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KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 12:23 AM
http://kansascity.sbnation.com/2012/10/21/3533798/hunt-family-mls-columbus-crew

Hadn't seen this posted on here yet.

Not sure that it means anything, but it's partially Chiefs related.

CaliforniaChief
10-22-2012, 12:26 AM
Hmmmmm.....

FAX
10-22-2012, 12:26 AM
That's great news.

FAX

CaliforniaChief
10-22-2012, 12:28 AM
Hey Clark, note how the encouragement was for local ownership. Just sayin'. We have a gang of people that know realtors in Leawood that we can hook you up with.

BossChief
10-22-2012, 12:28 AM
How many other soccer teams does the guy own?...does this make the Chiefs the only team he owns?

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 12:29 AM
How many other soccer teams does the guy own?...does this make the Chiefs the only team he owns?

Apparently he owns 2 right now. If he sells the Crew, he will own the Chiefs, and FC Dallas. I believe. Either way, more focus needs to be on the Chiefs. And selling a franchise should only help turn a little more focus onto the Chiefs. Maybe not much, but he needs to be more involved.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 12:30 AM
Interesting. I wonder if this is a harbinger of things to come...

CaliforniaChief
10-22-2012, 12:30 AM
Apparently he owns 2 right now. If he sells the Crew, he will own the Chiefs, and FC Dallas. I believe.

That is correct. Also, his middle name is Knobel. WTF?

BossChief
10-22-2012, 12:31 AM
Interesting. I wonder if this is a harbinger of things to come...

hopefully.

CaliforniaChief
10-22-2012, 12:33 AM
The Chiefs fan in me hopes that Clark is going "all in" on the Chiefs.

The Kansas City fan in me tells me that David Glass will probably buy the Columbus team.

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 12:34 AM
That is correct. Also, his middle name is Knobel. WTF?

I wonder why this guy was never interested in owning the Chiefs. Why did it have to be Clark is my question.


http://lamarhuntjr.com/

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 12:35 AM
The Chiefs fan in me hopes that Clark is going "all in" on the Chiefs.

The Kansas City fan in me tells me that David Glass will probably buy the Columbus team.

In all seriousness it's up for sale because the MLS wants local owners. So Ohio.

kcfanXIII
10-22-2012, 12:36 AM
its so he can buy sporting kc and destroy that franchise. kansas citians were perfectly happy as long as the chiefs were better then the royals. then this soccer team came along and reminded them what winning felt like... now they expect it from the chiefs too.

LiveSteam
10-22-2012, 12:36 AM
Interesting. I wonder if this is a harbinger of things to come...

Dnt tease man

CaliforniaChief
10-22-2012, 12:39 AM
Look, I don't want Clark to sell the team. I want Clark to go all in on the Chiefs, move to Kansas City, send Patrioli's ass back to Boston, and hire a new GM who will trade Cassel for a 6th/release him, draft a QB in the first, and get this ship moving in the right direction.

Phobia
10-22-2012, 12:40 AM
I wonder why this guy was never interested in owning the Chiefs. Why did it have to be Clark is my question.


http://lamarhuntjr.com/

Um. All four Hunt children own the Chiefs. Clark is the face. Lamar Jr. has some controversial issues in his past that potentially eliminate him from being the figurehead.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 12:42 AM
I wonder why this guy was never interested in owning the Chiefs. Why did it have to be Clark is my question.


http://lamarhuntjr.com/

ROFL

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/120999/sta_120999007.shtml

-King-
10-22-2012, 12:42 AM
I wonder why this guy was never interested in owning the Chiefs. Why did it have to be Clark is my question.


http://lamarhuntjr.com/

Lamar graduated from the University of Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music with a Bachelor of Music Degree and later completed a Master of the Arts degree in counseling at Dallas Baptist University.

vs.

After graduating from St. Mark's School of Texas, [Clark] went on to finish first in his class at Southern Methodist University, where he was a captain of SMU's nationally-ranked soccer team and a two-time Academic All-American. He also received a Masters of Business Administration from SMU.

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 12:43 AM
Um. All four Hunt children own the Chiefs. Clark is the face. Lamar Jr. has some controversial issues in his past that potentially eliminate him from being the figurehead.

Makes sense. Never really thought about that though.

What happened with Lamar Jr?

Edit: OH....

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 12:43 AM
Um. All four Hunt children own the Chiefs. Clark is the face. Lamar Jr. has some controversial issues in his past that potentially eliminate him from being the figurehead.

That was nice.

:D

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 12:45 AM
Makes sense. Never really thought about that though.

What happened with Lamar Jr?

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/120999/sta_120999007.shtml

For starters.

There's more. MUCH more.

But that's not for public consumption.

BossChief
10-22-2012, 12:46 AM
Ever watch the movie hostel?

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 12:47 AM
Sex with his mental handicap sister-in-law.

Jesus.

AussieChiefsFan
10-22-2012, 12:47 AM
Interesting.:hmmm:

KILLER_CLOWN
10-22-2012, 12:47 AM
Sex with his mental handicap sister-in-law.

Jesus.

This describes Pioli's tenure here as well.

Phobia
10-22-2012, 12:48 AM
That was nice.

:D

Indeed. I'm a nice person.

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 12:48 AM
http://www.lamarhuntjrcounseling.com/

lol he does marital counseling.

chiefzilla1501
10-22-2012, 12:51 AM
Columbus could be a good soccer market. I know a few fans from Ohio who are really happy about this. They've been bitching about Hunt being cheap in this market for years.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 12:52 AM
Sex with his mental handicap sister-in-law.

Jesus.

For starters.

Phobia
10-22-2012, 12:56 AM
http://www.lamarhuntjrcounseling.com/

lol he does marital counseling.

He's probably pretty good at it.

Rule #1: Do not make advances on your sister-in-law.
Rule #2: If you do, don't write a tell-all letter to your wife detailing the events.

I'm guessing he won't make enough at the marriage counseling gig his entire life to cover the cost of the settlement with his former sister-in-law and that doesn't even begin to cover what the ex-wife got in the deal.

This story used to be all over the web a decade ago but most the sources have disappeared slowly over the years.

Nightfyre
10-22-2012, 12:57 AM
Is it bad if I thought, "Worthless without pics"?

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 01:00 AM
He's probably pretty good at it.

Rule #1: Do not make advances on your sister-in-law.
Rule #2: If you do, don't write a tell-all letter to your wife detailing the events.

I'm guessing he won't make enough at the marriage counseling gig his entire life to cover the cost of the settlement with his former sister-in-law and that doesn't even begin to cover what the ex-wife got in the deal.

This story used to be all over the web a decade ago but most the sources have disappeared slowly over the years.

From what I was told, this wasn't the first and only time.

I'm sure that any psychologist or social worker would likely agree that this type of behavior isn't a "one and done" type of deal.

cdcox
10-22-2012, 01:00 AM
Holy shit, the Chiefs are owned by the Bluth's!

RunKC
10-22-2012, 01:05 AM
Columbus could be a good soccer market. I know a few fans from Ohio who are really happy about this. They've been bitching about Hunt being cheap in this market for years.

How the fuck can Clark be cheap in the MLS? $1 million dollars salary a year is one of the tops for most MLS starters.

Hell about 3/4 of the players only make like 55k a year.

FAX
10-22-2012, 01:10 AM
I view this as a net positive for the Chiefs. Either Clark will be able to focus more attention and time on the Chiefs or he's practicing selling sports teams.

FAX

KILLER_CLOWN
10-22-2012, 01:15 AM
I view this as a net positive for the Chiefs. Either Clark will be able to focus more attention and time on the Chiefs or he's practicing selling sports teams.

FAX

Shift Pioli over to Soccer GM, problem solved.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 01:16 AM
Shift Pioli over to Soccer GM, problem solved.


I'm certain he doesn't know jackshit about soccer, either.

Perfect hire.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-22-2012, 01:20 AM
I'm certain he doesn't know jackshit about soccer, either.

Perfect hire.

What could possibly go wrong with the former NFL executive of the year. ROFL and crying all in one fell swoop.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 01:24 AM
Interesting. I wonder if this is a harbinger of things to come...

In all seriousness it's up for sale because the MLS wants local owners. So Ohio.

Yes and no. This has all been in the works for a while now. The big deal in this move is MLS's desire for no owner to own more than one team. There were times in the past where some owners owning a number of the teams was vital to keep the league going but that is not the case anymore. AEG owned 3 or 4 teams at some point in the past but they currently only own the LA Galaxy and part of the Houston Dynamo.

MLS is trying to get Hunt and AEG to get down to one team but passing ownership to the "right" owner is more important than just dumping them off on someone. Local ownership is strongly strongly desired but I am not sure a lack of it would be a deal breaker if someone wanted to come in and sweep up the Crew. It is interesting though even though he lives in Dallas I see Columbus as a better soccer market and a better organization to run. But who knows.

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 01:32 AM
You might be the only soccer fan I know of... In America.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 01:33 AM
You might be the only soccer fan I know of... In America.

And you live out in JoCo?

You would be surprised.

AussieChiefsFan
10-22-2012, 01:34 AM
You might be the only soccer fan I know of...

http://www.moneysuccesshappiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ProudManPointingAtSelf.jpg

In America.

oh.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 01:36 AM
You might be the only soccer fan I know of... In America.

Uh, what?

SPchief
10-22-2012, 01:38 AM
You might be the only soccer fan I know of... In America.

Well, we figured out a MeMeMe mult. She's setting herself up for a long rebuttal her3.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 01:41 AM
And you live out in JoCo?

You would be surprised.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not a soccer fan. I don't dislike soccer, nor do I hate it, but much like baseball, it's an acquired taste.

That said, soccer in the U.S. is growing exponentially. It's impossible for me, in Los Angeles, to go virtually anywhere without seeing or hearing soccer. I have old friends in JoCo that swear that Sporing KC and their stadium are second to none in terms of value, sight lines and fun.

Again, not my trip but its ludicrous to state that soccer is somehow invisible.

chiefzilla1501
10-22-2012, 01:44 AM
How the **** can Clark be cheap in the MLS? $1 million dollars salary a year is one of the tops for most MLS starters.

Hell about 3/4 of the players only make like 55k a year.

I've been to Crew Stadium before. It's a piece of shit stadium in a horrible location. My friends have told me talks always open up about moving the stadium to the downtown area. The stadium would crush it there. But the Hunts never seemed to want to do anything with the team.

KCrockaholic
10-22-2012, 01:44 AM
Of course I was exaggerating, but I really don't know too many soccer fans. I can count on one hand how many people I know of that actually follow SportingKC, like I do the Chiefs.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 01:45 AM
I'll be the first to admit that I am not a soccer fan. I don't dislike soccer, nor do I hate it, but much like baseball, it's an acquired taste.

That said, soccer in the U.S. is growing exponentially. It's impossible for me, in Los Angeles, to go virtually anywhere without seeing or hearing soccer. I have old friends in JoCo that swear that Sporing KC and their stadium are second to none in terms of value, sight lines and fun.

Again, not my trip but its ludicrous to state that soccer is somehow invisible.

For sure...yea obviously I am all in on soccer but respect your opinion. It is not for everyone but its growth and trajectory are undeniable. It is cool to hear you say that being an LA guy. Even though the Galaxy probably haven't reached their potential and Chivas is the one MLS organization that straight up is not at all working.

SKC has (this is a common opinion not a homer take) the nicest soccer specific stadium in North America. Its just an incredible place.

Local ownership that cares...a team full of likeable players and everyone is obsessed with winning championships and making sure fans have a good time.

Sporting averages more fans per game than there are seats available. Crazy times.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 01:47 AM
I've been to Crew Stadium before. It's a piece of shit stadium in a horrible location. My friends have told me talks always open up about moving the stadium to the downtown area. The stadium would crush it there. But the Hunts never seemed to want to do anything with the team.

The first ever soccer specific stadium...heh...was a big deal back in the day but it is a tin can now.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2012, 01:47 AM
For sure...yea obviously I am all in on soccer but respect your opinion. Itis not for everyone buts growth and trajectory are undeniable.

SKC has (this is a common opinion not a homer take) the nicest soccer specific stadium in North America. Its just can incredible place.

Local ownership that cares...a team full of likeable players and everyone is obsessed with winning championships and making sure fans have a good time.

Sporting averages more fans per game than there are seats available. Crazy times.

I think it's awesome for the fans, KC and soccer.

Maybe someday, if time permits, I'll get into the sport. :)

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 01:50 AM
I think it's awesome for the fans, KC and soccer.

Maybe someday, if time permits, I'll get into the sport. :)

If you ever make it back in town around these parts in season hit me up and I will get you set up for a game. You don't even have to like soccer to have a good time.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c0zBKtfAZCA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

AussieChiefsFan
10-22-2012, 01:51 AM
For sure...yea obviously I am all in on soccer but respect your opinion. It is not for everyone but its growth and trajectory are undeniable. It is cool to hear you say that being an LA guy. Even though the Galaxy probably haven't reached their potential and Chivas is the one MLS organization that straight up is not at all working.

SKC has (this is a common opinion not a homer take) the nicest soccer specific stadium in North America. Its just an incredible place.

Local ownership that cares...a team full of likeable players and everyone is obsessed with winning championships and making sure fans have a good time.

Sporting averages more fans per game than there are seats available. Crazy times.

If you ever make it back in town around these parts in season hit me up and I will get you set up for a game. You don't even have to like soccer to have a good time.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c0zBKtfAZCA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Just awesome!

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 01:55 AM
I'll be the first to admit that I am not a soccer fan. I don't dislike soccer, nor do I hate it, but much like baseball, it's an acquired taste.

That said, soccer in the U.S. is growing exponentially. It's impossible for me, in Los Angeles, to go virtually anywhere without seeing or hearing soccer. I have old friends in JoCo that swear that Sporing KC and their stadium are second to none in terms of value, sight lines and fun.

Again, not my trip but its ludicrous to state that soccer is somehow invisible.


And yet even with their winning and being the post season there just is no major buzz about the team around town. When the Chiefs or Royals are winning the city is just electric. With soccer, not so much. You hear and feel more depression because of the Chiefs than get from Sporting.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 01:59 AM
And yet even with their winning and being the post season there just is no major buzz about the team around town. When the Chiefs or Royals are winning the city is just electric. With soccer, not so much. You hear and feel more depression because of the Chiefs than get from Sporting.

The newspaper coverage they get is "ok" the radio coverage they get is pretty good as is local TV coverage. A lot of the columnists in town dig the team but they know where their views come from.

It is all funny though. We are talking about a league that is 17 years old. The steps they have made in this town are incredible. They get exclusive coverage now and front page features on the sports page when it used to be they would have to win a trophy to get more of a box score.

Nobody is debating the place the Royals and Chiefs have in this town but the coverage they get isn't nothing. It is about what I would expect.

Everyone laughed when I brought it up (which I get) but a lot of small things like SKC players doing the Plaza lighting ceremony this year. That is a *very* Kansas City thing. This team is well embedded in the local culture.

chiefzilla1501
10-22-2012, 02:00 AM
And yet even with their winning and being the post season there just is no major buzz about the team around town. When the Chiefs or Royals are winning the city is just electric. With soccer, not so much. You hear and feel more depression because of the Chiefs than get from Sporting.

Major media buzz? No. But the niche audiences eat that shit alive. Look up a soccer bar and watch a World Cup game there sometime -- doesn't matter what country. You will be surprised how packed those places get.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:02 AM
Major media buzz? No. But the niche audiences eat that shit alive. Look up a soccer bar and watch a World Cup game there sometime -- doesn't matter what country. You will be surprised how packed those places get.

I'll pass thanks. I hate soccer.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:02 AM
Sports Illustrated is actually doing a big story on Kansas City and soccer...the team and how much the community has embraced the sport as a whole. Should drop pretty soon.

chiefzilla1501
10-22-2012, 02:05 AM
I'll pass thanks. I hate soccer.

I'm not a soccer fan. I never understood people who try so hard to hate it.

Live soccer games are a ton of fun. And soccer bar crowds are a bunch of fun too. You don't have to obsess over the sport to enjoy the atmosphere.

Phobia
10-22-2012, 02:05 AM
I'll go to a soccer match with you, Zach. But you have to guarantee it won't end up in a tie and I won't have to wear a scarf.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:08 AM
I'll go to a soccer match with you, Zach. But you have to guarantee it won't end up in a tie and I won't have to wear a scarf.

Haha, there has only been one 0-0 tie all year so you should be safe. Impossible to get tix for Wednesday how about you come to a playoff game sir.

Of course you realize I am putting you with the rowdies. The old men sort of stand at the back so maybe that will work out well. You can't be offended by bad language and nobody really sits.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:10 AM
Actually no...I don't believe there has been a 0-0 game at home all year. I take it back.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:10 AM
I'm not a soccer fan. I never understood people who try so hard to hate it.

Live soccer games are a ton of fun. And soccer bar crowds are a bunch of fun too. You don't have to obsess over the sport to enjoy the atmosphere.


I didn't always hate it. I used to just not like it. The hate evolved from the elitist fans who tell me I don't like it because "I don't understand it". No, I understand it and still don't like it. The fan base just gets majorly butt hurt by people who don't buy in. I had a thread on here a couple of years ago that perfectly illustrated it. I mean there was someone wishing death on me. It is because of this that I hate soccer.

Phobia
10-22-2012, 02:12 AM
Haha, there has only been one 0-0 tie all year so you should be safe. Impossible to get tix for Wednesday how about you come to a playoff game sir.

Of course you realize I am putting you with the rowdies. The old men sort of stand at the back so maybe that will work out well. You can't be offended by bad language and nobody really sits.

I'm doing something very important for SOC Wednesday so that's okay. I can't stand near old men. I have a construction company and I did 5 years in the USMC. I can handle language. I'm not sure I can stand for all 10 hours of a soccer match though.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:15 AM
I didn't always hate it. I used to just not like it. The hate evolved from the elitist fans who tell me I don't like it because "I don't understand it". No, I understand it and still don't like it. The fan base just gets majorly butt hurt by people who don't buy in. I had a thread on here a couple of years ago that perfectly illustrated it. I mean there was someone wishing death on me. It is because of this that I hate soccer.

This often comes from people going on and on about soccer while experiencing first hand soccer at a level not representative of the sports in its modern form in this country.

I mean noobs get destroyed for not knowing intricate almost crazy details of the Chiefs...their history...their style of play...and the qualities of each and every player.

Soccer haters often work off assumptions that don't even come close to that level of detail. It is usually the soccer version of thinking each team gets 5 downs in football.

I agree the way some soccer fans come off isn't the way I like to come off and I can find it obnoxious but if you think its unique to soccer fans its not. Also, I have seen these threads play out...lets just agree that it probably didn't start by some soccer guy going elitist out of nowhere...people love poking that bear.

chiefzilla1501
10-22-2012, 02:17 AM
I didn't always hate it. I used to just not like it. The hate evolved from the elitist fans who tell me I don't like it because "I don't understand it". No, I understand it and still don't like it. The fan base just gets majorly butt hurt by people who don't buy in. I had a thread on here a couple of years ago that perfectly illustrated it. I mean there was someone wishing death on me. It is because of this that I hate soccer.

That's news to me. The butt hurt I've seen is mostly from people who tell soccer fans that soccer isn't a real sport. Can't blame them for getting defensive. I'm anything but a soccer fan. I only watch it so I can find another excuse to drink with friends. But as a non-soccer fan, I can tell you that the constant questioning of the sport's legitimacy is a hell of a lot more annoying.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:22 AM
This often comes from people going on and on about soccer while experiencing first hand soccer at a level not representative of the sports in its modern form in this country.

I mean noobs get destroyed for not knowing intricate almost crazy details of the Chiefs...their history...their style of play...and the qualities of each and every player.

Soccer haters often work off assumptions that don't even come close to that level of detail. It is usually the soccer version of thinking each team gets 5 downs in football.

I agree the way some soccer fans come off isn't the way I like to come off and I can find it obnoxious but if you think its unique to soccer fans its not. Also, I have seen these threads play out...lets just agree that it probably didn't start by some soccer guy going elitist out of nowhere...people love poking that bear.

I'm not going to lie, I started the thread and "poked that bear". But the key point is I started a thread for anyone who shared my dislike of the sport. I did not go jumping in on the World Cup thread and bothering those who were getting off on it. If someone didn't like my take on the game they could have ignored it as I ignored their thread and left it to me and the other soccer haters. But is that what they did? Oh hell no. They got all defensive, and then offensive like I had gone trolling on a soccer board.

Phobia
10-22-2012, 02:23 AM
Soccer is definitely a sport. Those guys work almost as hard as NASCAR drivers out there on the field.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:23 AM
That's news to me. The butt hurt I've seen is mostly from people who tell soccer fans that soccer isn't a real sport. Can't blame them for getting defensive. I'm anything but a soccer fan. I only watch it so I can find another excuse to drink with friends. But as a non-soccer fan, I can tell you that the constant questioning of the sport's legitimacy is a hell of a lot more annoying.

There is a lot of...taking the lowest common denominator about the sport and the American version of the sport and casting it across the league.

This league is only 17 years old and absolutely has been a mess for some of those years. It really turned a corner around 2007 or so. You really saw the league find its legs in a lot of different ways.

The modern version of the world's sport is a tough physical style of play with great athletes. The MLS values a style of play that Americans find important.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:24 AM
That's news to me. The butt hurt I've seen is mostly from people who tell soccer fans that soccer isn't a real sport. Can't blame them for getting defensive. I'm anything but a soccer fan. I only watch it so I can find another excuse to drink with friends. But as a non-soccer fan, I can tell you that the constant questioning of the sport's legitimacy is a hell of a lot more annoying.


It's a real sport. And those who play it are some big time athletes.

The sport just sucks.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:24 AM
I'm not going to lie, I started the thread and "poked that bear". But the key point is I started a thread for anyone who shared my dislike of the sport. I did not go jumping in on the World Cup thread and bothering those who were getting off on it. If someone didn't like my take on the game they could have ignored it as I ignored their thread and left it to me and the other soccer haters. But is that what they did? Oh hell no. They got all defensive, and then offensive like I had gone trolling on a soccer board.

So you troll'd soccer fans and are judging them for not responding to you in good faith.

Good work bro.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:25 AM
There is a lot of...taking the lowest common denominator about the sport and the American version of the sport and casting it across the league.

This league is only 17 years old and absolutely has been a mess for some of those years. It really turned a corner around 2007 or so. You really saw the league find its legs in a lot of different ways.

The modern version of the world's sport is a tough physical style of play with great athletes. The MLS values a style of play that Americans find important.


Except for the whole tie thing...

Phobia
10-22-2012, 02:26 AM
So you troll'd soccer fans and are judging them for not responding to you in good faith.

Good work bro.

He should die.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:27 AM
So you troll'd soccer fans and are judging them for not responding to you in good faith.

Good work bro.

Nooo. If I had been trolling them I would have done so in their own thread. I started my own for those who felt the same as I do. There is a difference.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:27 AM
Except for the whole tie thing...

You are going to hate this...and I am happy to explain why if I thought you actually cared but the tie thing is absolutely not seen as an issue.

Mostly because a tie is never at all a tie to the fans and teams that come away from it.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:27 AM
He should die.


Apparently.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:29 AM
Nooo. If I had been trolling them I would have done so in their own thread. I started my own for those who felt the same as I do. There is a difference.

Not in the least.

I would absolutely be trolling baseball fans if I made a thread inviting other people fans to share how much I dislike the sport.

It is ok that you troll soccer fans...no biggie...it just makes your whole "I hate how soccer fans interacted with me" schtick fall on its face.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:29 AM
He should die.

Apparently.

Did I miss something?

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:30 AM
You are going to hate this...and I am happy to explain why if I thought you actually cared but the tie thing is absolutely not seen as an issue.

Mostly because a tie is never at all a tie to the fans and teams that come away from it.


:spock: Uh, I'm almost scared that an explanation would send me into despair...

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:32 AM
:spock: Uh, I'm almost scared that an explanation would send me into despair...

If the University of Missouri would have tied the University of Alabama last weekend in college football. If ties could happen in college football.

Would both of those teams come away thinking oh well...sort of lost...sort of won...gotta do better.

Absolutely not. It would be a win for Missouri. They got in the way and got partial credit in the ongoing progression of their season.
Alabama would feel like it was a complete loss. They couldn't secure a win against a team that was flailing like Missouri.

That does not even take into account the nature of the game.

3 points for a win...1 point for a tie...0 points for a loss.

http://i.imgur.com/x6N4P.jpg

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:33 AM
Not in the least.

I would absolutely be trolling baseball fans if I made a thread inviting other people fans to share how much I dislike the sport.

It is ok that you troll soccer fans...no biggie...it just makes your whole "I hate how soccer fans interacted with me" schtick fall on its face.

Actually, yes. Obviously fans were going to chime in with their two cents but, the thread was not for them, it was for the other soccer haters. The soccer fans chose to participate in that thread. I chose NOT to participate in their thread.

There most certainly is a difference.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:35 AM
Did I miss something?

Where I said death was wished upon me in that anti-soccer thread.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:35 AM
Actually, yes. Obviously fans were going to chime in with their two cents but, the thread was not for them, it was for the other soccer haters. The soccer fans chose to participate in that thread. I chose NOT to participate in their thread.

There most certainly is a difference.

Your rationalization falls as short as you crying about how soccer fans treated you. This is pretty fantastic. The situation was everything you said it wasn't...you even admitted to "poking the bear" when I predicted it was probably the case. I didn't even have to see the specific situation.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:37 AM
If the University of Missouri would have tied the University of Alabama last weekend in college football. If ties could happen in college football.

Would both of those teams come away thinking oh well...sort of lost...sort of won...gotta do better.

Absolutely not. It would be a win for Missouri. They got in the way and got partial credit in the ongoing progression of their season.
Alabama would feel like it was a complete loss. They couldn't secure a win against a team that was flailing like Missouri.

That does not even take into account the nature of the game.

3 points for a win...1 point for a tie...0 points for a loss.

http://i.imgur.com/x6N4P.jpg


Moral victories don't do anything for me.

Ties suck more balls than a gay couple on holiday in San Fransico.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:40 AM
Moral victories don't do anything for me.

Ties suck more balls than a gay couple on holiday in San Fransico.

It isn't a moral victory. It is an outcome that effects the results.

Anyone who told you that you didn't understand soccer was right. You are showing you have a basic lack of understanding of the game.

A tie earns much needed points that account for your place in the standings.

No team or fans of any team ever walk away from a tie without the impression that one team did its job and another didn't.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:40 AM
Your rationalization falls as short as you crying about how soccer fans treated you. This is pretty fantastic. The situation was everything you said it wasn't...you even admitted to "poking the bear" when I predicted it was probably the case. I didn't even have to see the specific situation.


I guess me putting "poking the bear" between a pair of quotation marks didn't convey the proper tone of those words. Damned written language.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:41 AM
I guess me putting "poking the bear" between a pair of quotation marks didn't convey the proper tone of those words. Damned written language.

Damn Jamie playing the victim card to a group of soccer fans. Poor troll got troll'd in his own thread. ROFL

Phobia
10-22-2012, 02:42 AM
The great soccer debate between Zach and Jamie has ended. It was amazing but it still ended in a tie. Zach is ecstatic. Jamie hates soccer even more.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:43 AM
Jamie hates soccer even more.

He just doesn't understand it.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:44 AM
It isn't a moral victory. It is an outcome that effects the results.

Anyone who told you that you didn't understand soccer was right. You are showing you have a basic lack of understanding of the game.

A tie earns much needed points that account for your place in the standings.

No team or fans of any team ever walk away from a tie without the impression that one team did its job and another didn't.


No, I understand it, I just do not agree with the way it works. If neither team wins then neither team deserves points.

It is a fundamental difference in our thinking that we just will not agree on.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:45 AM
No, I understand it, I just do not agree with the way it works. If neither team wins then neither team deserves points.

It is a fundamental difference in our thinking that we just will not agree on.

Not everyone understands things on the surface. It is ok if you are not up to the task and have to stoop to homosexual banter.

You are still a decent guy. If you were here I would give a high five. Not everyone can discuss facts. It is tough.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:46 AM
Damn Jamie playing the victim card to a group of soccer fans. Poor troll got troll'd in his own thread. ROFL

OK.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:47 AM
OK.

People are mean on the internet. I understand.

You should have given them a red card Jamie.

Or two yellow cards.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:51 AM
Not everyone understands things on the surface. It is ok if you are not up to the task and have to stoop to homosexual banter.

You are still a decent guy. If you were here I would give a high five. Not everyone can discuss facts. It is tough.

Oh, I don't have to stoop to homosexual banter, I merely choose to. It's like discussing politics; no matter what one side gives the other it is a losing argument. So no reason to take the discussion too serious.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:52 AM
Oh, I don't have to stoop to homosexual banter, I merely choose to.

Interesting.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:53 AM
People are mean on the internet. I understand.

You should have given them a red card Jamie.

Or two yellow cards.


Heh. You seriously believe I got my feelings hurt. That's funny to me.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:56 AM
Interesting.


Sorry, buddy, not really my type. ;)

I have a latin thing....

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:56 AM
Heh. You seriously believe I got my feelings hurt. That's funny to me.

Play it cool.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 02:59 AM
Play it cool.

I'm trying but it is getting really hard to hold up the ruse....

Aw f#ck it :deevee:

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 03:03 AM
I'm trying but it is getting really hard to hold up the ruse....

Aw f#ck it :deevee:

Tell me more.

Raiderhader
10-22-2012, 03:06 AM
Tell me more.

It hurt so bad. They were so mean. I've never experienced anything like that on the internet before. I had to have therapy. I still have the occasional nightmare. I just want the pain to go away.

Mr. Laz
10-22-2012, 03:51 AM
Hunts need to free up cash for the new San Francisco stadium

FAX
10-22-2012, 04:38 AM
It's a rare thing, indeed, when two men high five each other over homosexual banter.

FAX

FAX
10-22-2012, 04:52 AM
I was listening to this commercial thing the other day and the announcer guy was talking about "Soccer moms" but I thought he said, "Soccer bombs" and I thought, "Cool. I like that idea. Instead of a ball, they kick around one of those round, black, anarchist bombs that Wile E. Coyote used to like so much and the team who has the ball bomb last loses 4 points and a foot."

FAX

mr. tegu
10-22-2012, 06:26 AM
Soccer faces many of the same flaws that hockey faces. Both are fun in person but the way the game plays out is all too often anti-climatic, un-suspenseful, and boring. A three nothing lead in soccer with 40 minutes left is a snooze fest. Watching teams play keep away for twenty minutes is painful. You don't see a football team get to the opposing team's 40 yard line then retreat back to their own 10 so they can start over again and burn the clock some more.

soopamanluva
10-22-2012, 07:26 AM
He's probably pretty good at it.

Rule #1: Do not make advances on your sister-in-law.
Rule #2: If you do, don't write a tell-all letter to your wife detailing the events.

I'm guessing he won't make enough at the marriage counseling gig his entire life to cover the cost of the settlement with his former sister-in-law and that doesn't even begin to cover what the ex-wife got in the deal.

This story used to be all over the web a decade ago but most the sources have disappeared slowly over the years.

hold on, What?
explain this again please...

Easy 6
10-22-2012, 07:45 AM
The Chiefs fan in me hopes that Clark is going "all in" on the Chiefs.

This.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 08:08 AM
He still owns FC Dallas and he's majorly vested in the MLS so this doesn't mean he's getting out of soccer. He's not a complete idiot. Maybe it means he's selling his teams outside of Texas. THAT would be awesome. Get some local owners to own the team and watch things change for the better...fingers crossed for the Chiefs.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 08:15 AM
Sports Illustrated is actually doing a big story on Kansas City and soccer...the team and how much the community has embraced the sport as a whole. Should drop pretty soon.

LOVE IT. I think the sports media is embracing a winner in KC because they now it's sooo freakin rare. The fact that it's soccer and that KC has a long standing history of being a soccer town (since the 60s) is just icing on the cake. We are now on the international map as a destination to play in Livestrong. That can only mean good things for the future of KC because big named players who never heard of KC will consider coming here do to the stadium, fan base, owners, franchise...etc.

TribalElder
10-22-2012, 08:24 AM
Since he couldn't trick Pioli into signing an extension with a new buyout clause it will take some loot to give Scotty the boot

Phobia
10-22-2012, 08:38 AM
hold on, What?
explain this again please...

Have you tried clicking on any of the links provided about the time of that post?

Deberg_1990
10-22-2012, 08:47 AM
Soccer faces many of the same flaws that hockey faces. Both are fun in person but the way the game plays out is all too often anti-climatic, un-suspenseful, and boring. A three nothing lead in soccer with 40 minutes left is a snooze fest. Watching teams play keep away for twenty minutes is painful. You don't see a football team get to the opposing team's 40 yard line then retreat back to their own 10 so they can start over again and burn the clock some more.


Very well said. My exact thoughts as well, but i understand soccer has a niche.

Also, while i admire what Sporting KC has done, i wonder how much of their rise in popularity has to do the Chiefs and Royals alienating their fanbase away? Would Sporting KC be nearly as popular if the Chiefs and Royals were winning?

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 09:00 AM
No, I understand it, I just do not agree with the way it works. If neither team wins then neither team deserves points.

It is a fundamental difference in our thinking that we just will not agree on.

That's what you get in a sport created by communists.

:evil:

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 09:06 AM
Very well said. My exact thoughts as well, but i understand soccer has a niche.

Also, while i admire what Sporting KC has done, i wonder how much of their rise in popularity has to do the Chiefs and Royals alienating their fanbase away? Would Sporting KC be nearly as popular if the Chiefs and Royals were winning?


Yes, they would but maybe not as fast of a turnaround.

The growth of soccer has steadily increased over the past fifteen years. Not just in loser KC but other places in the US. That means it's popular in places where there are winning franchises not just in downtrodden markets.

The growth of the internet and social media and it's acceptance with a younger demographic, many of whom played soccer, has helped expedite the popularity of the sport as its now easier to follow without major media coverage. It's one of the sports that has grown in popularity WITHOUT major media being involved. ESPN and NBC Sports jumped on board when they saw the upward trajectory of popularity. THEY DID NOT CREATE IT. Now with increased media coverage and games being seen almost every week the growth will continue.

Back to KC, many of the younger fan base of SKC has NEVER seen a winner in this town either as a child or as a young adult. The fact that SKC got to the semifinals in their first year of rebrand and aggressively targeted and marketed towards a younger demographic was not only pure genius but a bit of good fortune.

In addition, their becoming the largest youth soccer club in JOCO and all ages of kids wearing a Sporting shield on their uniform will practically guarantee a perpetual interest in the team. What kid going to Sporting games won't want to wear their shield while playing and vice versa. I know if my son wasn't in his last years of club soccer it would be a huge draw for him.

The young and visionary owners of SKC have laid the groundwork for a good deal of sustained success. Will it fall apart if the team starts to fail? Maybe but probably not any more than what we see with the Chiefs or Royals. There will be a core group of fans who follow the sport and love their team no matter what. Like the Royals and Chiefs.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 09:07 AM
That's what you get in a sport created by communists.

:evil:

Football is ubiquitous in Texas. Pro Football, college football, high school football, pee-wee football; In fact, every form of football except the original: European football, which most Texans believe to be a commie plot. -Sheldon Cooper

Deberg_1990
10-22-2012, 09:12 AM
Yes, they would but maybe not as fast of a turnaround.

The growth of soccer has steadily increased over the past fifteen years. Not just in loser KC but other places in the US. That means it's popular in places where there are winning franchises not just in downtrodden markets.

The growth of the internet and social media and it's acceptance with a younger demographic, many of whom played soccer, has helped expedite the popularity of the sport as its now easier to follow without major media coverage. It's one of the sports that has grown in popularity WITHOUT major media being involved. ESPN and NBC Sports jumped on board when they saw the upward trajectory of popularity. THEY DID NOT CREATE IT. Now with increased media coverage and games being seen almost every week the growth will continue.

Back to KC, many of the younger fan base of SKC has NEVER seen a winner in this town either as a child or as a young adult. The fact that SKC got to the semifinals in their first year of rebrand and aggressively targeted and marketed towards a younger demographic was not only pure genius but a bit of good fortune.

In addition, their becoming the largest youth soccer club in JOCO and all ages of kids wearing a Sporting shield on their uniform will practically guarantee a perpetual interest in the team. What kid going to Sporting games won't want to wear their shield while playing and vice versa. I know if my son wasn't in his last years of club soccer it would be a huge draw for him.

The young and visionary owners of SKC have laid the groundwork for a good deal of sustained success. Will it fall apart if the team starts to fail? Maybe but probably not any more than what we see with the Chiefs or Royals. There will be a core group of fans who follow the sport and love their team no matter what. Like the Royals and Chiefs.


Great points. I also think that MLB has steadily been losing the attention of younger generations for years.

Its almost as if kids are saying now "MLB, yea, my Grandpa and Dad like to watch that"

It doesnt help much when their playoff games run until Midnight on school nights.

ChiefMojo
10-22-2012, 09:17 AM
I do know friends that go to SPKC games purely because they are winners. They care less about soccer as a whole. If the Royals and Chiefs were winners they would never go to a soccer game. Then again these guys would prefer we had the NHL though.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 09:18 AM
The growth of soccer has steadily increased over the past fifteen years.

Due to infiltration of foreign governments, communists, Muslims, and illegal aliens.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 09:20 AM
Great points. I also think that MLB has steadily been losing the attention of younger generations for years.

Its almost as if kids are saying now "MLB, yea, my Grandpa and Dad like to watch that"

It doesnt help much when their playoff games run until Midnight on school nights.

I think MLB is just too slow and quiet for this ADHD constant stimulation generation. The piped in organ music doesn't help. That is why baseball stadiums like the Royals have done things to add an excitement element to the game. Like beer gardens and playgrounds. If they really wanted to make it interesting they'd mix the two...

:hmmm::evil:

I like baseball and enjoy going to the games but there is no one in my house who will go. They find it incredibly boring.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 09:23 AM
I think MLB is just too slow and quiet for this ADHD constant stimulation generation.

THE TRUTH.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 09:23 AM
I do know friends that go to SPKC games purely because they are winners. They care less about soccer as a whole. If the Royals and Chiefs were winners they would never go to a soccer game. Then again these guys would prefer we had the NHL though.

Truth be told, I know there is a portion of an SKC crowd going for the meat market/party element. You see them not paying attention to the game but rather to the crowd. Whatever. If it's known as a place to go and have a good time because you can meet people then so be it...

It's eye candyville.

gblowfish
10-22-2012, 09:23 AM
Sex with his mental handicap sister-in-law.

Jesus.

At least this guy will do anything to score.
Thanks I'll be here all week.
Tip your waitress, try the veal!

carlos3652
10-22-2012, 09:35 AM
Just my 2 cents -

For anyone thinking a 3-0 game with 40 min left is a snooze fest - think again -

Barcelona 5-4 away winner vs Deportivo La Coruna this last weekend was amazing -

Barcelona has not lost this season, and Deportivo is in relegation zone -

Barcelona was up 3-0 19 min in - this one went down to the wire. Messi was insane -

I dont care who you are - but if you dont like soccer, and just watch Barcelona and Messi play, its hard not to like them and the sport.

Anyways - Im from Argentina, and I live soccer, Sporting is my US team and while sometimes really hard to watch (as the play is not as fluid as my national team, or local argentina team i root for) its still fun.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 09:40 AM
Just my 2 cents -

For anyone thinking a 3-0 game with 40 min left is a snooze fest - think again -

Barcelona 5-4 away winner vs Deportivo La Coruna this last weekend was amazing -

Barcelona has not lost this season, and Deportivo is in relegation zone -

Barcelona was up 3-0 19 min in - this one went down to the wire. Messi was insane -

I dont care who you are - but if you dont like soccer, and just watch Barcelona and Messi play, its hard not to like them and the sport.

Anyways - Im from Argentina, and I live soccer, Sporting is my US team and while sometimes really hard to watch (as the play is not as fluid as my national team, or local argentina team i root for) its still fun.

Saturday's game vs. NYRB was retina burn inducing. Jimmy was the only player in blue worth watching. Alas, even while having a crappy game and looking flat they still managed to get a point and keep their streak alive. :clap:

-King-
10-22-2012, 09:44 AM
Just my 2 cents -

For anyone thinking a 3-0 game with 40 min left is a snooze fest - think again -

Barcelona 5-4 away winner vs Deportivo La Coruna this last weekend was amazing -

Barcelona has not lost this season, and Deportivo is in relegation zone -

Barcelona was up 3-0 19 min in - this one went down to the wire. Messi was insane -

I dont care who you are - but if you dont like soccer, and just watch Barcelona and Messi play, its hard not to like them and the sport.

Anyways - Im from Argentina, and I live soccer, Sporting is my US team and while sometimes really hard to watch (as the play is not as fluid as my national team, or local argentina team i root for) its still fun.

I've always wondered how soccer fans from around the world would like US soccer.

I wonder if American soccer to them is what Arena league is to us football fans.

carlos3652
10-22-2012, 09:50 AM
Saturday's game vs. NYRB was retina burn inducing. Jimmy was the only player in blue worth watching. Alas, even while having a crappy game and looking flat they still managed to get a point and keep their streak alive. :clap:

that was very hard to watch - and while Jimmy played incredibly - we were lucky not to lose that game.

i dont remember the last time I watched a game as painful as that one (i think it was worse as I had just watched the Barcelona game).

bowener
10-22-2012, 09:51 AM
That's what you get in a sport created by communists.

:evil:

Aren't the origins of this rooted in a Mayan ritual where the winning team would be killed as a tribute to the gods?

carlos3652
10-22-2012, 09:58 AM
I've always wondered how soccer fans from around the world would like US soccer.

I wonder if American soccer to them is what Arena league is to us football fans.

The MLS in my country is looked at as "the retirement league" - where good/great players go to end their career.

Schelotto (Crew) is the one that comes to mind in the last few years who were bench material in Argentina and ended up being the MVP. He was one of my favorite players on my team (Boca Juniors) and he was at the end of his playing career. Came here - and just killed it.

Federico Higuain (Real's Bro) is younger (28) and is staring to buck the trend of younger players coming to play here - but all in all - everyones first choice is Europe. Spain - Italy - England - France, etc in that order. (At least in my country).

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 10:03 AM
Not that any of the haters will read this but here is an article which describes how SportingKC's model could be the future of SPORTS IN THE US. Not just soccer....

http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2012-09-20/sporting-kansas-citys-business-plan-a-revolution-in-sport

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-22-2012, 10:52 AM
Hey Clark, note how the encouragement was for local ownership. Just sayin'. We have a gang of people that know realtors in Leawood that we can hook you up with.


This. Move your ass to town and TAKE CHARGE.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-22-2012, 10:53 AM
Not that any of the haters will read this but here is an article which describes how SportingKC's model could be the future of SPORTS IN THE US. Not just soccer....

http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2012-09-20/sporting-kansas-citys-business-plan-a-revolution-in-sport

If I am forced to become a soccer fan, I think I will cry.

Rausch
10-22-2012, 10:55 AM
Not everyone understands things on the surface. It is ok if you are not up to the task and have to stoop to homosexual banter.

You are still a decent guy. If you were here I would give a high five. Not everyone can discuss facts. It is tough.

Good gawd.

Drop this motherfucker and as you're standing over him tell him "You're WRONG! YOUR ARE THOUGHT-RESISTANT AND FUCKING WRONG!"

Then hide from the cops...

Count Alex's Losses
10-22-2012, 11:15 AM
The best team in the league barely scores more than 1 goal a game on average?

How the fuck can people watch that shit?

And this is coming from someone who watches plenty of soccer at work...UEFA, Olympic soccer, etc....

It's just not for everyone.

gblowfish
10-22-2012, 11:18 AM
The future Mrs. CHunt. (Note to CHunt: before writing pre-nup, see if Tavia has any sisters, and keep creepy older brother away at all costs...)

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ajEZMyocanE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 11:20 AM
The best team in the league barely scores more than 1 goal a game on average?

How the **** can people watch that shit?

And this is coming from someone who watches plenty of soccer at work...UEFA, Olympic soccer, etc....

It's just not for everyone.

Same way fans can find a low scoring NFL team with a stellar defense exciting. Especially if they are winning the division, playoffs, and championships.

Count Alex's Losses
10-22-2012, 11:22 AM
Same way fans can find a low scoring NFL team with a stellar defense exciting. Especially if they are winning the division, playoffs, and championships.

No one finds that shit exciting anymore.

Even the Baltimore Ravens have an explosive passing offense.

Low-scoring teams suck dick.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 11:23 AM
No one finds that shit exciting anymore.

Even the Baltimore Ravens have an explosive passing offense.

Low-scoring teams suck dick.

Whatever wins championships is exciting. Period. You can have the highest scoring team in the league be a bummer to watch if their defense is not able to stop one less point than the offense can score. If they aren't winning games they aren't getting to the playoffs and not winning championships.

SKC is exciting even though they don't score many goals. They've shut out their opponent 15 times. That is not an accident. Not only to they have a stellar defense (usually, was MIA on Saturday night) but the goalkeeping has been extraordinary.

whoman69
10-22-2012, 11:24 AM
The family lost their oil earnings back in the 80s, so sports teams are their major source of income. They have made all decisions based on the Chiefs being profitable. The only way he sells the Chiefs is if someone overpays him for it so that he can branch off into other businesses.

HemiEd
10-22-2012, 11:34 AM
You might be the only soccer fan I know of... In America.

Don't forget whats her name.

KC native
10-22-2012, 11:34 AM
The family lost their oil earnings back in the 80s, so sports teams are their major source of income. They have made all decisions based on the Chiefs being profitable. The only way he sells the Chiefs is if someone overpays him for it so that he can branch off into other businesses.

:spock: the Hunt family still make a boat load of money from oil/gas. Chunt is diversifying the family businesses, but they still get a good chunk from that. The Hunts are still big deals in the business world down here in DFW

Brock
10-22-2012, 11:36 AM
The family lost their oil earnings back in the 80s, so sports teams are their major source of income. They have made all decisions based on the Chiefs being profitable. The only way he sells the Chiefs is if someone overpays him for it so that he can branch off into other businesses.

LMAO

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 11:37 AM
The MLS in my country is looked at as "the retirement league" - where good/great players go to end their career.

Schelotto (Crew) is the one that comes to mind in the last few years who were bench material in Argentina and ended up being the MVP. He was one of my favorite players on my team (Boca Juniors) and he was at the end of his playing career. Came here - and just killed it.

Federico Higuain (Real's Bro) is younger (28) and is staring to buck the trend of younger players coming to play here - but all in all - everyones first choice is Europe. Spain - Italy - England - France, etc in that order. (At least in my country).

This is happening less and less and less.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 11:41 AM
Truth be told, I know there is a portion of an SKC crowd going for the meat market/party element. You see them not paying attention to the game but rather to the crowd. Whatever. If it's known as a place to go and have a good time because you can meet people then so be it...

It's eye candyville.

Different fans enjoy a team or sport for different reasons be it SKC, Chiefs, or Royals.

HemiEd
10-22-2012, 11:41 AM
You can't be offended by bad language and nobody really sits.

You are kidding right? At a soccer game, they stand up? Aren't most games ending up 1 to zip?

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 11:43 AM
You are kidding right? At a soccer game, they stand up? Aren't most games ending up 1 to zip?

You seem to be under the impression that the only exciting part of the game is when they score.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-22-2012, 11:43 AM
You are kidding right? At a soccer game, they stand up? Aren't most games ending up 1 to zip?

ROFL Oh yeah; I'd be outta' my chair for the WHOLE THING.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-22-2012, 11:44 AM
ROFL Oh yeah; I'd be outta' my chair for the WHOLE THING.

Probably hanging out at the beer stand...

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 11:50 AM
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|Zach|
10-22-2012, 11:55 AM
The best team in the league barely scores more than 1 goal a game on average?

How the **** can people watch that shit?

And this is coming from someone who watches plenty of soccer at work...UEFA, Olympic soccer, etc....

It's just not for everyone.

Those were just conference standings. Kansas City is known over all as being just a "good" offensive team but is without a doubt the best defense in the league.

The big high scoring team is in San Jose.

notorious
10-22-2012, 11:55 AM
The family lost their oil earnings back in the 80s, so sports teams are their major source of income. They have made all decisions based on the Chiefs being profitable. The only way he sells the Chiefs is if someone overpays him for it so that he can branch off into other businesses.

I hope the Cleveland deal got him to think about selling.


1 Billion is a LOT of money.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 12:19 PM
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Was there. Saw it live (between not being able to look) and have seen it a hundred times since. It still gives me goosebumps. What an amazing night. My 16 year old was so excited. He didn't see the last KU championship because it ended past his bed time and they were losing when he went to bed. He had never seen any KC team win anything. To him it was Superbowl/World Series like excitement. That was the absolute best part of winning the US Open Cup. Seeing young people so happy to see someone win something in this freakin loser town.

HemiEd
10-22-2012, 01:13 PM
You seem to be under the impression that the only exciting part of the game is when they score.

I enjoy good defense as much as about anyone, but that scoring average is indicative of my interest in that game, low.

To be honest though, we have a facility down in Brazil. OMG, those people are stark raving mad about the game. I can't help but feel it is some sort of SDS, they are better at something than we are.

ROFL Oh yeah; I'd be outta' my chair for the WHOLE THING.

Yeah, I guess watching these guys chasing that ball all over that huge field and using their head as a bat is really exciting once you "get it."

HemiEd
10-22-2012, 01:15 PM
Was that guy trying to kick a field goal?

vailpass
10-22-2012, 01:18 PM
Don't forget whats her name.

Zach.

vailpass
10-22-2012, 01:20 PM
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When are you going to realize that showing pics ans videos of soccer only hurts your case?

notorious
10-22-2012, 01:21 PM
Not going to bash soccer, it's just not my thing.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 01:45 PM
I enjoy good defense as much as about anyone, but that scoring average is indicative of my interest in that game, low.


I understand it. I share the same view about NASCAR. Who wants to watch five million laps in case of one incredible crash? Then if I see a crash I feel guilty for watching just to see one...no thanks.


But I do love hockey and it's a low scoring game as well.

I figure there is a segment of the population of 40+ who absolutely hate soccer and will likely not budge on that sentiment. Unless they fell in love with the sport when their kid was playing it. That is fine because they are not the target demographic. There are people in their mid to late 30s who are open to the idea if you can get them to a game or two they might become permanent fans but generally they have less distrust or disdain for the sport. They are not the most important demographic to win over right now.

I think 20-35 somethings are. They grew up playing and watching. They tend to be more tech savvy and open to new experiences. Likewise, they tend to be more comfortable with different races and nationalities judging the athletes for their skill vs. place of birth. They are less concerned with the lack of an established American dominance in the sport but want to be a part of watching it get there. This is the age group that if they go to LSP they will return almost without exception. We've taken my son's friends in this age group who had sworn off the sport after they stopped playing or just never kept an interest and they became huge fans. Matter of fact, I can't count how many times I've seen this age group at games with small infants or toddlers in tow. The games tend to be less expensive and if you sit in the more family friendly sections it is a great time for young families. I imagine the kids in these families will grow up playing and loving soccer. What do you know, you have created your future fans.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 01:57 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/wp/2012/10/12/the-bond-between-soccer-and-baseball/

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 02:05 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/wp/2012/10/12/the-bond-between-soccer-and-baseball/

I liked the article but while the games might be the similar the fan experiences are quite different. Baseball pipes those organ chants over the PA at strategic down times. Fans might begin a clap or a wave spontaneously but for the most part there is a buzz only slightly more audible than a tennis match.

Unlike LSP and some of the other soccer stadiums in the US as well as most of them worldwide. There is singing, chanting, drums, horns, marching and, if you are lucky, even Jesus. I liken the crowd at soccer games more to a college football or basketball game. The chants, even the ones used at most matches, are grass roots. If the crowd is not generating the enthusiasm then the stadium PA isn't pumping in cheers or chants. Yes, they might a couple at the beginning or at the start of second half (IBTWWW, for instance) but for the most part they let the fans do their thing. I love, love, love that aspect of the game. You go not just to watch but to be interactive. You make a pact to get the crowd up and keep them there. It's work in the Cauldron. Doing so creates that 12 man and creates reputations like LSP has.

Reaper16
10-22-2012, 02:14 PM
The fan experience is so different because soccer is constantly moving, while baseball's in-between action takes more time than its action.

Deberg_1990
10-22-2012, 02:33 PM
while baseball's in-between action takes more time than its action.

Ironically, you could say the same about football as well. I think the average time the ball is actually in play in a typical game is only like 5 or 6 minutes.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 02:50 PM
The fan experience is so different because soccer is constantly moving, while baseball's in-between action takes more time than its action.

I connected more so with the first part of the article but yea this is a good point.

Baseball and football are broken down into all these segments. The action stops and a very defined set of circumstances is reset for when the action springs up again.

Soccer is the athletics version of a complete stream of consciousness. That is what can separate the truly incredible players of the world from the decent ones. The ones that can creatively create complex attacking on the fly.

ChiefsCountry
10-22-2012, 02:58 PM
:spock: the Hunt family still make a boat load of money from oil/gas. Chunt is diversifying the family businesses, but they still get a good chunk from that. The Hunts are still big deals in the business world down here in DFW

Lamar's step-brother is the oil baron. He was the one who got HL's business. While the rest still make bank, its Ray Hunt that is the one that is the money man in DFW.

ChiefsCountry
10-22-2012, 02:58 PM
Man the bitching is bad now for essentially owning a couple of minor league teams in the scheme of things, wait till they purchase an EPL team.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 03:07 PM
Lamar's step-brother is the oil baron. He was the one who got HL's business. While the rest still make bank, its Ray Hunt that is the one that is the money man in DFW.

I wonder if HL left the oil business to Ray because Lamar was "too obsessed with this professional football fad"?

LMAO

WoodDraw
10-22-2012, 03:31 PM
The MLS in my country is looked at as "the retirement league" - where good/great players go to end their career.

Schelotto (Crew) is the one that comes to mind in the last few years who were bench material in Argentina and ended up being the MVP. He was one of my favorite players on my team (Boca Juniors) and he was at the end of his playing career. Came here - and just killed it.

Federico Higuain (Real's Bro) is younger (28) and is staring to buck the trend of younger players coming to play here - but all in all - everyones first choice is Europe. Spain - Italy - England - France, etc in that order. (At least in my country).

Argentina has it's own problems at the domestic level, as well. Most countries these days do.

But every league in the world, aside from the top 3 or 4, struggle to keep players. French teams constantly lose their best players. Same with the big Dutch teams. That's just a reality of the game

All you can do is build up your scouting and academy programs, and work on making the domestic experience as fun as possible. Also, have a rational transfer policy, and reinvest profit. Your best players will always move on, but you can still have a fun league.

memyselfI
10-22-2012, 03:44 PM
Ironically, you could say the same about football as well. I think the average time the ball is actually in play in a typical game is only like 5 or 6 minutes.

LOL, I know. It cracks me up when haters say 'soccer is boring because there is no action' or 'it's too slow.' Soccer, basketball, and hockey are three sports where there is near constant play/action going on. Not football or baseball both of which the games would be significantly shorter if there was less scratching and stepping out of the box. Not to mention laid out on the field or in a huddle.

The real kicker is when haters try to argue that soccer players are not that much better conditioned athletes than football or baseball players. I have to mention to them that BOTH football and baseball players spend at least half the game ON THE BENCH or at least on the sidelines or dugout. Whereas, in soccer the majority play 90 minutes and sometimes 120.

CoMoChief
10-22-2012, 04:13 PM
LOL, I know. It cracks me up when haters say 'soccer is boring because there is no action' or 'it's too slow.' Soccer, basketball, and hockey are three sports where there is near constant play/action going on. Not football or baseball both of which the games would be significantly shorter if there was less scratching and stepping out of the box. Not to mention laid out on the field or in a huddle.

The real kicker is when haters try to argue that soccer players are not that much better conditioned athletes than football or baseball players. I have to mention to them that BOTH football and baseball players spend at least half the game ON THE BENCH or at least on the sidelines or dugout. Whereas, in soccer the majority play 90 minutes and sometimes 120.

Soccer is boring because there's not much scoring......ever

Same reason why hockey sucks on TV...except at least that's at a faster pace and is a lot more physical.

I've always said though that soccer players are the some of the most athletic well conditioned athletes in the world. Doesn't mean shit though when the sport itself is garbage.

ChiefsCountry
10-22-2012, 04:15 PM
I wonder if HL left the oil business to Ray because Lamar was "too obsessed with this professional football fad"?

LMAO

It seems to me it was left to the oldest child of the last wife, probably out of spite to the other women in HL's life if I had a guess.

carlos3652
10-22-2012, 04:26 PM
Argentina has it's own problems at the domestic level, as well. Most countries these days do.

yes - but the talent pool is bigger there - and the style of play is smoother - its a prettier soccer if you will.

But every league in the world, aside from the top 3 or 4, struggle to keep players. French teams constantly lose their best players. Same with the big Dutch teams. That's just a reality of the game

Most definitely - The best Argentina players usually leave before they turn 18 - for chump change to "smaller" European clubs, and then get sold to the bigger teams for a markup that is insane. that's because the exposure in the Argentine league isnt there and the fact that Financially - its a freaking mess. River Plate is a perfect example - they sold their farm - and they had no talent to replace what they had - Relegated to the B division.

All you can do is build up your scouting and academy programs, and work on making the domestic experience as fun as possible. Also, have a rational transfer policy, and reinvest profit. Your best players will always move on, but you can still have a fun league.

Yes - and I think something Sporting is doing well.

ChiefsCountry
10-22-2012, 04:39 PM
The Hunt's probaly would have liked to keep the Wizards but the trouble was the stadium deal. The Hunt's knew if they built a new SOS for the Wizards it would hurt them in getting a new deal done at Arrowhead. Public would have railed them for building a stadium for the soccer team while asking public dollars for new Arrowhead. Even though at the time they were building the new stadium in Frisco, TX for FC Dallas.

htismaqe
10-22-2012, 04:51 PM
It seems to me it was left to the oldest child of the last wife, probably out of spite to the other women in HL's life if I had a guess.

It was a joke.

WoodDraw
10-22-2012, 07:04 PM
yes - but the talent pool is bigger there - and the style of play is smoother - its a prettier soccer if you will.


Sure, but you still have a lot of financial problems, and problems with supporters. I was there when River got relegated - not pretty. :D

My only point want that there are very few healthy soccer leagues these days. England is a financial mess, dominated by foreign money. Spain - two teams, and fuck all. France - money pouring into PSG. Italy, oh where to start? ;)

Every league has its issues. Germany might be the best model out there that comes quickly to mind...

KC native
10-22-2012, 07:06 PM
Lamar's step-brother is the oil baron. He was the one who got HL's business. While the rest still make bank, its Ray Hunt that is the one that is the money man in DFW.

Yes, but Chunt does very well for himself. He's a private equity/hedge fund type. Outside of the Chiefs, he is still a wealthy man.

|Zach|
10-22-2012, 09:06 PM
Sure, but you still have a lot of financial problems, and problems with supporters. I was there when River got relegated - not pretty. :D

My only point want that there are very few healthy soccer leagues these days. England is a financial mess, dominated by foreign money. Spain - two teams, and **** all. France - money pouring into PSG. Italy, oh where to start? ;)

Every league has its issues. Germany might be the best model out there that comes quickly to mind...

Love the Bundesliga.

GloryDayz
10-22-2012, 09:15 PM
I grew up in and around soccer. Love it. have a respect for it that few can understand unless they'll lived in Europe and other areas of the globe where it's the primary support. As dedicated as we all are to football, it's amazing how dedicated those locals are to their loved sport.

That being said, if they could reinvent the game, they sure could build-in/change a few rules that get the scoring higher. Simply change the offsides rule and you'd see a dynamic that changes the game drastically. Both offense and defense. And I think it'd make it better for all parties involved (sans the goalkeeper!).

Just my opinion...

memyselfI
10-23-2012, 06:46 AM
I grew up in and around soccer. Love it. have a respect for it that few can understand unless they'll lived in Europe and other areas of the globe where it's the primary support. As dedicated as we all are to football, it's amazing how dedicated those locals are to their loved sport.

That being said, if they could reinvent the game, they sure could build-in/change a few rules that get the scoring higher. Simply change the offsides rule and you'd see a dynamic that changes the game drastically. Both offense and defense. And I think it'd make it better for all parties involved (sans the goalkeeper!).

Just my opinion...

The offside rule is one of the biggest PITAs in the game on any level. The officials have 1000 different interpretations of it at the youth level. At the pro level, at least in the US, it's called inconsistently. I hate it.

Der Flöprer
10-23-2012, 06:47 AM
ROFL

penguinz
10-23-2012, 07:35 AM
The offside rule is one of the biggest PITAs in the game on any level. The officials have 1000 different interpretations of it at the youth level. At the pro level, at least in the US, it's called inconsistently. I hate it.There is only one interpretation to it. The issue is just that the officials are human. You have to be able to see when the ball leaves the players foot, head, etc and also see where the receiving player is in relation to the second to last defender at the same time.

Easy to do if there is a slow pace and the two offensive player are in the same line of vision.

Very hard to do when they are moving at a very fast pace and are not both within the same field of view.

As far as gettign rid of the offside rule....This would destroy the game.

Discuss Thrower
10-23-2012, 07:52 AM
There is only one interpretation to it. The issue is just that the officials are human. You have to be able to see when the ball leaves the players foot, head, etc and also see where the receiving player is in relation to the second to last defender at the same time.

Easy to do if there is a slow pace and the two offensive player are in the same line of vision.

Very hard to do when they are moving at a very fast pace and are not both within the same field of view.

As far as gettign rid of the offside rule....This would destroy the game.

Only fix I could see to make it palatable for American audiences is to not allow an offensive player in the box / within the yard line until the ball has crossed, and give a 2-3 yard-ish "buffer" behind the last defensive player and the GK to the point that an offensive player can't be much farther away without the ball as well.

memyselfI
10-23-2012, 08:05 AM
As much as I hate the rule, we shouldn't tamper with it in any way that differentiates American soccer from international rules. We have a hard enough time being taken seriously as a top contributor to the game. Making the rules more offense friendly to appease an American audience would make us look ridiculous.

If Americans want instant gratification and constant stimulation there are plenty of sports and events they can attend to fulfill that purpose. If they can't be sold the nuance, complexity, and intricacy that is soccer then let them go elsewhere.

htismaqe
10-23-2012, 10:17 AM
As much as I hate the rule, we shouldn't tamper with it in any way that differentiates American soccer from international rules. We have a hard enough time being taken seriously as a top contributor to the game. Making the rules more offense friendly to appease an American audience would make us look ridiculous.

If Americans want instant gratification and constant stimulation there are plenty of sports and events they can attend to fulfill that purpose. If they can't be sold the nuance, complexity, and intricacy that is soccer then let them go elsewhere.

ROFL

Americans are too stupid for soccer.

penguinz
10-23-2012, 10:49 AM
Only fix I could see to make it palatable for American audiences is to not allow an offensive player in the box / within the yard line until the ball has crossed, and give a 2-3 yard-ish "buffer" behind the last defensive player and the GK to the point that an offensive player can't be much farther away without the ball as well.The offside law is fine as it is. It is the American's understanding of the law that is the issue no the law in itself.

Reaper16
10-23-2012, 12:47 PM
ROFL

Americans are too stupid for soccer.

Judging by the NFL, Americans are also too stupid for football.

WoodDraw
10-23-2012, 01:42 PM
There is only one interpretation to it. The issue is just that the officials are human. You have to be able to see when the ball leaves the players foot, head, etc and also see where the receiving player is in relation to the second to last defender at the same time.

Easy to do if there is a slow pace and the two offensive player are in the same line of vision.

Very hard to do when they are moving at a very fast pace and are not both within the same field of view.

As far as gettign rid of the offside rule....This would destroy the game.

I mean, kind of, but not really. A player can be in an offside position, but not be actively involved in the play. There's plenty of interpretation that can go into it on less than clear plays.

memyselfI
10-24-2012, 05:24 PM
This is why KC loves it's soccer team. It's also why the sport will grow in this country.

Sporting KC fans

Some say that the content of one’s character can be judged by an individual’s behavior when no one’s looking. At a time when disturbing events in the news outweigh the good, I am compelled to share the actions of an inspirational hometown athlete.

Recently, three of my children were playing soccer with a neighborhood friend and his dad on the grass along the Harry Wiggins Trolley Trail. A young man with white hair, dressed in a Sporting KC shirt, driving down Brookside Boulevard, spotted them playing soccer, parked his car and crossed to meet them.

Much to my children’s delight and surprise, Jimmy Nielsen, Sporting KC’s standout goalie and the team’s 2011 MVP, observed them practicing saves and punts and proceeded with a few pointers on post-goal punting.

After a short clinic and an autograph for a pair of goalie gloves, he headed back to his car.

I am impressed with Jimmy’s passion for the game and its future. His selfless generosity speaks volumes for the Sporting KC franchise.

We wish the team the best of luck in the remainder of the season and the MLS Cup Playoffs. My children are fans for life.

Marcia Ziglinski

Kansas City
Posted on Mon, Oct. 22, 2012 06:04 PM

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/22/3879750/letters-vegans-negative-ads-grover.html#storylink=cpy

htismaqe
10-24-2012, 05:48 PM
This is why KC loves it's soccer team. It's also why the sport will grow in this country.

You know why the sport is growing in this country?

Because they're GETTING THE KIDS.

I live in Iowa - rural America. Granted, we have a lot of Hispanic immigrants here, but the number of kids playing in soccer leagues is EASILY more than Little League baseball and Pop Warner COMBINED.

Soccer at all levels, not just MLS but also the lesser pro franchises, are doing a GREAT job of getting out in the community and energizing the NEXT generation of fans.

penguinz
10-24-2012, 06:00 PM
I mean, kind of, but not really. A player can be in an offside position, but not be actively involved in the play.A player not involved in the play has nothing to do with offside or not offside.


There's plenty of interpretation that can go into it on less than clear plays.No there isn't. The law is really simple.

• “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of a player’s head,
body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent. The arms are not included in this defi nition
• “interfering with play” means playing or touching the ball passed or
touched by a team-mate
• “interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from
playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s
line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in
the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent
• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball that
rebounds to him off a goalpost or the crossbar having been in an offside
position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having
been in an offside position

The issue is that there are humans involved making the call at real speed. the other issue is that most coaches, players, and many inexperienced referees do not understand Law 11.

WoodDraw
10-24-2012, 11:08 PM
Have you ever reffed a game? And tried to decide these things? It sounds simple, but it's a bit harder in real life.

Let's say a player is in an offside position on the left wing, but the ball is played late to a player on the right wing, and he scores. Hasn't the offside player on the left played some role in distracting the goalie? But plenty of goals are scored with players in an offside position, but legitimately so. But there are plenty of judgement calls.

It's like when people say "hand ball" is "really simple". No, it's not. Fuck off. It's called completely differently on the circumstances.

Even your own definition accounts for this: "in the opinion of the referee"... In what world does that not call for interpretation?

penguinz
10-25-2012, 02:38 AM
Have you ever reffed a game? And tried to decide these things? It sounds simple, but it's a bit harder in real life.

Let's say a player is in an offside position on the left wing, but the ball is played late to a player on the right wing, and he scores. Hasn't the offside player on the left played some role in distracting the goalie? But plenty of goals are scored with players in an offside position, but legitimately so. But there are plenty of judgement calls.

It's like when people say "hand ball" is "really simple". No, it's not. **** off. It's called completely differently on the circumstances.

Even your own definition accounts for this: "in the opinion of the referee"... In what world does that not call for interpretation?I have reffed thousands of games. Youth, College, etc.... The example you just gave above is not off.

And deliberately handling is a simple one as well. It is peoples understanding on what actually constitutes deliberately handling that most do not understand.

rtmike
10-25-2012, 04:39 AM
In addition, their becoming the largest youth soccer club in JOCO and all ages of kids wearing a Sporting shield on their uniform will practically guarantee a perpetual interest in the team. What kid going to Sporting games won't want to wear their shield while playing and vice versa. I know if my son wasn't in his last years of club soccer it would be a huge draw for him.




My daughter's team has been called the Timbers a couple decades anyways. We just absorbed a club so there was talk of what the name might be?

Fast forward to the beginning of summer. The Portland Timbers are just across the river (just like KC, Mo. & KC, Ks. in that a river separates. With us it's Vancouver, Wa. & Portland, Or.) & approached our club, Vancouver United, & 3 of the top tier clubs' in Portland about starting up what they call an Alliance. So now it's North (us), eastern, western, & south Timbers. We also had a sponsor step up so the uniform kit has "Director's Mortgage" on the front with each club's insignia up in the front corner.

It's cool for the kids' since all the clubs were top notch to begin with so the name Timbers is well represented in the NW. Got to talking to someone & the NW has grown some decent players.

We're hoping for the women to someday move in. That would benefit our daughter. She's currently on the premier team at her age level. She wants to play for the National team someday. With the boys, my understanding is they can add a local player & it won't count towards a draft pick or something??? Which is super cool since they signed one of their 1st off the U23 team.

I'm trying to give her what my Father never gave me. It's been super easy so far simply because I'm there for her. I'm her full time chauffeur.

I too, use to hate soccer but have really grown to enjoy it now. The Portland Timbers sell out @ the beginning of the season. We've talked about buying season tickets cause it's actually not that much money!

rtmike
10-25-2012, 04:48 AM
It's like when people say "hand ball" is "really simple". No, it's not. **** off. It's called completely differently on the circumstances.

Even your own definition accounts for this: "in the opinion of the referee"... In what world does that not call for interpretation?


It has to be a thankless job. They're always short on referees' & side judges' up here.

I thought that handball rule was modified recently?

We went down to northern Ca. for the Mustang tournament. The refs down there were amazing. I wheeled up to each & every one of them thanking them after every game. I think they were in a state of shock. One ref explained to me he wouldn't call fouls, etc. unless whatever infraction it was, would have made a instant/direct impact on the game.

Some of the parents need to bring lollipops'. They want calls every time their precious little one takes an elbow or falls down. Excuse me, but do you even know how soccer's played? We have about 3 girls' on the team that are solid. It's funny when an opponent runs into one of them. Opponent always ends up on their ass.

carlos3652
10-25-2012, 05:47 AM
Yea - offsides is really tricky - the one that really gets me is the fact that the rule states that there needs to be 2 players (usually a goalie and a defender) in front of the player recieving the ball, once the ball is passed from another teamate.

So basically if the goalie comes off his line - and there is only one defender to beat on goal - if that offensive person makes a forward pass to another teamate and said teamate was behind the defender but in front of the passer - he would be offside as well...

Refs at all levels screw the offsides up - its hard, and you are told if its close to keep your flag down....

That being said on the international and bigger leagues, they get this call right 90% of the time... they are only human -

On the hand ball, you bet your ass its depending on the ref thats calling the game - some have no leeway - it hits you in the hand in the box and its away from your body regardless if intentional or not - its supposed to be called a penalty - and a yellow - and every ref has his own interpretation - sometimes its completely missed, sometimes its fabricated and sometimes its interpreted that a)he was protecting his body, b) had no time to react and wasnt trying to handball it... it sucks -

but yes, handball, and other fouls are judgement calls that the ref makes in game, with a split second to react, he has to interpret a lot of things before making the call (advantage, yellow/red card, intent, etc)

offsides is mostly the lines duty to get it right - but a player that is not active in the play (that is close to the play) might be charged for offside based on being a distraction... but again, the line judge has less to interpret - its almost black and white for them...

Deberg_1990
10-25-2012, 07:41 AM
You know why the sport is growing in this country?

Because they're GETTING THE KIDS.

I live in Iowa - rural America. Granted, we have a lot of Hispanic immigrants here, but the number of kids playing in soccer leagues is EASILY more than Little League baseball and Pop Warner COMBINED.

Soccer at all levels, not just MLS but also the lesser pro franchises, are doing a GREAT job of getting out in the community and energizing the NEXT generation of fans.


Soccer is also fairly cheap to play compared to Baseball and football. Not as much gear to buy.

penguinz
10-25-2012, 08:11 AM
On the hand ball, you bet your ass its depending on the ref thats calling the game - some have no leeway - it hits you in the hand in the box and its away from your body regardless if intentional or not - its supposed to be called a penalty - and a yellow - and every ref has his own interpretation - sometimes its completely missed, sometimes its fabricated and sometimes its interpreted that a)he was protecting his body, b) had no time to react and wasnt trying to handball it... it sucks -

but yes, handball, and other fouls are judgement calls that the ref makes in game, with a split second to react, he has to interpret a lot of things before making the call (advantage, yellow/red card, intent, etc)

offsides is mostly the lines duty to get it right - but a player that is not active in the play (that is close to the play) might be charged for offside based on being a distraction... but again, the line judge has less to interpret - its almost black and white for them...This is somewhat correct. The referee first has to determine if it was the hand that hit the ball or the ball that hit the hand. If it is ball to hand then there a some other criteria that have to be taken into account to determine if it is a foul or not. Advantage has nothing to do with it being a handball or not.

As far as the yellow card.... Just because it was a hand ball in the penalty area it does not mean you must give a yellow. If it was not a yellow card worthy foul at mid-filed then it is not when in the area either. If anything you are more lenient with yellows in the area because the player/team is already being punished with an almost certain goal from the PK.

Do different referees have different interpretations on "handballs"? Yes, this is part of the game. It is a result of the soccer culture in the US of most people not completely understanding the definition of deliberately handling.

As far as line judges... There are no line judges in soccer. There are Referees and Assistant Referees. (AR's)

penguinz
10-25-2012, 08:12 AM
Soccer is also fairly cheap to play compared to Baseball and football. Not as much gear to buy.Have you ever looked at the cost of a quality pair of shoes?

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 08:24 AM
Have you ever looked at the cost of a quality pair of shoes?

They all require roughly the same expenditure on shoes.

Ultra Peanut
10-25-2012, 12:12 PM
Whoa, I hadn't heard about this yet. Kinda shocked. Worked out pretty well for SKC, though, and we all know Clark's heart is in Texas~~

Ultra Peanut
10-25-2012, 12:50 PM
ps soccer owns

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That's not including literally my favorite game ever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jre_bzPJ3Pc) (aside from like the US-Portugal match in the 02 World Cup, I guess).

carlos3652
10-25-2012, 01:23 PM
As far as line judges... There are no line judges in soccer. There are Referees and Assistant Referees. (AR's)

i was translating loosely from spanish to english from what i know - (Juez de linea) is what we call them back home...

also i wasnt going off anything but the rules as how i understood them based on my experience... not a referee or FIFA - just from watching and playing in a crap loads of games... so obviously i can be completely off :p

Ultra Peanut
10-25-2012, 01:59 PM
I really don't get how something as simple as the offside rule can possibly be a contentious or confusing rule after watching your first, I dunno, five matches.

WoodDraw
10-25-2012, 10:27 PM
I really don't get how something as simple as the offside rule can possibly be a contentious or confusing rule after watching your first, I dunno, five matches.

It's simple in theory, and probably on replay, but more nuanced in real time application.