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jwhit
10-18-2012, 12:57 PM
http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/

Podcast with Kent Babb is available.

siberian khatru
10-18-2012, 12:58 PM
:thumb:

Chiefs Pantalones
10-18-2012, 12:59 PM
Please come back to KC, Jason!

KCtotheSB
10-18-2012, 01:00 PM
Who is this "Pioli" you speak of?

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 01:01 PM
A tag team beatdown. Awesome.

MoreLemonPledge
10-18-2012, 01:02 PM
Pioli turns heel, Whitlock turns face, all in less than 2 years. Vince McMahon would be proud.

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 01:03 PM
Oh fuck yeah!!

Stewie
10-18-2012, 01:06 PM
Sweeeeet!!!!

HemiEd
10-18-2012, 01:20 PM
In

MIAdragon
10-18-2012, 01:26 PM
Please come back to KC, Jason!

Why would you wish that on anyone that was able to get out of this garbage!?

FAX
10-18-2012, 01:26 PM
Outstanding, Mr. jwhit. Outstanding.

FAX THE BUSY BUT STILL CHECKING IN

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 01:30 PM
Listen in!

http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/

Discuss Thrower
10-18-2012, 01:30 PM
I wish I could be mentored by Jason Whitlock. Wonder if he's accepting applications for an intern.

Sfeihc
10-18-2012, 01:32 PM
Listening now. Keep the ball rolling, J.

JohnnyHammersticks
10-18-2012, 01:39 PM
Listening to it now. I've done a complete 180 on Jason Whitlock. He turned me off with his Pioli-bashing, but as it turns out, he was 100% on the right side of the issue, and I was 100% wrong.

Thanks for having our back Jason, you're one of the few who do.

Discuss Thrower
10-18-2012, 01:45 PM
Say what you want about Todd Haley, but Jesus... If you're convinced enough that you're being spied upon then there is SOMETHING wrong with the job atmosphere.

FAX
10-18-2012, 01:50 PM
This is absolutely fantastic. Two intelligent, informed sports writers pulling the curtain back on a dreadful situation.

I. Am. Impressed.

Don't have time to listen to all of it right now, but damn ... prop things to both Mr. jwhit and Kent for doing this. It is so nice to hear these guys unafraid, honest, and speaking openly and frankly. I marvel at this deal because it is marvelous.

FAX

Otter
10-18-2012, 01:50 PM
Thanks JW!

Keep up the good fight, we appreciate it.

Bwana
10-18-2012, 01:52 PM
Nice

CoMoChief
10-18-2012, 01:54 PM
can't listen I'm at work.....anyone have some cliff notes?

KCUnited
10-18-2012, 02:06 PM
Pioli would rather lose his way than win someone else's way. /Babb

Boom.

Otter
10-18-2012, 02:08 PM
Poili is getting ripped.

"Pioli would rather lose his way than win someone elses" - Kent Babb

GREAT FUCKING PODCAST!!!

Oh Snap
10-18-2012, 02:15 PM
Some things I haven't heard were said. Sounds like Scott Pioli isn't only a crappy GM, but he's also a shitty person...

Good work Jason! keep it up!

Discuss Thrower
10-18-2012, 02:16 PM
I can't make sense of the conversation at the 39 - 45 minute mark.. Marked by Whitlock's f-bombs.

htismaqe
10-18-2012, 02:18 PM
Is anybody that matters actually listening to Babb, though?

Methinks if they were, Wrappergate would have been a MUCH bigger story. Certainly it would have gotten more national attention than the Booing of Cassel.

Munson
10-18-2012, 02:19 PM
Can't listen to it at the moment. But I can't wait to hear Pioli get roasted.

theelusiveeightrop
10-18-2012, 02:20 PM
Thanks for the link. Awesome.

Deberg_1990
10-18-2012, 02:20 PM
http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/

Podcast with Kent Babb is available.

Posnanski didnt get an invite? LOL

Ace Gunner
10-18-2012, 02:21 PM
Pioli turns heel, Whitlock turns face, all in less than 2 years. Vince McMahon would be proud.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/140706_o.gif

BossChief
10-18-2012, 02:22 PM
Awesome! We need to spam the fuck out of this link.

EVERY SINGLE CHIEFS FAN...AND EVEN CLARK HUNT, SHOULD HEAR IT.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-18-2012, 02:22 PM
Posnanski didnt get an invite? LOL

Posnanski would be taking up for Pioli right now if he was still with the Star. He's Karen Kornaki's twin sister.

Woodchuck
10-18-2012, 02:23 PM
Is anybody that matters actually listening to Babb, though?

Methinks if they were, Wrappergate would have been a MUCH bigger story. Certainly it would have gotten more national attention than the Booing of Cassel.

Exactly.

Clark is the only person that matters.

Right now I'm listening to Babb talking about Haley being paranoid. I believe Haley and I can't stand the guy. That should say alot. The price you pay when you deal with guys like Pioli is that when you come forward you look like the crazy person. Everything will be turned on you.

htismaqe
10-18-2012, 02:25 PM
Exactly.

Clark is the only person that matters.

Right now Babb is talking about Haley being paranoid. I believe Haley and I can't stand the guy. That should say alot. The price you pay when you deal with guys like Pioli is that when you come forward you look like the crazy person. Everything will be turned on you.

Yep. The same way he allowed the national media to destroy the fans over booing Cassel. He's the consummate victim.

Ace Gunner
10-18-2012, 02:28 PM
Whitlock is taking this to the next level. Thank you brotha.

KCUnited
10-18-2012, 02:29 PM
I think a lot of it was what most of us know already, I think the line of questioning and the discussion was directed more towards people who may not be as familiar with the situation, which is great.

Things I found interesting where Whitlock's take on Eric Berry and how Berry believes he is so smart that he over thinks his role and plays out of position a lot of the time. Believes that's who Romeo was referring to when he said guys need to do their jobs.

I also like how Babb clarified that Arrowhead Anxiety wasn't about the reality of phones and offices being wired and conversations being monitored, but that's what people around the organization and the around the league believe is happening.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Jwhit = Our Savior.

Ace Gunner
10-18-2012, 02:34 PM
"He's fidgety. He goes on and off the record constantly" -Babb on Pioli during interviews

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2012, 02:36 PM
"He's fidgety. He goes on and off the record constantly" -Babb on Pioli during interviews

I wish we would just can this useless cocksucker even if means we can't spend some money for a while...

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:38 PM
LOL @ Whitlock chuckling over learning Pioli is the highest-paid GM in football.

Woodchuck
10-18-2012, 02:39 PM
I think a lot of it was what most of us know already, I think the line of questioning and the discussion was directed more towards people who may not be as familiar with the situation, which is great.

Things I found interesting where Whitlock's take on Eric Berry and how Berry believes he is so smart that he over thinks his role and plays out of position a lot of the time. Believes that's who Romeo was referring to when he said guys need to do their jobs.

I also like how Babb clarified that Arrowhead Anxiety wasn't about the reality of phones and offices being wired and conversations being monitored, but that's what people around the organization and the around the league believe is happening.

Good post. The Berry comments hurt. I don't think you can call him a bust and I do think he may be overthinking things. I also think RACs not using him right. Just let the kid play SS and leave him alone. He's a good player. Why ask him to shadow Sproyles one game, and then Gates the next game, and then blitz all day the next game? He was good at Tennesee and he was good as a rookie. I remember RAC talking about him in his first year. He said he put so much pressure on himself to make a play that it screwed him up. When he finally got a pick, his play improved greatly. I hope the guy can make a play against Oakland. I think if he does it will be on...

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:39 PM
Babb: "I talked to a real NFL general manager today..."

LMAO

Micjones
10-18-2012, 02:39 PM
Pioli would rather lose his way than win someone else's way. /Babb

Boom.

I'm not sure that's as reasonable as it sounds.

If I were Scott Pioli and my job were on the line...
And I was also subject to criticism from my peers, sports writers, and fans...
I'd have to try to win with my own philosophy.

At the end of the day if it doesn't work, at least I did it my way.
I'd hate to fail using someone else's ideas and never know how I might've fared had I used my own.

It's risky, but that's the job.
Do it your way, but if you get it wrong...you're fired.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:40 PM
Babb thinks our movement could be the tipping point in getting Pioli fired.... :)

MAKE A DIFFERANCE

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2012, 02:40 PM
Babb: "I talked to a real NFL general manager today..."

LMAO

:LOL:

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:42 PM
Whitlock - "I hate to be narcissistic but I just don't give a fuck..." LMAO

Jwhit, we love you.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2012, 02:42 PM
Babb thinks our movement could be the tipping point in getting Pioli fired.... :)

MAKE A DIFFERANCE

Kill him. Kill him now.

DO IT.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:43 PM
"I SO DELIGHT IN THIS."

LMAO LMAO LMAO

BossChief
10-18-2012, 02:43 PM
Exactly.

Clark is the only person that matters.

Right now I'm listening to Babb talking about Haley being paranoid. I believe Haley and I can't stand the guy. That should say alot. The price you pay when you deal with guys like Pioli is that when you come forward you look like the crazy person. Everything will be turned on you.

STFU black bob. You are so obvious it's silly.

ROFL @ You for trying to clown me a month ago for outright asking Whitlock to throw some shoutouts about #saveourchiefs and our movement into the national scene.

Go back to the coalition and dont come back.

Thanks

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:44 PM
Pioli has people listening to every second of every radio broadcast in Kansas City. LMAO

Ace Gunner
10-18-2012, 02:44 PM
"If we're going to do it this way, we've got to win" -Babb on Haley during 2009 talking to Pioli

Woodchuck
10-18-2012, 02:46 PM
STFU black bob. You are so obvious it's silly.

ROFL @ You for trying to clown me a month ago for outright asking Whitlock to throw some shoutouts about #saveourchiefs and our movement into the national scene.

Go back to the coalition and dont come back.

Thanks

Wow, you got me. :clap: Why would anyone ever doubt you? Peace dude, I am not out to get you. It's good it went national. Let's hope it works.

KCUnited
10-18-2012, 02:46 PM
I'm not sure that's as reasonable as it sounds.

If I were Scott Pioli and my job were on the line...
And I was also subject to criticism from my peers, sports writers, and fans...
I'd have to try to win with my own philosophy.

At the end of the day if it doesn't work, at least I did it my way.
I'd hate to fail using someone else's ideas and never know how I might've fared had I used my own.

It's risky, but that's the job.
Do it your way, but if you get it wrong...you're fired.

So you're against halftime adjustments?

Dicky McElephant
10-18-2012, 02:47 PM
This shit won't work on my work computer. Anyone have a recording?

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2012, 02:48 PM
This shit won't work on my work computer. Anyone have a recording?
This. Where can I download and listen laterz?

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:48 PM
Try a different browser.

Brock
10-18-2012, 02:49 PM
I'm not sure that's as reasonable as it sounds.

If I were Scott Pioli and my job were on the line...
And I was also subject to criticism from my peers, sports writers, and fans...
I'd have to try to win with my own philosophy.

At the end of the day if it doesn't work, at least I did it my way.
I'd hate to fail using someone else's ideas and never know how I might've fared had I used my own.

It's risky, but that's the job.
Do it your way, but if you get it wrong...you're fired.

And if you get everybody fired and sully the reputation of a once-great organization and everybody connected to it, OH WELL!

Simply Red
10-18-2012, 02:49 PM
I credit Fax for determining that this clown is legitimately ill -or- mentally sick.

Babb has totally confirmed that.

Well done Fax - you were dead on.

Woodchuck
10-18-2012, 02:50 PM
I credit Fax for determining that this clown is legitimately ill -or- mentally sick.

Babb has totally confirmed that.

Well done Fax - you were dead on.

Fax is 100% right. The dude's a psychopath.

HemiEd
10-18-2012, 02:51 PM
Whitlock using the FBomb a lot. ROFL

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 02:53 PM
Babb- Pioli got Palko.

Brock
10-18-2012, 02:55 PM
Babb - Haley kept Orton on the bench on purpose

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 02:56 PM
Babb - Haley kept Orton on the bench on purpose

Haley wanted out cause of Pioli.

DTLB58
10-18-2012, 02:56 PM
Pioli has people listening to every second of every radio broadcast in Kansas City. LMAO

So, CP should have a Podcast......different members every show
giving their opinions. :eek:

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 02:56 PM
And the end of that I was like this:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511051125/creepypasta/images/9/9a/Fap-now-kiss-l.png

Love you guys. Thanks for exposing this FRAUD GM.

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
10-18-2012, 02:56 PM
http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/ right @ 37 minute mark: @kentbabb @WhitlockJason feel Save Our Chiefs will be the tipping point 2 get rid of Pioli

ChiefMojo
10-18-2012, 02:59 PM
Quality stuff gentlemen!!!

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:00 PM
Haley wanted out cause of Pioli.

could have just quit

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 03:02 PM
could have just quit

And get no money who would do that?

Mr. Laz
10-18-2012, 03:03 PM
Please come back to KC, Jason!

DIAF

Woodchuck
10-18-2012, 03:04 PM
Hey Whitlock,

You should see if you can get an interview with Josh Looney. If you could get him to talk, that might be the best interview ever....

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:05 PM
And get no money who would do that?

I get it, he certainly didn't mind taking money while basically throwing games.

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 03:05 PM
That's it I'm rocking my No Limit Soldiers No Salary Cap T-shirt!

Old school Jwhit day for me.

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 03:06 PM
DIAF

Calm down Scott, you already have enough other problems.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 03:06 PM
Babb and Whitlock are Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, and Pioli is Darth Vader.

Blow up the Death Star, fellas.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 03:07 PM
I get it, he certainly didn't mind taking money while basically throwing games.

Cant the same be said about Pioli and Crennel Letting Cassel QB?

Molitoth
10-18-2012, 03:07 PM
Whitlock just dove into the comment from Romeo's presser:
"If guys will just do their job instead of trying to help someone else".

At the time of that comment, I was wondering wtf that was all about...
Whitlock explained it could've been directed at Eric Berry during a goal line situation.

Ace Gunner
10-18-2012, 03:09 PM
"people are wondering, is Clark Hunt aware of this -- ya, he's aware of this" -Babb

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:09 PM
Cant the same be said about Pioli and Crennel Letting Cassel QB?

Obviously. I mean, I hope so.

Micjones
10-18-2012, 03:11 PM
So you're against halftime adjustments?

Pioli's responsible for those?

Micjones
10-18-2012, 03:13 PM
Is this available in mp3 form?
I'm leaving work in 45 minutes and hope I can catch it when I get home.

mcaj22
10-18-2012, 03:13 PM
Eric Berry being overrated is interesting.

And its sad hes been the best Pioli draft pick in 4 years besides Justin Houston falling into Piolis lap.

In comparison to Dontari Poe, Baldwin, TJax, and every other turd Pioli drafted, Eric Berry is a god, but still he's overrated.


that is sad man. Scott Pioli is sad.

KCUnited
10-18-2012, 03:13 PM
Pioli's responsible for those?

Pioli needs the adjustment, his plan isn't working.

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:14 PM
Berry isn't playing well, but who is?

BossChief
10-18-2012, 03:14 PM
Haha

If Jason and Kent are Luke and Han and Pioli is Darth Vadar...the Stanzi avatar fits PERFECTLY.

Does that make Tom Brady Boba Fett?

Fritz88
10-18-2012, 03:15 PM
Berry isn't playing well, but who is?

Huston, JC.

Woodchuck
10-18-2012, 03:16 PM
Haha

If Jason and Kent are Luke and Han and Pioli is Darth Vadar...the Stanzi avatar fits PERFECTLY.

Does that make Tom Brady Boba Fett?

I think Orton would be Boba Fett. He was the hired gun...

Molitoth
10-18-2012, 03:16 PM
Guys. Losing and winning is a mentality.

The players that Pioli have drafted COULD BE GOOD PLAYERS.
Unfortunaley they are stuck playing for a shitty franchise, GM, Head Coach, and Leader of a Quarterback.

Everyone was ready to give up on Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali also.

A new organization from TOP DOWN with a coach who can motivate these drafted players to play to their potential could bring these players to be All Stars.

There are busts, and there are players who are being utilized completely wrong, and there are players who are simply just part of a BAD TEAM.

Everyone is having a bad year this year on a terrible team minus Justin Houston who looks to be taking advantage of his playtime.

IF we get a new coach/qb/gm, these players WILL get new life.... and if they don't, even I will label them as busts.

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:18 PM
Huston, JC.

Not a very good percentage.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 03:19 PM
He hired the shitbag HC who is.

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 03:19 PM
Eric Berry being overrated is interesting.

And its sad hes been the best Pioli draft pick in 4 years besides Justin Houston falling into Piolis lap.

In comparison to Dontari Poe, Baldwin, TJax, and every other turd Pioli drafted, Eric Berry is a god, but still he's overrated.


that is sad man. Scott Pioli is sad.

Berry isn't over rated. He's being asked to play the game like a 5 year pro, when he's only played one season and is coming off an ACL injury.

mcaj22
10-18-2012, 03:19 PM
Guys. Losing and winning is a mentality.

The players that Pioli have drafted COULD BE GOOD PLAYERS.
Unfortunaley they are stuck playing for a shitty franchise, GM, Head Coach, and Leader of a Quarterback.

Everyone was ready to give up on Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali also.

A new organization from TOP DOWN with a coach who can motivate these drafted players to play to their potential could bring these players to be All Stars.

There are busts, and there are players who are being utilized completely wrong, and there are players who are simply just part of a BAD TEAM.

and those arent play makers or impact players. If you are a play maker or impact player, you have the talent to produce even on a shitty team

Bowe, JC, Houston, sometimes Flowers, etc.

Guys that suck when the teams sucks, are just average to good talent. Just guys. That's what Pioli loads the team with and sells you on the propaganda.

Vikings were terrible and Jared Allen was still having a 20 sack season

Browns are garbage and Trent Richardson is running over people and TJ Ward is the best SS in the entire league.

The Jags are garbage and MJD still gets his.

we dont have many players like that.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 03:21 PM
A big chunk of the "Pioli's drafts are awesome" argument was based on these guys doing well:

McCluster
Arenas
Moeaki
Bailey
Baldwin

That is a big pile of shit.

Molitoth
10-18-2012, 03:22 PM
Berry isn't over rated. He's being asked to play the game like a 5 year pro, when he's only played one season and is coming off an ACL injury.

On a defense that reallu just doesn't give a shit right now. These players have zero confidence in their QB, GM, or Head Coach.

I wouldn't give a shit either.

If you have EVER gone bowling and attempted to be anywhere competitive, you know that after a couple bad throws it completely fucks up your game.... you spend more effort slamming beers and socializing.
When the game is over and you get to start over... guess what? You put a lot more effort into being GOOD.

Fruit Ninja
10-18-2012, 03:22 PM
lol, he said Haley turned into Heisenberg. haha

Iowanian
10-18-2012, 03:23 PM
Curtis Bowen,

You may have gotten slapped but it helped you turn out an excellent podcast with Kent Babb today.

MahiMike
10-18-2012, 03:23 PM
Eric Berry is overrrated! Run away!

BossChief
10-18-2012, 03:25 PM
Berry needs to be a free safety.

mcaj22
10-18-2012, 03:25 PM
it would be way better than any other pile of shit Pioli has signed or drafted to play FS for us the last 4 years

Bearcat
10-18-2012, 03:27 PM
I'm not sure that's as reasonable as it sounds.

If I were Scott Pioli and my job were on the line...
And I was also subject to criticism from my peers, sports writers, and fans...
I'd have to try to win with my own philosophy.

At the end of the day if it doesn't work, at least I did it my way.
I'd hate to fail using someone else's ideas and never know how I might've fared had I used my own.

It's risky, but that's the job.
Do it your way, but if you get it wrong...you're fired.

I wouldn't want someone who's so closed minded on my team. Sure, he should trust his own experience, believe in his own ideas, and shouldn't sell them short and cave to just any recommendation, but if there's no accountability for your own mistakes (such as continuing to start a backup in a league that's currently defined by that position) and action to correct and move on because of ego and stubbornness and the thought that at least you're doing it your way, you're asking to be fired.

Micjones
10-18-2012, 03:28 PM
Pioli needs the adjustment, his plan isn't working.

On that we agree.

htismaqe
10-18-2012, 03:29 PM
And get no money who would do that?

Haley.

He gave them enough ammo that they were able to fire him WITH CAUSE.

He got nothing.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 03:30 PM
A big chunk of the "Pioli's drafts are awesome" argument was based on these guys doing well:

McCluster
Arenas
Moeaki
Bailey
Baldwin

That is a big pile of shit.

Whats the one thing they all have in common ? Played better under Haley.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 03:30 PM
Haley.

He gave them enough ammo that they were able to fire him WITH CAUSE.

He got nothing.

Link please i love how you just make shit up.

Micjones
10-18-2012, 03:32 PM
I wouldn't want someone who's so closed minded on my team. Sure, he should trust his own experience, believe in his own ideas, and shouldn't sell them short and cave to just any recommendation, but if there's no accountability for your own mistakes (such as continuing to start a backup in a league that's currently defined by that position) and action to correct and move on because of ego and stubbornness and the thought that at least you're doing it your way, you're asking to be fired.

I tend to agree. I just think it's an interesting discussion. I always hear people suggesting that coaches and GM's should run with ideologies they don't believe in and aren't experienced with. Doesn't make much sense to me though. If your ass is on the line, you're always gonna go with what you know.

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:35 PM
Link please i love how you just make shit up.

It has been reported that the Chiefs are not honoring the final year of Haley’s contract because they fired Haley with cause. The team has not commented on the report.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/39670/todd-haley-resurfaces-in-pittsburgh

Molitoth
10-18-2012, 03:39 PM
jwhit I agree with Kent, you gotta start watching Justified.

Dexter should've ended with the Trinity Killer.
Breaking Bad is near flawless, how Babb said the writing gets kinda lame is beyond me. (Although Gus' death was over the top)

Fruit Ninja
10-18-2012, 03:40 PM
haha, Whitlock, imma ask a narcissistic question, because, well, i dont give a fuck. haha

ghak99
10-18-2012, 03:42 PM
"I don't give a ****."

ROFL


Everyone needs to hear this thing! :clap:

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 03:42 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/39670/todd-haley-resurfaces-in-pittsburgh

Please show me where he got nothing thanks. Espn is going off the Radio guy from Arizona.

Micjones
10-18-2012, 03:43 PM
jwhit I agree with Kent, you gotta start watching Justified.

Dexter should've ended with the Trinity Killer.
Breaking Bad is near flawless, how Babb said the writing gets kinda lame is beyond me. (Although Gus' death was over the top)

Over the top? No way.
That was awesome. Salamanca getting back at Fring? Brilliant.

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:45 PM
Please show me where he got nothing thanks. Espn is going off the Radio guy from Arizona.

You got nothing.

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 03:47 PM
I've heard enough. I had to turn it off. Imma catch shit for it because it's against the Mob, but it needs to be said.

It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.

Fans are upset right now, and rightly so. They demand a change at the top, and it's needed.

The Fans are desperatly seeking ways to be heard and Whitlock and Babb have come to the rescue.

Fans are rejoicing in their White Knights, bowing down and believing every word from their mouths.

Listen, Chiefs Fans, Whitlock didn't care about you for the past four years and he doesn't care about you now (ducks for cover). He cares about a dramatic story. It's his style. It's how he makes his living. He's always done it and isn't something he's shy about. He thrives on controversy.

Nothing wrong with that. He's not the first to do it and he won't be the last.

The Chiefs Fan's plight is nothing more than a controversial story to help him continue to spread his name in the National Media.

He's not your savior. He's not here for you.

He uses you to spread his articles on twitter & facebook and on your Forum. He uses you to drive hits to his podcast.

That's it.

No one Cared about Kent Babb before spygate. You guys had all sorts of cute little nick names for him. Kent has merely taken a page out of whit's book.

So, please, stop taking every word like it's gospel. Babb just labeled Berry the most over rated player in the NFL. He's far from it. But are you gonna take his word to the bank because it was said by your savior, Babb?

They are using you. The fans are using them to try to Fire Pioli. That's where the line is drawn.

And once it's all over they won't care about you anymore. They are not your friends. They are not sympathizing with you. They are trying to make a buck.

Please stop sucking their dicks.

Thanks.

RunKC
10-18-2012, 03:48 PM
This really scares me guys.

Babb thinks Clark is gonna keep Pioli. :(

Fruit Ninja
10-18-2012, 03:49 PM
I've heard enough. I had to turn it off. Imma catch shit for it because it's against the Mob, but it needs to be said.

It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.

Fans are upset right now, and rightly so. They demand a change at the top, and it's needed.

The Fans are desperatly seeking ways to be heard and Whitlock and Babb have come to the rescue.

Fans are rejoicing in their White Knights, bowing down and believing every word from their mouths.

Listen, Chiefs Fans, Whitlock didn't care about you for the past four years and he doesn't care about you now (ducks for cover). He cares about a dramatic story. It's his style. It's how he makes his living. He's always done it and isn't something he's shy about. He thrives on controversy.

Nothing wrong with that. He's not the first to do it and he won't be the last.

The Chiefs Fan's plight is nothing more than a controversial story to help him continue to spread his name in the National Media.

He's not your savior. He's not here for you.

He uses you to spread his articles on twitter & facebook and on your Forum. He uses you to drive hits to his podcast.

That's it.

No one Cared about Kent Babb before spygate. You guys had all sorts of cute little nick names for him. Kent has merely taken a page out of whit's book.

So, please, stop taking every word like it's gospel. Babb just labeled Berry the most over rated player in the NFL. He's far from it. But are you gonna take his word to the bank because it was said by your savior, Babb?

They are using you. The fans are using them to try to Fire Pioli. That's where the line is drawn.

And once it's all over they won't care about you anymore. They are not your friends. They are not sympathizing with you. They are trying to make a buck.

Please stop sucking their dicks.

Thanks.
good, they are using us, and we are using them to spread this shit. it works hand in hand.

I dont think anyone cares they are "using the fans".. I dont think there is anything wrong with it. Other media outlets have spread the word about the save the chiefs movement. ITs working. IF you get used , so what, the point is getting across.

I dont see an issue.

Ooh, Berry is fucking overrated. He gets fucking torched big time by TIGHT ENDS! he's contantly in the wrong lanes giving up big runs now days. Even Romeo has pointed to that. Tell me how he's not over rated. Im waiting, but i dont expect a good answer.

Brock
10-18-2012, 03:51 PM
It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.


It might be worse than it seems.

I've put up with a lot from this team over the years, but I've never seen anything like this before. Not ever.

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 03:52 PM
Ooh, Berry is ****ing overrated. He gets ****ing torched big time by TIGHT ENDS! he's contantly in the wrong lanes giving up big runs now days. Even Romeo has pointed to that. Tell me how he's not over rated. Im waiting, but i dont expect a good answer.

Berry is coming off a TORN ACL.

He just missed an entire season. He's 6 Games into the regular season after missing his entire sophomore year, and you expect him to be a STAR????

Maybe he's over rated in YOUR head, but logical fans knew to have their expectations tempered.

Trivers
10-18-2012, 03:55 PM
I've heard enough. I had to turn it off. Imma catch shit for it because it's against the Mob, but it needs to be said.

It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.

Fans are upset right now, and rightly so. They demand a change at the top, and it's needed.

The Fans are desperatly seeking ways to be heard and Whitlock and Babb have come to the rescue.

Fans are rejoicing in their White Knights, bowing down and believing every word from their mouths.

Listen, Chiefs Fans, Whitlock didn't care about you for the past four years and he doesn't care about you now (ducks for cover). He cares about a dramatic story. It's his style. It's how he makes his living. He's always done it and isn't something he's shy about. He thrives on controversy.

Nothing wrong with that. He's not the first to do it and he won't be the last.

The Chiefs Fan's plight is nothing more than a controversial story to help him continue to spread his name in the National Media.

He's not your savior. He's not here for you.

He uses you to spread his articles on twitter & facebook and on your Forum. He uses you to drive hits to his podcast.

That's it.

No one Cared about Kent Babb before spygate. You guys had all sorts of cute little nick names for him. Kent has merely taken a page out of whit's book.

So, please, stop taking every word like it's gospel. Babb just labeled Berry the most over rated player in the NFL. He's far from it. But are you gonna take his word to the bank because it was said by your savior, Babb?

They are using you. The fans are using them to try to Fire Pioli. That's where the line is drawn.

And once it's all over they won't care about you anymore. They are not your friends. They are not sympathizing with you. They are trying to make a buck.

Please stop sucking their dicks.

Thanks.


REP!

the Talking Can
10-18-2012, 03:55 PM
pioli is just a piece of shit of a human

he deserves to be fired sooooo badly

HemiEd
10-18-2012, 03:56 PM
I get it, he certainly didn't mind taking money while basically throwing games.

This, and this is when Haley lost me as a supporter last season. It was obvious, and he didn't give a flying fuck about us fans or the game. He just kept trotting that worthless fuck out there and making even crazier decisions.

Der Flöprer
10-18-2012, 03:56 PM
Loved it. Uncensored, and real talk from a couple of guys who would know. Now we know they see us here as well. If they know that Scott listens to all kc radio he has smeone reading here as well. Fuck. He's got a plant. Babb, I'm going to private message you later from an account that is not this one. I've been compromised...

Micjones
10-18-2012, 03:56 PM
I've heard enough. I had to turn it off. Imma catch shit for it because it's against the Mob, but it needs to be said.

It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.

Fans are upset right now, and rightly so. They demand a change at the top, and it's needed.

The Fans are desperatly seeking ways to be heard and Whitlock and Babb have come to the rescue.

Fans are rejoicing in their White Knights, bowing down and believing every word from their mouths.

Listen, Chiefs Fans, Whitlock didn't care about you for the past four years and he doesn't care about you now (ducks for cover). He cares about a dramatic story. It's his style. It's how he makes his living. He's always done it and isn't something he's shy about. He thrives on controversy.

Nothing wrong with that. He's not the first to do it and he won't be the last.

The Chiefs Fan's plight is nothing more than a controversial story to help him continue to spread his name in the National Media.

He's not your savior. He's not here for you.

He uses you to spread his articles on twitter & facebook and on your Forum. He uses you to drive hits to his podcast.

That's it.

No one Cared about Kent Babb before spygate. You guys had all sorts of cute little nick names for him. Kent has merely taken a page out of whit's book.

So, please, stop taking every word like it's gospel. Babb just labeled Berry the most over rated player in the NFL. He's far from it. But are you gonna take his word to the bank because it was said by your savior, Babb?

They are using you. The fans are using them to try to Fire Pioli. That's where the line is drawn.

And once it's all over they won't care about you anymore. They are not your friends. They are not sympathizing with you. They are trying to make a buck.

Please stop sucking their dicks.

Thanks.

/thread

I've been saying the same shit about Whitlock for years.

the Talking Can
10-18-2012, 03:56 PM
I've heard enough. I had to turn it off. Imma catch shit for it because it's against the Mob, but it needs to be said.

It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.

Fans are upset right now, and rightly so. They demand a change at the top, and it's needed.

The Fans are desperatly seeking ways to be heard and Whitlock and Babb have come to the rescue.

Fans are rejoicing in their White Knights, bowing down and believing every word from their mouths.

Listen, Chiefs Fans, Whitlock didn't care about you for the past four years and he doesn't care about you now (ducks for cover). He cares about a dramatic story. It's his style. It's how he makes his living. He's always done it and isn't something he's shy about. He thrives on controversy.

Nothing wrong with that. He's not the first to do it and he won't be the last.

The Chiefs Fan's plight is nothing more than a controversial story to help him continue to spread his name in the National Media.

He's not your savior. He's not here for you.

He uses you to spread his articles on twitter & facebook and on your Forum. He uses you to drive hits to his podcast.

That's it.

No one Cared about Kent Babb before spygate. You guys had all sorts of cute little nick names for him. Kent has merely taken a page out of whit's book.

So, please, stop taking every word like it's gospel. Babb just labeled Berry the most over rated player in the NFL. He's far from it. But are you gonna take his word to the bank because it was said by your savior, Babb?

They are using you. The fans are using them to try to Fire Pioli. That's where the line is drawn.

And once it's all over they won't care about you anymore. They are not your friends. They are not sympathizing with you. They are trying to make a buck.

Please stop sucking their dicks.

Thanks.

um...you realize we don't actually hang out, right? no one here is going to Cici's with these guys..

the only person exaggerating the situation is you...jesus weeping melodrama

Fruit Ninja
10-18-2012, 03:57 PM
Berry is coming off a TORN ACL.

He just missed an entire season. He's 6 Games into the regular season after missing his entire sophomore year, and you expect him to be a STAR????

Maybe he's over rated in YOUR head, but logical fans knew to have their expectations tempered.

and they eluded to that. Kent said he's NOT 100 percent healthy. He said, he has all the tools, but the mental part of the game isnt there which i can agree. They said he's trying to do to much and to help others and its taking away from his game.

But if someone actually listened to that, they would know they said that. Babb gave damned good reasons as to why he thinks the way he does about Berry and he was NOT wrong. Logical fans would have known that.

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 03:59 PM
the only person exaggerating the situation is you...jesus weeping melodrama

Post after post full of "OMG thank you whitlock you're the best, someone finally understands us and is sticking up for us!" say otherwise.

If that doesn't apply to you, then don't sweat it. But it certainly applies to many here.

ghak99
10-18-2012, 03:59 PM
I've heard enough. I had to turn it off. Imma catch shit for it because it's against the Mob, but it needs to be said.

It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.

Fans are upset right now, and rightly so. They demand a change at the top, and it's needed.

The Fans are desperatly seeking ways to be heard and Whitlock and Babb have come to the rescue.

Fans are rejoicing in their White Knights, bowing down and believing every word from their mouths.

Listen, Chiefs Fans, Whitlock didn't care about you for the past four years and he doesn't care about you now (ducks for cover). He cares about a dramatic story. It's his style. It's how he makes his living. He's always done it and isn't something he's shy about. He thrives on controversy.

Nothing wrong with that. He's not the first to do it and he won't be the last.

The Chiefs Fan's plight is nothing more than a controversial story to help him continue to spread his name in the National Media.

He's not your savior. He's not here for you.

He uses you to spread his articles on twitter & facebook and on your Forum. He uses you to drive hits to his podcast.

That's it.

No one Cared about Kent Babb before spygate. You guys had all sorts of cute little nick names for him. Kent has merely taken a page out of whit's book.

So, please, stop taking every word like it's gospel. Babb just labeled Berry the most over rated player in the NFL. He's far from it. But are you gonna take his word to the bank because it was said by your savior, Babb?

They are using you. The fans are using them to try to Fire Pioli. That's where the line is drawn.

And once it's all over they won't care about you anymore. They are not your friends. They are not sympathizing with you. They are trying to make a buck.

Please stop sucking their dicks.

Thanks.

I want sex, hot girl wants nice things... We trade, and go our merry ways.

As long as I don't get something incurable... "I don't give a ****."

the Talking Can
10-18-2012, 04:00 PM
Post after post full of "OMG thank you whitlock you're the best, someone finally understands us and is sticking up for us!" say otherwise.

If that doesn't apply to you, then don't sweat it. But it certainly applies to many here.

so what?

what harm is it causing you or anyone?

it's posts on a message board...

The Bad Guy
10-18-2012, 04:00 PM
Berry is coming off a TORN ACL.

He just missed an entire season. He's 6 Games into the regular season after missing his entire sophomore year, and you expect him to be a STAR????

Maybe he's over rated in YOUR head, but logical fans knew to have their expectations tempered.

C'mon now. It's one thing to have expectations tempered, but tempered to the point that he grades out as the worst safety in the NFL?

You're really reaching here. Berry has been awful. If his knee isn't right, sit him.

My expectations were that if he was out there, he'd be good. He didn't have to be at the level we all expected when he was drafted, but he shouldn't be awful.

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 04:02 PM
and they eluded to that. Kent said he's NOT 100 percent healthy. He said, he has all the tools, but the mental part of the game isnt there which i can agree. They said he's trying to do to much and to help others and its taking away from his game.

But if someone actually listened to that, they would know they said that. Babb gave damned good reasons as to why he thinks the way he does about Berry and he was NOT wrong. Logical fans would have known that.

I'm well aware that he said that.

And he also made the claim that he's the most over rated player in the NFL.

If you were the logical fan that you think you are, you would know to temper your expectations, therefore, by default, he wouldn't be over rated.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

So who exactly is over rating him?

Not the National Media. He doesn't get that sort of attention.

Apparently not fans like you, because you guys are apparently logical, right?

So what does that tell me?

It tells me that Babb is talking out his ass, and using Berry as another way to **gasp** attack Pioli.....

....now why would he do that?

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 04:03 PM
so what?

what harm is it causing you or anyone?

it's posts on a message board...

Nothing. I'm just calling it out.

It's what we do here.

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 04:07 PM
C'mon now. It's one thing to have expectations tempered, but tempered to the point that he grades out as the worst safety in the NFL?

You're really reaching here. Berry has been awful. If his knee isn't right, sit him.

My expectations were that if he was out there, he'd be good. He didn't have to be at the level we all expected when he was drafted, but he shouldn't be awful.

Worst safety in the league?

Really?

your expectations are based off of what? His rookie season and his college performance, right?

Meaning you've seen him do it on the college and professional level. He made the damn Pro Bowl his rookie season.

The NFL PLAYERS and COACHES recognized the skill and talent this kid has.

6 Games into his comeback after a season ending ACL injury and now he's the worst safety in the NFL?

Do you actually BELIEVE that? I know you're smarter than that.

siberian khatru
10-18-2012, 04:11 PM
I've heard enough. I had to turn it off. Imma catch shit for it because it's against the Mob, but it needs to be said.

It's never as bad as it seems & it's never as good as it seems.

It's true with everything in life, and it's true with this football organization.

Fans are upset right now, and rightly so. They demand a change at the top, and it's needed.

The Fans are desperatly seeking ways to be heard and Whitlock and Babb have come to the rescue.

Fans are rejoicing in their White Knights, bowing down and believing every word from their mouths.

Listen, Chiefs Fans, Whitlock didn't care about you for the past four years and he doesn't care about you now (ducks for cover). He cares about a dramatic story. It's his style. It's how he makes his living. He's always done it and isn't something he's shy about. He thrives on controversy.

Nothing wrong with that. He's not the first to do it and he won't be the last.

The Chiefs Fan's plight is nothing more than a controversial story to help him continue to spread his name in the National Media.

He's not your savior. He's not here for you.

He uses you to spread his articles on twitter & facebook and on your Forum. He uses you to drive hits to his podcast.

That's it.

No one Cared about Kent Babb before spygate. You guys had all sorts of cute little nick names for him. Kent has merely taken a page out of whit's book.

So, please, stop taking every word like it's gospel. Babb just labeled Berry the most over rated player in the NFL. He's far from it. But are you gonna take his word to the bank because it was said by your savior, Babb?

They are using you. The fans are using them to try to Fire Pioli. That's where the line is drawn.

And once it's all over they won't care about you anymore. They are not your friends. They are not sympathizing with you. They are trying to make a buck.

Please stop sucking their dicks.

Thanks.


That's fair.

But I see it as fans using Jwhit and Babb, too. They get what they want -- ratings, page hits, exposure, etc. -- and we get what we want -- attention focused on the sad state of the franchise.

Works for me.

Fruit Ninja
10-18-2012, 04:12 PM
He didnt actually make the pro bowl, he was thrown in there after other guys pulled out. It was more of a hey, the better safety isnt going to be able to play or doesnt wanna play, want the spot? lol

Berry is over rated. He's done prety much nothing all year. Yes, he's coming of a ACL, but so the fuck what, if he's in the game he's ready enought o be making plays. IF he's not, and he's hurting the team more then helping, he needs to be a man and say hey, this isnt working im only hurting the team and well be a back up.

I guess you can say he's not the "most over rated player in the league" but thats also an opinion of one man. I know he's not really a good player right now. He was drafted be a player of Ed Reeds Caliber and he's not even fucking close.

teedubya
10-18-2012, 04:12 PM
This podcast is actually great. Love this... two former KC Sports journalists with an axe to grind... grinding. Love it.

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 04:16 PM
He didnt actually make the pro bowl, he was thrown in there after other guys pulled out. It was more of a hey, the better safety isnt going to be able to play or doesnt wanna play, want the spot? lol



Oh, what? A Rookie was a 3rd safety in to Ed Reed/Troy Palo-however you spell his name.

Yeah, i see your point. Real dissapointment there. If you don't beat out two of the most popular/best/Future HoF in the NFL in your rookie season, you must suck.

:rolleyes:

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 04:18 PM
That's fair.

But I see it as fans using Jwhit and Babb, too. They get what they want -- ratings, page hits, exposure, etc. -- and we get what we want -- attention focused on the sad state of the franchise.

Works for me.

And that's exactly what it is. Like i said in my post, nothing wrong with that. Use each other.

I am merely pointing out to those who believe Whitlock/Babb are doing it FOR them, and subsequently kissing their ass.

It's not for you the fan. Don't be fooled.

HemiEd
10-18-2012, 04:25 PM
Yeah and Pioli should have drafted Troy Palamalu instead of trading down and drafting LJ, just like Carl Peterson shouldn't have drafted Todd Blackledge instead of Marino.

saphojunkie
10-18-2012, 04:32 PM
Dude, how have I never heard that story about the dinner with the journalists before? Why did that not come out immediately?

Detoxing
10-18-2012, 04:33 PM
Dude, how have I never heard that story about the dinner with the journalists before? Why did that not come out immediately?

it did. Like, the week Pioli was hired. (ok maybe not that fast, but pretty damn quickly)

HemiEd
10-18-2012, 04:36 PM
Dude, how have I never heard that story about the dinner with the journalists before? Why did that not come out immediately?

That is when JWhit ran the Egoli article and pissed a bunch of us off.

Heck, some of us were still grinning from ear to ear that Carl had been shown the door and Clark had hired the best GM in football.

keg in kc
10-18-2012, 04:41 PM
It still boggles my mind that Whitlock's managed to turn himself into the good guy, and is on somebody else's case about ego. It's like bizarro-world.

siberian khatru
10-18-2012, 04:43 PM
That is when JWhit ran the Egoli article and pissed a bunch of us off.

Heck, some of us were still grinning from ear to ear that Carl had been shown the door and Clark had hired the best GM in football.

My stance, on Pioli and Cassel (and pretty much anybody else in any situation), was to give them a chance to fail before I wrote them off.

So yes, my reaction to the Whitlock dinner story was, C'mon, we haven't played a down of football yet. Let's see what happens.

Well, I've seen quite enough.

And yes, that means the early critics here and abroad were right.

RunKC
10-18-2012, 04:48 PM
what sucks about this is that yes I think Clark will keep Pioli because he is loyal like his Dad.

Try to win the fans back with drafting Geno Smith #1 overall and getting a new coach.

I don't want any of that to happen but I think there's a rotting knot in every Chiefs fans stomach it will indeed happen.

KC Tattoo
10-18-2012, 05:08 PM
That was pure awesome :thumb:


Pioli is an egotistic maniac. No matter whats right or wrong he wants it his way to win and doesn't let others opinions change his mind. He wanted Matt Cassell to be the guy paid him the money to be the guy and had no plan or back up plan for when Matty failed. He can't blame anyone but himself. It wasn't the coaches fault Matt sucks but they didn't have a back up QB that could be better. I agree with Baab that Haley stuck with Palko like sticking up the middle finger to Pioli.

I feel more bad for Haley. He was paronoid and you just can't work or be effective by paronoid.

Can't wait for the day for Clark to fire Pioli, I think it will be before the season ends. It's up to us fans to show our displeasure and put pressure on Clark to fire Pioli. We deserve better. Clark is a smart man and from him forcing Pioli to fire Todd imo he wants results not as his father who wanted loyalty.

mcaj22
10-18-2012, 05:11 PM
what if Pioli throws a fit and refuses to draft Geno Smith

remember the philosophy here is...

"Pioli would rather lose his way than win someone elses way."

The odds a guy like Geno Smith fits in the Pioli way are not even realistic. Because he does not. And I am sure dad in law ole Bill Parcells is whispering in Piolis ear telling him to stay far away from him because he doesnt fit "The Way"

DJ's left nut
10-18-2012, 05:12 PM
Berry needs to be a free safety.

Said that on day one.

It's part of the reason that getting rid of Pollard was so foolish. He had the ideal mentality to play SS alongside Berry at the free.

There really isn't a single thing that Pioli has done well in his 4 years here, including those things he didn't screw up quite as badly.

Dicky McElephant
10-18-2012, 05:14 PM
Said that on day one.

It's part of the reason that getting rid of Pollard was so foolish. He had the ideal mentality to play SS alongside Berry at the free.

There really isn't a single thing that Pioli has done well in his 4 years here, including those things he didn't screw up quite as badly.

This.

KC Tattoo
10-18-2012, 05:16 PM
what sucks about this is that yes I think Clark will keep Pioli because he is loyal like his Dad.

Try to win the fans back with drafting Geno Smith #1 overall and getting a new coach.

I don't want any of that to happen but I think there's a rotting knot in every Chiefs fans stomach it will indeed happen.

The thing with Pioli Ego is that he thinks he can draft a QB anywhere in the draft but the first round. He thinks he can find the diamond in the rough and he just has to build a team that have players he likes enough that arn't even in top draft bords. Tyson Jackson and Poe are prime examples of Pioli trying to out smart the draft experts and that he takes guys based on his own ego to prove a point. So he is not about to draft a QB with the first pick unless told to do so by Clark. He would rather trade down and get guys that fit his mold not the mold of a HC that has to coach these guys.

HemiEd
10-18-2012, 05:18 PM
My stance, on Pioli and Cassel (and pretty much anybody else in any situation), was to give them a chance to fail before I wrote them off.

So yes, my reaction to the Whitlock dinner story was, C'mon, we haven't played a down of football yet. Let's see what happens.

Well, I've seen quite enough.

And yes, that means the early critics here and abroad were right.

I agree, give them a chance. I felt that way with all of them clear back the the HC hires, to all of the QBs including Cassel.

For the life of me though, I don't get the fact that this team has expected different results the second time, when doing the exact same thing. It clearly is insanity. Gunther, and RAC come to mind.

BoneKrusher
10-18-2012, 05:43 PM
Said that on day one.

It's part of the reason that getting rid of Pollard was so foolish. He had the ideal mentality to play SS alongside Berry at the free.

There really isn't a single thing that Pioli has done well in his 4 years here, including those things he didn't screw up quite as badly.

good post man.

DaWolf
10-18-2012, 05:48 PM
what sucks about this is that yes I think Clark will keep Pioli because he is loyal like his Dad.

Try to win the fans back with drafting Geno Smith #1 overall and getting a new coach.

I don't want any of that to happen but I think there's a rotting knot in every Chiefs fans stomach it will indeed happen.

I think we've gone too far down a certain road for the retention of Pioli to make sense to anyone, including Clark, barring a miracle turnaround this year.

Remember, even Clark said out loud that they wanted to pursue Manning, and his GM couldn't even get a visit. That had to be embarrassing to Hunt.

It's a different ball game if Pioli had signed an extension in the offseason. The fact that he hasn't means he's gotta win now or he's done.

Here is the key: once Pioli is canned, this organization has to find a true leader and face of the organization. You saw how Denver quickly turned it around from the disaster that was McDouchebag to the new regime. The same thing can happen here if we get the right guy in here. And the good thing is that Clark has already shown once that he is going to go out and try to get the best guy out there, which Pioli was perceived to be at the time...

The Bad Guy
10-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Worst safety in the league?

Really?

your expectations are based off of what? His rookie season and his college performance, right?

Meaning you've seen him do it on the college and professional level. He made the damn Pro Bowl his rookie season.

The NFL PLAYERS and COACHES recognized the skill and talent this kid has.

6 Games into his comeback after a season ending ACL injury and now he's the worst safety in the NFL?

Do you actually BELIEVE that? I know you're smarter than that.

He's graded out as the worst safety in the NFL for the first 6 games of the year. I don't believe he's the worst safety. However, I believe he should be far better than he is.

He has tons of skill and talent. It's not translating since his injury. It may never translate again.

No, my expectations weren't based off his rookie or college seasons. They were based on that he should be an upgrade over John McGraw. He wasn't going to be what he was immediately, but he shouldn't have been this bad.

You can keep your head in the clouds about him, but him getting back to the level he once was is a big big question mark right now whether you want to believe it or not.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2012, 06:20 PM
Berry needs to be a free safety.

This. Ball Hawk must be set Free.

um...you realize we don't actually hang out, right? no one here is going to Cici's with these guys..

the only person exaggerating the situation is you...jesus weeping melodrama

LMAO Yeah, Berry is the problem...

bevischief
10-18-2012, 06:31 PM
Babb thinks our movement could be the tipping point in getting Pioli fired.... :)

MAKE A DIFFERANCE

Kickass!

bevischief
10-18-2012, 06:40 PM
How long is this? I can't listen on this piece of crap netbook that belongs to my wife since she broke mine.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2012, 06:43 PM
jwhit seriousally they need you to replace Rome on FOX Sports Radio when he leaves for CBS Radio.

Sorter
10-18-2012, 06:48 PM
This. Ball Hawk must be set Free.



LMAO Yeah, Berry is the problem...

I'm not entirely sure you need to move Berry to FS. You could play some more "robber" looks and let Berry roam. This would be more ideal to me, bc we don't really have anyone that can play SS. Letting Berry roam like Polamalu allows Lewis to stay on the field in coverage (liabilities in run-support aside).

Sorter
10-18-2012, 06:48 PM
How long is this? I can't listen on this piece of crap netbook that belongs to my wife since she broke mine.

It is almost an hour long.

Radar Chief
10-18-2012, 06:56 PM
It is almost an hour long.

The last 15 minutes or so is mostly about tv shows, which is when I quit listening.
The good stuff is in the first 3/4 of the podcast.

Sorter
10-18-2012, 07:00 PM
The last 15 minutes or so is mostly about tv shows, which is when I quit listening.
The good stuff is in the first 3/4 of the podcast.

You're right, forgot about that. I did the same thing.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2012, 07:10 PM
Chiefs should have went after LaRon Landry hard this offseason. He would have been perfect with Berry.

Sorter
10-18-2012, 07:15 PM
Chiefs should have went after LaRon Landry hard this offseason. He would have been perfect with Berry.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9en10uqX41qit8aco3_500.gif

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 07:48 PM
It still boggles my mind that Whitlock's managed to turn himself into the good guy, and is on somebody else's case about ego. It's like bizarro-world.

Dude was right and we were wrong. I'm eating some crow in this thread and some people still arent willing I guess.

Pass the salt please.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 08:08 PM
It still boggles my mind that Whitlock's managed to turn himself into the good guy, and is on somebody else's case about ego. It's like bizarro-world.

He was always the good guy.

We just didn't want to hear the truth.

keg in kc
10-18-2012, 08:18 PM
Dude was right and we were wrong. I'm eating some crow in this thread and some people still arent willing I guess.It wasn't so much about right or wrong, just a general comment about how humorous it is that Whitlock, of all people, has managed to turn someone into a pariah over ego, of all things.

The idea that he's somehow championing Kansas City is just as funny. He's about generating traffic through controversy. Always has been, always will be. But that's his job, and it's working, so more power to him.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 08:20 PM
Said that on day one.

It's part of the reason that getting rid of Pollard was so foolish. He had the ideal mentality to play SS alongside Berry at the free.

There really isn't a single thing that Pioli has done well in his 4 years here, including those things he didn't screw up quite as badly.

IMO he needs to be used more like he was at Tennessee before Monte got there.

Deep middle where he can use his speed and instincts more and lay those big hits and make plays on the ball with his anticipation.

At strong, he is having to think to much and read run pass too much and it is killing his ability to make plays.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 08:20 PM
He went to several Chiefs games this year. You think he isn't doing this because he's a fan of the Chiefs? Think again.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 08:24 PM
He went to several Chiefs games this year. You think he isn't doing this because he's a fan of the Chiefs? Think again.

A small part of this is Jason doing whats best for the team.

Te rest is HIS JOB...creating controversy and being that his major controversy while in KC was his Egoli stuff...he is working on the credibility of his opinion by trying to put the final nail in the coffin of Piolis time in KC.

It would be a feather in his cap.

But seriously, who cares?

Pioli needs fired and Jason is actively helping us get that done and has helped spread the word of our movement.

Right now, that's all that matters.

keg in kc
10-18-2012, 08:28 PM
He went to several Chiefs games this year. You think he isn't doing this because he's a fan of the Chiefs? Think again.I wasn't saying he's not a fan. When I said "Kansas City" I meant the fanbase. Meaning there's nothing altruistic about he's doing. i.e. it's not for 'us.'

Call me cynical, but I'd guess it's more about an personal axe he's been grinding for years than it is about anything else. The state of the team has finally given him the ammo he needed. In any event, Pioli's only got himself to blame in the end. If he'd done a better job and we had a better team, none of this would be happening. But this idea of Whitlock championing anything but his own agenda and trying to pad his own profile is funny stuff.

el borracho
10-18-2012, 08:42 PM
what sucks about this is that yes I think Clark will keep Pioli because he is loyal like his Dad.

Try to win the fans back with drafting Geno Smith #1 overall and getting a new coach.

I don't want any of that to happen but I think there's a rotting knot in every Chiefs fans stomach it will indeed happen.

The right QB and the coaching staff would cure about 95% of what ails this franchise. Why wouldn't you want that?

Discuss Thrower
10-18-2012, 08:44 PM
The right QB and the coaching staff would cure about 95% of what ails this franchise. Why wouldn't you want that?

Because evidence suggests Pioli will fuck it up.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 08:50 PM
The right QB and the coaching staff would cure about 95% of what ails this franchise. Why wouldn't you want that?

Does the name Landry Jones ring any bells?

el borracho
10-18-2012, 08:57 PM
Because evidence suggests Pioli will **** it up.

Does the name Landry Jones ring any bells?

The right QB and the coaching staff would cure about 95% of what ails this franchise. Why wouldn't you want that?

My first post was in response to the following what if scenario:

Pioli drafts Geno
Pioli gets a new head coach

Assuming we do get the right qb (Geno) and assuming we get the right coaching staff, what then would be the problem?

Sorter
10-18-2012, 08:59 PM
My first post was in response to the following what if scenario:

Pioli drafts Geno
Pioli gets a new head coach

Assuming we do get the right qb (Geno) and assuming we get the right coaching staff, what then would be the problem?

The problem for me (as an outside observer) is that we would likely be tied to the 2-gap, we wouldn't draft quality DBs, ILBs, or WRs.

Discuss Thrower
10-18-2012, 08:59 PM
My first post was in response to the following what if scenario:

Pioli drafts Geno
Pioli gets a new head coach

Assuming we do get the right qb (Geno) and assuming we get the right coaching staff, what then would be the problem?

What coach will he get? Nobody in the Patriots tree "developed" a QB that wasn't touched by Zeus himself and turned into a football demigod.

el borracho
10-18-2012, 09:02 PM
What coach will he get? Nobody in the Patriots tree "developed" a QB that wasn't touched by Zeus himself and turned into a football demigod.

Beats me. :shrug: Hell, even Tom Cable would be an upgrade over Romeo and we know Tom's willing to work with crazy. ;)

el borracho
10-18-2012, 09:03 PM
The problem for me (as an outside observer) is that we would likely be tied to the 2-gap, we wouldn't draft quality DBs, ILBs, or WRs.

I define "right coaching staff" as no more Romeo and no more 2 gap defense.

The only things that matter in the current NFL are quarterbacks and pass-rushers. Everyone else is terciary.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:05 PM
My first post was in response to the following what if scenario:

Pioli drafts Geno
Pioli gets a new head coach

Assuming we do get the right qb (Geno) and assuming we get the right coaching staff, what then would be the problem?

Honestly, if the guy were to swallow his pride and hire a real head coach (even though thats impossible because none of them will work with him) and drafts a guy like Geno Smith (which he never would)...Id ask somebody to photoshop Pioli in a superman suit and wear it as my Avatar for a decade.

Its cool to think about, though.

Sorter
10-18-2012, 09:06 PM
I define "right coaching staff" as no more Romeo and no more 2 gap defense.

The only things that matter in the current NFL are quarterbacks and pass-rushers. Everyone else is terciary.

Well, we can be best pals then.

:clap:

Sorter
10-18-2012, 09:07 PM
I define "right coaching staff" as no more Romeo and no more 2 gap defense.

The only things that matter in the current NFL are quarterbacks and pass-rushers. Everyone else is terciary.

The issue with your post is that Pioli is commited to the 2-gap.

As in, that is the only system he knows. :(

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 09:12 PM
Honestly, if the guy were to swallow his pride and hire a real head coach (even though thats impossible because none of them will work with him) and drafts a guy like Geno Smith (which he never would)...Id ask somebody to photoshop Pioli in a superman suit and wear it as my Avatar for a decade.

Its cool to think about, though.

Real problem is he'd start fucking meddling with his head coach the second he went for it on fourth down or benched a draft pick.

No Pioli must die so the the Chiefs may live.

DeezNutz
10-18-2012, 09:17 PM
I define "right coaching staff" as no more Romeo and no more 2 gap defense.

The only things that matter in the current NFL are quarterbacks and pass-rushers. Everyone else is terciary.

The problem is that Pioli has had four years to acquire "the right QB and coaching staff," and he's failed miserably. An additional four more years won't change a thing.

I think we're still talking football.

jwhit
10-18-2012, 09:23 PM
For the record, I've posted on this message board almost from its beginning. I'm a sports fan and have always interacted with sports fans. I threw numerous parties in KC when I worked in radio and always invited regular sports fans, whether the event was at my house or at a KC establishment. We started the Turkey Bowl on my morning radio show with Chad Boeger. It was a fun football game for the staff and sports fans/listeners of the show. No one in the history of KC media spent more time and more of his own money interacting with KC sports fans. I understood why some fans couldn't recognize it. I criticized the athletes, coaches and executives that the average KC sports fan was rooting for. No one should beat themselves up over the fact that they disliked me and didn't fully understand what my job required as a sports columnist. It wasn't my job to tell you all the time what you wanted to hear. I tried to pass on what I knew and what I truly believed. Why am I supporting saveourchiefs? Because I feel Chiefs fans have been mistreated and I like when fans rise up and make their voices heard. I get passionate about certain issues and I support them. I thought the Duke lacrosse players were mistreated so I wrote a series of columns defending them. I thought Bernie Fine, the Syracuse assistant basketball coach, was mistreated, so I wrote a series of columns defending him. There's no great mystery to what is motivating me. My media shtick/brand is tied to defending people I believe have been mistreated by the media. Eric Winston and the national media did Chiefs fans wrong. Pioli's stubbornness and arrogance are getting in the way of Chiefs fans getting the kind of team they deserve. What you're doing and your support of my work are good for me and my brand. I'm glad that helping Chiefs fans is helping me. No different than defending Duke lacrosse players was good for me. That's good journalism, in my opinion.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:26 PM
Real problem is he'd start fucking meddling with his head coach the second he went for it on fourth down or benched a draft pick.

No Pioli must die so the the Chiefs may live.

Its all about Pioli to this prick.

I think he could be VERY successful if he could just swallow his pride and hire a head coach that would take his groceries and cook dinner.

Sit down with a guy like (I know its unpopular, but hear me out) Bill Cowher and put it in writing that Bill would have total control of putting together his own coaching staff, starting lineups and gameplans and Pioli would do his job of bringing in the players.

Next, cut out the CIA philosophy and open things up. Let players talk to the media. Dont hide useless information. Constantly release a bunch of fluff pieces about the players to endear them to the fans again.

Draft Geno Smith and cut Cassel loose....not kept as a backup...cut him. I know the guy is a good person and would make a good backup, but its time to physically and emotionally move the fuck on from this guy.

Also, cut Tyson Jackson (unless he is willing to take a HUGE paycut) and let Bill pick the scheme. Lets get out there and attack opposing offenses and impose our will again, like the 90s.

If something like that is done, this team could be in a superbowl inside of 3 years...if it takes that long.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:30 PM
For the record, I've posted on this message board almost from its beginning. I'm a sports fan and have always interacted with sports fans. I threw numerous parties in KC when I worked in radio and always invited regular sports fans, whether the event was at my house or at a KC establishment. We started the Turkey Bowl on my morning radio show with Chad Boeger. It was a fun football game for the staff and sports fans/listeners of the show. No one in the history of KC media spent more time and more of his own money interacting with KC sports fans. I understood why some fans couldn't recognize it. I criticized the athletes, coaches and executives that the average KC sports fan was rooting for. No one should beat themselves up over the fact that they disliked me and didn't fully understand what my job required as a sports columnist. It wasn't my job to tell you all the time what you wanted to hear. I tried to pass on what I knew and what I truly believed. Why am I supporting saveourchiefs? Because I feel Chiefs fans have been mistreated and I like when fans rise up and make their voices heard. I get passionate about certain issues and I support them. I thought the Duke lacrosse players were mistreated so I wrote a series of columns defending them. I thought Bernie Fine, the Syracuse assistant basketball coach, was mistreated, so I wrote a series of columns defending him. There's no great mystery to what is motivating me. My media shtick/brand is tied to defending people I believe have been mistreated by the media. Eric Winston and the national media did Chiefs fans wrong. Pioli's stubbornness and arrogance are getting in the way of Chiefs fans getting the kind of team they deserve. What you're doing and your support of my work are good for me and my brand. I'm glad that helping Chiefs fans is helping me. No different than defending Duke lacrosse players was good for me. That's good journalism, in my opinion.
I totally agree and I hope what I said wasn't taken wrong.

Its awesome that "we" are working together to HOPEFULLY rid this team and city of the Pioli cancer.

Every one of us appreciates your contribution, just some express it in different ways.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:31 PM
Jason...

When/if Pioli is fired, who would you think would be a good replacement as GM/HC combo?

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 09:32 PM
Cassel won't allow himself to be a backup willingly. I guarantee you he will not let himself be benched here. He will stomp and cry and demand a trade like the entitled California cunt he is.

He wants that 9 mil on his contract next year from someone.

J Diddy
10-18-2012, 09:34 PM
For the record, I've posted on this message board almost from its beginning. I'm a sports fan and have always interacted with sports fans. I threw numerous parties in KC when I worked in radio and always invited regular sports fans, whether the event was at my house or at a KC establishment. We started the Turkey Bowl on my morning radio show with Chad Boeger. It was a fun football game for the staff and sports fans/listeners of the show. No one in the history of KC media spent more time and more of his own money interacting with KC sports fans. I understood why some fans couldn't recognize it. I criticized the athletes, coaches and executives that the average KC sports fan was rooting for. No one should beat themselves up over the fact that they disliked me and didn't fully understand what my job required as a sports columnist. It wasn't my job to tell you all the time what you wanted to hear. I tried to pass on what I knew and what I truly believed. Why am I supporting saveourchiefs? Because I feel Chiefs fans have been mistreated and I like when fans rise up and make their voices heard. I get passionate about certain issues and I support them. I thought the Duke lacrosse players were mistreated so I wrote a series of columns defending them. I thought Bernie Fine, the Syracuse assistant basketball coach, was mistreated, so I wrote a series of columns defending him. There's no great mystery to what is motivating me. My media shtick/brand is tied to defending people I believe have been mistreated by the media. Eric Winston and the national media did Chiefs fans wrong. Pioli's stubbornness and arrogance are getting in the way of Chiefs fans getting the kind of team they deserve. What you're doing and your support of my work are good for me and my brand. I'm glad that helping Chiefs fans is helping me. No different than defending Duke lacrosse players was good for me. That's good journalism, in my opinion.

Good points, bad form.

jwhit
10-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Jason...

When/if Pioli is fired, who would you think would be a good replacement as GM/HC combo?


Remember, I was the guy championing Pioli to replace Carl Peterson. I also wrote a column suggesting Pioli should hire Todd Haley.

My point is I won't be making any recommendations if there is a replacement for Pioli. I'm 0-2. No reason to strikeout.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Cassel won't allow himself to be a backup willingly. I guarantee you he will not let himself be benched here. He will stomp and cry and demand a trade like the entitled California cunt he is.

He wants that 9 mil on his contract next year from someone.

1) he is due 7.5 million next year

2) Say what you want about Cassel, but I dont think he would react to benching the way you suggest. He is a genuinely good person that IMO would bea good teammate and try his best to help the starter win games...he has a long history of being a backup, he knows the gig.

jwhit
10-18-2012, 09:35 PM
Good points, bad form.


Explain this?

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 09:36 PM
Why am I supporting saveourchiefs? Because I feel Chiefs fans have been mistreated and I like when fans rise up and make their voices heard. I get passionate about certain issues and I support them.

Pioli's stubbornness and arrogance are getting in the way of Chiefs fans getting the kind of team they deserve. What you're doing and your support of my work are good for me and my brand. I'm glad that helping Chiefs fans is helping me.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbuy4pzqYO1r79k9c.gif

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 09:37 PM
1) he is due 7.5 million next year

2) Say what you want about Cassel, but I dont think he would react to benching the way you suggest. He is a genuinely good person that IMO would bea good teammate and try his best to help the starter win games...he has a long history of being a backup, he knows the gig.

Not possible. He wants that 7.5 million, and in his mind he is as good as any of the top 10 starters in this league.

Pioli/Cassel reunion in Oakland!

J Diddy
10-18-2012, 09:37 PM
Explain this?

I'm talking about lack of a paragraph structure. Hard to read.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:37 PM
Remember, I was the guy championing Pioli to replace Carl Peterson. I also wrote a column suggesting Pioli should hire Todd Haley.

My point is I won't be making any recommendations if there is a replacement for Pioli. I'm 0-2. No reason to strikeout.

I cant say I blame you.

Not asking for a recommendation here at all, but are there a list of guys that would be a good fit for this community that you know of?

A few of us have talked about Ross from NY...any thoughts on him?

We are trying to focus on guys with a strong scouting backround that have the capacity for a bigger role...not another peter principle guy.

Molitoth
10-18-2012, 09:37 PM
For the record, I've posted on this message board almost from its beginning. I'm a sports fan and have always interacted with sports fans. I threw numerous parties in KC when I worked in radio and always invited regular sports fans, whether the event was at my house or at a KC establishment. We started the Turkey Bowl on my morning radio show with Chad Boeger. It was a fun football game for the staff and sports fans/listeners of the show. No one in the history of KC media spent more time and more of his own money interacting with KC sports fans. I understood why some fans couldn't recognize it. I criticized the athletes, coaches and executives that the average KC sports fan was rooting for. No one should beat themselves up over the fact that they disliked me and didn't fully understand what my job required as a sports columnist. It wasn't my job to tell you all the time what you wanted to hear. I tried to pass on what I knew and what I truly believed. Why am I supporting saveourchiefs? Because I feel Chiefs fans have been mistreated and I like when fans rise up and make their voices heard. I get passionate about certain issues and I support them. I thought the Duke lacrosse players were mistreated so I wrote a series of columns defending them. I thought Bernie Fine, the Syracuse assistant basketball coach, was mistreated, so I wrote a series of columns defending him. There's no great mystery to what is motivating me. My media shtick/brand is tied to defending people I believe have been mistreated by the media. Eric Winston and the national media did Chiefs fans wrong. Pioli's stubbornness and arrogance are getting in the way of Chiefs fans getting the kind of team they deserve. What you're doing and your support of my work are good for me and my brand. I'm glad that helping Chiefs fans is helping me. No different than defending Duke lacrosse players was good for me. That's good journalism, in my opinion.
:clap:

jwhit
10-18-2012, 09:38 PM
I'm talking about lack of a paragraph structure. Hard to read.

My God, man. It's a message board. I can't win.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 09:38 PM
My point is I won't be making any recommendations if there is a replacement for Pioli. I'm 0-2. No reason to strikeout.

You're probably 0-3 since you loved you some Herm Edwards.

Ace Gunner
10-18-2012, 09:39 PM
ignore him J

petegz28
10-18-2012, 09:39 PM
I'm talking about lack of a paragraph structure. Hard to read.

Over it, you need to get

Reerun_KC
10-18-2012, 09:39 PM
Jwhit, never been a big fan of yours. Spent a lot of time calling you racist and a Stephen A Smith wannabe.

It take a big person to admit one was wrong. I apologize and have to give you much props and respect for what your doing.

Thanks for your support.

J Diddy
10-18-2012, 09:40 PM
My God, man. It's a message board. I can't win.

I'm just fucking with you man. I said good points. Geez.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2012, 09:41 PM
Keep it up jwhit. We appreciate it.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:41 PM
jason, Id also like to take this opportunity to apologize for burning you about the whole Waters thing a couple years ago.

That turned out to be a microcosm of the Pioli regime, no doubt. Huge red flag that was dismissed.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2012, 09:41 PM
I'm just fucking with you man. I said good points. Geez.

Tis the planet. He should know by now you are going to take a ribbing here.

jwhit
10-18-2012, 09:41 PM
You're probably 0-3 since you loved you some Herm Edwards.


This is ridiculously untrue. There's zero proof in my columns that I was some sort of Herm Edwards supporter. A total myth.

Ace Gunner
10-18-2012, 09:42 PM
hey jason, what is your opinion of todd haley when he was chiefs hc

J Diddy
10-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Tis the planet. He should know by now you are going to take a ribbing here.

You would think. :harumph:

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Idea for a future writeup?

A piece talking directly to Clark Hunt saying how we all know what it feels like to make a big mistake, but that the bigger mistake would be thinking that things will magically turn around by hiding under the cloud of continuity.

this movement needs to step up and be directed at the guy that can make the ultimate decision. JMO

FAX
10-18-2012, 09:45 PM
For the record, I've posted on this message board almost from its beginning. I'm a sports fan and have always interacted with sports fans. I threw numerous parties in KC when I worked in radio and always invited regular sports fans, whether the event was at my house or at a KC establishment. We started the Turkey Bowl on my morning radio show with Chad Boeger. It was a fun football game for the staff and sports fans/listeners of the show. No one in the history of KC media spent more time and more of his own money interacting with KC sports fans. I understood why some fans couldn't recognize it. I criticized the athletes, coaches and executives that the average KC sports fan was rooting for. No one should beat themselves up over the fact that they disliked me and didn't fully understand what my job required as a sports columnist. It wasn't my job to tell you all the time what you wanted to hear. I tried to pass on what I knew and what I truly believed. Why am I supporting saveourchiefs? Because I feel Chiefs fans have been mistreated and I like when fans rise up and make their voices heard. I get passionate about certain issues and I support them. I thought the Duke lacrosse players were mistreated so I wrote a series of columns defending them. I thought Bernie Fine, the Syracuse assistant basketball coach, was mistreated, so I wrote a series of columns defending him. There's no great mystery to what is motivating me. My media shtick/brand is tied to defending people I believe have been mistreated by the media. Eric Winston and the national media did Chiefs fans wrong. Pioli's stubbornness and arrogance are getting in the way of Chiefs fans getting the kind of team they deserve. What you're doing and your support of my work are good for me and my brand. I'm glad that helping Chiefs fans is helping me. No different than defending Duke lacrosse players was good for me. That's good journalism, in my opinion.

A common enemy makes for strange bedfellows, Mr. jwhit.

You have been and can be controversial and we Planeteers are a conservative lot whose evenings are best spent with the crochet needle or the mystery novella and a cuppa.

The important thing right now is that we eliminate Pioligo and his influence on our lives. That way, we can get back to distrusting each other and alienating those around us who choose not to think as we do.

FAX THE PEACEMAKER

petegz28
10-18-2012, 09:47 PM
For the record, I've posted on this message board almost from its beginning. I'm a sports fan and have always interacted with sports fans. I threw numerous parties in KC when I worked in radio and always invited regular sports fans, whether the event was at my house or at a KC establishment. We started the Turkey Bowl on my morning radio show with Chad Boeger. It was a fun football game for the staff and sports fans/listeners of the show. No one in the history of KC media spent more time and more of his own money interacting with KC sports fans. I understood why some fans couldn't recognize it. I criticized the athletes, coaches and executives that the average KC sports fan was rooting for. No one should beat themselves up over the fact that they disliked me and didn't fully understand what my job required as a sports columnist. It wasn't my job to tell you all the time what you wanted to hear. I tried to pass on what I knew and what I truly believed. Why am I supporting saveourchiefs? Because I feel Chiefs fans have been mistreated and I like when fans rise up and make their voices heard. I get passionate about certain issues and I support them. I thought the Duke lacrosse players were mistreated so I wrote a series of columns defending them. I thought Bernie Fine, the Syracuse assistant basketball coach, was mistreated, so I wrote a series of columns defending him. There's no great mystery to what is motivating me. My media shtick/brand is tied to defending people I believe have been mistreated by the media. Eric Winston and the national media did Chiefs fans wrong. Pioli's stubbornness and arrogance are getting in the way of Chiefs fans getting the kind of team they deserve. What you're doing and your support of my work are good for me and my brand. I'm glad that helping Chiefs fans is helping me. No different than defending Duke lacrosse players was good for me. That's good journalism, in my opinion.

I for one appreciate what it is you are doing. I haven't always agreed with your takes in the past and like you, I supported the Pioli\Haley decision. We were wrong. It happens. The most important thing now is to keep the pressure on The Clark to recognize that the situation did not\has not worked out as expected and to make the change.

The change we need is not simply for the sake of change but is greatly needed. It would be borderline insanity for Hunt to think Pioli will suddenly "get it right" after 4 years of getting it wrong at just about every key turn. We all know the Pioli wagon is hitched to Cassel and at this point it is unfair to not just the fans and the rest of the team but to Cassel as well.

Pioli has clearly shown he is simply arrogant. He insults this fan base by insisting Cassel can compete at a championship level.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:50 PM
Also, have you heard anything about these rumors about the team shopping Dwayne Bowe?

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 09:51 PM
This is ridiculously untrue. There's zero proof in my columns that I was some sort of Herm Edwards supporter. A total myth.

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just in case you're not:

Whitlock: Herm Deserves Time to Rebuild
(http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=176215)

Chiefs are heading in the right direction
(http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=196433&highlight=Whitlock+Herm)

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2012, 09:51 PM
You're probably 0-3 since you loved you some Herm Edwards.

But did he start the Hermines?

BossChief
10-18-2012, 09:54 PM
I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just in case you're not:

Whitlock: Herm Deserves Time to Rebuild
(http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/395741.html)

Chiefs are heading in the right direction
(http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=196433&highlight=Whitlock+Herm)
Lets stay on topic. mmmmkay.

FAX
10-18-2012, 09:56 PM
The Hermines were a Planet invention, if I'm not mistaken. As were the Hermites and the Hermaphrodites.

By the way, I haven't read this thread in its entirety on account of it might give me brain freeze. But why does everyone seem so defensive all of a sudden? I thought we were getting along just fine?

Mr. jwhit is knocking it out of the park on a regular basis and SaveOurChiefs is rapidly becoming a cultural phenomenon. So, what's the problem?

Pioligo is shaking in his flip-flops and @kcchiefs is blocking the living hell out of every fan they encounter. We're winning this deal but we'd rather bitch about each other? What have I missed?

FAX

Reerun_KC
10-18-2012, 09:56 PM
Who.cares about Herman. Herman needs to die in a fire. Lots of stupid shit has been supported. Especially.from you wendler.

petegz28
10-18-2012, 09:57 PM
I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just in case you're not:

Whitlock: Herm Deserves Time to Rebuild
(http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/395741.html)

Chiefs are heading in the right direction
(http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=196433&highlight=Whitlock+Herm)

Don't you have a corner to work?

Discuss Thrower
10-18-2012, 09:57 PM
The Hermines were a Planet invention, if I'm not mistaken. As were the Hermites and the Hermaphrodites.

By the way, I haven't read this thread in its entirety on account of it might give me brain freeze. But why does everyone seem so defensive all of a sudden? I thought we were getting along just fine?

Mr. jwhit is knocking it out of the park on a regular basis and SaveOurChiefs is rapidly becoming a cultural phenomenon. So, what's the problem?

Pioligo is shaking in his flip-flops and @kcchiefs is blocking the living hell out of every fan they encounter. We're winning this deal but we'd rather bitch about each other? What have I missed?

FAX

Pioli's minions are running False Flag ops.

And yes, he has minions.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 09:58 PM
But did he start the Hermines?

I'm as guilty as the next Herm supporter. But I finally woke the hell up Week 3, 2008.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2012, 09:59 PM
The Hermines were a Planet invention, if I'm not mistaken. As were the Hermites and the Hermaphrodites.

By the way, I haven't read this thread in its entirety on account of it might give me brain freeze. But why does everyone seem so defensive all of a sudden? I thought we were getting along just fine?

Mr. jwhit is knocking it out of the park on a regular basis and SaveOurChiefs is rapidly becoming a cultural phenomenon. So, what's the problem?

Pioligo is shaking in his flip-flops and @kcchiefs is blocking the living hell out of every fan they encounter. We're winning this deal but we'd rather bitch about each other? What have I missed?

FAX

I blame Mr. Black Bob's return FAX

SDChiefs
10-18-2012, 09:59 PM
good, they are using us, and we are using them to spread this shit. it works hand in hand.

I dont think anyone cares they are "using the fans".. I dont think there is anything wrong with it. Other media outlets have spread the word about the save the chiefs movement. ITs working. IF you get used , so what, the point is getting across.

I dont see an issue.

Ooh, Berry is fucking overrated. He gets fucking torched big time by TIGHT ENDS! he's contantly in the wrong lanes giving up big runs now days. Even Romeo has pointed to that. Tell me how he's not over rated. Im waiting, but i dont expect a good answer.

1st year back from acl tear. Tore it up 1st year. Was considered by his peers the 93rd best player in the league. His first fucking year. Hes not rated highly. Barely a blip on the radar for the national media. He is not matt cassel. Give the kid time. Im aware punctuation and capitalization sucks, but im on my phone, watching lucky number slevin and tired. Sorry for rant.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 10:00 PM
jason, Im sure you have heard about the Chiefs blocking fans that use the #firepioli hash tag....

Molitoth
10-18-2012, 10:00 PM
The Hermines were a Planet invention, if I'm not mistaken. As were the Hermites and the Hermaphrodites.

By the way, I haven't read this thread in its entirety on account of it might give me brain freeze. But why does everyone seem so defensive all of a sudden? I thought we were getting along just fine?

Mr. jwhit is knocking it out of the park on a regular basis and SaveOurChiefs is rapidly becoming a cultural phenomenon. So, what's the problem?

Pioligo is shaking in his flip-flops and @kcchiefs is blocking the living hell out of every fan they encounter. We're winning this deal but we'd rather bitch about each other? What have I missed?

FAX


pioli isn't the only one with an ego problem. There are many people on this forum who suffer from it as well.

FAX
10-18-2012, 10:01 PM
Pioli's minions are running False Flag ops.

And yes, he has minions.

Just as I feared.

Except I really more frightened of his Onyums or the dreaded Pig Rinds in the 16 oz re-closeable bag. Nevertheless, I believe we can win if it comes down to a food fight. Pioligo will be so concerned about wrappers and containers and twist-ties that we may be able to take him with a full, frontal onslaught using Jelly Bellys and some of those malted milk ball deals which sting like hell when you get pegged in the eye socket.

FAX

Reerun_KC
10-18-2012, 10:04 PM
Just as I feared.

Except I really more frightened of his Onyums or the dreaded Pig Rinds in the 16 oz re-closeable bag. Nevertheless, I believe we can win if it comes down to a food fight. Pioligo will be so concerned about wrappers and containers and twist-ties that we may be able to take him with a full, frontal onslaught using Jelly Bellys and some of those malted milk ball deals which sting like hell when you get pegged in the eye socket.

FAX
Dude. LOL. You are amazing.

FAX
10-18-2012, 10:04 PM
jason, Im sure you have heard about the Chiefs blocking fans that use the #firepioli hash tag....

Believe me, you do not have to use that hashtag to be blocked by @kcchiefs. Nor do you have to suggest that Pioligo be fired.

They have blocked yours truly and I am entirely innocent of using such terms or profanity of any sort.

They have lost their minds over there, I'm telling you now and my word is like unto the megalithic temple.

FAX

FAX
10-18-2012, 10:07 PM
pioli isn't the only one with an ego problem. There are many people on this forum who suffer from it as well.

Well, I suggest that everybody make an effort to freaking get along.

We have a ways to go yet before the bastards raise the white flag. There is no point in diverting our attention away from the real enemy here.

We're doing well and we're trying to screw it up as though we were Roleo facing a 4th and 1 on the 1.

FAX

jwhit
10-18-2012, 10:10 PM
Those column headlines mean nothing without dates and the entire column. Every coach deserves a little time. Herm took over a bad team with no defense and Willie Roaf retiring. I probably said after his second season (2007) that he deserved a chance to continue. I don't think it's a stretch to give a coach three years. By 2008, I'd be very surprised if I was defending Herm.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Those column headlines mean nothing without dates and the entire column.

Try clicking the second link, Jason.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=196433&highlight=Whitlock+Herm

That's from November 2008. ROFL

You loved you some Herm, even in the midst of 2-14.

In losing 20-19 to San Diego on Sunday, the Kansas City Chiefs played a near-flawless game and gave the strongest testimony to date Herm Edwards might deserve at least one more season to lead the Chiefs.

Reerun_KC
10-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Those column headlines mean nothing without dates and the entire column. Every coach deserves a little time. Herm took over a bad team with no defense and Willie Roaf retiring. I probably said after his second season (2007) that he deserved a chance to continue. I don't think it's a stretch to give a coach three years. By 2008, I'd be very surprised if I was defending Herm.
Doesn't matter. Not a soul with a brain cares about 2006-2008.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 10:16 PM
Great, we re having a fruitful conversation with a guy that has helped our movement like no other and someone has to dig up some meaningless shit from 56 years ago to try and derail it. You'd think it was memyselfandi that did it, wouldn't ya?

Chief_For_Life58
10-18-2012, 10:16 PM
Those column headlines mean nothing without dates and the entire column. Every coach deserves a little time. Herm took over a bad team with no defense and Willie Roaf retiring. I probably said after his second season (2007) that he deserved a chance to continue. I don't think it's a stretch to give a coach three years. By 2008, I'd be very surprised if I was defending Herm.

herm knows talent. If we would of had a little more luck he would possibly still be our coach coaching matty ice.
Jwit I was always entertained by your articles. Keep that brand rollin'. And keep preaching how egoli must be fired as soon as possible to give us proud lonely chiefs fans what we truly deserve. rings.......with Geno

DeezNutz
10-18-2012, 10:16 PM
What's Pioli's CP handle? No way that fraudulent fuck doesn't read this forum.

SDChiefs
10-18-2012, 10:17 PM
Believe me, you do not have to use that hashtag to be blocked by @kcchiefs. Nor do you have to suggest that Pioligo be fired.

They have blocked yours truly and I am entirely innocent of using such terms or profanity of any sort.

They have lost their minds over there, I'm telling you now and my word is like unto the megalithic temple.

FAX

Fax has become the martyr to our cause. Raise up fellow fans!

BossChief
10-18-2012, 10:18 PM
Seriously guys, we need to direct this movement towards Clark Hunt himself, but in a tasteful and intelligent manner.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2012, 10:19 PM
What's Pioli's CP handle? No way that fraudulent fuck doesn't read this forum.

Spongeblack bobtard?

Chief_For_Life58
10-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Seriously guys, we need to direct this movement towards Clark Hunt himself, but in a tasteful and intelligent manner.

EXACTLY WHY OUR NEXT BANNER NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED AT HIM and not some stupid egoli joke. We need to be as direct as possible.

Clark: Save our team. Fire Pioli. Saveourchiefs.com

BossChief
10-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Spongeblack bobtard?

that guy makes Pioli look like fucking Einstein.

WV
10-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Great, we re having a fruitful conversation with a guy that has helped our movement like no other and someone has to dig up some meaningless shit from 56 years ago to try and derail it. You'd think it was memyselfandi that did it, wouldn't ya?

Clay isn't capable of being civil for long. It's against his nature.

DeezNutz
10-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Seriously guys, we need to direct this movement towards Clark Hunt himself, but in a tasteful and intelligent manner.

Kill yourself, you cheap, passionless motherfucker--saveourchiefs.com

Too subtle?

FAX
10-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Great, we re having a fruitful conversation with a guy that has helped our movement like no other and someone has to dig up some meaningless shit from 56 years ago to try and derail it. You'd think it was memyselfandi that did it, wouldn't ya?

Ridiculous. Shameful, even.

Mr. jwhit ... allow me to say that you have been a blessing to the cause and I trust that you will continue your efforts; as the end of the Pioligo regime will serve to vindicate your initial opinion of the Knucklehead Of The Year and prove you to be, without worry of contestation, a true slumbering prophet and the modern-day Edgar KC.

Just let us know what we can do to help.

FAX

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 10:22 PM
LMAO

I'm having a civil conversation. It is funny how Jason supported Herm. But in his defense, Herm wasn't nearly as bad as Pioli. The only reason Pioli has had any success was Herm's draft picks.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 10:23 PM
Kill yourself, you cheap, passionless motherfucker--saveourchiefs.com

Too subtle?

You forgot antifreeze and Roberto Alomar.

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 10:24 PM
DeezNutz isn't capable of being civil for long. It's against his nature.

excessive
10-18-2012, 10:25 PM
Jason,

Long time reader here. I don't know why, but I always liked the columns about your Christmas party. For some reason I got a great laugh about the story of your mom bringing a can of bacon grease with her on the plane. Now that's a party I would have loved to attend, when Mom brings the bacon grease.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 10:25 PM
LMAO

I'm having a civil conversation. It is funny how Jason supported Herm. But in his defense, Herm wasn't nearly as bad as Pioli. The only reason Pioli has had any success was Herm's draft picks.

Who the fuck cares and whats the point of bringing it up in the first place?

JFC

If anyone else was doing what you are, you would probably be clowning him for it.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2012, 10:28 PM
LMAO

I'm having a civil conversation. It is funny how Jason supported Herm. But in his defense, Herm wasn't nearly as bad as Pioli. The only reason Pioli has had any success was Herm's draft picks.

Wasn't Kuharich responsible for those picks?

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 10:28 PM
What's Pioli's CP handle? No way that fraudulent **** doesn't read this forum.

Laz

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2012, 10:30 PM
Kill yourself, you cheap, passionless motherfucker--saveourchiefs.com

Too subtle?

You forgot to mention something about his daughter.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2012, 10:32 PM
Laz

LMAO