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ChiefsandO'sfan
10-04-2012, 01:53 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000069022/A-Football-Life-Where-they-are-now


Anyone else wanna punch him?

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 01:56 AM
Pioli talking about cufflinks.

Fuck.

WHERE IS BATHAMAS

Simply Red
10-04-2012, 01:56 AM
Yes.

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 02:00 AM
That is so much bullshit.

All that genious and the Browns went:

6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11

1 playoff win.

AMAZING STAFF, BROS

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 02:01 AM
I watched this earlier.

All the high-profile names working for the Browns then is astounding.

RunKC
10-04-2012, 02:02 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000069022/A-Football-Life-Where-they-are-now


Anyone else wanna punch him?

Dimitroff looks like such a frat boy. But he's owning right now. God I wish we had him instead of Pioli.

Simply Red
10-04-2012, 02:04 AM
I watched this earlier.

All the high-profile names working for the Browns then is astounding.

Yeah it was neat seeing all of them and knowing them, now.

KCrockaholic
10-04-2012, 02:04 AM
Dimitroff is a balla ass GM.

Simply Red
10-04-2012, 02:04 AM
Dimitroff looks like such a frat boy. But he's owning right now. God I wish we had him instead of Pioli.

he's a pretty good dude too. Great hair.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-04-2012, 02:05 AM
That is so much bullshit.

All that genious and the Browns went:

6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11

1 playoff win.

AMAZING STAFF, BROS

Just think that 1 playoff win was in 94, Last chiefs playoff win 93.

RunKC
10-04-2012, 02:06 AM
Yeah it was neat seeing all of them and knowing them, now.

They don't have shit on our 90's staff. Marty, Cowher, Dungy, Herm (hey he's won a playoff game before), McCarthy.

God damn. And we end up hiring the weakest of the bunch, just like we did with the Patriots tree.

Sometimes I swear this franchise if cursed to hell.

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 02:06 AM
Belichick says "We got better every year."

Or maybe you just had a dogshit team that played a weak schedule?

The 1994 Browns beat TWO winning teams all year on the way to 11-5.

The rest of that regime was a losing effort.

These guys were, are and always will be FRAUDS without Tom Brady.

KCrockaholic
10-04-2012, 02:11 AM
Belichick says "We got better every year."

Or maybe you just had a dogshit team that played a weak schedule?

The 1994 Browns beat TWO winning teams all year on the way to 11-5.

The rest of that regime was a losing effort.

These guys were, are and always will be FRAUDS without Tom Brady.

IDK. Bill is a special coach in his own right. To me he's one of the best that's ever done it. Tom might be the common denominator, but Bill isn't a fraud.

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 02:12 AM
IDK. Bill is a special coach in his own right. To me he's one of the best that's ever done it. Tom might be the common denominator, but Bill isn't a fraud.

The rest of them, minus Dimitroff, who follows his own path, are a bunch of fucking frauds.

KCrockaholic
10-04-2012, 02:15 AM
The rest of them, minus Dimitroff, who follows his own path, are a bunch of ****ing frauds.

This part I can agree 100% with.

RunKC
10-04-2012, 02:23 AM
Belichick says "We got better every year."

Or maybe you just had a dogshit team that played a weak schedule?

The 1994 Browns beat TWO winning teams all year on the way to 11-5.

The rest of that regime was a losing effort.

These guys were, are and always will be FRAUDS without Tom Brady.

Except for this guy.

http://tommeltonscouting.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/thomas-dimitroff.jpg

RunKC
10-04-2012, 02:26 AM
One of Belicheck's best skills are hiding the weaknesses of players/people.

That's why he is so good. His system is a well-oiled machine that works fantastically.

I think that even after Brady leaves, the Pats will still have success. Maybe not great success like multiple SB's, but playoff success. Hell look at what he did with Cassel in his system when Brady got hurt?

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 02:33 AM
Hell look at what he did with Cassel in his system when Brady got hurt?

A 16-0 team to a 11-5? On a weak schedule, no less.

Awesome.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 02:33 AM
the problem with all these guys is they act like the NFL owes their little elitist high brow club something

like Pioli and pals are part of changing the NFL landscape and culture from that elitist Browns club.

You were dogshit on the Browns and all of them are dogshit now, a couple found Tom Brady and a few others were able to drop down to the college level and beat up on smaller schools and take over recruitment.

Yeah, great good job. It's a giant tree of overrated shit. I am glad there are other trees out there that can knock these guys down a peg and kick their asses every season. I like when a non Pats tree GM/coach can beat down Scott Pioli and make the system look like an overrated piece of shit. For example: Any Harbaugh brother chews up and spits out the Pats tree garbage that isnt Tom Brady.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 02:36 AM
and these "buddy deals" Pioli was talking about? Is what they are, buddy deals with his pals? Two buddy deals absolutely play a part in putting this franchise in an even deeper shithole

a 2nd rounder for Cassel and Vrabel + 60 million given to Cassel without ever even playing a down in a Chiefs uniform to get it

Tony Gonzalez for what essentially was Javier ****ing Arenas.


Buddy deals. Good job Scott. Brought in some great talent helping out your pals.

It just shows I dont think he cares about the Chiefs and winning, other than hes part of the NFL and still gets to chum around with his other buddies in the NFL while having a full team to control and stroke his ego. It's all a fraud

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 02:49 AM
LMAO

http://i.imgur.com/3a4qw.jpg

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 02:58 AM
it makes my blood boil just looking at him.

I mean it took me or any fan maybe 10 to 15 to 20 years to hate King Carl, it has taken Pioli only 4 years to instil that same exact hate.

and I dont know if that's impressive or that's how overrated he is.

RunKC
10-04-2012, 03:00 AM
A 16-0 team to a 11-5? On a weak schedule, no less.

Awesome.

Well Belicheck did build the rest of the team to carry a bad QB. Kind defeats the whole "the Pats are nothing without Brady" theory.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 03:03 AM
Well Belicheck did build the rest of the team to carry a bad QB. Kind defeats the whole "the Pats are nothing without Brady" theory.

How successful was it in the post-season?

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 03:03 AM
Well Belicheck did build the rest of the team to carry a bad QB. Kind defeats the whole "the Pats are nothing without Brady" theory.

there was some hall of fame talent still on that team in the twilight of their careers

you or I could have quarterbacked that team to 11 wins

the window was small. A bad QB on the current younger Pats team now would struggle like a bad QB is doing on a younger Chiefs team. The Pats team was able to rebuild and go young for the future while their QB got older and still able to stay competitive and successful every year

RunKC
10-04-2012, 03:04 AM
it makes my blood boil just looking at him.

I mean it took me or any fan maybe 10 to 15 to 20 years to hate King Carl, it has taken Pioli only 4 years to instil that same exact hate.

and I dont know if that's impressive or that's how overrated he is.

I hate Pioli more than King Carl. At least King Carl was somewhat likeable around the league. Nobody outside of New England except Dimitroff likes this clown.

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 03:06 AM
I hate Pioli more than King Carl. At least King Carl was somewhat likeable around the league. Nobody outside of New England except Dimitroff likes this clown.

Remember when the Lions' GM refused to shake Pioli's hand after the Lions beat our ass last year?

Pioli is an assclown of epic proportions.

RunKC
10-04-2012, 03:06 AM
How successful was it in the post-season?

Say what you want, but Belichecks system works.

He's continued drafting great players after Pioli and Dimitroff left.
The guy knows how to build a team. I don't think they are gonna tank after Brady leaves as long as Belicheck stays.

Hell I bet they could put Mallet in the rest of year and still win that division.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 03:08 AM
I hate Pioli more than King Carl. At least King Carl was somewhat likeable around the league. Nobody outside of New England except Dimitroff likes this clown.

that would probably explain why you never see anyone outside the tree make a deal with Pioli.

For once I'd like to see him trade with a GM he had no buddy connections to. I'd be shocked.

Like a real trade, not Alex Magee for a 7th rounder. Again, nice 3rd round pick Scott you fat fuck

RunKC
10-04-2012, 03:09 AM
Remember when the Lions' GM refused to shake Pioli's hand after the Lions beat our ass last year?

Pioli is an assclown of epic proportions.

That was a somewhat questionable offense against Pioli at first. Even after the Haley fiasco I thought that Pioli was still somewhat likeable around the league.

It wasn't until the Fisher/Manning debacles that really showed how Pioli is viewed.

Ugh:banghead:

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 03:12 AM
thats because Pioli got ole Gunther and the Lions in trouble for tampering with fucking Jarrad Page or some bum on the team.

because Pioli is a bitch lol

RunKC
10-04-2012, 03:18 AM
I just realized, Phil Emery has been a better GM than Pioli and he's only been in Chitown for months.

Trading for Brandon Marshall, actually giving your franchise player a contract he deserves, drafting a 1st round player that is actually making an impact on the team.

GOD DAMNIT CLARK!!!!!

KCUnited
10-04-2012, 06:19 AM
It makes you wonder if that whole Cleveland debacle and how that went down is why they handle the media the way they do.

Plus, when they showed Bill on his excercise bike watching tape it became obvious that Pioli wants to be just like him except it's a treadmill and a Babb/Whitlock column instead of game tape he's looking at.

Chief Roundup
10-04-2012, 08:06 AM
LMAO

http://i.imgur.com/3a4qw.jpg

wow looks like Eric Mangini.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 08:08 AM
You were dogshit on the Browns and all of them are dogshit now, a couple found Tom Brady and a few others were able to drop down to the college level and beat up on smaller schools and take over recruitment.

The line about college coaches beating up on smaller schools is bullshit.

You might be able to say that about Saban but what Kirk Ferentz has done at a 2nd-tier Big 10 school is a pretty big accomplishment.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 08:10 AM
thats because Pioli got ole Gunther and the Lions in trouble for tampering with ****ing Jarrad Page or some bum on the team.

because Pioli is a bitch lol

I believe it was Turk McBride.

So yeah, "some bum". LMAO

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-04-2012, 08:36 AM
Nah, just want him to ditch Pee Wee.

Deberg_1990
10-04-2012, 08:40 AM
Belichick says "We got better every year."

Or maybe you just had a dogshit team that played a weak schedule?

The 1994 Browns beat TWO winning teams all year on the way to 11-5.

The rest of that regime was a losing effort.

These guys were, are and always will be FRAUDS without Tom Brady.

Yea, who was the QB for the Browns then? I think it was Testaverde? He probably wasnt the only one though....

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 08:45 AM
If Belichick is smart he'll retire when Brady does. Otherwise his "genius" is going to fall off a fucking cliff.

The Patriot Way is Tom Brady. That's it. Herm Edwards would be seen as a football GOD if he was coaching the team that had Tom Brady.

GordonGekko
10-04-2012, 08:59 AM
If Belichick is smart he'll retire when Brady does. Otherwise his "genius" is going to fall off a ****ing cliff.

The Patriot Way is Tom Brady. That's it. Herm Edwards would be seen as a football GOD if he was coaching the team that had Tom Brady.

I don't think so. Herm was good at drafting talented players and that's about it. Belichik for all his setbacks, is a perfection visionary type CEO that leads teams to the promise lands.

You have to remember that Belichik drafted Brady and developed him behind Bledsoe as well, so some credit is do there.

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 09:04 AM
I don't think so. Herm was good at drafting talented players and that's about it. Belichik for all his setbacks, is a perfection visionary type CEO that leads teams to the promise lands.

You have to remember that Belichik drafted Brady and developed him behind Bledsoe as well, so some credit is do there.

What did Belichick win before Brady showed up? How average were his teams in Cleveland and New England?

Brady showed up and all the sudden Belichick was a genious....it's interesting to me that people don't think he'll suffer the same fate when he doesn't have Brady carrying his water that everyone else associated with that team has.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 09:07 AM
What did Belichick win before Brady showed up? How average were his teams in Cleveland and New England?

Brady showed up and all the sudden Belichick was a genious....it's interesting to me that people don't think he'll suffer the same fate when he doesn't have Brady carrying his water that everyone else associated with that team has.

Brady didn't win that first Super Bowl. The New England defense did.

With some help from a camera.

So in that sense, yes, BB was a visionary.

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 09:10 AM
Prior to Brady:

Belichick had 1 winning season in his 6 as a head coach
The Pats were 0-2 when Brady hit the scene
Record 41-57

After Brady
11 winning seasons in a row
5 Super Bowl appearances

Did the coach all the sudden become a genious or was it something else?

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 09:11 AM
Brady didn't win that first Super Bowl. The New England defense did.

With some help from a camera.

So in that sense, yes, BB was a visionary.

LMAO

That and Mike Martz refusing to run the ball with Marshall Faulk against a 3 man rush with 8 in coverage.

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 09:12 AM
I will give Belichick credit for one thing, he won 11 games with Matt Cassel as his QB. His IQ must be like 400 to do that.

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 09:17 AM
Prior to Brady:

Belichick had 1 winning season in his 6 as a head coach
The Pats were 0-2 when Brady hit the scene
Record 41-57

After Brady
11 winning seasons in a row
5 Super Bowl appearances

Did the coach all the sudden become a genious or was it something else?

LMAO

The Patriot Way is such fucking bullshit.

Hell, I think Bill Parcells is probably better at executing that philosophy...he just never had very good QBs after Phil Simms.

Dayze
10-04-2012, 09:21 AM
so essentially the 95 Browns are the Chiefs of the last 4 years....except with a playoff win.

awesome.

tomahawk kid
10-04-2012, 10:17 AM
If Belichick is smart he'll retire when Brady does. Otherwise his "genius" is going to fall off a ****ing cliff.

The Patriot Way is Tom Brady. That's it. Herm Edwards would be seen as a football GOD if he was coaching the team that had Tom Brady.

THIS.

Two things I pulled from that show -

1. Tom Brady has made ALOT of money for no talent a$$ clowns in this league.

2. Scott Pioli is, indeed, still a "slappy".

The Rick
10-04-2012, 10:20 AM
They don't have shit on our 90's staff. Marty, Cowher, Dungy, Herm (hey he's won a playoff game before), McCarthy.

God damn. And we end up hiring the weakest of the bunch, just like we did with the Patriots tree.

Sometimes I swear this franchise if cursed to hell.

Wow, that is depressing. :facepalm:

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 10:53 AM
2. Scott Pioli is, indeed, still a "slappy".

Motion to start calling Scott "slappy." Or have his name filtered. Mods?

Dave Lane
10-04-2012, 11:02 AM
I don't think so. Herm was good at drafting talented players and that's about it. Belichik for all his setbacks, is a perfection visionary type CEO that leads teams to the promise lands.

You have to remember that Belichik drafted Brady and developed him behind Bledsoe as well, so some credit is do there.

Herm didn't draft anyone stop with this bullshit revisionist history. This has been discussed ad nauseum.

It's total bullshit.

donkhater
10-04-2012, 11:03 AM
That is so much bullshit.

All that genious and the Browns went:

6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11

1 playoff win.

AMAZING STAFF, BROS

and no QB.:hmmm:

Dave Lane
10-04-2012, 11:10 AM
Now I know he's an idiot for sure. He has an Atlas Shrugged book on the bookshelf behind him. Fuck he's in the Taco John region of fucked in the head.

lcarus
10-04-2012, 11:15 AM
Bill Belichick is nothing without Tom Brady. Fuck that guy.

While I'm at it, fuck Phil Jackson too. Guy acts like some arrogant "zen master" because he won with the best basketball players fucking EVER. I could have coached Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe Bryant to multiple championships. Let's see you go coach the Orlando Magic sans Dwight this season Phil. Meditate on that one and get back to me.

Von Dumbass
10-04-2012, 11:22 AM
Prior to Brady:

Belichick had 1 winning season in his 6 as a head coach
The Pats were 0-2 when Brady hit the scene
Record 41-57

After Brady
11 winning seasons in a row
5 Super Bowl appearances

Did the coach all the sudden become a genious or was it something else?

Patriot fans don't get that. Belicheat is a fraud who hasn't won a Super Bowl without cheating either

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Patriot fans don't get that. Belicheat is a fraud who hasn't won a Super Bowl without cheating either

I can think of another team that cheated and won a Super Bowl and those fans don't get it either.

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Motion to start calling Scott "slappy." Or have his name filtered. Mods?

2nd

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 01:48 PM
Patriot fans don't get that. Belicheat is a fraud who hasn't won a Super Bowl without cheating either

How many trophies have the Broncos won without cheating? :hmmm:

Von Dumbass
10-04-2012, 01:52 PM
Denver didn't gain a competitive advantage by what they did.

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 02:22 PM
Denver didn't gain a competitive advantage by what they did.

LMAO

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 02:29 PM
Denver didn't gain a competitive advantage by what they did.

LMAO

TEX
10-04-2012, 02:58 PM
Denver didn't gain a competitive advantage by what they did.

ROFL

Please tell how they didn't...

Von Dumbass
10-04-2012, 03:16 PM
ROFL

Please tell how they didn't...

I've been over this a dozen times here. Bowlen needed to build a new stadium and had an agreement with Elway and TD that he would pay them at a later date. If Bowlen wasn't trying to get a new stadium it wouldn't have been an issue.

Henderson did not directly address the issue of whether the club gained a competitive advantage but said the Broncos circumvented the cap to help pay for costs related to the construction of Invesco Field at Mile High.

"The investigation resulted in the discovery of undisclosed agreements between the club and Broncos players during the same period [1996-1998] pursuant to which various players agreed to defer certain compensation in exchange for a commitment to pay interest on the deferred amounts," Henderson said in the statement. "These agreements were plainly designed to help the club cope with seasonal cash flow problems exacerbated by the Broncos' need to fund front-end expenditures associated with development of the new stadium in Denver."

The Broncos reportedly were responsible for about $100 million of the approximately $401 million cost of Invesco Field at Mile High, which opened in 2001 and replaced Mile High Stadium as the team's home.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 03:24 PM
I've been over this a dozen times here. Bowlen needed to build a new stadium and had an agreement with Elway and TD that he would pay them at a later date. If Bowlen wasn't trying to get a new stadium it wouldn't have been an issue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

They circumvented the cap to pay for Crisco.

Why don't you just fuck off already.

cyborgtable
10-04-2012, 03:50 PM
Say what you want, but Belichecks system works.

He's continued drafting great players after Pioli and Dimitroff left.
The guy knows how to build a team. I don't think they are gonna tank after Brady leaves as long as Belicheck stays.

Hell I bet they could put Mallet in the rest of year and still win that division.

The myth that he is a good drafter is the most annoying part of the whole Bellicheat genius myth. He inherited the core of that defense and signed free agents for the missing pieces.

His recent draft record is also rather abysmal. He has drafted two very good tight ends but nothing else, a decent starting corner, two slow middle linebackers who don't play with much discipline, pumping picks into an O-line that couldn't stop the Cardinals defense or Baltimore's.

His recent defense, which is supposedly his forte, has been awful. He plays a very conservative defense which worked when he was aloud to hold receivers past 5 yards but not so much anymore. He plays it with poor athlete's who were other teams dredge.

Bottom line, he inherited a very solid defense, caught lightning in a bottle with Tom Brady, cheated to his superbowl victories. It took him 3 years to win a playoff game since getting outed. The "super" offense he uses has been beaten by the same team in the superbowl twice and they ran the exact same scheme both times, so much for never losing twice. He is a cheating fraud who is carried by Tom Brady nothing else

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 04:16 PM
This 95 Browns thing is such fucking bullshit.

They act like what happened in New England was because of what started in Cleveland.

No assholes. TOM BRADY.

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 04:22 PM
What's sad is our GM is the one guy that would have watched Tom Brady up close, watched him win, watched him change the fortunes of everyone around him.

Then he saw Matt Cassel up close for years and thought he could win in the same way with him.

Scott Pioli is genious.

RunKC
10-04-2012, 05:36 PM
The myth that he is a good drafter is the most annoying part of the whole Bellicheat genius myth. He inherited the core of that defense and signed free agents for the missing pieces.

His recent draft record is also rather abysmal. He has drafted two very good tight ends but nothing else, a decent starting corner, two slow middle linebackers who don't play with much discipline, pumping picks into an O-line that couldn't stop the Cardinals defense or Baltimore's.

His recent defense, which is supposedly his forte, has been awful. He plays a very conservative defense which worked when he was aloud to hold receivers past 5 yards but not so much anymore. He plays it with poor athlete's who were other teams dredge.

Bottom line, he inherited a very solid defense, caught lightning in a bottle with Tom Brady, cheated to his superbowl victories. It took him 3 years to win a playoff game since getting outed. The "super" offense he uses has been beaten by the same team in the superbowl twice and they ran the exact same scheme both times, so much for never losing twice. He is a cheating fraud who is carried by Tom Brady nothing else

Jerod Mayo and Devin McCourty look like good players. Oh and Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower were damn good picks.

cyborgtable
10-04-2012, 06:23 PM
Jerod Mayo and Devin McCourty look like good players. Oh and Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower were damn good picks.

So 4 years of trading back picks, leading the league in picks in atleast two of those years and 4 players look good. Jerod Mayo is a good starter nothing special, McCourty looked bad last year and is playing solidly this year jury is still out, and 2 rookies cause you know how a rookie plays the first 4 weeks of the season is how their career is going to look

tk13
10-04-2012, 06:25 PM
While Brady is no doubt a huge part of NE's success... Belichick deserves credit for putting him in there. Its easy to say now but he left Brady in over a 1st overall $100 million QB. A lot of coaches wouldn't have done that... especially after Bledsoe won the AFC championship. I know most of the armchair GMs here wouldn't have done it. Not for a 6th round guy.
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cyborgtable
10-04-2012, 06:30 PM
While Brady is no doubt a huge part of NE's success... Belichick deserves credit for putting him in there. Its easy to say now but he left Brady in over a 1st overall $100 million QB. A lot of coaches wouldn't have done that... especially after Bledsoe won the AFC championship. I know most of the armchair GMs here wouldn't have done it. Not for a 6th round guy.
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Cause winning a superbowl with a final drive is totally not as good as and AFC title game. Where is milkman to call a dumbass when you need him

Rausch
10-04-2012, 06:46 PM
Cause winning a superbowl with a final drive is totally not as good as and AFC title game. Where is milkman to call a dumbass when you need him

He'd call you a dumbass because until Hoodie benched the 1st round franchise QB there was no Lombardi...

cyborgtable
10-04-2012, 06:53 PM
Hoodie didn't bench em he got injured by Mo Lewis forcing Brady into action

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 06:55 PM
The biggest sack of shit in that piece of was Belichick talking about how he wanted to build this awesome blue collar football team in Cleveland.

Oh yeah, man. That was definitely gonna get you to a Super Bowl in an AFC with Elway's Broncos, Kelly's Bills, Montana's Chiefs, Marino's Dolphins, and so on and so forth.

Let's see. who played in the AFC Championship from 91-95?

Elway, Kelly
Marino, Kelly
Montana, Kelly
Humphries, O'Donnell
Harbaugh, O'Donnell

Maybe you could have beaten the O'Donnell Steelers...or wait, no, you couldn't have, because you got your fucking asses kicked against them in the '94 playoffs, 29-9.

Fucking frauds couldn't even compete with a superior version of the blue collar bullshit model (which lost, in the end, anyway).

Fucking self-important tree of Brown shit can fuck off.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 06:56 PM
So most of Pioli's "friends" have not completely fucked him on trades.

And the reason he appears to have worked these deals out is his relationship with the Coaches/GM's he's dealt with?

So he's the guy you keep around because it's fun to shave his eyebrows when he passes out first?...

Rausch
10-04-2012, 06:58 PM
Maybe you could have beaten the O'Donnell Steelers...or wait, no, you couldn't have, because you got your ****ing asses kicked against them in the '94 playoffs, 29-9.


IIRC they put up 200-300 yards rushing that game vs. the Browns...

Von Dumbass
10-04-2012, 07:01 PM
The biggest sack of shit in that piece of was Belichick talking about how he wanted to build this awesome blue collar football team in Cleveland.

Oh yeah, man. That was definitely gonna get you to a Super Bowl in an AFC with Elway's Broncos, Kelly's Bills, Montana's Chiefs, Marino's Dolphins, and so on and so forth.

Let's see. who played in the AFC Championship from 91-95?

Elway, Kelly
Marino, Kelly
Montana, Kelly
Humphries, O'Donnell
Harbaugh, O'Donnell

Maybe you could have beaten the O'Donnell Steelers...or wait, no, you couldn't have, because you got your ****ing asses kicked against them in the '94 playoffs, 29-9.

****ing frauds couldn't even compete with a superior version of the blue collar bullshit model (which lost, in the end, anyway).

****ing self-important tree of Brown shit can **** off.

I swear, I think Hamas has been using GoChiefs' account off and on the past 8 or 9 months.

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 07:04 PM
His spirit endures within me.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 07:04 PM
I swear, I think Hamas has been using GoChiefs' account off and on the past 8 or 9 months.

They're different people?...

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 07:09 PM
If Belichick had stayed in Cleveland, would those blue collar heroes, surely on the rise by that point as an AFC power, have beaten the:

'96 Patriots?
'97 Broncos?
'98 Broncos?
'99 Titans?
'00 Ravens?

Shit, I bet they wouldn't even have gotten out of their own division against Brunell's Jags.

Crush
10-04-2012, 07:11 PM
If the Bills don't go full retard on their final drive in Super Bowl XXV, Bellifraud's so-called genious is never established.

OnTheWarpath58
10-04-2012, 08:04 PM
Anyone notice that all of the guys that became GMs have drafted a R1 QB - except Pioli?

Hell, Newsome has done it twice.

Count Alex's Losses
10-04-2012, 08:09 PM
If the Bills don't go full retard on their final drive in Super Bowl XXV, Bellifraud's so-called genious is never established.

Pats D has been ranked 20th or worse 3 seasons running.

Bewbies
10-04-2012, 10:11 PM
Pats D has been ranked 20th or worse 3 seasons running.

That's because they lost Pioli and his drafting genious. It's clearly evident with our top 5 D ranking since his arrival. LMAO

Rausch
10-04-2012, 10:27 PM
That's because they lost Pioli and his drafting genious.

...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q6iKngO2OIo/UGe7rOjJxcI/AAAAAAAAAcE/kTVKXNLJ7Vs/s320/well_bye_2.jpg

Dave Lane
10-04-2012, 11:12 PM
Denver didn't gain a competitive advantage by what they did.

Damn you got more excuses than a brother headed to jail.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 11:17 PM
Damn you got more excuses than a brother headed to jail.

LMAO

tk13
10-04-2012, 11:39 PM
Cause winning a superbowl with a final drive is totally not as good as and AFC title game. Where is milkman to call a dumbass when you need him

Quality post here. You proved my point for me. You're absolutely right, winning a Super Bowl is better than an AFC title game. Belichick went into that first Super Bowl having to decide between their 1st round, $100 million QB with Super Bowl experience who had just won them the AFC title game over the Steelers after Brady got hurt... or the green 6th round QB with one playoff win... the Tuck Rule game, and he was lucky to win that.

As much as people may want to thrash and scream and cry, the whole thing happened because of Belichick. You have to remember that Bledsoe signed the richest contract in NFL history the previous offseason. What Belichick did took balls. I think there are very few guys who would bench a $100 million QB, or the richest QB in the game... and there are plenty of coaches who believe starters can't lose their job due to injury. Or people who have egos too big to do what Belichick did. Brady may very well be the Patriot way... but he created it because Belichick didn't let his ego get in the way of winning games.

Sorter
10-04-2012, 11:58 PM
Belichick has ego. We all do. The difference b/w him and Pioli, IMO, is that Bill recognizes his, acknowledges its negative impact and plans/performs accordingly.

Bewbies
10-05-2012, 12:10 AM
Quality post here. You proved my point for me. You're absolutely right, winning a Super Bowl is better than an AFC title game. Belichick went into that first Super Bowl having to decide between their 1st round, $100 million QB with Super Bowl experience who had just won them the AFC title game over the Steelers after Brady got hurt... or the green 6th round QB with one playoff win... the Tuck Rule game, and he was lucky to win that.

As much as people may want to thrash and scream and cry, the whole thing happened because of Belichick. You have to remember that Bledsoe signed the richest contract in NFL history the previous offseason. What Belichick did took balls. I think there are very few guys who would bench a $100 million QB, or the richest QB in the game... and there are plenty of coaches who believe starters can't lose their job due to injury. Or people who have egos too big to do what Belichick did. Brady may very well be the Patriot way... but he created it because Belichick didn't let his ego get in the way of winning games.

If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...

tk13
10-05-2012, 12:23 AM
If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...

Brady was knocked out early in the AFC Championship... Bledsoe came in and did well enough to win on the road in Pittsburgh. Spin it any way you want, there was a legitimate debate at the time about who should start the Super Bowl. It's easy to pass judgment in hindsight knowing what Brady went on to do. But if you start a 6th round QB over a 1st round pick who has the biggest contract in football... you better be right.

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 07:54 AM
If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...

Brady didn't win the AFC Championship, Bledsoe did. Brady got injured.

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 07:55 AM
If Belichick had stayed in Cleveland, would those blue collar heroes, surely on the rise by that point as an AFC power, have beaten the:

'96 Patriots?
'97 Broncos?
'98 Broncos?
'99 Titans?
'00 Ravens?

Shit, I bet they wouldn't even have gotten out of their own division against Brunell's Jags.

Well, he wouldn't have beaten the 2000 Ravens.

Because if Belichick has stayed in Cleveland, that means the Browns stayed in Cleveland.

And therefore, the Ravens don't exist.

:D

suds79
10-05-2012, 08:27 AM
Watched the show last night.

It just dawned on me, and you see this in the video in the OP, When Demetrof & Pioli meet in Scott's mansion. I want the next set of Chiefs to be filled with types of what that famous crew used to be.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1496397/Schwartz2.PNG

These guys. Young, hungry, full of talent & work harder than the rest.

You tellin me that those guys (even though I'd take Demetrof in a second) are working as hard now as they used to in the show?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MGqIvh_GbvU/UG7g5UYamVI/AAAAAAAACzg/3mBHg8DKQ8c/s700/Untitled-1111.jpg

It also sickened me as a reminder that Scott traded Tony to his buddy's team. I mean honestly. Can you work a deal at all that doesn't involve one of your old cronies?

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 08:36 AM
LMAO LMAO LMAO

Look at Lombardi's mustache!!!

notorious
10-05-2012, 08:50 AM
Wow, they only paid 401 million for that stadium?


It's amazing how much prices have skyrocketed!

Amnorix
10-05-2012, 08:58 AM
The rest of them, minus Dimitroff, who follows his own path, are a bunch of fucking frauds.



Plenty of success in the college ranks off that tree. Agreed that pro success hasn't been there outside of Dimitroff.

Amnorix
10-05-2012, 09:04 AM
Brady didn't win the AFC Championship, Bledsoe did. Brady got injured.


Not by himself. Patriots were winning 7-3 when Brady got hurt, and had completed a long(ish) pass to Troy Brown. It was in the 2nd quarter.

And I agree that Bledsoe definitely helped win the game, but everyone forgets that he made one of the most asinine throws I've ever seen in that game too -- throwing it blindly over his head backwards when he got turned around and was about to be sacked. In a massive defensive struggle he begged for a pick six that could've swung the game.

Amnorix
10-05-2012, 09:05 AM
If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...


You have no idea how split the fan base up here was over that SB decision. To me it was a no brainer for Brady, but many here thought otherwise. And by many, I mean MANY!

notorious
10-05-2012, 09:11 AM
More like this:

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/1444/bradyk.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/bradyk.png/)

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 09:12 AM
Not by himself. Patriots were winning 7-3 when Brady got hurt, and had completed a long(ish) pass to Troy Brown. It was in the 2nd quarter.

And I agree that Bledsoe definitely helped win the game, but everyone forgets that he made one of the most asinine throws I've ever seen in that game too -- throwing it blindly over his head backwards when he got turned around and was about to be sacked. In a massive defensive struggle he begged for a pick six that could've swung the game.

Still, it's revisionist history to suggest that Belichick had an "easy" decision or anything of the sort.

The unwritten rule is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. BB deserves credit for thumbing his nose at tradition...

Amnorix
10-05-2012, 09:17 AM
Still, it's revisionist history to suggest that Belichick had an "easy" decision or anything of the sort.

The unwritten rule is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. BB deserves credit for thumbing his nose at tradition...

Oh I agree with that, and BB deserves massive credit.

Keep in mind two things -- first that all coaches, but NFL coaches especially, tend to be very conservative and tend to do the things that, all else being equal, will get them the LEAST criticism if it fails. BB definitely doesn't fall into that category. Picking Brady to start the SB is one example. A less successful one is 4th and 2 against Indy -- A DECISION I SUPPORTED THEN AND SUPPORT NOW. Just because a decision doesn't succeed doesn't mean the wrong choice was made.

Second, BB got crucified in Cleveland for benching, whoever it was -- Kosar I guess. Now he's going against the grain and picking the new guy to start the Super Bowl over the former number 1 pick guy. That takes titanium testicles...

suds79
10-05-2012, 09:18 AM
More like this:

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/1444/bradyk.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/bradyk.png/)

Ha. :clap:

Prior to this season I used to say this league is 80% QB, everything else is filler. And truly believed that.

Then we have the Sean Payton example.

Think I have to amend that to 80% QB & HC, Then everybody else.

notorious
10-05-2012, 09:19 AM
Eh, my photoshop skills suck, but I couldn't help it. :)

Amnorix
10-05-2012, 09:19 AM
Belichick says "We got better every year."

Or maybe you just had a dogshit team that played a weak schedule?

The 1994 Browns beat TWO winning teams all year on the way to 11-5.

The rest of that regime was a losing effort.

These guys were, are and always will be FRAUDS without Tom Brady.


Are the Saints teaching you noting this year without their Head Coach? Or is Tom Brady so awesome even Drew Brees can't be compared to him?

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 09:20 AM
Oh I agree with that, and BB deserves massive credit.

Keep in mind two things -- first that all coaches, but NFL coaches especially, tend to be very conservative and tend to do the things that, all else being equal, will get them the LEAST criticism if it fails. BB definitely doesn't fall into that category. Picking Brady to start the SB is one example. A less successful one is 4th and 2 against Indy -- A DECISION I SUPPORTED THEN AND SUPPORT NOW. Just because a decision doesn't succeed doesn't mean the wrong choice was made.

Second, BB got crucified in Cleveland for benching, whoever it was -- Kosar I guess. Now he's going against the grain and picking the new guy to start the Super Bowl over the former number 1 pick guy. That takes titanium testicles...

Exactly.

We here in KC know about the conservatism of the NFL first-hand.

Amnorix
10-05-2012, 09:22 AM
Ha. :clap:

Prior to this season I used to say this league is 80% QB, everything else is filler. And truly believed that.

Then we have the Sean Payton example.

Think I have to amend that to 80% QB & HC, Then everybody else.

If it was 80% QB then Philip Rivers would be doing better than he has, Peyton Manning would have more than one ring, Favre would've had more than one, Elway would've won before Terrell Davis, and Dan Marino sure as shit wouldn't have been shut out.

You can't win a SB without a very good quarterback, but you need alot more than a very good quarterback to win consistently in the NFL. Belichick is the ARCHITECT (not just the coach) of a team that wasn't under .500 for a full decade, and has gone to 5 Super Bowls (and an AFCC) in 10 years. The entire roster has turned over other than Brady, and still the Patriots have gone to Super Bowls...

notorious
10-05-2012, 09:23 AM
.

Picking Brady to start the SB is one example. ...

My memory is a little shady. Why wouldn't he start Tom Brady in the SuperBowl?

I know NE was based almost solely on defense and timely 3rd down conversions, and Brady was just a guy that took care of the ball, but who else would he have started?

suds79
10-05-2012, 09:29 AM
If it was 80% QB then Philip Rivers would be doing better than he has, Peyton Manning would have more than one ring, Favre would've had more than one, Elway would've won before Terrell Davis, and Dan Marino sure as shit wouldn't have been shut out.

Agreed. That's why I have to change that to QB & HC. Not just QB.

And I just started believing that until the last couple years when rules changed and QBs started routinely passing for 4,000+ yards. So anything before that doesn't apply now to that belief I have. It's a completely different game.

For the worse I might add. Used to be you would win it all a variety of ways. ex: 200 ravens. Now? The only way I see it is to have a top 5 QB & a great HC.