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Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 08:17 AM
Now, I think we can all agree that while not great, he was at least serviceable in 2010, even decent in spurts. What did Weis/Haley do that got better production out of him? Most importantly, he didnít turn the ball over nearly as much. What was their secret and what is different now?

Bane
10-03-2012, 08:19 AM
His suck is tred of hiding.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 08:22 AM
He hasn't.

He has always played like dog shit against good teams, or when the Chiefs struggle to run the ball, or when the defense struggles.

That's the entire premise of The Declaration of Independence, MO.

Read it. Know it. Love it.

He is doing what he has always done.

The guy has been a sack of shit here outside of a handful of games in 2010, and a few in 2011 against utterly awful teams.

FAX
10-03-2012, 08:23 AM
Hmmm. Good question.

Well, it could be because Bowe was not in camp which precluded any opportunity to develop timing with his primary receiver. Or, it could be that the changes in the offensive line have caused him to be uncomfortable for the first few games. Or, it could be that he has physically peaked. Or, it could be that what we saw in 2010 was the aberration and what we're seeing now is the real, unvarnished Cassel going against defenses that have him totally figured out since all they have to do is stack the box and dare him to make a throw over 15 yards.

FAX

Lonewolf Ed
10-03-2012, 08:24 AM
He peaked then and is on the decline now? Hell, I don't know...

Bewbies
10-03-2012, 08:26 AM
How many teams did he play that had a winning record? How wild did Jamal Charles run?

The guy sucks. Ass. And our GM thinks he can win a Super Bowl with him.

FAX
10-03-2012, 08:28 AM
How many teams did he play that had a winning record? How wild did Jamal Charles run?

The guy sucks. Ass. And our GM thinks he can win a Super Bowl with him.

Apparently not anymore. It looks like he now believes Cassel to be a backup - not a starting-caliber quarterback. Funny how that happened.

FAX

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 08:30 AM
He might be the most mentally fragile QB in the NFL.

IMO he found a level of comfort in Weis that he hasn't had since. By all accounts he was the best player in training camp. Without game day pressure even Cassel haters were saying he looked good in camp. Preseason and regular season rolls around and he continues to regress. I mean, he can't even accurately dump the ball off anymore. They don't even try to go downfield with 8 guys in the box.

beach tribe
10-03-2012, 08:30 AM
Apparently not anymore. It looks like he now believes Cassel to be a backup - not a starting-caliber quarterback. Funny how that happened.

FAX

And he ALWAYS thought so. LMAO

suds79
10-03-2012, 08:30 AM
Jamaal Charles putting in his usual 6. something YPC
The D playing well
Most stat padded season ever. Remember how few TDs Jamaal had that year? That's because anything from the 3 in where play action TD passes.


It was all fools gold. He's always been this.

BoneKrusher
10-03-2012, 08:33 AM
the other 52 players on this roster figured out they are doomed with him as the starter.

KC_Lee
10-03-2012, 08:35 AM
He's nothing more than a borderline back up QB that had on good season when he was surrounded with great talent and great coaching. Once he was put into the position to be the leader he crapped his pants.

FAX
10-03-2012, 08:35 AM
He might be the most mentally fragile QB in the NFL.

IMO he found a level of comfort in Weis that he hasn't had since. By all accounts he was the best player in training camp. Without game day pressure even Cassel haters were saying he looked good in camp. Preseason and regular season rolls around and he continues to regress. I mean, he can't even accurately dump the ball off anymore. They don't even try to go downfield with 8 guys in the box.

I don't know, Mr. Chiefnj2. We have pretty solid reports from Babb and others that Weis threw up his hands on Cassel. If that's true, I don't see how Weis would offer any comfort to him at all.

As for the problem you mention regarding accurately dumping off the ball, I mean ... wow ... it's so true and so ... well ... just ... wow.

FAX

Bewbies
10-03-2012, 08:36 AM
He might be the most mentally fragile QB in the NFL.

IMO he found a level of comfort in Weis that he hasn't had since. By all accounts he was the best player in training camp. Without game day pressure even Cassel haters were saying he looked good in camp. Preseason and regular season rolls around and he continues to regress. I mean, he can't even accurately dump the ball off anymore. They don't even try to go downfield with 8 guys in the box.

People blasted me when I said this is exactly what would happen. Same shit every year. Camp stud, regular season pussy.

WV
10-03-2012, 08:37 AM
2010 was the engagement, now we're married.

rockymtnchief
10-03-2012, 08:38 AM
Palko stole his mojo and hid it in Al Capones vault.

tredadda
10-03-2012, 08:41 AM
In 2010 we played one of the easiest schedules in recent memory against teams with subpar defenses for the most part. Jamaal Charles had one of the best running seasons ever for a RB. Those factors played a large role in his 2010 "Pro Bowl" season.

SNR
10-03-2012, 08:42 AM
Quit holding up 2010 like Cassel was Brady, Rodgers, Eli, etc. He wasn't. The dude still sucked. He's the same piece of shit now as he was then.

FAX
10-03-2012, 08:43 AM
People blasted me when I said this is exactly what would happen. Same shit every year. Camp stud, regular season pussy.

All we heard during camp was how Cassel had improved dramatically and was impressing everybody. Heck, Zorn was practically slavering with praise for the guy.

Maybe he simply blew his wad in that first half against Atlanta and now he just wants to sleep?

FAX

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 08:43 AM
Quit holding up 2010 like Cassel was Brady, Rodgers, Eli, etc. He wasn't. The dude still sucked. He's the same piece of shit now as he was then.

Ridiculous. 27 TD to 7 INTs. Even with smoke and mirrors, a weak schedule and a great running game - those are good numbers.

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 08:45 AM
I think Weis/Haley did a good job of protecting him. I think its been reported/mentioned that Weis dumbed down the system and worked on his mechanics as best he could. Basically got as much out of him as he possibly could. I do remember his mechanics and his throws seemed to be stronger in 2010.

SNR
10-03-2012, 08:45 AM
Ridiculous. 27 TD to 7 INTs. Even with smoke and mirrors, a weak schedule and a great running game - those are good numbers.
Did he break 4000 yards? Did he beat any good teams? How many 300 yard games did he have? How many 4th quarter comebacks?

He had three good games against shitty rape fart St Louis, Seattle, and Tennessee. The rest were cock suckingly bad.

FAX
10-03-2012, 08:47 AM
ROFL

I don't think Weis gave a damn one way or the other about Cassel. However, we do know that Haley brought out the ol' bitch slap the dude across the grill every time he throws an INT coaching technique. That had a direct effect on his turnover ratio.

FAX

suds79
10-03-2012, 08:48 AM
Ridiculous. 27 TD to 7 INTs. Even with smoke and mirrors, a weak schedule and a great running game - those are good numbers.

Yes good numbers. But drastically inflated.

Coached with kid gloves to minimize mistakes. Then given easy TDs to try to pump up his confidence.

That's how you get to 27 TDs & 7 Ins.

tredadda
10-03-2012, 08:50 AM
Did he break 4000 yards? Did he beat any good teams? How many 300 yard games did he have? How many 4th quarter comebacks?

He had three good games against shitty rape fart St Louis, Seattle, and Tennessee. The rest were cock suckingly bad.

Didn't he also light it up against Denver in garbage time of a blowout loss? I can't remember if that was 2010 or 2009.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 08:52 AM
Did he break 4000 yards? Did he beat any good teams? How many 300 yard games did he have? How many 4th quarter comebacks?

He had three good games against shitty rape fart St Louis, Seattle, and Tennessee. The rest were cock suckingly bad.

Who cares if he broke 4000 yards. His 27:7 got the team to the post season. He's a god damn game manager at best and that's what he did. He didn't hurt the team. He didn't turn it over. He threw a bunch of red zone TDs. That's the best you can expect from him. And it was much better than what he is doing this year.

JD10367
10-03-2012, 08:53 AM
I don't think he's regressed. As Belichick says, "It is what it is." Cassel is just one of many NFL QBs who should remain as backups because they're simply not good enough to start. You have four types of QB: 1) stars who start, 2) decently solid guys who start but don't awe you, and who are probably borderline backups sometimes, 3) solid backups who are good enough to win a game but probably should never be a starter, and 4) suck-ass QBs who are cannon fodder and benchwarmers. Brady, Manning(s), Roethlisberger, Brees, Rivers? Obvious 1s. Most of the other starters? Borderline 1s but more obviously 2s. Cassel is between a 3 and a 4.

You know how a homely girl is said to have "a nice personality"? The NFL QB equivalent is when they say, "With a strong running game, good receivers, a good coach, and a good defense, he's good enough to win games for you." It's like me saying, "With a 15-inch dick, a hundred million bucks in the bank, and a Lamborghini, I'd be a great catch for a woman." It's the freaking NFL. ANY QUARTERBACK worth his jock should be able to win games with a strong run game, pass-catchers, coach, and D. Cassel was elevated by the talent around him in 2007 in New England. At the time, it was hard not to give Cassel credit because honestly there was no other benchmark; everyone assumed he must be pretty good. Turns out he isn't.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 08:53 AM
Coached with kid gloves to minimize mistakes. Then given easy TDs to try to pump up his confidence.

That's how you get to 27 TDs & 7 Ins.

So what. That's all you can do with the guy. Haley, Muir and Daboll would have loved to have gotten that from Cassel.

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 08:54 AM
Yes good numbers. But drastically inflated.

Coached with kid gloves to minimize mistakes. Then given easy TDs to try to pump up his confidence.

That's how you get to 27 TDs & 7 Ins.

The main problem between then and now is the turnovers. With a guy like him that’s “limited” you almost certainly can not have the amount of turnovers he does now. His arm isn’t talented enough to dig himself or the team out of his mistakes.

lcarus
10-03-2012, 08:55 AM
He hasn't.

He has always played like dog shit against good teams, or when the Chiefs struggle to run the ball, or when the defense struggles.

That's the entire premise of The Declaration of Independence, MO.

Read it. Know it. Love it.

He is doing what he has always done.

The guy has been a sack of shit here outside of a handful of games in 2010, and a few in 2011 against utterly awful teams.

Every time he actually makes a good play or throw, I absolutely shit myself. That's how rare it occurs. Shit fills my underpants. Like that TD to McCluster in the preseason game where he kind of span away from pressure and threw a nice ball. A relatively simple play that most good QBs make on a regular basis. He made it ONCE...and I shat.

Graystoke
10-03-2012, 08:55 AM
It’s impossible to hide the deficiencies of Matt Cassell for longer then a season.
Easy schedule and Front Office propaganda even had Matt believing in himself for a little bit.

tredadda
10-03-2012, 08:57 AM
I don't think he's regressed. As Belichick says, "It is what it is." Cassel is just one of many NFL QBs who should remain as backups because they're simply not good enough to start. You have four types of QB: 1) stars who start, 2) decently solid guys who start but don't awe you, and who are probably borderline backups sometimes, 3) solid backups who are good enough to win a game but probably should never be a starter, and 4) suck-ass QBs who are cannon fodder and benchwarmers. Brady, Manning(s), Roethlisberger, Brees, Rivers? Obvious 1s. Most of the other starters? Borderline 1s but more obviously 2s. Cassel is between a 3 and a 4.

You know how a homely girl is said to have "a nice personality"? The NFL QB equivalent is when they say, "With a strong running game, good receivers, a good coach, and a good defense, he's good enough to win games for you." It's like me saying, "With a 15-inch dick, a hundred million bucks in the bank, and a Lamborghini, I'd be a great catch for a woman." It's the freaking NFL. ANY QUARTERBACK worth his jock should be able to win games with a strong run game, pass-catchers, coach, and D. Cassel was elevated by the talent around him in 2007 in New England. At the time, it was hard not to give Cassel credit because honestly there was no other benchmark; everyone assumed he must be pretty good. Turns out he isn't.

:bravo:

Bane
10-03-2012, 08:59 AM
Again fuck Casshole and anyone that supports him in any capacity.He was a piece of shit in college,in NE and has been a piece of worthless shit as a Chief.He has zero leadership skills and should be working the drive thru at jack in the box from 11am-5.

Tribal Warfare
10-03-2012, 08:59 AM
Daboll is new to the equation, and he's attempting to have Cassel play like a NFL QB and Matt is failing. There is also the simple fact that Cassel realizes that this season is make or break for him, and like always is folding under the pressure. Other words the guy doesn't have the head for the position like I've been saying since day 1.

FAX
10-03-2012, 09:01 AM
There is another possible factor ... I've only seen a few quarters of play so far, so I don't know ... but, are the enemy defenses bringing early and consistent pressure on him? If so, that could explain a lot of things.

FAX

suds79
10-03-2012, 09:01 AM
We've been blown out in 3 of our 4 games.

So Matt has to actually try to make plays to bring us back, like most QBs, and simply can't do it.

If the game is close, the D is playing well and Jamaal is doing what he normally does, Matt knows how to not screw it up. But that's about it.

FAX
10-03-2012, 09:02 AM
We've been blown out in 3 of our 4 games.

So Matt has to actually try to make plays to bring us back, like most QBs, and simply can't do it.

If the game is close, the D is playing well and Jamaal is doing what he normally does, Matt knows how to not screw it up. But that's about it.

Good point. No lead means playing catch up. Playing catch up means playing catch. Not his forte.

FAX

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 09:03 AM
Go back and watch that game in 2010 against Denver.

Running game? Sucked.

Defense? Sieve.

Cassel? Failing ultra fucking hard until Denver went prevent.

What did he do against the Raiders in the season finale? Same fucking shit.

Dude has always been fail, but Jamaal Charles and Charlie Weis could hide it against bad football teams.

Throw in bad games even when the rest of the team was doing well, like Buffalo 2010, and it wasn't hard to see what he was, and always will be.

A shitty fucking QB.

tredadda
10-03-2012, 09:04 AM
There is another possible factor ... I've only seen a few quarters of play so far, so I don't know ... but, are the enemy defenses bringing early and consistent pressure on him? If so, that could explain a lot of things.

FAX

They do that to all QBs unless said QB makes the defenses pay for it. The way to beat Manning was to get to him, Brady was the same way. More often than not they punished opposing defenses for it though.

SNR
10-03-2012, 09:05 AM
Who cares if he broke 4000 yards. His 27:7 got the team to the post season. He's a god damn game manager at best and that's what he did. He didn't hurt the team. He didn't turn it over. He threw a bunch of red zone TDs. That's the best you can expect from him. And it was much better than what he is doing this year.

Who cares if he broke 4000 yards?

I FUCKING DO.

It's really fucking easy to win games and complete a high TD:INT ratio when Jamaal Charles slices through shitty rape defenses between the 20s, and all you have to do is throw above coverage in the red zone and let Dwayne Bowe go get it.

Or Moeaki, but if you're looking for a guy who's regressed, he's certainly one of the culprits.

2010 Cassel IS the same QB we see now.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 09:05 AM
Why did we get blown out against Baltimore?

Was it the D? No.

Was it Charles? No.

It's 10-7 in the middle of the third fucking quarter. The third quarter, people!

Why? Cassel couldn't make a fucking play to get us any points.

Why did we get blown out from that point forward?

Cassel started turning it over.

Same. Fucking. Guy.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 09:15 AM
Who cares if he broke 4000 yards?

I ****ING DO.

It's really ****ing easy to win games and complete a high TD:INT ratio when Jamaal Charles slices through shitty rape defenses between the 20s, and all you have to do is throw above coverage in the red zone and let Dwayne Bowe go get it.

Or Moeaki, but if you're looking for a guy who's regressed, he's certainly one of the culprits.

2010 Cassel IS the same QB we see now.

Why the fuck are you expecting 4000 yards from Cassel? He's a game manager at best. Have realistic expectations.

He has more weapons this year and he is turning the ball over more. He can't manage the game. That is worse than 2010.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 09:15 AM
Why did we get blown out against Baltimore?

Was it the D? No.

Was it Charles? No.

It's 10-7 in the middle of the third ****ing quarter. The third quarter, people!

Why? Cassel couldn't make a ****ing play to get us any points.

Why did we get blown out from that point forward?

Cassel started turning it over.

Same. ****ing. Guy.

Cassel turned it over. So did Charles. So did Dex and the failed 4th down attempt.

KC Tattoo
10-03-2012, 09:17 AM
We are no better off now than we were with Damon Huard as QB. That's all Cassell reminds me of is Damon Huard 2.0

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 09:18 AM
We are no better off now than we were with Damon Huard as QB. That's all Cassell reminds me of is Damon Huard 2.0

Huard was better than Cassel. Shit, at least he could hit 60 percent.

bevischief
10-03-2012, 09:19 AM
2010 was the engagement, now we're married.

LMAO

SNR
10-03-2012, 09:20 AM
Why the fuck are you expecting 4000 yards from Cassel? He's a game manager at best. Have realistic expectations.

He has more weapons this year and he is turning the ball over more. He can't manage the game. That is worse than 2010.
That's my point. Game manager in 2010. Game manager now. The ONLY difference at all is the level of competition he faced. That's it.

HemiEd
10-03-2012, 09:21 AM
Now, I think we can all agree that while not great, he was at least serviceable in 2010, even decent in spurts. What did Weis/Haley do that got better production out of him? Most importantly, he didnít turn the ball over nearly as much. What was their secret and what is different now?

He hasn't regressed, he sucked then also.

He has one and a half good games as a Chief in 4 years. 2010 at Seattle, and the first half this season against Atlanta.

That is it, Jamaal Charles can be credited for the rest of the success of 2010.

BoneKrusher
10-03-2012, 09:21 AM
he is who we thought he was:
http://i48.tinypic.com/301zr0y.png

KC Tattoo
10-03-2012, 09:28 AM
Huard was better than Cassel. Shit, at least he could hit 60 percent.

Shit, that makes even worse because Huard was on a shit team then and Cassell is the one making this team shit. I didn't like Huard and I hated Cassell as a Patrifart. Did not want to begin with. Why the fuck did Pioli give Cassell that 63mil contract before he did anything as a Chief to earn it. He hasn't earned min vet sallary imo.

HemiEd
10-03-2012, 09:30 AM
the other 52 players on this roster figured out they are doomed with him as the starter.

There is a lot of truth to that IMO.

BoneKrusher
10-03-2012, 09:33 AM
There is a lot of truth to that IMO.

i think so.
why would these players wanna work their butts off in 100 plus degree weather during TC to go out week in and week out just to get their asses handed to them.
we know it, so do these guys.

theelusiveeightrop
10-03-2012, 09:34 AM
Regression is a strong word. Sucked more?

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 09:35 AM
Cassel turned it over. So did Charles. So did Dex and the failed 4th down attempt.

I can't fault JC on his turnovers.

Why?

Because he can score from anywhere on the field.

boogblaster
10-03-2012, 09:41 AM
2010 was a fluke ... carry on ....

noa
10-03-2012, 09:49 AM
He might be the most mentally fragile QB in the NFL.

IMO he found a level of comfort in Weis that he hasn't had since. By all accounts he was the best player in training camp. Without game day pressure even Cassel haters were saying he looked good in camp. Preseason and regular season rolls around and he continues to regress. I mean, he can't even accurately dump the ball off anymore. They don't even try to go downfield with 8 guys in the box.

I agree with this. I think he started getting on a roll early and that helped him get in a comfort zone. Not that Cassel's comfort zone makes him a good QB, it just helps him from soiling his britches as often. Moeaki's amazing TD catch was in Week 3. Stuff like that only helped Cassel feel more confident even though in reality, that was a shitty pass and Moeaki bailed him out.

Valiant
10-03-2012, 09:55 AM
He might be the most mentally fragile QB in the NFL.

IMO he found a level of comfort in Weis that he hasn't had since. By all accounts he was the best player in training camp. Without game day pressure even Cassel haters were saying he looked good in camp. Preseason and regular season rolls around and he continues to regress. I mean, he can't even accurately dump the ball off anymore. They don't even try to go downfield with 8 guys in the box.

Bs, it is revisionist history that he was good/great in 2010.

We played the easiest schedule in the nfl in a decade.
Our defense was able to keep things honest against those shit teams.
Charles exploded.

Cassel was a biproduct of everything else.

htismaqe
10-03-2012, 10:48 AM
He might be the most mentally fragile QB in the NFL.

And that might be an UNDERSTATEMENT.

L.A. Chieffan
10-03-2012, 11:44 AM
I wouldn't call being the All Time Franchise Leader in yards through four games, “regressing".

Molitoth
10-03-2012, 11:47 AM
I wouldn't call being the All Time Franchise Leader in yards through four games, ďregressing".

You are pretty good, but I think everyone knows your shtick by now. :p

Ace Gunner
10-03-2012, 12:01 PM
During 2010, Cassel had what this whole team had -- a leader in Todd Haley & three very good coords to pressure each squad into weekly focus & execution.

What we see now, is what this team really is. Losers. Fumbling, bumbling losers.

When the new staff arrives, there will be changes that will startle fans.

suzzer99
10-03-2012, 12:04 PM
With Weis at OC and Crennel at DC, I think we could've put Donald Duck at head coach and been fine. It really sucks that Haley is apparently such irascible douche that he ran Weis off and the whole thing unraveled.

suzzer99
10-03-2012, 12:06 PM
2010 was a fluke ... carry on ....

Apparently 2010 was Cassel's version of Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game where they go like 32 for 35 with five touchdowns and zero punts. He was playing at his absolute ceiling.

BoneKrusher
10-03-2012, 12:08 PM
During 2010, Cassel had what this whole team had -- a leader in Todd Haley & three very good coords to pressure each squad into weekly focus & execution.

What we see now, is what this team really is. Losers. Fumbling, bumbling losers.

When the new staff arrives, there will be changes that will startle fans.

whatever it takes.
i just dont wanna see anyone get a free pass like Cassel got with Pissholi.

mcaj22
10-03-2012, 12:12 PM
With Weis at OC and Crennel at DC, I think we could've put Donald Duck at head coach and been fine. It really sucks that Haley is apparently such irascible douche that he ran Weis off and the whole thing unraveled.

egos like Weis and Crennel never should have been brought in the first place (hindsight 20/20)

thats Pioli's fault bringing in all his Pats tree buddies and smothering Haley with a bunch of egos versus Haleys own ego

it is very clear now after almost a decade+ that Weis and Crennel cannot ****ing coach their way out of a paper bag, Pioli cannot GM worth a shit and Todd Haley is insane.

Todd Haley is at least finding success elsewhere, the other 3 are done and are a bunch of proven losers without Tom Brady

bevischief
10-03-2012, 12:14 PM
Because his Depends don't fit as snugly as they did in 2010. He sucks and always will.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 12:18 PM
He sucked in 2010, it's just that Charles was so good that it hid his inadequacies to most people.

When it mattered, like in the Texans game, he shit himself. When it mattered, like in the Baltimore game, he shit himself. This was all pointed out by a few people during that season.

Ahem.

tooge
10-03-2012, 12:22 PM
He sucked in 2010, it's just that Charles was so good that it hid his inadequacies to most people.

When it mattered, like in the Texans game, he shit himself. When it mattered, like in the Baltimore game, he shit himself. This was all pointed out by a few people during that season.

Ahem.

Pretty much. When you have a killer running game, you can dink and dunk your way through shitty defenses. The stats looked great, but the actual play didn't. Sort of like Peyton Manning right now. Big stats dinking and dunking his way through a really crappy defense. Shits bed otherwise.

cdcox
10-03-2012, 12:25 PM
I'm a stat guy, but I'm going to say ignore the stats and look at his fundamentals. They were always weak. And for that reason, I was never on the Cassel bandwagon, even in 2010.

Garcia Bronco
10-03-2012, 12:33 PM
Now, I think we can all agree that while not great, he was at least serviceable in 2010, even decent in spurts. What did Weis/Haley do that got better production out of him? Most importantly, he didnít turn the ball over nearly as much. What was their secret and what is different now?

Two things: Weis is a an excellent QB coach
Second: With the absence of good coaching and an upgraded lifestyle...Matt isn't trying hard enough or working smart enough.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 12:44 PM
Two things: Weis is a an excellent QB coach
Second: With the absence of good coaching and an upgraded lifestyle...Matt isn't trying hard enough or working smart enough.

Not true. He hit the flash cards hard this offseason. He worked with a pitching coach trying to improve his release.

He did this shit with other QBs.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1134670/207602_melt.jpg

He tried hard to suck badly.

mcaj22
10-03-2012, 12:47 PM
Not true. He hit the flash cards hard this offseason. He worked with a pitching coach trying to improve his release.

He did this shit with other QBs.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1134670/207602_melt.jpg

He tried hard to suck badly.


there are some nice steamy turd QBs in that picture

BoneKrusher
10-03-2012, 12:47 PM
Not true. He hit the flash cards hard this offseason. He worked with a pitching coach trying to improve his release.

He did this shit with other QBs.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1134670/207602_melt.jpg

He tried hard to suck badly.

looks like they're getting held up at gunpoint in a dark alley. :D

Cannibal
10-03-2012, 12:51 PM
I think Weis/Haley did a good job of protecting him. I think its been reported/mentioned that Weis dumbed down the system and worked on his mechanics as best he could. Basically got as much out of him as he possibly could. I do remember his mechanics and his throws seemed to be stronger in 2010.

I remember when Weis was brought in, he said "the first thing I have to do is 'fix' the quarterback".

His "fix" was to throw short passes and run the ball on obvious passing downs. It actually worked pretty well because it masked Cassel's weaknesses and Weis was a good play caller.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 12:53 PM
.
When it mattered, like in the Texans game, he shit himself.

http://i56.tinypic.com/23uwnex.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2r5su9u.jpg

Munson
10-03-2012, 12:55 PM
2010 was a complete fraud. We had the #1 running game and Jamaal was averaging over 6 ypc. He should have raped the league, but only threw for 3,100 yards. Pathetic!

The real Matt Cassel showed up against Baltimore, when he went 9/18, 70 yards, 3 INTs, took 3 sacks, and didn't even target Bowe one time in that game.

kaplin42
10-03-2012, 01:00 PM
He hasn't.

He has always played like dog shit against good teams, or when the Chiefs struggle to run the ball, or when the defense struggles.

That's the entire premise of The Declaration of Independence, MO.

Read it. Know it. Love it.

He is doing what he has always done.

The guy has been a sack of shit here outside of a handful of games in 2010, and a few in 2011 against utterly awful teams.

This is the answer right here.

In 2010 we played teams that failed at pass rush mostly, thus Cassel did ok. But every game that we played against a strong defense, he fail out right.

Rams game vs Ravens game.

He hasn't changed, we just haven't recieved a such a sissy schedule since then.

milkman
10-03-2012, 01:21 PM
27-7 is an aberration.

He completed less than 60% of his passes for just over 200 yards a game, a number that was buffered by the 400+ garbage time yards against the Donkeys.

He is still completing less than 60% of his passes with a lot of garbage time yards.

milkman
10-03-2012, 01:21 PM
Claythan has been nailing the truth throughout this thread.

Reaper16
10-03-2012, 01:25 PM
He only looked good against Arizona and Seattle in 2010. Find a torrent of that 2010 Seattle game. Cassel played better in that game than he's ever played in his life. That was some impressive fucking quarterbacking.

Too bad he's too mentally weak to play at even 10% of that level ever again.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 01:29 PM
He only looked good against Arizona and Seattle in 2010. Find a torrent of that 2010 Seattle game. Cassel played better in that game than he's ever played in his life. That was some impressive fucking quarterbacking.

Too bad he's too mentally weak to play at even 10% of that level ever again.

Even then, mostly he was hitting wide open guys.

Bowe was open by 10 yards on that 36-yard TD.

He was wide open on the TD slant.

He was wide open at the back of the end zone on his first TD.

Cassel's last TD to Moeaki was basically in "Positive" garbage time because we were up 11 points with 2-3 minutes left.

Cassel had like 230 yards passing in that game. He had a good game, but he didn't make a shit ton of impressive throws.

I could prove this all with GIFs, but...you know it's true.

whoman69
10-03-2012, 01:33 PM
He is what he has always been. It just shows up more on certain Sundays. He has always played horrible against the Chargers except when Haley got on his ass. Anyone who expected more from Cassel is delusional.

Reaper16
10-03-2012, 01:33 PM
Even then, mostly he was hitting wide open guys.

Bowe was open by 10 yards on that 36-yard TD.

He was wide open on the TD slant.

He was wide open at the back of the end zone on his first TD.

Cassel's last TD to Moeaki was basically in "Positive" garbage time because we were up 11 points with 2-3 minutes left.

Cassel had like 230 yards passing in that game. He had a good game, but he didn't make a shit ton of impressive throws.

I could prove this all with GIFs, but...you know it's true.

It was more the little things in that game. His footwork, decision making, 3rd-down completions, going through progressions. He played like a real quarterback that game.

Doubtless because there was no pressure from that pitiful Seahawks defense.

SNR
10-03-2012, 01:35 PM
27-7 is an aberration.

He completed less than 60% of his passes for just over 200 yards a game, a number that was buffered by the 400+ garbage time yards against the Donkeys.

He is still completing less than 60% of his passes with a lot of garbage time yards.

Chiefnj2 told me yards don't matter.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 01:39 PM
Chiefnj2 told me yards don't matter.

The question is why is Cassel 2012 worse than 2010, not why doesn't Cassel throw for yards like a real QB.

Some people claim he was just as bad in 2010 than he is now. I disagree. The 27:7 proves it. He was a better game manager in 2010 with Weis than he is now when he has even better receiving weapons around him. The comparison is between the two Cassel's, not Cassel and other NFL QBs.

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Here are Cassel's PFF breakdowns by year.

You can clearly see he only does well against shit defenses, apart from two games against San Diego. And he was fairly shitty in one of those games to be honest, he just avoided turnovers.

09 - 31st

10 - 28th, 29th, 27th, 26th

11 - 25th, 16th

http://i.imgur.com/NNV9A.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MEmdT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/08Tgx.jpg

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 01:51 PM
Some people claim he was just as bad in 2010 than he is now. I disagree. The 27:7 proves it. s.

All 27-7 proves is that there was less pressure on him to make plays.

We played crappy teams, the running game beasted, and the defense was typically playing with a lead.

He wasn't asked to do much, so he avoided turnovers, and Bowe got the ball into the end zone. Or Charles got us near the end zone, and Cassel threw a short pass for a TD. To Bowe.

Mirage.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 01:52 PM
All 27-7 proves is that there was less pressure on him to make plays.

We played crappy teams, the running game beasted, and the defense was typically playing with a lead.

He wasn't asked to do much, so he avoided turnovers, and Bowe got the ball into the end zone. Or Charles got us near the end zone, and Cassel threw a short pass for a TD. To Bowe.

Mirage.

We are playing crappy teams now and last year and he sucked/sucks.

Jive Ass
10-03-2012, 01:54 PM
Weis knew what he was working with. He called plays suited to Cassel's talents (lack thereof). He gave him little room for failure, but you can only do so much. The 2010 season still showed signs of his true capabilities (again, lack thereof).

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 01:56 PM
We are playing crappy teams now and last year and he sucked/sucks.

The Chargers aren't crappy. The Falcons aren't crappy. The Bills' defensive line was good enough to ruin Cassel's shit.

It's not a coincidence that Cassel was "good enough" to help us beat the Saints.

And what happened in that game? The running game beasted. The defense beasted. Just like 2010.

Cassel's best games come against horrible football teams. Proven fact.

milkman
10-03-2012, 02:06 PM
The question is why is Cassel 2012 worse than 2010, not why doesn't Cassel throw for yards like a real QB.

Some people claim he was just as bad in 2010 than he is now. I disagree. The 27:7 proves it. He was a better game manager in 2010 with Weis than he is now when he has even better receiving weapons around him. The comparison is between the two Cassel's, not Cassel and other NFL QBs.

He hasn't regressed.

He played exactly the same against good defenses that could get any pressure then that he is playing now.

He simply didn't face as many defenses that could get a push.

And many of these "pressures" are his own fault because of his total lack of pocket awareness.

He consistently runs himself into pressure when he has a clean pocket to step up into.

milkman
10-03-2012, 02:07 PM
The Chargers aren't crappy. The Falcons aren't crappy. The Bills' defensive line was good enough to ruin Cassel's shit.

It's not a coincidence that Cassel was "good enough" to help us beat the Saints.

And what happened in that game? The running game beasted. The defense beasted. Just like 2010.

Cassel's best games come against horrible football teams. Proven fact.

Have you looked at the PFF numbers from this last game?

If so, how many pressures and sacks were assigned to the O-Line, and to Cassel, according to them?

Count Alex's Wins
10-03-2012, 02:14 PM
Have you looked at the PFF numbers from this last game?

If so, how many pressures and sacks were assigned to the O-Line, and to Cassel, according to them?

Cassel only got assigned a QB hit.

They assigned sacks to Winston and Gray.

SDG only had two sacks.

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 02:36 PM
Can we put the Weis excuse to bed, now?

Cassel's 'success' is attributed to facing shitty teams.

JC running over everyone certainly didn't hurt.

Same shit QB.

New World Order
10-03-2012, 02:53 PM
He hasn't.

He has always played like dog shit against good teams, or when the Chiefs struggle to run the ball, or when the defense struggles.

That's the entire premise of The Declaration of Independence, MO.

Read it. Know it. Love it.

He is doing what he has always done.

The guy has been a sack of shit here outside of a handful of games in 2010, and a few in 2011 against utterly awful teams.


This.

Nothing has changed with Cassel, except the strength of schedule

Balloon Knot
10-03-2012, 04:57 PM
Maybe having a new Offensive coordinator every year had something to do with it? Cassel's the man guys, he already has the record for most passing yards by a Chiefs QB in the first four games! What more do you want?! You just wait, he's going to have the game of his life against the ravens this weekend! You can quote me on it! Go chiefs an go Cassel!!! :arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:

New World Order
10-03-2012, 05:00 PM
Maybe having a new Offensive coordinator every year had something to do with it? Cassel's the man guys, he already has the record for most passing yards by a Chiefs QB in the first four games! What more do you want?! You just wait, he's going to have the game of his life against the ravens this weekend! You can quote me on it! Go chiefs an go Cassel!!! :arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:



I hope you take a direct hit today from an amtrak train

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 05:00 PM
Maybe having a new Offensive coordinator every year had something to do with it? Cassel's the man guys, he already has the record for most passing yards by a Chiefs QB in the first four games! What more do you want?! You just wait, he's going to have the game of his life against the ravens this weekend! You can quote me on it! Go chiefs an go Cassel!!! :arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:

Just shut the fuck up, Mult.

The Chiefs have been using the same exact system with the same exact terminology since Pioli was hired.

JFC.

TEX
10-03-2012, 05:00 PM
This.

Nothing has changed with Cassel, except the strength of schedule

He wasn't really all that at New England. It was more New England than Cassel.

Balloon Knot
10-03-2012, 05:01 PM
Just shut the **** up, Mult.

The Chiefs have been using the same exact system with the same exact terminology since Pioli was hired.

JFC.

What is a mult?

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 05:01 PM
Maybe having a new Offensive coordinator every year had something to do with it? Cassel's the man guys, he already has the record for most passing yards by a Chiefs QB in the first four games! What more do you want?! You just wait, he's going to have the game of his life against the ravens this weekend! You can quote me on it! Go chiefs an go Cassel!!! :arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:

STOP TROLLING

Tribal Warfare
10-03-2012, 05:01 PM
Maybe having a new Offensive coordinator every year had something to do with it? Cassel's the man guys, he already has the record for most passing yards by a Chiefs QB in the first four games! What more do you want?! You just wait, he's going to have the game of his life against the ravens this weekend! You can quote me on it! Go chiefs an go Cassel!!! :arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:

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SuperChief
10-03-2012, 05:01 PM
Maybe having a new Offensive coordinator every year had something to do with it? Cassel's the man guys, he already has the record for most passing yards by a Chiefs QB in the first four games! What more do you want?! You just wait, he's going to have the game of his life against the ravens this weekend! You can quote me on it! Go chiefs an go Cassel!!! :arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4cffed65cadcbb3428090000-400-300/i-just-love-it-when-people-say-i-cant-do-it-theres-nothing-that-makes-me-feel-better-because-all-my-life-people-have-said-that-i-wasnt-going-to-make-it-.jpg

Balloon Knot
10-03-2012, 05:04 PM
STOP TROLLING

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP CALLING ME A TROLL/MULT? (i don't even know what the hell a mult is) I just support our starting qb and want him to do well. i don't see how bashing him is going to help. Go chiefs and go cassel!

SuperChief
10-03-2012, 05:05 PM
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP CALLING ME A TROLL/MULT? (i don't even know what the hell a mult is) I just support our starting qb and want him to do well. i don't see how bashing him is going to help. Go chiefs and go cassel!

http://cdn.thesandtrap.com/0/04/0464925e_funny-captions-what-is-this-i-dont-even.jpeg

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 05:06 PM
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP CALLING ME A TROLL/MULT? (i don't even know what the hell a mult is) I just support our starting qb and want him to do well. i don't see how bashing him is going to help. Go chiefs and go cassel!

What you are doing now, is trolling.

We are not amused or even remotely interested in your nonsense.

Tribal Warfare
10-03-2012, 05:06 PM
STOP TROLLING

Don't respond to him, the worst thing to do is to empower him with a reaction.

Chiefnj2
10-03-2012, 05:07 PM
What is a mult?

Hairstyle worn by Billy Ray Cyrus that many Chief fans still wear while driving Camaro's and sporting Zubaz.

htismaqe
10-03-2012, 05:09 PM
Hairstyle worn by Billy Ray Cyrus that many Chief fans still wear while driving Camaro's and sporting Zubaz.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 05:10 PM
Can we put the Weis excuse to bed, now?

Cassel's 'success' is attributed to facing shitty teams.

JC running over everyone certainly didn't hurt.

Same shit QB.

I think what's also happening is the overall team is worse than 2010. Especially on defense and special teams. Because of this, Cassel has been forced to carry more of the load trying to keep up with the opposition offense which has resulted in more INTs and turnovers.

Balloon Knot
10-03-2012, 05:12 PM
What you are doing now, is trolling.

We are not amused or even remotely interested in your nonsense.

Only on this forum supporting your starting qb is "trolling". :harumph:

TEX
10-03-2012, 05:13 PM
I think what's also happening is the overall team is worse than 2010. Especially on defense and special teams. Because of this, Cassel has been forced to carry more of the load trying to keep up with the opposition offense which has resulted in more INTs and turnovers.

Exactly - and the person responsible for year 4 in ANYTHING this bad, deserves to get fired. Period.

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 05:14 PM
Only on this forum supporting your starting qb is "trolling". :harumph:

Maybe if the QB in question was actually worth a shit.

TEX
10-03-2012, 05:15 PM
Hairstyle worn by Billy Ray Cyrus that many Chief fans still wear while driving Camaro's and sporting Zubaz.

I'll give you hair styles and Camaros, but there is NOTHING wrong with sporting Zubaz DAMMIT!

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 05:15 PM
Hairstyle worn by Billy Ray Cyrus that many Chief fans still wear while driving Camaro's and sporting Zubaz.

Hey, I had a mullet and a pair of Zubaz...

20 years ago. LOL

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 05:18 PM
I think what's also happening is the overall team is worse than 2010.
I don't think so.

Its the poor competition they faced.

I still think there is talent on this team.

The roster needs to be tweaked.

We need a new QB and a new coaching staff.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 05:18 PM
Hey, I had a mullet and a pair of Zubaz...

20 years ago. LOL
http://performancestreet.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/zubaz.jpg

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 05:19 PM
I don't think so.

Its the poor competition they faced.

I still think there is talent on this team.

The roster needs to be tweaked.

We need a new QB and a new coaching staff.

Talent on paper perhaps. I'm still undecided on a few guys....are they underachieving or overrated?

Certainly a new coaching staff would help.

TEX
10-03-2012, 05:20 PM
I don't think so.

Its the poor competition they faced.

I still think there is talent on this team.

The roster needs to be tweaked.

We need a new QB and a new coaching staff.

More holes STILL than talent...

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 05:26 PM
http://performancestreet.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/zubaz.jpg

Damn. That mesh shirt is so choice.

LMAO

keg in kc
10-03-2012, 05:28 PM
He hasn't really regressed. 2010 was a mirage. He had a bunch of terrible games, and got a lopsided TD/Int ratio because they kept giving him short TDs in the red zone. He wasn't very good that year, either.

BigMeatballDave
10-03-2012, 05:29 PM
More holes STILL than talent...

A good QB will mask most of the holes.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 05:45 PM
He was being hidden by a great running game and an offensive coordinator who understood what he could and what he couldn't do.

The offense as a whole was run so well that Cassel only threw 7 picks all year - and he had two 2-interception games. He was never lighting it up, he just played in 14 games and only had three picks over that span.

That's why his rating was high and the team managed to get blown out in a wild card game. He didn't turn the ball over. He was never going to win a title, but his very best was good enough for the team to make the playoffs.

ROYC75
10-03-2012, 07:37 PM
How many teams did he play that had a winning record? How wild did Jamal Charles run?

The guy sucks. Ass. And our GM thinks he can win a Super Bowl with him.

DING DING DING!:banghead:

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-03-2012, 07:39 PM
A good QB will mask most of the holes.

Why do people not understand this? There are plenty of flawed teams getting by because the QB postion masks the shit on thier roster.

el borracho
10-04-2012, 05:16 AM
Vision impairment.

You see, Matt Cassel is a very large, mouth-breathing flat fish, At birth, he had one eye on each side of his head, and swam like a salmon. After six months, one eye migrated to the other side, making Matt look more like a flounder. At the same time, the stationary-eyed side darkens to match the green grass of Arrowhead, while the other side remains white. This colour scheme disguises Matt from above (blending with the turf) and from below (blending into the stadium lights) and is known as countershading. In short, it's very difficult to see the entire field when one's eyes are drifting ever closer together.

FAX
10-04-2012, 03:50 PM
How many teams did he play that had a winning record? How wild did Jamal Charles run?

The guy sucks. Ass. And our GM thinks he can win a Super Bowl with him.

No he doesn't. He just wants the fans to think that.

And a lot of them do.

FAX

New World Order
10-04-2012, 04:36 PM
He was being hidden by a great running game and an offensive coordinator who understood what he could and what he couldn't do.

The offense as a whole was run so well that Cassel only threw 7 picks all year - and he had two 2-interception games. He was never lighting it up, he just played in 14 games and only had three picks over that span.

That's why his rating was high and the team managed to get blown out in a wild card game. He didn't turn the ball over. He was never going to win a title, but his very best was good enough for the team to make the playoffs.



Look at his numbers against .500 teams and over in 2010. They are comparable to waht he is doing now.

Nothing changed except for the strength of schedule

Rausch
10-04-2012, 04:39 PM
Would you say he regressed or that 10 was a statistical anomaly?...

durtyrute
10-04-2012, 04:52 PM
Not true. He hit the flash cards hard this offseason. He worked with a pitching coach trying to improve his release.

He did this shit with other QBs.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1134670/207602_melt.jpg

He tried hard to suck badly.

I don't know what the hell this is, but only one maybe two look like they belong.