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ChiefsandO'sfan
10-04-2012, 12:57 PM
http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6063673


All you can do is laugh at this point. "The chiefs don't make the moves necessary to improve the team, chiefs wont spend the $ to get great players"

T-post Tom
10-04-2012, 01:03 PM
Bernie said that he was offended when Haley used blue language (mf) while coaching him. Coaches do that? Shocking.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 01:03 PM
Fuck Bernard Pollard.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 01:05 PM
Fuck Bernard Pollard.

Do you think he's wrong?

Chiefspants
10-04-2012, 01:06 PM
That low blow on Brady is why this franchise is in the position it is today. What's now hilarious about that game is that Cassel could only manage seven point win against Huard and company. Heck, that game was four yards away from going into overtime.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:06 PM
I'm so jealous of all the rings he's won since leaving Kansas City.

Pestilence
10-04-2012, 01:10 PM
I'm so jealous of all the rings he's won since leaving Kansas City.

So you have to have a ring to have an opinion about this organization?

He's in a better position to get one where he's at....then he was here.

dallaschiefsfan
10-04-2012, 01:10 PM
I'm so jealous of all the rings he's won since leaving Kansas City.

And how each team he's played on want to lock him up to a long-term contract. Oh wait...

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:15 PM
So you have to have a ring to have an opinion about this organization?

He's in a better position to get one where he's at....then he was here.

The point he was trying to make was about winning.
He hasn't won anything significant since leaving Kansas City.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 01:16 PM
I'm so jealous of all the rings he's won since leaving Kansas City.

and just think Pollard has a more realistic of a chance to win a super bowl than the talent rotting on the Chiefs- Hali, Flowers, Charles, DJ will never even win a playoff game in a Chiefs uniform during the prime of their careers so at least Pollard is in a position to win and be competitive, and that's really all you want as a player and can ask for as a fan.

Chiefnj2
10-04-2012, 01:18 PM
The point he was trying to make was about winning.
He hasn't won anything significant since leaving Kansas City.

AFC Championship game last year. Would have won it if Evans caught the ball. KC hasn't sniffed that since '93.

Pestilence
10-04-2012, 01:18 PM
The point he was trying to make was about winning.
He hasn't won anything significant since leaving Kansas City.

He knows what a playoff win feels like.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 01:18 PM
Pollard has won division titles, playoff games, etc since leaving KC.

and he's only 27 with a 3 year extension with the Ravens. So a 3 year window before he's 30 to win a Super Bowl.

He will get there before Tamba, Charles, Flowers, DJ etc ever even sniff another winning season as Chiefs. If ever in the prime of their careers.

So yes, I'd say Pollard is in a very significant position to make his opinion and it has a lot of value to describe how this franchise is currently being run and how others think of it around the league.

DaWolf
10-04-2012, 01:19 PM
Do you think he's wrong?

He's not wrong. But I didn't take anything he said as a shot. He got to the Chiefs at a time when everything was in flux and rebuilding, and he admits he still needed to mature and that getting cut helped give him a kick in the butt he needed. It would obviously be a difference going from the rebuilding of Herm and Carl to the remodel of Pioli and Haley to a maturing product in Houston with a stable coach and front office and the same thing in BMore with a stable coach, front office, and veteran players. The Ravens are established, players have won in the postseason, and they're building on that. Vs the Chiefs, who are still trying to establish an identity.

I liked listening to Pollard. Good interview...

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:19 PM
and just think Pollard has a more realistic of a chance to win a super bowl than the talent rotting on the Chiefs- Hali, Flowers, Charles, DJ will never even win a playoff game in a Chiefs uniform during the prime of their careers so at least Pollard is in a position to win and be competitive, and that's really all you want as a player and can ask for as a fan.

He won't though. No worries.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:20 PM
AFC Championship game last year. Would have won it if Evans caught the ball. KC hasn't sniffed that since '93.

They give rings out for losing that game?

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 01:21 PM
The point he was trying to make was about winning.
He hasn't won anything significant since leaving Kansas City.

Yeah and that's all his fault

:facepalm:

If the Ravens win the Super Bowl this year, what will be your excuse then?

Chiefnj2
10-04-2012, 01:22 PM
They give rings out for losing that game?

It's so much better to not have won a playoff game since '93 than it is to reach the AFC Championship game last year and have a decent shot this year.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:23 PM
He knows what a playoff win feels like.

1 playoff win last year.
Incredible.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:23 PM
Yeah and that's all his fault

:facepalm:

If the Ravens win the Super Bowl this year, what will be your excuse then?

They won't.

And where did I say it was all his fault?

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:23 PM
It's so much better to not have won a playoff game since '93 than it is to reach the AFC Championship game last year and have a decent shot this year.

Waves at the strawman.

Straight, No Chaser
10-04-2012, 01:24 PM
http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6063673


All you can do is laugh at this point. "The chiefs don't make the moves necessary to improve the team, chiefs wont spend the $ to get great players"

Sounds like he was "OK" with leaving when Pioli & Haley arrived. He liked Herm and Carl.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 01:24 PM
yo id be fucking swinging from a ceiling fan in happiness if the Chiefs were even good enough to make it to the AFC Championship and lose. Fuck it thats like 5 months of solid football from my favorite team.

Id consider that a successful season for the Chiefs. So yeah.

Chiefnj2
10-04-2012, 01:26 PM
Waves at the strawman.

You said he hasn't won anything of significance. Winning a playoff game and getting to the AFC Championship game is significant, especially for a loser franchise like KC.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 01:27 PM
I've never been a fan of his, and the talent he's around is likely masking his deficiencies, but he's been with 2 organizations since leaving the Chiefs.

Two organizations that are among the best in the NFL.

I'd say he knows a little something about winning, at this point.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:28 PM
yo id be ****ing swinging from a ceiling fan in happiness if the Chiefs were even good enough to make it to the AFC Championship and lose. **** it thats like 5 months of solid football from my favorite team.

Id consider that a successful season for the Chiefs. So yeah.

Of course I would, but that's beside the point.

The real point is...You can't have $8 and talk shit to the guy with $4.
If you're going to throw stones about winning you should probably have won something. Aside from 1 playoff game about 9 months ago, he hasn't won anything significant. But if 1 more playoff game makes for bragging rights, so be it.

Agent V
10-04-2012, 01:28 PM
It really doesn't matter that he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet with Baltimore. They're in a better position to make championship runs for at least the next five years –– anybody can see that. He's seen the inner workings of the Chiefs' organization and the Ravens' organization, and that's his opinion. And he's right.

Oh, also, he and his team are going to shove a large, black-feathered dick in Pioli's butt in his team's house on Sunday afternoon. Again. I'm guessing he'll feel pretty validated after that.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:31 PM
You said he hasn't won anything of significance. Winning a playoff game and getting to the AFC Championship game is significant, especially for a loser franchise like KC.

His team LOST the AFC Championship game.
Since when do we dole out credit for appearances in post-season games?
Kansas City made an "appearance" in the Wildcard Round two years ago. Nobody bragged about that because we got rolled.

1 playoff victory since leaving Kansas City. 1. That gives him room to disparage Kansas City?

How many "significant" games did he win in Houston? A. None. He's not disparaging the Texans though. Pollard has an ax to grind with Kansas City. I can't understand why you guys can't see that.

Does that mean I'm happy with what Kansas City has done since 2008?
Abso-****ing-lutely not. But that also hasn't been argued.

morphius
10-04-2012, 01:32 PM
I'd say that 90% of Chiefs fans here wanted to build through the draft, so I'm not going to fault the philosophy we are trying to follow. The big issues are that you can't miss on the draft, you still need to plug gaps with FA's and you can't have you 1 big time, over priced FA be Cassel.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:36 PM
It really doesn't matter that he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet with Baltimore. They're in a better position to make championship runs for at least the next five years anybody can see that. He's seen the inner workings of the Chiefs' organization and the Ravens' organization, and that's his opinion. And he's right.

It should be noted that this is a significantly more nuanced point than the one he made. Just saying...

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:39 PM
I've never been a fan of his, and the talent he's around is likely masking his deficiencies, but he's been with 2 organizations since leaving the Chiefs.

Two organizations that are among the best in the NFL.

I'd say he knows a little something about winning, at this point.

He's been on one good team (for one year) since he left.
Come on man.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 01:40 PM
His team LOST the AFC Championship game.
Since when do we dole out credit for appearances in post-season games?
Kansas City made an "appearance" in the Wildcard Round two years ago. Nobody bragged about that because we got rolled.

1 playoff victory since leaving Kansas City. 1. That gives him room to disparage Kansas City?

How many "significant" games did he win in Houston? A. None. He's not disparaging the Texans though. Pollard has an ax to grind with Kansas City. I can't understand why you guys can't see that.

Does that mean I'm happy with what Kansas City has done since 2008?
Abso-****ing-lutely not. But that also hasn't been argued.

He's not the only one with an ax to grind. Gee, I wonder why that is? :hmmm:

Chiefnj2
10-04-2012, 01:40 PM
He's not disparaging the Texans though. Pollard has an ax to grind with Kansas City. I can't understand why you guys can't see that.

.

Did you even listen to the interview? He doesn't have an axe to grind. He's happy as hell to be playing for a first class organization. He isn't bitter or angry in the least bit.

TEX
10-04-2012, 01:42 PM
His team LOST the AFC Championship game.
Since when do we dole out credit for appearances in post-season games?
Kansas City made an "appearance" in the Wildcard Round two years ago. Nobody bragged about that because we got rolled.

1 playoff victory since leaving Kansas City. 1. That gives him room to disparage Kansas City?

How many "significant" games did he win in Houston? A. None. He's not disparaging the Texans though. Pollard has an ax to grind with Kansas City. I can't understand why you guys can't see that.

Does that mean I'm happy with what Kansas City has done since 2008?
Abso-****ing-lutely not. But that also hasn't been argued.

Axe or no axe - he's right.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:42 PM
He's not the only one with an ax to grind. Gee, I wonder why that is? :hmmm:

You're right. Wouldn't have anything to do with being cut.
:rolleyes:

Dave Lane
10-04-2012, 01:42 PM
Bernie said that he was offended when Haley used blue language (mf) while coaching him. Coaches do that? Shocking.

Fuck you Pollard. Offended by the f-word? Fuck off!!

Chiefnj2
10-04-2012, 01:43 PM
You're right. Wouldn't have anything to do with being cut.
:rolleyes:

If Rosie O'Donnell dumps you and then you end up dating Emma Stone, do you have an axe to grind, or are you one happy motherfucker?

saphojunkie
10-04-2012, 01:48 PM
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htismaqe
10-04-2012, 01:49 PM
You're right. Wouldn't have anything to do with being cut.
:rolleyes:

I said he's NOT the only one. There's a lot of people out there that have problems with the current regime in KC and some of them have never played in KC.

:hmmm:

COchief
10-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Jesus, a three minute plug for some stupid iphone game, do yourself a favor and skip to around 2:45.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Did you even listen to the interview? He doesn't have an axe to grind. He's happy as hell to be playing for a first class organization. He isn't bitter or angry in the least bit.

I did. Most players would've deflected that question.
He took an opportunity to potshot the organization because he's still bitter about being cut (incidentally he mentions being cut).

That's the long and the short of it.

Is this a winning organization? Nope.
Are the Ravens in better position? Yep.

Does 1 playoff win in 3 years constitute bragging rights?

Does he sound bitter currently? No.
Does he sound bitter about the past? Yes.

OnTheWarpath58
10-04-2012, 01:52 PM
I said he's NOT the only one. There's a lot of people out there that have problems with the current regime in KC and some of them have never played in KC.

:hmmm:

Stop making sense.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:52 PM
I said he's NOT the only one. There's a lot of people out there that have problems with the current regime in KC and some of them have never played in KC.

:hmmm:

There are also players who don't, but I suppose the dissenting opinions are more pertinent to the discussion?

saphojunkie
10-04-2012, 01:53 PM
Why are people suddenly protective of the Chiefs regime? Pollard, to me, has a very specific point of view:

He came in basically with Flowers, Carr, and Page. He watched as the Chiefs did not hold together their secondary, which was very promising. Pollard has become a very good safety for the Ravens, which is more than I expected from him. I'd LOVE to have him back SS spot, playing next to Berry.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 01:55 PM
If Rosie O'Donnell dumps you and then you end up dating Emma Stone, do you have an axe to grind, or are you one happy mother****er?

One can be happy with their current situation and still be bitter about the past. If you don't believe that, you've never dated a woman in your life.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 01:56 PM
There are also players who don't, but I suppose the dissenting opinions are more pertinent to the discussion?

What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about Bernard Pollard.

OF COURSE he has an axe to grind. He got cut for no good reason.

MANY, MANY people in the NFL, not associated with the Chiefs, think that was a STUPID move.

TEX
10-04-2012, 01:56 PM
Why are people suddenly protective of the Chiefs regime? Pollard, to me, has a very specific point of view:

He came in basically with Flowers, Carr, and Page. He watched as the Chiefs did not hold together their secondary, which was very promising. Pollard has become a very good safety for the Ravens, which is more than I expected from him. I'd LOVE to have him back SS spot, playing next to Berry.

He's good because they keep him within his skill set. It's called good coaching. It puts players in the best position to succeed. It's a concept that's lost in KC...

saphojunkie
10-04-2012, 01:58 PM
He didn't say he was offended by the language. He was offended by being talked to like that. He said, "The style that Haley had coaching. You're not gonna get in my face and 'mother-F' me and think I'm not gonna say nothing. Like I told him, when I was there, and I told Pioli, 'I have kids, and I don't talk to them that way, so you're gonna be speak to me that way.'"

It was a respect issue, not a language issue.

COchief
10-04-2012, 01:58 PM
There are also players who don't, but I suppose the dissenting opinions are more pertinent to the discussion?

Cassel doesn't count, he was given 63 mill without any fear of anyone ever challenging his position.

Watch the games buddy, how many players do you see giving everything they got for this coach and GM?

Micjones
10-04-2012, 02:01 PM
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about Bernard Pollard.

You just alluded to other players not 5 minutes ago.
You should probably make up your mind.

OF COURSE he has an axe to grind. He got cut for no good reason.

Thanks for acknowledging that fact.

MANY, MANY people in the NFL, not associated with the Chiefs, think that was a STUPID move.

Let's not pretend he's Troy Polamalu.
His best seasons came after leaving Kansas City.
And he certainly hasn't been a world-beater since joining the Ravens.

saphojunkie
10-04-2012, 02:01 PM
He needs to come back and undo what he has done.

You're on notice, Matt Cassel's knee...

B_Ambuehl
10-04-2012, 02:05 PM
Why are people suddenly protective of the Chiefs regime? Pollard, to me, has a very specific point of view:

He came in basically with Flowers, Carr, and Page. He watched as the Chiefs did not hold together their secondary, which was very promising. Pollard has become a very good safety for the Ravens, which is more than I expected from him. I'd LOVE to have him back SS spot, playing next to Berry.

That's one thing annoying about this fanbase. They did that with Herm too. When Herm was hired Jets fans came over here and told yall exactly what would happen. Nobody wanted to hear it. When Hackoli was hired Whitlock et. al said exactly what he was. Nobody here wanted to hear it. Clark thinks he can do whatever he want because he has enough loyal sheep. If Chiefs fans were more like Jets fans (getting Wayne Hunter run outta town after one bad season of play) maybe it wouldn't take so long for bad moves to be dealt with appropriately.

OnTheWarpath58
10-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Who gives a shit if he has an axe to grind?

He's right. That's all that matters here.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 02:09 PM
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about Bernard Pollard.

OF COURSE he has an axe to grind. He got cut for no good reason.

MANY, MANY people in the NFL, not associated with the Chiefs, think that was a STUPID move.

It WAS a stupid move. Almost as stupid as cutting Jason Babin before training camp.

Pioli's a fucking worthless dickfoot.

gblowfish
10-04-2012, 02:18 PM
Maybe Pollard will go all Brady on Cassel. I have a Bernard Pollard Fan Club Shirt at home. Might have to break it out this week for the game.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 02:19 PM
He's been on one good team (for one year) since he left.
Come on man.

This is his second season in Baltimore.

He was in Houston when they beat the Chiefs in '10.

If you want to coddle this franchise, go over to Arrowhead Pride.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 02:21 PM
You just alluded to other players not 5 minutes ago.
You should probably make up your mind.

I alluded to other players because there are other players that have said similar things to Pollard. You were trying to deflect, pure and simple.

Bernard Pollard had the audacity to speak up and for that, he was cut. Just like Brian Waters.

This regime is a fraud, why you would want to put yourself in this position I have no idea. You must be a masochist.

Chiefnj2
10-04-2012, 02:22 PM
I did. Most players would've deflected that question.
He took an opportunity to potshot the organization because he's still bitter about being cut (incidentally he mentions being cut).

.

I didn't notice a potshot. He talked about clashing with Haley. He talked about the Ravens having a completely different approach to practice and the game. You can see those things when the Ravens take the field and when KC takes the field. You can see those things by the offseason moves of the organizations (Rice v. Bowe). You can see the difference in facilities between the clubs. He said KC wasn't going to win a bidding war for a player.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 02:22 PM
That's one thing annoying about this fanbase. They did that with Herm too. When Herm was hired Jets fans came over here and told yall exactly what would happen. Nobody wanted to hear it. When Hackoli was hired Whitlock et. al said exactly what he was. Nobody here wanted to hear it. Clark thinks he can do whatever he want because he has enough loyal sheep. If Chiefs fans were more like Jets fans (getting Wayne Hunter run outta town after one bad season of play) maybe it wouldn't take so long for bad moves to be dealt with appropriately.

The Jets fans that came here were patronizing assholes. That's why nobody wanted to hear it.

They didn't come here and say "Herm sucks, you'll hate him."

They came here saying "oh, you poor things. We feel so sorry for you." and then went back to their Jets forum and laughed at us.

Fuck them.

Deberg_1990
10-04-2012, 02:24 PM
If only Pioli had not dumped the genious that is Chan Galiey.


Oh wait......

Discuss Thrower
10-04-2012, 02:24 PM
Bernie said that he was offended when Haley used blue language (mf) while coaching him. Coaches do that? Shocking.

Yet you could hear him clear as a bell dropping MF'er on a Texan player two years ago through a parabolic mic.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 02:29 PM
It WAS a stupid move. Almost as stupid as cutting Jason Babin before training camp.

Pioli's a fucking worthless dickfoot.

I thought Babin became a FA after the 08 season?

Molitoth
10-04-2012, 02:33 PM
Pollard was a beast on special teams during his rookie season.

T-post Tom
10-04-2012, 02:35 PM
Yet you could hear him clear as a bell dropping MF'er on a Texan player two years ago through a parabolic mic.

How dare Bernie disrespect a player like that! How uncivilized! I bet that other player doesn't talk to his own kids that way!

FAX
10-04-2012, 02:37 PM
The Bernard Pollard you hear in a radio interview is not the same Bernard Pollard on the field of play. Nor, in this case, is it the same Bernard Pollard the Chiefs cut 3 years ago.

FAX

3rd&48ers
10-04-2012, 02:38 PM
Cheaps are the cheapest org in the NFL.... Yall always get 2-3 players away and they never will pay to get over that hump.If you had a decent QB you would be leading the west and would win the west this year.

Discuss Thrower
10-04-2012, 02:39 PM
Cheaps are the cheapest org in the NFL.... Yall always get 2-3 players away and they never will pay to get over that hump.If you had a decent QB you would be leading the west and would win the west this year.

I thought we went over this back in Week 1: it's worth your while to troll us when we aren't already using your talking points.

Pestilence
10-04-2012, 02:40 PM
Maybe Pollard will go all Brady on Cassel. I have a Bernard Pollard Fan Club Shirt at home. Might have to break it out this week for the game.

Maybe he can do that.....Quinn will come in and lead us to an 11-5 record (while missing the playoffs)....in turn we'll franchise tag Quinn and then trade him to another team for a 2nd round pick.

3rd&48ers
10-04-2012, 02:40 PM
I thought we went over this back in Week 1: it's worth your while to troll us when we aren't already using your talking points.

How in the hell can I troll you when my team is worse than yours

Deberg_1990
10-04-2012, 02:49 PM
The Bernard Pollard you hear in a radio interview is not the same Bernard Pollard on the field of play. Nor, in this case, is it the same Bernard Pollard the Chiefs cut 3 years ago.

FAX

It's cool. I respect his opinion because he was there in the locker room, but I don't agree with it. Coaches use foul language all the time. Big deal. Grow up, be a man and take it.

As for the player and decision to cut him...he obviously wasn't buying what Pioli and Haley were selling, so they made an example of him. Happens all the time.

He's not a bad player. But he's not a great one either. His being cut has no bearing really on the Chiefs situation right now.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 02:49 PM
I thought Babin became a FA after the 08 season?

He played for Herm in 2008. He was unceremoniously cut by Pioli without even attending training camp.

GREAT move.

Discuss Thrower
10-04-2012, 02:49 PM
How in the hell can I troll you when my team is worse than yours

I'm not saying you can't, but when you rehash the same shit half the membership here has already stated since 2009 it washes you out.

Find a new narrative!

Micjones
10-04-2012, 02:50 PM
This is his second season in Baltimore.

I wasn't counting this season. It's still ongoing, yes?
They're certainly a good team thus far, but we should probably wait to see how things pan out before we crown them one month into the year.

He was in Houston when they beat the Chiefs in '10.

That was a post-season game?

If you want to coddle this franchise, go over to Arrowhead Pride.

My opinions of Pollard's interview has jack and shit to do with the Chiefs.

Chocolate Hog
10-04-2012, 02:51 PM
Bernard Pollard was cheeks in Kansas City

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 02:53 PM
My opinions of Pollard's interview has jack and shit to do with the Chiefs.

Uh huh.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 02:55 PM
I alluded to other players because there are other players that have said similar things to Pollard. You were trying to deflect, pure and simple.

And again, those aren't the only other players with valuable opinions.
I suppose they are though if you're trying to make your point.

This regime is a fraud, why you would want to put yourself in this position I have no idea. You must be a masochist.

In what position exactly?

3rd&48ers
10-04-2012, 02:57 PM
I'm not saying you can't, but when you rehash the same shit half the membership here has already stated since 2009 it washes you out.

Find a new narrative!

I will as soon as the matt cassel sucks threads stop

saphojunkie
10-04-2012, 02:58 PM
Oh my god there is some retardation in this thread.

You people should actually listen to the interview instead of spouting off opinions based on a WILDLY misleading thread title and a few incorrect posters.

Micjones
10-04-2012, 02:59 PM
Uh huh.

Or you could explain for me the point you think I was trying to make.
Don't worry, I'll wait...

KC Tattoo
10-04-2012, 03:02 PM
Oh my god there is some retardation in this thread.

You people should actually listen to the interview instead of spouting off opinions based on a WILDLY misleading thread title and a few incorrect posters.

THIS. Bernard Pollard never said Chiefs don't want to win. What he was getting at is that the Chiefs don't know how to win.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-04-2012, 03:05 PM
The guy sucked ass here. Shouldn't have waited to play better until Lewis threatened to kill him.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-04-2012, 03:06 PM
I will as soon as the matt cassel sucks threads stop

Grab a Snickers

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 03:06 PM
He played for Herm in 2008. He was unceremoniously cut by Pioli without even attending training camp.

GREAT move.

I just remember he signed with the Chiefs during the season, then became a FA after the season.

I hate to sound like I'm defending Pioli here, but Babin was nothing then.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but he struggled in a 3-4 in Houston.

J Diddy
10-04-2012, 03:07 PM
Do you think he's wrong?

Not at all. I'm still pissed about what he did to Brady's knee. He doesn't do that and Cassel is bagging groceries.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 03:08 PM
Not at all. I'm still pissed about what he did to Brady's knee. He doesn't do that and Cassel is bagging groceries.

No, he'd still be starting for the Chiefs. We just would have given a 3rd-rounder for him instead of a 2nd.

saphojunkie
10-04-2012, 03:10 PM
http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6063673


All you can do is laugh at this point. "The chiefs don't make the moves necessary to improve the team, chiefs wont spend the $ to get great players"


You're full of shit.

"They're not looking to go out and get the top pick available. They're not looking to trade all of this and all that. They're gonna get guys that, that, that, are able to play in THEIR system. They're not looking to spend the top dollar all the time"

-TALKING ABOUT THE RAVENS


REGARDING CHIEFS:

We wanted to win. We just didn't have all the pieces to the puzzle. Here, with the Baltimore Ravens, they're always looking to add a piece to the puzzle. If you have to get a veteran guy...get a guy in the draft, we're not looking to get the best guy in the draft, we're looking to get a guy to come in and complete this thing. We want that guy to come and do that for us, but not necessarily spending that top dollar. And I think EVERY PLAYER AROUND THE NFL KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE BALTIMORE RAVENS, DON'T EXPECT THEM TO GET INTO SOME KIND OF SHOOT-OUT AS FAR AS CONTRACT-WISE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.


****ing misleading thread title. Opposite of OP. Baltimore is cheap, drafts for the "right 53." NOT chiefs.

Pollard said that these are things that differentiate Baltimore from other teams and why they are successful.

Jeez, people. ****ing reactionary much?

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 03:11 PM
I just remember he signed with the Chiefs during the season, then became a FA after the season.

I hate to sound like I'm defending Pioli here, but Babin was nothing then.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but he struggled in a 3-4 in Houston.

He didn't struggle in Houston. They moved on to a new regime plus, they were a clusterfuck when he was there.

The point being is that Pioli was "supposedly" this great talent evaluator. He had a guy on the cheap, yet didn't even give him an opportunity in training camp. Since that time, he's been a beast.

Pioli fail.

-King-
10-04-2012, 03:12 PM
We're crying about a guy who had 13 sacks in the 5 years prior to being a Chief?

This forum has been hilarious the past couple weeks LMAO

-King-
10-04-2012, 03:18 PM
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about Bernard Pollard.

OF COURSE he has an axe to grind. He got cut for no good reason.

MANY, MANY people in the NFL, not associated with the Chiefs, think that was a STUPID move.

People took their stupid pills today. He SUCKED!

nychief
10-04-2012, 03:19 PM
More importantly, did BP discuss dancing like a fucking stripper in the Lockeroom during Hard Knocks?

Wow, did you look like a group of pussies there... And he was our head cheerleader.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 03:21 PM
People took their stupid pills today. He SUCKED!

He wasn't cut because he sucked.

He was cut because he wouldn't fall in line.

-King-
10-04-2012, 03:21 PM
Pollard went on to get released from like 2 decent defenses because he was such a liability in pass coverage. Jarrad Page has been cut a couple of times too.

Come to think of it, you might be on to something here.



But ya know....he was cut for no good reason.

-King-
10-04-2012, 03:21 PM
He wasn't cut because he sucked.

He was cut because he wouldn't fall in line.

I'll let you argue with yourself.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 03:21 PM
He didn't struggle in Houston. They moved on to a new regime plus, they were a clusterfuck when he was there.

The point being is that Pioli was "supposedly" this great talent evaluator. He had a guy on the cheap, yet didn't even give him an opportunity in training camp. Since that time, he's been a beast.

Pioli fail.

Agree to disagree.

There is a metric ton of shit to bash Pioli for.

This isn't one of them.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 03:22 PM
I'll let you argue with yourself.

There's no argument.

He was cut because he yelled at a coach. He was insubordinate.

-King-
10-04-2012, 03:23 PM
There's no argument.

He was cut because he yelled at a coach. He was insubordinate.

And because he was SUCH a liability in pass coverage.

DaneMcCloud
10-04-2012, 03:26 PM
Agree to disagree.

There is a metric ton of shit to bash Pioli for.

This isn't one of them.

Yeah, let's not bash a guy for allowing a player that later turned into one of the best 3-4 outside linebackers in the league get away for nothing.

It's more short-sightedness on Pioli's part. Meanwhile, the guy would have been far better than Vrabel opposite Hali but damn! I just remembered: Pioli traded for Vrabel, which made Babin expendable.

Yeah, that's not on Pioli, at all.

htismaqe
10-04-2012, 03:27 PM
And because he was SUCH a liability in pass coverage.

Yeah, that's why they cut him on SEPTEMBER FIFTH.

-King-
10-04-2012, 03:28 PM
Yeah, that's why they cut him on SEPTEMBER FIFTH.

Yep. Because he was being a pussy to the coach and because he is SUCH a liability in pass coverage.

-King-
10-04-2012, 03:31 PM
Yeah, let's not bash a guy for allowing a player that later turned into one of the best 3-4 outside linebackers in the league get away for nothing. The Eagles don't run a 3-4 :spock:


It's more short-sightedness on Pioli's part. Meanwhile, the guy would have been far better than Vrabel opposite Hali but damn! I just remembered: Pioli traded for Vrabel, which made Babin expendable.

Yeah, that's not on Pioli, at all.

Yeah, I can't believe Pioli let him get away. How do you let someone averaging 2.6 sacks a year get away?!?! How dare he!

Look at all the teams that were lining up to give Babin a big deal. Clearly all the GMs in the league other than Pioli knew what Babin was capable of.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-04-2012, 03:32 PM
This place went apeshit when Pollard was cut. Most loved it. Alot of celebration gifs if I remember right.

Some of us watched his play with Houston and he was still an absolute abortion in coverage.

New World Order
10-04-2012, 03:33 PM
His team LOST the AFC Championship game.
Since when do we dole out credit for appearances in post-season games?
Kansas City made an "appearance" in the Wildcard Round two years ago. Nobody bragged about that because we got rolled.

1 playoff victory since leaving Kansas City. 1. That gives him room to disparage Kansas City?

How many "significant" games did he win in Houston? A. None. He's not disparaging the Texans though. Pollard has an ax to grind with Kansas City. I can't understand why you guys can't see that.

Does that mean I'm happy with what Kansas City has done since 2008?
Abso-****ing-lutely not. But that also hasn't been argued.


He starts on a team that is considered to be a super bowl contender, we are 1-3.

There really is nothing more to say.

Easy 6
10-04-2012, 03:34 PM
Pollard taking swipes at the culture here, pioli, whatever, is fine by me.

But lets not forget his complete suckage in game after game, couldnt cover a high school wr, whiffed in egregious fashion all of the time, always going for the killshot & failing to bring the man down all of the time... i dont miss him one. little. bit.

Give me a healthy Berry & Lewis any day over Pollard.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 03:44 PM
Yeah, let's not bash a guy for allowing a player that later turned into one of the best 3-4 outside linebackers in the league get away for nothing.

It's more short-sightedness on Pioli's part. Meanwhile, the guy would have been far better than Vrabel opposite Hali but damn! I just remembered: Pioli traded for Vrabel, which made Babin expendable.

Yeah, that's not on Pioli, at all.

He only had 2.5 sacks in 09 for Philly.

He's clearly better in the 4-3.

If you wanna bash Scott for switching to the 3-4, I'd be happy to join you.

We're on the same side here. Pioli is garbage and needs to be gone yesterday.

Guru
10-04-2012, 03:56 PM
**** Bernard Pollard.

I wonder, if he doesn't break Brady's leg, do we still end up with Cassel?

durtyrute
10-04-2012, 04:00 PM
It's his fucking fault we are in this mess. He should have to come and play on this shit team as payback for Casselvaniabitchfacescaryfuckheadpantsshitter

bevischief
10-04-2012, 04:17 PM
Guess what it shows. This is breaking news... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simply Red
10-04-2012, 05:06 PM
Pollard has won division titles, playoff games, etc since leaving KC.

and he's only 27 with a 3 year extension with the Ravens. So a 3 year window before he's 30 to win a Super Bowl.

He will get there before Tamba, Charles, Flowers, DJ etc ever even sniff another winning season as Chiefs. If ever in the prime of their careers.

So yes, I'd say Pollard is in a very significant position to make his opinion and it has a lot of value to describe how this franchise is currently being run and how others think of it around the league.

This mcaj22 guy has really blossomed nicely. I really like your opinions and additionally, I think you're a great poster. Nice to see, these days.

Mr. Laz
10-04-2012, 07:11 PM
Pollard has an ax to grind

players not wanting to win hurts their career money after they leave the Chiefs


Crennel might not have the motivated but i seriously doubt they don't want to win

-King-
10-04-2012, 07:40 PM
Pollard has won division titles, playoff games, etc since leaving KC.

and he's only 27 with a 3 year extension with the Ravens. So a 3 year window before he's 30 to win a Super Bowl.

He will get there before Tamba, Charles, Flowers, DJ etc ever even sniff another winning season as Chiefs. If ever in the prime of their careers.

So yes, I'd say Pollard is in a very significant position to make his opinion and it has a lot of value to describe how this franchise is currently being run and how others think of it around the league.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 07:47 PM
what are you laughing about

as bad as Pollard might have been, because I guess we were desperate for an all star safety at the time, think about this. Pioli and the new regime came in and cut Pollard, did not trade him for any value, flat out cut him....

in return since 2009 here is what Pioli has given us at safety in 4 years.....


Mike Brown
Dajuan Morgan
Ricky Price
Jon McGraw
Reshard Langford
Sabby Piscitelli
Kendrick Lewis
Eric Berry
Donald Washington
Kyle McCarthy
Travis Daniels
Abram Elam


besides Eric Berry and even he is inconsistent, Bernard Pollard is 10x better than that entire list. And it's not even ****ing CLOSE.

That's Scott Pioli. 4 years, garbage talent.

smittysbar
10-04-2012, 07:50 PM
what are you laughing about

as bad as Pollard might have been, because I guess we were desperate for an all star safety at the time, think about this. Pioli and the new regime came in and cut Pollard, did not trade him for any value, flat out cut him....

in return since 2009 here is what Pioli has given us at safety in 4 years.....


Mike Brown
Dajuan Morgan
Ricky Price
Jon McGraw
Reshard Langford
Sabby Piscitelli
Kendrick Lewis
Eric Berry
Donald Washington
Kyle McCarthy
Travis Daniels
Abram Elam


besides Eric Berry and even he is inconsistent, Bernard Pollard is 10x better than that entire list. And it's not even ****ing CLOSE.

That's Scott Pioli. 4 years, garbage talent.

Good post, and I totally agree.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 07:53 PM
so Pollard's opinion is valid. You want to cut an average player like Pollard that's fine, but you damn well better live up to your reputation as this talented evaluator genius GM and replace Pollard with someone better.

Which in 4 years Pioli has failed to do, and our safety position is worse than ever. That's what Pollard is right about. Pioli doesnt care, doesnt want to win, doesnt want to field actual NFL talent.

Pollard isnt good. But he is certainly an NFL talent.

-King-
10-04-2012, 07:55 PM
what are you laughing about

as bad as Pollard might have been, because I guess we were desperate for an all star safety at the time, think about this. Pioli and the new regime came in and cut Pollard, did not trade him for any value, flat out cut him....

in return since 2009 here is what Pioli has given us at safety in 4 years.....


Mike Brown
Dajuan Morgan
Ricky Price
Jon McGraw
Reshard Langford
Sabby Piscitelli
Kendrick Lewis
Eric Berry
Donald Washington
Kyle McCarthy
Travis Daniels
Abram Elam


besides Eric Berry and even he is inconsistent, Bernard Pollard is 10x better than that entire list. And it's not even ****ing CLOSE.

That's Scott Pioli. 4 years, garbage talent.

He wasn't better than McGraw. And posting that list is pointless. You could do that with literally any team. Name a team with great safety depth.

-King-
10-04-2012, 07:55 PM
so Pollard's opinion is valid. You want to cut an average player like Pollard that's fine, but you damn well better live up to your reputation as this talented evaluator genius GM and replace Pollard with someone better.

Which in 4 years Pioli has failed to do, and our safety position is worse than ever. That's what Pollard is right about. Pioli doesnt care, doesnt want to win, doesnt want to field actual NFL talent.

Pollard isnt good. But he is certainly an NFL talent.
Berry and Lewis aren't better than Pollard?


Ok...

notorious
10-04-2012, 07:56 PM
Every single place you look with this franchise you see shit.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 07:56 PM
so Pollard's opinion is valid. You want to cut an average player like Pollard that's fine, but you damn well better live up to your reputation as this talented evaluator genius GM and replace Pollard with someone better.


No, Pollard is the perfect example of a role player you keep on your team and eventually draft him to the bench.

He's a player with limitations and strengths and you roll with that until the better guy pushes him down the depth chart.

That said, you KEEP HIM as solid depth...

-King-
10-04-2012, 07:58 PM
No, Pollard is the perfect example of a role player you keep on your team and eventually draft him to the bench.

He's a player with limitations and strengths and you roll with that until the better guy pushes him down the depth chart.

That said, you KEEP HIM as solid depth...

What the hell were his strengths?

Everybody fucking celebrated when he was cut. But now you wish Pioli would have kept him longer? LMAO

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 07:59 PM
He wasn't better than McGraw. And posting that list is pointless. You could do that with literally any team. Name a team with great safety depth.

uhhhhhhhh

most good teams already have good safety play. we dont. that's the point. 4 years of trotting out a bunch of awful garbage at safety. Mike ****ing Brown, McGraw, Sabby, Travis Daniels, Abe Elam, injury prone Kendrick Lewis, etc

all awful

smittysbar
10-04-2012, 07:59 PM
What the hell were his strengths?

Everybody ****ing celebrated when he was cut. But now you wish Pioli would have kept him longer? LMAO

Pretty wide net you're casting........no not everybody

FAX
10-04-2012, 08:00 PM
... think about this. Pioli and the new regime came in and cut Pollard, did not trade him for any value, flat out cut him....

The other day, as I was thinking about some of the rather strange decisions that have been made over the past 3 or 4 years, it finally dawned on me that, when he arrived, Pioli must have believed that our entire roster was crap ... complete crap from top to bottom.

I don't think he took the time to evaluate anyone on the team ... and didn't care to.

FAX

-King-
10-04-2012, 08:01 PM
The other day, as I was thinking about some of the rather strange decisions that have been made over the past 3 or 4 years, it finally dawned on me that, when he arrived, Pioli must have believed that our entire roster was crap ... complete crap from top to bottom.

I don't think he took the time to evaluate anyone on the team ... and didn't care to.

FAX

Was it not? Other than a few players (who are still here)... this team was shit. We had one of the worst rosters in the league in 2008.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 08:02 PM
What the hell were his strengths?

Everybody ****ing celebrated when he was cut. But now you wish Pioli would have kept him longer? LMAO

Horrible in coverage but solid tackler. Great special teams player.

We say we have all these great special teams guys now but our Kr/Pr blocking and defense sucks. Bad. It's horrid.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 08:02 PM
and 4 years later it might be the worst roster in the NFL in 2012. Maybe the Browns are worse. that's it.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 08:02 PM
The other day, as I was thinking about some of the rather strange decisions that have been made over the past 3 or 4 years, it finally dawned on me that, when he arrived, Pioli must have believed that our entire roster was crap ... complete crap from top to bottom.

I don't think he took the time to evaluate anyone on the team ... and didn't care to.

FAX

This...

-King-
10-04-2012, 08:03 PM
2008 Starters. Which of these guys were let go that didn't deserve it? This roster was complete shit.

QB Tyler Thigpen
RB Larry Johnson
WR Dwayne Bowe
WR Devard Darling
TE Brad Cottam
TE Tony Gonzalez*+
LT Branden Albert
LG Brian Waters*
C Rudy Niswanger
RG Adrian Jones
RT Damion McIntosh



LDE Turk McBride
LDT Tank Tyler
RDT Glenn Dorsey
LDE Tamba Hali
LLB Demorrio Williams
MLB Pat Thomas
RLB Derrick O. Johnson
LCB Brandon Carr
RCB Brandon Flowers
SS Bernard Pollard
FS Jarrad Page

notorious
10-04-2012, 08:04 PM
Our team was dogshit when Pioli got here.



Not much has changed.

notorious
10-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Pat Williams. :facepalm:

Rausch
10-04-2012, 08:05 PM
and 4 years later it might be the worst roster in the NFL in 2012. Maybe the Browns are worse. that's it.

The roster has enough talent to be very competitive.

In fact I'd argue with any top 10 QB we'd win this division.

Easily.

Our GM has drafted good players (not great) over the years and we have good talent. Talent that should land us between 8-8 and 10-6.

Unfortunately the GM also insists on keeping a total $#itbag at QB, HC, and the owner isn't willing to put his foot down...

-King-
10-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Horrible in coverage but solid tackler. Great special teams player.

We say we have all these great special teams guys now but our Kr/Pr blocking and defense sucks. Bad. It's horrid.
LMAOLMAO No he's not. Did you miss all the times Clay gif'd him up? He whiffed more than any other player on the team.

And we're 6th in kick off returns and 5th in punt returns.

notorious
10-04-2012, 08:08 PM
Pollard was a horrid tackler. He went for the knockout punch whenever he lucked himself into position to make a tackle.

-King-
10-04-2012, 08:08 PM
The gifs don't lie. I said I would gif Pollard up, and now his day of reckoning has arrived.

http://i32.tinypic.com/24pvqx5.gif

http://i25.tinypic.com/27xf7mg.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/34gt0sm.gif

http://i26.tinypic.com/6yjynp.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/4ucllh.gif

.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 08:08 PM
The roster has enough talent to be very competitive.

In fact I'd argue with any top 10 QB we'd win this division.

Easily.

Our GM has drafted good players (not great) over the years and we have good talent. Talent that should land us between 8-8 and 10-6.

Unfortunately the GM also insists on keeping a total $#itbag at QB, HC, and the owner isn't willing to put his foot down...

there is like 5 good players on the whole team

every other player is based on hype, potential, being a training camp warrior, buying into the pioli propaganda that the player is automatically this great player without even generating any legit NFL production in a real fucking game.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 08:09 PM
and 4 years later it might be the worst roster in the NFL in 2012. Maybe the Browns are worse. that's it.

:spock:

This is the dumbest post I've seen today.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 08:10 PM
i see some of you are still drinking the Pioli kool aid that there is talent on this team besides the 2008 draft class and a couple other guys

in due time when most of these guys dont pan out to be anything more than average, you will wake up

Rausch
10-04-2012, 08:10 PM
there is like 5 good players on the whole team

every other player is based on hype, potential, being a training camp warrior, buying into the pioli propaganda that the player is automatically this great player without even generating any legit NFL production in a real ****ing game.

Name the 5...

FAX
10-04-2012, 08:12 PM
Was it not? Other than a few players (who are still here)... this team was shit. We had one of the worst rosters in the league in 2008.

Hmmm ... not necessarily. What we had were some bad players and some good players and some excellent players ... all of whom were soft and out-of-shape.

FAX

2bikemike
10-04-2012, 08:13 PM
http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6063673


All you can do is laugh at this point. "The chiefs don't make the moves necessary to improve the team, chiefs wont spend the $ to get great players"

Didn't read through any responses and it might have already been said, but if it has I will repeat it.

This is why I think shit canning Pioli or RAC wouldn't solve anything. There is one common denominator of this team that hasn't really changed in all the years of coaching changes and management changes. And that is the Hunt family.

When you leave the kind of dough on the table that the Chiefs have over the past years its pretty clear they aren't interested in becoming championship caliber.

Of course that doesn't explain away the horrible choices management has made in the money they have spent.

DeezNutz
10-04-2012, 08:13 PM
All of the foundational pieces on the team were in place before Pioli took the job. How many times does this fact need to be reiterated?

-King-
10-04-2012, 08:14 PM
Hmmm ... not necessarily. What we had were some bad players and some good players and some excellent players ... all of whom were soft and out-of-shape.

FAX
See that roster I posted. Which player on that roster would you like to have that's not here anymore?

That's just an embarrassing roster. There's at least 10 players on there that aren't even in the league anymore.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 08:16 PM
i see some of you are still drinking the Pioli kool aid that there is talent on this team besides the 2008 draft class and a couple other guys

in due time when most of these guys dont pan out to be anything more than average, you will wake up

I see you're still a fucking moron.

It has nothing to do with your stupid Pioli Kool-aid shit.

With a good QB, this is a very different team.

FAX
10-04-2012, 08:17 PM
there is like 5 good players on the whole team

every other player is based on hype, potential, being a training camp warrior, buying into the pioli propaganda that the player is automatically this great player without even generating any legit NFL production in a real ****ing game.

Hmmm ... I think you may be getting a little carried away there, Mr. mcaj22.

In many respects, this is a very different team than the one Pioli inherited. We have some damn fine players that any franchise in the league would move into their starting line-up.

What we have is a very poorly coached team at this point.

FAX

FAX
10-04-2012, 08:19 PM
See that roster I posted. Which player on that roster would you like to have that's not here anymore?

That's just an embarrassing roster. There's at least 10 players on there that aren't even in the league anymore.

It appears that you're confusing my posts with somebody else's.

FAX

DeezNutz
10-04-2012, 08:20 PM
What we have is a very poorly coached team at this point.

FAX

We have a shallow roster, led by an individual, Cassel, who inspires no respect from his teammates and thus cannot lead.

Additionally, the HC was put in a position to fail by being allowed to assume DC responsibilities, too.

In short, Pioli couldn't be a worse GM.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 08:20 PM
Hmmm ... I think you may be getting a little carried away there, Mr. mcaj22.

In many respects, this is a very different team than the one Pioli inherited. We have some damn fine players that any franchise in the league would move into their starting line-up.

What we have is a very poorly coached team at this point.

FAX

I concur.

-King-
10-04-2012, 08:22 PM
What we have is a very poorly coached team at this point.

FAX

Yep. VERY poorly coached team. I wish we had gotten one of the Harbaugh brothers. We'd be contenders right now. Instead we got a meth head and a doofus.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Hmmm ... I think you may be getting a little carried away there, Mr. mcaj22.

In many respects, this is a very different team than the one Pioli inherited. We have some damn fine players that any franchise in the league would move into their starting line-up.

What we have is a very poorly coached team at this point.

FAX

but like someone just said, all the foundational pieces were here before Pioli took the job. And those pieces are in the PRIME of their careers and all Pioli is doing is wasting that talent away.

-King-
10-04-2012, 08:23 PM
i see some of you are still drinking the Pioli kool aid that there is talent on this team besides the 2008 draft class and a couple other guys

in due time when most of these guys dont pan out to be anything more than average, you will wake up

Which of our starters wouldn't be starting for other teams?

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 08:23 PM
I see you're still a ****ing moron.

It has nothing to do with your stupid Pioli Kool-aid shit.

With a good QB, this is a very different team.

the roster is shallow and weak. Dave you can call me any mean name in the book you want but I shall agree to disagree with you and still love you at the end of the day sir.

mcaj22
10-04-2012, 08:25 PM
Which of our starters wouldn't be starting for other teams?

define "other teams"

playoff teams? not many of players would be upgrades to most playoff teams. maybe 7 or 8 guys at most pending the team

every team would take Bowe. Some would take Hali, Charles, DJ. Most would take Flowers. Some would take Berry. And some would take Albert.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 08:26 PM
Hmmm ... I think you may be getting a little carried away there, Mr. mcaj22.

In many respects, this is a very different team than the one Pioli inherited. We have some damn fine players that any franchise in the league would move into their starting line-up.

I think we picked like we had Brady.

We don't.

Hudson will end up a great C. Big John will be an awesome G. I have no doubt in that. I love these picks.

But our 1st round picks were wasted. We spent QB-level picks on disposable positions (DE.)

FAX
10-04-2012, 08:27 PM
We have a shallow roster, led by an individual, Cassel, who inspires no respect from his teammates and thus cannot lead.

Additionally, the HC was put in a position to fail by being allowed to assume DC responsibilities, too.

In short, Pioli couldn't be a worse GM.

I won't argue the fact that Cassel has a negative effect on the overall team. He has a negative effect on the weather and the world banking system. And there probably hasn't been a more meddling GM in the league since Darth Liberace The Elder.

But, the way my pitiable brainpan attempts to function, I include starting-line-up under the header "Coaching Decisions". The unusual situation we find ourselves in with respect to Cassel, notwithstanding.

FAX

FAX
10-04-2012, 08:28 PM
but like someone just said, all the foundational pieces were here before Pioli took the job. And those pieces are in the PRIME of their careers and all Pioli is doing is wasting that talent away.

I can't disagree with those two sentence things.

FAX

DeezNutz
10-04-2012, 08:29 PM
Which of our starters wouldn't be starting for other teams?

Best player Pioli has acquired? Berry? Anyone else?

Jackson is shit. Has been since the selection. Baldwin doesn't even sniff year-two Bowe...and the list can go on.

Face facts; Pioli is a disaster.

Count Zarth
10-04-2012, 08:30 PM
Houston is a better player than Berry at this point.

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 08:32 PM
the roster is shallow and weak. Dave you can call me any mean name in the book you want but I shall agree to disagree with you and still love you at the end of the day sir.

Stop with the Pioli Kool-aid and Homer shit.

This roster is much better than you think.

Sure, the depth is weak, but there are some very solid players here.

Like I said, a good QB will make this team so much better.

I dislike Scott as much as anyone here.

DeezNutz
10-04-2012, 08:32 PM
I won't argue the fact that Cassel has a negative effect on the overall team. He has a negative effect on the weather and the world banking system. And there probably hasn't been a more meddling GM in the league since Darth Liberace The Elder.

But, the way my pitiable brainpan attempts to function, I include starting-line-up under the header "Coaching Decisions". The unusual situation we find ourselves in with respect to Cassel, notwithstanding.

FAX

The team is ill-prepared because the HC is taking on too much responsibility. Good thing we haven't seen that problem before. No way that Egoli could have prevented it.

As for starting lineup, who is not playing that should be?

BigMeatballDave
10-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Best player Pioli has acquired? Berry? Anyone else?

Jackson is shit. Has been since the selection. Baldwin doesn't even sniff year-two Bowe...and the list can go on.

Face facts; Pioli is a disaster.

Berry?

I think Berry is being used wrong.

Seems like he was used differently than 2 yrs ago.

Plus, he's not likely 100%

I just think the coaching is shit.

Look what Harbaugh's staff did for the 49ers in one season.

Edit: I misread that post, initially.

jspchief
10-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Who gives a shit if he has an axe to grind?

He's right. That's all that matters here.

Yep.

The talent of Pollard and Battle is irrelevant. Their motivation might be relevant. But at the end of the day what these guys are saying is easy to believe.

This team has been mired in mediocrity for the better part of 4 decades. I don't find it hard to believe that there is an institutional shortcoming that has passed from father to son. Maybe their intent is winning, but the execution is missing.

Rausch
10-04-2012, 08:55 PM
Houston is a better player than Berry at this point.

A healthy Lewis is as well.

Berry is clearly hurt. He's either not back (and never will be) or he's playing through an injury he shouldn't be.

FAX
10-04-2012, 09:18 PM
The team is ill-prepared because the HC is taking on too much responsibility. Good thing we haven't seen that problem before. No way that Egoli could have prevented it.

As for starting lineup, who is not playing that should be?

That's a good question.

Since I have no way of evaluating the players in practice from this location, I can offer no particular answer. The cute response might be Carr, but that's just silly.

It does raise the issue, though, that since we're willing to give Cassel more money than some Eastern European countries' gross national product and trot his ass out as a starter year after year when all evidence points to the fact that he should be placing stamps on shipping boxes, how can I trust the coaching staff's judgment in other areas?

There seems to be a general lack of accountability that permeates the franchise from top to bottom.

FAX

Oh Snap
10-04-2012, 09:32 PM
What happened to Jarrad Page? I thought he was a decent SS for us a few years back. Pollard wasn't too bad either. He was a liability in coverage.

Sorter
10-04-2012, 10:22 PM
Berry?

I think Berry is being used wrong.

Seems like he was used differently than 2 yrs ago.



He is being used wrong, as far as my football philosophies go.

However, he's being used in the same manner as he was when Romeo got here. In fact, Romeo in all likelihood was a major reason in Pioli drafting Eric.

BossChief
10-04-2012, 10:25 PM
What happened to Jarrad Page? I thought he was a decent SS for us a few years back. Pollard wasn't too bad either. He was a liability in coverage.

Page was always a FS and decided to go back to baseball.

Overrated.

Saccopoo
10-04-2012, 11:27 PM
I think we picked like we had Brady.

We don't.

Hudson will end up a great C. Big John will be an awesome G. I have no doubt in that. I love these picks.

But our 1st round picks were wasted. We spent QB-level picks on disposable positions (DE.)

Exactly.

QB, Rush End, Offensive Tackle.

Those are the gold standard, top five picks for any team on any level.

Total, unequivical fail on Pioli.

Fucking moron.

Saccopoo
10-04-2012, 11:31 PM
Best player Pioli has acquired? Berry? Anyone else?

Not even close.

The best player Pioli has drafted is the seventh round kicker.

And it's not even debatable.

No one else in the past four drafts has matched Succop's level of production.

And how's that for the shit?

A seventh round kicker as your legacy.

Fuck Pioli.

NJChiefsFan
10-04-2012, 11:39 PM
Not even close.

The best player Pioli has drafted is the seventh round kicker.

And it's not even debatable.

No one else in the past four drafts has matched Succop's level of production.

And how's that for the shit?

A seventh round kicker as your legacy.

**** Pioli.

Best Mr. Irrelevant ever.

DaneMcCloud
10-05-2012, 12:00 AM
Best Mr. Irrelevant ever.

With Connor Barth on the roster.

GREAT decision.

Sorter
10-05-2012, 12:21 AM
With Connor Barth on the roster.

GREAT decision.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

Poor Scott.

New World Order
10-05-2012, 01:28 AM
The only legit players that moron has drafted or acquired have been Berry and Houston. Succop is a kicker so, meh.

mcaj22
10-05-2012, 04:42 AM
With Connor Barth on the roster.

GREAT decision.

lol, so depressing

DeezNutz
10-05-2012, 05:22 AM
There seems to be a general lack of accountability that permeates the franchise from top to bottom.


Agree, 100%.

bricks
10-05-2012, 06:07 AM
You know something? Pollard is right.

Have to agree with him there.

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 07:02 AM
Yep.

The talent of Pollard and Battle is irrelevant. Their motivation might be relevant. But at the end of the day what these guys are saying is easy to believe.

This team has been mired in mediocrity for the better part of 4 decades. I don't find it hard to believe that there is an institutional shortcoming that has passed from father to son. Maybe their intent is winning, but the execution is missing.

:bravo:

htismaqe
10-05-2012, 07:03 AM
Yep. VERY poorly coached team. I wish we had gotten one of the Harbaugh brothers. We'd be contenders right now. Instead we got a meth head and a doofus.

Whoa...who's the meth head?