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chop
10-16-2012, 12:46 PM
I saw this Mock draft over at http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft and thought some of you might like to see it.

<TABLE class=data width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=title><TD colSpan=3>Mock Draft</TD></TR><TR class=subtitle><TD colSpan=3>Rob Rang - 10/11/2012</TD></TR><TR id=special class=label><TD>Team</TD><TD colSpan=2>Player</TD></TR><TR class=row1 align=right><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nfl/gamecenter/icons/KC.gif</TD><TD align=left>1. Geno Smith (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664302), QB
6-3, 220, West Virginia
</TD><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/football/nfl/players/60x80/1664302.jpg</TD></TR><TR class=row2 align=right><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nfl/gamecenter/icons/CLE.gif</TD><TD align=left>2. Johnathan Hankins (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1785812), DT
6-3, 320, Ohio State
</TD><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/football/nfl/players/60x80/1785812.jpg</TD></TR><TR class=row1 align=right><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nfl/gamecenter/icons/JAC.gif</TD><TD align=left>3. Jarvis Jones (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664190), OLB
6-2, 242, Georgia
</TD><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/football/nfl/players/60x80/1664190.jpg</TD></TR><TR class=row2 align=right><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nfl/gamecenter/icons/TEN.gif</TD><TD align=left>4. Star Lotulelei (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1801107), DT
6-3, 320, Utah
</TD><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/football/nfl/players/60x80/1801107.jpg</TD></TR><TR class=row1 align=right><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nfl/gamecenter/icons/TB.gif</TD><TD align=left>5. Luke Joeckel (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737240), OT
6-6, 310, Texas A&M
</TD><TD align=center>http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/football/nfl/players/60x80/1737240.jpg</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


This is just a tease though. The Chiefs will probably go on a 6 game win streak to finish the season dropping them down a few spots.

BossChief
10-16-2012, 12:48 PM
If Pioli is still the GM, he WILL pick Star Lotulelei and move Poe to DE.

Believe it because its the truth.

Marco Polo
10-16-2012, 12:49 PM
No way only one QB gets selected in the Top 5. This is fun to think about anyway.

DJ's left nut
10-16-2012, 12:50 PM
Here's the problem though - this guy's brilliant analysis:

Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Matt Cassel is not the problem in Kansas City but few are willing to characterize him as the "answer," either. Should the Chiefs struggle again in 2012, it might be difficult for both general manager Scott Pioli and head coach Romeo Crennel to keep their job without infusing some new blood in the position. To infuse some excitement into a fan base desperately in need of it, the Chiefs will pounce on the elite quarterback available. At least at this point, that clearly has been the Mountaineers' Smith.

Oh really, fucko? Just exactly who is the problem then? Unless you're going up the ladder to the two guys you seem to think should be able to keep their jobs next year, I'm not sure where else you could be pointing.

The national media is 1000 different types of goddamn worthless.

Micjones
10-16-2012, 12:52 PM
What better way to celebrate on the 30 year anniversary of the last QB taken in Round 1?
That will be one beautiful day. If it actually happens...I'll host a ChiefsPlanet party that weekend in Kansas City.

Pestilence
10-16-2012, 12:54 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Jacksonville - Geno Smith
2. Kansas City - Matt Barkley

Buckweath
10-16-2012, 01:14 PM
What better way to celebrate on the 30 year anniversary of the last QB taken in Round 1?
That will be one beautiful day. If it actually happens...I'll host a ChiefsPlanet party that weekend in Kansas City.

I personnally hope they take not only a Qb in round 1, but another in round 2 or 3. This team has been killed by poor QB play for so long, there's no such thing as too much when will come the time to draft QBs next year.

Micjones
10-16-2012, 01:14 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Jacksonville - Geno Smith
2. Kansas City - Matt Barkley

That works too!

I can't see Jacksonville giving up on Gabbert after just two years though.
He was a Top 10 pick.

ChiefsCountry
10-16-2012, 01:15 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Jacksonville - Geno Smith
2. Kansas City - Matt Barkley

I likey.

Sofa King
10-16-2012, 01:18 PM
That works too!

I can't see Jacksonville giving up on Gabbert after just two years though.
He was a Top 10 pick.

Gabbert has been terrible. They would dump him in a heartbeat.

MIAdragon
10-16-2012, 01:19 PM
http://www.hotchyx.com/adult-image-hosting-02/1448Boner.jpg

Micjones
10-16-2012, 01:20 PM
Gabbert has been terrible. They would dump him in a heartbeat.

I've seen worse.
Giving up on a Top 10 pick at QB in fewer than three years is crazy to me.

Pestilence
10-16-2012, 01:21 PM
I've seen worse.
Giving up on a Top 10 pick at QB in fewer than three years is crazy to me.

The cost money wise is cheap. They can easily dump Gabbert and draft Smith. Shit....they don't even have to dump Gabbert. Stick him behind Smith and see if he can develop into a backup.

Pestilence
10-16-2012, 01:21 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Jacksonville - Geno Smith
2. Kansas City - Matt Barkley

Our 2nd round pick.

Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

Kansas City's new quarterback will need a new receiver if Dwayne Bowe leaves. I wouldn't spend the money on Bowe; he's overrated because he's inconsistent and piles up most of his stats in garbage time. He was responsible for both of Matt Cassel's interceptions against the Ravens.

Micjones
10-16-2012, 01:22 PM
The cost money wise is cheap. They can easily dump Gabbert and draft Smith. Shit....they don't even have to dump Gabbert. Stick him behind Smith and see if he can develop into a backup.

I just think that's pretty unprecedented in the NFL. Maybe we'll see more of that going forward with the CBA changes, but how often have we seen a team flat give up on a Top 10 QB after just 2 years?

Pestilence
10-16-2012, 01:26 PM
I would JIMP if we got Geno Smith and T.J. McDonald with our first two picks.

Sorter
10-16-2012, 03:34 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Jacksonville - Geno Smith
2. Kansas City - Matt Barkley

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/saidaisuke9/FUUU.png

Buckweath
10-16-2012, 03:41 PM
I don't believe for one second that the Chiefs are getting Smith, because just like last year, this team is too talented not to win a few games. That being said, I'll be more than happy with Barkley or Wilson.

Buckweath
10-16-2012, 03:43 PM
Gabbert has been terrible. They would dump him in a heartbeat.

Pioli would give Gabbert another year.

DaneMcCloud
10-16-2012, 03:49 PM
I don't believe for one second that the Chiefs are getting Smith, because just like last year, this team is too talented not to win a few games. That being said, I'll be more than happy with Barkley or Wilson.

This team won't win another game this year

BoneKrusher
10-16-2012, 03:53 PM
If Pioli is still the GM, he WILL pick Star Lotulelei and move Poe to DE.

Believe it because its the truth.

i believe it, Pioli and his Patriot way grooming a QB would be comical w/o BB.

Sorter
10-16-2012, 04:24 PM
This team won't win another game this year

I do think that having Romeo as our head coach increases our chances of going 1-15.

BoneKrusher
10-16-2012, 04:25 PM
I do think that having Romeo as our head coach increases our chances of going 1-15.

i agree, the guy just doesn't get enough credit from the national media.

WV
10-16-2012, 04:26 PM
That's it, our next banner better read GO JAGS!

ReynardMuldrake
10-16-2012, 04:26 PM
This team won't win another game this year

The whole team has given up. It's clear they don't even try anymore. I don't see us winning more than 1 more game, if that.

Sorter
10-16-2012, 04:27 PM
i agree, the guy just doesn't get enough credit from the national media.

It really is a shame. Damn east-coast bias.

Sorter
10-16-2012, 04:27 PM
That's it, our next banner better read GO JAGS!

this made me lol irl.

Count Alex's Wins
10-16-2012, 04:31 PM
spank my weeno
we got us geno

BoneKrusher
10-16-2012, 04:31 PM
It really is a shame. Damn east-coast bias.

yeah, they just will not accept Pats West.

Count Alex's Wins
10-16-2012, 04:31 PM
This team won't win another game this year

Does that include playoff games? :evil:

ChiefMojo
10-16-2012, 08:14 PM
As long as we are one of the top two picks we should be fine as shown that will net us at least one of the two top QB's.

Woodchuck
10-16-2012, 08:17 PM
I can't see Geno going in the top five right now. I think Barkley will go top five and maybe Wilson but not Geno. I doubt he even goes top 10.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-16-2012, 08:17 PM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1822ayrzhsq8sgif/original.gif

Woodchuck
10-16-2012, 08:19 PM
Where have we seen that before? We know that kind of leadership.

Pitt Gorilla
10-16-2012, 08:22 PM
I think it moved.

Woodchuck
10-16-2012, 08:25 PM
I think it moved.

Maybe it did but, we need a QB that is tough enough to drink a bug.

tredadda
10-16-2012, 11:04 PM
This team won't win another game this year

The only games that still have me worried are the Oakland and Cleveland games. Oakland played Atl tight but they are equally capable of sucking as much as us and I am not ready to say Cleveland will beat us after one good game against Cincy (a division rival).

tredadda
10-16-2012, 11:06 PM
I can't see Geno going in the top five right now. I think Barkley will go top five and maybe Wilson but not Geno. I doubt he even goes top 10.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqP1B-gkeIhe8-4TOGvgTOMC7DlObN6jdN93a8Pmo61l-LYL-c

Flachief58
10-16-2012, 11:13 PM
The only games that still have me worried are the Oakland and Cleveland games. Oakland played Atl tight but they are equally capable of sucking as much as us and I am not ready to say Cleveland will beat us after one good game against Cincy (a division rival).

The browns looked decent against the steelers too. They should have no problems defeating this team. If this team keeps playing the way they have, I see them going 2-14 and being in great position for one of the top QBs. Of course if pussholy is still the GM, he'll trade down & then draft a developmental QB in the 6th who can learn from the greatness that is Casshole for a couple of years :banghead:

tredadda
10-16-2012, 11:16 PM
The browns looked decent against the steelers too. They should have no problems defeating this team. If this team keeps playing the way they have, I see them going 2-14 and being in great position for one of the top QBs. Of course if pussholy is still the GM, he'll trade down & then draft a developmental QB in the 6th

I hope he is not still around to do just that. I imagine the backlash might be too much for even him to handle. It would make what is going on right now look mild.

Cannibal
10-16-2012, 11:25 PM
I haven't seen geno smith play. Is he being overhyped? His scouting says he plays almost exclusively from the shotgun. Will that hurt his transition? How does he compare to Luck and RGIII in terms of actually being worth the # 1 pick? We CANNOT afford to get this one wrong.

Bump
10-16-2012, 11:27 PM
What's gonna happen when Pioli takes one of them DT's?

Meltdown will be brought to a whole 'notha level

hometeam
10-16-2012, 11:36 PM
I haven't seen geno smith play. Is he being overhyped? His scouting says he plays almost exclusively from the shotgun. Will that hurt his transition? How does he compare to Luck and RGIII in terms of actually being worth the # 1 pick? We CANNOT afford to get this one wrong.


My guess is that he WILL be the #1 pick barring injury or miracle.

Cannibal
10-16-2012, 11:40 PM
My guess is that he WILL be the #1 pick barring injury or miracle.

I'm afraid we'll finally get an upper 1st round QB and he'll be a bust. The dude isn't getting the legitimate hype the Luck and RGIII were getting

KCrockaholic
10-16-2012, 11:43 PM
I'm afraid we'll finally get an upper 1st round QB and he'll be a bust. The dude isn't getting the legitimate hype the Luck and RGIII were getting

Being scared of drafting a QB in the 1st is for conservatives. It's why we haven't won anything in 20 years.

And if Geno ends up being a mistake, that sucks. But that doesn't mean we should quit. It means we try again in 2015 or so.

hometeam
10-16-2012, 11:46 PM
I'm afraid we'll finally get an upper 1st round QB and he'll be a bust. The dude isn't getting the legitimate hype the Luck and RGIII were getting

Geno thread - 1500+ replies

Tyler thread - 125 replies

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SNR
10-16-2012, 11:49 PM
I'm afraid we'll finally get an upper 1st round QB and he'll be a bust. The dude isn't getting the legitimate hype the Luck and RGIII were getting

Neither did Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton.

Hell, when's the last time a #1 overall QB pick busted? Like REALLY busted. I consider Sam Bradford not worth that pick at all, but I wouldn't call him a bust at all.

#1 overall QBs don't bust anymore. They just don't.

SNR
10-16-2012, 11:50 PM
Being scared of drafting a QB in the 1st is for conservatives. It's why we haven't won anything in 20 years.

And if Geno ends up being a mistake, that sucks. But that doesn't mean we should quit. It means we try again in 2015 or so.

Exactly. I'd rather bust hard on a QB than bust hard on another worthless fucking DT.

NJChiefsFan
10-16-2012, 11:51 PM
#1 overall QBs don't bust anymore. They just don't.

Easy now. Easy. We have enough working against us.

Cannibal
10-16-2012, 11:52 PM
Neither did Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton.

Hell, when's the last time a #1 overall QB pick busted? Like REALLY busted. I consider Sam Bradford not worth that pick at all, but I wouldn't call him a bust at all.

#1 overall QBs don't bust anymore. They just don't.

Hopefully you're right.

MoreLemonPledge
10-17-2012, 12:11 AM
Neither did Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton.

Hell, when's the last time a #1 overall QB pick busted? Like REALLY busted. I consider Sam Bradford not worth that pick at all, but I wouldn't call him a bust at all.

#1 overall QBs don't bust anymore. They just don't.

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2010/01/jamarcus-russell.jpg

Ebolapox
10-17-2012, 12:18 AM
Neither did Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton.

Hell, when's the last time a #1 overall QB pick busted? Like REALLY busted. I consider Sam Bradford not worth that pick at all, but I wouldn't call him a bust at all.

#1 overall QBs don't bust anymore. They just don't.

JaMarcus Russell

AussieChiefsFan
10-17-2012, 12:19 AM
B/R: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1370714-2013-nfl-mock-draft-matt-barkley-and-falling-1st-round-prospects/page/2

1. Kansas City Chiefs
-Geno Smith, Quarterback, West Virginia

AussieChiefsFan
10-17-2012, 12:20 AM
JaMarcus Russell

Does that really count? It was the raiders. And he isn't the usual #1 QB

SNR
10-17-2012, 12:41 AM
Does that really count? It was the raiders. And he isn't the usual #1 QB

We should be worried, though. Geno Smith just reminds me so much of Jamarcus Russell /Woodracist

Chris Meck
10-17-2012, 01:48 AM
I don't think it matters. You've got to take him. Unless for some reason your (better-fucking-be-new)coaching staff likes Barkley better. And if, by year two, you're not completely positive, then you'd better take the best available QB in round one that year too. Repeat fore-fucking-ever until you get your franchise guy.

The rules changes have just skewed so much for the offense that you can't win without a plus player at that position.

Saccopoo
10-17-2012, 03:45 AM
I can't see Geno going in the top five right now. I think Barkley will go top five and maybe Wilson but not Geno. I doubt he even goes top 10.

http://stumblerz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/s911_complete_moron.jpg

Saccopoo
10-17-2012, 03:51 AM
I haven't seen geno smith play. Is he being overhyped? His scouting says he plays almost exclusively from the shotgun. Will that hurt his transition? How does he compare to Luck and RGIII in terms of actually being worth the # 1 pick? We CANNOT afford to get this one wrong.

Yep.

Overhyped.

He sucks.

Can't throw a deep ball.

Goes fetal at the first sign of pressure.

Total shotgun, non-pocket passer.

Dump off, check down master.

System QB.

The guy sucks.

I hope we draft Manti T'eo.

mdchiefsfan
10-17-2012, 07:22 AM
Originally Posted by Pestilence
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Jacksonville - Geno Smith
2. Kansas City - Matt Barkley

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/saidaisuke9/FUUU.png

this

suds79
10-17-2012, 08:11 AM
I'm afraid we'll finally get an upper 1st round QB and he'll be a bust. The dude isn't getting the legitimate hype the Luck and RGIII were getting

So what are you saying? Because you're scared we should never do it? That doesn't make any sense.

Let put it to you this way. It's because of this is why I'm not scared of a QB busting at all. Lets say the worse possible thing happens and he is a bust. OOOHHH No. (sarcasm). You know what you do? You come back a few years later and try again.

Look at what SD did.

Leaf.= Bust. Then drafted Brees with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. Then came back again and drafted another 1st round QB. All this has gone on while we've sat pat.

The point of the story is you keep pouring high draft picks into that spot until you feel you've got it right.

theelusiveeightrop
10-17-2012, 08:14 AM
Dabol could "upcoach" JaMarcus, and make him an elite QB. No doubt.

bevischief
10-17-2012, 08:14 AM
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Jacksonville - Geno Smith
2. Kansas City - Matt Barkley

:banghead:

Buckweath
10-17-2012, 08:19 AM
Being scared of drafting a QB in the 1st is for conservatives. It's why we haven't won anything in 20 years.

And if Geno ends up being a mistake, that sucks. But that doesn't mean we should quit. It means we try again in 2015 or so.

This team should draft a QB with its first round pick and another with its 2nd or 3rd round pick, especially if we don't have to trade up and give multiple picks. Doing that, if ever we're unlucky enough that our 1st round QB busts, then we maybe get lucky with our other QB prospect, and maybe he turns to be Russell Wilson like.

Woodchuck
10-17-2012, 08:26 AM
We should be worried, though. Geno Smith just reminds me so much of Jamarcus Russell /Woodracist

He's not like Russell at all. What I think could happen is that Geno could wind up like Taylor Mays. First, he gets elevated into the Top 10 in everyone's draft boards. Then, he drops into the teens. Then, he has a great combine and pro day. Last, he goes in the second round.

Maybe Geno will be great? If we take him, I hope he is the next Joe Montana but, right now I am concerned there is alot of hype. There is no Andrew Luck in this class.

suds79
10-17-2012, 08:28 AM
There is no Andrew Luck in this class.

Who said there was? Yeah nothing we can do about that now. Got to move on.

mdchiefsfan
10-17-2012, 08:29 AM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1822ayrzhsq8sgif/original.gif

ROFL

Woodchuck
10-17-2012, 08:33 AM
Who said there was? Yeah nothing we can do about that now. Got to move on.

The point is to look at all of them before crowning a guy week two. Especially since there is no Andrew Luck.

Micjones
10-17-2012, 08:41 AM
This team should draft a QB with its first round pick and another with its 2nd or 3rd round pick, especially if we don't have to trade up and give multiple picks. Doing that, if ever we're unlucky enough that our 1st round QB busts, then we maybe get lucky with our other QB prospect, and maybe he turns to be Russell Wilson like.

That makes absolutely no sense.
There aren't enough reps in the world to try developing three different QB's at one time. You'd probably only keep two of them, at best, anyway.

SNR
10-17-2012, 08:45 AM
He's not like Russell at all. What I think could happen is that Geno could wind up like Taylor Mays. First, he gets elevated into the Top 10 in everyone's draft boards. Then, he drops into the teens. Then, he has a great combine and pro day. Last, he goes in the second round.

Maybe Geno will be great? If we take him, I hope he is the next Joe Montana but, right now I am concerned there is alot of hype. There is no Andrew Luck in this class.
Andrew Luck is a once-in-10-years kind of guy you fucking moron.

Have you even seen Geno Smith play football? Have you actually watched a single fucking game of his? Or have all you done is let your already tiny dick get shriveled up when you heard the hype and then masturbated furiously when you heard the Texas Tech box score?

Ebolapox
10-17-2012, 08:49 AM
Andrew Luck is a once-in-10-years kind of guy you ****ing moron.

Have you even seen Geno Smith play football? Have you actually watched a single ****ing game of his? Or have all you done is let your already tiny dick get shriveled up when you heard the hype and then masturbated furiously when you heard the Texas Tech box score?

TOO RISKEE!

you know what's fucking hilarious? it's idiots like this that wanted NOTHING to do with suck for luck--OMG WE COULD MAKE TEH PLAYOFFS ANYWAY!

now, this year when we apparently ARE doing everything right, OMG THIS GUY ISN'T LUCK WE SHOULDN'T EVEN TRY.

...WHAT THE FUCK--YOU DUMBASSES DIDN'T WANT TO SUCK FOR LUCK, NOW YOU DON'T WANT TO SINK THE SHIP FOR SMITH? FUCK THE FUCK OFF

Woodchuck
10-17-2012, 08:51 AM
Andrew Luck is a once-in-10-years kind of guy you ****ing moron.

Have you even seen Geno Smith play football? Have you actually watched a single ****ing game of his? Or have all you done is let your already tiny dick get shriveled up when you heard the hype and then masturbated furiously when you heard the Texas Tech box score?

Andrew Luck was a once in 30 years kind of guy. I've watched Smith play football and he is good. Why are you so passionate about Geno? It's very odd. He is not a prospect that you can definatively say will be a good player. He's not like a Derrick Thomas for example. Is it different because he's a QB?

SNR
10-17-2012, 08:59 AM
Andrew Luck was a once in 30 years kind of guy. I've watched Smith play football and he is good. Why are you so passionate about Geno? It's very odd. He is not a prospect that you can definatively say will be a good player. He's not like a Derrick Thomas for example. Is it different because he's a QB?

Geno Smith > Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, Jamarcus Russell, Alex Smith

Outside of Andrew Luck, he's the best #1 overall QB prospect since Eli Manning. And if you want to go before Eli, Smith is better than Carson Palmer, David Carr, Michael Vick, and Tim Couch.

Smith is an above average QB prospect. Not just out of ALL QBs, but of #1 overall QBs. He's got the experience, the leadership, the arm, the body, and the smarts. It's all fucking there for the most part.

You're damn fucking right I'm passionate about Geno Smith. The Chiefs are going to draft a QB at #1 overall this spring and he's going to be the guy. I'm really fucking excited that we are finally doing this. We're finally joining the 21st century and getting a REAL honest-to-god home-grown QB. Not a backup. Not a vet free agent. We're not trading or signing. And we're not wishing and one hand and shitting in the other that a Thigpen or Croyle can beat the odds and maybe be the guy. We're doing what ALL great Super Bowl teams have done- we're drafting our own.

How can you NOT be passionate about Geno Smith is my question.

suds79
10-17-2012, 09:07 AM
The point is to look at all of them before crowning a guy week two. Especially since there is no Andrew Luck.

I can agree with that.

For me as it currently stands it's like this.

1 - Geno. Like his size, good arm strength, accuracy with a touch of mobility while still being a passer 1st.

2 - Tyler Wilson. Was really high on this guy coming into this year. Not sure what the problem is but that whole program is a mess. That and he's playing in the SEC so yeah the competition is tough. Amazing arm.

3 - Tyler Bray. Think I'm just in awe of the raw physical talent. Will acknowledge he's pretty erratic. But then he'll come back and make some throws only few NFL QBs can make.

4 - Matt Barkley. I really don't dislike him. I'm just not awed by anything he does. Maybe it's been all the years of watching weak armed KC QBs (except for Brokie) but I'm just tired of it. I think his arm strength is below average by NFL standards.

Woodchuck
10-17-2012, 09:08 AM
I am passionate about drafting a QB in the first round. You are right that it is time. We need our own home grown guy. It will be an exciting time and an injection of life into this organization.

Smith is one of the guys on the radar for sure but, it's still early. Barkley and Wilson look promising too. In my opinion, there are several of those #1 picks that were better prospects than Smith.

I think Smith will go in the #11 - #32 range. I think KC will pick in the #10 -20 range. I agree that we will probably wind up with Smith as he is the most likely to be on the board. I think Barkley and Wilson go top 10. I will be passionate about him if we take him.

Dave Lane
10-17-2012, 09:10 AM
Neither did Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton.

Hell, when's the last time a #1 overall QB pick busted? Like REALLY busted. I consider Sam Bradford not worth that pick at all, but I wouldn't call him a bust at all.

#1 overall QBs don't bust anymore. They just don't.

Russel says yo!

Valiant
10-17-2012, 09:10 AM
Man, we need that number 1 spot. I wat nothing to do with barkley. He is surrounded by five star talent and looks average. I do not understand why he gets so much praise. I mea if, IF, we get him, hopefully I am wrong and eat lots of crow.

suds79
10-17-2012, 09:12 AM
I think Smith will go in the #11 - #32 range. I think KC will pick in the #10 -20 range.

Given what our record is at this point, how we're playing & that we don't have a QB, I don't see how we could possibly climb into that range but I guess we'll find out.

The way I see it, as it currently stands, it'd take a miracle to climb out of drafting in the top 10... Not that I want to see that happen anyways. ;)

tredadda
10-17-2012, 09:12 AM
Andrew Luck was a once in 30 years kind of guy. I've watched Smith play football and he is good. Why are you so passionate about Geno? It's very odd. He is not a prospect that you can definatively say will be a good player. He's not like a Derrick Thomas for example. Is it different because he's a QB?

Last year was an exception to the rule. Rarely does a draft have a player of Luck's caliber, much less 2 (the last one might have been 2004 with Eli and Phillip). Right now it appears that Geno is the clear cut favorite out of this class. With QB being our biggest weakness by far (outside of HC and GM which you don't draft) you take him if you have the opportunity. To diminish him because he is not Luck or RGIII is foolish. Look at 2004, Big Ben was not Eli or Rivers (the clear cut top 2 QBs), yet he has turned out a great career that should end in Canton. If we fail with Geno, we try again till we get it right.

tredadda
10-17-2012, 09:14 AM
Russel says yo!

Russel went #1 because the Raiders are retards. This guy had way to many red flags leading up to the draft that should have prevented him from going #1. He went #1 because he could throw the ball like 70 yards from his knees or something like that.

the Talking Can
10-17-2012, 09:33 AM
We should be worried, though. Geno Smith just reminds me so much of Jamarcus Russell /Woodracist

ROFL

SNR
10-17-2012, 01:25 PM
I am passionate about drafting a QB in the first round. You are right that it is time. We need our own home grown guy. It will be an exciting time and an injection of life into this organization.

Smith is one of the guys on the radar for sure but, it's still early. Barkley and Wilson look promising too. In my opinion, there are several of those #1 picks that were better prospects than Smith.

I think Smith will go in the #11 - #32 range. I think KC will pick in the #10 -20 range. I agree that we will probably wind up with Smith as he is the most likely to be on the board. I think Barkley and Wilson go top 10. I will be passionate about him if we take him.
That's insane that you're Mr. Skeptical when it comes to Geno Smith, the QB who has shown by FAR the most talent out of any current NCAA QB going back three years. But Wilson and Barkley, who get their shit messed up WAY WORSE against great defenses, are likely to go in the top 10.

You can try and chalk it up to, "Don't get mad at me, it's just my prediction" but ALL evidence suggests your prediction is fucking wrong. If Geno Smith deserves all this skepticism, then why aren't you doing the same thing to Barkley and Wilson? WHAT THE FUCK HAVE THOSE TWO SLAPDICKS EVER PROVED? HMM?

I mean, that's the insane ridiculous standard you're setting here. None of the QBs are Andrew Luck, so I need to shit on them all. Except you're not doing that. You're shitting only on Geno. The other two get a pass because they're white guys in a pro system.

BossChief
10-17-2012, 01:35 PM
I watched a lot of RG3 and Ive watched most games of Geno this year and I have to say it. I don't really see a ton of difference in the two players AS PASSERS. RG3 seems to have more get up and go when the play breaks down, but that might ultimately hurt him long term. I think that if the Chiefs get Geno Smith and pair him with a coach like Andy Reid or even Bill Cohwer or McCoy, we would be really hard to beat NEXT YEAR.

CHENZ A!
10-17-2012, 01:39 PM
Well all I know is if we lose out on 5. Luke Joeckel, OT
6-6, 310, Texas A&M I'm going to be pissed

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2012, 02:18 PM
Here's the problem though - this guy's brilliant analysis:



Oh really, fucko? Just exactly who is the problem then? Unless you're going up the ladder to the two guys you seem to think should be able to keep their jobs next year, I'm not sure where else you could be pointing.

The national media is 1000 different types of goddamn worthless.

LMAO

evolve27
10-17-2012, 08:48 PM
I fucking hope Pissoli doesn't trade down and get us another fucking bust

O.city
10-17-2012, 08:50 PM
IMO, if you own the overall #1 pick, you likely suck shit and need a new QB anyway so you don't trade down.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-17-2012, 08:50 PM
per walterfootball mock 10/16

2. Kansas City Chiefs: Matt Barkley, QB, USC
The Chiefs are terrible. They need to clean house and start over. They have to fire people in the front office, including Scott Pioli, who has done an awful job. They also need to find a franchise quarterback. Luckily, they're currently projected to have a very early selection, which means they can draft either Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.

Barkley has had his ups and downs this season. but he'll be picked No. 2 overall because of the high demand for quarterbacks in the pass-heavy NFL.

FWIW...Geno went #1 to Jax.

evolve27
10-17-2012, 08:52 PM
IMO, if you own the overall #1 pick, you likely suck shit and need a new QB anyway so you don't trade down.

I keep hearing from people I talk too that they don't think he will draft a QB. Have we all been brainwashed to think that Pioli will land another Brady without actually drafting one?! This would hit us hard if we were to pass this year. Hell I wouldn't complain if he drafted two.

O.city
10-17-2012, 08:56 PM
First, I don't think Pioli is drafting for us this year, but if he has the #1 pick and doesn't take a Qb after all this, someone my do physical harm to him.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2012, 09:35 AM
First, I don't think Pioli is drafting for us this year, but if he has the #1 pick and doesn't take a Qb after all this, someone my do physical harm to him.

Someone? Try about 500 or more "someones".

Pestilence
10-19-2012, 10:05 AM
Charlie Campbell from WF.com posted his 3 round mock draft today.

2. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
The Chiefs are a disgrace. Kansas City needs to clean house in the front office. Scott Pioli has had years to address the quarterback position, but has failed to land a good starter or capable backup. That has to change this offseason and Geno Smith would be a good place to start. He has completed 75.3 percent of his passes this season for 2,271 yards, 25 touchdowns and zero interceptions.

The 6-foot-3, 214-pounder has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. The senior needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

Smith had an excellent 2011 season for the Mountaineers, too. The junior completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The West Virginia signal-caller played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

34. Eric Reid, S, LSU
Kansas City has to be worried about Eric Berry. He hasn't looked good this season coming back from his knee injury. Kendrick Lewis is a liability and the Chiefs could use more talent in the back end.

Reid (6-2, 208) has good size and is a hard hitter. He has good instincts that allow him to get in position to make plays.

The LSU secondary was filled with NFL talent last season, and Reid was integral member alongside Tyrann Mathieu, Morris Claiborne and Brandon Taylor. Reid totaled 65 tackles with two interceptions, two forced fumbles and three passes broken up as a sophomore in 2011.

The junior started this year with a mixed outing against North Texas. He had seven tackles, an interception and a pass broken up, but also was burned for two touchdowns. Reid needs to improve his pass-coverage skills. He looked bad defending the run against Florida, and as a result, his stock has slid.

Reid had a bounce-back performance, to a degree, against South Carolina, nabbing an interception, but he also was late in coverage for a big pass to the one-yard line. Reid has totaled 39 tackles, two interceptions and three passes broken up so far this season.

64. Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
The Chiefs could use some depth in their secondary.

While teammate Shaun Prater was more well-known for the 2012 NFL Draft, Hyde was the better NFL prospect. He is bigger and faster, with a higher ceiling.

Hyde recorded 82 tackles with four interceptions and seven passes broken up as a sophomore in 2010. He had 68 tackles with three interceptions and seven passes broken up last year. Hyde has 40 tackles, six passes broken up, a forced fumble and 11 punts returned for a total of 67 yards this season. The 6-foot-1, 185-pounder has ideal size and some ball skills.

SNR
10-19-2012, 10:18 AM
I know talent is talent, but doesn't Eric Reid sound a bit like the product we already have in Eric Berry?

To make this pair work, we'd almost assuredly need to have Berry playing the FS spot. I know he can if he just stops over-thinking his play out there, but he still has me a bit worried.

Fuck me. Harrison Smith or Brandon Taylor would be so awesome to have right now.

Pestilence
10-19-2012, 10:19 AM
I know talent is talent, but doesn't Eric Reid sound a bit like the product we already have in Eric Berry?

To make this pair work, we'd almost assuredly need to have Berry playing the FS spot. I know he can if he just stops over-thinking his play out there, but he still has me a bit worried.

Fuck me. Harrison Smith or Brandon Taylor would be so awesome to have right now.

I'd rather have T.J. McDonald over Eric Reid....but what we should be doing is moving Berry to FS and finding an actual SS that can play the position.

htismaqe
10-19-2012, 10:24 AM
Charlie Campbell from WF.com posted his 3 round mock draft today.

2. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
The Chiefs are a disgrace. Kansas City needs to clean house in the front office. Scott Pioli has had years to address the quarterback position, but has failed to land a good starter or capable backup. That has to change this offseason and Geno Smith would be a good place to start. He has completed 75.3 percent of his passes this season for 2,271 yards, 25 touchdowns and zero interceptions.

The 6-foot-3, 214-pounder has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. The senior needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

Smith had an excellent 2011 season for the Mountaineers, too. The junior completed 66 percent of his passes for 4,385 yards with 31 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He also ran for 180 yards and two scores. The West Virginia signal-caller played his heart out against LSU's talented defense with 463 yards passing.

34. Eric Reid, S, LSU
Kansas City has to be worried about Eric Berry. He hasn't looked good this season coming back from his knee injury. Kendrick Lewis is a liability and the Chiefs could use more talent in the back end.

Reid (6-2, 208) has good size and is a hard hitter. He has good instincts that allow him to get in position to make plays.

The LSU secondary was filled with NFL talent last season, and Reid was integral member alongside Tyrann Mathieu, Morris Claiborne and Brandon Taylor. Reid totaled 65 tackles with two interceptions, two forced fumbles and three passes broken up as a sophomore in 2011.

The junior started this year with a mixed outing against North Texas. He had seven tackles, an interception and a pass broken up, but also was burned for two touchdowns. Reid needs to improve his pass-coverage skills. He looked bad defending the run against Florida, and as a result, his stock has slid.

Reid had a bounce-back performance, to a degree, against South Carolina, nabbing an interception, but he also was late in coverage for a big pass to the one-yard line. Reid has totaled 39 tackles, two interceptions and three passes broken up so far this season.

64. Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
The Chiefs could use some depth in their secondary.

While teammate Shaun Prater was more well-known for the 2012 NFL Draft, Hyde was the better NFL prospect. He is bigger and faster, with a higher ceiling.

Hyde recorded 82 tackles with four interceptions and seven passes broken up as a sophomore in 2010. He had 68 tackles with three interceptions and seven passes broken up last year. Hyde has 40 tackles, six passes broken up, a forced fumble and 11 punts returned for a total of 67 yards this season. The 6-foot-1, 185-pounder has ideal size and some ball skills.

Holy shit would that be a good draft. A++.

mcaj22
10-19-2012, 10:39 AM
I know talent is talent, but doesn't Eric Reid sound a bit like the product we already have in Eric Berry?

To make this pair work, we'd almost assuredly need to have Berry playing the FS spot. I know he can if he just stops over-thinking his play out there, but he still has me a bit worried.

**** me. Harrison Smith or Brandon Taylor would be so awesome to have right now.

remember back when we took that turd McCluster

many wanted TJ Ward to pair with Berry. Same concept. And TJ Ward is the best SS in the league right now I think or at least top 3. TJ Ward and Berry, they would have made it work. Playmaking ability and hard hitters. Run defense is helped out big time and you just have one liability that is the deep pass.

DaKCMan AP
10-19-2012, 10:43 AM
To make this pair work, we'd almost assuredly need to have Berry playing the FS spot. I know he can if he just stops over-thinking his play out there, but he still has me a bit worried.


When Berry was drafted I thought he should play FS and never wanted him at SS. It takes away his greatest strengths.

what we should be doing is moving Berry to FS and finding an actual SS that can play the position.

Exactly.

Pestilence
10-19-2012, 10:44 AM
When Berry was drafted I thought he should play FS and never wanted him at SS. It takes away his greatest strengths.



Exactly.

We should have traded up last year and taken Barron. Berry at FS and Barron at SS. That's a 10 year safety combo.

mcaj22
10-19-2012, 10:46 AM
there was plenty of scenarios to take any other safety over the last 3 years

Nate Allen, TJ Ward, Mark Barron (who shit all over us last week), Harrison Smith, etc

the list goes on and on. And Pioli whiffed on them all

suds79
10-19-2012, 10:50 AM
what we should be doing is moving Berry to FS and finding an actual SS that can play the position.

Yep.

And for heaven's sake try to play Eric in zone as much as possible. Let him use his athleticism to patrol the field.

He's weak in man coverage up to this point.

DaKCMan AP
10-19-2012, 10:52 AM
We should have traded up last year and taken Barron. Berry at FS and Barron at SS. That's a 10 year safety combo.

I would have been happy with Brandon Taylor. I even liked Antonio Allen.

Sorter
10-19-2012, 11:13 AM
I would have been happy with Brandon Taylor. I even liked Antonio Allen.

My ideal draft (assuming Tannehill, Barron were gone) was Mercilus, Wolfe/Reyes, and Taylor. Funny how SD went almost the exact same.

Pestilence
10-19-2012, 11:14 AM
I wanted Ingram, Barron or Tannehill.

listopencil
10-19-2012, 11:17 AM
There are a lot of good players out there:


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Sweet Daddy Hate
10-19-2012, 11:27 AM
Holy shit would that be a good draft. A++.

Wouldn't it though?