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MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 06:38 AM
Both worked together with Marty Schottenheimer in KC. Russ Ball is in GB. Cowher is KCs top target. I dont believe the Cowher crap its been going on for years

3rd&48ers
10-17-2012, 06:39 AM
Holmgren will be available soon

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 06:40 AM
:hmmm:

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 06:40 AM
Holmgren will be available soon

He's retiring.

theelusiveeightrop
10-17-2012, 06:41 AM
Cowher gets to sit next to Marino every week. Probably gets free isotoners. Don't get better than that. Extreme surprise if he leaves CBS to come here. Would not be surprised to see him leave for some place way greener. Just my pessimistic .02.

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 06:42 AM
I dont believe it, but Clark got Pioli the top GM. So if Pioli's arrogant ass is gone, maybe with this somewhat talented roster and a top pick for franchise QB, Cowher would be interested. They said Clark wants ties to KC family tree

3rd&48ers
10-17-2012, 06:42 AM
He's retiring.

That's a nice way of saying he has been fired... New Owner wants him out, probably told him to retire quietly and he gets paid a bonus.

Deberg_1990
10-17-2012, 06:43 AM
Both worked together with Marty Schottenheimer in KC. Russ Ball is in GB. Cowher is KCs top target. I dont believe the Cowher crap its been going on for years

MIght be some teeth to the Ball rumors. His Wiki pages shows he has ties to Missouri.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Ball

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 06:45 AM
MIght be some teeth to the Ball rumors. His Wiki pages shows he has ties to Missouri.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Ball

He was here during the marty years and they mentioned hes from KC. Good organization to pluck a guy from. They draft well and drafted Aaron Rodgers their franchise QB.

jspchief
10-17-2012, 06:45 AM
I'm on board with Cowher. He wouldn't be my first choice in all scenarios, but this team has enough pieces in place that a HC that knows what he's doing can make a quick impact.

The time to take a chance on a coach with a learning curve was 4 years ago. Now's the time to bring in a guy that can hit the road running.

KC Tattoo
10-17-2012, 06:48 AM
Russ Ball please. Ya why not. Print em.

mdchiefsfan
10-17-2012, 06:48 AM
No thanks to Cowher

the Talking Can
10-17-2012, 06:49 AM
Hey Gang,

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 06:49 AM
Someone do some research on Cowher. How many times did his teams get blown out?

theelusiveeightrop
10-17-2012, 06:50 AM
Russ Ball is intriguing.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-17-2012, 06:52 AM
But yet Pioli is still our GM and he's gonna be on the local sports talk radio programs later today. Is this talk of replacing him a little premature at this point? I'm not saying he's coming back next year, but I'd hate to get my hopes up already talking about replacements lol.

Sofa King
10-17-2012, 06:52 AM
Is it the 90's again?

KC_Lee
10-17-2012, 06:52 AM
How long has Cowher been out of the game? Would he still have the "fire" to be a great and not good head coach?

Then there's the "no coach that has won a Super Bowl with one team has ever won a Super Bowl with another team" thing that's out there.

Deberg_1990
10-17-2012, 06:53 AM
I'm on board with Cowher. He wouldn't be my first choice in all scenarios, but this team has enough pieces in place that a HC that knows what he's doing can make a quick impact.

The time to take a chance on a coach with a learning curve was 4 years ago. Now's the time to bring in a guy that can hit the road running.

Basically how i feel. This team could turn around quickly with the right leadership, coaching and QB in place. Kinda of like how the 49ers did it so quick.

BigRock
10-17-2012, 06:54 AM
Here's a pretty detailed article on Russ Ball. Written a year ago in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

http://www.jsonline.com/packerinsider/130041648.html

Chiefs=Good
10-17-2012, 06:54 AM
Hey Gang,

LMAO

Lets wait till Pioli is fired before we start considering rumours on his replacement.

BoneKrusher
10-17-2012, 06:54 AM
Cowher Power.

KCUnited
10-17-2012, 06:55 AM
Wait, this was just Fescoe throwing some names out and not "reporting" it, right?

3rd&48ers
10-17-2012, 06:57 AM
He was here during the marty years and they mentioned hes from KC. Good organization to pluck a guy from. They draft well and drafted Aaron Rodgers their franchise QB.


Yup that's why we got McKenzie , been there since 94 or 95 I think

Guru
10-17-2012, 06:59 AM
oh good grief

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 07:04 AM
That's a nice way of saying he has been fired... New Owner wants him out, probably told him to retire quietly and he gets paid a bonus.

True that he's being forced out, but I don't think he pursues another position. I wouldn't want him, either. Great coach - successful everywhere as a coach - but has had zero success as an executive.

Woodchuck
10-17-2012, 07:22 AM
Did Pioli get fired? Did I miss something? Another GM would be great but, it is not a lock that Scott gets fired. I hope he does but who knows?

Fritz88
10-17-2012, 07:23 AM
Here's a pretty detailed article on Russ Ball. Written a year ago in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

http://www.jsonline.com/packerinsider/130041648.html

tl:dr

Count Zarth
10-17-2012, 07:23 AM
They're taking questions now.

Give them some hard ones.

Micjones
10-17-2012, 07:23 AM
Wouldn't Cowher want to be GM and HC though?

blaise
10-17-2012, 07:25 AM
How would 610 even get that info? If it's true that those guys are, "targets" it's because 610 is just speculating for themselves. It's like anyone here saying those guys are targets.

CoMoChief
10-17-2012, 07:26 AM
Has he bought a house in Leawood yet?

AussieChiefsFan
10-17-2012, 07:26 AM
Hopefully

ChiefMojo
10-17-2012, 07:30 AM
I hope they grill Pioli's a** but you know they won't!

I admit the more I read about Ball, I would love to have him as the GM. Didn't realize his ties to KC and the area.

Count Zarth
10-17-2012, 07:30 AM
Did Pioli get fired? Did I miss something? Another GM would be great but, it is not a lock that Scott gets fired. I hope he does but who knows?

He's gone. It's The Year of GoChiefs, and I'm right about everything.

keg in kc
10-17-2012, 07:49 AM
Cowher. Jesus. The more things change.

Marco Polo
10-17-2012, 07:56 AM
Didn't Cowher just say before the SD game that Cassell wasn't the problem and that the Chiefs are still the favorite for the AFC West?

No thanks.

CoMoChief
10-17-2012, 07:58 AM
Maybe it's a stipulation the next guy will HAVE to do what it takes to draft a top 10 1st rd QB.

Mr. Flopnuts
10-17-2012, 08:00 AM
He was here during the marty years and they mentioned hes from KC. Good organization to pluck a guy from. They draft well and drafted Aaron Rodgers their franchise QB.

All while knowing Favre had plenty of years left. Rodgers fell, and they saw value. I'd love to have Ball.

Micjones
10-17-2012, 08:01 AM
Ball so hard!

Fat Elvis
10-17-2012, 08:03 AM
Did Pioli get fired? Did I miss something? Another GM would be great but, it is not a lock that Scott gets fired. I hope he does but who knows?

Rumor is that Clark isn't too happy about Pioli's sudden change of heart about being "open" with the media. Speculation is that Pioli is now running to the media to try to save his job and make it so that Clark looks like the bad guy for canning him.

If I were Clark, I would make Pioli sit in on the interviews for his replacement.

CoMoChief
10-17-2012, 08:04 AM
Rumor is that Clark isn't too happy about Pioli's sudden change of heart about being "open" with the media. Speculation is that Pioli is now running to the media to try to save his job and make it so that Clark looks like the bad guy for canning him.

If I were Clark, I would make Pioli sit in on the interviews for his replacement.

Where is this info coming from?

Ace Gunner
10-17-2012, 08:04 AM
Didn't Cowher just say before the SD game that Cassell wasn't the problem and that the Chiefs are still the favorite for the AFC West?

No thanks.

10 - 6 baby (Cowher face)

Ace Gunner
10-17-2012, 08:05 AM
Where is this info coming from?

ass

3rd&48ers
10-17-2012, 08:08 AM
True that he's being forced out, but I don't think he pursues another position. I wouldn't want him, either. Great coach - successful everywhere as a coach - but has had zero success as an executive.

He may have been a success as a HC because of the system there in GB, but as you said, he has basically been a failure in the front office everywhere else.

ChiTown
10-17-2012, 08:09 AM
Russ Ball as GM = Yes

Cowher as HC = Not so yes

Deberg_1990
10-17-2012, 08:11 AM
Cowher. Jesus. The more things change.

Regardless of what people think of the "marty era" it sort of makes sense for Clark to reach back into that particular era of Chiefs football.

It was the only recent era of prolonged success for the Chiefs. It would also help build goodwill with the fanbase to bring back in a "Native son" so to speak.

3rd&48ers
10-17-2012, 08:17 AM
I suppose when looking for a GM that they look for a successful team and look at those who evaluate the talent on those teams...

I would go looking there first for an unknown and quit trying to resurrect the career of someone that has already had a chance.

Cowher is a good coach but everybody who has coached the Steelers has been successful so that tells me it goes way farther than him.

ChiefMojo
10-17-2012, 08:18 AM
That is true, the native son aspect of a Russ Ball would possibly give the Chiefs kingdom a feeling of connection to not only the past but the feeling of this guy is one of us.

Fat Elvis
10-17-2012, 08:18 AM
Where is this info coming from?

Danny Parkins from 610 was talking about it last night on Lazlo's show.

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 08:19 AM
We need a GM that understands KC and Ball does

tredadda
10-17-2012, 08:19 AM
No to Cowher. I know this might be unpopular but I think Cowher's time has passed and I think he is a tad overrated and a product of the Steeler's system.

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 08:20 AM
Can you post a link to Danny on lazlo's show? Is there a podcast?

Discuss Thrower
10-17-2012, 08:21 AM
I guess Cowher is ok if you have a good OC who can talk him out of Martyesque tendencies.

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 08:22 AM
Um Cowher once he had Ben would open the playbook and throw it. Hell even when they had Maddox they'd throw it alot

Ace Gunner
10-17-2012, 08:24 AM
I would not be happy with Cowher, but, he runs the same systems -- E/P offense & 34 2 gap defense.

Count Zarth
10-17-2012, 08:24 AM
Russ Balla ass GM

Frazod
10-17-2012, 08:25 AM
I guess Cowher is ok if you have a good OC who can talk him out of Martyesque tendencies.

Todd Haley?

(ducks for cover) :D

3rd&48ers
10-17-2012, 08:27 AM
I don't think the Chiefs are as close to being a player in the NFL as you all do but it would not take a whole lot to get them there... Seems to me it would be an attractive place to be overall from the standpoint of the odds of being successful.

the Talking Can
10-17-2012, 08:27 AM
not interested in cowher, but Ball is alright

Reerun_KC
10-17-2012, 08:28 AM
Ah the Cowher talk....

Nothing like the quest for mediocrity...

Sad, sad times in KC when you have to continue to regress, just to appease the fanbase...

KC has zero desire to ever win anything meaningful.. I laughed out loud when 610 guys were talking about Chiefs winning in the 90's... Chiefs havent won shit in 40 years. Maybe it was talking about winning in Super Tecmo Bowl or something...

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 08:30 AM
Reerun KC, well who do you want to be head coach?

ChiTown
10-17-2012, 08:31 AM
Reerun KC, well who do you want to be head coach?

I'd like to dig up that Lombardi fellar and see if he's interested........

suds79
10-17-2012, 08:31 AM
Ah the Cowher talk....

Nothing like the quest for mediocrity...

Sad, sad times in KC when you have to continue to regress, just to appease the fanbase...

KC has zero desire to ever win anything meaningful.. I laughed out loud when 610 guys were talking about Chiefs winning in the 90's... Chiefs havent won shit in 40 years. Maybe it was talking about winning in Super Tecmo Bowl or something...

I see, and agree, with what you saying but the good news is that it's a moot point.

The Chiefs didn't win in the 90s because they didn't have that QB. Well that'll get taken care of this next draft. They're taking a QB with their first pick. So right off that bat the philosophy is different. No matter who they hire (Cowher or not) Then we go from there.

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 08:34 AM
Reerun KC, well who do you want to be head coach?

He doesn't care who is coach, GM, QB, etc. as long as he can continue to whine.

ChiefsCountry
10-17-2012, 08:35 AM
I've been saying Russ Ball for a while now. You fuckers just need to listen to me. :)

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 08:35 AM
He may have been a success as a HC because of the system there in GB, but as you said, he has basically been a failure in the front office everywhere else.

Don't forget he also took Seattle to a SB as HC once his executive duties were scaled back.

KC kid
10-17-2012, 08:35 AM
He doesn't care who is coach, GM, QB, etc. as long as he can continue to whine.

I am not saying anything about Cowher. I just think KC Chiefs fans like to bitch and moan.

BoneKrusher
10-17-2012, 08:36 AM
He doesn't care who is coach, GM, QB, etc. as long as he can continue to whine.

:clap:
i dont care who they hire as long as the team plays like a team.
i'm tired of the lackluster play thats going on with Romeo.

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 08:36 AM
I've been saying Russ Ball for a while now. You fuckers just need to listen to me. :)

http://www.ecosherpa.com/images/notlistening.jpg

Molitoth
10-17-2012, 08:37 AM
Here is Ball's associated records since leaving the chiefs....

Vikings Senior Football Administrator
Record 10–6
Division Place 2nd NFC Central
Playoff finish Won NFC Wild Card Playoff
Lost NFC Divisional Round

Record 11–5
Division Place 1st NFC Central
Playoff finish Won NFC Divisional Playoff
Lost NFC Championship

Redskins Director of Football Administration
Record 8–8
Division Place 2nd NFC East
Playoff finish did not qualify

Saints Senior Football Administrator, later as Vice President of Football Administration
Record 9–7
Division Place 3rd NFC South
Playoff finish did not qualify

Record 8–8
Division Place 2nd NFC South
Playoff finish did not qualify

Record 8–8
Division Place 2nd NFC South
Playoff finish did not qualify

Record 3–13
Division Place 4th NFC South
Playoff finish did not qualify

Record 10-6
Division Place 1st NFC South
Playoff finish Won Divisional Playoffs (Eagles) 27-24
Lost Conference Championship (Bears) 39-14

Record 7-9
Division Place 3rd NFC South
Playoff finish did not qualify

Packers Vice President of Football Administration/Player Finance
Record 6-10
Division Place 3rd NFC North
Playoff finish did not qualify

Record 11–5
Division Place 2nd Place NFC North
Playoff finish Lost NFC Wild Card (Cardinals) 51–45 (OT)

Record 10–6
Division Place 2nd NFC North
Playoff finish Won Wild Card Playoffs (Eagles) 21–16
Won Divisional Playoffs (Falcons) 48–21
Won Conference Championship (Bears) 21–14
Won Super Bowl XLV (Steelers) 31–25

Record 15–1
Division Place 1st NFC North
Playoff finish Lost Divisional Playoffs (Giants 37-20)

Chocolate Hog
10-17-2012, 08:39 AM
I've been saying Russ Ball for a while now. You fuckers just need to listen to me. :)

I just hope Russ Ball pick is better than your Brady Quinn prediction. Jk.

Does Russ Ball have experience with personnel decisions or is his background business? I've looked at so many candidates I'm getting them confused.

Ace Gunner
10-17-2012, 08:40 AM
Todd Haley?

(ducks for cover) :D

yep:D

Micjones
10-17-2012, 08:46 AM
I just hope Russ Ball pick is better than your Brady Quinn prediction. Jk.

Does Russ Ball have experience with personnel decisions or is his background business? I've looked at so many candidates I'm getting them confused.

He's mostly been a player contract/salary cap guy throughout his career.
So basically, Green Bay's Trip McCracken.

ChiefMojo
10-17-2012, 08:50 AM
Nothing wrong with Martyball if you have a good QB. Being able to run the ball and play great defense is a successful combination. Having a good QB is the ingredient to put you over the top. I would argue Marty's best success came with Montana/Brees at QB... Pretty successful QB's. Cowher's best success came after he drafted Big Ben.

Reerun_KC
10-17-2012, 08:50 AM
He doesn't care who is coach, GM, QB, etc. as long as he can continue to whine.

Says the guy blowing Pioli in Tampa....

Maybe when his is fired you will leave with him?

Ghost of Maslowski
10-17-2012, 08:51 AM
Quite a problem for Clark to solve, and I don't know if he's up to it. The experiment with Pioli has gone up in flames, along with a great deal of fan support. Too many empty seats and banner donations are being generated by too much bad football, from a team now ranked dead last by ESPN.

Reerun_KC
10-17-2012, 08:51 AM
Nothing wrong with Martyball if you have a good QB. Being able to run the ball and play great defense is a successful combination. Having a good QB is the ingredient to put you over the top. I would argue Marty's best success came with Montana/Brees at QB... Pretty successful QB's. Cowher's best success came after he drafted Big Ben.

Execpt you cant win and run MartyBall in 2013 or going forward...

Molitoth
10-17-2012, 08:53 AM
When Clark interviews, he better make damn sure that his future GM isn't a f*cking dictator that bugs office phones, cuts all media off, and has his employees shuffling for the door because they hate to come to work at Arrowhead.

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 08:54 AM
I will love the Cowher hire. His teams show heart and passion and are tough. They'll punch you in the mouth. Players take on the personality of their coach. Crennel=soft The Chin=smashmouth

dannybcaitlyn
10-17-2012, 08:55 AM
Im in!

Old Dog
10-17-2012, 08:56 AM
I'd like to dig up that Lombardi fellar and see if he's interested........

Well, he would show as much emotion as Romeo on the sideline.

Molitoth
10-17-2012, 08:56 AM
Ya know, I've been anti-cowher... but he will get respect from his players.
I really do think this roster has the talent (minus QB) to go all the way.

If Cowher drafts Geno Smith, I will be all about it.

ChiefMojo
10-17-2012, 08:58 AM
BS!!!! You can still win in this league running the ball but you need a good QB as well for balance/moving the chains when needed.

Sounds like you just want to throw throw throw... might as well get Andy Reid then.

MTG#10
10-17-2012, 08:59 AM
Dont forget this is the same Cowher that stood up for Cassel just two weeks ago and said he was a good QB.

BoneKrusher
10-17-2012, 09:03 AM
Well, he would show as much emotion as Romeo on the sideline.

excellent. ROFL

htismaqe
10-17-2012, 09:05 AM
LMAO

Does anybody realize that Russ Ball has never been in personnel? We are needing to replace PIOLI, not Mark Donovan.

This would mean that Cowher would be making the majority of the personnel decisions. I am NOT in favor of that AT ALL.

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 09:06 AM
I think Cowher was just kissing ass because he knows Clark is gona hire him lol

Molitoth
10-17-2012, 09:07 AM
Dont forget this is the same Cowher that stood up for Cassel just two weeks ago and said he was a good QB.

Yeah, Cowher's takes on Cassel have been very disappointing....

although I don't really think he's watched Cassel play... he's another idiot that looks at 2010 stats and thinks... "oh this guy is a pro bowl qb..."

dumbf*cks.

MotherfuckerJones
10-17-2012, 09:07 AM
How bout we hire a personnel guy that isnt egotistical and Adolf Hitler?

BoneKrusher
10-17-2012, 09:08 AM
How bout we hire a personnel guy that isnt egotistical and Adolf Hitler?

this would work. :clap:

htismaqe
10-17-2012, 09:09 AM
Regardless of what people think of the "marty era" it sort of makes sense for Clark to reach back into that particular era of Chiefs football.

It was the only recent era of prolonged success for the Chiefs. It would also help build goodwill with the fanbase to bring back in a "Native son" so to speak.

Because building good will with the fans is better built on warm fuzzies and nostalgia than on winning playoff games and Super Bowls.

ChiefsCountry
10-17-2012, 09:20 AM
Does anybody realize that Russ Ball has never been in personnel? We are needing to replace PIOLI, not Mark Donovan.


Not true Parker. Donovan is the marketing/business guy. Ball's has been in coaching and then working in the personal departments. He has been salary cap and contract man.

-King-
10-17-2012, 09:22 AM
No to Cowher.


Russ Ball is fine with me. But doesn't he do the same thing Pioli did in NE? Worries me a bit.

DaWolf
10-17-2012, 09:22 AM
When's the last time the local media got a Chiefs rumor right? Wasn't the guy from 610 saying that Pioli would be canned if we lost to Tampa? This takes me back to the "we've hired Shanarat" rumor.

Wake me up when Schefter reports on this...

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 09:23 AM
I've been saying Russ Ball for a while now. You fuckers just need to listen to me. :)

I'm betting that these guys got the idea from you

Blick
10-17-2012, 09:25 AM
I'm skeptical about Ball. Reminds me of Pioli. I'd rather have a guy like Dimitroff or DeCosta...guys who came up in scouting.

ChiefsCountry
10-17-2012, 09:26 AM
I'm betting that these guys got the idea from you

They sure as hell didn't get Cowher from me thats for sure. :)

listopencil
10-17-2012, 09:26 AM
Why not hire Cowher as the GM and let him hire a new Head Coach?

DaWolf
10-17-2012, 09:27 AM
I'm skeptical about Ball. Reminds me of Pioli. I'd rather have a guy like Dimitroff or DeCosta...guys who came up in scouting.

Reading the article about him linked earlier in the thread, it sounds like he'd be more of a GM in name only. He'd be the perfect guy to come in as GM if you planned on giving all personnel control to the coach, which is something Cowher I'm sure would demand...

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 09:28 AM
LMAO

Does anybody realize that Russ Ball has never been in personnel? We are needing to replace PIOLI, not Mark Donovan.

This would mean that Cowher would be making the majority of the personnel decisions. I am NOT in favor of that AT ALL.

Exactly. I think Ball would be a candidate as team president that would hire the GM and be involved in the coaching hire. But Ball would report to Clark Hunt, not the general manager.

Chain of command.

DaWolf
10-17-2012, 09:29 AM
Why not hire Cowher as the GM and let him hire a new Head Coach?

You'd be saying hello to Russ Grimm. No thanks...

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 09:29 AM
They sure as hell didn't get Cowher from me thats for sure. :)

The Ball thing. We kow the local media scours this forum for ideas.

htismaqe
10-17-2012, 09:31 AM
Not true Parker. Donovan is the marketing/business guy. Ball's has been in coaching and then working in the personal departments. He has been salary cap and contract man.

He's been an administrator his entire NFL career. He has never evaluated talent.

htismaqe
10-17-2012, 09:32 AM
Reading the article about him linked earlier in the thread, it sounds like he'd be more of a GM in name only. He'd be the perfect guy to come in as GM if you planned on giving all personnel control to the coach, which is something Cowher I'm sure would demand...

Precisely why I hate the idea.

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 09:38 AM
Whine whine whine.... :deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

You're a sad, crusty, bitter old man.

Detoxing
10-17-2012, 09:41 AM
What time is Pioli suppose to be on? And it's 610, right?

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 09:42 AM
Why not hire Cowher as the GM and let him hire a new Head Coach?

Hell no.

Detoxing
10-17-2012, 09:44 AM
Execpt you cant win and run MartyBall in 2013 or going forward...

Martyball is a bit of a myth.

Martyball seemingly ceased to exist when he drafted a 1st round QB for the Chargers.

Same goes for Cowher in Pitt.

I'd take Cowher as long as a 1st round QB came along with him.

No Qb? No Cowher.

Bowser
10-17-2012, 09:45 AM
Clark is waiting for the Norf to get fired in San Diego so he can bring him in and fix Cassel. Only then will we see Pioli's genious in sticking with him all these years.

Detoxing
10-17-2012, 10:05 AM
So...what time is the Pioli interview? Anyone?

htismaqe
10-17-2012, 10:06 AM
Martyball is a bit of a myth.

Martyball seemingly ceased to exist when he drafted a 1st round QB for the Chargers.

Same goes for Cowher in Pitt.

I'd take Cowher as long as a 1st round QB came along with him.

No Qb? No Cowher.

Martyball did NOT disappear in San Diego.

Martyball isn't just 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Martyball is risk avoidance to the point that it adversely affects the outcome of the game - aka "play not to lose".

Martyball doesn't just affect the offense. Marty had a propensity to use the prevent defense and other methods to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

TEX
10-17-2012, 10:11 AM
Are the Chiefs going to have TWO GM's, because Pioli isn't going ANYWHERE...

Deberg_1990
10-17-2012, 10:15 AM
Martyball did NOT disappear in San Diego.

Martyball isn't just 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Martyball is risk avoidance to the point that it adversely affects the outcome of the game - aka "play not to lose".

Martyball doesn't just affect the offense. Marty had a propensity to use the prevent defense and other methods to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Well said, playing for the FG instead of the TD.

listopencil
10-17-2012, 10:23 AM
You'd be saying hello to Russ Grimm. No thanks...

Hell no.


I'd have to think that Cowher won't sign with anyone as the HC unless he's the de facto GM, and I don't think that really works out well. If it's Cowher then he's going to be a one man show running your team...I don't think he could handle that.

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 10:26 AM
Martyball is a bit of a myth.

Martyball seemingly ceased to exist when he drafted a 1st round QB for the Chargers.

Marty didn't "draft" Brees or Rivers. That would have been John Butler and A.J. Smith.

Same goes for Cowher in Pitt.

I'd take Cowher as long as a 1st round QB came along with him.

No Qb? No Cowher.

The Steelers didn't draft a QB in the first round of the NFL draft from 1981-2004. That's almost as pathetic as KC's record. Cowher continually convinced ownership that he would win with scrubs like Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox.

That's just another reason he backed Cassel: The guy doesn't know QB's for shit.

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 10:28 AM
Martyball did NOT disappear in San Diego.

Martyball isn't just 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Martyball is risk avoidance to the point that it adversely affects the outcome of the game - aka "play not to lose".

Martyball doesn't just affect the offense. Marty had a propensity to use the prevent defense and other methods to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'll never forget the playoff game in San Diego between Marty's Chargers and Herm's Jets.

It was a war of attrition: Each coach was daring each other to lose.

Simply Red
10-17-2012, 10:28 AM
this team has enough pieces in place that a HC that knows what he's doing can make a quick impact.

by 'pieces' - do you mean turd or poop pieces?

vailpass
10-17-2012, 10:29 AM
Why on earth would Cowher leave his sweet gig? And if he did, why on earth would he do it for a job like KC?

Simply Red
10-17-2012, 10:31 AM
Why on earth would Cowher leave his sweet gig? And if he did, why on earth would he do it for a job like KC?

clearly you've never been to Hiboy or Gates or Taco Johns!!!!

saphojunkie
10-17-2012, 10:32 AM
No to Cowher. I know this might be unpopular but I think Cowher's time has passed and I think he is a tad overrated and a product of the Steeler's system.

He WAS the Steelers system.

Consistent teams. Always played tough. I loved/hated Cowher teams. And when he finally got his QB? Super Bowl appearance in the first year. Won it in the fourth year.

Cowher won't get out of bed without a top quarterback. I guarantee this guy saw the light once he got a playmaker under center. Like, "how the HELL did I ever go to movies without assigned seating before?"

Chocolate Hog
10-17-2012, 10:32 AM
Martyball did NOT disappear in San Diego.

Martyball isn't just 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Martyball is risk avoidance to the point that it adversely affects the outcome of the game - aka "play not to lose".

Martyball doesn't just affect the offense. Marty had a propensity to use the prevent defense and other methods to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

To be fair he should of beat New England if that dumbass goes down after the Int.

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 10:33 AM
He WAS the Steelers system.

Consistent teams. Always played tough. I loved/hated Cowher teams. And when he finally got his QB? Super Bowl appearance in the first year. Won it in the fourth year.

Cowher won't get out of bed without a top quarterback. I guarantee this guy saw the light once he got a playmaker under center. Like, "how the HELL did I ever go to movies without assigned seating before?"

Cowher didn't win a Super Bowl title until his 15th season in Pittsburgh.

Edit: Just re-read your comment. I disagree that Ben was "his" QB. Cowher never advocated spending a first round choice on a QB. The only reason Ben went 15-1 that season is because Cowher started Maddox. Who knows? They may have been 16-0.

If not for the injury to Maddox in game one that season, who knows how long it would have been before Rothlisberger saw the field. How many losses would it have taken?

saphojunkie
10-17-2012, 10:37 AM
Cowher didn't win a Super Bowl title until his 15th season in Pittsburgh.

And four years after he finally got a QB. I get what you're saying, dude. I just think that Cowher had competitive, tough, winning teams until that point. When he got his QB, he got to the Super Bowl.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Cowher would win a Super Bowl with KC. But someone needs to right the ship, and fast. I have confidence that Cowher could do that. I don't understand this revisionist history where Cowher was a mediocre coach.

And I have zero doubt that Marty would have won a SB if they had kept Brees.

He got fired after a 14-2 season, because he wanted to keep Brees over Rivers. That doesn't sound like a guy who the game had passed.

EDIT: I don't mean "his" QB as in his hand-picked guy that he championed. I mean he finally had a QB that could make plays when the game is on the line. That, to me, is the difference now between good teams and championship teams. If you don't have a guy who can make plays throwing the ball in crunchtime, you don't have a chance.

Simply Red
10-17-2012, 10:41 AM
http://i.imgur.com/DwOYM.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/KdlJ2.jpg (http://imgur.com/KdlJ2)


http://i.imgur.com/BBxis.jpg (http://imgur.com/BBxis)


http://i.imgur.com/4zrKP.jpg (http://imgur.com/4zrKP)


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Brock
10-17-2012, 10:43 AM
And I have zero doubt that Marty would have won a SB if they had kept Brees.


You have to win a playoff game or two to go to the SB.

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 10:45 AM
And four years after he finally got a QB. I get what you're saying, dude. I just think that Cowher had competitive, tough, winning teams until that point. When he got his QB, he got to the Super Bowl.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Cowher would win a Super Bowl with KC. But someone needs to right the ship, and fast. I have confidence that Cowher could do that. I don't understand this revisionist history where Cowher was a mediocre coach.

I don't think there's any revisionist history happening. Cowher was a good coach that went to a Super Bowl and won another in 15 years.

Since then, his replacement has won a Super Bowl and lost another, in just a few short years (and with FAR less talent than Cowher's teams).

He was far from mediocre but his stubborn attitude towards QB's cost him and Pittsburgh several more shots at Super Bowl titles.

And I have zero doubt that Marty would have won a SB if they had kept Brees.

He got fired after a 14-2 season, because he wanted to keep Brees over Rivers. That doesn't sound like a guy who the game had passed.

I've mentioned this before but I guess it's worth mentioning again: Marty hasn't been employed by an NFL team since 2006. Why?

Well, it has nothing to due with his coaching. It has to due with the fact that he wants personnel control.

1: Cleveland. He was fired for Mike Junkin (#5 overall, bust) and the failure to hire an offensive coordinator after Lindy Infante left for Green Bay.
2. Resigned in KC after terrible 1998 season in which he wrestled personnel control from Carl Peterson.
3. Fired in Washington after 8-8 season for attempting to wrestle personnel control from Vinny Cerato.
4. Fired in San Diego after 2006 for attempting to wrestle control from A.J. Smith in San Diego.

In each of those situations, Marty pulled the "Me or Him" routine, in which he lost in every city but KC. If he'd shut up and coach, he'd be in the NFL right now.

But he can't.

saphojunkie
10-17-2012, 10:47 AM
You have to win a playoff game or two to go to the SB.

Touche.

saphojunkie
10-17-2012, 10:52 AM
I don't think there's any revisionist history happening. Cowher was a good coach that went to a Super Bowl and won another in 15 years.

Since then, his replacement has won a Super Bowl and lost another, in just a few short years (and with FAR less talent than Cowher's teams).

He was far from mediocre but his stubborn attitude towards QB's cost him and Pittsburgh several more shots at Super Bowl titles.



I can't possibly speak to the inner workings of the Steelers and the power struggles over who wanted what QB.

I will say this... Tomlin won a Super Bowl and went to another the exact same way that Cowher did: defense and a legit QB.

I mean, it's not rocket science. And I, for one, don't believe in the power of coaches nearly as much as some.

I think you're right in that the biggest thing a coach can do to shoot himself in the foot is to resist getting the QB. You have to find your quarterback, and when you do, don't try to run the ball 60% of the time.

If Cowher doesn't understand that the game has changed from the 90's era run-first, punt, defend style championed by Marty, then I don't want him. I want a coach who realizes that the game is played through the pass now, and without the ability and willingness to pass it deep, you will NOT win in the postseason.

God-willing, Cowher's distance from the game as an analyst has allowed him some perspective to realize that. If not, thanks but no thanks.

keg in kc
10-17-2012, 10:53 AM
Martyball did NOT disappear in San Diego.

Martyball isn't just 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Martyball is risk avoidance to the point that it adversely affects the outcome of the game - aka "play not to lose".

Martyball doesn't just affect the offense. Marty had a propensity to use the prevent defense and other methods to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.I'd say it's even more than that. Martyball (or Martyocrity as I like to call it) as a philosophy infects every level of an organization. Coaching, roster, you name it. And the end result is a team that can perform against the NFL average, but not against the NFL elite. That'll net you consistent seasons between 9-7 and 13-3, depending on how the schedule falls, keeps the stands full, but rarely gives you meaningful wins.

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 10:55 AM
I'd say it's even more than that. Martyball (or Martyocrity as I like to call it) as a philosophy infects every level of an organization. Coaching, roster, you name it. And the end result is a team that can perform against the NFL average, but not against the NFL elite. That'll net you consistent seasons between 9-7 and 13-3, depending on how the schedule falls, keeps the stands full, but rarely gives you meaningful wins.

Martyball = risk averse coaching.

I want a coach that is not risk averse and, instead, plays the odds.

keg in kc
10-17-2012, 10:57 AM
Martyball = risk averse coaching.

I want a coach that is not risk averse and, instead, plays the odds.I don't want any more defensive coaches. It hasn't made the team any tougher, and as the league moves more and more towards scoring, it's been putting us further and further behind everyone else. I'd rather try with someone like Haley and fail, then fail before we even start with another Herm or Romeo.

Chocolate Hog
10-17-2012, 10:58 AM
I don't see how the Chiefs get Cowher. Clark will be paying 5 mil next year and 3 mil a year for the next few years with Romeo. You figure Cowher would command 7-8 mil a year.

Simply Red
10-17-2012, 11:05 AM
I don't see how the Chiefs get Cowher. Clark will be paying 5 mil next year and 3 mil a year for the next few years with Romeo. You figure Cowher would command 7-8 mil a year.

Gates bro - Gates BBQ will win him in.

htismaqe
10-17-2012, 11:13 AM
I don't want any more defensive coaches. It hasn't made the team any tougher, and as the league moves more and more towards scoring, it's been putting us further and further behind everyone else. I'd rather try with someone like Haley and fail, then fail before we even start with another Herm or Romeo.

This.

KCrockaholic
10-17-2012, 11:23 AM
Ball has a large Missouri background. I could see the fit.

KCrockaholic
10-17-2012, 11:25 AM
Although I do like Cowher, and I think he'd be a fun coach to have, I don't want him.

Give me somebody who is hungry. Cowher has his ring. And it took him forever to get it.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2012, 12:32 PM
Hey Gang,

LMAO

That takes me back...

And now, where is the post where Dane's head explodes?

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2012, 12:33 PM
Although I do like Cowher, and I think he'd be a fun coach to have, I don't want him.

Give me somebody who is hungry. Cowher has his ring. And it took him forever to get it.

You know what though?

There is a thing called "learning from your mistakes", and Cowher kind of strikes me as a guy who gets that.

BryanBusby
10-17-2012, 12:33 PM
I don't see how the Chiefs get Cowher. Clark will be paying 5 mil next year and 3 mil a year for the next few years with Romeo. You figure Cowher would command 7-8 mil a year.

If Romeo retires, he's on the hook for nothing.

BigMeatballDave
10-17-2012, 12:39 PM
Exercise in futility.

NO FUCKING RETREADS

whoman69
10-17-2012, 12:39 PM
Fantasyland

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BoneKrusher
10-17-2012, 12:41 PM
just give me a winner and i'm good to go.

ChiefsCountry
10-17-2012, 12:44 PM
I think Winston Moss would be the guy who would follow Ball knowing the track record with both of them. But there is one guy I would keep an eye on and its not who I would look at but he fits the criteria that alot are looking for.

Brian Schottenheimer.

The history is there we know with the name. He does have a pretty decent resume with who he worked under. And he has worked with young quarterbacks. Brees, Rivers, Sanchez and now Bradford. Just file it away and don't jump my ass - because its not who I want, but its a name that will probably be considered.

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 12:54 PM
I think Winston Moss would be the guy who would follow Ball knowing the track record with both of them. But there is one guy I would keep an eye on and its not who I would look at but he fits the criteria that alot are looking for.

Brian Schottenheimer.

The history is there we know with the name. He does have a pretty decent resume with who he worked under. And he has worked with young quarterbacks. Brees, Rivers, Sanchez and now Bradford. Just file it away and don't jump my ass - because its not who I want, but its a name that will probably be considered.

I know for a fact that when Rex Ryan was interviewing for the Jet, B.S. interviewed as well. He lost the job to Rex but was the runner-up.

If the Rams have a good season, he'll most definitely be a hot candidate in 2013.

CoMoChief
10-17-2012, 12:54 PM
I think Winston Moss would be the guy who would follow Ball knowing the track record with both of them. But there is one guy I would keep an eye on and its not who I would look at but he fits the criteria that alot are looking for.

Brian Schottenheimer.

The history is there we know with the name. He does have a pretty decent resume with who he worked under. And he has worked with young quarterbacks. Brees, Rivers, Sanchez and now Bradford. Just file it away and don't jump my ass - because its not who I want, but its a name that will probably be considered.

God no....I'd rather have Marty....and I don't want Marty.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2012, 01:03 PM
You're a sad, crusty, bitter old man.

Reerun can't get over his longstanding FAIL in the Pioli/Cassel argument.

Chocolate Hog
10-17-2012, 01:06 PM
If Romeo retires, he's on the hook for nothing.

Romeo isn't going to retire.

DaKCMan AP
10-17-2012, 01:12 PM
Reerun can't get over his longstanding FAIL in the Pioli/Cassel argument.

Link?

okoye35chiefs
10-17-2012, 01:14 PM
"come to KC"

Our fans fly banners,

The owner won't spend money,

and we Boooo injured players.

Lol that is one hell of a slogan!

Chocolate Hog
10-17-2012, 01:15 PM
I know for a fact that when Rex Ryan was interviewing for the Jet, B.S. interviewed as well. He lost the job to Rex but was the runner-up.

If the Rams have a good season, he'll most definitely be a hot candidate in 2013.

No thanks

Molitoth
10-17-2012, 01:16 PM
The owner won't spend money,
Isn't there a forced cap next year? Won't Clark HAVE to spend a league minimum?

BigMeatballDave
10-17-2012, 01:19 PM
I think Winston Moss would be the guy who would follow Ball knowing the track record with both of them. But there is one guy I would keep an eye on and its not who I would look at but he fits the criteria that alot are looking for.

Brian Schottenheimer.

The history is there we know with the name. He does have a pretty decent resume with who he worked under. And he has worked with young quarterbacks. Brees, Rivers, Sanchez and now Bradford. Just file it away and don't jump my ass - because its not who I want, but its a name that will probably be considered.I wouldn't hate this. He would be completely different than Marty.

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 01:26 PM
No thanks

While I tend to agree, I'm not going to pass judgement until I see one complete season removed from Sanchez and the Jets.

I can tell you that he was putting together a very impressive coaching staff, he's organized and detailed. He's been in the business his whole life now and he was born, raised and played high school and college football in Kansas.

When you put it all together, it certainly makes sense from a P.R. standpoint, especially if the Rams have a good to great season offensively.

My opinion, at this point in time, is that I wouldn't love it nor would I hate it. It would depend on the GM, the structure of the organization and his staff. All that said, I'd be shocked if he weren't more successful than the previous two coaching staffs and administrations.

Mike McCarthy, another Chiefs alum (and Baker University) didn't appear to have a strong resume but look what he's been able to do in Green Bay with a great staff, GM and team president.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2012, 01:36 PM
Brian Schottenhiemer does a good job. It's not his fault that Snatchez is FAIL.

Molitoth
10-17-2012, 01:47 PM
Brian Schottenhiemer does a good job. It's not his fault that Snatchez is FAIL.

That's kinda being proven this year, huh?

okoye35chiefs
10-17-2012, 01:51 PM
thoughts on Perry Fewell from the Giants (d coord). I think he is going to be a hot commodity come the off-season.

Cassel of love
10-17-2012, 02:49 PM
Noob here guys.........I just heard on our local talk radio that Bobby Petrino is rumored to at least be on the Chiefs list if not already in talks to join the Chiefs. Any one else heard this.

Reerun_KC
10-17-2012, 02:51 PM
Reerun can't get over his longstanding FAIL of Marty and his cronies.

IT might take me awhile...

Gotta get a GM and HC in here to cleanse us of the stench of Marty's Mediocrity.

DaneMcCloud
10-17-2012, 02:52 PM
IT might take me awhile...

Gotta get a GM and HC in here to cleanse us of the stench of Marty's Mediocrity.

Yeah, because the Chiefs weren't mediocre for the 18 years prior to his arrival.

:rolleyes:

Nickel D
10-17-2012, 02:56 PM
Matt Millen's available.

Former Sandusky protege, so he's used to giving BJs and getting his ass reamed.

Clark Hunt's gotta be thinking: "Perfect fit."

Reerun_KC
10-17-2012, 02:58 PM
Yeah, because the Chiefs weren't mediocre for the 18 years prior to his arrival.

:rolleyes:

Well Buddy, I wasnt old enough to care then... I started following the Chiefs in 1988...

To me its about playoff wins and superbowls. Which makes me an abnormal Chiefs fan. Most want to win 9-10 games and not screw up their sunday social event at Arrowhead.