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DaFace
10-03-2012, 05:44 PM
I know at least I'll need it in order to keep from throwing a brick through my TV tonight...

http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/pres-debate-drinking-game.jpg

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 05:50 PM
Blaming the previous administration and class warfare rhetoric is going to put people in the hospital, don't do it...

HonestChieffan
10-03-2012, 05:54 PM
Repub congress must be held accountable....

Dayze
10-03-2012, 06:33 PM
Fuck that. I gotta work tomorrow

AndChiefs
10-03-2012, 06:35 PM
Yeah...I don't think I can drink that much.

blaise
10-03-2012, 06:59 PM
You could probably get hammered if you just drank every time Obama said, "inherited" or, "unprecedented."

patteeu
10-03-2012, 07:17 PM
Anyone who plays that game is gonna need this:

http://www.bacchusnetworkstore.org/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/360x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/l/alcohol_poisoning_kit.jpg

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 07:55 PM
ROFL...you'll be drinking the entire time.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:05 PM
That was the most awkward "sweetie" I've ever heard... You can tell someone wrote that for him, haha

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:08 PM
I'm predicting that Romney will win the debate, with the caveat that by "win", I'm not talking about substance of the argument, but by how low-information voters will generally receive them.

Obama has always been a terrific scripted speaker, but in debates he has always been awkward and clunky. Romney did very, very well in the GOP debates.

I also don't think winning the debates will do a damned thing to prevent Romney from losing.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:10 PM
Obama is already on the defensive

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:10 PM
I hereby nominate this thread to be the official debate comment thread.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:12 PM
I hereby nominate this thread to be the official debate comment thread.

Heh...I feel so honored.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:12 PM
That "ignores a question from the moderator" rule is going to kill all participants.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:14 PM
still looking for a question, Romney.

He's filibustering to take up the majority of the 15 minute segment.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:15 PM
Obama just whiffed on how his tax cuts helped.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:15 PM
That "ignores a question from the moderator" rule is going to kill all participants.

I intentionally stay out of this stuff for the most part. Could you explain this?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:16 PM
The Blameless One looks scared and unsure

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:18 PM
The Blameless One looks scared and unsure

So far, he's getting annihilated.

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:19 PM
getting a bit chippy here.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:19 PM
I intentionally stay out of this stuff for the most part. Could you explain this?

Your drinking game says to drink when a candidate ignores the moderator's question. There's a reason why that rule is in there, politicians are NOTORIOUS for doing this, especially Romney and to a lesser extent, Obama. Lehrer asked Romney if he wanted to ask Obama a question about jobs, and Romney flatly ignored him and went on a big multi-minute oral screed without addressing Obama with a question.

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:19 PM
it's nice to see romney on the attack a bit.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:20 PM
Neither has really gotten into a lot of specifics but Romney has moreso than Obama. Obama is resorting to rhetoric and name dropping (Bill Clinton)

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:20 PM
So far, he's getting annihilated.

At least in boxing someone will stop a fight. Barry is getting his ass handed to him. Say "and" again Barry LMAO

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:21 PM
Obama just basically just tried to use Donald Trump as why to tax small business???

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:21 PM
Your drinking game says to drink when a candidate ignores the moderator's question. There's a reason why that rule is in there, politicians are NOTORIOUS for doing this, especially Romney and to a lesser extent, Obama. Lehrer asked Romney if he wanted to ask Obama a question about jobs, and Romney flatly ignored him and went on a big multi-minute oral screed without addressing Obama with a question.

ROFL...I thought you were talking about Obama and Romney as "participants" and that there was some new rule governing the debate that I didn't know about. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

But yes - they do like to completely ignore the question and go back to the same old talking points. It's obnoxious.

Saulbadguy
10-03-2012, 08:22 PM
Romney is getting destroyed.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:22 PM
This "reaction is forbidden" rule in today's debates is going to make "big moments" like what we saw in the Reagan debates, impossible.

It wasn't only the quip or clever words that made them memorable, it was the laughter and/or roar from the crowd.

If the crowd is going to always be silent from now on, then the undecided and low-information voters are going to get bored with the endless drone and tune out.

This debate isn't going to do anything to the polls if it keeps going like this.

kstater
10-03-2012, 08:22 PM
Neither has really gotten into a lot of specifics but Romney has moreso than Obama. Obama is resorting to rhetoric and name dropping (Bill Clinton)

What specific has Romney said?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:23 PM
Looks bad when O'Bama won't look at Romney when he addresses him

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-03-2012, 08:23 PM
Romney is getting destroyed.

what are you watching?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:23 PM
Romney is getting destroyed.

MainSteam Media analysis?

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:24 PM
Romney is getting destroyed.

no one is getting destroyed. GOP partisans will mock Obama's clunky awkwardness, and Dem partisans are going to laugh at Romney's talking points, but the voters who matter are going to get bored.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:24 PM
Obama has not presented anything but rhetoric so far. I am not saying Romney is nailing detailed specifics but he is ahead nonetheless. And another Bill Clinton name drop.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:24 PM
Romney is getting destroyed.

um... not at all, Obama got a few solid jabs in but as a debate judge for years, I can tell you, Romney is winning on overall on almost all fronts.

The far right will of course say Romney is winning, far left will say Obama is winning.. but based on what I am seeing, Romney is winning the middle right now.. and that is what matters.

Munson
10-03-2012, 08:25 PM
I'm stuck listening to this on radio.

It seems like O is getting a little mad.

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:25 PM
ahhhh, clinton. he who benefitted from the tech bubble. the same tech bubble that led to the first bush II recession.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:25 PM
Regardless of what he's saying, Romney's a bit of an ass when it comes to respecting the moderator.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:25 PM
What specific has Romney said?

I thought he 5 points were much better stated than Obama's plan.

Saulbadguy
10-03-2012, 08:25 PM
Flip, flop

NewChief
10-03-2012, 08:25 PM
ROFL...I thought you were talking about Obama and Romney as "participants" and that there was some new rule governing the debate that I didn't know about. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

But yes - they do like to completely ignore the question and go back to the same old talking points. It's obnoxious.

It's called "the pivot," and NPR did a whole special on it this morning. It was pretty interesting. Basically, take the question, find a way to "pivot" it to get into a prerehearsed answer. The "expert" on NPR estimated that this was usually done like 70% of the time.

Here's the report:
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/03/162103368/how-politicians-get-away-with-dodging-the-question

October 3, 2012
Brett O'Donnell is a debate consultant who trains Republican candidates. He has worked with George W. Bush and John McCain, and for a short time earlier this year, he helped prep Mitt Romney.

O'Donnell is an expert on "the pivot."

If you have watched a debate, you have watched a pivot. "The pivot is a way of taking a question that might be on a specific subject, and moving to answer it on your own terms," O'Donnell says.

Take, as just one small example, a moment from the 2004 debate between President George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry.


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You could, by the way, just as easily use an example from Kerry — both Bush and Kerry used pivots roughly the same amount of the time.

In this case, the moderator, Bob Schieffer of CBS News, asked President Bush about job loss. What, Schieffer wondered, would Bush say to someone who has lost his job? Bush began by promising to "continue to grow our economy" and then, subtly, changed course. Suddenly, Bush was talking about education, specifically his signature No Child Left Behind legislation. "I went to Washington to solve problems," he explained. "And I saw a problem in the public education system."

In two or three sentences, Bush had moved from a question about lack of jobs to an answer about education and a promise fulfilled. That is the power of the pivot. Which is why, in the age of debate coaches like O'Donnell, candidates in both parties use them all the time — "frequently," O'Donnell says, "better than 60 or 70 percent of the time, I would say."

The question is, how good are viewers at identifying these "pivots" — or, in the language of my people (journalists who ask questions), "dodges"?

How good are you?

There's a man at Harvard who actually has an answer to that question.

The Pivot And The Brain

Todd Rogers, a behavioral psychologist at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, got interested in looking at pivots, or dodges, or whatever you want to call them, after watching the 2004 Bush-Kerry debate I quoted earlier.

To him, the dodging on both sides of that debate was enraging, and he couldn't understand why others didn't feel the same.

To figure it out, he decided to do a study that tried to replicate what typical viewers see when they watch a debate.

He recorded a moderator asking candidates a series of questions.

In the first question, the moderator asked the candidates about health care in America, and the politician answered with a health care answer — a long disquisition on why Americans could not afford the care they needed.

Rogers then took that answer and used it as a response to a totally different moderator question, this one about the problem of illegal drug use. So one set of people saw a candidate answering a health care question with a health care answer, while another group saw an illegal-drug use question answered with a health care answer. Essentially, the second group saw a relatively subtle pivot, from drug use question to health care answer.

Finally, he had a third group view the moderator asking a question about terrorism, which was answered again with the exact same health care answer — a much more blatant shift.

At the end of this he asked the different groups two things:

Can you remember what question the person was asked?

How honest, likable and trustworthy is this person?

'Exploiting Our Cognitive Limitation'

What he found was that when a politician answered the health care question with a health care answer, viewers could recall the question and thought the candidate was likable, honest and trustworthy.

When the politician pivoted a little bit and answered the illegal drug question with a health care answer, viewers could not recall the question — but they didn't penalize the politician at all. "Listeners thought he was just as honest, trustworthy and likable as the guy who actually answered the question," Rogers says.

It was only when the politician answered the terrorism question with a health care answer that people could actually tell. "Everyone noticed, and they thought he was a jerk," Rogers says.

This led Rogers to the conclusion that people are capable of detecting dodges — but only if they're egregious. They don't seem capable of detecting subtle evasions.

Rogers believes this is because we have limited attention, and most of the time when we're watching debates, we spend that attention on social evaluation — Do we like this person? Do we trust this person? — and only generally monitor content.

It's only when the speaker is wildly inconsistent that some deep mental wire is tripped. "It raises some flags, and we direct our limited attention to assessing whether this person is doing something unusual by failing to answer the question and offering an egregiously different answer," Rogers says.

This, Rogers believes, is why politicians can get away with dodging questions as much as 70 percent of the time.

"Politicians," he says, "are exploiting our cognitive limitation without punishment

Chocolate Hog
10-03-2012, 08:26 PM
Romney is winning the debate.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:26 PM
And another Bill Clinton name drop.

That is not a negative. Not sure why you keep pointing that out as if it were some unforced error.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:27 PM
That is not a negative. Not sure why you keep pointing that out as if it were some unforced error.

Because he keeps trying to paint himself as Clinton and he has not had 1/10 of the success that Clinton had.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:28 PM
Odd time to mention he wants to cut funding for PBS, but OK.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:28 PM
Because he keeps trying to paint himself as Clinton and he has not had 1/10 of the success that Clinton had.

Who cares, we are talking about low-information voters. Clinton is, by far by a massive landslide, the most popular living president. If GWB were not political nuclear waste, Romney would be relying on him to some extent in the campaign.

Munson
10-03-2012, 08:29 PM
Here comes the blame Bush part.

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:29 PM
heh heh...he inherited the mess. here we go again. is this 2008? what the fuck have you been doing for four years?!?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:29 PM
O'Bama's blamegame doesn't work in a debate

Otter
10-03-2012, 08:29 PM
Bum Fuck Barry is a hunk of shit.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:30 PM
Pretty one-sided so far

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:31 PM
Romney is winning the debate.

It is not even close, Barry is red faced mad because his only response is "I know you are but what am I" If this drinking game was take a shot each time Barry says "and" I would be smashed~

NewChief
10-03-2012, 08:32 PM
I'm shocked... shocked... that the conservatives think that Obama is getting beat.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:32 PM
Barry's looking to the ref for a standing 8 count

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:33 PM
There is no way to debate around "that's what you said four years ago", which is what we are seeing tonight

Mr. Flopnuts
10-03-2012, 08:34 PM
Romney is killing Obama right now. Didn't expect this.

Guru
10-03-2012, 08:34 PM
is the moderator even moderating this debate?

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm shocked... shocked... that the conservatives think that Obama is getting beat.

Sure, we are biased, but I think Romney has to be winning this on every card right now.

Obama can't talk business with a businessman because that's not who he is, economics is not is forte.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm shocked... shocked... that the conservatives think that Obama is getting beat.

Yeah, both of them seem like spoiled kids to me so far.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:35 PM
Ok, Barry, you've been Prez for 4 years, why haven't you done anything about the Oil Welfare Program?

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:35 PM
Romney is killing Obama right now. Didn't expect this.

you're a conservative, apparently.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:36 PM
Ok, Barry, you've been Prez for 4 years, why haven't you done anything about the Offshore Tax Deduction Program?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:36 PM
you're a conservative, apparently.

Must watch Fox News

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:36 PM
He's fallen back to corporate jets now.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:36 PM
I'm shocked... shocked... that the conservatives think that Obama is getting beat.

You know I like and respect you. That said I am shocked any thinks he is not~

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:37 PM
so, is granny going to be eating cat-food?

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:37 PM
I love it, "we'll ahve to get rid of a whole bunch of 'stuff' "

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:37 PM
Ok, Barry, you've been Prez for 4 years, why haven't you done anything about the Offshore Tax Deduction Program?

Did he disband congress and seize power over 2 branches of government?

Munson
10-03-2012, 08:37 PM
Obama - raise revenue by taxing the rich guys

Romney - raise revenue by getting more people working again

NewChief
10-03-2012, 08:38 PM
You know I like and respect you. That said I am shocked any thinks he is not~

As the article I posted says: I'm pretty sure that anyone watching the debate is just looking for social cues that reaffirm their preconceived beliefs.

I'm not even watching the debate, though. So what do I know? I'd rather read Chiefsplanet's threads and listen to music.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:38 PM
is the moderator even moderating this debate?

He's actually doing a FANTASTIC job.. I am impressed as hell with how well he's done.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:38 PM
Did he disband congress and seize power over 2 branches of government?

For 2 years, yes

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:39 PM
Obama doesn't get it. He can't complain about all these problems without having a reason for why he hasn't done anything about them.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:39 PM
Romney - raise revenue by getting more people working again

In other words, either trickle-down crap or meaningless happy-talk with zero specifics or substance.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 08:39 PM
Romney is destroying

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:39 PM
LMAO, you gave 50 years of oil welfare away to failing green companies in 1 year!

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:40 PM
For 2 years, yes

Bullcrap. A majority in the Senate is 60 votes, and they didn't have that long enough to get much more than the ACA done.

Otter
10-03-2012, 08:40 PM
I like how Barry can't make eye contact for more than 3 seconds. He's a ****ing tool. The country will be a better place when he's gone.

WilliamTheIrish
10-03-2012, 08:40 PM
Romney sounds good. I think. I can't tell if Mitt's looking good or the expectations are so low and he's not living down to the them.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:41 PM
Bullcrap. A majority in the Senate is 60 votes, and they didn't have that long enough to get much more than the ACA done.

He picked his battle....no use whining about it

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:41 PM
As the article I posted says: I'm pretty sure that anyone watching the debate is just looking for social cues that reaffirm their preconceived beliefs.

I'm not even watching the debate, though. So what do I know? I'd rather read Chiefsplanet's threads and listen to music.

LMAO cool bro, I am watching and you know I am not a Romney fan. That said this is a mismatch. Mitt is tearing him apart~

Mr. Flopnuts
10-03-2012, 08:41 PM
you're a conservative, apparently.

Conservatives would disagree.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:41 PM
How could he leave out the cell phones???????

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 08:41 PM
Isn't the topic Social Security and not Medicare?

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:42 PM
Conservatives would disagree.

yeah, I know. check your meter, brah.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-03-2012, 08:42 PM
I've been in business for 25 years and i don't know what your talking about LINE OF THE NIGHT

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:42 PM
The moderation here has not been assertive enough...

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:43 PM
Romney sounds good. I think. I can't tell if Mitt's looking good or the expectations are so low and he's not living down to the them.

Mitt is a better debater than Obama. Not that its a relevant skill for the job, but he is.

Guru
10-03-2012, 08:43 PM
He's actually doing a FANTASTIC job.. I am impressed as hell with how well he's done.

yeah, I had just tuned in and it seemed like he was just letting them talk forever rather than sticking to the time limits. After watching further, I agree, he is doing a great job.

whoman69
10-03-2012, 08:44 PM
Maverick

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:44 PM
O'Bama = Nixon

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:44 PM
holy shit. romney is beating ass.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 08:44 PM
How is anybody, anybody think somebody is winning? It is what I thought it was. point A: blah blah blah
point b: you're a liar

rinse and repeat

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:44 PM
Romney just blasted him on Medicare.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:45 PM
That distinction about Medicare payments is exactly correct and I haven't heard this mentioned yet in this campaign. They aren't cutting waste and fraud, they just say "we are paying you less for this procedure, deal with it"

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:45 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Romney will not cut Medicare. Either he is a liar, or we're screwed because some sort of medicare savings is absolutely required.

Saulbadguy
10-03-2012, 08:45 PM
FLOP

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:46 PM
How is anybody, anybody think somebody is winning? It is what I thought it was. point A: blah blah blah
point b: you're a liar

rinse and repeat

Yeah, I have no idea how anyone can claim either of them is destroying the other at all. Both of them basically just say "my vague plan is better than your vague plan :p" and that's about it.

WilliamTheIrish
10-03-2012, 08:46 PM
I don't know about 'winning' the debate, but Romney is very assertive.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:46 PM
Oh yea, Obama, tell us how you know more about insurance than anyone....

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:46 PM
I've been in business for 25 years and i don't know what your talking about LINE OF THE NIGHT

Or "trickle down government" LMAO

wazu
10-03-2012, 08:47 PM
Romney is crushing it.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 08:47 PM
both sides resorting to some scare tactics

Saulbadguy
10-03-2012, 08:47 PM
I don't know about 'winning' the debate, but Romney is very assertive.

He's a waffler.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:48 PM
Yeah, I have no idea how anyone can claim either of them is destroying the other at all. Both of them basically just say "my vague plan is better than your vague plan :p" and that's about it.

I'm a debate nerd so my judgement is based on pure debate... BUT I also think Romney is presenting himself better to the few undecideds out there.. but that part is a guess.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:49 PM
I think the Medicare issue is shifting before our eyes.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 08:49 PM
I'm a debate nerd so my judgement is based on pure debate... BUT I also think Romney is presenting himself better to the few undecideds out there.. but that part is a guess.

Well, I'm undecided, and I'm about to turn it off. Neither of them will even answer the damn questions being asked.

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 08:49 PM
lawk bawx

<img src="http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01515/alGore_1515233c.jpg">

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:50 PM
IF Romney wants a "zinger" he needs to use the word LIE.. the next time Obama tries to paint Romneys plan or points in his own terms... Romney need to SLIGHTLY raise his voice and say "That's a LIE"

That is Romney's best bet to make a splash here if he wants.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:51 PM
Well, I'm undecided, and I'm about to turn it off. Neither of them will even answer the damn questions being asked.

So, my guess was wrong! :)

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:51 PM
Romney won the economy/jobs.

Obama is winning on Medicare. Not really surprising because that is solid home turf for any Dem. Romney is very agitated and defensive on this topic.

They'll get back to topics that are at least neutral or more favorable to Romney in 10 minutes or so.

Swanman
10-03-2012, 08:52 PM
I'm a debate nerd so my judgement is based on pure debate... BUT I also think Romney is presenting himself better to the few undecideds out there.. but that part is a guess.

Romney has done a good job of showing a bit more human side, I will give him credit for that. He really likes debating, so it's not too surprising that he seems to be winning.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:52 PM
Anyone who thinks this is close is either a blind follower of the left or simply clueless~

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 08:52 PM
IF Romney wants a "zinger" he needs to use the word LIE.. the next time Obama tries to paint Romneys plan or points in his own terms... Romney need to SLIGHTLY raise his voice and say "That's a LIE"

That is Romney's best bet to make a splash here if he wants.

Right now Romney is flustered as fuck.

kstater
10-03-2012, 08:52 PM
Going after the moderator probably isn't great idea.

Easy 6
10-03-2012, 08:53 PM
I'm off tomorrow, count me in, looks like i have some catching up to do...

HonestChieffan
10-03-2012, 08:53 PM
Jim Lehr needs to shut the fuck up. Mitt is handing Obama his ass. Let the big dog eat.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 08:53 PM
Anyone who thinks this is close is either a blind follower of the left or simply clueless~

I'm Independent and it's the most lopsided debate I've seen in many many years

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:53 PM
ha Lehrer.. "no let's not" ... awesome work.

kstater
10-03-2012, 08:53 PM
Romney has done a good job of showing a bit more human side, I will give him credit for that.
I don't disagree, but he gave it all right back there trying to talk down to the mdoerator.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:53 PM
IF Romney wants a "zinger" he needs to use the word LIE.. the next time Obama tries to paint Romneys plan or points in his own terms... Romney need to SLIGHTLY raise his voice and say "That's a LIE"

That is Romney's best bet to make a splash here if he wants.

What he is doing is working well. I think the goal is to lay out the facts and let people draw the conclusion on their own. If you wag your finger at the other guy you look like a bully. He's winning right now without attacking, just showing command of these issues.

AndChiefs
10-03-2012, 08:55 PM
I'm an independent. I thought Obama did much better on the Medicare section. The rest of this debate has been completely owned by Romney.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 08:55 PM
Right now he's flustered like Matt Cassell, call a timeout Romeo!!!

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:55 PM
What he is doing is working well. I think the goal is to lay out the facts and let people draw the conclusion on their own. If you wag your finger at the other guy you look like a bully. He's winning right now without attacking, just showing command of these issues.

True.. I was just pointing out the easiest way to make a big splash. Obama keeps trying to tell Romney what Romney's policies are... You are correct that Romney is doing a fine job as it is in defending himself though.

kstater
10-03-2012, 08:55 PM
Mitt, I got a mortgage in less than a week.

Swanman
10-03-2012, 08:56 PM
I'm an independent. I thought Obama did much better on the Medicare. The rest of this debate has been completely owned by Romney.

Romney's strong suit is economy/finance so that's not terribly surprising.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:56 PM
What he is doing is working well. I think the goal is to lay out the facts and let people draw the conclusion on their own. If you wag your finger at the other guy you look like a bully. He's winning right now without attacking, just showing command of these issues.

yep, "YOU LIE!" would backfire hilariously.

I think Romney is doing about as well as he could hope for. Not that it will do anything especially with this "no crowd reaction" format which leads to interminable droning, but he's going to get any benefit (maybe zero) that is possible from a debate.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 08:56 PM
uh oh, shit's about to get real...

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:57 PM
Two hours is a long debate. I wonder what the profile of moderate voters is. Do they turn it off after 30 minutes to an hour..?

Swanman
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
Mitt, I got a mortgage in less than a week.

You are damn lucky. I bought my house in 2010 and even though I was insanely qualified for the loan, that damn process still took a month and a half. Cracking down was a good thing, but I think they went a bit too far.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
Right now Romney is flustered as ****.

You know I like you and respect you, but like I said to another liberal friend earlier. Get real bro Mitt is holding court and it ain't close~

AndChiefs
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
yep, "YOU LIE!" would backfire hilariously.

I think Romney is doing about as well as he could hope for. Not that it will do anything especially with this "no crowd reaction" format which leads to interminable droning, but he's going to get any benefit (maybe zero) that is possible from a debate.

I kind of disagree with that (the zero part). I'd say many independents will be looking at reactions from the press tomorrow. If Romney is nearly universally declared the winner I'd say there'd be some bump.

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
Romney is raping. That is all.

Guru
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
another clear difference. LMAO

alnorth
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
Romney should not have agreed to a no crowd reaction rule. There's no life in the room. If Obama insisted on it, fine, dare him to refuse a debate.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
Romney's answers on Dodd-Frank implied a pretty detailed understanding of the legislation and the president's did not, in my opinion. He did well in that segment.

Not sure what it means though. The public probably has never heard of it or doesn't remember anything about it.

Swanman
10-03-2012, 08:59 PM
Two hours is a long debate. I wonder what the profile of moderate voters is. Do they turn it off after 30 minutes to an hour..?

It doesn't help that it runs toward 11 pm in the eastern time zone.

Guru
10-03-2012, 08:59 PM
Romney should not have agreed to a no crowd reaction rule. There's no life in the room. If Obama insisted on it, fine, dare him to refuse a debate.

I was wondering why the place has been silent. So odd.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:00 PM
Romney's answers on Dodd-Frank implied a pretty detailed understanding of the legislation and the president's did not, in my opinion. He did well in that segment.

Not sure what it means though. The public probably has never heard of it or doesn't remember anything about it.

I just heard "repeal and replace, sure, we need some regulations"

That means zero, except it gives you a way to not say "I'd repeal it" without having Obama come back at him.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 09:00 PM
Obama is fumbling on his own Obamacare plan... killing himself before Romney even has to.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 09:01 PM
I think Jim should be able to throw stuff at them when they don't shut up after their time's up.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 09:01 PM
I fucking love Lehrer... can we all just vote for him as President instead?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 09:01 PM
I think Jim should be able to throw stuff at them when they don't shut up after their time's up.

Or rig them up so he could shock them

DaFace
10-03-2012, 09:01 PM
I was wondering why the place has been silent. So odd.

It's definitely strange. Even moreso given the fact that they're in an arena that holds around 7000 people.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:02 PM
I was wondering why the place has been silent. So odd.

This atmosphere will make a "there you go again" moment completely impossible.

It dramatically cuts down the possible amount of win that a candidate could get. It also cuts down how badly you can blow a debate, but Romney's the challenger, and he should be willing to take risks. I'm just assuming Obama insisted on it, but If Romney's side wanted a no crowd reaction rule, then his campaign is guilty of political malpractice.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:03 PM
I think Jim should be able to throw stuff at them when they don't shut up after their time's up.

They should have that "Who's line..." buzzer

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:05 PM
This atmosphere will make a "there you go again" moment completely impossible.

It dramatically cuts down the possible amount of win that a candidate could get. It also cuts down how badly you can blow a debate, but Romney's the challenger, and he should be willing to take risks. I'm just assuming Obama insisted on it, but If Romney's side wanted a no crowd reaction rule, then his campaign is guilty of political malpractice.

But if there were reaction allowed you'd have too much organized cheerleading and heckling, in today's political environment it wouldn't work. Maybe in the past, but I don't think people have respect for the process and the institution these debates are the way they once did.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:05 PM
This silent crowd debate format sets up a low "don't be as dumb as Rick Perry" bar to clear.

As long as you don't orally sh** yourself on stage, you'll be fine.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:06 PM
Does he really want to go down this road? The medical politburo will plan this all out in Washington?

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:06 PM
But if there were reaction allowed you'd have too much organized cheerleading and heckling, in today's political environment it wouldn't work. Maybe in the past, but I don't think people have respect for the process and the institution these debates are the way they once did.

yeah, I grant that maybe its necessary, but it makes the debates a lot less important. This time, that favors Obama, but in 4 years maybe the Republican will be ahead and the Dem wont have much hope of catching them in the debates.

VAChief
10-03-2012, 09:06 PM
You know I like you and respect you, but like I said to another liberal friend earlier. Get real bro Mitt is holding court and it ain't close~

He is doing very well, so well that if this was what he was doing during the primary he would most likely not be the nominee...but I digress.

He didn't handle Medicare well however.

jjjayb
10-03-2012, 09:08 PM
aahhhh eeehhhu umhhhhm

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Obama's just not good at this

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Obama saying Romney can't detail something on healthcare in support of a bill no one read and passed....WTF?

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:11 PM
Romeny needs to say, "Mr. President, you have to pass my bills before you know what's in them"

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 09:12 PM
Romney screwed up by not emphasizing the whole "my way or the highway" point. Needs to HAMMER that one home.

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 09:12 PM
it's obvious that romney is just MUCH better prepared for this.

Ebolapox
10-03-2012, 09:13 PM
boy, obama just has a dreamy smile. no wonder he won in 2008.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 09:13 PM
it's obvious that romney is just MUCH better prepared for this.

O'Bama didn't have time

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:13 PM
Do you have to have the last word on *EVERY* topic, Romney?

That's what I'd have interrupted with if I were Obama right when Romney stopped Lehrer. He's done that 3 times now.

Swanman
10-03-2012, 09:13 PM
Romney's answers on Dodd-Frank implied a pretty detailed understanding of the legislation and the president's did not, in my opinion. He did well in that segment.

Not sure what it means though. The public probably has never heard of it or doesn't remember anything about it.

A big part of Dodd-Frank is a shitload of disclosure about investments to create more transparency. I work in private equity and we will have to disclose an assload of information about all of our investments as part of Dodd-Frank.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 09:13 PM
I never would have guessed this would be so one sided~

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:14 PM
Do you have to have the last word on *EVERY* topic, Romney?

That's what I'd have interrupted with if I were Obama right when Romney stopped Lehrer. He's done that 3 times now.

:huh:

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 09:14 PM
You know I like you and respect you, but like I said to another liberal friend earlier. Get real bro Mitt is holding court and it ain't close~

I disagree. When I posted that Mitt was interrupting Lehrer and Obama with a high tone. He's held his own I'll give him that. That being said anybody with half a brain and googled any of this afterward will know that they are both full of shit.

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 09:14 PM
I just want Romney for the economy then you can ship his butt out in 4 years. All I want.

cdcox
10-03-2012, 09:14 PM
Robert Schlesinger 9:52: Halfway through the debate Romney is holding his own—no surprise, challengers often look good in first debates. Neither one has landed a strong blow or had a major gaffe. The little CNN dial-meter of undecided voters holds few surprises thus far: Women tend to approve of the president more while men are more favorable toward Romney.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-03-2012, 09:14 PM
Jason Whitlock ‏@WhitlockJason

Michelle is in corner about to throw in towel. Stop the fight! Prez is a nice guy. Not a fighter. #hillarycacklingrollingablunt

DaFace
10-03-2012, 09:15 PM
Do you have to have the last word on *EVERY* topic, Romney?

That's what I'd have interrupted with if I were Obama right when Romney stopped Lehrer. He's done that 3 times now.

Yeah, I'll generally give Romney the upper hand on responses thus far, but Romney's going to lose some people just because he comes off as a bit of an asshole.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 09:15 PM
O'Bama didn't have time

too busy in Vegas?

He could have just used the hour each day where he was supposed to be in intel meetings as prep time instead.

OR he could have hired a debate prep guy to double as his caddie.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:15 PM
Obama is a fucking idiot! 100's of 1,000's of teachers laid off but we need more teachers.

LMAO

Swanman
10-03-2012, 09:16 PM
Yeah, I'll generally give Romney the upper hand on responses thus far, but Romney's going to lose some people just because he comes off as a bit of an asshole.

After the 47% gaffe, he really needed to work on the likability aspect. It seems he still has a little ways to go.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:16 PM
#hillarycacklingrollingablunt

LMAO

jjjayb
10-03-2012, 09:16 PM
Love it! The role of government? Look behind us. The constitution.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 09:16 PM
I will say that Obama's debate coach needs to be fired. His "uh's"are destroying the message.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 09:16 PM
I disagree. When I posted that Mitt was interrupting Lehrer and Obama with a high tone. He's held his own I'll give him that. That being said anybody with half a brain and googled any of this afterward will know that they are both full of shit.

Oh they are both full of shit agreed. That said Mitt is handing Barry his ass and it ain't close~

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 09:17 PM
Obama is a ****ing idiot! 100's of 1,000's of teachers laid off but we need more teachers.

LMAO

How is that idiotic again?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 09:17 PM
Oh they are both full of shit agreed. That said Mitt is handing Barry his ass and it ain't close~

Want to bet oh how it will be reported?

kstater
10-03-2012, 09:18 PM
LMAO

"let's go through some specifics"

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:19 PM
How is that idiotic again?

WOW, did you just ask that? You have a shitload of teachers out of work but you say we need more teachers? You can't employ the ones you have!!!

:banghead:

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:19 PM
How is that idiotic again?

I find it amusing that on jobs, he talks about hiring teachers. Hey Barry, creating government jobs doesn't help our financial condition, because we need several private sector jobs to pay for each one, and creating jobs in the private sector isn't exactly your forté

Sorter
10-03-2012, 09:19 PM
I got Romney up 39-37 through 4 rounds. Obama's corner is not adjusting.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:19 PM
Yeah, I'll generally give Romney the upper hand on responses thus far, but Romney's going to lose some people just because he comes off as a bit of an asshole.

To be fair to Romney, he has to thread a very small needle. Its not quite as tough as landing a plane on the Hudson river, but he's got a damned hard task ahead of him.

He's losing by about 3-4 points, a lot worse in the electoral college, he is the first candidate in the last 7 elections with a net unfavorable rating, going up against a president with a decent favorable rating. (not to be confused with job approval)

If Romney's too nice out there he'll smile his way back to private life, but he obviously can't feed into the C. Montgomery Burns image he's got with the public.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 09:20 PM
WOW, did you just ask that? You have a shitload of teachers out of work but you say we need more teachers? You can't employ the ones you have!!!

:banghead:

I think you're misunderstanding the point. He's not saying that we need to start training more teachers - he's saying that we can increase funding for education so that the student:teacher ratio is lowered - putting the out-of-work teachers you're talking about to work.

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:20 PM
Mitt has powerful statistics, compelling stats…down pat.

Papi
10-03-2012, 09:20 PM
LMAO at those of you who are disappointed in Obama or touting Romney. Don't you know these debates don't have an impact on public opinion???

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/29/presidential-debates-rarely-have-much-effect-on-election-outcomes.html

Sorter
10-03-2012, 09:20 PM
Want to bet oh how it will be reported?

Lol, this. No matter how well Mitt does, the media will still rip him apart after this and say Obama was dominant

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 09:20 PM
Want to bet oh how it will be reported?

Barry won walking away on main stream, and Mitt won walking away on talk radio and on FOX. In this case FOX and talk radio will be right in a rare case~

kstater
10-03-2012, 09:20 PM
WOW, did you just ask that? You have a shitload of teachers out of work but you say we need more teachers? You can't employ the ones you have!!!

:banghead:

So you actually believe there should be 40+ kids per class?

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:21 PM
Job training doesn't help people if there isn't a job opening waiting for them, Barry.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:21 PM
I think you're misunderstanding the point. He's not saying that we need to start training more teachers - he's saying that we can increase funding for education so that the student:teacher ratio is lowered - putting the out-of-work teachers you're talking about to work.

That's not how it came across at all

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:21 PM
Hey, Obama, how about your college transcripts?



:D

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 09:21 PM
Oh they are both full of shit agreed. That said Mitt is handing Barry his ass and it ain't close~

I would disagree.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:21 PM
So you actually believe there should be 40+ kids per class?

Lot's of teachers unemployed....

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-03-2012, 09:21 PM
Jason Whitlock ‏@WhitlockJason

Obama's ass-kicking is this bad RT “@billmaher: i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:22 PM
LMAO at those of you who are disappointed in Obama or touting Romney. Don't you know these debates don't have an impact on public opinion???

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/29/presidential-debates-rarely-have-much-effect-on-election-outcomes.html

even that article is deceptive, because we're in a new era of lifeless silent debate. The few times that debates did make a difference, probably wouldn't occur today.

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:22 PM
Obama is blabbering

jjjayb
10-03-2012, 09:22 PM
Entitled to your own house and airplane, but not to your own facts.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 09:22 PM
Jason Whitlock ‏@WhitlockJason

Obama's ass-kicking is this bad RT “@billmaher: i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter

Is Whitless a conservative?

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:23 PM
Jason Whitlock ‏@WhitlockJason

Obama's ass-kicking is this bad RT “@billmaher: i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter

LMAO

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 09:23 PM
Entitled to your own house and airplane, but not to your own facts.

Great line that was wasted on a dead audience.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 09:23 PM
You are entitled to your own plane and house but you are not entitled to your own facts LMAO

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 09:23 PM
Obama's smirks during Romney's answers will hurt him as much as anything.

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:24 PM
Is it me or is Jim giving bloviating Obama more time?

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:25 PM
I was reluctant to criticize Lehrer because the steamroller would get anybody, BUT he did have control over the order of topics.

He put arguably the most important topic last, and we wont get into it. If you want economy/jobs #1, fine but #2 should have been the role of government.

For that reason, I'll say Lehrer did poorly.

jjjayb
10-03-2012, 09:25 PM
LMAO at those of you who are disappointed in Obama or touting Romney. Don't you know these debates don't have an impact on public opinion???

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/29/presidential-debates-rarely-have-much-effect-on-election-outcomes.html

Ask that to Carter. You see what the debate against Reagan did to him. He was up on all polls until the debate. Then got his ass handed to him.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 09:25 PM
Is it me or is Jim giving bloviating Obama more time?

Probably because he knows Romney will interrupt him to try to get the last word in every time anyway. :)

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:25 PM
Obama looks annoyed at Mitt schooling him.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 09:25 PM
Is it me or is Jim giving bloviating Obama more time?

He isn't "giving" it.. but he is allowing it and Mitt is having to assert himself to get his responses.. which is both good and bad.. it makes him look assertive and in command but also a bit rude.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:25 PM
Obama's smirks during Romney's answers will hurt him as much as anything.

everyone has turned it off by now in utter boredom except the nerds like us.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:26 PM
Obama resorts to a smart ass comment after Romney just schooled him on leadership

Swanman
10-03-2012, 09:26 PM
Job training doesn't help people if there isn't a job opening waiting for them, Barry.

Some studies have shown that there is a strong possibility that jobs could be created here in the US but we don't have the people in this country with the necessary skills to fill them.

Job training is very important. It helped save my hometown after Maytag took the plant to Mexico. 10% of the town's population lost their job but they were given the ability to do job training paid by the government and many of them ended up getting better paying jobs as a result.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:27 PM
He isn't "giving" it.. but he is allowing it and Mitt is having to assert himself to get his responses.. which is both good and bad.. it makes him look assertive and in command but also a bit rude.

yep, agreed in all respects, and I think Romney had to do it. He has to be careful not to look like a total jerk, but to the extent that he can bully his way into having more time of possession with the football, he has to do it.

Munson
10-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Is it me or is Jim giving bloviating Obama more time?

I think he's been pretty fair, which was unexpected.

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Mitt is far more intelligent and presidential.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Is that how we are going to close GITMO too?

Chiefspants
10-03-2012, 09:27 PM
I will say that Obama's debate coach needs to be fired. His "uh's"are destroying the message.

He has never been someone who excels at speaking off the cuff, Mccain's dithering shielded Obama's debating inefficiencies in the 2008 election.

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Your time is up, O.

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
everyone has turned it off by now in utter boredom except the nerds like us.

Maybe, but it certainly won't help the President.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
hah, you can tell that Obama thoroughly rehearsed that.

Easy 6
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
The best part of these debates will be seeing how SNL skewers them, i think they have a tough task with this one... nothing too weird from either side.

VAChief
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
Once Mitt started touting his #1 status as Governor...Obama should have countered with the following or at least some of them.

1. Ranked 47th in job growth: Despite Romney’s professed expertise in creating jobs, Massachusetts ranked 47th in job growth during his time as governor. The state’s total job growth was just 0.9 percent, well behind other high-wage, high-skill economies in New York (2.7), California (4.7), and North Carolina (7.6). The national average, meanwhile, was better than 5 percent.
2. Suffered the second-largest labor force decline in the nation: Only Louisiana, which was ravaged by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, saw a bigger decline in its labor force than Massachusetts during Romney’s tenure as governor. The US Census Bureau estimated that between July 2002 and July 2006, 222,000 more residents left Massachusetts for other states than came to it. That decline largely explains the state’s decreasing unemployment rate (from 5.6 to 4.7 percent) while Romney was in office, according to Northeastern University economics professor Andrew Sum. At the same time, the nation as a whole added 8 million people to the labor force.
3. Lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs: Massachusetts lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs during Romney’s time in office, according to Sum. The loss was double the rate that the nation as a whole lost manufacturing jobs. In 2004, Romney vetoed legislation that would have banned companies doing business with the state from outsourcing jobs to other countries.
4. Experienced “below average” economic growth and was “often near the bottom”: “There was not one measure where the state did well under his term in office. We were below average and often near the bottom,” Sum told the Washington Post in February. As a result, the state was more comparable to Rust Belt states like Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio than it was to other high-tech economies it typically competes with.
5. Piled on more debt than any other state: Romney left Massachusetts residents with $10,504 in per capita bond debt, the highest of any state in the nation when he left office in 2007. The state ranked second in debt as a percentage of personal income. Romney regularly omits those statistics from his Massachusetts record, instead touting the fact that he balanced the state’s budget (he was constitutionally required to do so). He wouldn’t be much different as president: his proposed tax plan adds more than $10 trillion to the national debt.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
Maybe, but it certainly won't help the President.

tie goes to the guy who is leading by 8 in Ohio.

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
Hmmmm...not sure who came out on top. *sarcasm*

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
O'Bama going to call in sick to the next debate?

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
He isn't "giving" it.. but he is allowing it and Mitt is having to assert himself to get his responses.. which is both good and bad.. it makes him look assertive and in command but also a bit rude.

It makes him look like a leader, only left wingers will see it as rude as something to cling on to in a blowout loss~

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:29 PM
Obama, has done a terrible job … Some anniversaries are better than others…

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:29 PM
I will say that Obama's debate coach needs to be fired. His "uh's"are destroying the message.

He's always done that. Obama doesn't suck in debates, but he isn't good, and I don't think anyone could ever break him of that.

Otter
10-03-2012, 09:29 PM
Obama looks annoyed at Mitt schooling him.

All ya really have to do to school him is tell the truth.

Chiefspants
10-03-2012, 09:29 PM
The best part of these debates will be seeing how SNL skewers them, i think they have a tough task with this one... nothing too weird from either side.

Mccain's roaming in 2008 was fantastic.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
Obana's smirks, smartass retorts, eyerolling and general blabbing is showing who he really is.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
Obama, has done a terrible job … Some anniversaries are better than others…

LMAO

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
Obama needs violins playing in background

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
tie goes to the guy who is leading by 8 in Ohio.

Only if he is still leading by 8 at the end of the week...

HonestChieffan
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
Varerie Jarret had likely fired the team and has her hair on fire.

AustinChief
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
I just have to say yet again... Lehrer is the freakin man. I am a bit biased because I have had a man crush on him for 25+ years... but he has done an amazing job running this debate.

Swanman
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
tie goes to the guy who is leading by 8 in Ohio.

Given the consensus of the various polls, Obama comes into these debates like a boxer going into the late rounds after dominating the first several rounds. He just needs to avoid getting knocked out, so he may lose a round or two but he has to avoid doing anything stupid. Romney won the debate, but there was no knockout.

Chiefspants
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
He's always done that. Obama doesn't suck in debates, but he isn't good, and I don't think anyone could ever break him of that.

He's just not an extemporaneous speaker, Clinton's wit and off the cuff ability was badly missed in today's debate. (By Democrats, at least.)

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 09:31 PM
ROFL. "I'll fight for you everyday." Yep, while playing golf and on vacations and on TV shows and making a NCAA Tourney bracket. Yeah right.

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:31 PM
It makes him look like a leader, only left wingers will see it as rude as something to cling on to in a blowout loss~

Feel free to hang your "we won the debates" championship banners next to Lloyd Bentsen's "I kicked Quayle's ass" banner, but the election's already lost for Romney.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:31 PM
Some studies have shown that there is a strong possibility that jobs could be created here in the US but we don't have the people in this country with the necessary skills to fill them.

Job training is very important. It helped save my hometown after Maytag took the plant to Mexico. 10% of the town's population lost their job but they were given the ability to do job training paid by the government and many of them ended up getting better paying jobs as a result.

Sure, but the fact remains that if nobody is hiring in manufacturing those people won't have any jobs to apply for after the training.

Obama presents job training programs like they are a turnkey operation, like you train a hundred people to do something and magically a factory appears.

DaFace
10-03-2012, 09:31 PM
This place is a fascinating study in biases. Not enough to stick around more than 2 hours at a time, but fascinating nonetheless.

Chiefspants
10-03-2012, 09:32 PM
Lol, 12 million Jobs, okay, Mr. Mitt.

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 09:32 PM
I just have to say yet again... Lehrer is the freakin man. I am a bit biased because I have had a man crush on him for 25+ years... but he has done an amazing job running this debate.

He did a hell of a lot better than that woman from PBS did last time.

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:32 PM
Obama’s closing statement was a big thud!

Obama is toast!

alnorth
10-03-2012, 09:32 PM
Only if he is still leading by 8 at the end of the week...

He's been crushing Romney for months in Ohio, and the reason is not something that debates can change: the auto bailouts were very popular there, and Romney's already repudiated them.

Swanman
10-03-2012, 09:32 PM
I just have to say yet again... Lehrer is the freakin man. I am a bit biased because I have had a man crush on him for 25+ years... but he has done an amazing job running this debate.

I assume you didn't like the weird PBS comment by Romney then. My wife forgot what PBS was, so my response was "the tv station that created Sesame Street". That jogged her memory.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 09:32 PM
Nice job Mitt

Chiefspants
10-03-2012, 09:33 PM
God, I'm cringing at the coming Biden debate.

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 09:33 PM
Obama’s closing statement was a big thud!

Obama is toast!

The American people are stupider than you think.

Dylan
10-03-2012, 09:34 PM
Mitt smoked him! It is Capitalism over Redistribution. Keep pounding away, Mitt.