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Trivers
10-03-2012, 08:42 PM
What say yea?

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 08:42 PM
Leave now.

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 08:54 PM
I will vote when it is over. If it continues like it has it will be Romney by a lot~

Sorter
10-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Romney up 29-28 through 3 rounds on my scorecard.

Rain Man
10-03-2012, 09:16 PM
Right now I'd have to go with the Cleveland Clinic.

Taco John
10-03-2012, 09:18 PM
Obama is doing a better job articulating a liberal point of view than Romney is a conservative one.

SNR
10-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Romney up 29-28 through 3 rounds on my scorecard.

Yeah, but the officiating in this debate is complete garbage. :cuss:

Fat Elvis
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
In terms of who got the best boost out of this debate, Romney pretty much demolished Obama....

Rain Man
10-03-2012, 09:34 PM
Romney scored big on style. Obama didn't bomb or anything, but Romney will come out stronger. And style is what this is about, since I doubt that anyone will change their mind based on content.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 09:35 PM
If it was a fight Romney 10 rounds
O'Bama 2 rounds

Deberg_1990
10-03-2012, 09:36 PM
CNN and MSNBC say Obama won

FOX claims Mitt won


I'm shocked

Hoover
10-03-2012, 09:37 PM
It wasn't even close.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:41 PM
CNN and MSNBC say Obama won

FOX claims Mitt won


I'm shocked

I saw MSNBS pretty much voicing disappointment in Obama

Saul Good
10-03-2012, 09:46 PM
Just talked to my mom who is pretty middle of the road politically (leans right but splits the ticket when voting), and she thought Romney "was amazing". That really surprised me, as she isn't a fan of his.

I couldn't watch the debate, so I can't comment.

2bikemike
10-03-2012, 09:47 PM
I loved the point MR made about the amount of Subisidies that went to Green Energy compared to Big Oil. And how O was at picking winners and losers mostly losers.

LiveSteam
10-03-2012, 09:49 PM
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Munson
10-03-2012, 09:49 PM
Romney destroyed Obama.

rockymtnchief
10-03-2012, 09:50 PM
I missed the first 10 minutes, but from what I saw, Romney had the better debate.

Sorter
10-03-2012, 09:50 PM
Final scorecard for me was 49-46 Romney.

Mr. Plow
10-03-2012, 09:52 PM
CNN and MSNBC say Obama won

FOX claims Mitt won


I'm shocked


Shocked.....SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

petegz28
10-03-2012, 09:55 PM
This was like watching the Chiefs vs. Chargers. Everytime you thought Obama would get back in it he fumbled.

fan4ever
10-03-2012, 10:00 PM
CNN and MSNBC say Obama won

Seriously? I can see them saying it was a draw at best, but won???

What are the size of those blinders?

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 10:00 PM
It wasn't close. Romney scored about as big a victory as you can in a debate these days.

As Krauthammer just said, Romney looked like someone with command of the issues, Obama looked like someone trying to sit on a lead.

Munson
10-03-2012, 10:03 PM
Wow. Not a single vote for Obama so far.

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 10:03 PM
Obama is doing a better job articulating a liberal point of view than Romney is a conservative one.

Mitt Romney by a mile, according to MSNBC...

Trivers
10-03-2012, 10:05 PM
Watched the after debate comments on Current. An ex-VP and two ex-governors. They thought Obama lost.

I agree.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 10:05 PM
I saw MSNBS pretty much voicing disappointment in Obama

I can see that. Obama's not good in a debate format.

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 10:05 PM
CNN says Romney won too...

ZepSinger
10-03-2012, 10:05 PM
CNN is saying MR by a freaking mile...

ROYC75
10-03-2012, 10:05 PM
Wasn't close, I'm :eek: Obama was soft on most of his points. Obama acted like he was not going to do something to hurt himself and Romney just tore him up.

Trivers
10-03-2012, 10:05 PM
I loved the point MR made about the amount of Subisidies that went to Green Energy compared to Big Oil. And how O was at picking winners and losers mostly losers.

Agree. Best quote of the night!

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 10:06 PM
Was just talking to wife...Obama lost, but hard for him to win on this particular subject.

Really surprised there was no 47%, Bain, etc., etc.

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 10:07 PM
Wasn't close, I'm :eek: Obama was soft on most of his points. Obama acted like he was not going to do something to hurt himself and Romney just tore him up.

Why was he always looking down?

LiveSteam
10-03-2012, 10:08 PM
Really surprised there was no 47%, Bain, etc., etc.

Mind blowing.

ROYC75
10-03-2012, 10:08 PM
Jim Lehrer was soft, it's unlike him.

La literatura
10-03-2012, 10:09 PM
I think Romney exceeded expectations, so maybe in that sense, it was a win for him. But putting that aside, I thought they both did an equally excellent job explaining their policies and viewpoints and goals.

Trivers
10-03-2012, 10:09 PM
41 to 0 with one tie.

Wow.

La literatura
10-03-2012, 10:09 PM
Why was he always looking down?

I think he was writing.

ROYC75
10-03-2012, 10:09 PM
Why was he always looking down?

Ashamed of his performance?

ROYC75
10-03-2012, 10:10 PM
I think he was writing.

Not that much!

qabbaan
10-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Why was he always looking down?

Shoe-mounted teleprompter

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:10 PM
I think he was writing.

No...maybe sometimes but overall, no

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 10:11 PM
I think he was writing.

His 3rd book?

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 10:11 PM
Jensen LMAO

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 10:12 PM
Obama did not do very well, he was stammering and stumbling and just plain not the same charismatic guy we have seen.

headsnap
10-03-2012, 10:12 PM
I think Romney exceeded expectations, so maybe in that sense, it was a win for him. But putting that aside, I thought they both did an equally excellent job explaining their policies and viewpoints and goals.


It would be awesome if they scored/graded football games on a curve.... :rolleyes:

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 10:13 PM
His 3rd book?

I did not see Bill Ayers, or is he going to try to write this one himself?

La literatura
10-03-2012, 10:14 PM
It would be awesome if they scored/graded football games on a curve.... :rolleyes:

Huh?

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 10:14 PM
I did not see Bill Ayers, or is he going to try to write this one himself?

:LOL:

rockymtnchief
10-03-2012, 10:14 PM
Why was he always looking down?

I think he was writing.

Sexting, teleprompter, notes. I couldn't tell.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:14 PM
Undecided voter in a focus group just nailed it...

"Obama has never had to defend his rhetoric until now"
__________________

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 10:14 PM
I think Romney exceeded expectations, so maybe in that sense, it was a win for him. But putting that aside, I thought they both did an equally excellent job explaining their policies and viewpoints and goals.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

It could be raining herpes infected hep-c diarrhea from the sky and you would run out and tell people to get their ice cream cones for the free choccy syrup

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 10:15 PM
Undecided voter in a focus group just nailed it...

"Obama has never had to defend his rhetoric until now"
__________________

Rubio saying the same thing. No free passes in a debate

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 10:17 PM
CLEARLY a score for Romney...I would be SHOCKED if his numbers didnt rise from this....

And I really am a non partisan.(registered democrat until this year & I just became 'unaffiliated' with any party)

Seraphim
10-03-2012, 10:17 PM
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

It could be raining herpes infected hep-c diarrhea from the sky and you would run out and tell people to get their ice cream cones for the free choccy syrup

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO:):):):)

La literatura
10-03-2012, 10:17 PM
I don't know everyone's political affiliation, but it seems like most people who responded to the poll lean right slightly to heavily conservative.

Chocolate Hog
10-03-2012, 10:18 PM
CLEARLY a score for Romney...I would be SHOCKED if his numbers didnt rise from this....

And I really am a non partisan.(registered democrat until this year)

ROFL

You are so full of shit. This time last year you claimed you were a former Paul supporter for Romney now you're a former Democrat supporting Romney.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:18 PM
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

It could be raining herpes infected hep-c diarrhea from the sky and you would run out and tell people to get their ice cream cones for the free choccy syrup

mmmm, choccy syrup!!! :drool:

HonestChieffan
10-03-2012, 10:18 PM
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RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Just switched to FOX and Palin is babbling. And the right wonders why they are in a dogfight instead of a blowout :doh!: night folks~

HonestChieffan
10-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Tingles meltdown. Love it

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:20 PM
Tingles meltdown. Love it

Link isn't working..it just sits there....kinda like Obama tonight

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 10:20 PM
ROFL

You are so full of shit. This time last year you claimed you were a former Paul supporter for Romney now you're a former Democrat supporting Romney.

LOL

I did support alot of paul's ideas on paper (as an independant) until I saw a bunch of his supporters like BEP and actually looked closely at how nuts they were
which made me examine him further and reject him as a candidate...I still DO support MANY of Mr. Paul's ideas its just that there were a couple of deal breakers for me and I don't like his personality all that much to be a president.

and I do not support Romney....YET

I have never EVER voted for a republican Candidate (when I voted for Paul he was Indy)

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 10:21 PM
What's Tingles?

HonestChieffan
10-03-2012, 10:21 PM
Link isn't working..it just sits there....kinda like Obama tonight

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/03/video-tingles-has-post-debate-meltdown/

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:21 PM
What's Tingles?

Chris Matthews. He made a comment once about how Obama gives him tingles up his leg.

-King-
10-03-2012, 10:22 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbcl34VfC71qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

Munson
10-03-2012, 10:22 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/03/video-tingles-has-post-debate-meltdown/

Its not working for me either.

fan4ever
10-03-2012, 10:22 PM
Why was he always looking down?

No teleprompters...

LiveSteam
10-03-2012, 10:22 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbcl34VfC71qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

LMAOLMAOLMAO

TEX
10-03-2012, 10:22 PM
Obama was lost without a teleprompter.

stonedstooge
10-03-2012, 10:23 PM
Chris Matthews. He made a comment once about how Obama gives him tingles up his leg.

Thanks.

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:23 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/03/video-tingles-has-post-debate-meltdown/

Yeah it must be getting hammered or something, you click play and it sits there

Munson
10-03-2012, 10:23 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbcl34VfC71qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

Is that Al Sharpton on the right? LMAO

RedNeckRaider
10-03-2012, 10:24 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbcl34VfC71qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

Mitt was debating Al Sharpton?

Saul Good
10-03-2012, 10:24 PM
I don't know everyone's political affiliation, but it seems like most people who responded to the poll lean right slightly to heavily conservative.

Why do you suppose the Dems are nowhere to be seen in this thread?

La literatura
10-03-2012, 10:25 PM
Why do you suppose the Dems are nowhere to be seen in this thread?

Because they're playing videogames and eating Ramen noodles?

fan4ever
10-03-2012, 10:26 PM
I don't know everyone's political affiliation, but it seems like most people who responded to the poll lean right slightly to heavily conservative.

The poll doesn't matter; the fact you see anything rosey about Obama's performance says it all...

Munson
10-03-2012, 10:26 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zuSJSBk45DA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 10:27 PM
Why do you suppose the Dems are nowhere to be seen in this thread?

Im heavily liberal on some issues (manly social) and heavily conservative on some others...

I was a democrat for 20 years and just switched to 'Un-affiliated' but will likely still vote for a mix of different people for the various elections

Cave Johnson
10-03-2012, 10:27 PM
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La literatura
10-03-2012, 10:27 PM
The poll doesn't matter; the fact you see anything rosey about Obama's performance says it all...

I don't know. If you think what I described of Obama's performance is "rosey," then I must think of Romney's performance as rosey+.

rockymtnchief
10-03-2012, 10:27 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbcl34VfC71qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

LMAO

Rep...I must borrow it!

petegz28
10-03-2012, 10:30 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zuSJSBk45DA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:LOL:LMAOLMAO:LOL:LMAOLMAO:LOL::LOL:LMAO

wazu
10-03-2012, 10:30 PM
It seems like if Romney loses, then it's safe to say no Republican will ever win the presidency again unless there is a big change in platform. In my adult lifetime, I can't remember a race that had such a terrible incumbent combined with a pretty clear improvement as challenger. Will be interesting to see the polls and whether or not any of this ends up mattering.

banyon
10-03-2012, 10:33 PM
I'd say it was a slight win for Romney.

Obama did his best Herman Edwards impression and played not to lose. Prevent defense.

Very meek and careful not to offend, like he has been with the Republican leaders for the last 3 years before it became election year. He showed that he was a gutless p*ssy, which is why I'm not voting for him again.

Then again, all of Mitt Romney's charades were out there in the open, the President just chose not to point them out.

On the other hand, it wasn't a gamechanger for Romney like he probably needed either. What's the memorable moment from this debate for him to play in his campaign ads? Who knows? As close as it was to a draw, Romney probably needed a bigger win. The president being asleep tonight didn't make Romney look great either.

donkhater
10-03-2012, 10:37 PM
I smell a rope a dope.

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 10:37 PM
I'd say it was a slight win for Romney.



Yet you voted tie?

DURRRRRRRRRR


http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/small/1105/you-believe-profound-what-lol-herp-derp-demotivational-posters-1305203882.jpg

Saul Good
10-03-2012, 10:37 PM
I'd say it was a slight win for Romney.

Obama did his best Herman Edwards impression and played not to lose. Prevent defense.

Very meek and careful not to offend, like he has been with the Republican leaders for the last 3 years before it became election year. He showed that he was a gutless p*ssy, which is why I'm not voting for him again.

Then again, all of Mitt Romney's charades were out there in the open, the President just chose not to point them out.

On the other hand, it wasn't a gamechanger for Romney like he probably needed either. What's the memorable moment from this debate for him to play in his campaign ads? Who knows? As close as it was to a draw, Romney probably needed a bigger win. The president being asleep tonight didn't make Romney look great either.

Why did you vote it a tie?

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 10:38 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbcl34VfC71qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

LMAO

LiveSteam
10-03-2012, 10:38 PM
I smell a rope a dope.

I dnt think so. It's going to get worse for Obama camp.
Next up is Biden & Ryan. Am i right ?

thecoffeeguy
10-03-2012, 10:39 PM
It was not even close. Romney by a landslide.

fan4ever
10-03-2012, 10:40 PM
[QUOTE=banyon;8975530]I'd say it was a slight win for Romney.QUOTE]

LMAO It was an butt-kicking...may not win the election for Romney but be honest enough to realize Obama's ass hurts right now.

fan4ever
10-03-2012, 10:41 PM
It seems like if Romney loses, then it's safe to say no Republican will ever win the presidency again unless there is a big change in platform. In my adult lifetime, I can't remember a race that had such a terrible incumbent combined with a pretty clear improvement as challenger. Will be interesting to see the polls and whether or not any of this ends up mattering.

If Obama wins, our next leader of our country will probably be Chinese, so there you go...

OmahaChief
10-03-2012, 10:42 PM
I smell a rope a dope.

Nahh, it's just a dope that has finally been exposed.

Brainiac
10-03-2012, 10:47 PM
Right now the vote in the poll is 64-0 with 2 ties????

What an ass kicking!

La literatura
10-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Right now the vote in the poll is 64-0 with 2 ties????

What an ass kicking!

Whether he won the debate or not is one question; whether he won the night is another one. I think it's clear Romney won the night in a landslide.

Guru
10-03-2012, 10:54 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zuSJSBk45DA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

HOLY SHIT LMAO

ChiefaRoo
10-03-2012, 10:55 PM
Romney destroyed Obama. It wasn't even close.

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 10:55 PM
I smell a rope a dope.

Thats actually soap-on-a-rope dangling from literatures anus

BigRedChief
10-03-2012, 11:03 PM
Right now the vote in the poll is 64-0 with 2 ties????

What an ass kicking!

Yep, Obama got his ass handed to him. But before you think the election is now over ...... Kerry won the first debate handily against bush.

No one thought the election would be a runaway by either side. It will be a 51%|49% election.

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 11:06 PM
No one thought the election would be a runaway by either side. It will be a 51%|49% election.

I'd Honestly be shocked if Barry didnt win by 5+

ALSO,

Even in a closer election, the EC votes are probably going to be massively in favor of BO

Psyko Tek
10-03-2012, 11:12 PM
Why was he always looking down?

THIS
He should have been staring Mitt right in the eyes

Psyko Tek
10-03-2012, 11:16 PM
I don't know everyone's political affiliation, but it seems like most people who responded to the poll lean right slightly to heavily conservative.

I would say mostly to lets burn a cross

SNR
10-03-2012, 11:17 PM
I'll call this a win for Romney if I see a sharp spike in his polling numbers from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia.

Remember, John Kerry kicked Bush's ass in the debates.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:17 PM
I'm watching MSNBC and there's no way anybody's claiming he didn't win. That being said, he ran his mouth a lot tonight and put his record out there for 3 more debates. He's going to have to defend that. He basically loaded Obama's gun and woke up the people in Obama's base that this isn't a done deal.

I think Biden smack's ryans ass with it next week

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 11:18 PM
I think Biden smack's ryans ass with it next week

Have you seen both of them Speak?

LOL

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:27 PM
Have you seen both of them Speak?

LOL

you haven't obviously seen Biden debate

educate yourself

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNO6-WoC_Vw

Here pawnmower

rockymtnchief
10-03-2012, 11:36 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81998.html

ROYC75
10-03-2012, 11:37 PM
W O W !

Bump
10-03-2012, 11:39 PM
no republican follower is gonna say Romney lost, lol. They think he's the gospel and will eat up everything he said. I'm not voting for either one of those scum bags.

this quote from Romney pissed me off a bit

"Our nation believes we are all children of the same god"

ya, just dismiss the groups who believe in another god or don't believe in a god. ****ing Christ.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:41 PM
no republican follower is gonna say Romney lost, lol. They think he's the gospel and will eat up everything he said.

this quote from Romney pissed me off a bit

"Our nation believes we are all children of the same god"

ya, just dismiss the groups who believe in another god or don't believe in a god. ****ing Christ.

Romney owned the debate format. That being said Obama got his points in, but he looked like Cassel throwing a 2 yard dump off on 3rd and 15. Not mention Romney was very liberal with his facts. That's going to haunt him.

Pawnmower
10-03-2012, 11:42 PM
Leave it to the king of the fuckign dipshits to actually say BO won.

I wish the ignore feature actually ignore them from polls like they didnt exist.

HonestChieffan
10-03-2012, 11:46 PM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CxNqnJe4Ne8/UG0Fxiu6rcI/AAAAAAAABwA/HS0O76kYIpc/s500/ZM9m6.gif

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:47 PM
Leave it to the king of the ****ign dipshits to actually say BO won.

I wish the ignore feature actually ignore them from polls like they didnt exist.

Does it matter? Did you watch that link?

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:48 PM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CxNqnJe4Ne8/UG0Fxiu6rcI/AAAAAAAABwA/HS0O76kYIpc/s500/ZM9m6.gif

Doubt he'll be doing that nov 7th.

ZepSinger
10-03-2012, 11:48 PM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CxNqnJe4Ne8/UG0Fxiu6rcI/AAAAAAAABwA/HS0O76kYIpc/s500/ZM9m6.gif

Freaking awesome.LMAO

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:49 PM
Freaking awesome.LMAO

it was pretty awesome when I saw it on Leno 2 weeks ago

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 11:49 PM
Doubt he'll be doing that nov 7th.

Before tonight, I would have to reluctantly agree, however, I believe the result of this upcoming election is very much in doubt.

Bump
10-03-2012, 11:52 PM
Leave it to the king of the ****ign dipshits to actually say BO won.

I wish the ignore feature actually ignore them from polls like they didnt exist.

meh, I just didn't want to vote for Romney. I'm not voting for either one douche and I don't care who wins the debate or which one of these fucks is the next president.

J Diddy
10-03-2012, 11:53 PM
Before tonight, I would have to reluctantly agree, however, I believe the result of this upcoming election is very much in doubt.

I think you are over valuing the importance of a debate. Like I said, Romney threw out a lot of mistruths tonight. He's going to have to own up to that.

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 11:54 PM
Yep, Obama got his ass handed to him. But before you think the election is now over ...... Kerry won the first debate handily against bush.

No one thought the election would be a runaway by either side. It will be a 51%|49% election.

I read that the election was over and Romney had lost weeks ago...

I find it particularly funny to watch Dem analysts criticizing the party ID make-up of the flash polls that showed Romney won...

This is going to energize the base and change the narrative in a big way...

mnchiefsguy
10-03-2012, 11:56 PM
I think you are over valuing the importance of a debate. Like I said, Romney threw out a lot of mistruths tonight. He's going to have to own up to that.

Perhaps. But every newspaper, morning show, radio show, and twitter feed is going to be buzzing tomorrow about how well Romney did. That will have almost as much of a positive effect as the debate itself.

DaneMcCloud
10-03-2012, 11:57 PM
I read that the election was over and Romney had lost weeks ago...

I find it particularly funny to watch Dem analysts criticizing the party ID make-up of the flash polls that showed Romney won...

This is going to energize the base and change the narrative in a big way...

Maybe, maybe not. I still don't think there will be enough people to jump ship (on either side) to make a difference.

I thought Romney kicked Obama's ass. But I still won't vote for him because of his social agenda.

:D

T-post Tom
10-03-2012, 11:57 PM
Gaz won.

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 11:58 PM
I'll call this a win for Romney if I see a sharp spike in his polling numbers from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia.

Remember, John Kerry kicked Bush's ass in the debates.

Kerry had been lagging behind Bush in Gallup polls until he met the president September 30 at the University of Miami to debate foreign affairs.

A poll taken September 24-26 had the Massachusetts senator trailing Bush by a 44-to-52-percent margin. After the first debate, those numbers moved to a 49 percent tie.

If Romney gets the same bump as Kerry (who "won" his first debate by a smaller margin then Romney appears to have done tonight) it will be 51-46 Romney in a week.

TEX
10-03-2012, 11:58 PM
The press has been so easy on Obama the past few years and it came back to haunt him tonight, as he is not used to handling tough questions. Tonight Romney cleaned his clock. It was a total ass kicking.

RINGLEADER
10-03-2012, 11:59 PM
I think you are over valuing the importance of a debate. Like I said, Romney threw out a lot of mistruths tonight. He's going to have to own up to that.

I wasn't paying close enough attention...what were his mistruths?

Pawnmower
10-04-2012, 12:00 AM
Does it matter? Did you watch that link?

I stopped when he started stammering and stumble fucking his words up which was about 3 seconds in...

Theres no point in arguing about this, the debate will be in a week...and I don't really even care who wins although I am pretty sure Ryan is going to fuck Biden up...about as badly as Romney fucked Barry up tonight.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 12:01 AM
Before tonight, I would have to reluctantly agree, however, I believe the result of this upcoming election is very much in doubt.

Freight train.

TEX
10-04-2012, 12:02 AM
I'm watching MSNBC and there's no way anybody's claiming he didn't win. That being said, he ran his mouth a lot tonight and put his record out there for 3 more debates. He's going to have to defend that. He basically loaded Obama's gun and woke up the people in Obama's base that this isn't a done deal.

I think Biden smack's ryans ass with it next week

Biden is such a moron, that he's gonna smack his own ass next week.

CoMoChief
10-04-2012, 12:02 AM
Romney won.....but he also pretty much revealed he's a giant liberal.

Pawnmower
10-04-2012, 12:03 AM
it was pretty awesome when I saw it on Leno 2 weeks ago

Jesus christ are you THAT fucking butthurt over this debate? ROmney won...suck it up tuff guy


Did your feelings get huwt?

TELL MAMA, BABY

http://finktoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Fat-black-woman-1.jpg

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:03 AM
Romney won.....but he also pretty much revealed he's a giant liberal.

Duh

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:03 AM
Perhaps. But every newspaper, morning show, radio show, and twitter feed is going to be buzzing tomorrow about how well Romney did. That will have almost as much of a positive effect as the debate itself.

You should probably check out USA today's headline

ClevelandBronco
10-04-2012, 12:04 AM
The president was probably thinking the whole time about how badly he needed a cigarette.

Pawnmower
10-04-2012, 12:05 AM
You should probably check out USA today's headline

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/6/9/7/5/6/5/whiner-40601288438.jpeg

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:05 AM
I wasn't paying close enough attention...what were his mistruths?

So you admit that the truth doesn't matter? Just the way they say it.

Awesome.

Chiefspants
10-04-2012, 12:06 AM
Lol, it sounds like Romney is more liberal on education than Obama is.

Pawnmower
10-04-2012, 12:06 AM
So you admit that the truth doesn't matter? Just the way they say it.

Awesome.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XA4m8due1V4/TImJ845UxNI/AAAAAAAAA8o/4L4yqaLW5I8/s400/brat.jpg

mnchiefsguy
10-04-2012, 12:06 AM
You should probably check out USA today's headline

Is USA today declaring Obama won the debate?

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:06 AM
Jesus christ are you THAT ****ing butthurt over this debate? ROmney won...suck it up tuff guy


Did your feelings get huwt?

TELL MAMA, BABY

http://finktoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Fat-black-woman-1.jpg

Lol, I'm laughing at you right now.

mnchiefsguy
10-04-2012, 12:08 AM
You should probably check out USA today's headline

Check out CNN's headline:

www.cnn.com

"Romney Dominates Debate"

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:09 AM
Is USA today declaring Obama won the debate?

No they're just tearing apart his lies.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/03/fact-checking-the-debate/1612241/

Pawnmower
10-04-2012, 12:11 AM
No they're just tearing apart his lies.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/03/fact-checking-the-debate/1612241/

Thats funny it appears to check BOTH of their facts.

More whining

Jesus you are a fucking woman

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:13 AM
Thats funny it appears to check BOTH of their facts.

More whining

Jesus you are a ****ing woman

Don't hit on me, pussy

Pawnmower
10-04-2012, 12:14 AM
Don't hit on me, pussy

Im too feminine for you? You like a lot rougher ,macho calloused hands with scars and mechanics' grease and lava soap smell?

I wear coveralls

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:17 AM
Im too feminine for you? You like a lot rougher ,macho calloused hands with scars and mechanics' grease and lava soap smell?

I wear coveralls

Lol. Pretty detailed. More detailed than Romney for sure. You might change me with that agressive approach. I'll have to sleep on it for sure.

However, I have to admit that the fact that you're an ignorant hack is a huge turnoff, but I still don't know. Like I said I'll have to sleep on it, hope that's alright, k?

RINGLEADER
10-04-2012, 12:27 AM
So you admit that the truth doesn't matter? Just the way they say it.

Awesome.

No, I admit I wasn't paying close enough attention to know what the mistruths you referenced were.

I love it when liberals get upset...

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:32 AM
No, I admit I wasn't paying close enough attention to know what the mistruths you referenced were.

I love it when liberals get upset...

I don't really know where you get that I'm upset. I'm not.

AustinChief
10-04-2012, 12:35 AM
you haven't obviously seen Biden debate

educate yourself

Biden is a quality debater but Ryan is crazy smart and has unequaled command of facts and numbers.. Ryan will do well.

La literatura
10-04-2012, 12:37 AM
Obama might come alive during the foreign policy debates. He had his back against the wall tonight, and that probably explains a good deal of his timidity. I still think he, along with Romney, did an excellent job explaining his domestic policy and his opposition to the other side. But from a political victory perspective, Romney took this opportunity and did very well with it.

Ebolapox
10-04-2012, 12:41 AM
Jesus christ are you THAT ****ing butthurt over this debate? ROmney won...suck it up tuff guy


Did your feelings get huwt?

TELL MAMA, BABY

http://finktoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Fat-black-woman-1.jpg

you appear to have a big black lady fetish. what's with that, man?

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:41 AM
Biden is a quality debater but Ryan is crazy smart and has unequaled command of facts and numbers.. Ryan will do well.

Biden's sharper than he appears in public and Ryan's a sharp guy as well. I'm expecting a much better debate than what we saw tonight.

AustinChief
10-04-2012, 12:41 AM
Obama might come alive during the foreign policy debates. He had his back against the wall tonight, and that probably explains a good deal of his timidity. I still think he, along with Romney, did an excellent job explaining his domestic policy and his opposition to the other side. But from a political victory perspective, Romney took this opportunity and did very well with it.

Foreign policy is gonna be tough for Obama given the current setbacks. He was counting on the "Osama dead, Al Qaeda goner" angle.. and that isn't going to fly with a lot of folks after Libya.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:42 AM
Biden is a quality debater but Ryan is crazy smart and has unequaled command of facts and numbers.. Ryan will do well.

I say Biden steam rolls him.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 12:42 AM
you haven't obviously seen Biden debate

educate yourself

Biden is a good debater. Unfortunately for him, the last 4 years have left him with a very poor case to argue.

Bump
10-04-2012, 12:42 AM
doesn't every president get 2 terms anyways? It's been a long time since a president only got 1 term. I don't even care, I'm not even sure who the lesser of 2 evils is.

AustinChief
10-04-2012, 12:43 AM
Biden's sharper than he appears in public and Ryan's a sharp guy as well. I'm expecting a much better debate than what we saw tonight.

yep, no one should underestimate Biden. he is a sharp guy and a very skilled debater when he doesn't gaffe it up... BUT Ryan has the advantage (IMNSHO) because he can overwhelm Biden with numbers and take him off his game early. (AT least that's what he SHOULD do)

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:43 AM
Foreign policy is gonna be tough for Obama given the current setbacks. He was counting on the "Osama dead, Al Qaeda goner" angle.. and that isn't going to fly with a lot of folks after Libya.

and yet again I disagree, but then again I disagree that debates influence a significant amount of voters

AustinChief
10-04-2012, 12:43 AM
I say Biden steam rolls him.

No chance. But I don't think Ryan will roll either unless he can get a solid gaffe from Biden and that's not likely.

RINGLEADER
10-04-2012, 12:44 AM
and yet again I disagree, but then again I disagree that debates influence a significant amount of voters

Only when the person who's supposed to win doesn't win.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:44 AM
Biden is a good debater. Unfortunately for him, the last 4 years have left him with a very poor case to argue.

Romney's bullshit tonight and Ryan's budget gives him plenty of ammo.


I just wonder if Republicans ever take blame for getting us into this shit in the first place.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:45 AM
yep, no one should underestimate Biden. he is a sharp guy and a very skilled debater when he doesn't gaffe it up... BUT Ryan has the advantage (IMNSHO) because he can overwhelm Biden with numbers and take him off his game early. (AT least that's what he SHOULD do)

I doubt he'll rough up Biden like Romney punked Obama but it'll definitely be interesting.

I really wish I liked Romney & Ryan's politics because I like them better than Obama (Biden's a wash).

AustinChief
10-04-2012, 12:45 AM
I disagree that debates influence a significant amount of voters

Depends on what you are counting... debates CAN and DO influence the undecideds and that is all that matters right now. They are a TINY part of the electorate this year but enough to decide the election.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:45 AM
Only when the person who's supposed to win doesn't win.

what?

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:45 AM
I just wonder if Republicans ever take blame for getting us into this shit in the first place.

Nah. That'll never happen.

AustinChief
10-04-2012, 12:46 AM
I doubt he'll rough up Biden like Romney punked Obama but it'll definitely be interesting.

I really wish I liked Romney & Ryan's politics because I like them better than Obama (Biden's a wash).

I actually like Biden, not his politics but his candor.. he be fun to drink with.

La literatura
10-04-2012, 12:46 AM
doesn't every president get 2 terms anyways? It's been a long time since a president only got 1 term. I don't even care, I'm not even sure who the lesser of 2 evils is.

George H.W. Bush, Carter, Ford most recent.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:46 AM
Depends on what you are counting... debates CAN and DO influence the undecideds and that is all that matters right now. They are a TINY part of the electorate this year but enough to decide the election.

I like what Bill Maher said a few weeks ago (paraphrasing):

If you don't know who you're voting for at this point, you're just fucking too stupid to vote.

:D

patteeu
10-04-2012, 12:47 AM
Obama might come alive during the foreign policy debates. He had his back against the wall tonight, and that probably explains a good deal of his timidity. I still think he, along with Romney, did an excellent job explaining his domestic policy and his opposition to the other side. But from a political victory perspective, Romney took this opportunity and did very well with it.

I'm extremely biased (EB), of course, but I honestly thought that Obama had ideas in his head that he completely fumbled in the delivery. There were several times when I knew what he was trying to say but thought what actually came out of his mouth barely made any sense if at all. I can't imagine what people who don't follow this as closely as we do thought he was trying to say. Romney, on the other hand, had concise, easy-to-understand explanations, IM(EB)O.

Bump
10-04-2012, 12:47 AM
I just wonder if Republicans ever take blame for getting us into this shit in the first place.

I was all Clinton's fault, he left it in good condition, but set up for future failure

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:48 AM
George H.W. Bush, Carter, Ford most recent.

In Bump's defense, that was a long time ago. We're talking 1988 for Bush (24 years) and 32 years (Carter).

Ford wasn't actually elected, so he doesn't really count.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 12:48 AM
Romney's bullshit tonight and Ryan's budget gives him plenty of ammo.

Don't kid yourself.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:49 AM
I'm extremely biased (EB), of course, but I honestly thought that Obama had ideas in his head that he completely fumbled in the delivery. There were several times when I knew what he was trying to say but thought what actually came out of his mouth barely made any sense if at all. I can't imagine what people who don't follow this as closely as we do thought he was trying to say. Romney, on the other hand, had concise, easy-to-understand explanations, IM(EB)O.

I agree. I'm sure every speech teacher in the nation cut his/her wrist tonight.

the "uhs" were driving me batshit.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:50 AM
Don't kid yourself.

You'll see.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:50 AM
In Bump's defense, that was a long time ago. We're talking 1988 for Bush (24 years) and 32 years (Carter).

Ford wasn't actually elected, so he doesn't really count.

Could have down without you breaking down numbers dickhead.

La literatura
10-04-2012, 12:50 AM
I agree. I'm sure every speech teacher in the nation cut his/her wrist tonight.

the "uhs" were driving me batshit.

I didn't think they were as bad as usual, partly because I thought he held back. Well, I've got it recorded, so I'll watch it again another time or two.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:51 AM
I agree. I'm sure every speech teacher in the nation cut his/her wrist tonight.

the "uhs" were driving me batshit.

And it wasn't just that: The guy kept nodding his head while Romney was speaking, which basically looked like he was agreeing with him. His body language was awful and he acted like he was getting beat down.

His debate advisers need to fired immediately. And who doesn't practice in front of a mirror or faux audience?

That's debate/public speaking 101.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:52 AM
Could have down without you breaking down numbers dickhead.

LMAO

ClevelandBronco
10-04-2012, 12:52 AM
Could have down without you breaking down numbers dickhead.

Tough night?

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:52 AM
I didn't think they were as bad as usual, partly because I thought he held back. Well, I've got it recorded, so I'll watch it again another time or two.

It's like he makes a point and jumps on it, rather than think out what he'll say. If you watch clinton, he'll take a pause, and then let it rip.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:53 AM
Tough night?

I don't need anybody reminding me that Bush Sr was 24 years ago.

I'm living in denial of aging

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:54 AM
It's like he makes a point and jumps on it, rather than think out what he'll say. If you watch clinton, he'll take a pause, and then let it rip.

Well, Clinton was a fucking badass. Comparing anyone to him, other than Reagan, is folly.

I actually believe that Clinton was a better actor than Reagan.

teedubya
10-04-2012, 12:55 AM
Actually, I voted for MR... but accidentally clicked BO. Maybe this is a rigged electronic voting machine?

Romney killed Obama. Obama seemed weak and timid... he had HORRIBLE body language.

ghak99
10-04-2012, 12:55 AM
I thought Romney mopped the floor with Obama. Obama appeared to lack confidence and enthusiasm, something I really didn't expect. It was strange, almost as if Romney being as far left on the scale as he is has the Obama camp off their game.

The VP debate should be entertaining. Biden makes a lot of schmuck comments, but he's sharper than most give him credit for. It might be interesting watching hiss sense of humor clash with Ryan's flying ball of in your face arithmetic.

RINGLEADER
10-04-2012, 12:55 AM
And it wasn't just that: The guy kept nodding his head while Romney was speaking, which basically looked like he was agreeing with him. His body language was awful and he acted like he was getting beat down.

His debate advisers need to fired immediately. And who doesn't practice in front of a mirror or faux audience?

That's debate/public speaking 101.

He was relying on John Kerry to help him...

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 12:56 AM
We all lose...

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 12:57 AM
He was relying on John Kerry to help him...

I guess that's better than Howard Dean.

:D

RINGLEADER
10-04-2012, 12:57 AM
I thought Romney mopped the floor with Obama. Obama appeared to lack confidence and enthusiasm, something I really didn't expect. It was strange, almost as if Romney being as far left on the scale as he is has the Obama camp off their game.

The VP debate should be entertaining. Biden makes a lot of schmuck comments, but he's sharper than most give him credit for. It might be interesting watching hiss sense of humor clash with Ryan's flying ball of in your face arithmetic.

This whole episode is really calling into question whether we're going to get four more years as great as the last four. I'd hate to see the alternative to 8% unemployment, tepid economic growth, and trillion+ dollar deficits every year...

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 12:58 AM
Well, Clinton was a ****ing badass. Comparing anyone to him, other than Reagan, is folly.

I actually believe that Clinton was a better actor than Reagan.

I agree. I just remember my debate instructor saying to us. Get a solid 1st sentence and 3 supporting before you open your mouth.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 01:01 AM
Was it really that lopsided?

I didn't watch.

mnchiefsguy
10-04-2012, 01:01 AM
Well, Clinton was a ****ing badass. Comparing anyone to him, other than Reagan, is folly.

I actually believe that Clinton was a better actor than Reagan.

Hell, as good as Romney was tonight...if Clinton was in that debate, he would have completely wiped the floor with both Obama and Romney, and it would not have been close.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 01:04 AM
Hell, as good as Romney was tonight...if Clinton was in that debate, he would have completely wiped the floor with both Obama and Romney, and it would not have been close.

Well, yeah.

Clinton is probably the best orator since Kennedy. And that includes Reagan.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 01:05 AM
Was it really that lopsided?

I didn't watch.

It was Mike Tyson versus Michael Spinks.

Chiefspants
10-04-2012, 01:09 AM
Well, yeah.

Clinton is probably the best orator since Kennedy. And that includes Reagan.

QFT. Reagan was destroyed in the 84' debates.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 01:47 AM
Tweet from Slate's Dave Weigel (https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/253705073203482626):

67% of people in CNN poll say Romney did the best job. Highest # in history of the poll.

Comrade Crapski
10-04-2012, 02:48 AM
And the next debate will be on.... wait, let me stop laughing....

Foriegn policy. LMAO

Dallas Chief
10-04-2012, 03:24 AM
No MisDireckshun in this thread...curious... Must be in the fetal position somewhere sucking on a bottle of government cheese. Friggin fiddling bens...

Dallas Chief
10-04-2012, 03:25 AM
Well, yeah.

Clinton is probably the best orator since Kennedy. And that includes Reagan.

No way. I saw Primary Colors and he was nowhere near as good as Reagan:D

Brainiac
10-04-2012, 05:02 AM
It would be nice to know who the 3 people are who think Obama won the debate so that we could laugh at them.

RedNeckRaider
10-04-2012, 05:24 AM
It would be nice to know who the 3 people are who think Obama won the debate so that we could laugh at them.

It is a public poll just click on the number~

scho63
10-04-2012, 06:21 AM
CNN and MSNBC say Obama won-WRONG

FOX claims Mitt won


I'm shocked

MSNBC and CNN also said that Romney bitch slapped Obama around and Romney won by a landslide.

Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears, Bill Maher tweeted that Obama DOES need a teleprompter, and Michael Moore said John Kerry needs to be fired as Obama's debate coach.

This was a landslide by Romney with a President who seems worn out after 4 years and the excitement of the first bi-racial president is long gone.....

scho63
10-04-2012, 06:23 AM
It would be nice to know who the 3 people are who think Obama won the debate so that we could laugh at them.

They only clicked the Obama button by mistake....

Inspector
10-04-2012, 06:54 AM
The debate just sent tingles up my leg.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 07:06 AM
If you account for the mistaken answers by teedubya and banyon (who both said Romney won in their comments), there may be a larger percentage of ChiefsPlanet members who thought Romney won this thing than there are who are fans of the NFL's KC Chiefs or who think Matt Cassel isn't an elite QB.

headsnap
10-04-2012, 07:06 AM
They only clicked the Obama button by mistake....

Not those three...

patteeu
10-04-2012, 07:08 AM
Not those three...

teedubya said he clicked Romney but the Diebold software miscounted his vote. LMAO

eazyb81
10-04-2012, 07:25 AM
Even the most far-left liberal would have to admit that Romney opened a can of whoop ass on Barry last night. The Obama campaign has to be concerned this morning.

Direckshun
10-04-2012, 07:52 AM
Some quick thoughts:

1. I don't know if it was the new, deadly developments in Turkey/Syria, or his 20th anniversary, but Obama clearly looked underprepared and like he'd be somewhere else. He actually looked bored.

2. Romney scored all the hits tonight, both for him and against him. I thought this was the most moderate he's appeared (more on that in a moment) and you could finally see him as a human being instead of the robotic corporate drone we're used to seeing. Very prepared tonight, bravo all around for his performance. (Competing against the moderator has always been unpopular, however, and he did it like eight or nine times.)

3. To pull this off, he had to shake the Etch n Sketch. This was Moderate Massachussetts Governor Romney, the Romney I've been wanting to see for like four years, not the Romney that's been campaigning for those past four years. His rhetoric and positions, foggy as they were, were pure rightwing. 47% won't take responsibility for their lives, any collectivist rhetoric is a joke, Arizona is a model for the country, endorsing Paul Ryan's plan. But his debate performance, including the bizarre "trickle down" jab and his loving embrace of regulations, was a totally different Romney. Very strange to see.

4. I watched the debate at a huge debate party (~500 people) with mixed allegiances between Obama, Romney, and even a few Gary Johnson supporters. Obama earned more laughs but Romney had quite a few. I think Obama remains more likeable. Aside from healthcare, Romney earned plenty of applause -- but healthcare the crowd was behind Obama in near-totality. The very common opinion was that Romney was crisper and better last night.

5. Some big punches on both candidates were not landed tonight. Romney had his chance with Obamacare but for the most part kept detailing the parts of it he agreed with. Bain and the 47% comments were not discussed. So there are some big hits that the next debate can invite.

6. Sad that there were almost no words for the poor tonight. Spent almost their entire time on the middle class.

7. Edit: Hooray for this new debate format. Seriously. Much, much better to have them actively interact and speak on time-allotted subjects than to have them speak in 30-second bits. This does have greater demands on the moderator, however, and Lehrer was obviously not up to the task. Plenty of others will be. Stick with it, please.

oldandslow
10-04-2012, 07:54 AM
Romney killed him. Period. Went beyond confirmation bias, he really did look much more "presdidential."

jd1020
10-04-2012, 07:56 AM
Romney did better in last nights debate by lying about his stance and throwing the same shit in Obama's face that he himself serves.

Sorriest part of that whole debate was the moderator... what a joke.

BigCatDaddy
10-04-2012, 08:11 AM
Obama received an ass waxing that even made Romeo Crennel cringe.

blaise
10-04-2012, 08:16 AM
If you account for the mistaken answers by teedubya and banyon (who both said Romney won in their comments), there may be a larger percentage of ChiefsPlanet members who thought Romney won this thing than there are who are fans of the NFL's KC Chiefs or who think Matt Cassel isn't an elite QB.

Once the middle of the roaders like suzzer and cosmo vote Obama will have a few more tallies.

jd1020
10-04-2012, 08:19 AM
Romney was debating. Obama was campaigning. Obama's is playing not to lose when 1 swift kick to the nuts would have ended Romney's hopes of becoming the President last night.

blaise
10-04-2012, 08:25 AM
Romney was debating. Obama was campaigning. Obama's is playing not to lose when 1 swift kick to the nuts would have ended Romney's hopes of becoming the President last night.

You sound like you have some sour grapes or something.

ForeverChiefs58
10-04-2012, 08:28 AM
I actually like Biden, not his politics but his candor.. he be fun to drink with.

He loves the locals
http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/biden-biker-chick.jpg

Even cleans his Trans Am shirtless in front of the White house
http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/Shirtless-Biden-Jump-R-763737.jpg

HonestChieffan
10-04-2012, 08:32 AM
Romney was debating. Obama was campaigning. Obama's is playing not to lose when 1 swift kick to the nuts would have ended Romney's hopes of becoming the President last night.


Interesting take. Obama was on the talking points and seemed to be flustered when Romney was in such command of the figures and facts. Every time Obama talked he was rambling, giving those global feel nice lines that we see in speeches. But even then the were disconnected, almost random at times. He never really made a solid point.

Romney was able to take everything Obama did say and make a real point that gutted whatever it was Obama seemed to be trying to get to.

What will really hurt Obama is that the Romney the Obama campaign has attempted to create is not at all what the people saw. This could cost Obama dearly. If they continue to run ads that paint the Romney they wanted, they lose all credibility. And after being taken to school on economics and Romneys plan, Obama cannot realistically continue to basically lie.

Obama tried to stake out the middle class as his playground and Romney took that and ran with it. He showed not only an understanding of the issues with those in the middle, he had a real grasp of why jobs are not there and how to get them back.

What Obama did successfully do was reiterate his philosophy that big government is the answer to every issue across the board.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 08:38 AM
1. I don't know if it was the new, deadly developments in Turkey/Syria, or his 20th anniversary, but Obama clearly looked underprepared and like he'd be somewhere else. He actually looked bored.

LMAO

I think it was more that he has no real plan other than to tax and spend us to death.

eazyb81
10-04-2012, 08:40 AM
But his debate performance, including the bizarre "trickle down" jab and his loving embrace of regulations, was a totally different Romney. Very strange to see.


The "trickle down government" line was brilliant and a perfect characterization of Obama's vision of big government taking care of all our problems.

Direckshun
10-04-2012, 08:40 AM
I think it was more that he has no real plan other than to tax and spend us to death.

Seems reasonable.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 08:43 AM
Some quick thoughts:

1. I don't know if it was the new, deadly developments in Turkey/Syria, or his 20th anniversary, but Obama clearly looked underprepared and like he'd be somewhere else. He actually looked bored.

Or perhaps it was the fact that he was too arrogant to take or be bothered by criticism in his practice sessions and/or too undisciplined to practice enough to know his stuff to the point of it being second nature.

2. Romney scored all the hits tonight, both for him and against him. I thought this was the most moderate he's appeared (more on that in a moment) and you could finally see him as a human being instead of the robotic corporate drone we're used to seeing. Very prepared tonight, bravo all around for his performance. (Competing against the moderator has always been unpopular, however, and he did it like eight or nine times.)

You can't sit back passively and let misrepresentations of your positions go just because the moderator would like to move on to another topic. Obama dominated the time of possession in this debate so he really has no room to complain about Romney insisting on the opportunity to say a few more words here and there.

3. To pull this off, he had to shake the Etch n Sketch. This was Moderate Massachussetts Governor Romney, the Romney I've been wanting to see for like four years, not the Romney that's been campaigning for those past four years. His rhetoric and positions, foggy as they were, were pure rightwing. 47% won't take responsibility for their lives, any collectivist rhetoric is a joke, Arizona is a model for the country, endorsing Paul Ryan's plan. But his debate performance, including the bizarre "trickle down" jab and his loving embrace of regulations, was a totally different Romney. Very strange to see.

Not strange at all, and not inconsistent with his overall campaign. If you were under the impression that Romney or conservatives are against all regulations, you've been dealing with a cartoon version of your opposition instead of the real thing all along.

4. I watched the debate at a huge debate party (~500 people) with mixed allegiances between Obama, Romney, and even a few Gary Johnson supporters. Obama earned more laughs but Romney had quite a few. I think Obama remains more likeable. Aside from healthcare, Romney earned plenty of applause -- but healthcare the crowd was behind Obama in near-totality. The very common opinion was that Romney was crisper and better last night.

A 500 person debate watch party? What kind of dorky freak are you? :p

7. Edit: Hooray for this new debate format. Seriously. Much, much better to have them actively interact and speak on time-allotted subjects than to have them speak in 30-second bits. This does have greater demands on the moderator, however, and Lehrer was obviously not up to the task. Plenty of others will be. Stick with it, please.

Agree wholeheartedly on the format. Disagree about Lehrer.

Predarat
10-04-2012, 08:44 AM
'bama done got his ass kicked.

Direckshun
10-04-2012, 08:44 AM
The "trickle down government" line was brilliant and a perfect characterization of Obama's vision of big government taking care of all our problems.

I don't agree, I thought it was a weird line of attack. Specifically because trickle down economics is a big, big part of modern conservativism.

I don't know, having a nice zingy catchphrase makes for a good soundbite I suppose, but I just don't think phrases like that help him like his specific attacks on Obama do. I think at this point people want specifics, not taglines.

That's one reason I really liked this debate format, I felt this was one of the more substantive debates we've had.

banyon
10-04-2012, 08:45 AM
Why did you vote it a tie?

I think when I clicked the box, I went with my gut reaction. I thought it was a tie after the debate was over, but then I factored in my strong dislike of Romney and realized that I was probably shortchanging him on a few of the exchanges.

Direckshun
10-04-2012, 08:52 AM
Or perhaps it was the fact that he was too arrogant to take or be bothered by criticism in his practice sessions and/or too undisciplined to practice enough to know his stuff to the point of it being second nature.

Perhaps. That's a common foible of incumbent Presidents in debates. Bush's first debate against Kerry was horrific for that very reason.

You can't sit back passively and let misrepresentations of your positions go just because the moderator would like to move on to another topic.

Right, but there are ways to do it and there are ways to do it.

That doesn't change the fact that squabbling with the moderator is universally unpopular in debates.

Not strange at all, and not inconsistent with his overall campaign. If you were under the impression that Romney or conservatives are against all regulations, you've been dealing with a cartoon version of your opposition instead of the real thing all along.

Heh.

A 500 person debate watch party? What kind of dorky freak are you? :p

I really enjoyed the experience.

Agree wholeheartedly on the format. Disagree about Lehrer.

How so? You didn't think Lehrer was terrible?

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 08:53 AM
I don't agree, I thought it was a weird line of attack. Specifically because trickle down economics is a big, big part of modern conservativism.

It wasn't a weird line of attack at all.

It's a perfect illustration of Obama's hypocrisy.

The left wants to cry all the time about trickle down economics as if it's evil incarnate.

Yet they ALL WANT trickle down economics, they just want THEMSELVES to be at the top instead of private business.

banyon
10-04-2012, 08:53 AM
Always easier to think of questions in hindsight, but I think Obama missed an opportunity when he had Romney's (very lame) excuse that he wouldn't provide details about the deductions in his tax plan.

I think you follow up your question and his excuse with one of the following:

1) Ok, let's accept that you want Congress, who has an approval rating of under 10% in some polls, to be in charge of coming up with the details of your plan. Can't you at least tell the American people which deductions that are large enough to make up the difference in revenues would be considered and on the table or which ones you would rule out? We all know there's only a few.

or

2) So, let me get this straight, in your tax plan, you can tell us what the specific rate would be for different income groups and THAT isn't a detail that has to be negotiated in Congress, but the question of what major deductions would be able to close the revenue gap can't be discussed because it must be negotiated. What's the difference between putting ourt specific rates and specific deductions?

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 08:54 AM
You didn't think Lehrer was terrible?

You didn't like Lehrer because he didn't step in and keep Obama from getting bloodied.

Just admit it.

Direckshun
10-04-2012, 08:54 AM
It wasn't a weird line of attack at all.

It's a perfect illustration of Obama's hypocrisy.

The left wants to cry all the time about trickle down economics as if it's evil incarnate.

Yet they ALL WANT trickle down economics, they just want THEMSELVES to be at the top instead of private business.

Sounds reasonable.

Direckshun
10-04-2012, 08:56 AM
You didn't like Lehrer because he didn't step in and keep Obama from getting bloodied.

Just admit it.

I didn't like Lehrer because it's easy for these formats to wander a bit on topics if there's no time limit.

I like a moderator with much more Tim Russert-like gusto.

banyon
10-04-2012, 08:56 AM
It wasn't a weird line of attack at all.

It's a perfect illustration of Obama's hypocrisy.

The left wants to cry all the time about trickle down economics as if it's evil incarnate.

Yet they ALL WANT trickle down economics, they just want THEMSELVES to be at the top instead of private business.

What's trickling down? Who is accumulating the money at the top?

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 08:57 AM
What's trickling down? Who is accumulating the money at the top?

It's self-evident.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 09:05 AM
Perhaps. That's a common foible of incumbent Presidents in debates. Bush's first debate against Kerry was horrific for that very reason.



Right, but there are ways to do it and there are ways to do it.

That doesn't change the fact that squabbling with the moderator is universally unpopular in debates.

I don't believe that to be true.

Heh.



I really enjoyed the experience.



How so? You didn't think Lehrer was terrible?

I thought he did a good job of not becoming a factor in the debate. I thought this format, along with the lack of interference from Lehrer, allowed the candidates to go back and forth answering each others assertions and questions pretty well. I don't think that either candidate should feel like they didn't get a fair opportunity to fully explain themselves.

It seems to me like some liberals are mad at Lehrer for not ringing the bell and saving their guy like a fighter who is getting pummeled at the end of a boxing round.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 09:06 AM
It wasn't a weird line of attack at all.

It's a perfect illustration of Obama's hypocrisy.

The left wants to cry all the time about trickle down economics as if it's evil incarnate.

Yet they ALL WANT trickle down economics, they just want THEMSELVES to be at the top instead of private business.

Absolutely.

Direckshun
10-04-2012, 09:08 AM
I don't believe that to be true.

In debates that allow audiences to participate, it's almost always boo'd when it's done in excess.

The GOP primaries were the perfect example of that rule.

I thought he did a good job of not becoming a factor in the debate. I thought this format, along with the lack of interference from Lehrer, allowed the candidates to go back and forth answering each others assertions and questions pretty well. I don't think that either candidate should feel like they didn't get a fair opportunity to fully explain themselves.

That's fair.

It seems to me like some liberals are mad at Lehrer for not ringing the bell and saving their guy like a fighter who is getting pummeled at the end of a boxing round.

I didn't like Lehrer because it's easy for these formats to wander a bit on topics if there's no time limit.

I like a moderator with much more Tim Russert-like gusto.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 09:08 AM
What's trickling down? Who is accumulating the money at the top?

The government. That's why he called it trickle down government.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 09:09 AM
It seems to me like some liberals are mad at Lehrer for not ringing the bell and saving their guy like a fighter who is getting pummeled at the end of a boxing round.

This.

patteeu
10-04-2012, 09:10 AM
In debates that allow audiences to participate, it's almost always boo'd when it's done in excess.

The GOP primaries were the perfect example of that rule.

I haven't heard anyone but democrat spin merchants saying that about Romney last night. I thought he respectfully asserted his reasonable right to respond to direct criticisms last night. He rarely interrupted Obama while Obama was launching these attacks, but when they were done, he had a right to respond and I think most people would see it that way.

ChiTown
10-04-2012, 09:11 AM
LOL at the 6 guys that called last nights ass kicking either a tie or an Obot win. Blind Homerism at it's finest!LMAO

patteeu
10-04-2012, 09:11 AM
This.

You get credit for saying it first. I just didn't see it until after I posted my version.

bsp4444
10-04-2012, 09:11 AM
It wasn't a weird line of attack at all.

It's a perfect illustration of Obama's hypocrisy.

The left wants to cry all the time about trickle down economics as if it's evil incarnate.

Yet they ALL WANT trickle down economics, they just want THEMSELVES to be at the top instead of private business.

If trickle down economics worked, yes, we would be for it. It does not.

FishingRod
10-04-2012, 09:12 AM
Always easier to think of questions in hindsight, but I think Obama missed an opportunity when he had Romney's (very lame) excuse that he wouldn't provide details about the deductions in his tax plan.

I think you follow up your question and his excuse with one of the following:

1) Ok, let's accept that you want Congress, who has an approval rating of under 10% in some polls, to be in charge of coming up with the details of your plan. Can't you at least tell the American people which deductions that are large enough to make up the difference in revenues would be considered and on the table or which ones you would rule out? We all know there's only a few.

or

2) So, let me get this straight, in your tax plan, you can tell us what the specific rate would be for different income groups and THAT isn't a detail that has to be negotiated in Congress, but the question of what major deductions would be able to close the revenue gap can't be discussed because it must be negotiated. What's the difference between putting ourt specific rates and specific deductions?

I am more or less in agreement. I do think Romney won and thought Obama looked lost. While I dislike Obama more than Romney I found myself talking to the television Telling Obama to say ď NAME 3!Ē ( of these deductions/loopholes you would propose to close).

What irks me is that I havenít seen a plan from either side that would actually balance the budget much less start paying off the debt. Some debt is ok and normal but, when it is equal to the Entire GNP we have a problem that canít continue to be ignored.

HonestChieffan
10-04-2012, 09:12 AM
I don't believe that to be true.



I thought he did a good job of not becoming a factor in the debate. I thought this format, along with the lack of interference from Lehrer, allowed the candidates to go back and forth answering each others assertions and questions pretty well. I don't think that either candidate should feel like they didn't get a fair opportunity to fully explain themselves.

It seems to me like some liberals are mad at Lehrer for not ringing the bell and saving their guy like a fighter who is getting pummeled at the end of a boxing round.

Interesting. I thought Jim looked befuddled, confused, doddering, old, and simply sad. For someone with a long career and a pretty clean record of professionalism, he looked like a guy who is playing one more season than he should.

His attempts to exercise some control were poor and weak and when he kept tossing those leading comments trying to get Obama back on track it was almost sad.

That said, what we saw was a good debate. That may in fact be the lesson. Having some windbag reporter who is more interested in his or her screen time wont make a better debate.

ChiTown
10-04-2012, 09:13 AM
By the way, Obama, without a teleprompter, and facing a guy that can actually debate the issues (John McCain is a dipshit) is pretty funny to watch. A deer in headlights came to mind.

Chiefshrink
10-04-2012, 09:23 AM
Oh how Barry misses his teleprompter because he can't speak to the issues.

Last night's debate was the first time Obama had to truly answer to "We The People" and justify all his failed policies for re-election. And all of O's horses and all of O's men won't be able to put Obumpty back together again because you can't defend a sh** record.

Wait til the foreign policy debate:thumb:

We killed Osama !
We killed Osama !
We killed Osama !

This is all you will hear:rolleyes:

Chiefshrink
10-04-2012, 09:24 AM
By the way, Obama, without a teleprompter, and facing a guy that can actually debate the issues (John McCain is a dipshit) is pretty funny to watch. A deer in headlights came to mind.

BINGO !!:thumb:

Chiefshrink
10-04-2012, 09:29 AM
If trickle down economics worked, yes, we would be for it. It does not.

Evidence please !:rolleyes:

La literatura
10-04-2012, 09:31 AM
By the way, Obama, without a teleprompter, and facing a guy that can actually debate the issues (John McCain is a dipshit) is pretty funny to watch. A deer in headlights came to mind.

There was one time in particular where Romney was actually lecturing Obama on business. It's hard to argue with a successful businessperson on that.