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MotherfuckerJones
10-15-2012, 08:18 AM
Said he expects unprecedented things.

siberian khatru
10-15-2012, 08:19 AM
Unprecedented ... like a public hanging on the Plaza?

Graystoke
10-15-2012, 08:19 AM
What about the contract he supposedly signed?

ElGringo
10-15-2012, 08:20 AM
What about the contract he supposedly signed?

I never heard that he "signed" a contract, only that he was offered one earlier in the season, and they are working out the language.

Ace Gunner
10-15-2012, 08:21 AM
Clark Hunt hands the reigns over to a midget??

Micjones
10-15-2012, 08:22 AM
Who would serve as the interim GM if Pioli's fired this week?

BoneKrusher
10-15-2012, 08:23 AM
i hope he's right.

Ace Gunner
10-15-2012, 08:25 AM
Who would serve as the interim GM if Pioli's fired this week?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Billy_Barty_2.jpg/220px-Billy_Barty_2.jpg

bevischief
10-15-2012, 08:25 AM
i hope he's right.

That must be some good blow...

KC Tattoo
10-15-2012, 08:27 AM
Please don't get my hopes up.

I doubt this happens just in case

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Flachief58
10-15-2012, 08:28 AM
Who would serve as the interim GM if Pioli's fired this week?

Who cares? Give the guy who washes the jockstraps the job for now. Could'nt be any worse than what we have now

Slainte
10-15-2012, 08:29 AM
I doubt it's Poili's firing. The Hunt isn't likely to fire a GM mid-season. They may be looking to bring in a new HC, though. I'd expect them to do that before the week is up, though, to take advantage of the bye week break.

durtyrute
10-15-2012, 08:30 AM
Firing him mid season accomplishes nothing other than the fact that he will be gone.





















That's good enough for me.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 08:30 AM
I doubt it's Poili's firing. The Hunt isn't likely to fire a GM mid-season. They may be looking to bring in a new HC, though. I'd expect them to do that before the week is up, though, to take advantage of the bye week break.

No way Pioli gets to keep his job if there's a coaching change.

ZERO chance.

Micjones
10-15-2012, 08:31 AM
Who cares? Give the guy who washes the jockstraps the job for now. Could'nt be any worse than what we have now

I care. Because that person could wind up with the regular job going forward.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:33 AM
Crennel fired, Matt Cassel replaces RAC and will become Pioli's right hand man.

KC Tattoo
10-15-2012, 08:34 AM
I thought Pioli was lazy in hiring Romeo, he didn't do diligent job in a coaching search. Fire him now!




GEORGE IS GETTING ANGRY
SERENITY NOW!!!

Dave Lane
10-15-2012, 08:36 AM
Unprecedented ... like a public hanging on the Plaza?

In.

Flachief58
10-15-2012, 08:36 AM
I care. Because that person could wind up with the regular job going forward.

So who do you want as GM that could start right away? I would think that the potential GM is working with another team and would not be available until after the season is over

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:37 AM
Get ready.


Pioli and Crennel will be fired, and Marty will be hired at HC.


That is the most direct route to re-energizing the fanbase, even if it is wrong.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:38 AM
Get ready.


Pioli and Crennel will be fired, and Marty will be hired at HC.


That is the most direct route to re-energizing the fanbase, even if it is wrong.

Man I'll take it in a heartbeat but there is about zero chance of that happening.

chiefs1okie
10-15-2012, 08:39 AM
So who do you want as GM that could start right away? I would think that the potential GM is working with another team and would not be available until after the season is over

Wasn't there a rumor a few weeks ago about Marty being brought in as a consultant? Could there be other plans in the works for him?

the Talking Can
10-15-2012, 08:39 AM
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nychief
10-15-2012, 08:39 AM
Can't believe that this happens... Feel like mass is wishing, or back on the shit.

ILChief
10-15-2012, 08:40 AM
I know he is old but bill polian is available

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:40 AM
Man I'll take it in a heartbeat but there is about zero chance of that happening.

Why is there zero chance?


Clark probably respects the hell out of Marty, and Marty can manipulate Clark like a little child.

keg in kc
10-15-2012, 08:40 AM
Get ready.


Pioli and Crennel will be fired, and Marty will be hired at HC.Thank god I already quit watching the games.

jspchief
10-15-2012, 08:41 AM
Bill Maas? Not going to pin my hopes on him. Hasn't he been spewing BS the last few weeks?

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:41 AM
Why is there zero chance?


Clark probably respects the hell out of Marty, and Marty can manipulate Clark like a little child.

I'm not sure Marty would feel welcome here after the way he left.

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:42 AM
Thank god I already quit watching the games.

LMAO


Short term this team would get a LOT better.

In two years we would be bitching about a 11-5,12-4, and (gulp) 13-3 team losing in the playoffs while truefans have a circle jerk.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:42 AM
Bill Maas? Not going to pin my hopes on him. Hasn't he been spewing BS the last few weeks?

That's pretty much all he does, but i'm willing to listen because that's all I have now.

mr. tegu
10-15-2012, 08:42 AM
There was thread specifically created for this type of conjecture.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 08:43 AM
Can't believe that this happens... Feel like mass is wishing, or back on the shit.

Truth meter detects only bold...

Fire Me Boy!
10-15-2012, 08:43 AM
Well.... at least Marty could teach the young'uns how to properly hate the Raiders.

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:45 AM
Truth meter detects only bold...

LMAO

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:45 AM
Well.... at least Marty could teach the young'uns how to properly hate the Raiders.

I wanted Marty gone just like the rest of us but I can say I miss the guy as he could take a shit sammich and turn it into respectability. It's just that other than Montana we never had the playmaker at QB to win us a Playoff game.

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:47 AM
I wanted Marty gone just like the rest of us but I can say I miss the guy as he could take a shit sammich and turn it into respectability. It's just that other than Montana we never had the playmaker at QB to win us a Playoff game.

Oh JFC. If we had a franchise QB back then...........



Sigh.

Flachief58
10-15-2012, 08:47 AM
Wasn't there a rumor a few weeks ago about Marty being brought in as a consultant? Could there be other plans in the works for him?

Could very well be.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 08:47 AM
Why is there zero chance?


Clark probably respects the hell out of Marty, and Marty can manipulate Clark like a little child.

Hiring Marty would set this franchise back another 4-6 years...

Good God why would anyone want that loser in charge of anything is beyond me.

Same thing with Cowher... No need to see his fucked up face anymore than we already do on sundays.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 08:48 AM
I'm not sure Marty would feel welcome here after the way he left.

Why should he feel welcome?

el borracho
10-15-2012, 08:49 AM
Honestly, I would settle for a public statement from Clark addressing fan concerns and team direction. This season is done, anyway. Hell... given the quarterback and coaching choices, this season was done before the Chiefs ever had mini-camps. Clark wouldn't even have to name names, but he could make it clear that he expects the people in charge to know what went wrong and to have the capacity to develop and implement plans to correct what went wrong. He could make it clear that "I don't know" isn't an acceptable answer at press conferences. He could make it clear that he (Clark) understands this is now a quarterback league and that the Chiefs fully intend to participate in this league.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:49 AM
Oh JFC. If we had a franchise QB back then...........



Sigh.

Ok if we ever draft an early 1st round QB, better?

Rausch
10-15-2012, 08:49 AM
Oh JFC. If we had a franchise QB back then...........



Sigh.

KC, in their entire history, has never drafted a QB that started 32 games.

Ever.

In fact it's less than that but I'm too lazy to look up the stats at this hour...

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:50 AM
Why should he feel welcome?

For Knocking up some young girl?

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:50 AM
Hiring Marty would set this franchise back another 4-6 years...

Good God why would anyone want that loser in charge of anything is beyond me.

Same thing with Cowher... No need to see his ****ed up face anymore than we already do on sundays.

I agree.


What would the majority (truefans) do if he was hired?



That stadium would be packed, the media would be talking about KC, and truefans would have to seek a doctor's assistance for eternal erections.

Clark looks like a hero, and a minority of CP will get put on suicide watch.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 08:51 AM
I agree.


What would the majority (truefans) do if he was hired?



That stadium would be packed, the media would be talking about KC, and truefans would have to seek a doctor's assistance for eternal boner problems.

Clark looks like a hero, and a minority of CP will get put on suicide watch.

Marty is beyond his expiration date.

The Chin is a different story...

theelusiveeightrop
10-15-2012, 08:52 AM
Still on the ledge, but feeling slightly safer. Thanks Bill Maas.

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:53 AM
Marty is beyond his expiration date.

The Chin is a different story...

JFC.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:53 AM
Marty is beyond his expiration date.

The Chin is a different story...

I don't want Cowher, he would start Cassel.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:54 AM
JFC.

Bill Snyder then? We have Taco Bell here....

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:55 AM
Bill Snyder then? We have Taco Bell here....

LMAO

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 08:55 AM
Marty is beyond his expiration date.

The Chin is a different story...

Yeah youre right he is a different story, He is so far past his shelf life its not even funny.


KC has to stop wanting to and going backwards in a forward moving league...

You dont get better by intentionally making yourself worse...

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 08:55 AM
I'm not sure Marty would feel welcome here after the way he left.

Marty was part of the "inner circle" that told Clark to hire Pioli.

They showed shots of him sitting in Clark's suite during the last few weeks of the season when Carl and Herm got the axe.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 08:56 AM
Marty was part of the "inner circle" that told Clark to hire Pioli.

They showed shots of him sitting in Clark's suite during the last few weeks of the season when Carl and Herm got the axe.


BINGO

Dayze
10-15-2012, 08:56 AM
Stoops


*runs for cover***

Rausch
10-15-2012, 08:56 AM
I don't want Cowher, he would start Cassel.

No, he would not.

Just stop...

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/5b74276ac8e07b93337b5789374f1ae9/l.jpg

notorious
10-15-2012, 08:57 AM
You dont get better by intentionally making yourself worse...

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4846394589971234&pid=15.1

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 08:57 AM
Stoops


*runs for cover***

NO! I wouldn't have minded him a few years ago, but just NO.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 08:57 AM
No, he would not.

Just stop...

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/5b74276ac8e07b93337b5789374f1ae9/l.jpg

Yeah Cowher never loved shitty QB's.

:doh!:

dallaschiefsfan
10-15-2012, 08:58 AM
IF...IF Marty was simply hired to babysit the team for the rest of the season w/ Gibbs becoming DC, I'd be on board...but if it's anything beyond that......NOOOOOOOO.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:00 AM
No, he would not.

Just stop...

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/5b74276ac8e07b93337b5789374f1ae9/l.jpg

I've never been a fan of Cowher.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:00 AM
IF...IF Marty was simply hired to babysit the team for the rest of the season w/ Gibbs becoming DC, I'd be on board...but if it's anything beyond that......NOOOOOOOO.

Its like going back to your Highschool sweetheart, but now your HS love is a methed out, aids carrying, STD factory...

But you cant help remembering how she once blew you in the girls locker room.

So lets throw on some REO Speedwagon and remember the good ol days while you are praying you dont get an STD...

ILChief
10-15-2012, 09:00 AM
Well cowher might see that didn't win the big one til he got a franchise qb

notorious
10-15-2012, 09:01 AM
Its like going back to your Highschool sweetheart, but now your HS love is a methed out, aids carrying, STD factory...

But you cant help remembering how she once blew you in the girls locker room.

So lets throw on some REO Speedwagon and remember the good ol days while you are praying you dont get an STD...

Wow.

That's sums it up perfectly. LMAO

CoMoChief
10-15-2012, 09:02 AM
Clark is a business man 100%.

Until anything effects his bottom line, he aint gonna give a shit.

It's like what Whitlock said....TV contracts have gotten to a point where fans not showing up to games just may not be enough....because they're still making money hand over fist.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:02 AM
KC has to stop wanting to and going backwards in a forward moving league...

Exactly.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:04 AM
Its like going back to your Highschool sweetheart, but now your HS love is a methed out, aids carrying, STD factory...

But you cant help remembering how she once blew you in the girls locker room.

So lets throw on some REO Speedwagon and remember the good ol days while you are praying you dont get an STD...

PERFECT analogy.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:05 AM
Yeah youre right he is a different story, He is so far past his shelf life its not even funny.


KC has to stop wanting to and going backwards in a forward moving league...

You dont get better by intentionally making yourself worse...

You are one of the biggest pimps of stupidity.

Your entire argument is retarded and urinates on logic.

In summation:

A) any SB winning coach is a "retread."
B) Hiring a coach who's never been a HC or won at the NFL level is desired.

Other than in your mind and on this BB where would you ever find a collection of idiocy strong enough to fuel the idea that a person who's accomplished what you want to accomplish is less desirable than someone who hasn't?...

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:08 AM
Moving forward could be moving backwards, I guess we just have to be Steadman'd or Pioli'd again to see it.

We were moving forward with Paul Wiggin, Marv Levy, John Mackovic, Frank Gansz, Gunther Cunningham, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:08 AM
PERFECT analogy.

Not only that but Levy is the only HC I can think of that was every worth a $#it post 60...

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:08 AM
You are one of the biggest pimps of stupidity.

Your entire argument is retarded and urinates on logic.

In summation:

A) any SB winning coach is a "retread."
B) Hiring a coach who's never been a HC or won at the NFL level is desired.

Other than in your mind and on this BB where would you ever find a collection of idiocy strong enough to fuel the idea that a person who's accomplished what you want to accomplish is less desirable than someone who hasn't?...

Negative Ghost rider...

I just dont want Marty or Cowher...

Its not fucking rocket surgery... You dont have to make up some elaborate story to back up your claims...

LISTEN CLOSELY, I DO NOT WAY COWHER OR MARTY....

PERIOD! DO NOT WANT!!!!

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:09 AM
You are one of the biggest pimps of stupidity.

Your entire argument is retarded and urinates on logic.

In summation:

A) any SB winning coach is a "retread."
B) Hiring a coach who's never been a HC or won at the NFL level is desired.

Other than in your mind and on this BB where would you ever find a collection of idiocy strong enough to fuel the idea that a person who's accomplished what you want to accomplish is less desirable than someone who hasn't?...

Because no coach in the entirety of NFL history has won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams.

In the modern NFL, I can't think of a single coach that, after winning a Super Bowl with 1 team, brought a 2nd team even CLOSE to another Super Bowl win.

You can call him an idiot all you want but NFL history is FIRMLY on his side.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:09 AM
Moving forward could be moving backwards, I guess we just have to be Steadman'd or Pioli'd again to see it.

We were moving forward with Paul Wiggin, Marv Levy, John Mackovic, Frank Gansz, Gunther Cunningham, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel.

Goonther, Edwards and Crennel were not moving forwards...

Others I cant speak up on... Before my fanhood.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:09 AM
We were moving forward with Paul Wiggin, Marv Levy, John Mackovic, Frank Gansz, Gunther Cunningham, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel.

LMAO

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:10 AM
Negative Ghost rider...

I just dont want Marty or Cowher...

Its not ****ing rocket surgery... You dont have to make up some elaborate story to back up your claims...

LISTEN CLOSELY, I DO NOT WAY COWHER OR MARTY....

PERIOD! DO NOT WANT!!!!

We could hire the next June Jones.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:10 AM
We could hire the next June Jones.

Well we hired Edwards and Crennel recently. Then went out on a limb with Haley...

Can it get worse?

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:12 AM
Well we hired Edwards and Crennel recently. Then went out on a limb with Haley...

Can it get worse?

It can stay right where it's at....

/Bengals, Browns, DUmpster fires

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:12 AM
We could hire the next June Jones.

Or the next John Harbaugh.

We might fail! Too scared! Get me me my Bill Cowher blankie!

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:12 AM
LISTEN CLOSELY, I DO NOT WAY COWHER OR MARTY....

PERIOD! DO NOT WANT!!!!

That's fine.

We all have our preferences.

It's your complete refusal to allow anyone who's ever won a SB to be considered that irks me...

Lzen
10-15-2012, 09:13 AM
Negative Ghost rider...

I just dont want Marty or Cowher...

Its not ****ing rocket surgery... You dont have to make up some elaborate story to back up your claims...

LISTEN CLOSELY, I DO NOT WAY COWHER OR MARTY....

PERIOD! DO NOT WANT!!!!

I sure as Hell don't want Cowher after he said he would stick with Cassel last week. 4321

Ace Gunner
10-15-2012, 09:13 AM
Clark is a business man 100%.

Until anything effects his bottom line, he aint gonna give a shit.

It's like what Whitlock said....TV contracts have gotten to a point where fans not showing up to games just may not be enough....because they're still making money hand over fist.

It hasn't been so far. 32 peas in Goodell's NFL corporate pod backed fully by the US military. Salute those troops, fans & thank your god for those great NFL punts.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-504d17a9/turbine/chi-49ers-akers-matches-nfl-record-with-63yard-001/600

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:13 AM
Or the next John Harbaugh.

We might fail! Too scared! Get me me my Bill Cowher blankie!

I've already stated i'm not a Cowher fan, I would want a good Coach that was hungry if we're talking retreads.

Lzen
10-15-2012, 09:13 AM
Or the next John Harbaugh.

We might fail! Too scared! Get me me my Bill Cowher blankie!

Are there any more Harbaugh brothers? LMAO

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:13 AM
It can stay right where it's at....

/Bengals, Browns, DUmpster fires

We are the Browns or the Bengals...

We havent won anything in over 20 years....

We are not better than the dumpster NFL franchises, WE ARE A DUMPSTER FRANCHISE....

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:14 AM
Or the next John Harbaugh.

We might fail! Too scared! Get me me my Bill Cowher blankie!

Exactly!!!

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:14 AM
Or the next John Harbaugh.

We might fail! Too scared! Get me me my Bill Cowher blankie!

Fuck John Harbaugh.

Not only is he the maestro of one of the greatest sources of playoff misery for Chiefs fans but he's built EXACTLY THE TYPE OF TEAM THIS BB HATES.

HARBAUGH IS MARTYBALL...

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:15 AM
We are the Browns or the Bengals...

We havent won anything in over 20 years....

We are not better than the dumpster NFL franchises, WE ARE A DUMPSTER FRANCHISE....

HEY! We are not those teams, we're better than that.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:15 AM
That's fine.

We all have our preferences.

It's your complete refusal to allow anyone who's ever won a SB to be considered that irks me...

I would consider Gruden or Billick

Just not Cowher or Marty.

And Marty never won a superbowl....

notorious
10-15-2012, 09:15 AM
Because no coach in the entirety of NFL history has won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams.

In the modern NFL, I can't think of a single coach that, after winning a Super Bowl with 1 team, brought a 2nd team even CLOSE to another Super Bowl win.

You can call him an idiot all you want but NFL history is FIRMLY on his side.

Homgren.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:15 AM
HEY! We are not those teams, we're better than that.LMAO

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:15 AM
Are there any more Harbaugh brothers? LMAO

They can suck it if molded after Jim.

MIAdragon
10-15-2012, 09:15 AM
Clark must have noticed my thread that was so thoroughly mocked here. Suck it haters :).

cookster50
10-15-2012, 09:16 AM
HEY! We are not those teams, we're better than that.

Proof?

Predarat
10-15-2012, 09:20 AM
Wish it was yesterday.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:21 AM
I sure as Hell don't want Cowher after he said he would stick with Cassel last week. 4321

It's TV.

I highly doubt "Chucky" would fellate half the QB's he does on the air if they were his QB.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:22 AM
I would consider Gruden or Billick

Just not Cowher or Marty.

And Marty never won a superbowl....

Fuck Marty.

Why he's even in this conversation is beyond me...

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:22 AM
Proof?

We don't sit back and enjoy the rape, look at all the meltdowns here.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:22 AM
It's your complete refusal to allow anyone who's ever won a SB to be considered that irks me...

Why would you WANT someone who has won a Super Bowl?

Do you use the lottery as your primary source of income, too?

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:22 AM
**** Marty.

Why he's even in this conversation is beyond me...

Only because I want him here unless someone makes a valid argument for someone else of course. :)

notorious
10-15-2012, 09:22 AM
**** Marty.

Why he's even in this conversation is beyond me...

:D

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:23 AM
**** John Harbaugh.

Not only is he the maestro of one of the greatest sources of playoff misery for Chiefs fans but he's built EXACTLY THE TYPE OF TEAM THIS BB HATES.

HARBAUGH IS MARTYBALL...

Except that they have a QB. And they're using him more and more as he comes into his own.

The defense isn't even that good.

They're not Martyball anymore.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:23 AM
:D

Fine bring in forthmeal! At least KU will benefit.

J Diddy
10-15-2012, 09:24 AM
**** Marty.

Why he's even in this conversation is beyond me...

It's the Chiefs way. Better than horrendous=good.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:24 AM
Except that they have a QB. And they're using him more and more as he comes into his own.

The defense isn't even that good.

They're not Martyball anymore.

Meh, the Ravens almost lost to the Chiefs. If Catt Massel doesn't fumble the snap we probably beat them. No thANKS!

J Diddy
10-15-2012, 09:25 AM
Except that they have a QB. And they're using him more and more as he comes into his own.

The defense isn't even that good.

They're not Martyball anymore.

It is now fattyball.

J Diddy
10-15-2012, 09:26 AM
Meh, the Ravens almost lost to the Chiefs. If Catt Massel doesn't fumble the snap we probably beat them. No thANKS!

Don't confuse a brief moment of inspired luck with consistent goodness.

FringeNC
10-15-2012, 09:27 AM
I think it's doubtful that Pioli gets fired, BUT you really can't fire Crennel without firing Pioli. There will be either no changes or a complete purge.

(I don't count some BS move as making Gibbs DC in title only a change.)

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:27 AM
Meh, the Ravens almost lost to the Chiefs. If Catt Massel doesn't fumble the snap we probably beat them. No thANKS!

Wow, all of that based on 1 game?

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:28 AM
Don't confuse a brief moment of inspired luck with consistent goodness.

Exactly.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:28 AM
Wish it was yesterday.

I want a cryogenic chamber.

Wake me when we're respectable again...

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Futurama_Fry_Looking_Squint_9256.jpg

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:28 AM
I think it's doubtful that Pioli gets fired, BUT you really can't fire Crennel without firing Pioli. There will be either no changes or a complete purge.

(I don't count some BS move as making Gibbs DC in title only a change.)

Yep.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:31 AM
Except that they have a QB.

LMAO

The defense isn't even that good.

LMAO

chiefs1okie
10-15-2012, 09:31 AM
Only because I want him here unless someone makes a valid argument for someone else of course. :)

I really don't see Marty being hired as a head coach... but I could see the logic in him being considered as a G.M. candidate. He is passionate about winning, especially within the division. He may not have always made the best decisions, (Gannon), but he was always a good motivator. Just sayin.....

BoneKrusher
10-15-2012, 09:32 AM
I really don't see Marty being hired as a head coach... but I could see the logic in him being considered as a G.M. candidate. He is passionate about winning, especially within the division. He may not have always made the best decisions, (Gannon), but he was always a good motivator. Just sayin.....

yep.
during the Marty days it was cool to be a Chiefs fan.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:33 AM
I really don't see Marty being hired as a head coach... but I could see the logic in him being considered as a G.M. candidate. He is passionate about winning, especially within the division. He may not have always made the best decisions, (Gannon), but he was always a good motivator. Just sayin.....

Marty was a consultant to Hunt when we hired pioli....


Why trust Martha again?

Denver Mike
10-15-2012, 09:33 AM
Maybe you guys will get lucky and pickup Denver reject Brian Xanders

BourbonMan
10-15-2012, 09:33 AM
I really don't see Marty being hired as a head coach... but I could see the logic in him being considered as a G.M. candidate. He is passionate about winning, especially within the division. He may not have always made the best decisions, (Gannon), but he was always a good motivator. Just sayin.....

THIS!!!!!

Deberg_1990
10-15-2012, 09:33 AM
All i know is Pioli has been awfully quiet and Clark has been the only one to say anything.

Not looking good for Pioli.

Reerun_KC
10-15-2012, 09:34 AM
All i know is Pioli has been awfully quiet and Clark has been the only one to say anything.

Not looking good for Pioli.

lets hope buddy lets hope.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:34 AM
All i know is Pioli has been awfully quiet and Clark has been the only one to say anything.

Not looking good for Pioli.

There is nothing Pioli can say at this point that would help.

The best thing he can do is keep his mouth shut...

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:35 AM
LMAO

LMAO

Have you been watching the Ravens at all this season?

ChiefMojo
10-15-2012, 09:36 AM
I think the best thing Marty can do for the Chiefs is just be Clark's consultant like he pretty much is already.

Sure I think most have entertained the Cowher thought as GM/HC but I just don't know if he has the want to/fire for the job anymore.

I think Billick and Gruden are the best choices but if Andy Reid comes available he should be seriously considered as well.

Whoever is the next HC, they will have extreme personnel powers I would bet.

As for firing Pioli now? Just promote Donovan to run things and Farmer to control personnel for the remainder of the season.

the Talking Can
10-15-2012, 09:38 AM
All i know is Pioli has been awfully quiet and Clark has been the only one to say anything.

Not looking good for Pioli.

pioli is just a coward hiding from accountability...he loves the $$$ and hates anyone beneath him

chiefs1okie
10-15-2012, 09:40 AM
Marty was a consultant to Hunt when we hired pioli....


Why trust Martha again?

At the time that happened, Pioli was the darling of the NFL. Bigger coup (supposedly) than any free agent player on the market. All the ability in the world doesn't always equate to success, but at the time he was a hot commodity. Peter principled. I only made those comments about Marty because there is a night and day difference in my mind about how the two interact with the fans, as a business decision I could definitely see Clark understanding how Marty would bring passion back to Arrowhead. BOTH ON THE FIELD AND IN THE STANDS.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:40 AM
Why would you WANT someone who has won a Super Bowl?

Do you use the lottery as your primary source of income, too?

When you need anything accomplished do you hire someone who's done that and done a good job or look for some young guy who's never done it and think " yeah, he looks like he could do this"?

boogblaster
10-15-2012, 09:41 AM
in truth the whole damn team needs to pull their heads outt .. we dont look professional at all ..... clear outt the offices then clear outt the trash on the field .....

Bewbies
10-15-2012, 09:41 AM
When you need anything accomplished do you hire someone who's done that and done a good job or look for some young guy who's never done it and think " yeah, he looks like he could do this"?

There's a long list of coaches that have won Super Bowl's with 2 teams. They're listed below:

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:41 AM
Have you been watching the Ravens at all this season?

I thought you were talking about the 49'ers...

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:42 AM
There's a long list of coaches that have won Super Bowl's with 2 teams. They're listed below:

There's a longer list of those that have never won a single one...

ChiTown
10-15-2012, 09:42 AM
When you need anything accomplished do you hire someone who's done that and done a good job or look for some young guy who's never done it and think " yeah, he looks like he could do this"?

I have hired a lot of managers in my time. I generally assess the business first, and look for the right fit to the business, regardless of their background. Certainly, they have to be a qualified candidate, but they don't have to have previous experience in a like job. I'm generally looking for qualities that will make a good fit to the organization.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:43 AM
I think the best thing Marty can do for the Chiefs is just be Clark's consultant like he pretty much is already.

Marty was one of the people that told Clark to hire Pioli. Just FYI.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:45 AM
I have hired a lot of managers in my time. I generally assess the business first, and look for the right fit to the business, regardless of their background. Certainly, they have to be a qualified candidate, but they don't have to have previous experience in a like job. I'm generally looking for qualities that will make a good fit to the organization.

So you wouldn't disqualify a person due to the fact they'd previously run a successful business in the same field?

Does the absolute retarded nature of that question stand out at all to you?...

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:45 AM
When you need anything accomplished do you hire someone who's done that and done a good job or look for some young guy who's never done it and think " yeah, he looks like he could do this"?

It depends on what I need accomplished.

If history tells me that, despite his track record, the guy that has done it before won't ever do it again, I won't hire him. Period.

TEX
10-15-2012, 09:45 AM
Said he expects unprecedented things.

:rolleyes: Yeah right.

DBOSHO
10-15-2012, 09:45 AM
Lets demote crennel and hire stanzi as hc

Bewbies
10-15-2012, 09:45 AM
There's a longer list of those that have never won a single one...

You missed the point. Entirely. LMAO

Brainiac
10-15-2012, 09:46 AM
Marty was a consultant to Hunt when we hired pioli....


Why trust Martha again?
Hindsight is always a perfect 20/20. Based upon the information available at the time, Pioli was a very solid choice. I don't think you can blame Marty for not knowing that Pioli would turn out to be such a train wreck. EVERYBODY supported the hire at the time.

Bringing Marty back in some role would be the best thing this screwed up team could do. Marty has ALWAYS turned shit teams into solid winning teams. ALWAYS.

Is he too old to be a head coach again? Probably. Expecting him to come back at his advanced age and instantly turn the team into a winner would be like expecting Bill Snyder to be able to do that at K-State. It's impossible.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:46 AM
I thought you were talking about the 49'ers...

I figured that out about the same time as I posted that. :thumb:

I was talking about JOHN Harbaugh. I appreciate what Jim as done in SF but I like John as a HC much more...

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:47 AM
Marty was one of the people that told Clark to hire Pioli. Just FYI.

We've all made mistakes.

When you fail take a long hard look at why and move on.

Don't repeat them.

Molitoth
10-15-2012, 09:47 AM
Bill Cowher has made a living trotting mediocre QB's on the field until he drafted Big Ben.

He is a hard nosed defense/running game guy that took 14 years?? to win a Superbowl in Pit.

No thanks.

Chiefshrink
10-15-2012, 09:48 AM
Said he expects unprecedented things.

:rolleyes:

Rooster
10-15-2012, 09:48 AM
Unprecedented ... like a public hanging on the Plaza?

LMAOLMAO

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:48 AM
So you wouldn't disqualify a person due to the fact they'd previously run a successful business in the same field?

Does the absolute retarded nature of that question stand out at all to you?...

Are you going to pick up a spent shell casing, load it in your gun, and attempt to fire it again, even though you KNOW it doesn't have a bullet in it?

TEX
10-15-2012, 09:49 AM
Bill Cowher has made a living trotting mediocre QB's on the field until he drafted Big Ben.

He is a hard nosed defense/running game guy that took 14 years?? to win a Superbowl in Pit.

No thanks.

He would be the best coach the Chifs have had in a long time, if hired. I'd take him in a second.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:49 AM
We've all made mistakes.

When you fail take a long hard look at why and move on.

Don't repeat them.

All the more reason to not have anything to do with Marty. Very little evidence to suggest he's actively learning from his mistakes.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:50 AM
He would be the best coach the Chifs have had in a long time, if hired. I'd take him in a second.

Why?

ChiTown
10-15-2012, 09:50 AM
So you wouldn't disqualify a person due to the fact they'd previously run a successful business in the same field?

Does the absolute retarded nature of that question stand out at all to you?...

No, I certainly would not disqualify anybody that has had a track record of proven success in a like position. You'd be foolish to at least not interview that candidate. The real question is: Given their success, do they still have the same drive and passion to replicate their efforts on a start up business (Chiefs Organization).

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:50 AM
I figured that out about the same time as I posted that. :thumb:

I was talking about JOHN Harbaugh. I appreciate what Jim as done in SF but I like John as a HC much more...

JOHN has taken a defensive team and tried his best to infuse some offense into the franchise.

Jim has taken an offensive franchise and tried to sell them on Martyball...

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:51 AM
We've all made mistakes.

When you fail take a long hard look at why and move on.

Don't repeat them.

This is what I want from our new GM, if you make a mistake recognize it post haste and move on. Carl and Pioli were both horrible in that respect.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:52 AM
JOHN has taken a defensive team and tried his best to infuse some offense into the franchise.

Jim has taken an offensive franchise and tried to sell them on Martyball...

I agree.

Like I said, I appreciate what Jim has done in SF. But I'm a big John Harbaugh fan.

TEX
10-15-2012, 09:52 AM
Why?

Gonna combine two takes in my answer here. First, you're right about Marty not changing. However, Cowher did. I'd only want Cowher as a HC, not GM and NOT in a combined capacity.

HemiEd
10-15-2012, 09:52 AM
Well.... at least Marty could teach the young'uns how to properly hate the Raiders.

That would be a start.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:53 AM
No, I certainly would not disqualify anybody that has had a track record of proven success in a like position.

Of course not, it flies in the face of logic.

I rest my case.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:53 AM
I agree.

Like I said, I appreciate what Jim has done in SF. But I'm a big John Harbaugh fan.

I don't like either of them.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Of course not, it flies in the face of logic.

I rest my case.

NO HC has EVER won the Super Bowl with 2 different teams.

ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

If you want to talk about coaches who are winners and have been CLOSE (Jeff Fisher comes to mind) then let's talk.

But if you want to talk about an argument that flies in the face of logic, it's the argument that a team should hire Cowher, Billick, or Gruden.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:57 AM
NO HC has EVER won the Super Bowl with 2 different teams.

ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

If you want to talk about coaches who are winners and have been CLOSE (Jeff Fisher comes to mind) then let's talk.

But if you want to talk about an argument that flies in the face of logic, it's the argument that a team should hire Cowher, Billick, or Gruden.

I was all for Fisher, most here hated the idea. He's certainly hungry and has some great experiences.

ChiefMojo
10-15-2012, 09:57 AM
Marty and the whole NFL world thought Pioli was the hottest thing since sliced bread. To blame Marty for approving is short sighted and wrong.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 09:58 AM
I agree.

Like I said, I appreciate what Jim has done in SF. But I'm a big John Harbaugh fan.

John appears to have that perfect balance of fire and calm.

It's his personality the team responds to.

He appears to be the "speak softly but carry a big stick" type of guy...

KILLER_CLOWN
10-15-2012, 09:58 AM
Marty and the whole NFL world thought Pioli was the hottest thing since sliced bread. To blame Marty for approving is short sighted and wrong.

I agree.

HemiEd
10-15-2012, 10:01 AM
Or the next John Harbaugh.

We might fail! Too scared! Get me me my Bill Cowher blankie!

There it is, without question. The same problem with developing a QB, no patience.

Brady Quinn played that game yesterday with hand cuffs on, but he sucks!

Draft a first round Rookie, we will be patient then, promise.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 10:03 AM
NO HC has EVER won the Super Bowl with 2 different teams.

ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a QB that started 2 full seasons for KC.

No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a QB that became a pro bowler for KC.

No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a SB QB for KC.

No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a HOF QB.

Based on this it will NEVER happen...

Radar Chief
10-15-2012, 10:04 AM
I was all for Fisher, most here hated the idea. He's certainly hungry and has some great experiences.

I wasnít a fan of the idea but heís got the Rams playing with some fire.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 10:05 AM
I'd only want Cowher as a HC, not GM and NOT in a combined capacity.

As a hypothetical, it sounds good.

But I don't think there's much chance Cowher goes anywhere unless he can get total control.

In fact, that might be why no SB-winning coaches have ever done it twice. They win one and the power it affords them at their 2nd job prevents them from recreating their success.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 10:06 AM
I was all for Fisher, most here hated the idea. He's certainly hungry and has some great experiences.

I'm not a big Fisher fan, his was just the first name that came to mind.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 10:06 AM
No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a QB that started 2 full seasons for KC.

No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a QB that became a pro bowler for KC.

No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a SB QB for KC.

No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a HOF QB.

Based on this it will NEVER happen...

I'm not suggesting it will NEVER happen.

I'm saying I wouldn't pin my hopes on it.

As I said earlier, do you depend on lottery tickets are your primary source of income?

Rausch
10-15-2012, 10:07 AM
As I said earlier, do you depend on lottery tickets are your primary source of income?

No, but apparently I do for my source of entertainment...

keg in kc
10-15-2012, 10:08 AM
If he was fired this week, would it be the first time Maas has actually been right about something?

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-15-2012, 10:17 AM
Going for a "homerun" and if he strikes out he can just blame his "sources"

qabbaan
10-15-2012, 10:19 AM
I don't think it would be shocking if Pioli were fired today or very soon. Otherwise it would probably be late in the season like Carl was.

qabbaan
10-15-2012, 10:20 AM
If he was fired this week, would it be the first time Maas has actually been right about something?

It's not that hard to guess that an embattled coach and his GM might be canned on the team's bye week

splatbass
10-15-2012, 10:21 AM
I agree.


What would the majority (truefans) do if he was hired?



That stadium would be packed, the media would be talking about KC, and truefans would have to seek a doctor's assistance for eternal erections.

Clark looks like a hero, and a minority of CP will get put on suicide watch.

So there is an upside?

qabbaan
10-15-2012, 10:21 AM
I wasn’t a fan of the idea but he’s got the Rams playing with some fire.

Fisher is great unless you want your team to have winning seasons a majority of the time

TEX
10-15-2012, 10:21 AM
It's not that hard to guess that an embattled coach and his GM might be canned on the team's bye week

One, but not the other. Pioli will be retained. Besides, nothing is going to happen anyway.

mikey23545
10-15-2012, 10:23 AM
Marty is beyond his expiration date.


No.

Marty would have this team turned around and a viable foundation laid which would serve us well headed into the future in a very short time.

After a couple of years he could transition into the front office and some young buck could step in at HC.

Just because he's up there in years do not confuse him with that doughnut eating, cart-riding, ancient sack of apathy that can't wait for the game to end so he can get back to his lazyboy. Marty can probably still slap you all over the ballyard and grind away on your girlfriend half the night before he goes to work in the morning and shows a few young punks that think they're football players what enthusiasm means.

That's right...THE GLEAM!

Rausch
10-15-2012, 10:25 AM
Marty can probably still slap you all over the ballyard and grind away on your girlfriend half the night before he goes to work in the morning and shows a few young punks that think they're football players what enthusiasm means.

I know he could could 20 years ago anyway...

Brock
10-15-2012, 10:27 AM
LMAO I'd take Schottenheimer back in a heartbeat.

Yes, this is what I'm reduced to.

Dicky McElephant
10-15-2012, 10:28 AM
Any chance that Marty would just want a GM position? The guy knew how to put teams together.

qabbaan
10-15-2012, 10:29 AM
You can't win with Marty's formula in the NFL anymore.

The league is centered on the QB. You can't defend well enough to win with Matt Cassel. You can't hit the QB, you can't hit receivers or even defend them the way you could ten years ago, let alone 20.

You can't just sit on the ball for four quarters and kick a field goal. The league has passed that style of play by.

notorious
10-15-2012, 10:30 AM
So there is an upside?

It would be merciful. Trust me. ;)

Rausch
10-15-2012, 10:32 AM
LMAO I'd take Schottenheimer back in a heartbeat.

Yes, this is what I'm reduced to.

Average > horrible failure...

notorious
10-15-2012, 10:32 AM
Any chance that Marty would just want a GM position? The guy knew how to put teams together.

Wasn't it Carl that put those teams together?

Rausch
10-15-2012, 10:33 AM
Wasn't it Carl that put those teams together?

I doubt that...

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 10:33 AM
Yeah youre right he is a different story, He is so far past his shelf life its not even funny.


KC has to stop wanting to and going backwards in a forward moving league...

You dont get better by intentionally making yourself worse...

For what it's worth - Jim Harbaugh is essentially Bill Cowher and this place would (justifiably) JIMP over Harbaugh.

Go ahead and tell me what separates those guys. Harbaugh is a fire and brimstone leader that relies on a conservative offense and a hell-raising defense to put his team in favorable positions.

Now, I don't really want Cowher here, but we could absolutely do a hell of a lot worse. He'd bring an edge back to this team. He'd actually fit this personnel extremely well.

Tell me why we couldn't win and win HUGE with Cowher setting the tone and someone like Holgorsen running the O.

Cowher could work. Is it my preferred solution? No, but it's one that I see no reason to immediately discount.

gblowfish
10-15-2012, 10:33 AM
I don't think anything will happen this week. Why? CHunt is too busy with the MLS right now to really notice that his NFL team is circling the bowl.

But OK, let's speculate ala Bill Maas (put away your coke and your gun for a minute...)

He could fire RAC. You have two former head coaches on staff, Zorn and Emmitt Thomas, who you could use to limp the team through the year.

He could fire Pioli. Put figurehead Jack Steadman in charge the rest of the year (the guy is a hood ornament anyway) until a new GM is hired in 2013. Or you could promote Mark Donovan to GM until a new GM is hired. Or CHunt could bring in Marty or Bill Polian as GM.

But I bet they'll do nothing until the end of the year. They may not even fire anybody. They may just throw Cassel under the bus and act like that'll solve everything.

BigCatDaddy
10-15-2012, 10:36 AM
You can't win with Marty's formula in the NFL anymore.

The league is centered on the QB. You can't defend well enough to win with Matt Cassel. You can't hit the QB, you can't hit receivers or even defend them the way you could ten years ago, let alone 20.

You can't just sit on the ball for four quarters and kick a field goal. The league has passed that style of play by.

Maybe he learned the value of having a QB while coaching in Sandy Eggo.

BossChief
10-15-2012, 10:37 AM
I don't think it would be shocking if Pioli were fired today or very soon. Otherwise it would probably be late in the season like Carl was.

Carl was fired/stepped down at the end of the year, but was stripped of his power before the 2008 draft.

Pioli may not get "fired" but I think someone else will be doing his job.

You know how we will be able to tell if that's the case? Who the starting qb is.

Marcellus
10-15-2012, 10:38 AM
For what it's worth - Jim Harbaugh is essentially Bill Cowher and this place would (justifiably) JIMP over Harbaugh.

Go ahead and tell me what separates those guys. Harbaugh is a fire and brimstone leader that relies on a conservative offense and a hell-raising defense to put his team in favorable positions.

Now, I don't really want Cowher here, but we could absolutely do a hell of a lot worse. He'd bring an edge back to this team. He'd actually fit this personnel extremely well.

Tell me why we couldn't win and win HUGE with Cowher setting the tone and someone like Holgorsen running the O.

Cowher could work. Is it my preferred solution? No, but it's one that I see no reason to immediately discount.

Its probably been mentioned but Clark wants to emulate the Steelers franchise, Cowher helps him get there a bit faster and he knows how the organization was ran.

notorious
10-15-2012, 10:38 AM
But I bet they'll do nothing until the end of the year. They may not even fire anybody. They may just throw Cassel under the bus and act like that'll solve everything.

Logic dictates that this will be what happens.





It makes me want to punt kittens, though.

Marcellus
10-15-2012, 10:39 AM
I don't think anything will happen this week. Why? CHunt is too busy with the MLS right now to really notice that his NFL team is circling the bowl.

So why was Clark in Tampa at the game? Was there a soccer game going on near by?

warpaint*
10-15-2012, 10:39 AM
I'm going to go ahead and put zilch stock into anything Bill Maas says.

kaplin42
10-15-2012, 10:41 AM
Marty is beyond his expiration date.

The Chin is a different story...

Actually it's not. Cowher's style of football is 3 yards and a cloud of dust run them into the ground. That worked great back in the day. But those days are done, we have been saying it all season, especially the last two weeks. The NFL is a quarterback driven league that depends on the pass now. The running game is and always will be important, but not the way Cowher likes it to be.

Cowher's strategy was to get a 10-14 point lead, and run the ball, draining the clock. And letting your defense do its job and keep the other teamís offense from scoring. Well now, with the way rules have changed, defenses can't do that as effectively. 10 - 14 points is nothing (unless your name rhymes with Matt Cassel).

Cowher is the complete wrong choice for this team. We need a coach that understands that the passing game is the ticket to the bowl.

BossChief
10-15-2012, 10:42 AM
For what it's worth - Jim Harbaugh is essentially Bill Cowher and this place would (justifiably) JIMP over Harbaugh.

Go ahead and tell me what separates those guys. Harbaugh is a fire and brimstone leader that relies on a conservative offense and a hell-raising defense to put his team in favorable positions.

Now, I don't really want Cowher here, but we could absolutely do a hell of a lot worse. He'd bring an edge back to this team. He'd actually fit this personnel extremely well.

Tell me why we couldn't win and win HUGE with Cowher setting the tone and someone like Holgorsen running the O.

Cowher could work. Is it my preferred solution? No, but it's one that I see no
reason to immediately discount.
This

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-15-2012, 10:43 AM
Cowher of all people would know that it takes a Franchise QB to win in this league. Could never win the big one,draft Big Ben...poof SuperBowl

notorious
10-15-2012, 10:44 AM
For what it's worth - Jim Harbaugh is essentially Bill Cowher and this place would (justifiably) JIMP over Harbaugh.

Go ahead and tell me what separates those guys. Harbaugh is a fire and brimstone leader that relies on a conservative offense and a hell-raising defense to put his team in favorable positions.

Now, I don't really want Cowher here, but we could absolutely do a hell of a lot worse. He'd bring an edge back to this team. He'd actually fit this personnel extremely well.

Tell me why we couldn't win and win HUGE with Cowher setting the tone and someone like Holgorsen running the O.

Cowher could work. Is it my preferred solution? No, but it's one that I see no reason to immediately discount.

Jim Harbaugh ELEVATES QB play brilliantly. Cowher doesn't.

gblowfish
10-15-2012, 10:44 AM
So why was Clark in Tampa at the game? Was there a soccer game going on near by?
Endless shrimp at Red Lobster.

dallaschiefsfan
10-15-2012, 10:44 AM
Whoever is the next HC, they will have extreme personnel powers I would bet.

What percentage of the last 10 Super Bowl winners had coaches that had extreme personnel powers? I'm not sure of the answer, but my gut tells me that the clearly separated powers of GM/Coach is a better approach for building a Super Bowl Champion.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-15-2012, 10:45 AM
Endless shrimp at Red Lobster.

He seems more of a caviar and truffle kind of guy.

keg in kc
10-15-2012, 10:49 AM
Its probably been mentioned but Clark wants to emulate the Steelers franchise, Cowher helps him get there a bit faster and he knows how the organization was ran.The main thing Clark wanted, back when all that Steelers-worship talk was going on, was stability, and a young coach with a very long tenure. That's why Haley was hired in the first place. They wanted a GM/HC pairing that could last years together, like the Steelers, like the Patriots, even like the Chiefs in their Martyocrity heyday. Cowher is the complete opposite of that (of course so was Crennel).

theelusiveeightrop
10-15-2012, 10:49 AM
Marty and Carl are steps backward. Doesn't Arizona have a coordinator we can waste our time on again?

ChiefMojo
10-15-2012, 10:50 AM
Dallas good question but some of these coaches we may want are going to ask for a lot of personnel power.

theelusiveeightrop
10-15-2012, 10:53 AM
Is it bad when one can't remember where one left the car keys? Damn.

dallaschiefsfan
10-15-2012, 10:54 AM
Dallas good question but some of these coaches we may want are going to ask for a lot of personnel power.

Yeah...that's why I still think the way to go is with a young, hungry coach that doesn't have the clout to ask for extreme personnel powers.

Dicky McElephant
10-15-2012, 10:55 AM
Bring in Marc Ross.

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 10:57 AM
As I got through the rest of the thread, I see mine was a little bit of a Q and that the Harbaugh/Cowher comp has already been made.

I disagree a little bit with the idea that you can't win using the Harbaugh model these days. You can - but you have to do a better job of it than Marty ever did.

Let's not act like the Niners wouldn't air it out and attack if they had the QB to do it. Let's not act like Harbaugh isn't actively searching for one (afterall, he is said to love Kaepernick). What Harbaugh is doing is getting his entire team to buy into a kill or be killed mentality and having them go out there and play hard every day. He's maximizing his talent and winning games with a squad that really is not as good as its record.

If Kaepernick is actually good, Harbaugh will have that team kicking the !@#$ out of the NFC for years. If he isn't, Harbaugh will absolutely continue to try to find someone that is. He'll also mellow out a bit as he goes forward as a HC. That kind of leadership is great when you're winning but rings hollow when you're losing. Once the Niners hit a rough patch, Harbaugh will learn how to soft shoe it a little bit as well.

Cowher did the same thing. In fact, Cowher also eventually learned the value of the QB position.

Will Cowher win a SB here? You'd make a hell of a lot more money betting 'no' than yes. But y'know what, the odds suggest that Jim Harbaugh won't be winning one in Baltimore. They suggest that Ken Wisenhunt won't win one in Arizona.

Face it - the odds strongly suggest that whoever we hire isn't going to be a SB winner for us, so that's a real dipshit way of gauging the hire. And for all the 'hot young coaches' that have come through the league over the last decade, it's still the old farts like BB, Coghlin, Dungy and Cowher that were winning most of those SBs. Tomlin got one using Cowher's personnel and staff. By and large, crusty asshole football coaches are still winning football games in large numbers. This idea that we need some 13 yr old offensive wunderkind running the show is just asinine. Do we need some fresh ideas on offense? Yup, probably. That's why you have coordinators. That's not what you'd be bringing in your HC for and it's certainly not what you'd have Cowher doing here.

Phobia
10-15-2012, 10:58 AM
If he was fired this week, would it be the first time Maas has actually been right about something?

No. He once said, "We could get into a lot of trouble if we get caught doing this."

Brainiac
10-15-2012, 11:02 AM
You can't win with Marty's formula in the NFL anymore.

The league is centered on the QB. You can't defend well enough to win with Matt Cassel. You can't hit the QB, you can't hit receivers or even defend them the way you could ten years ago, let alone 20.

You can't just sit on the ball for four quarters and kick a field goal. The league has passed that style of play by.
Have you forgotten about the time Marty spent as head coach of the Chargers? They ran a high-powered pass-oriented offense.

Dicky McElephant
10-15-2012, 11:03 AM
For once I would just like us to bring in a head coach that does just that.....be the head coach. Hire coordinators that are allowed to do their fucking jobs.

ChiefMojo
10-15-2012, 11:04 AM
True but we can't go the coordinator route right now with the State of our franchise. There seems to be no Jim Harbaugh out there in the college ranks either.

DaKCMan AP
10-15-2012, 11:05 AM
So why was Clark in Tampa at the game? Was there a soccer game going on near by?

To see DaKCMan AP.

dallaschiefsfan
10-15-2012, 11:05 AM
As I got through the rest of the thread, I see mine was a little bit of a Q and that the Harbaugh/Cowher comp has already been made.

I disagree a little bit with the idea that you can't win using the Harbaugh model these days. You can - but you have to do a better job of it than Marty ever did.

Let's not act like the Niners wouldn't air it out and attack if they had the QB to do it. Let's not act like Harbaugh isn't actively searching for one (afterall, he is said to love Kaepernick). What Harbaugh is doing is getting his entire team to buy into a kill or be killed mentality and having them go out there and play hard every day. He's maximizing his talent and winning games with a squad that really is not as good as its record.

If Kaepernick is actually good, Harbaugh will have that team kicking the !@#$ out of the NFC for years. If he isn't, Harbaugh will absolutely continue to try to find someone that is. He'll also mellow out a bit as he goes forward as a HC. That kind of leadership is great when you're winning but rings hollow when you're losing. Once the Niners hit a rough patch, Harbaugh will learn how to soft shoe it a little bit as well.

Cowher did the same thing. In fact, Cowher also eventually learned the value of the QB position.

Will Cowher win a SB here? You'd make a hell of a lot more money betting 'no' than yes. But y'know what, the odds suggest that Jim Harbaugh won't be winning one in Baltimore. They suggest that Ken Wisenhunt won't win one in Arizona.

Face it - the odds strongly suggest that whoever we hire isn't going to be a SB winner for us, so that's a real dipshit way of gauging the hire. And for all the 'hot young coaches' that have come through the league over the last decade, it's still the old farts like BB, Coghlin, Dungy and Cowher that were winning most of those SBs. Tomlin got one using Cowher's personnel and staff. By and large, crusty asshole football coaches are still winning football games in large numbers. This idea that we need some 13 yr old offensive wunderkind running the show is just asinine. Do we need some fresh ideas on offense? Yup, probably. That's why you have coordinators. That's not what you'd be bringing in your HC for and it's certainly not what you'd have Cowher doing here.

Sure...there's a lot of evidence that guys strike gold on the 2nd team they coach. Most of those guys are still going to be on the young side. I actually can't recall the guys that are looking for their 2nd coaching opportunity that are good prospects.

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 11:08 AM
Have you forgotten about the time Marty spent as head coach of the Chargers? They ran a high-powered pass-oriented offense.

They ran similar offenses here.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes Martyball.

Martyball isn't always "3 yards and a cloud of dust".

However, Martyball IS getting 7 sacks in a game using extreme pressure and then running the prevent defense for the last half of the 4th quarter to try and sit on a lead.

Yes, the offense was pass-oriented in Sandy Eggo. But MARTY wasn't any different.

HemiEd
10-15-2012, 11:08 AM
I don't think anything will happen this week. Why? CHunt is too busy with the MLS right now to really notice that his NFL team is circling the bowl.

But OK, let's speculate ala Bill Maas (put away your coke and your gun for a minute...)

He could fire RAC. You have two former head coaches on staff, Zorn and Emmitt Thomas, who you could use to limp the team through the year.

He could fire Pioli. Put figurehead Jack Steadman in charge the rest of the year (the guy is a hood ornament anyway) until a new GM is hired in 2013. Or you could promote Mark Donovan to GM until a new GM is hired. Or CHunt could bring in Marty or Bill Polian as GM.

But I bet they'll do nothing until the end of the year. They may not even fire anybody. They may just throw Cassel under the bus and act like that'll solve everything.
They need to get rid of RAC as soon as possible IMO, like yesterday. They need to get some structure and discipline back for some of this young talent.

I know you are being funny, but I think Clark cares very much about this team and will hopefully do the right thing this time.

CoMoChief
10-15-2012, 11:09 AM
Les Miles



(ducking head)

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 11:10 AM
Jim Harbaugh ELEVATES QB play brilliantly. Cowher doesn't.

Saying it doesn't make it true.

Cowher was able to make chicken salad out of a huge mix of chicken shit while in Pittsburgh.

Neil O'Donnell? Kordell Stewart? Tommy Maddux? That's just an absolute parade of garbage quarterbacks, not a one of them had NFL talent. None of them even had the talent that Alex Smith has.

He made passable quarterbacks out of each of those guys (asking him to do it with Mike Tomczak was expecting miracles; that's too much for Jesus himself). No, he didn't turn any of them into superstars, but WTF do you want out of him? Harbaugh hasn't made Smith a superstar either, he's just gameplanned around him. And are you honest to Christ going to try to give him credit for Andrew !@#$ing Luck? Give me a break.

Oh, and lets not act like he didn't play any role in Ben Roethlisberger. Big Ben had 2 of the most effective years of his career in his rookie and Soph season before he struggled in his 3rd year. In essense, with a green as hell mid-major rookie at the helm, Cowher did exactly what Harbaugh is presently doing with Smith. He put Ben in positions to succeed and tried to minimize the spots where he could do significant damage. In the process he tried to develop him into a guy that could run the show on his own. He jumped the gun on the process in year 3, but Ben learned a TON that season and was ready to go in year 4.

Jim Harbaugh is essentially a carbon copy of Bill Cowher.

Ace Gunner
10-15-2012, 11:11 AM
"He made passable quarterbacks out of each of those guys."

I must have missed that.

MotherfuckerJones
10-15-2012, 11:14 AM
We're doomed they had nick athan on before Maas and Maas said he agreed with athan maybe athan is Maas' source

KCDC
10-15-2012, 11:14 AM
Honestly, I would settle for a public statement from Clark addressing fan concerns and team direction. This season is done, anyway. Hell... given the quarterback and coaching choices, this season was done before the Chiefs ever had mini-camps. Clark wouldn't even have to name names, but he could make it clear that he expects the people in charge to know what went wrong and to have the capacity to develop and implement plans to correct what went wrong. He could make it clear that "I don't know" isn't an acceptable answer at press conferences. He could make it clear that he (Clark) understands this is now a quarterback league and that the Chiefs fully intend to participate in this league.

A sensible voice in the mob. :thumb:

Dave Lane
10-15-2012, 11:16 AM
For once I would just like us to bring in a head coach that does just that.....be the head coach. Hire coordinators that are allowed to do their ****ing jobs.

It starts with the GM here.

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 11:19 AM
"He made passable quarterbacks out of each of those guys."

I must have missed that.

Only because you forget that the rules even 5 years ago did not allow for the video game offenses of today. You have to alter the grading curve for the 90s and early 2000s when Cowher was coaching.

Tommy Maddox was getting MVP consideration in 2002. Kordell Stewart was 'SLASH!' and getting all kinds of love. Neil O'Donnell signed a MASSIVE free-agent deal with the Jets after being a slightly above average QB with the Steelers for 5 years. He was honestly considered one of those coveted 'franchise QBs' when he left Pitt.

If you don't want to give him credit for anything, well then you won't. But I don't see how you can look at the way he was able to win with the marginal talent he had at QB and not give him credit for figuring out how to use those guys.

jimhitter
10-15-2012, 11:24 AM
Marty, 13-3, playoff HFA, Steve Bono, Lin Elliot. Jim Harbaugh comes in to Arrowhead and eliminates the Chiefs. Marty, Girlbac, no Rich Gannon, malfunctioning headset. Horseface comes in to Arrowhead and eliminates the Chiefs. I don't want anymore of this crap. I love Marty but he had his chance.

Ace Gunner
10-15-2012, 11:26 AM
Only because you forget that the rules even 5 years ago did not allow for the video game offenses of today. You have to alter the grading curve for the 90s and early 2000s when Cowher was coaching.

Tommy Maddox was getting MVP consideration in 2002. Kordell Stewart was 'SLASH!' and getting all kinds of love. Neil O'Donnell signed a MASSIVE free-agent deal with the Jets after being a slightly above average QB with the Steelers for 5 years. He was honestly considered one of those coveted 'franchise QBs' when he left Pitt.

If you don't want to give him credit for anything, well then you won't. But I don't see how you can look at the way he was able to win with the marginal talent he had at QB and not give him credit for figuring out how to use those guys.

It took him fourteen years to win a championship as the HC of the most decorated franchise in the NFL.

Cowher is a very good coach, but he's no HOF and his expertise has never been QB's or offense, it's been defense. The QB's you list never improved during their careers. That was my point.

Tom H is a former NFL QB, so uh, his expertise is obvious. Or should be.

ChiefsCountry
10-15-2012, 11:26 AM
Here is the compromise for the Marty/Cowher crowd and the non Marty/Cowher crowd.
http://www.packers.com/team/staff/russ-ball/b42d75d1-310e-4916-9f4e-7567ed7712e0/
That should be our man for General Manager.

BossChief
10-15-2012, 11:29 AM
Cowher of all people would know that it takes a Franchise QB to win in this league. Could never win the big one,draft Big Ben...poof SuperBowl

Cowher has said a few times that he wouldn't return unless it was a job with a good qb...the flip side is he also said (prior to the Baltimore game) that he wouldn't bench Cassel.

BigCatDaddy
10-15-2012, 11:29 AM
Here is the compromise for the Marty/Cowher crowd and the non Marty/Cowher crowd.
http://www.packers.com/team/staff/russ-ball/b42d75d1-310e-4916-9f4e-7567ed7712e0/
That should be our man for General Manager.

I say no just based on the hair.

notorious
10-15-2012, 11:30 AM
...the flip side is he also said (prior to the Baltimore game) that he wouldn't bench Cassel.

That right there should disqualify him.

jimhitter
10-15-2012, 11:31 AM
Here is the compromise for the Marty/Cowher crowd and the non Marty/Cowher crowd.
http://www.packers.com/team/staff/russ-ball/b42d75d1-310e-4916-9f4e-7567ed7712e0/
That should be our man for General Manager.

Go Mules!

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 11:33 AM
It took him fourteen years to win a championship as the HC of the most decorated franchise in the NFL.

Cowher is a very good coach, but he's no HOF and his expertise has never been QB's or offense, it's been defense.

Tom H is a former NFL QB, so uh, his expertise is obvious. Or should be.

Alternatively you could say that it took him 4 seasons to make it to the Super Bowl after taking over a team that had been in the playoffs once in the last 7 years and went on to average 10 wins/season over a 15 year career. That very same 'decorated' franchise had won 10 games in a season exactly once in the decade before he took over.

Bill Cowher was an exceptional head coach and to argue otherwise is just stupid. Is he still a great one? Hell, I dunno - maybe the game has passed him by. But it looks to me like a team like SF - that does what Cowher wanted to do well, is still able to win games in this league.

Chocolate Hog
10-15-2012, 11:33 AM
I like Marc Ross. I think another guy who could be good is Tom Gamble. Dude was apart of 14 different playoff teams.

ChiefsCountry
10-15-2012, 11:42 AM
But it looks to me like a team like SF - that does what Cowher wanted to do well, is still able to win games in this league.

If you can play great defense and run the ball you can always win football games no matter what. The difference is do you have the quarterback that can make plays when you need to.

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 11:43 AM
If you can play great defense and run the ball you can always win football games no matter what. The difference is do you have the quarterback that can make plays when you need to.

And I think Cowher absolutely realizes that. Why would hiring Cowher and drafting Geno or Barkley or even Wilson not be similar to having Cowher's Steelers draft Big Ben and then win the SB twice in the next 5 years?

Rausch
10-15-2012, 11:43 AM
Cowher has said a few times that he wouldn't return unless it was a job with a good qb...the flip side is he also said (prior to the Baltimore game) that he wouldn't bench Cassel.

It's a tight knit group...

keg in kc
10-15-2012, 11:47 AM
You don't want Cowher. Or Marty. Or any other retread.

What you want is the next Cowher. The not-yet-proven young guy with fire and energy and a will to succeed. Not the guy who's already been there, done that and now bored in the studio, looking to rediscover lost glory.

You don't stop trying to find that just because Haley flamed out.

FAX
10-15-2012, 11:53 AM
You don't want Cowher. Or Marty. Or any other retread.

What you want is the next Cowher. The not-yet-proven young guy with fire and energy and a will to succeed. Not the guy who's already been there, done that and now bored in the studio, looking to rediscover lost glory.

You don't stop trying to find that just because Haley flamed out.

Exactly. And well said.

FAX

htismaqe
10-15-2012, 11:55 AM
You don't want Cowher. Or Marty. Or any other retread.

What you want is the next Cowher. The not-yet-proven young guy with fire and energy and a will to succeed. Not the guy who's already been there, done that and now bored in the studio, looking to rediscover lost glory.

You don't stop trying to find that just because Haley flamed out.

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

Rausch
10-15-2012, 11:56 AM
You don't stop trying...

This.

We don't have a legit GM or HC or QB.

Keep swinging.

You keep keep on trying.

And, Clark, if you don't, why should we?...

Dicky McElephant
10-15-2012, 11:57 AM
Go fucking hire Marc Ross from the Giants.

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 12:03 PM
You don't want Cowher. Or Marty. Or any other retread.

What you want is the next Cowher. The not-yet-proven young guy with fire and energy and a will to succeed. Not the guy who's already been there, done that and now bored in the studio, looking to rediscover lost glory.

You don't stop trying to find that just because Haley flamed out.

Certainly a fair perspective.

Like I said - I don't favor Cowher, but I'm not willing to say he can't work here.

My guy is still Perry Fewell (though shockingly enough, Fewell is still only 5 years younger than Cowher). If we keep Pioli we're going to hire Pepper Johnson.

How about this - what if you bring in Cowher and Keith Butler as the DC? Cowher coaches for a few more years and turns the reigns over to Butler, who appears to have some pretty good chops for the job and learned under the guy that I still think is the best DC of my lifetime (LeBeau).

Is Casey Bradley the next Cowher? Mike Zimmer deserves a shot at a HC gig, but he's the same age as Cowher.

Here's my thing - if Sean Payton got fired, people here would immediately disregard the 'you don't hire a former SB winner' mantra and want him. Why? Because he knows how to coach, he's been a huge winner and he does a lot of things you want to see from a HC. He also still has the energy to do the job.

I think Cowher has a lot of that as well. Are there better options? Yeah, probably, but I'll be honest, right now I want a credible football team that I can enjoy every weekend. Bill Cowher will give me that. If we go with someone like Bradley, sure he could be the next Cowher.

He could also be the next Jack Del Rio. I'm not sure I have enough patience left to slog through a failed hire here.

I can absolutely live with bringing in Cowher, especially if he can bring Butler with him as the HCOTF.

cdcox
10-15-2012, 12:07 PM
No Chiefs GM has ever drafted a QB that started 2 full seasons for KC.

...

Mike Livingston disagrees.

notorious
10-15-2012, 12:08 PM
I say "yes" to anyone that Lebeau has taught.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 12:08 PM
Mike Livingston disagrees.

I'm sure there's a good reason why I don't know who that is...

DaneMcCloud
10-15-2012, 12:09 PM
Hindsight is always a perfect 20/20. Based upon the information available at the time, Pioli was a very solid choice. I don't think you can blame Marty for not knowing that Pioli would turn out to be such a train wreck. EVERYBODY supported the hire at the time.

Bringing Marty back in some role would be the best thing this screwed up team could do. Marty has ALWAYS turned shit teams into solid winning teams. ALWAYS.

Is he too old to be a head coach again? Probably. Expecting him to come back at his advanced age and instantly turn the team into a winner would be like expecting Bill Snyder to be able to do that at K-State. It's impossible.

Not one team has even considered hiring Marty Schottenheimer since he was fired after the 2006 NFL season. NOT ONE.

The guy couldn't find work anywhere but the UFL. And this is a guy some people advocate?

JFC, what a dumbass fan base.

Brock
10-15-2012, 12:10 PM
I'm sure there's a good reason why I don't know who that is...

Because you were like 3 when he retired.

Fritz88
10-15-2012, 12:10 PM
Is Bill Maas reliable?
Posted via Mobile Device

cdcox
10-15-2012, 12:10 PM
Mike Livingston disagrees.

He was a pro bowler in '69 to boot.

Rausch
10-15-2012, 12:11 PM
Because you were like 3 when he retired.

I was a good idea in my dad's head when Lenny won a ring but I know who he is...

the Talking Can
10-15-2012, 12:11 PM
Is Bill Maas reliable?
Posted via Mobile Device

are whores virgins?

dallaschiefsfan
10-15-2012, 12:12 PM
I mentioned it in another thread, but it's generally the guy with his 2nd opportunity to head coach that seems to do well. Of course, plenty of those guys just re-confirm that they're crap (see Crennel). I'm leaning toward wanting a young guy that has already been a head coach...had SOME success and has learned from his mistakes and ready to implement his 2.0 approach to coaching.

DaneMcCloud
10-15-2012, 12:12 PM
Any chance that Marty would just want a GM position? The guy knew how to put teams together.

Dude, no, he didn't.

Marty's personnel decisions led to the 1998 breakdown season.

He was fired in Washington for trying to wrestle personnel from Vinny Cerato.

He was fired in San Diego for trying to wrestle personnel control from A.J. Smith.

Marty may have been the "Chuck Knox" of the NFL, but he certainly wasn't Ron Wolf or Ernie Accorsi or George Young.

Tribal Warfare
10-15-2012, 12:18 PM
are whores virgins?

it depends on the orifice

DJ's left nut
10-15-2012, 12:20 PM
it depends on the orifice

Not really.