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tk13
10-21-2012, 06:23 PM
The Fighting Roethlisbergers vs. the Bengals. I think this is Cincy's first ever appearance on NBC's SNF.

Start Croyle
10-21-2012, 06:26 PM
It is not Sunday Night Football! It is America's Game of the Week!

scott free
10-21-2012, 06:31 PM
Cincy almost never gets a game like this, the crowd should be at full strength for four quarters.

Sorter
10-21-2012, 06:37 PM
MIke Wallace doing his best Bowe impersonation.

scott free
10-21-2012, 06:37 PM
Roethlisberger thinks nothing of pressure, he'll step right up in their face to throw it.

Marcellus
10-21-2012, 06:41 PM
Roethlisberger thinks nothing of pressure, he'll step right up in their face to throw it.

Pretty sure he is a sadist, just ask that girl at the hotel in Colorado or wherever it was.

Sorter
10-21-2012, 06:42 PM
Roethlisberger thinks nothing of pressure, just steps up and rapes it.

FYP

Sorter
10-21-2012, 06:45 PM
Dalton looks good to start off.

milkman
10-21-2012, 06:50 PM
Gutsy call by Lewis.

Ace Gunner
10-21-2012, 06:50 PM
That Steeler DL isn't what it once was. Good call.

tk13
10-21-2012, 06:51 PM
They just pounded the Steelers that drive.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-21-2012, 06:51 PM
So do we Blame Haley for Pitts AWFUL D?

milkman
10-21-2012, 06:52 PM
That was just a physical drive by the Bengals.

scott free
10-21-2012, 06:53 PM
Are we talking football or two years ago?

If Ruthlessraper played in KC, people would be as loving as Mother Theresa & as patient as Job.

tk13
10-21-2012, 06:55 PM
I am amazed nobody on this board has said Jay Gruden for HC of the Chiefs. Or maybe they have and I missed it.

Ace Gunner
10-21-2012, 06:56 PM
So do we Blame Haley for Pitts AWFUL D?

of course:D he's "their coach"

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 06:57 PM
I am amazed nobody on this board has said Jay Gruden for HC of the Chiefs. Or maybe they have and I missed it.

They have. It isn't a bad option.

milkman
10-21-2012, 06:58 PM
I am amazed nobody on this board has said Jay Gruden for HC of the Chiefs. Or maybe they have and I missed it.

He's been mentioned by others before.

I admit, I haven't watched a lot of the Bengals over the last 3 or 20 years, so I haven't formed an opinion on him.

mcaj22
10-21-2012, 07:00 PM
people have said both OC and DCs of the Bengals. Gruden or Zimmer

cdcox
10-21-2012, 07:00 PM
This is the year that age caught up with the Steelers defense.

Bugeater
10-21-2012, 07:01 PM
I am amazed nobody on this board has said Jay Gruden for HC of the Chiefs. Or maybe they have and I missed it.
It's been talked about, but the brother of a Super Bowl winning coach has never won a Super Bowl so we don't want him.

ClevelandBronco
10-21-2012, 07:08 PM
That really should have worked.

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 07:08 PM
people have said both OC and DCs of the Bengals. Gruden or Zimmer

I've heard Zimmer's name mentioned before. I generally do not like a guy who's been around the league that long, compiled that kind of a track record, and yet nobody has ever given him serious consideration for a head coaching job. Reminds me a lot of Ron Rivera. There's got to be something missing. One exception for me right now is Fangio -- I don't worry that he seems over-experienced. I like him as a candidate.

That's what intrigues me about younger coaches like Gruden or Gus Bradley.

DBOSHO
10-21-2012, 07:09 PM
Why didnt we try any of that cool shit when haley was here? Bowe with a bomb to charles?

KCUnited
10-21-2012, 07:09 PM
Lol, I'm not sure I've ever seen a drop like that.

-King-
10-21-2012, 07:09 PM
RoethlINTerception.

ClevelandBronco
10-21-2012, 07:10 PM
And what should have been 7 is now 0.

Good. I despise Ben.

FAX
10-21-2012, 07:11 PM
I've been looking at that twitter place. People are bagging on Haley, but the problem the Steelers have (besides a bad o-line and defense) is Rapethisburger. I feel that his best years are behind him.

FAX

Bugeater
10-21-2012, 07:11 PM
Why didnt we try any of that cool shit when haley was here? Bowe with a bomb to charles?
Because Pioli never called that play

milkman
10-21-2012, 07:11 PM
It's been talked about, but the brother of a Super Bowl winning coach has never won a Super Bowl so we don't want him.

So whenever a Harbaugh brother wins a SB, the other should be fired immediately.

-King-
10-21-2012, 07:17 PM
Rape fumble.

ClevelandBronco
10-21-2012, 07:17 PM
That's perfect. I despise Ben.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:18 PM
cASSHOLE must love watching Ben... The only guy other guy who turns the ball like clock work...

-King-
10-21-2012, 07:21 PM
Touchdown Bengals. Bullet pass.

ClevelandBronco
10-21-2012, 07:21 PM
That's excellent. I despise Ben.

FAX
10-21-2012, 07:21 PM
What a great pass.

FAX

KC Hawks
10-21-2012, 07:21 PM
Gilberry sighting.

milkman
10-21-2012, 07:23 PM
The catch is as impressive as the pass.

That ball zips between two defenders and requires tremendous concentration by Green to not lose sight of it.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:23 PM
Well Ben....now what? You may wanna ask your line to not be, like......Eric not-an-athlete Winston!!

FAX
10-21-2012, 07:24 PM
I have to say it again ...

What. A. Pass.

FAX

BossChief
10-21-2012, 07:24 PM
Did they say Wallace Gilberry recovered the fumble?

Superturtle
10-21-2012, 07:24 PM
Red Rifle?

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:25 PM
Wow....these officials are earning their pay tonight. They may need new flags by the 2nd half..

Superturtle
10-21-2012, 07:25 PM
Jesus Pittsburgh better give SD a call for some stick um.

Mr. Laz
10-21-2012, 07:25 PM
So do we Blame Haley for Pitts AWFUL D?
of course not, we don't blame Haley for anything.


nothing is his fault

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:27 PM
Leading with the helmet? LOL!!!

milkman
10-21-2012, 07:28 PM
of course not, we don't blame Haley for anything.


nothing is his fault


Shut the fuck up, you useless dumbass.

There's only a handful of people that defend Haley, and even most of us that liked Haley recognized his flaws.

Mr. Laz
10-21-2012, 07:30 PM
Shut the fuck up, you useless dumbass.

There's only a handful of people that defend Haley, and even most of us that liked Haley recognized his flaws.
lick my taint, douchebag POS

when i want to hear your opinion i'll ask Mecca's anus.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:30 PM
The one ref is a chrome dome!

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:31 PM
LOL.... Ben needs to punch one of those WRs!

Superturtle
10-21-2012, 07:32 PM
Haley is going to explode if that keeps up.

milkman
10-21-2012, 07:33 PM
lick my taint, douchebag POS

when i want to hear your opinion i'll ask Mecca's anus.


If you weren't caught up in your own stupidity, you'd know that mecca got called out for his stupidity by me nearly as much as you.

But you go ahead keeping swimming in you own drool.

It's okay, we know it's beyond your mental faculties to control,

Reerun_KC
10-21-2012, 07:34 PM
Did we trade Bowe to Pittsburgh?

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:35 PM
Haley is going to explode if that keeps up.

What, is going to the car and get his 9-iron?

Mr. Laz
10-21-2012, 07:36 PM
If you weren't caught up in your own stupidity, you'd know that mecca got called out for his stupidity by me nearly as much as you.

But you go ahead keeping swimming in you own drool.

It's okay, we know it's beyond your mental faculties to control,
i was posting in response to a HALEY DEFENDER in the process of defending Haley.

so your post was as gawd dam irrelevant as it was stupid ... per your norm.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:36 PM
Did we trade Bowe to Pittsburgh?

Haley-coached WRs evidently! They're just trying to do too much!

Reerun_KC
10-21-2012, 07:37 PM
Haley-coached WRs evidently! They're just trying to do too much!

LMAO

Mr. Laz
10-21-2012, 07:37 PM
Haley is going to explode if that keeps up.
we can always hope.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101229043821/headhuntershorrorhouse/images/3/3d/Exploding_head.gif

milkman
10-21-2012, 07:39 PM
i was posting in response to a HALEY DEFENDER in the process of defending Haley.

so your post was as gawd dam irrelevant as it was stupid ... per your norm.

You were making a broad generalization.

And my norm, even if stupid, is well above your IQ.

-King-
10-21-2012, 07:40 PM
Daltoception.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:40 PM
LOL.. Nice!!! I love D-line INTs!! :)

FAX
10-21-2012, 07:41 PM
Ginger quarterbacks have a tough time in this league for some reason.

FAX

FAX
10-21-2012, 07:41 PM
Rapethisburger's arm isn't what it used to be.

FAX

FAX
10-21-2012, 07:42 PM
ROFL

And then he flips it underhand 15 yards.

FAX

NJChiefsFan
10-21-2012, 07:43 PM
Ginger quarterbacks have a tough time in this league for some reason.

FAX

Serves them right. They have it so well in other aspects of life.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:43 PM
Ginger quarterbacks have a tough time in this league for some reason.

FAX

I'd hit it....

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g9fl5Nm81r6f5fio1_1280.jpg

NJChiefsFan
10-21-2012, 07:45 PM
I'd hit it....

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g9fl5Nm81r6f5fio1_1280.jpg

Redhead females and redhead males are on two different social levels.

scott free
10-21-2012, 07:46 PM
HOLY. SH*T.

I had to take SNL's word for it until now, but the Brad Pitt perfume spot is AWFUL... ROFL... how COULD he.

Al Bundy
10-21-2012, 07:47 PM
It's all over for the Bengals tonight. Dalton with a pile of shit Cassel turnover.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:47 PM
Redhead females and redhead males are on two different social levels.

All I said is that I'd hit it (Ginger from Gilligan's Island)... I stand by my word....I'd hit it...

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 07:49 PM
HOLY. SH*T.

I had to take SNL's word for it until now, but the Brad Pitt perfume spot is AWFUL... ROFL... how COULD he.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/American_Cash.JPG/220px-American_Cash.JPG

NJChiefsFan
10-21-2012, 07:50 PM
All I said is that I'd hit it (Ginger from Gilligan's Island)... I stand by my word....I'd hit it...

Fair.

Bugeater
10-21-2012, 07:51 PM
The fuck did that dude pick that ball up for?

Al Bundy
10-21-2012, 07:51 PM
If I were a Bengals fan I would HATE and I mean DESPISE Collinsworth... he is a true fan of the Steelers and is always so happy when the Steelers beat the Bengals.

scott free
10-21-2012, 07:51 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/American_Cash.JPG/220px-American_Cash.JPG

Like he needs it.

Al Bundy
10-21-2012, 07:52 PM
Dalton is a bitchass pussy for kneeling on it... I hope he loses, redheaded chickenshit.

tk13
10-21-2012, 07:52 PM
If I were a Bengals fan I would HATE and I mean DESPISE Collinsworth... he is a true fan of the Steelers and is always so happy when the Steelers beat the Bengals.

You realize Collinsworth was born in Ohio and played for the Bengals, right?

jd1020
10-21-2012, 07:54 PM
Not watching the game but it's nice to see that non-game manager Dalton airin it out for 65 yards.

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 08:06 PM
Not watching the game but it's nice to see that non-game manager Dalton airin it out for 65 yards.

Dalton and Weeden. Two gingers who would be immensely better than what we have.

Not that I'm a fan of drafting a 29 year old QB. But Weeden has been playing excellent football the past 2 weeks. He threw an unbelievable long bomb today that should have been a game winning TD. Kid's got one hell of an arm.

jd1020
10-21-2012, 08:09 PM
Dalton and Weeden. Two gingers who would be immensely better than what we have.

Not that I'm a fan of drafting a 29 year old QB. But Weeden has been playing excellent football the past 2 weeks. He threw an unbelievable long bomb today that should have been a game winning TD. Kid's got one hell of an arm.

I really don't give a damn about "better than what we have."

That's not saying shit.

milkman
10-21-2012, 08:12 PM
Dalton and Weeden. Two gingers who would be immensely better than what we have.

Not that I'm a fan of drafting a 29 year old QB. But Weeden has been playing excellent football the past 2 weeks. He threw an unbelievable long bomb today that should have been a game winning TD. Kid's got one hell of an arm.

That was one good pass among a myriad of stupid throws by Weedon.

FAX
10-21-2012, 08:14 PM
Dalton and Weeden. Two gingers who would be immensely better than what we have.

Not that I'm a fan of drafting a 29 year old QB. But Weeden has been playing excellent football the past 2 weeks. He threw an unbelievable long bomb today that should have been a game winning TD. Kid's got one hell of an arm.

Gingers do not do well in this league, Mr. chiefzilla1501. Check. The. Stats.

In fact, I don't think there's ever been a ginger quarterback who has won a Super Bowl.

Even more factual is the fact that there has never been a ginger Super Bowl MVP.

You can tempt fate, but never double down.

FAX

Rain Man
10-21-2012, 08:16 PM
Holy cow. I had no idea that Casey Hampton was still playing.

And then they mentioned Pacman Jones and my mind was blown. I thought he'd been cut and was selling crack on a street corner somewhere.

FAX
10-21-2012, 08:19 PM
Liberal prison system.

FAX

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 08:24 PM
The lighting in Cinci must suck!

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 08:26 PM
He hit him! LOL... Not doubt!!

FAX
10-21-2012, 08:38 PM
Nice job on the return.

FAX

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 08:39 PM
Nice job on the return.

FAX

Yeah, but another hold... Sheeeeesh... D-linemen could only dream for the officials to be so aware on regular plays from scrimmage..

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 08:40 PM
Time for Ben INT??? LOL!

Mr. Laz
10-21-2012, 08:40 PM
cincy is just dying to lose this game


it's just about over

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 08:40 PM
OMG, a WR catch...... Rare!

Rain Man
10-21-2012, 08:42 PM
Oh, hey! There's Todd! Hi, Todd!

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 08:43 PM
That's a catch!

Woodchuck
10-21-2012, 08:43 PM
Haley has taken every bit of explosiveness out of that offense imo. They have more speed than any group of WRs and they are boring.

milkman
10-21-2012, 08:44 PM
This is a really bad challenge.

siberian khatru
10-21-2012, 08:45 PM
That was one of the worst challenges in history.

Reerun_KC
10-21-2012, 08:48 PM
That was one of the worst challenges in history.
Herman disagrees with you.

GloryDayz
10-21-2012, 08:49 PM
Wow!!!

mcaj22
10-21-2012, 08:50 PM
get em Todd

scott free
10-21-2012, 08:51 PM
He's easy to jeer, but as far as football goes... the kind of pressure that other QB's have to adjust to and wince at, guys falling & grabbing all over their legs... he wades into it.

If there is a Ben Roethlisberger clone out there, i want that guy in KC.

CaliforniaChief
10-21-2012, 08:52 PM
Herman disagrees with you.

That MIGHT be the only worse one. I think I remember it. First he calls a timeout. Then, he throws the challenge flag. He loses the challenge, thus costing us 2 timeouts.

I tell myself these kinds of stories when I find myself longing for yesteryear.

jd1020
10-21-2012, 08:52 PM
He's easy to jeer, but as far as football goes... the kind of pressure that other QB's have to adjust to and wince at, guys falling & grabbing all over their legs... he wades into it.

If there is a Ben Roethlisberger clone out there, i want that guy in KC.

Hide yo wives!

siberian khatru
10-21-2012, 08:53 PM
That MIGHT be the only worse one. I think I remember it. First he calls a timeout. Then, he throws the challenge flag. He loses the challenge, thus costing us 2 timeouts.

I tell myself these kinds of stories when I find myself longing for yesteryear.

I remember that one. I also remember about throwing up when it happened.

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:06 PM
That MIGHT be the only worse one. I think I remember it. First he calls a timeout. Then, he throws the challenge flag. He loses the challenge, thus costing us 2 timeouts.

I tell myself these kinds of stories when I find myself longing for yesteryear.

ROFL

FAX

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Haley has taken every bit of explosiveness out of that offense imo. They have more speed than any group of WRs and they are boring.

There's a problem, though. Their o-line can't pass protect for more than a couple seconds. That, Mr. Woodsponge Chuckpants, negates the wide receivers' speed.

FAX

boogblaster
10-21-2012, 09:09 PM
whats the score .

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:10 PM
whats the score .

24 to something.

I think.

EDIT: I mean, it was at one time.

FAX

Simply Red
10-21-2012, 09:10 PM
Baby Rapist

tk13
10-21-2012, 09:16 PM
LMAO That was the worst acting job of all time.

Reerun_KC
10-21-2012, 09:17 PM
Someone put bowe in Wallace's Jersey tonight.

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:17 PM
Don't see that every day.

FAX

Reerun_KC
10-21-2012, 09:17 PM
That MIGHT be the only worse one. I think I remember it. First he calls a timeout. Then, he throws the challenge flag. He loses the challenge, thus costing us 2 timeouts.

I tell myself these kinds of stories when I find myself longing for yesteryear.
That was an all time classic.

jd1020
10-21-2012, 09:18 PM
LMAO That was the worst acting job of all time.

Meh. I've seen worse.

I think it was the Patriots who did that once, only it was 2 guys at the same time and one of them got up like "oh... you got this."

tk13
10-21-2012, 09:19 PM
Meh. I've seen worse.

I think it was the Patriots who did that once, only it was 2 guys at the same time and one of them got up like "oh... you got this."

Yeah, they used to do that routinely against the Colts to slow them down. It got to the point Indy fans booed every time a Patriots player went down hurt because they figured it was acting.

Al Bundy
10-21-2012, 09:20 PM
Dalton is pure shit.

WV
10-21-2012, 09:20 PM
Come on Bengals.....

mcaj22
10-21-2012, 09:21 PM
the Giants one was by far the worst

lol

http://therynoshorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/fake-fall-gif1.gif

jd1020
10-21-2012, 09:21 PM
Yeah, they used to do that routinely against the Colts to slow them down. It got to the point Indy fans booed every time a Patriots player went down hurt because they figured it was acting.

Good thing Winston wasn't there. It WOULD have been like the Roman Colosseum.

scott free
10-21-2012, 09:21 PM
Didnt hit the ground before control = catch

jd1020
10-21-2012, 09:21 PM
the Giants one was by far the worst

lol

http://therynoshorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/fake-fall-gif1.gif

Thats the one.

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:23 PM
I call that a catch.

FAX

CaliforniaChief
10-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Want that other challenge back, Marvin?

BCD
10-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Didnt hit the ground before control = catch

I'm not so sure that's a catch.

Tough call.

CaliforniaChief
10-21-2012, 09:24 PM
What a pussy effort on that catch by Wallace.

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 09:25 PM
That was one good pass among a myriad of stupid throws by Weedon.

Weeden has been surprisingly decent the past 2 weeks. With the amount of dropped passes, he was easily a 300 yard passer two weeks in a row for a team that has a really lousy set of receivers. I've watched him quite a bit. Makes several dumb throws a game. Still stares down his primary receiver a bit. But man, he throws a really nice ball and can really sling it downfield. He's a hell of a lot further along than I would have expected. And he could be one year away from making the Browns a playoff team.

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:25 PM
They're saying the ball "spun" in his hands. Guys spin balls all the time while they have possession. I still say that's a catch.

FAX

Sorter
10-21-2012, 09:25 PM
Dalton is pure shit.

10-28 110yds 35.7% 3.93ypa 1TD 1INT 5.3QBR 45.2Rating

Uh, either Freeman is just as bad or both had bad days/played good D's as young players.

mcaj22
10-21-2012, 09:25 PM
tackled by the ref lol

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:26 PM
Damn. I like this guy.

FAX

FAX
10-21-2012, 09:26 PM
His pads were about half-a-foot off the ground when he made contact. Still running.

FAX

Superturtle
10-21-2012, 09:27 PM
That is one big ass rb

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 09:28 PM
I really don't give a damn about "better than what we have."

That's not saying shit.

They are both players that right now would be significantly better than what we have now. I'm not saying we should have drafted Weeden. But he's looking like he will be a very, very nice stopgap for the Browns. Pretty nice situation for the Browns -- if Weeden continues to develop, they draft a QB in the first round in 2013 and then have ability trade Weeden maybe for about the same value he was drafted in.

jd1020
10-21-2012, 09:29 PM
10-28 110yds 35.7% 3.93ypa 1TD 1INT 5.3QBR 45.2Rating

Uh, either Freeman is just as bad or both had bad days/played good D's as young players.

Just as bad.

Both are better than Cassel but worse than half the league.

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 09:29 PM
Gingers do not do well in this league, Mr. chiefzilla1501. Check. The. Stats.

In fact, I don't think there's ever been a ginger quarterback who has won a Super Bowl.

Even more factual is the fact that there has never been a ginger Super Bowl MVP.

You can tempt fate, but never double down.

FAX

Gingers do not have souls. In a league that loves Tim Tebow, they are not given a chance to succeed.

WV
10-21-2012, 09:29 PM
I f'ing hate the Steelers.

nychief
10-21-2012, 09:30 PM
Burfict making everybody look stupid

jd1020
10-21-2012, 09:30 PM
They are both players that right now would be significantly better than what we have now. I'm not saying we should have drafted Weeden. But he's looking like he will be a very, very nice stopgap for the Browns. Pretty nice situation for the Browns -- if Weeden continues to develop, they draft a QB in the first round in 2013 and then have ability trade Weeden maybe for about the same value he was drafted in.

Like I said.. I don't give a fuck about better than what we have now. We have fucking Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi.

There's at least 29 QBs in the league that are better than what we have. I want someone that's going to compete with Rodgers, Brady, Brees, E. Manning, etc...

milkman
10-21-2012, 09:30 PM
They are both players that right now would be significantly better than what we have now. I'm not saying we should have drafted Weeden. But he's looking like he will be a very, very nice stopgap for the Browns. Pretty nice situation for the Browns -- if Weeden continues to develop, they draft a QB in the first round in 2013 and then have ability trade Weeden maybe for about the same value he was drafted in.

No one is going to give up a first round pick for a 30 year old 2nd year QB.

Sorter
10-21-2012, 09:31 PM
Move Pouncey to guard?/Pioli

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 09:39 PM
No one is going to give up a first round pick for a 30 year old 2nd year QB.

If Matt Cassel can be traded to the Chiefs for a second rounder on a limited resume, so can Weeden on a better resume. I wouldn't rule out being able to get a 2nd round pick for him, if I'm the Browns. There are several teams that would gladly shop for a stopgap or several coaches/GMs who need a QB to save their job.

This is all, of course, dependent on the Browns drafting a QB in 2013. I believe they will.

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 09:43 PM
Like I said.. I don't give a **** about better than what we have now. We have ****ing Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi.

There's at least 29 QBs in the league that are better than what we have. I want someone that's going to compete with Rodgers, Brady, Brees, E. Manning, etc...

Your whole recipe is dependent on the ridiculous idea that you build your team around an elite QB. These guys are once in a generation type of guys. And rarely do you get lucky and end up being really bad in a season where an elite QB happens to be at the top of the draft.

I'm sure the Panthers knew they weren't getting Eli when they drafted Cam Newton. Same with Miami when they drafted Tannehill. You can't just wait for the perfect QB to fall into your lap. You have to keep swinging. I mean, who really fucking cares if the Chiefs burn a low first round pick for this kind of QB and he doesn't end up being a world-beater?

The only reason we are lucking into a QB is because our coach is so horrendously bad that we're in a position to take one. If Romeo was half-competent, we'd again be sitting at a #20 draft position and people like you would suggest that there's no QB worth taking because he doesn't have Eli Manning upside.

milkman
10-21-2012, 09:43 PM
If Matt Cassel can be traded to the Chiefs for a second rounder on a limited resume, so can Weeden on a better resume. I wouldn't rule out being able to get a 2nd round pick for him, if I'm the Browns. There are several teams that would gladly shop for a stopgap or several coaches/GMs who need a QB to save their job.

This is all, of course, dependent on the Browns drafting a QB in 2013. I believe they will.

2nd round pick is not the same value of the pick they used to draft him, and Cassel came with Vrabel for that 2nd round pick that the Chiefs gave up.

WV
10-21-2012, 09:45 PM
Cassel came with Vrabel .
Salt in the wound.

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 09:46 PM
2nd round pick is not the same value of the pick they used to draft him, and Cassel came with Vrabel for that 2nd round pick that the Chiefs gave up.

No, it's not. So let me rephrase. If you draft Weeden and are able to repackage him for a competitive pick in the future, it's still a great draft pick.

jd1020
10-21-2012, 09:53 PM
Your whole recipe is dependent on the ridiculous idea that you build your team around an elite QB. These guys are once in a generation type of guys. And rarely do you get lucky and end up being really bad in a season where an elite QB happens to be at the top of the draft.

Want to fill me in on the other recipe that has worked in the last decade?

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 09:56 PM
Want to fill me in on the other recipe that has worked in the last decade?

The one part of the recipe that other teams have used that we have not is drafting a QB in the first day of the draft.

I don't know what Andy Dalton turns out to be. But I'd be happy to have him right now. I'll tell you that much.

BryanBusby
10-21-2012, 10:03 PM
Andy Dalton will end up being just okay and will look better because he's throwing to a insane talented WR until his contract is up, Mike Brown gets hella cheap and AJ Green goes elsewhere.

FAX
10-21-2012, 10:07 PM
Your whole recipe is dependent on the ridiculous idea that you build your team around an elite QB. These guys are once in a generation type of guys. And rarely do you get lucky and end up being really bad in a season where an elite QB happens to be at the top of the draft.

I'm sure the Panthers knew they weren't getting Eli when they drafted Cam Newton. Same with Miami when they drafted Tannehill. You can't just wait for the perfect QB to fall into your lap. You have to keep swinging. I mean, who really ****ing cares if the Chiefs burn a low first round pick for this kind of QB and he doesn't end up being a world-beater?

The only reason we are lucking into a QB is because our coach is so horrendously bad that we're in a position to take one. If Romeo was half-competent, we'd again be sitting at a #20 draft position and people like you would suggest that there's no QB worth taking because he doesn't have Eli Manning upside.

I'm suddenly having difficulty with some of the "givens" being pronounced all over around this place.

Let me ask you a question or two, Mr. chiefzilla1501. All other things being equal like wide receivers, run game, defense, etc., do you think Philip Rivers has the raw skill and football acumen necessary to win a Super Bowl? How about Cutler? Does he?

FAX

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 10:12 PM
I'm suddenly having difficulty with some of the "givens" being pronounced all over around this place.

Let me ask you a question or two, Mr. chiefzilla1501. All other things being equal like wide receivers, run game, defense, etc., do you think Philip Rivers has the raw skill and football acumen necessary to win a Super Bowl? How about Cutler? Does he?

FAX

With the right coaching staff, probably yes on Rivers. Not a fan of Cutler.

We have to deal with the reality. We deal with the delusion that we have to get Eli Manning or Peyton Manning. There are usually about 5 of those in a given decade. If you're one of the other 27 teams, you have to take chances and swing and miss. Trading for Cutler and Cassel wasn't a mistake. Relying so heavily on them as the answer instead of keeping swinging was the mistake.

mcaj22
10-21-2012, 10:31 PM
Andy Dalton will end up being just okay and will look better because he's throwing to a insane talented WR until his contract is up, Mike Brown gets hella cheap and AJ Green goes elsewhere.

AJ Green and Jon Baldwin are the same player Scotty


/Bill Parcells

FAX
10-21-2012, 10:33 PM
With the right coaching staff, probably yes on Rivers. Not a fan of Cutler.

We have to deal with the reality. We deal with the delusion that we have to get Eli Manning or Peyton Manning. There are usually about 5 of those in a given decade. If you're one of the other 27 teams, you have to take chances and swing and miss. Trading for Cutler and Cassel wasn't a mistake. Relying so heavily on them as the answer instead of keeping swinging was the mistake.

I'm not arguing with you, Mr. chiefzilla1501 (at least, not yet).

So, given the right circumstances and based on his talent level and football knowledge, you think Rivers could win a Super Bowl but Cutler couldn't. Right?

FAX

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 11:02 PM
I'm not arguing with you, Mr. chiefzilla1501 (at least, not yet).

So, given the right circumstances and based on his talent level and football knowledge, you think Rivers could win a Super Bowl but Cutler couldn't. Right?

FAX

It's a tough one. I don't think Norv Turner is bringing any team to the Super Bowl, but Rivers brought a Norv team as far as you'd expect. I don't think Cutler would unless surrounded by the right players. Kind of like Romeo Crennel, all the talent in the world, but not a damn person would want to follow that guy.

The point being... finding an elite QB is really hard. And we too often act like just using a top 10 pick solves everything. Lots of teams spend top 10 picks on QBs that don't pan out or are basically Rivers/Cutler/Hasselbeck level. But you gotta keep swinging, and I disagree with jd that because Dalton isn't winning Super Bowls in his second season, we should somehow dismiss him as a potential franchise QB. Let's not forget that this time last year, people were convinced Cam Newton had star potential and that Matt Ryan had an arrow down.

FAX
10-21-2012, 11:24 PM
It's a tough one. I don't think Norv Turner is bringing any team to the Super Bowl, but Rivers brought a Norv team as far as you'd expect. I don't think Cutler would unless surrounded by the right players. Kind of like Romeo Crennel, all the talent in the world, but not a damn person would want to follow that guy.

The point being... finding an elite QB is really hard. And we too often act like just using a top 10 pick solves everything. Lots of teams spend top 10 picks on QBs that don't pan out or are basically Rivers/Cutler/Hasselbeck level. But you gotta keep swinging, and I disagree with jd that because Dalton isn't winning Super Bowls in his second season, we should somehow dismiss him as a potential franchise QB. Let's not forget that this time last year, people were convinced Cam Newton had star potential and that Matt Ryan had an arrow down.

Okay ... I get all that.

But honestly, the question is really simple. And I'm not attempting to use some kind of Socratic method to trap you or make the weaker argument defeat the stronger. I'm not even thinking of arguing with you. Now or in the future. If I am, may I drink Hemlock juice.

Forget Norv. Forget Roleo. Forget Dalton and Hasselbeck and all that other stuff. All I'm asking is this; assuming everything else is equal ... coaching, players, scheme, time of day, and what they ate for breakfast, etc. ... let's even say that their opponents are equal to their team in skill and experience across the board so there is no particular advantage at any position or in coaching, okay?

Do you think Rivers has the talent and football knowledge necessary to win a Super Bowl? Yes or no.
Do you think Cutler has the talent and football knowledge necessary to win a Super Bowl? Yes or no.

And since it's so damn difficult to get you to answer a simple question, I'll get one more in on this post just in case I get lucky.

Do you think Schaub has the talent and football knowledge necessary to win a Super Bowl? Yes or no.

FAX

chiefzilla1501
10-21-2012, 11:47 PM
Okay ... I get all that.

But honestly, the question is really simple. And I'm not attempting to use some kind of Socratic method to trap you or make the weaker argument defeat the stronger. I'm not even thinking of arguing with you. Now or in the future. If I am, may I drink Hemlock juice.

Forget Norv. Forget Roleo. Forget Dalton and Hasselbeck and all that other stuff. All I'm asking is this; assuming everything else is equal ... coaching, players, scheme, time of day, and what they ate for breakfast, etc. ... let's even say that their opponents are equal to their team in skill and experience across the board so there is no particular advantage at any position or in coaching, okay?

Do you think Rivers has the talent and football knowledge necessary to win a Super Bowl? Yes or no.
Do you think Cutler has the talent and football knowledge necessary to win a Super Bowl? Yes or no.

And since it's so damn difficult to get you to answer a simple question, I'll get one more in on this post just in case I get lucky.

Do you think Schaub has the talent and football knowledge necessary to win a Super Bowl? Yes or no.

FAX

Sorry, must have been a disconnect.

Are any of those guys rare QB talents who can single-handedly lead a team to the Super Bowl by themselves? No. That's why I'm saying guys like Rodgers and Brady, etc... are such rarities.

Can these guys win a Super Bowl behind a good supporting cast? Rivers can. Schaub needs a bit of help. Cutler needs a TON of help and luck on his side.

We're just at an era where 4 or 5 QBs are winning the majority of Super Bowls. But we shouldn't make it sound like those guys are in any way easy to find. Lots of teams like Houston and San Diego have good QBs that aren't elite.

FAX
10-22-2012, 12:12 AM
Okay, thanks.

So the answer is; Rivers, yes. Cutler, no. Schaub, no.

Is that correct?

FAX

chiefzilla1501
10-22-2012, 12:52 AM
Okay, thanks.

So the answer is; Rivers, yes. Cutler, no. Schaub, no.

Is that correct?

FAX

Rivers can do it, but under a very good coach
Schaub is a longshot
Cutler is a very big longshot

AussieChiefsFan
10-22-2012, 02:16 AM
Roethlesberger punting the ball was a nice touch.

DeezNutz
10-22-2012, 05:25 AM
If Weeden shows legit flashes this year, the Browns are not trading him or drafting over him. That team will attempt to add another viable piece of two to continue to build.

And it perfectly reasonable to end up with a next-tier guy (think Flacco, Schaub, Rivers, Cutler) in an effort to acquire an elite QB. All of the QBs whom I've listed also have the necessary talent to win a SB. Do all of them have the necessary intangibles? Perhaps not, but that's a different discussion.

Right now, we need talent, and we have to hope that our (new? please...) GM can correctly select a highly talented QB who is also a fine leader. Cassel, while a nice guy, possesses neither of these characteristics.

beach tribe
10-22-2012, 06:45 AM
Burfict making everybody look stupid

Not me. I wanted him sooo bad in the 6th-7th. I had no doubt that this guy was going to be a hell of a player. I like Belcher, but think this guy would have been awesome in the "thumper" role.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 08:44 AM
Okay, thanks.

So the answer is; Rivers, yes. Cutler, no. Schaub, no.

Is that correct?

FAX

Schaub has a better chance of winning it all than either Rivers or Cutler.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 08:47 AM
Anybody notice the stats they were throwing up before the game/early in the game about the Steelers offense?

Sacks - down. Yards - up. Efficiency - 2nd in the NFL. And on and on and on.

Say what you want about that crazy motherfucker, he's a good offensive mind.

And we're stuck with fucking Romeo.

Chiefnj2
10-22-2012, 08:49 AM
Anybody notice the stats they were throwing up before the game/early in the game about the Steelers offense?

Sacks - down. Yards - up. Efficiency - 2nd in the NFL. And on and on and on.

Say what you want about that crazy mother****er, he's a good offensive mind.

And we're stuck with ****ing Romeo.

Yet Rapes was criticizing it.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 08:51 AM
Yet Rapes was criticizing it.

He was resistant to change, yes. He had a very close relationship with Arians.

Is Big Ben saying anything about it now? I certainly haven't heard him say anything bad in quite some time.

Woodchuck
10-22-2012, 08:54 AM
Roethlesberger punting the ball was a nice touch.

That was cool. I remember seeing Kordell Stewart do that years ago.

As for Haley, I am rooting against him. His WRs have all the speed in the world and he's running a short passing game. It's pretty ironic when you think about how he tried to force a downfield passing game in KC. He has made a big play offense boring. Also, what about the drops? Could he have a hand in the drops? These guys didn't used to drop balls. Here's an interesting tidbit from Peter king this morning.

4. I think you should watch for chinks in the Steeler offensive harmony. Ben Roethlisberger has been taking little shots at first-year offensive coordinator Todd Haley, and Friday, he told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, "Haley's offense is not a big-play offense. It's kind of a dink-and-dunk offense." Asked about wanting more downfield throws, Roethlisberger said: "There's a guy calling the plays. That's on him." There was a gulf between Haley and his quarterback in Kansas City, Matt Cassel, and now there might be some with Roethlisberger.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/10/21/week-7/index.html#ixzz2A2XJ5IdW

Chiefnj2
10-22-2012, 09:00 AM
He was resistant to change, yes. He had a very close relationship with Arians.

Is Big Ben saying anything about it now? I certainly haven't heard him say anything bad in quite some time.

Sunday morning:

In a story in Sunday's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Ben Roethlisberger had the following exchange with writer Joe Starkey.

Roethlisberger: "Haley's offense is not a big-play offense, it's kind of a dink-and-dunk offense."

Starkey: "Is there room for more quick strikes?"

Roethlisberger: "We did that last week (82-yard pass to Mike Wallace)."

Starkey: "Right, but you never went back to it."

Roethlisberger: "There's a guy calling the plays. That's on him."

theelusiveeightrop
10-22-2012, 09:03 AM
Todd Haley is a genius. How'd he get away?

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 09:04 AM
Sunday morning:

In a story in Sunday's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Ben Roethlisberger had the following exchange with writer Joe Starkey.

Roethlisberger: "Haley's offense is not a big-play offense, it's kind of a dink-and-dunk offense."

Starkey: "Is there room for more quick strikes?"

Roethlisberger: "We did that last week (82-yard pass to Mike Wallace)."

Starkey: "Right, but you never went back to it."

Roethlisberger: "There's a guy calling the plays. That's on him."

So Ben is unhappy with the playcalling, although they've improve in nearly every facet, including his own personal stats?

Wow.

Woodchuck
10-22-2012, 09:15 AM
So Ben is unhappy with the playcalling, although they've improve in nearly every facet, including his own personal stats?

Wow.

I can't blame him. Haley is taking away Ben's game. He might prolong his career but they aren't going to win any more championships hamstringing him like that imo. It's just another case of Todd Haley trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

You are consumed by stats man...