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Chief Gump
10-22-2012, 08:42 AM
I wonder what this will do for cycling and for Lance?


'No place in cycling': Lance Armstrong stripped of Tour de France titles

(CNN) -- Lance Armstrong is losing the seven cycling titles that made him a legend.

The International Cycling Union announced Monday that Armstrong is being stripped of his Tour de France titles.

"Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling," said the union's president, Pat McQuaid, announcing that Armstrong is banned from the sport.

The decision follows this month's finding by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that there is "overwhelming" evidence that Armstrong was involved as a professional cyclist in "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program."

McQuaid said he was "sickened" by the report. But he emphasized, "Cycling has a future."

In a statement, the union wrote, "Today's young riders do not deserve to be branded or tarnished by the past or to pay the price for the Armstrong era."

The group, which officially goes by its French name Union Cycliste International, or UCI, is the cycling's world governing body.

Following the union's announcement, another of Armstrong's sponsors announced it was dropping him.

Oakley said that Armstrong was once "a symbol of possibility" and that the company now looks "forward with hope to athletes and teams of the future who will rekindle that inspiration by racing clean, fair and honest." Like some other sponsors who have made Armstrong enormously wealthy, Oakley said it would continue to support his cancer-fighting foundation.

Armstrong has steadfastly maintained his innocence. At an event Sunday, he did not refer to the controversy directly but said it's been "an interesting and at times very difficult few weeks."

Armstrong's story -- that of a cancer survivor who tamed the grueling three-week race more than any other cyclist before or since -- had made him a household name. But allegations of doping long dogged his career.

Then came this month's finding by the USADA.

The agency announced it would ban Armstrong from the sport for life and strip him of his results dating from 1998. The decision wiped out 14 years of his career. McQuaid said Monday the cycling union would not appeal USADA's decision.

McQuaid, speaking at a news conference Monday, said he does not believe cycling will ever be free from doping, because "I don't think in any aspect of society there are no cheats. I do believe that doping can be hugely reduced."

The keys are education programs and how teams are structured, he said.

Monday's news conference turned somewhat contentious as reporters asked whether the cycling union had looked the other way for years despite growing allegations of widespread doping in the sport. Armstrong had made two donations to the union for anti-doping technology.

McQuaid insisted his organization never ignored the concerns raised about possible doping. And he wrote off any suggestion that Armstrong's contributions had led the organization to make any decision on the issue.

"The UCI has tested Lance Armstrong 218 times. If Lance Armstrong was able to beat the system, then the responsibility for addressing that rests not only with the UCI but also with" the anti-doping agencies that accepted the results, the cycling union said in its statement.

The International Olympic Committee also is reviewing the evidence and could revoke Armstrong's bronze medal from the 2000 Sydney Games.

It is now up to the organizers of the Tour de France whether it will nominate alternate winners for the 1999-2005 tours. The Amaury Sport Organisation, which runs the 21-day event, has said it will decide after the ruling.

The cycling union's decision leaves Greg LeMond as the only American to win the tour. He did so in 1986, 1989 and 1990.

U.S. cyclist Floyd Landers was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France victory in 2010.

In the past, Armstrong, 41, argued that he has taken more than 500 drug tests and never failed. In its 202-page report, the USADA said it had tested Armstrong less than 60 times and the International Cycling Union conducted about 215 tests.

"Thus the number of actual controls on Mr. Armstrong over the years appears to have been considerably fewer than the number claimed by Armstrong and his lawyers," the USADA said.

The agency didn't say that Armstrong ever failed one of those tests, but his former teammates testified as to how they beat tests or avoided the test administrators altogether. Several riders also said team officials seemed to know when random drug tests were coming, the report said.

Speaking to participants in his foundation's annual Ride for the Roses in Austin, Texas, on Sunday, Armstrong said, "People ask me a lot how are you doing. And I tell them I've been better, but I've also been worse."

He stepped down last week as chairman of the Lance Armstrong Foundation -- widely known by the brand name it created, Livestrong -- but said he will continue to be involved. Some of the foundation's donors are furious over the scandal and want their money back.

"We will not be deterred," Armstrong said Friday night at the organization's 15th anniversary celebration in Austin. "We will move forward."

The controversy has taken its toll on Armstrong's endorsement deals.

On the same day he stepped away from the leadership of his foundation, Nike, which initially stood by Armstrong, dropped him with a terse statement citing what it called "seemingly insurmountable evidence" that he participated in doping.

Hours later, brewery giant Anheuser-Busch followed suit, saying it would let Armstrong's contract expire at the end of the year. Nike and Anheuser-Busch said they still planned to support Livestrong and its initiatives.

Other significant sponsors who dropped Armstrong include Trek bicycles and RadioShack.

Professional cycling couldn't escape the backlash either as Dutch bank Rabobank announced it is to end its sponsorship of pro cycling teams in the wake of the doping scandal.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/sport/lance-armstrong-controversy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Reerun_KC
10-22-2012, 08:43 AM
this thread needs deleted as nobody in the World gives a fuck..

Chief Gump
10-22-2012, 08:47 AM
this thread needs deleted as nobody in the World gives a ****..

So a guy who everyone knows who he is gets stripped of the very thing that made him known to everyone isn't news?

DA_T_84
10-22-2012, 08:48 AM
Fuck that shit.

I still love Lance, he is a bad ass mother fucker.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2012, 08:48 AM
So a guy who everyone knows who he is gets stripped of the very thing that made him known to everyone isn't news?

Not really.

Really isnt going to effect mainstream sports.

theelusiveeightrop
10-22-2012, 08:56 AM
Cycling is a sport?

Chief Gump
10-22-2012, 09:06 AM
Cycling is a sport?

Lets do the "Is it a true sport?" test.

Question 1. Do you not sweat when you train for this?
Question 2. Could someone with little training be as good as you?
Question 3. Can you be drunk and do it better then when you are sober?

If you answered no to all of these questions then it probably is a sport. Might not be one you necessarily follow but it is a sport.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-22-2012, 09:13 AM
Absolute BS, Lance is ok in my book. Who gives a flying fukushima if he was doping, dudes a winner. Hire him for GM!

Graystoke
10-22-2012, 09:16 AM
Glad it went down like this.
Just another fraud doper.
Now comes the lawsuits, and soon the tearful admision that Lance was doped to the gills.
I am pleased they left those years as "No winner". The whole era was doping filled.

Saulbadguy
10-22-2012, 09:22 AM
this thread needs deleted as nobody in the World gives a fuck..

Look back at this forum in 2004, D.C. posters were lining up kiss Lance's ass because he was "PUTTIN AN ASS WHIPPIN ON DEM FROGS YEEEEEEEHAW"

J Diddy
10-22-2012, 09:23 AM
Lets do the "Is it a true sport?" test.

Question 1. Do you not sweat when you train for this?
Question 2. Could someone with little training be as good as you?
Question 3. Can you be drunk and do it better then when you are sober?

If you answered no to all of these questions then it probably is a sport. Might not be one you necessarily follow but it is a sport.

You bet I sweat when I train, it's doubtful that anybody could be better at this--I have years of experience, and I could never, ever be as coordinated drunk as I am sober.

Holy cow. Masturbation's a sport.

KC_Connection
10-22-2012, 09:27 AM
Glad it went down like this.
Just another fraud doper.
Now comes the lawsuits, and soon the tearful admision that Lance was doped to the gills.
I am pleased they left those years as "No winner". The whole era was doping filled.
Every era. If you want to win at professional cycling, you pretty much have to do with Lance did.

WV
10-22-2012, 09:40 AM
If everyone is cheating is it still cheating?

mikey23545
10-22-2012, 09:50 AM
Well, the French finally found a way to not lose. Sort of.

Saulbadguy
10-22-2012, 09:50 AM
Well, the French finally found a way to not lose. Sort of.

Exhibit A.

theelusiveeightrop
10-22-2012, 09:57 AM
You bet I sweat when I train, it's doubtful that anybody could be better at this--I have years of experience, and I could never, ever be as coordinated drunk as I am sober.

Holy cow. Masturbation's a sport.


If masturbation is a sport, how come it is not in the Olympics like trampoline and rhythmic gymnastics?

J Diddy
10-22-2012, 09:59 AM
If masturbation is a sport, how come it is not in the Olympics like trampoline and rhythmic gymnastics?

My theory is it would distract all the athletes.

Donger
10-22-2012, 09:59 AM
Look back at this forum in 2004, D.C. posters were lining up kiss Lance's ass because he was "PUTTIN AN ASS WHIPPIN ON DEM FROGS YEEEEEEEHAW"

You are defending the French?

Donger
10-22-2012, 09:59 AM
Cycling is a sport?

Yes.

loochy
10-22-2012, 10:02 AM
If everyone is cheating is it still cheating?

This. It's just like baseball - who cares?

Although I think Lance is an uber douche so I just like seeing him get in trouble...

DaFace
10-22-2012, 10:03 AM
this thread needs deleted as nobody in the World gives a fuck..

This post needs to be deleted as a vast majority of the World disagrees.

-King-
10-22-2012, 10:03 AM
If masturbation is a sport, how come it is not in the Olympics like trampoline and rhythmic gymnastics?

They'd never leave the locker room.

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Bane
10-22-2012, 10:06 AM
Do not give 1 fuck.

Garcia Bronco
10-22-2012, 10:10 AM
LOL...you can't strip him. He won them. Sorry Tourdegayshit.

Graystoke
10-22-2012, 10:15 AM
Tour wants its money back!


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/prudhomme-this-era-must-be-remembered-as-an-era-without-winners

Snippet:

Tour de France organisers want Armstrong to repay $3 million prize money

Christian Prudhomme, the director of the Tour de France, has confirmed that he does not want Lance Armstrong’s seven Tour de France victories reassigned after the UCI ratified the USADA verdict to ban the Texan and disqualify him from results going back to August 1998.

Prudhomme also said that he expects Armstrong to pay back his estimated three million dollars he won in the race.

“There won’t be a winner. The formal decision will be taken by the UCI on Friday but for us, it’s very clear; we want to leave the palmares blank,” Prudhomme told the Reuters news agency after hearing Pat McQuaid speaking during his Geneva press conference.

“The USADA report accuses a system and an era. This era must be remembered as an era without winners.”

According to l’Equipe, Armstrong won approximately 2.95 million Euro via his seven Tour de France victories and six stage victories. Prudhomme insisted that this money will have be paid back, even if it has been shared amongst teammates.

DJ's left nut
10-22-2012, 10:18 AM
Glad it went down like this.
Just another fraud doper.
Now comes the lawsuits, and soon the tearful admision that Lance was doped to the gills.
I am pleased they left those years as "No winner". The whole era was doping filled.

Cycling in general is filled with doping.

If you win, you were probably cheating. You may have just been doing a better job of not getting caught.

Look at these huge cycling teams and the amount of money going into them. And anytime one of them gets raided, there's some super-chemist with his name on a balance sheet somewhere.

I say cycling should just give up and let them inject themselves with whatever horse testosterone trips their trigger. A clean rider has absolutely not chance against these guys and if they get stripped 5 years later they don't really give a !@#$ (money's been made).

The only reason I care is that a really legendary story has gone by the wayside - what if he was clean. Alas, we probably should've known it was too good to be true.

gblowfish
10-22-2012, 10:20 AM
In a related story, Sheryl Crow wants her virginity back....

Saulbadguy
10-22-2012, 10:20 AM
You are defending the French?

Exhibit B.

Donger
10-22-2012, 10:23 AM
Exhibit B.

That's okay. They do require defending from time to time.

KC_Connection
10-22-2012, 10:24 AM
If everyone is cheating is it still cheating?
Ask Carl Lewis.

Rain Man
10-22-2012, 10:27 AM
Upon closer inspection, they also discovered that he was riding a motorcycle in the 2003 race.

redhed
10-22-2012, 10:35 AM
Stay tuned folks, NOW it's gonna get good...

If Lance "comes clean" he'll basically admit he lied to the feds. I don't think we will ever hear a confession. His best alt is to STFU before he has to give back all his prize money.
I'm not sure LA is wired that way.
LA is still going to have many civil suits to deal with, so that will eat up a lot of $. Cheating is one thing, but you can't cheat AND be a dick about it all your life.
I'm sure LeMond and the Andreu's lawyers are salivating.

suds79
10-22-2012, 10:36 AM
Upon closer inspection, they also discovered that he was riding a motorcycle in the 2003 race.

:LOL:

I'll say this once so I don't get in the habit of bumping this thread but I honestly could not care less what happens to Lance or his titles. Keep em, strip em, doesn't matter. It's cycling.

CoMoChief
10-22-2012, 10:39 AM
I'll take "No one will ever care about cycling anymore" for $800, Alex.

outhega
10-22-2012, 11:30 AM
I find it interesting simply for the fact that according to the article he was tested an average of 1.5 times a month for fifteen years, and never failed. I'm not saying he didn't dope but damn, that is some dedicated doping. If true, he spent just as much time and effort beating the system as he did training.

Graystoke
10-22-2012, 11:33 AM
I find it interesting simply for the fact that according to the article he was tested an average of 1.5 times a month for fifteen years, and never failed. I'm not saying he didn't dope but damn, that is some dedicated doping. If true, he spent just as much time and effort beating the system as he did training.

Not much of an effort when:

A) You have inside knowledge when the testing is going to occur.
B) You know how to beat the test.
C) You are a protected rider by the UCI

outhega
10-22-2012, 11:48 AM
Not much of an effort when:

A) You have inside knowledge when the testing is going to occur.
B) You know how to beat the test.
C) You are a protected rider by the UCI

This is all true. I'm just saying:

A) Even if you know when the testing is you still have to cycle off, and at 1.5 time a month (assuming like the article says he never failed) then that leaves only about one week to actually be on the juice.
B) There are ways to beat the test but at that frequency he would have to know A and B which would require help. (And fresh urine)
C)If this is true then it is a conspiracy and people were getting something for covering the whole thing up. The union shouldn't be off the hook of an investigation.

They are doing this just like the NFL bounty deal, saying they have overwhelming evidence but not actually telling anybody what it is. Not that have to or care to I just find it interesting. I was a big Armstrong fan but ultimately they are doing this to late for anybody other than those people who are involved to care.

notorious
10-22-2012, 12:00 PM
Better strip every person that placed in the top 100.

alnorth
10-22-2012, 12:01 PM
I find it interesting simply for the fact that according to the article he was tested an average of 1.5 times a month for fifteen years, and never failed. I'm not saying he didn't dope but damn, that is some dedicated doping. If true, he spent just as much time and effort beating the system as he did training.

If you read the report (yeah its huge and takes a while), you'll find that the testing regime back then was laughably pathetic.

First of all, the stuff they were taking usually became undetectable within hours (the testers didn't know that, they were behind the cheaters in chemistry knowledge), and they knew there was almost zero chance of being woken up in the middle of the night. So, they usually doped right before going to bed.

The times when this was not an option (they needed to take something that is detectable longer than a few hours), they somehow had insider knowledge tipping them off when the "random" drug test was going to happen.

A few times when this all failed, the drug tester was so incompetent or easily-intimidated that they were able to delay him long enough to hook Lance up to a saline IV that made whatever he took undetectable.

One time when Lance was taking something that couldn't be washed out and they were surprised with a test that they weren't tipped off about, luckily for Lance, he was out of the hotel and his team was able to warn him by text. Lance, knowing he was nailed, formally dropped out of the race, then as a non-competitor he couldn't be tested.

Beyond all of that, he actually did test positive a few times and was nailed, but every time he either got off on a technicality (French test) or the UCI just made the results go away (a few results back then which were merely labeled "suspicious" would now be considered "positive" under today's standards), or the positive tests happened after 2009 where people could say "oh, who cares".

He was guilty as hell. He also can never admit it unless he works out a deal with the Feds, because he perjured himself.

loochy
10-22-2012, 12:01 PM
Better strip every person that placed in the top 100.

especially the female division

http://assets.cyclingforums.com.s3.amazonaws.com/1/15/157e7b97_vbattach1410.jpg

notorious
10-22-2012, 12:03 PM
especially the female division

http://assets.cyclingforums.com.s3.amazonaws.com/1/15/157e7b97_vbattach1410.jpg

Yes.

mikey23545
10-22-2012, 12:03 PM
French Cyclists Declaring Victory Over Lance Armstrong


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outhega
10-22-2012, 12:05 PM
If you read the report (yeah its huge and takes a while), you'll find that the testing regime back then was laughably pathetic.

First of all, the stuff they were taking usually became undetectable within hours (the testers didn't know that, they were behind the cheaters in chemistry knowledge), and they knew there was almost zero chance of being woken up in the middle of the night. So, they usually doped right before going to bed.

The times when this was not an option (they needed to take something that is detectable longer than a few hours), they somehow had insider knowledge tipping them off when the "random" drug test was going to happen.

A few times when this all failed, the drug tester was so incompetent or easily-intimidated that they were able to delay him long enough to hook Lance up to a saline IV that made whatever he took undetectable.

One time when Lance was taking something that couldn't be washed out and they were surprised with a test that they weren't tipped off about, luckily for Lance, he was out of the hotel and his team was able to warn him by text. Lance, knowing he was nailed, formally dropped out of the race, then as a non-competitor he couldn't be tested.

Beyond all of that, he actually did test positive a few times and was nailed, but every time he either got off on a technicality (French test) or the UCI just made the results go away (a few results back then which were merely labeled "suspicious" would now be considered "positive" under today's standards), or the positive tests happened after 2009 where people could say "oh, who cares".

He was guilty as hell. He also can never admit it unless he works out a deal with the Feds, because he perjured himself.


Hmmm. Yeah I did not know that. Thank you.

DaFace
01-17-2013, 10:35 PM
He was guilty as hell. He also can never admit it unless he works out a deal with the Feds, because he perjured himself.

Well, I'm curious to see how this part of it all works out now.

KCChiefsFan88
01-17-2013, 11:03 PM
Betsy Andreu went on CNN, 5 minutes after the Lance interview to say the part where he claimed to have called her and apologized and everything was good now between the two was basically bullshit.

warpaint*
01-17-2013, 11:07 PM
He really is an incredible dirtbag. The cheating is bad. There are lots of cheats.

There aren't lots of people that are so brazen and morally bankrupt that they will attack, damage, and in some cases basically ruin other peoples lives b/c they told the truth about him.

He makes Roger Clemens look semi respectable.

beach tribe
01-17-2013, 11:09 PM
Why in the holy hell would this moron come clean at this point??
I just don't get it.
Did Oprah offer him $100 mil to do so? Surely not. So....why?

Count Alex's Wins
01-17-2013, 11:10 PM
Fucking French.

KCChiefsFan88
01-17-2013, 11:13 PM
On a related subject, Oprah somehow looks worse than she did when she weighed 800 pounds.

Also Oprah clearly was intimidated and nervous during the whole interview.

Terrible showing on her part.

Fritz88
01-17-2013, 11:15 PM
Why in the holy hell would this moron come clean at this point??
I just don't get it.
Did Oprah offer him $100 mil to do so? Surely not. So....why?

He wants to have shot at coming back again.