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patteeu
10-10-2012, 12:56 PM
Steve Wynn, Las Vegas casino mogul, continues, "I have no idea what goofy idea, what crazy anti-business program this administration will come up with.... And I have to tell you, John, that every businessman in the country is frightened of Barack Obama and the way he thinks.... I'll be damned if I'll have him lecture me."

Watch the entertaining 5 minute video (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/09/steve_wynn_on_obama_ill_be_damned_if_ill_have_him_lecture_me.html).

vailpass
10-10-2012, 02:26 PM
Nobody with any amount of business acumen or commercial success has anything but contempt for obama from a business perspective. Investors and job producers are in a hold-mode until obama goes away.
Worst president in history.

mlyonsd
10-10-2012, 02:37 PM
Not the guy you want in charge after a major recession.

You can start writing the history books on that one.

suzzer99
10-10-2012, 03:19 PM
Stock market up 100% since Obama took office. Business profits at record highs. OMG The Horror. The Horror.

Would this be the same Steve Wynn who tried to blame uncertainty for choosing to invest in Macau over Las Vegas - instead of overbuilt hotels and weak consumer demand? Nah couldn't be that - gotta be Obama's fault. Certainly a guy like Steve Wynn could never be expected to have the balls to launch a potentially profitable venture in the face of all that UNCERTAINTY. Guys like him don't get where they are by taking chances.

In other butthurt rich guy news: CEO to Workers: You'll Likely Be Fired If Obama Is Re-elected (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49356069)

David Siegel, the owner of Westgate Resorts, sent a surprising email to his employees Monday.

It said that if President Barack Obama wins re-election and raises Siegel's taxes, he will have to lay off workers and downsize his company — or even shut it down.

"If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company," he wrote. "Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone."

In a version of Romney's "47 percent" remarks, Siegel added that "people like me who made all the right decisions and invested in themselves are being forced to bail out all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed 42 years of my life for."

...

David Siegel is the man who, together with his wife, Jackie, built the largest new house in America, known as "Versailles." His story first appeared in my book, "The High-Beta Rich." It then made it to the big screen with the documentary film "The Queen of Versailles."

They became symbols of outsized spending, debt and real estate in America.

But when the company started buckling under $1 billion in debt during the crisis, the Siegels' home went into foreclosure and was put up for sale. They cut back on the jet, took the kids out of private school and gave up some of their staff.

...

Siegel said he's not acting out of self interest, but for the interest of his workers. While Westgate has never been more profitable, the company has 5,000 fewer workers than in 2007.

So he's just going to take a viable company that's never been more profitable, and scale it back. Because he obviously hates money. Soooo many other things wrong with this. Like if Mitt goes through with his debate promises - won't this guy's taxes go up a ton anyway? Also nice sweetheart deal he got on his ridiculous loans, unlike those that made all the wrong decisions and now want to mooch off him.

In before - "why do you hate success?"

Oh yeah, also he plagiarized most of the letter: http://gawker.com/5950189/the-ceo-who-built-himself-americas-largest-house-just-threatened-to-fire-his-employees-if-obamas-elected

And David Frum runs down the laundry list of reasons why this guy is an idiot: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/10/why-is-this-persecuted-plutocrat-so-mad.html

Saul Good
10-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Economy's doing great, guys. You heard it from Suzzer first.

patteeu
10-10-2012, 04:29 PM
Would this be the same Steve Wynn who tried to blame uncertainty for choosing to invest in Macau over Las Vegas

Yeah, I think it is. In fact, he credits his successful investment in Macau with his ability to keep his Vegas employees working and getting cost of living increases in the video that you probably didn't watch.

Calcountry
10-10-2012, 05:07 PM
Nobody with any amount of business acumen or commercial success has anything but contempt for obama from a business perspective. Investors and job producers are in a hold-mode until obama goes away.
Worst president in history.I had a guy this week, with sincerity, tell me that Obama won't go away, win or lose.

RedNeckRaider
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
I had a guy this week, with sincerity, tell me that Obama won't go away, win or lose.

Oh trust me if by some slim chance he loses the left will turn on him in a heartbeat~

AustinChief
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
My favorite attack from the left.. "but companies are still making money" or "these guys are getting richer every day!"... ok.. fine... and you think that higher taxes will cause them to change their ways and hire more workers?

I'm not one of the guys who wants to see massive tax cuts... but to think RAISING the cost of doing business (as Obama is for with Obamacare and his punitive regulatory policies) is going to HELP things is the height of idiocy. Companies are remaining stagnant not because of high taxes.. it's out of FEAR of higher taxes and more regulation etc etc...

Electing Romney alleviates that immediately. Electing Obama means we undergo another "wait and see" period while Obamacare kicks in and business stays fearful of the next boot dropping regarding regulations. In the end, business WILL pick up again regardless of who is elected. The difference is WHEN. Obama's policies(or fear of them, even if it is completely irrational and imaginary) will continue to slow our growth for at least the next year or two if he is elected.

KC native
10-10-2012, 05:40 PM
Yeah, I think it is. In fact, he credits his successful investment in Macau with his ability to keep his Vegas employees working and getting cost of living increases in the video that you probably didn't watch.

Not going to watch it but I bet he doesn't mention the millions in bribes he has paid for his Macau that was financed by his American workers.

KC native
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
My favorite attack from the left.. "but companies are still making money" or "these guys are getting richer every day!"... ok.. fine... and you think that higher taxes will cause them to change their ways and hire more workers?

I'm not one of the guys who wants to see massive tax cuts... but to think RAISING the cost of doing business (as Obama is for with Obamacare and his punitive regulatory policies) is going to HELP things is the height of idiocy. Companies are remaining stagnant not because of high taxes.. it's out of FEAR of higher taxes and more regulation etc etc...

Electing Romney alleviates that immediately. Electing Obama means we undergo another "wait and see" period while Obamacare kicks in and business stays fearful of the next boot dropping regarding regulations. In the end, business WILL pick up again regardless of who is elected. The difference is WHEN. Obama's policies(or fear of them, even if it is completely irrational and imaginary) will continue to slow our growth for at least the next year or two if he is elected.

Hooray more specious uncertainty nonsense.

AustinChief
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
Hooray more specious uncertainty nonsense.

Specious uncertainty nonsense that only YOU seem to think is such. Business leaders across America disagree, economists disagree... yet the almighty mind of KCNative has it all figured out. What a fucking joke.

Calcountry
10-10-2012, 05:47 PM
My favorite attack from the left.. "but companies are still making money" or "these guys are getting richer every day!"... ok.. fine... and you think that higher taxes will cause them to change their ways and hire more workers?

I'm not one of the guys who wants to see massive tax cuts... but to think RAISING the cost of doing business (as Obama is for with Obamacare and his punitive regulatory policies) is going to HELP things is the height of idiocy. Companies are remaining stagnant not because of high taxes.. it's out of FEAR of higher taxes and more regulation etc etc...

Electing Romney alleviates that immediately. Electing Obama means we undergo another "wait and see" period while Obamacare kicks in and business stays fearful of the next boot dropping regarding regulations. In the end, business WILL pick up again regardless of who is elected. The difference is WHEN. Obama's policies(or fear of them, even if it is completely irrational and imaginary) will continue to slow our growth for at least the next year or two if he is elected.I had a guy, yesterday, who already knows my leanings, who fashions himself an intellectual, purport that those evil gas companies are getting rich, when the subject of the high gas prices came up.

I replied, as nicely as I can because he is a customer you see, If you were the owner of the inventory in the ground of one of those gas stations, and you got told, we don't know when we will be able to get another shipment, what would you do?

I also asked him, you do realize, that the oil companies sell less gas when it is 5 bucks a gallon? He agreed, people conserve, car pool, combine trips, less joy riding etc.

I said, they make less money if they sell less units? Novel concept, supply and demand. We agreed in parting, that the real solution, if for there to be more competition on the supply side. Well, there you go again/ reagan off. To bad the government is stopping any new oil drilling, oil pipelines, and new refineries to come on stream to help alleviate these supply disruptions on the supply side.

I didn't even go into all the intensive capital investment necessary, YEARS before it turns a profit.



Oh, and btw, I heard that Chevron missed their earnings marks with a down quarter. Serves them bitches right, eh?

KC native
10-10-2012, 05:47 PM
Specious uncertainty nonsense that only YOU seem to think is such. Business leaders across America disagree, economists disagree... yet the almighty mind of KCNative has it all figured out. What a fucking joke.

Oh is this where you cite papers that you don't understand and claim that a couple people is now a consensus because you agree with the specious idea?

AustinChief
10-10-2012, 05:53 PM
Oh is this where you cite papers that you don't understand and claim that a couple people is now a consensus because you agree with the specious idea?

papers that I don't understand? rich! Coming from a guy whose basic grasp of english is tenuous at best. The fact is, you've been exposed for the moron you are. No one takes you seriously (if they ever did), your opinions are nothing more than petulant rantings from a delusional idiot.

You add absolutely nothing of value to any conversation and I think even your fellow left leaners know that by now.

RedNeckRaider
10-10-2012, 05:54 PM
Oh is this where you cite papers that you don't understand and claim that a couple people is now a consensus because you agree with the specious idea?

There should be carnival music that automatically plays on all of your posts...you fucking clown~

Calcountry
10-10-2012, 06:07 PM
papers that I don't understand? rich! Coming from a guy whose basic grasp of english is tenuous at best. The fact is, you've been exposed for the moron you are. No one takes you seriously (if they ever did), your opinions are nothing more than petulant rantings from a delusional idiot.

You add absolutely nothing of value to any conversation and I think even your fellow left leaners know that by now.Wow. :eek::whip:

AustinChief
10-10-2012, 06:08 PM
There should be carnival music that automatically plays on all of your posts...you fucking clown~

Holy crap.. that's awesome.. I bet I could write a hack that would do that...

<iframe width="210" height="158" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zjedLeVGcfE?start=09" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Calcountry
10-10-2012, 06:09 PM
Holy crap.. that's awesome.. I bet I could write a hack that would do that...

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zjedLeVGcfE" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="158" width="210"></iframe>LMAO DO IT!!

Saul Good
10-10-2012, 06:18 PM
Hooray more specious uncertainty nonsense.

If an Obama presidency is so great for corporate success, why do you think Mr. Wynn is so anti Obama?

ClevelandBronco
10-10-2012, 06:19 PM
...No one takes you seriously (if they ever did)...

We didn't.

HonestChieffan
10-10-2012, 06:23 PM
Lest we forget, Steve was an Obama guy a few years back. Those who attack him generally have never owned a business, made a payroll, or put skin in the game. Suzzer, KCNitwit and their ilk know zero about owning, operating, and planning business investment. That shows how foolish they are through their comments

cosmo20002
10-10-2012, 06:26 PM
If an Obama presidency is so great for corporate success, why do you think Mr. Wynn is so anti Obama?

If an Obama presidency is so bad for corporate success, why do you think Warren Buffett is pro-Obama?

Calcountry
10-10-2012, 06:43 PM
If an Obama presidency is so bad for corporate success, why do you think Warren Buffett is pro-Obama?Why is George Soros so pro Obama?

Calcountry
10-10-2012, 06:44 PM
Hey cosmo, win or lose, Obama is a failure. Corrupt to the core, does not have this country's best interests at heart. The only question is whether or not enough folks that he fooled last time, wake up before it is too late. It may already be too late, he has done that much damage.

KC native
10-10-2012, 06:59 PM
If an Obama presidency is so great for corporate success, why do you think Mr. Wynn is so anti Obama?

Perhaps he's worried about Obama's justice department and the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act? :shrug:

KC native
10-10-2012, 07:02 PM
papers that I don't understand? rich! Coming from a guy whose basic grasp of english is tenuous at best. The fact is, you've been exposed for the moron you are. No one takes you seriously (if they ever did), your opinions are nothing more than petulant rantings from a delusional idiot.

You add absolutely nothing of value to any conversation and I think even your fellow left leaners know that by now.

I gave you more than enough to respond wrt why your evidence didn't prove what you said it did. You have completely avoided it. It's not my fault that you have the worst case of confirmation bias that I've ever seen. Please get all huffy now and USE SOME CAPS to illustrate that you are nothing more than a dumbass who tries to SHOUT (rawr Austin caps STYLE) down arguments rather than engage them.

Saul Good
10-10-2012, 07:08 PM
Been busy lately and I'm incredibly annoyed by most of the idiotic posting out here these days but I found a few articles that I wanted to post but haven't had a chance.

First up,
http://www.slate.com/id/2267681/
Taxing My Patience
Five points to keep in mind as Congress debates the Bush tax cuts.
By Daniel Gross


Here are five things you need to know about the debate over extending the temporary tax cuts Congress passed almost a decade ago. (For those of you who haven't been paying attention in class, these are known as "the Bush tax cuts" because they were passed at the former president's urging, and if Congress does nothing, they will expire at the end of the year.)

1) All the representatives and senators who voted for the tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 also voted for their expiration. That's how they were designed.

2) The tax cuts could have been made permanent or extended at some point before now. Alternatively, the folks who ran fiscal policy from 2001 through 2008—the Republican White House and a Congress that was controlled for most of that period by Republicans—could have created the conditions that would have made it possible to extend the tax cuts or make them permanent. But they didn't. Instead of running balanced budgets, they appropriated hundreds of billions of dollars to fight two wars, created an expensive, open-ended entitlement without a funding mechanism (Medicare prescription drug coverage), and increased discretionary spending. Oh, and their failures of oversight, regulation, and management led to expensive, deficit-enhancing bailouts.

3) Many Republicans and some Democrats have spent much of the last year warning (falsely, it turns out) that the large deficits we face this year and in coming years would cause inflation, result in high interest rates, and turn us into indentured servants to China. Now, the same folks are arguing for … even-larger short-term deficits that somehow won't have all those ill effects. President Obama's proposal to extend the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 per year will add $3.2 trillion to the debt. But as the Congressional Budget Office noted, extending them all will add $3.9 trillion in debt. Now, advocating tax cuts without specifying spending cuts (and, no, John Boehner, saying you want to roll back spending to 2008 levels doesn't count) means you're advocating a huge increase in new debt creation. It's sad to say, but it's nearly impossible to find a Democrat or Republican who can speak seriously about how we can align revenues with expenditures. (And, no, Rep. Paul Ryan, your much-discussed "road map" doesn't count, since it cuts taxes on the rich but doesn't lower deficits over the long term.)

4) The bold and confident assertions made about the links between tax rates and economic growth, market performance, and prosperity are almost certainly wrong. Turn on CNBC or look at the Wall Street Journal op-ed page these days, and you'll learn that we must keep tax rates on capital gains, dividends, and income precisely where they are because shifting them to different levels will retard economic growth. Keep this in mind: The people who designed the current, unsustainable tax system promised us that lower marginal rates, and lower taxes on capital and dividends, would boost the economy, promote investment, create jobs, spur market performance, and raise everybody's income. They were wrong. (It's no coincidence that these same people also warned us that raising taxes in 1993 would kill market returns and the economy. They were wrong then, too. They're pretty much always wrong.) As I've pointed out, the years under the current tax regime have been a lost decade. Pick your metric—median income, employment, stock market returns, economic growth—the low-tax '00s sucked. Yet proponents of keeping the tax cuts persist in making the argument: To avoid a repeat of the past decade, we must have the exact same tax policies as we did for the past decade.

5) Stopping all the tax cuts from expiring requires the passage of legislation. But the people who most want all the tax cuts extended—i.e., Republicans—don't have the ability to enact legislation. They don't control a majority in either legislative body, and for the past two years they've proved successful only at stopping or delaying legislation.

The upshot is this: If you're in the $250,000-per-year-and-up camp, even if you don't think you're rich, I'd start planning to pay higher taxes next year. But I wouldn't discount the scenario of all the tax cuts expiring. Look at what happened with the estate tax, another sop to the rich. In a bizarre turn of events, it was designed to decline throughout the decade, disappear entirely in 2010, and then return at a much higher level in 2011. Rather than compromise with Democrats on a permanent reduction that would leave lots of people better off but still require the richest of the rich to payer higher taxes, Republicans held out for a maximalist, all-or-nothing approach. They ended up with nothing. History may not repeat, but it sometimes rhymes.



I gave you more than enough to respond wrt why your evidence didn't prove what you said it did. You have completely avoided it. It's not my fault that you have the worst case of confirmation bias that I've ever seen. Please get all huffy now and USE SOME CAPS to illustrate that you are nothing more than a dumbass who tries to SHOUT (rawr Austin caps STYLE) down arguments rather than engage them.

Heh

KC native
10-10-2012, 07:12 PM
Heh

And you think this proves what? :spock:

Saul Good
10-10-2012, 07:15 PM
And you think this proves what? :spock:

I just think its funny that you rip Austin for using all caps when you're Mr. bold the text and blow up the text size.

KC native
10-10-2012, 07:32 PM
I just think its funny that you rip Austin for using all caps when you're Mr. bold the text and blow up the text size.

You are incredibly lame.

KChiefer
10-10-2012, 07:36 PM
It's amazing how much fear the right carries with them. "America should be afraid of the terrorists, afraid of China, afraid of the President, afraid of the debt Bush helped create, afraid of universal healthcare, afraid of someone taking your gun, afraid of gays being married, afraid of God not getting his due, and afraid FOR the multimillionaire."

I thought the right adheres to the belief that, with hard work, you can prevail no matter what, just build it, there is no time to live in fear.

ClevelandBronco
10-10-2012, 07:45 PM
It's amazing how much fear the right carries with them. "America should be afraid of the terrorists, afraid of China, afraid of the President, afraid of the debt Bush helped create, afraid of universal healthcare, afraid of someone taking your gun, afraid of gays being married, afraid of God not getting his due, and afraid FOR the multimillionaire."

I thought the right adheres to the belief that, with hard work, you can prevail no matter what, just build it, there is no time to live in fear.

Illinois doing pretty well these days?

KChiefer
10-10-2012, 07:48 PM
Illinois doing pretty well these days?

If you're talking sports, no and no. I don't think Obama has much to do with the UofI though.

The drought sucks like in most of the midwest, but we haven't plunged into a thousand years of darkness yet.

La literatura
10-10-2012, 07:51 PM
It's amazing how much fear the right carries with them. "America should be afraid of the terrorists, afraid of China, afraid of the President, afraid of the debt Bush helped create, afraid of universal healthcare, afraid of someone taking your gun, afraid of gays being married, afraid of God not getting his due, and afraid FOR the multimillionaire."

I thought the right adheres to the belief that, with hard work, you can prevail no matter what, just build it, there is no time to live in fear.

The only thing we have to fear . . . is fear of tax rates for millionaires at pre-Bush cut levels.

"I'll be damned if I'll have him lecture me."

I'll be damned if I buy Steve Wynn's scare lecture. Wynn's fortune was built on the backs of people who can't do math. This bullshit seems to be his latest venture.

J Diddy
10-10-2012, 07:58 PM
It's amazing how much fear the right carries with them. "America should be afraid of the terrorists, afraid of China, afraid of the President, afraid of the debt Bush helped create, afraid of universal healthcare, afraid of someone taking your gun, afraid of gays being married, afraid of God not getting his due, and afraid FOR the multimillionaire."

I thought the right adheres to the belief that, with hard work, you can prevail no matter what, just build it, there is no time to live in fear.

The thing that they are afraid of is not having the opportunity to cash in off it.

ClevelandBronco
10-10-2012, 08:04 PM
If you're talking sports, no and no. I don't think Obama has much to do with the UofI though.

The drought sucks like in most of the midwest, but we haven't plunged into a thousand years of darkness yet.

I'm not.

KChiefer
10-10-2012, 08:07 PM
It's not about being able to sit at the high-rollers table anymore, you have to be able to place a bigger frivolous bet than the mogul next to you. "Wanna bet 10K?"

Bob Dole
10-10-2012, 08:09 PM
You are incredibly lame.

Bob Dole is offended by your insensitivity and the use of the word "lame".

Your words are hurtful, even when they are not bold and at 24pt.

ClevelandBronco
10-10-2012, 08:10 PM
It's not about being able to sit at the high-rollers table anymore, you have to be able to place a bigger frivolous bet than the mogul next to you. "Wanna bet 10K?"

Ladies and gentlemen, that's not what it's about. LMAO

But it is about this in the democrat paradise that is Illinois:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/illinois-democrats-face-b_n_1472403.html

ROYC75
10-10-2012, 09:43 PM
Nobody with any amount of business acumen or commercial success has anything but contempt for obama from a business perspective. Investors and job producers are in a hold-mode until obama goes away.
Worst president in history.

This! I was doing fairly well until the last 2 months, 50% drop in sales. My peak season is getting ready to start in 2 weeks at a 50% drop. Since it's a 50% gain, I'm back to even ? So much for being prosperous , maybe I can still qualify for the TARP ?

Can I get a Obot to help me with this since they are all doing OK ?

patteeu
10-10-2012, 10:00 PM
It's amazing how much fear the right carries with them. "America should be afraid of the terrorists, afraid of China, afraid of the President, afraid of the debt Bush helped create, afraid of universal healthcare, afraid of someone taking your gun, afraid of gays being married, afraid of God not getting his due, and afraid FOR the multimillionaire."

I thought the right adheres to the belief that, with hard work, you can prevail no matter what, just build it, there is no time to live in fear.

And you seem to be afraid of a straight-laced, teetotaler from Massachusetts.

KChiefer
10-10-2012, 10:08 PM
And you seem to be afraid of a straight-laced, teetotaler from Massachusetts.

It'll be the end of the world as we know it, and I'll feel fine.

Comrade Crapski
10-10-2012, 10:56 PM
There should be carnival music that automatically plays on all of your posts...you ****ing clown~

LMAO

I was thinking Mariachi band.

HonestChieffan
10-11-2012, 08:18 AM
There is the old Frito commercial music as well



Ayiee, yie-yie-yieeee,
I am dee Frito Bandito.
I love Frito's Corn Chips,
I love dem I do.
I love Frito's Corn Chips,
I take dem from you.


On a side note, the stuff they gave away like the pencil eraser is worth a bunch to collectors of advertising memorabila.

Chief Faithful
10-11-2012, 11:17 AM
afraid of the debt Bush helped create

:LOL:

So did every President since Martin Van Buren. But Obots have to blame Bush without ever mentioning the worst single offender in US history, their own guy.

Inspector
10-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Nobody with any amount of business acumen or commercial success has anything but contempt for obama from a business perspective. Investors and job producers are in a hold-mode until obama goes away.
Worst president in history.

I have 2 kids that own different businesses that employ a good amount of people who are in a holding pattern for hiring and expanding waiting to see the outcome of this election.

What you have written here could have been written by either one of them - it is almost word for word exactly the stuff they have told me. This president has been the worst disaster of a leader our country has even had - in their opinions. And yeah, even though I'm an old guy retired from a fortune 100 company, I agree with them.

La literatura
10-11-2012, 02:48 PM
I have 2 kids that own different businesses that employ a good amount of people who are in a holding pattern for hiring and expanding waiting to see the outcome of this election.

What you have written here could have been written by either one of them - it is almost word for word exactly the stuff they have told me. This president has been the worst disaster of a leader our country has even had - in their opinions. And yeah, even though I'm an old guy retired from a fortune 100 company, I agree with them.

They're probably more concerned about the tax cliff at the end of the year than they are about the election.

vailpass
10-11-2012, 02:49 PM
There should be carnival music that automatically plays on all of your posts...you ****ing clown~

LMAO Paper hat wearing "financial adviser"

vailpass
10-11-2012, 02:55 PM
I have 2 kids that own different businesses that employ a good amount of people who are in a holding pattern for hiring and expanding waiting to see the outcome of this election.

What you have written here could have been written by either one of them - it is almost word for word exactly the stuff they have told me. This president has been the worst disaster of a leader our country has even had - in their opinions. And yeah, even though I'm an old guy retired from a fortune 100 company, I agree with them.

Good on your kids for holding on and holding out. I interface with business owners on a personal and professional level every day and this is the truth that is out there.
obama must go for confidence to return to the investors and employers in this country, and to those who invest in this country from the outside.

vailpass
10-11-2012, 02:58 PM
They're probably more concerned about the tax cliff at the end of the year than they are about the election.

You earn near the poverty level, have never had a career, are still in school, don't have a pedigree.
Shut up.

La literatura
10-11-2012, 03:01 PM
You earn near the poverty level, have never had a career, are still in school, don't have a pedigree.
Shut up.

And yet I'm still smarter than you are. That sucks for you.

vailpass
10-11-2012, 03:07 PM
And yet I'm still smarter than you are. That sucks for you.

I'm in Palm Springs watching the rain clouds roll in over the mountains; golfed this morning now going to grab a nap before happy hour. Head out here and join me; you can pay for it with "I'm smarter than you".

It is amusing when you comment on issues with faux authority, armed only with what you read in a book.

La literatura
10-11-2012, 03:09 PM
I'm in Palm Springs watching the rain clouds roll in over the mountains; golfed this morning now going to grab a nap before happy hour. Head out here and join me; you can pay for it with "I'm smarter than you".

It is amusing when you comment on issues with faux authority, armed only with what you read in a book.

No, you're arguing with a kid on a football message board. Don't ever forget that.

vailpass
10-11-2012, 03:10 PM
No, you're arguing with a kid on a football message board. Don't ever forget that.

I don't think any credible observer would call this an argument. That would imply it was a two sided affair.

La literatura
10-11-2012, 03:12 PM
I don't think any credible observer would call this an argument. That would imply it was a two sided affair.

You're arguing with a kid on chiefsplanet. Despite your misty rain clouded mountains and your nap in the Palm Springs, your attention is on me. Keep it up, dumbass.

Direckshun
10-11-2012, 04:54 PM
Steve Wynn, Las Vegas casino mogul, continues, "I have no idea what goofy idea, what crazy anti-business program this administration will come up with.... And I have to tell you, John, that every businessman in the country is frightened of Barack Obama and the way he thinks.... I'll be damned if I'll have him lecture me."

Watch the entertaining 5 minute video (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/09/steve_wynn_on_obama_ill_be_damned_if_ill_have_him_lecture_me.html).

Welp. Okay.

Chief Faithful
10-11-2012, 04:58 PM
They're probably more concerned about the tax cliff at the end of the year than they are about the election.
:doh!:

If you were twice as smart you would still be stupid.

KChiefer
10-11-2012, 06:07 PM
:LOL:

So did every President since Martin Van Buren. But Rombots have to blame Obama without ever mentioning the worst single offender in US history, their own guy.

FYP.

But lemme guess Bush isn't your own guy. Not one mention at the RNC ROFL

Chief Faithful
10-12-2012, 12:58 PM
FYP.

But lemme guess Bush isn't your own guy. Not one mention at the RNC ROFL

I didn't like Bush and the out of control spending especially the last two years. That doesn't mean I close my eyes when the next guy comes along and spends at x12 the rate.

KChiefer
10-13-2012, 05:08 AM
It'll be the end of the world as we know it, and I'll feel fine.

Thanks for the neg rep on this post vailleygirlpass.

Your reply of "tool" is wrong though. That was an REM lyric.

Comrade Crapski
10-13-2012, 08:56 AM
And yet I'm still smarter than you are. That sucks for you.

Here, put this on your volt.

http://rlv.zcache.com/women_for_obama_proud_of_my_burka_bumper_stickers-p128143697901695078en7pq_210.jpg

J Diddy
10-13-2012, 10:34 AM
Thanks for the neg rep on this post vailleygirlpass.

Your reply of "tool" is wrong though. That was an REM lyric.

LMAO

qabbaan
10-13-2012, 10:47 AM
In the past few days there have been representatives on FBN from two major restaurant chains and a major fast food restaurant chain saying they definitely have expansion and hiring on hold until they find out if Obamacare is going to stick. And all of these companies already offered health insurance, they just can't afford to meet the sky high regulatory hurdles for dishwashers, cooks, and wait staff.

No competent business enterprise is going to expand without knowing what it's going to cost, that should just be common sense.

La literatura
10-13-2012, 12:06 PM
they just can't afford to meet the sky high regulatory hurdles for dishwashers, cooks, and wait staff.

Which particular regulations for these employees?

bandwagonjumper
10-13-2012, 01:44 PM
When the republicans win will there sweep away obamacare totally or will there keep some of them? I have no ideas about the details of obamacare. Political details bore me but I'm sure there are some aspect of it which the voters would love to keep.

patteeu
10-13-2012, 02:02 PM
When the republicans win will there sweep away obamacare totally or will there keep some of them? I have no ideas about the details of obamacare. Political details bore me but I'm sure there are some aspect of it which the voters would love to keep.

Romney will keep them.

La literatura
10-13-2012, 02:52 PM
When the republicans win will there sweep away obamacare totally or will there keep some of them? I have no ideas about the details of obamacare. Political details bore me but I'm sure there are some aspect of it which the voters would love to keep.

The major provisions of Obamacare are here to stay.

Chiefshrink
10-13-2012, 04:14 PM
Stock market up 100% since Obama took office.

Gas also up 100% and food up 35-50% since Barry. Stock market is artificially pumped up. And additional 22 million totaling 47 million on foodstamps since Barry. Home equity down how much ? And I haven't even talked about employment, underemployment and unemployment:doh!:

Your pumped up stock market doesn't put food on the table or put affordable gas in the tank.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining;)

HonestChieffan
10-13-2012, 04:46 PM
When the republicans win will there sweep away obamacare totally or will there keep some of them? I have no ideas about the details of obamacare. Political details bore me but I'm sure there are some aspect of it which the voters would love to keep.


Some should stay. And will. But the garbage will go away.

La literatura
10-13-2012, 05:14 PM
Some should stay. And will. But the garbage will go away.

Such as?

HonestChieffan
10-13-2012, 05:19 PM
Such as?

Do you think the republicans see no need for HC reform? An easy one is coverage for preexisting conditions.

La literatura
10-13-2012, 05:25 PM
Do you think the republicans see no need for HC reform? An easy one is coverage for preexisting conditions.

What garbage will go away?

patteeu
10-13-2012, 07:39 PM
What garbage will go away?

All of it will go away except for a few popular provisions like the ones I mentioned earlier.

Bill Parcells
10-13-2012, 08:18 PM
papers that I don't understand? rich! Coming from a guy whose basic grasp of english is tenuous at best. The fact is, you've been exposed for the moron you are. No one takes you seriously (if they ever did), your opinions are nothing more than petulant rantings from a delusional idiot.

You add absolutely nothing of value to any conversation and I think even your fellow left leaners know that by now.

WOW, only KC Idiot would piss off mild mannered Mr Chiefsplanet ROFL

donkhater
10-14-2012, 11:01 AM
Whoever is elected president, I believe they will preside over one of the worst financial collapses in history. The bubble is being re-inflated and extreme inflation is coming. Neither party has the brass tacks to do what it takes to prevent it.

Unfortunately, if Romney wins, this will happen under his watch, and the Dems have an easy narrative to give to the uneducated masses which will likely place them in power again in 2016 and virtually lock up the path of the US to a more socialistic country.

If Obama wins, the narrative will be that he hasn't been given the chance to instill his ideas because of that mean ol tea party controlled House.

I liked that lemonade stand metaphor, although in this case, it should be Kool-Aid. One is strawberry and the other is Cherry, but they are both red.