should.

LMAO

I really wish you'd put your money where your mouth is on a signature bet.

Too bad.

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:17 PM
I was just citing one example of governmental ineptitude.

But yeah, if you're going to make the argument that the federal response to Katrina wasn't awful, then have at it, brother. But you're not going to have much company in that opinion.

Please list some more.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 01:20 PM
LMAO

I really wish you'd put your money where your mouth is on a signature bet.

Too bad.

What good would your signature be to me given that if I win, you'll be gone forever anyway because of one of the other stupid bets you made?

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:21 PM
Please list some more.

Heh.

Are you arguing the federal response to Katrina was adequate?

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 01:21 PM
You think it's the responsibility of the federal government to clean up storm debris?


Part of FEMA's existence is to provide and coordinate recovery. You don't think cleaning up storm debris is part of recovery?

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:24 PM
What good would your signature be to me given that if I win, you'll be gone forever anyway because of one of the other stupid bets you made?

Make a signature bet with me.

Obama wins, I get your signature for one week. Vice versa if Romney pulls off the comeback.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 01:24 PM
Part of FEMA's existence is to provide and coordinate recovery. You don't think cleaning up storm debris is part of recovery?

If you have a pile of debris in your yard, how long are you going to wait for FEMA to come around and clean it up before you take matters into your own hands?

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:24 PM
Heh.

Are you arguing the federal response to Katrina was adequate?

I'm asking you for more examples of federal ineptitude.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 01:25 PM
Make a signature bet with me.

Obama wins, I get your signature for one week. Vice versa if Romney pulls off the comeback.

If Romney wins, you're leaving forever. If I were the kind of fool you must think I am, I'd be voting for your guy.

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 01:25 PM
Heh.

Are you arguing the federal response to Katrina was adequate?

Heh, the irony here is libs complaining about the inadequacies and incompetence of the federal government, yet libs always want to build up and lean on federal assistance even more. ROFL

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Part of FEMA's existence is to provide and coordinate recovery. You don't think cleaning up storm debris is part of recovery?

I believe that FEMA actually pays other organizations to do that.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:26 PM
I'm asking you for more examples of federal ineptitude.

I'm not interested in arguing once again that the federal response to Katrina was poor, to say the least.

I'm all for wasting time on this forum, but some bridges are too far.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:27 PM
If Romney wins, you're leaving forever. If I were the kind of fool you must think I am, I'd be voting for your guy.

I'm just leaving DC if (heh) that happens.

Make the signature bet, pat. Swing the bat.

vailpass
10-03-2012, 01:27 PM
Part of FEMA's existence is to provide and coordinate recovery. You don't think cleaning up storm debris is part of recovery?

Only the major debris. This reliance on the federal government is sickening, and is indicative of why many of those people are in the situation they are in to start with.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:27 PM
Heh, the irony here is libs complaining about the inadequacies and incompetence of the federal government, yet libs always want to build up and lean on federal assistance even more. ROFL

Swing and a miss.

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:28 PM
I'm not interested in arguing once again that the federal response to Katrina was poor, to say the least.

I'm all for wasting time on this forum, but some bridges are too far.

Once again? So, you've laid out in detail how you think the federal government's response to Katrina was inept?

Was the local and state response to Katrina also inept?

KC Dan
10-03-2012, 01:28 PM
If you have a pile of debris in your yard, how long are you going to wait for FEMA to come around and clean it up before you take matters into your own hands?Depends on where you live. example - midwestern tornados vs Katrina

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:30 PM
Once again? So, you've laid out in detail how you think the federal government's response to Katrina was inept?

Was the local and state response to Katrina also inept?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Edit: I should note that I was not on this board when Katrina occurred.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 01:31 PM
I believe that FEMA actually pays other organizations to do that.

I think that's a safe assumption that FEMA doesn't have a dedicated team with trash bags. If FEMA pays someone to do that and they haven't done that then it is FEMA's responsibility to correct that problem. If they have not corrected the problem it is their fault.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 01:31 PM
I'm just leaving DC if (heh) that happens.

Make the signature bet, pat. Swing the bat.

No, thanks. I don't make sig bets even when the rewards are equal, which still isn't the case here.

Will you still lurk here or will you be gone completely? If you're going to lurk from time to time, I'll keep working on Chiefshrink to get him to let you return. If not, it would be a waste of my effort.

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Yes, yes, and yes.

Edit: I should note that I was not on this board when Katrina occurred.

Do you have a link to the thread in which you did that?

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 01:32 PM
No.

Then you would be incorrect. How are you going to rebuild on a pile of trash?

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:33 PM
No, thanks. I don't make sig bets even when the rewards are equal, which still isn't the case here.

Will you still lurk here or will you be gone completely? If you're going to lurk from time to time, I'll keep working on Chiefshrink to get him to let you return. If not, it would be a waste of my effort.

I wouldn't feel the need to lurk, I don't believe. I participate on two other political forums online similar in fashion to this one that I enjoy very much.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 01:34 PM
Do you have a link to the thread in which you did that?

I don't. I primarily hung out on another board at the time of Katrina, and god knows I had endless conversations about it with my Republican friends.

vailpass
10-03-2012, 01:36 PM
Then you would be incorrect. How are you going to rebuild on a pile of trash?

FEMA cleans up some major debris. It is up to the citizens to clean their streets of the rest.
I went back to Iowa when the floods came, helped as Cedar Rapids dug out. FEMA flood crews were there and right alongside were citizens by the hundreds cleaning and hauling and working to right their city.

Working with the feds, not sitting down helpless waiting for the feds to do for them what they won't do for themselves.
Disgusting. You want to act helpless? Then be treated like it and live in squalor instead of cleaning up your own street.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 01:36 PM
I wouldn't feel the need to lurk, I don't believe. I participate on two other political forums online similar in fashion to this one that I enjoy very much.

OK, well sorry to see you go. You've been a good poster and even though you make some ridiculous arguments from time to time, I think you're a pretty sharp guy. One of the things I liked about you most is that you were willing to take the time to type out some pretty deep analysis. A lot of times it was retarded, but it was at least thoughtful. Take care and enjoy your time in the loyal opposition during the Romney dawn.

Donger
10-03-2012, 01:38 PM
I don't. I primarily hung out on another board at the time of Katrina, and god knows I had endless conversations about it with my Republican friends.

I see. It wouldn't put you out too much after such a declaration to expand upon it further, would it? Bullet point items would suffice.

Chief Faithful
10-03-2012, 01:53 PM
The completely inept and underwhelming response suggests New Orleans' poorer and minority populations were not of primary importance to any level of Louisiana's government.

I'm not saying it's racial, necessarily. But compare how the federal government effectively reacted to comparable disasters prior to Katrina, and it has given the black community the impression that they get lesser treatment.

Whether it's the case, I don't know. But one can understand the African American community feeling that it is. It's a legitimate concern, in my opinion.

This is a case of perception becoming reality. The African American community has a feeling of lesser treatment because they have been continously lied to by its own leaders and leaders of the liberal establishment. I believe the motive behind the lies is to keep people feeling dependent and isolated so they can be controlled.

In reality the response was in no way late, inept or underwhelming. The cause is well documented, help was stranded on the boarder not allowed in the state by the inept political driven response of the Governor of Louisiana. Just look at Mississippi, the hardest hit, response was immediate because the Govenor immedately declared his state a disaster area and succeeded control over to the Feds. The Govenor of Louisiana refused to declare a state disaster and succeed control to the Feds, which prevented, by law, Fema entering the state and setting up command and control. It eventually required the President to over-ride the law to get action because the Governor never cooperated with the Feds.

But, we don't get the facts reported instead we get this idealogically motivated attack that does nothing except divide the country. Now we see Obama continuing the divide by implying the slow response was in some way racially motivated. We all know why Obama does this because it is a pattern he repeats over and over, he works to divide people to secure his base and motivate the vote.

Chief Faithful
10-03-2012, 02:05 PM
Part of FEMA's existence is to provide and coordinate recovery. You don't think cleaning up storm debris is part of recovery?

You are correct, but you leave out the reason this has worked everywhere except in Louisiana. FEMA sets up a command and control and takes over the recovery because the Govenor has declared a state disaster and the state is unable to manage. The state thus succeeds control of the disaster over to the Feds. The Govenor of Louisiana never todate made this declaration. Bush after 5 days of requesting this declaration over-rode the Govenor and took control.

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 02:07 PM
Dad and Mom volunteer for the Red Cross. Haiti, Jamaica, and New Orleans with Katrina. They like many others quit on Katrina because many of the folks down there would sit around watching the volunteers clean up and work on their homes without lifting a finger to help themselves.

Where I live in Florida we had 6 hurricanes in one season 2004. And it was neighbors helping neighbors community wide. We didn't wait for the federal govt to come and save us.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 02:51 PM
Dad and Mom volunteer for the Red Cross. Haiti, Jamaica, and New Orleans with Katrina. They like many others quit on Katrina because many of the folks down there would sit around watching the volunteers clean up and work on their homes without lifting a finger to help themselves.

Where I live in Florida we had 6 hurricanes in one season 2004. And it was neighbors helping neighbors community wide. We didn't wait for the federal govt to come and save us.

That beer looter guy helped himself...

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 02:52 PM
You are correct, but you leave out the reason this has worked everywhere except in Louisiana. FEMA sets up a command and control and takes over the recovery because the Govenor has declared a state disaster and the state is unable to manage. The state thus succeeds control of the disaster over to the Feds. The Govenor of Louisiana never todate made this declaration. Bush after 5 days of requesting this declaration over-rode the Govenor and took control.

The problem with Katrina is nobody knew what to do. Especially in terms of debris clean up, afterwords FEMA changed their tactics. Judging from what I saw in Joplin, they got it right.

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 02:55 PM
As long as Romney doesn't really botch something in one of these debates, I think he's got it in the bag. If Obama doesn't feel desperate right now, he should.

I really want to agree with you, but I just do not see it. I am hopeful for a strong post debate bounce, and some momentum. Romney's number do not seem to be trending up, and he needs them too.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 02:56 PM
Some of these responses crack me up. People referring to a pile of debris as some would refer to a leaf pile, like they could go out with a trash bag and rake it all up.

Furthermore, I fail to see the bombshell in this video. Barack says something than it cuts into hannity to explain what he thinks Obama meant.


For instance, "we don't need to build more roads and highways in the suburbs we need to build them in the cities where the people are at"

While I disagree that the suburbs need to be totally neglected ( and I suspect he was talking in terms of priorities) what is racial about that? What is racial about saying the place where the roads are is where the majority of the people are?

Hannity cuts back and calls it racist and class warfare.


This is stupid as shit.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 02:57 PM
I really want to agree with you, but I just do not see it. I am hopeful for a strong post debate bounce, and some momentum. Romney's number do not seem to be trending up, and he needs them too.

The path of Patteeu leads to the world of wrong.

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 03:02 PM
This is a case of perception becoming reality. The African American community has a feeling of lesser treatment because they have been continously lied to by its own leaders and leaders of the liberal establishment. I believe the motive behind the lies is to keep people feeling dependent and isolated so they can be controlled.

In reality the response was in no way late, inept or underwhelming. The cause is well documented, help was stranded on the boarder not allowed in the state by the inept political driven response of the Governor of Louisiana. Just look at Mississippi, the hardest hit, response was immediate because the Govenor immedately declared his state a disaster area and succeeded control over to the Feds. The Govenor of Louisiana refused to declare a state disaster and succeed control to the Feds, which prevented, by law, Fema entering the state and setting up command and control. It eventually required the President to over-ride the law to get action because the Governor never cooperated with the Feds.

But, we don't get the facts reported instead we get this idealogically motivated attack that does nothing except divide the country. Now we see Obama continuing the divide by implying the slow response was in some way racially motivated. We all know why Obama does this because it is a pattern he repeats over and over, he works to divide people to secure his base and motivate the vote.

Very well said. Its sad that more of the Black leadership in this country doesnt try and get the truth out to people. They would rather just pander and race bait over and over again wich is ultimately counterproductive.

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 03:03 PM
The completely inept and underwhelming response suggests New Orleans' poorer and minority populations were not of primary importance to any level of Louisiana's government.

I'm not saying it's racial, necessarily. But compare how the federal government effectively reacted to comparable disasters prior to Katrina, and it has given the black community the impression that they get lesser treatment.

Whether it's the case, I don't know. But one can understand the African American community feeling that it is. It's a legitimate concern, in my opinion.

It could also suggest that then Governor Kathleen Blanco and NO mayor Nagin were woefully inept and not up to the task. For example, Blanco refused to file the requisite paperwork to allow the federal government to use the resources they had at hand. Mayor Nagin flat disappeared. Dis-a-ppeared for days only to turn up in Houston doing something entirely unrelated to helping his city. Are they racist as well or do you only save that bullshit for people who don't share your worldview?

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 03:09 PM
I was just citing one example of governmental ineptitude.

But yeah, if you're going to make the argument that the federal response to Katrina wasn't awful, then have at it, brother. But you're not going to have much company in that opinion.

You are fucking kidding, right? The Federal gov't has a role in trash removal in the city of New Orleans?

New Orleans, Hell, Louisiana as a state, has tolerated and turned a blind eye to a stunning amount of political corruption since its inception. That corruption has resulted in civic leaders woefully unqualified to serve. Most of the time that manifests itself in back room kick backs, graft, nepotism, and incompetence but the city can manage because people still visit. However, that all comes to a head when the shit hits the fan and the fucking police take to looting and walking off the job. It hits the fan when those civic leaders flat panic in the face of their duty and shit the bed. Nawleans' lax attitude bordering on outright acceptance of political corruption bit them in the ass. The fact that they can't pick up their own fucking trash is just a shining example of a sickening degree of dependency. Should the Feds also wipe their asses for them and change their diapers?

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 03:12 PM
You are ****ing kidding, right? The Federal gov't has a role in trash removal in the city of New Orleans?

New Orleans, Hell, Louisiana as a state, has tolerated and turned a blind eye to a stunning amount of political corruption since its inception. That corruption has resulted in civic leaders woefully unqualified to serve. Most of the time that manifests itself in back room kick backs, graft, nepotism, and incompetence but the city can manage because people still visit. However, that all comes to a head when the shit hits the fan and the ****ing police take to looting and walking off the job. It hits the fan when those civic leaders flat panic in the face of their duty and shit the bed. Nawleans' lax attitude bordering on outright acceptance of political corruption bit them in the ass. The fact that they can't pick up their own ****ing trash is just a shining example of a sickening degree of dependency. Should the Feds also wipe their asses for them and change their diapers?

We're talking about storm debris here. Not just trash.

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 03:13 PM
That beer looter guy helped himself...

busted

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 03:14 PM
We're talking about storm debris here. Not just trash.

For a remarkably large hurricane it is amazing that it only left storm debris in New Orleans and that nobody else on the gulf coast ran into this problem. Probably because George Bush hates black people.

:whackit:

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 03:23 PM
We're talking about storm debris here. Not just trash.


Thereís plenty of trash, perishables, clothing, paper that they could have helped with but they didnít. Most couldn't even clean out their own fridge after loss of power and volunteers would show up, take a screw gun and screw it shut so they would have to work in the stench while the folks they were helping looked on. Happened time and time again because many (not all) but many are lazy ass scumbags that expect everything to be done for them and they blame others for their own problems.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 03:27 PM
For a remarkably large hurricane it is amazing that it only left storm debris in New Orleans and that nobody else on the gulf coast ran into this problem. Probably because George Bush hates black people.

:whackit:

Your replying to two statements I never made.

Have fun beating it though.

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 03:28 PM
Your replying to two statements I never made.

Have fun beating it though.

You didn't say, "We're talking about storm debris here. Not just trash."? Because I'm pretty sure you said that.

I always have fun beating it.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 03:28 PM
Thereís plenty of trash, perishables, clothing, paper that they could have helped with but they didnít. Most couldn't even clean out their own fridge after loss of power and volunteers would show up, take a screw gun and screw it shut so they would have to work in the stench while the folks they were helping looked on. Happened time and time again because many (not all) but many are lazy ass scumbags that expect everything to be done for them and they blame others for their own problems.

Link?

vailpass
10-03-2012, 03:28 PM
Thereís plenty of trash, perishables, clothing, paper that they could have helped with but they didnít. Most couldn't even clean out their own fridge after loss of power and volunteers would show up, take a screw gun and screw it shut so they would have to work in the stench while the folks they were helping looked on. Happened time and time again because many (not all) but many are lazy ass scumbags that expect everything to be done for them and they blame others for their own problems.

Everyone knows that whether they admit it or not. The citizens of NO took no initiative, instead they played the victim card to the hilt and sat around waiting for the government to do for them what others do for themselves. The people who do this are drains on society and not worth saving.

vailpass
10-03-2012, 03:29 PM
Link?

post #71

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 03:30 PM
You didn't say, "We're talking about storm debris here. Not just trash."? Because I'm pretty sure you said that.

I always have fun beating it.

and what does that have to do with the location of storm debris elsewhere?

and you should.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 03:31 PM
post #71

So the truth in his unprovable statement is in another unprovable statement?

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 03:31 PM
and what does that have to do with the location of storm debris elsewhere?

and you should.

It's remarkable that nobody else on the gulf coast had a problem dealing with storm debris. Certainly not to the extent it seems to have befuddled the people and civic leaders of New Orleans. Why?

vailpass
10-03-2012, 03:37 PM
So the truth in his unprovable statement is in another unprovable statement?

Just stop dude. If someone tried to enable my failure as much as you are trying to do so for the people of NO I'd be offended and mad as hell.

I helped clean up in the flood in Cedar Rapids, I've seen what communities of people that have work ethics and a brain can do for themselves.
Those people would be flat embarrassed to be caught standing around expecting someone else to do their work for them like the people in NO did.

Garcia Bronco
10-03-2012, 03:39 PM
If you're arguing that the government's response to Katrina wasn't inadequate, you're welcome to that opinion but you're going to be in the extreme minority there. Obama was right in that video, debris from the hurricane was still lining street corners for years.

At the very least, surely you can admit it's reasonable to believe it was grossly inadequate. And if that's the case, as it clearly is for the overwhelming majority of people, it's similarly understandable that the African American community (among many other communities) would widely believe it's because the people of inner city New Orleans didn't warrant a higher priority from the government.


So let me get this straight...years after the event the city left debris on the side of the road? That should tell you about the level of intelligence of the people of LA. I don't find any of it inadequate, but I also understand the logistics of executing a massive project with a limited amount of resources and a quick timetable. And no I don't see it that way. These people are responsibile for themselves and either too stupid to know that or are to lazy to act on it....neither one is a good quality.

But just so you know...I tarped roofs in the Katrina zone...so I saw some of this stuff first hand.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 04:37 PM
Just stop dude. If someone tried to enable my failure as much as you are trying to do so for the people of NO I'd be offended and mad as hell.

I helped clean up in the flood in Cedar Rapids, I've seen what communities of people that have work ethics and a brain can do for themselves.
Those people would be flat embarrassed to be caught standing around expecting someone else to do their work for them like the people in NO did.

I don't know this to be true and therefore I won't accept it as true. Prove to me that it's true other than some dude said so and then I will consider it. However, where it stands I find it unlikely.

I love how you keep throwing your volunteer stuff out and would like to remind you that I lived in Joplin when that tornado went through and know what a community can do. It has no bearing on what happened in New Orleans 6 years ago.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 04:41 PM
It's remarkable that nobody else on the gulf coast had a problem dealing with storm debris. Certainly not to the extent it seems to have befuddled the people and civic leaders of New Orleans. Why?

I'm sure that the only factor was that New Orleans was an entire city filled with lazy people. Yep that makes sense.

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 04:47 PM
Well well as it out Fox is reporting on the Five right now that Stafford was actually waived 10 days prior to Katrina and Obama actually, wait for it, wait for it, he voted against it being waved 1 of 14 to vote agiainst it being waived.

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 04:49 PM
AWESOME

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 04:50 PM
Barry is so fake is disgusting. He puts on a slang accent saying bidness, special shout out and where's your dollar. This embarrassment plays the race card every chance he gets. When he is in another environment he is very well spoken. The fact he pulls this act would offend me if I was a black man. He praises Reverend Wright and threw him in front of the bus. He is a shitbag and a horrible person. Anyone who can vote for this colossal failure based on his record is stunning, to vote for him knowing he is a phony two faced shitbag on top of it is beyond amazing. Romney is a very unattractive option, yet when comparing the two I will never understand how anyone could choose Barry~

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:22 PM
OK, well sorry to see you go. You've been a good poster and even though you make some ridiculous arguments from time to time, I think you're a pretty sharp guy. One of the things I liked about you most is that you were willing to take the time to type out some pretty deep analysis. A lot of times it was retarded, but it was at least thoughtful. Take care and enjoy your time in the loyal opposition during the Romney dawn.

LMAO

Make the signature bet with me, pat.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:22 PM
I see. It wouldn't put you out too much after such a declaration to expand upon it further, would it? Bullet point items would suffice.

It really would. I'm not interested.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:26 PM
This is a case of perception becoming reality. The African American community has a feeling of lesser treatment because they have been continously lied to by its own leaders and leaders of the liberal establishment. I believe the motive behind the lies is to keep people feeling dependent and isolated so they can be controlled.

In reality the response was in no way late, inept or underwhelming. The cause is well documented, help was stranded on the boarder not allowed in the state by the inept political driven response of the Governor of Louisiana. Just look at Mississippi, the hardest hit, response was immediate because the Govenor immedately declared his state a disaster area and succeeded control over to the Feds. The Govenor of Louisiana refused to declare a state disaster and succeed control to the Feds, which prevented, by law, Fema entering the state and setting up command and control. It eventually required the President to over-ride the law to get action because the Governor never cooperated with the Feds.

But, we don't get the facts reported instead we get this idealogically motivated attack that does nothing except divide the country. Now we see Obama continuing the divide by implying the slow response was in some way racially motivated. We all know why Obama does this because it is a pattern he repeats over and over, he works to divide people to secure his base and motivate the vote.

The African American community has a feeling of lesser treatment because (a.) they are often legitimately treated worse, and (b.) they are typically less educated, less healthy, less protected, and less successful compared to the rest of society. This stuff isn't far from the black community's collective minds, and they serve as deep wounds in the African American psyche.

Hannity won't tell you this, but Obama's speech in the OP was actually about African American self-empowerment in light of these foibles in the community. Tucker Carlson simply cut out the parts nearly all of us would agree with, isolated the few parts we see in the OP, and interspersed it with Hannity's fat face telling us what we're watching is incendiary! and race-baiting!.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 05:27 PM
Hope he uses that type of dialect tonight in the debate since it doesn't matter

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:30 PM
Very well said. Its sad that more of the Black leadership in this country doesnt try and get the truth out to people. They would rather just pander and race bait over and over again wich is ultimately counterproductive.

Obama has actually been the one figure the black community loves that sells them messages of self-empowerment. There's a reason Jesse Jackson was quoted saying he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:31 PM
It could also suggest that then Governor Kathleen Blanco and NO mayor Nagin were woefully inept and not up to the task. For example, Blanco refused to file the requisite paperwork to allow the federal government to use the resources they had at hand. Mayor Nagin flat disappeared. Dis-a-ppeared for days only to turn up in Houston doing something entirely unrelated to helping his city. Are they racist as well or do you only save that bullshit for people who don't share your worldview?

It could suggest it, and it does, yes. The government response on all three levels was shit.

I didn't accuse anybody of being racist, by the way.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:32 PM
You are ****ing kidding, right? The Federal gov't has a role in trash removal in the city of New Orleans?

New Orleans, Hell, Louisiana as a state, has tolerated and turned a blind eye to a stunning amount of political corruption since its inception. That corruption has resulted in civic leaders woefully unqualified to serve. Most of the time that manifests itself in back room kick backs, graft, nepotism, and incompetence but the city can manage because people still visit. However, that all comes to a head when the shit hits the fan and the ****ing police take to looting and walking off the job. It hits the fan when those civic leaders flat panic in the face of their duty and shit the bed. Nawleans' lax attitude bordering on outright acceptance of political corruption bit them in the ass. The fact that they can't pick up their own ****ing trash is just a shining example of a sickening degree of dependency. Should the Feds also wipe their asses for them and change their diapers?

I'm not sure what argument you think I'm making.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:32 PM
For a remarkably large hurricane it is amazing that it only left storm debris in New Orleans and that nobody else on the gulf coast ran into this problem. Probably because George Bush hates black people.

I'm not sure what argument you think J Diddy is making.

mlyonsd
10-03-2012, 05:35 PM
Well well as it out Fox is reporting on the Five right now that Stafford was actually waived 10 days prior to Katrina and Obama actually, wait for it, wait for it, he voted against it being waved 1 of 14 to vote agiainst it being waived.

Obama's misuse of the facts to help his own cause shouldn't be a surprise.

LOCOChief
10-03-2012, 05:35 PM
So the truth in his unprovable statement is in another unprovable statement?

proof?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GziHxkMQrNM

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:35 PM
So let me get this straight...years after the event the city left debris on the side of the road? That should tell you about the level of intelligence of the people of LA. I don't find any of it inadequate, but I also understand the logistics of executing a massive project with a limited amount of resources and a quick timetable. And no I don't see it that way. These people are responsibile for themselves and either too stupid to know that or are to lazy to act on it....neither one is a good quality.

But just so you know...I tarped roofs in the Katrina zone...so I saw some of this stuff first hand.

I did not know that... that must have been a phenomenal experience for you.

But I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore, except that you believed the federal response to Katrina was adequate.

Again, that's fine if that's what you want to believe. You're just not going to have a lot of company.

Direckshun
10-03-2012, 05:38 PM
Barry is so fake is disgusting. He puts on a slang accent saying bidness, special shout out and where's your dollar. This embarrassment plays the race card every chance he gets. When he is in another environment he is very well spoken. The fact he pulls this act would offend me if I was a black man. He praises Reverend Wright and threw him in front of the bus. He is a shitbag and a horrible person. Anyone who can vote for this colossal failure based on his record is stunning, to vote for him knowing he is a phony two faced shitbag on top of it is beyond amazing. Romney is a very unattractive option, yet when comparing the two I will never understand how anyone could choose Barry~

He's actually well spoken in the video. He's just playing to the audience. There's no crime in that necessarily, and it's actually very, very common amongst the African American community that black people talk to each other much differently than they talk to the rest of us.

vailpass
10-03-2012, 05:38 PM
He's actually well spoken in the video. He's just playing to the audience. There's no crime in that necessarily, and it's actually very, very common amongst the African American community that black people talk to each other much differently than they talk to the rest of us.

LMAO He's so well spoken.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 06:04 PM
I really want to agree with you, but I just do not see it. I am hopeful for a strong post debate bounce, and some momentum. Romney's number do not seem to be trending up, and he needs them too.

I haven't been paying too much attention to the numbers. Do they look bad? ;)

patteeu
10-03-2012, 06:06 PM
We're talking about storm debris here. Not just trash.

Link?

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 06:13 PM
That there is a racial angle to the New Orleans angle is undeniable. I think there probably is a racial and definitely a class angle.

:facepalm:

What part of "Leave, there is a hurricane coming" did they not understand?

patteeu
10-03-2012, 06:14 PM
The African American community has a feeling of lesser treatment because (a.) they are often legitimately treated worse, and (b.) they are typically less educated, less healthy, less protected, and less successful compared to the rest of society. This stuff isn't far from the black community's collective minds, and they serve as deep wounds in the African American psyche.

Hannity won't tell you this, but Obama's speech in the OP was actually about African American self-empowerment in light of these foibles in the community. Tucker Carlson simply cut out the parts nearly all of us would agree with, isolated the few parts we see in the OP, and interspersed it with Hannity's fat face telling us what we're watching is incendiary! and race-baiting!.

Unlike the first partial release of that video (by I don't know who), this time the entire video is available on Tucker Carlson's website. To accuse Carlson of selectively editing the video to be deceptive is completely backwards. He's the guy responsible for the entire video being available. It's natural that they're going to narrow the focus to the points of interest on the Hannity show. The format dictates that they can't play the entire nearly-hour-long video just so you can't pull BS like this. But they made it clear where the entire video can be seen, thanks again to Tucker Carlson.

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 06:22 PM
I haven't been paying too much attention to the numbers. Do they look bad? ;)

Today's numbers in the WSJ/NBC poll were the best I had seen in the past couple of weeks, Romney was within the margin of error, trailing Obama 49-46.

Of course, every Democrat I know is predicting an Obama blowout of epic proportions....not sure how they would react if Romney was to pick up a few points in the polls after the debates. It would make for some interesting discussion.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 06:47 PM
Today's numbers in the WSJ/NBC poll were the best I had seen in the past couple of weeks, Romney was within the margin of error, trailing Obama 49-46.

Of course, every Democrat I know is predicting an Obama blowout of epic proportions....not sure how they would react if Romney was to pick up a few points in the polls after the debates. It would make for some interesting discussion.

Well see, there you go. Romney's on the move and IMO it's unlikely that Obama will be able to stop the momentum. Romney's getting his freight train on. :)

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 06:49 PM
Well see, there you go. Romney's on the move and IMO it's unlikely that Obama will be able to stop the momentum. Romney's getting his freight train on. :)

I wonder if you actually believe this.

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 07:10 PM
I'm sure that the only factor was that New Orleans was an entire city filled with lazy people. Yep that makes sense.

No, it is Bush's fault. He hates black people.

patteeu
10-03-2012, 07:10 PM
I wonder if you actually believe this.

I'm skeptical about whether Romney is really 3 points behind at the moment, so no not completely.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 07:12 PM
He's actually well spoken in the video. He's just playing to the audience. There's no crime in that necessarily, and it's actually very, very common amongst the African American community that black people talk to each other much differently than they talk to the rest of us.

Look I understand your game here. Play the game with someone else. You and I both know he is a shitbag. Try to get a reaction from those who take your posts serious~

RaiderH8r
10-03-2012, 07:14 PM
He's actually well spoken in the video. He's just playing to the audience. There's no crime in that necessarily, and it's actually very, very common amongst the African American community that black people talk to each other much differently than they talk to the rest of us.

Yeah, David Duke was well spoken too. He was just advocating civic pride and ownership. How did that work out?

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 07:16 PM
He is obviously trying to send his audience away with the idea that New York got a square deal and New Orleans got screwed because they are a black town. He is intentionally trying to gin up racial division and using deliberate falsehoods in so doing. He deliberately lied here to divide people with racial animosity because it was useful to him.

Again, this is another case where we can see the prepared remarks and when he gets off script, when he gets away from his handlers he tells you who he really is.

mlyonsd
10-03-2012, 07:21 PM
The one thing to be taken away from this Obama speech is the media letting him get away with the racist BS.

Radar Chief
10-03-2012, 07:30 PM
:facepalm:

What part of "Leave, there is a hurricane coming" did they not understand?

Oh, I agree that there's a racial companant.
If Bush hadn't been a white Republican maybe Nagin and Blanco do more than just throw their hands in the air crying "where's the cavalry" while their constituents were still in harms way.

Baby Lee
10-03-2012, 07:58 PM
:facepalm:

What part of "Leave, there is a hurricane coming" did they not understand?

The irony, to this point in the thread, is that no one has mentioned that many of them DID leave, . . . soon thereafter, . . never to return.

The relocated in Houston, or with family thoughout the states, or in those govt mobile homes, and never looked back.

That, more than anything, explains the lack of cleanup.

Like the sound of one hand clapping, if there's trash where no one goes anymore [except for giving speeches], what does it look like?

go bowe
10-03-2012, 10:23 PM
I wouldn't feel the need to lurk, I don't believe. I participate on two other political forums online similar in fashion to this one that I enjoy very much.

link?

LOCOChief
10-04-2012, 05:59 PM
But but but Romneys the dirty liar.

stonedstooge
10-04-2012, 06:16 PM
But but but Romneys the dirty liar.

Might as well throw "racist" in there too as long as we're making shit up

petegz28
10-04-2012, 08:47 PM
Typical Obama, voted against the Act he is championing in the video. What a classic example of "don't look at what I did, listen to what I say".

headsnap
10-04-2012, 09:21 PM
I wonder if you actually believe this.

LOL