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Fat Elvis
10-18-2012, 09:10 PM
Oh for the days of non-violent protests.

You know, Clark doesn't give a diddly about the fan. His money comes from TV revenues. Everyone knows it.

What happens if the fans disrupt the game--non-violently--with a Pioli Zombie Invasion before kickoff?

It is a Gandhi-esque tactic. Hit your oppressor in the pocket-book.

If you have several hundred or a couple thousand Pioli Zombies invade the field before kickoff, it stops the game--and the broadcast of the game. Have the zombies just lay on the field. Police would have to drag them off.

Do you think that is an image that the NFL wants to project to the rest of the world? A fun, family-friendly activity is turned into a police action? Not on your life.

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone really has the nads to do this.

It is the perfect metaphor, however, Clark and Pioli are killing this storied franchise and the "dead" (or undead) fans on the field are proof.

I hate to break it to you, but banners before a game aren't going to accomplish a single thing. If Clark isn't going to listen you , you have to make the message louder.

listopencil
10-18-2012, 09:16 PM
That would be hilarious to see.

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 09:16 PM
Be a good Halloween deal. I just might do it :)

Lonewolf Ed
10-18-2012, 09:17 PM
Seeing as how you'd get charged with trespassing, I doubt thousands of folks would want to have a misdemeanor on their records over a football team.

On the other hand, as a nice guy, it could really help me out on the dating scene. I could be... dangerous... then. Chicks dig bad boys.

Dave Lane
10-18-2012, 09:17 PM
You would need to have enough people to overwhelm the stink eye crew and the ushers as we rushed the field. Need at least 100 or so.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2012, 09:20 PM
Secret Service will break you

FAX
10-18-2012, 09:49 PM
Naked. Do it with a couple thousand naked zombies and you will have won the war without ever having to fire a shot.

FAX

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2012, 09:50 PM
Naked. Do it with a couple thousand naked zombies and you will have won the war without ever having to fire a shot.

FAX

Naked Zombie Midgets. Clark would be forced to make a change right then and there.

qabbaan
10-18-2012, 09:51 PM
A whole bunch of idiots getting arrested isn't going to help the movement.

KCjustin
10-18-2012, 10:34 PM
Naked Zombie Midgets. Clark would be forced to make a change right then and there.

You had me at, "midgets."

Count Alex's Losses
10-18-2012, 10:35 PM
Another terrible idea from a terrible poster.

Bewbies
10-19-2012, 12:53 AM
Pioli zombie costumes on Halloween is a good idea. Laying on the field before a game is retarded.

Phobia
10-19-2012, 01:38 AM
You go. I'm right behind you.

Raiderhater58
10-19-2012, 02:16 AM
You go. I'm right behind you.


This

Rausch
10-19-2012, 05:32 AM
A whole bunch of idiots getting arrested isn't going to help the movement.

This.

I would prefer to have all KC fans wear black at home games.

This is a franchise in mourning over the death of our team...

Ace Gunner
10-19-2012, 06:06 AM
funny but meaningless. really, ppl can read. banners & news about banner ppl. and JW fueling nat'l attn. it's already got Pioli scrambling for the spin handle.

Gonzo
10-19-2012, 08:57 AM
funny but meaningless. really, ppl can read. banners & news about banner ppl. and JW fueling nat'l attn. it's already got Pioli scrambling for the spin handle.

I'm not going to pay attention to you because you're too lazy to type an "e" and an "o" in the word people. It really shows me that you're not committed enough to the cause, sir.

J Diddy
10-19-2012, 09:01 AM
Naked Zombie Midgets. Clark would be forced to make a change right then and there.

Truth be told, I'd prefer naked zombie midgets to most of anything.

HemiEd
10-19-2012, 09:12 AM
Someone was drunk early.

Fat Elvis
10-19-2012, 09:25 AM
A whole bunch of idiots getting arrested isn't going to help the movement.

You're delusional if you believe there is a "movement." Flying a banner over Arrowhead before a game doesn't constitute a "movement." All you have right now is a little bitchfest that no one outside of KC really knows about or gives two shits about. For all intents and purposes, the fans and thier message are still invisible. You're not going to get any change until you put some skin in the game--and I hate to tell you, but $20 isn't going to cut it.

Look, I'm not one to participate in a Pioli Zombie Invasion because I really don't care one way or another. I'm not going to spend any money to buy a ticket to go to the game.

For those of you who think this is a "movement," just don't be surprised when, in April, Scott Pioli drafts Glen Dorsey's replacement with the Chiefs first round pick.

DMAC
10-19-2012, 09:28 AM
When Cassel trots out, everyone storm the field and just don't let them play.

J Diddy
10-19-2012, 09:30 AM
When Cassel trots out, everyone storm the field and just don't let them play.

I don't want to kill the guy. Based on past experience, every time someone runs at him he drops and goes into the fetal position. He'll get trampled.

FAX
10-19-2012, 10:16 AM
You're delusional if you believe there is a "movement." Flying a banner over Arrowhead before a game doesn't constitute a "movement." All you have right now is a little bitchfest that no one outside of KC really knows about or gives two shits about. For all intents and purposes, the fans and thier message are still invisible. You're not going to get any change until you put some skin in the game--and I hate to tell you, but $20 isn't going to cut it.

Look, I'm not one to participate in a Pioli Zombie Invasion because I really don't care one way or another. I'm not going to spend any money to buy a ticket to go to the game.

For those of you who think this is a "movement," just don't be surprised when, in April, Scott Pioli drafts Glen Dorsey's replacement with the Chiefs first round pick.

I don't know, Mr. Fat Elvis ... there are a crap load of "followers" on that tweeter place that sound just like Mr. htismaqe after trying the punch at the Lucrezia Borgia Home For Re-Wed Mothers open house.

A lot of people are down with the "Sea of Black" idea and many have donated money. I'd say it's a movement ... or, at least, it is movement in the right direction. My guess would be that 75% of the fan base is what you would call fed up with Pioligo.

But we can be certain that nothing will change if we fold our tent now. We need to keep the pressure on and not lose what momentum that's been created.

FAX

HemiEd
10-19-2012, 10:57 AM
I see it as a movement and think it will get some of the desired results as long as things stay classy.

Creating a situation where Pioli can deflect and vilify the fans in Clark's eyes is the scenario that needs to be avoided at all cost IMO.

Some degree of finesse should be exhibited to avoid putting Clark into a position of appearing to lose control of the decision making.

Dave Lane
10-19-2012, 11:11 AM
I disagree. This amount of attention and going to this great lengths would have coverage non stop on every talk show and even the mainstream non-sports related media.

Not a chance Pioli survives that. That said I think its probably better left undone.

htismaqe
10-19-2012, 11:13 AM
there are a crap load of "followers" on that tweeter place that sound just like Mr. htismaqe after trying the punch at the Lucrezia Borgia Home For Re-Wed Mothers open house.

WTF?

LMAO

Rausch
10-19-2012, 11:15 AM
WTF?

LMAO

Way too early to break that $3it down...

Ace Gunner
10-19-2012, 11:20 AM
I'm not going to pay attention to you because you're too lazy to type an "e" and an "o" in the word people. It really shows me that you're not committed enough to the cause, sir.

gosh. I was close. real close. If I were to do those things you said, do you think maybe I should perhaps add a second 'e' also:D

Fat Elvis
10-19-2012, 11:47 AM
I don't know, Mr. Fat Elvis ... there are a crap load of "followers" on that tweeter place that sound just like Mr. htismaqe after trying the punch at the Lucrezia Borgia Home For Re-Wed Mothers open house.

A lot of people are down with the "Sea of Black" idea and many have donated money. I'd say it's a movement ... or, at least, it is movement in the right direction. My guess would be that 75% of the fan base is what you would call fed up with Pioligo.

But we can be certain that nothing will change if we fold our tent now. We need to keep the pressure on and not lose what momentum that's been created.

FAX

Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

dlphg9
10-19-2012, 11:53 AM
Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

You butt hurt because your idea is retarded? Its during the Bengals game BTW.

FAX
10-19-2012, 12:03 PM
Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

Great points, Mr. Fat Elvis.

I don't have time to respond to all your arguments right now, but I will later today because I'm very interested in this situation. It's a case study the likes of which we haven't seen in awhile and discussions like these are very useful in understanding the dynamics in play.

Meanwhile, I'll just say this; I honestly think you're slightly misreading the circumstances. In fact, I would probably tend to agree with you more completely if the Chiefs hadn't been making PR blunders by the basketful (for example, blocking hundreds of fans on that tweeter deal). There is anxiety behind the scenes at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Not only can I feel it in my gut, but there is evidence that has nothing whatsoever to do with ChiefsPlanet.

If the Chiefs weren't concerned, their responses to date would look very different. There's another factor, as well ... unusually, we have several writers involved ... Whitlock, Mellinger, Babb, etc. who are beating the drum with enthusiasm ... that's important to remember. We're not talking about an isolated, small group of disgruntled fans, here.

Anyhow, more later.

FAX

Rausch
10-19-2012, 12:15 PM
Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be?

That there aren't very many Chiefs fans there.

And that perception would be correct.

If season ticket holders have paid good money and devoted time to plan family events and they can't enjoy them the least they can do is voice their displeasure.

They can make a statement...

whoman69
10-19-2012, 03:52 PM
I still say the only way to hit them in the pocketbook is not to go. Set up your tailgates at a neutral location and skip the game in protest.

Dicky McElephant
10-19-2012, 03:55 PM
Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

116 may have donated.....but SaveOurChiefs has over 70,000 twitter followers. It's not just 116 people who are behind this.

Fat Elvis
10-19-2012, 04:21 PM
116 may have donated.....but SaveOurChiefs has over 70,000 twitter followers. It's not just 116 people who are behind this.

70K twitter followers doesn't mean anything if they (or at least a significant portion of them) aren't willing to actually do something.....

qabbaan
10-19-2012, 09:15 PM
Look, I'm not one to participate in a Pioli Zombie Invasion because I really don't care one way or another. I'm not going to spend any money to buy a ticket to go to the game.

"Look, I'm not going to do this, but I think some other people should do it."

ROFL

This is something those Occupy or PETA morons would do.

BigMeatballDave
10-19-2012, 09:58 PM
Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

You might want to check the schedule.

FAX
10-19-2012, 10:12 PM
70K twitter followers doesn't mean anything if they (or at least a significant portion of them) aren't willing to actually do something.....

You should check out the dialogue taking place on that tweeter platform, Mr. Fat Elvis. This isn't a ChiefsPlanet-centric deal ... far from it.

There's plenty of pain and suffering to go around. And it's spread pretty evenly.

FAX

Fat Elvis
10-19-2012, 11:50 PM
"Look, I'm not going to do this, but I think some other people should do it."

ROFL

This is something those Occupy or PETA morons would do.

No. It's just that I really don't have any emotional or economic investment in the team. When you get down to it, my life isn't going to change one way or another depending on whether Scott Pioli is the GM of the Chiefs or not. If people really want change, they need to understand that sometimes certain methods (not necessarily a Zombie Invasion, but similar tactics) need to be used.

Fat Elvis
10-19-2012, 11:52 PM
You might want to check the schedule.

Black and silver, black and orange... black and yellow hoodies. Big difference.:rolleyes:

Dayze
10-20-2012, 12:17 AM
all I know is, never bet on the white guy.

J Diddy
10-20-2012, 12:21 AM
Black and silver, black and orange... black and yellow hoodies. Big difference.:rolleyes:

You do realize what you advocate is illegal, right?

FAX
10-20-2012, 12:26 AM
No. It's just that I really don't have any emotional or economic investment in the team. When you get down to it, my life isn't going to change one way or another depending on whether Scott Pioli is the GM of the Chiefs or not. If people really want change, they need to understand that sometimes certain methods (not necessarily a Zombie Invasion, but similar tactics) need to be used.

I don't see why a Zombie Invasion is any better than a boycott. Plus, lighter prison sentences means more time can be spent with the family ... and a stable family structure is the bedrock of a culture.

FAX

KILLER_CLOWN
10-20-2012, 07:41 AM
I don't see why a Zombie Invasion is any better than a boycott. Plus, lighter prison sentences means more time can be spent with the family ... and a stable family structure is the bedrock of a culture.

FAX

There is a good chance nothing would come of it, The Chiefs can't risk losing every fan that buys tickets, who else would buy them? They do need us, because they make a lot more money with the stadium full than empty.