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ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 04:42 PM
Scott Pioli went on a “media blitz” tour this week where he spoke with radio stations, television stations and other writers. This was extremely unusual for him to do, and it comes in the wake of the public fire being turned up on him.

Jason Whitlock had Kent Babb on his podcast today, two former Kansas City columnists who both had dealings with Pioli, and they provided some interesting nuggets.

Whitlock, of course, took to calling Scott Pioli by the name “Scott Egoli” before he left Kansas City officially to join Fox Sports. Some of this stems from an incident when Pioli yelled at reporters, including Whitlock, in an initial dinner session after coming to town at local restaurant Garozzo’s.

Babb attributes the fire he’s now facing not only to the on the field performance of the team, but also Pioli’s style since arriving in Kansas City.

“That’s the wild card here, it’s not just that he’s been a bad general manager, it’s that he’s been a jerk to a lot of people. The people that he’s fired and had security escort out of the building, or laid off, and had security escort them out. That’s embarrassing, what’s the purpose of that?”

“It’s because he’s a jerk and he’s not good at his job.”

Babb, you might recall, wrote the “Arrowhead Anxiety” story detailing the environment at Arrowhead last winter, including Todd Haley’s paranoia that his phones were bugged. He also talked about how his style is just not conducive to success, and compared it to visiting the Giants this week. According to Babb, Pioli obsesses about things like the temperature in the weight room, and radio station.

“He’s just too insecure. He can’t not read stuff. He can’t not listen to the radio. He has PR guys listening to every second of every sports radio broadcast in Kansas City, and that’s part of their job, they have to have the radio on all day, listening for things Pioli wants to hear. What in the world, I mean, what’s the purpose of that?”

Let’s just say that my personal experience suggests that this is not completely crazy by Babb. I’ve never interacted with Pioli, but I did try to contact several people in the Chiefs organization to set up a visit to training camp, like we did here with Denver and Andy Glockner, and like Jason McIntyre did with the Jets. E-mails were unreturned as were messages to phones. It’s possible, I suppose, that several different people independently failed to say anything (even if it was no), though I would think it unlikely. Perhaps my appearance on local radio right before the draft begging them not to take Dontari Poe, or this column may have caused me to get noticed, even though our fearless editor in chief writes numerous screeds about the Jets and he had no problem attending camp.

Regardless of any of this, winning cures everything. In the NFL, losing has the opposite effect. Every week is overreaction week after a loss. The Chiefs haven’t had a lead in regulation yet this year, so you can just compound that ten fold. Some of the backlash, though, goes deeper. Fans have started a twitter account to Save Our Chiefs that already has over 77,000 followers–roughly the capacity of Arrowhead.

Pioli has been in the position *only* four years, so if he had maintained good media relations, he might be getting a bit more of the benefit of the doubt. As it is, he has tied himself repeatedly to Matt Cassel with a trade and large contract. As Babb notes, Cassel’s backups have been Brodie Croyle, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Palko, and Brady Quinn, so when Pioli says he doesn’t dictate the starter, that may be true only in the technical sense that he provides no real alternative.

Only one man has a vote, though, and that’s Clark Hunt. His dad was notoriously loyal and hands off, and he’s paid Pioli a large amount to run the organization. Does he want Pioli making the call on the next quarterback, and another rebuild? That’s the only answer that will decide whether Pioli continues in Kansas City.


http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/18/scott-pioli-is-in-trouble-in-kansas-city-with-maybe-everyone-except-the-owner/

Inmem58
10-18-2012, 04:50 PM
Waaaaayyyyyy to much to read, especially since we already know this.

DonTellMeShowMe
10-18-2012, 04:52 PM
Chiefsplanet started this....I am a proud member well done guys

xztop12
10-18-2012, 04:53 PM
ohhhhhhh ok

Inmem58
10-18-2012, 04:54 PM
Chiefsplanet started this....I am a proud member well done guys

well well well I was like the 4th person to agree with the banner idea. Get on my level.


neener neener neener

stevenidol
10-18-2012, 04:54 PM
tl;dr

Baconeater
10-18-2012, 04:56 PM
well well well I was like the 4th person to agree with the banner idea. Get on my level.


neener neener neener
I hated Pioli before you did motherfucker.

DonTellMeShowMe
10-18-2012, 04:58 PM
I hated Pioli before you did mother****er.

Hey hey hey guys we can all hate Pioli....together

BoneKrusher
10-18-2012, 05:02 PM
If Pioli keeps his job beyond this season then Clark Hunt cant see the forest for the trees.

bevischief
10-18-2012, 05:06 PM
If Pioli keeps his job beyond this season then Clark Hunt cant see the forest for the trees.

Or our movement... We won't stop.

jwhit
10-18-2012, 05:07 PM
Gents/ladies

Spam this story on Twitter and Facebook. Thebiglead.com is very influential with key media. Everyone in the sportswriting business monitors this site. Spam it. Get the message out. This is key to changing the way national media cover the Chiefs and Pioli.

Whitlock

Claynus
10-18-2012, 05:10 PM
It would help if the link in the OP was correct.

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/18/scott-pioli-is-in-trouble-in-kansas-city-with-maybe-everyone-except-the-owner/

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2012, 05:12 PM
It would help if the link in the OP was correct.

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/18/scott-pioli-is-in-trouble-in-kansas-city-with-maybe-everyone-except-the-owner/

Fixed

RunKC
10-18-2012, 05:19 PM
Clark has to fire Pioli. He's losing season ticket holders and that means he's losing money.

When he starts seeing the stands empty and blackouts coming, I bet he'll have no hessitation to fire Pioli.

The signs are there. Pioli doesn't like talking to the media. Obviously Clark wasn't happy and told him to talk.

We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

December 31st guys. That will be when we find out how loyal Clark really is.

KC Tattoo
10-18-2012, 05:27 PM
Meh, how in the world would Scott fuckface Pioli not be on the hot seat with Clark? Of course he is. If you think like I do and believe it was Clark who came down on Pioli to fire Haley, then Clark is expecting results to turn this thing around. We have been getting blasted in games, Clark is embarrassed and the fans are in an uproar. Clark may have paid Pioli a lot of money to do his job and for that gives him the belefit to see out this year to show major improvements. If we continue to get blasted & lose games Clark wont have to be loyal to Pioli. Clark wants his own legacy as owner of this team and not of his dads. He didn't just spend millions (how ever much reported?) of his own money into the reconstruction of Arrowhead for a face lift to have some punk ass clown GM run it into the ground.


Clark isn't saying anything at the moment for favor or against Pioli. So we can't assume anything to what Clark is thinking. I'm just figuring he is not a happy man with regards to Pioli. How can he be?

petegz28
10-18-2012, 05:33 PM
Gents/ladies

Spam this story on Twitter and Facebook. Thebiglead.com is very influential with key media. Everyone in the sportswriting business monitors this site. Spam it. Get the message out. This is key to changing the way national media cover the Chiefs and Pioli.

Whitlock

Done and thanks to you, Mr. Whitlock.

Claynus
10-18-2012, 05:40 PM
December 31st guys. That will be when we find out how loyal Clark really is.

That's my birthday.

This is destiny.

Sorter
10-18-2012, 05:49 PM
That's my birthday.

This is destiny.

Won't matter, the world will be ending :)

Inmem58
10-18-2012, 05:59 PM
I hated Pioli before you did mother****er.

That's probably true, I was done when we selected Dontari Poe.


I give chancies

RunKC
10-18-2012, 06:09 PM
There is no way in hell that Clark will keep Pioli when the last 5 home games have crowds that look like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A1GiAhYCIAABQSD.jpg

Molitoth
10-18-2012, 06:10 PM
There is no way in hell that Clark will keep Pioli when the last 5 home games have crowds that look like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A1GiAhYCIAABQSD.jpg

My first game at Arrowhead was Joe Montana's first game at Arrowhead. There wasn't a single empty seat.

The above picture is just sad, sad, sad. :(

milkman
10-18-2012, 07:19 PM
Gents/ladies

Spam this story on Twitter and Facebook. Thebiglead.com is very influential with key media. Everyone in the sportswriting business monitors this site. Spam it. Get the message out. This is key to changing the way national media cover the Chiefs and Pioli.

Whitlock

What's to change?

The national media doesn't cover the Chiefs.

pr_capone
10-18-2012, 07:23 PM
well well well I was like the 4th person to agree with the banner idea. Get on my level.


neener neener neener

I was first. :p

Marcellus
10-18-2012, 07:26 PM
The story doesn't exactly support the headline. He may well be in deep shit with Clark.

Claynus
10-18-2012, 07:27 PM
He's in deeper shit with Clark than anyone else in the world.

BossChief
10-18-2012, 07:32 PM
I was first. :p

I planted the seeds. :evil:

Psyko Tek
10-18-2012, 10:57 PM
Chiefsplanet started this....I am a proud member well done guys

n00b

Psyko Tek
10-18-2012, 10:59 PM
I hated Pioli before you did motherfucker.

in 1965 when I was born my first words were fuck scott pioli
nobody understood...
until now

Psyko Tek
10-18-2012, 10:59 PM
If Pioli keeps his job beyond this season then Clark Hunt cant see the forest for the trees.

then clark is not looking for forest or trees only green

notorious
10-18-2012, 11:01 PM
then clark is not looking for forest or trees only green

It's a forest of money trees a.k.a. Chiefs' fans.

ClevelandBronco
10-18-2012, 11:02 PM
There is no way in hell that Clark will keep Pioli when the last 5 home games have crowds that look like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A1GiAhYCIAABQSD.jpg

Whatever else you want to call it, that's not a crowd.

notorious
10-18-2012, 11:05 PM
Whatever else you want to call it, that's not a crowd.

Three is a crowd.



It's too close to call. ;)

rabblerouser
10-19-2012, 12:43 AM
Hey hey hey guys we can all hate Pioli....together



It's literally how I found this place - I was SO frustrated after the Tampa Bay game that I googled 'I hate Scott Pioli'...

and here I am.

I HATE THAT WORTHLESS COCKSMOKER!!!!

AussieChiefsFan
10-19-2012, 12:52 AM
There is no way in hell that Clark will keep Pioli when the last 5 home games have crowds that look like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A1GiAhYCIAABQSD.jpg

Ver, very sad.

Chocolate Hog
10-19-2012, 01:13 AM
Whatever else you want to call it, that's not a crowd.

That's a pre-season game.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-19-2012, 08:07 PM
Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing

RT @ChiefsOrioles01: Peter, does Pioli get fired? ... It's possible, but my gut says Clark Hunt gives him a year to draft a QB.

htismaqe
10-19-2012, 08:13 PM
Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing

RT @ChiefsOrioles01: Peter, does Pioli get fired? ... It's possible, but my gut says Clark Hunt gives him a year to draft a QB.

Say hello to Landry Jones.

Bump
10-19-2012, 08:14 PM
everyone in KC cares if the Chiefs win except for Clark Hunt. He's just rolling in benjamins off of what his dad built. He's nothing, he's never accomplished a damn thing in his life. Oh he went to a good college you say and got good grades. Fuck you, if I had infinite wealth, I'd have at least one PhD by now.

Tribal Warfare
10-19-2012, 08:17 PM
Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing

RT @ChiefsOrioles01: Peter, does Pioli get fired? ... It's possible, but my gut says Clark Hunt gives him a year to draft a QB.

An empty Arrowhead and apathy is what comes next if Pioli is retained.

Guru
10-19-2012, 08:18 PM
An empty Arrowhead and apathy is what comes next if Pioli is retained.

I certainly hope so.

Tribal Warfare
10-19-2012, 08:20 PM
I certainly hope so.

After the Winston fiasco, and Pioli boldfaced lying to the media and fans this week then fuck them if they pull this shit.

tredadda
10-19-2012, 08:20 PM
everyone in KC cares if the Chiefs win except for Clark Hunt. He's just rolling in benjamins off of what his dad built. He's nothing, he's never accomplished a damn thing in his life. Oh he went to a good college you say and got good grades. **** you, if I had infinite wealth, I'd have at least one PhD by now.

If what you said was true why did he not just keep Carl? He was good at keeping us mediocre and making the Hunts tons of cash.

KC Tattoo
10-19-2012, 08:27 PM
everyone in KC cares if the Chiefs win except for Clark Hunt. He's just rolling in benjamins off of what his dad built. He's nothing, he's never accomplished a damn thing in his life. Oh he went to a good college you say and got good grades. **** you, if I had infinite wealth, I'd have at least one PhD by now.

How much of Clarks own money did he spend on the renovations of Arrowhead?

I'm pretty sure he went above and beyond what was expected of him.


I don't think for one second he is happy with the results on the field for what Scott Pioli has delivered to the fans. He may hold off to fire him just to see during this season if things get turned around, but I'm expecting Pioli to get fired otherwise.

Guru
10-19-2012, 08:29 PM
he'll probably be stubborn about it. He doesn't want it to look like he caved in to the fans now that we are pushing so hard. He will keep Pioli around and fire him on his own terms now. Stadium might be barren by then. heh

SNR
10-19-2012, 08:31 PM
Say hello to Landry Jones.
I know you're joking, but I actually felt a jab of pain all through my body when I read that.

If that happens not only will I'm done for GOOD. Not even going on sabbatical or anything. I'm fucking done.

Bowser
10-19-2012, 08:34 PM
There is no way in hell that Clark will keep Pioli when the last 5 home games have crowds that look like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A1GiAhYCIAABQSD.jpg

What game is this? Looks like the 2006 home opener when we wore all white against the Bengals.


And as has been said - that's not a crowd. That's a gathering.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2012, 08:36 PM
How much of Clarks own money did he spend on the renovations of Arrowhead?

I'm pretty sure he went above and beyond what was expected of him

LMAO

Tribal Warfare
10-19-2012, 08:36 PM
he'll probably be stubborn about it. He doesn't want it to look like he caved in to the fans now that we are pushing so hard. He will keep Pioli around and fire him on his own terms now. Stadium might be barren by then. heh

My marking point is 1-10, which would mean KC would be officially out of the playoffs.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2012, 08:42 PM
he'll probably be stubborn about it. He doesn't want it to look like he caved in to the fans now that we are pushing so hard. He will keep Pioli around and fire him on his own terms now. Stadium might be barren by then. heh

37,000 Deb Detwiler's won't keep Clark fom firing Piloli.

The Arrowhead Mystique is in hibernation. The last thing I expect Clark to do is kill the bear.

Sometimes, you eat the bear. Sometimes, the bear eats you.

What will Clark choose?

Pants
10-19-2012, 08:43 PM
everyone in KC cares if the Chiefs win except for Clark Hunt. He's just rolling in benjamins off of what his dad built. He's nothing, he's never accomplished a damn thing in his life. Oh he went to a good college you say and got good grades. Fuck you, if I had infinite wealth, I'd have at least one PhD by now.

Yeap. That's exactly why Clark fired Carl and spent fucking bank to get what thought to be the best GM on the market back in 2009. PhD... LMAO

KChiefer
10-19-2012, 08:51 PM
everyone in KC cares if the Chiefs win except for Clark Hunt. He's just rolling in benjamins off of what his dad built. He's nothing, he's never accomplished a damn thing in his life. Oh he went to a good college you say and got good grades. **** you, if I had infinite wealth, I'd have at least one STD by now.

FYP :p

just sayin, if I had bank I'd do less work on a doctorate and more "playing doctor."

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-19-2012, 09:06 PM
How much of Clarks own money did he spend on the renovations of Arrowhead?

I'm pretty sure he went above and beyond what was expected of him.


I don't think for one second he is happy with the results on the field for what Scott Pioli has delivered to the fans. He may hold off to fire him just to see during this season if things get turned around, but I'm expecting Pioli to get fired otherwise.


Hunt made all that money back and then some. Staying 30m under the cap in 09 25m 10 23m in 11

CaliforniaChief
10-19-2012, 09:11 PM
37,000 Deb Detwiler's won't keep Clark fom firing Piloli.

The Arrowhead Mystique is in hibernation.

When I think about building a Chiefs championship culture, something that is unique to Kansas City Chiefs football, this has to be at the top.

Bring back Arrowhead invincibility. Of course the product on the field is the biggest thing here, but there has to be reconsideration of cost and ways to fill the club level.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2012, 09:16 PM
Of course the product on the field is the biggest thing here, but there has to be reconsideration of cost and ways to fill the club level.

That's entirely up to Clark.

At some point in time, the owners will realize that the gate is miniscule when compared to TV money, then reduce ticket and parking prices significantly to reclaim home field advantage.

Will Clark be a leader or a follower?

CaliforniaChief
10-19-2012, 09:19 PM
That's entirely up to Clark.

At some point in time, the owners will realize that the gate is miniscule when compared to TV money, then reduce ticket and parking prices significantly to reclaim home field advantage.

Will Clark be a leader or a follower?

Not to mention the increase in buzz around the team, generating more sales of merchandise. This city...this fanbase...we WANT to support this team. Like you said, Clark can make it all happen.