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Marcellus
10-23-2012, 04:12 PM
Chiefs QBs Quinn, Cassel prepare for new roles

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star


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In one corner of the Chiefs’ locker room this week, there is joy over a career possibly revived. Brady Quinn’s journey through the NFL, which had once appeared so promising, had gone mostly dormant until Monday, when head coach Romeo Crennel declared him the team’s new starting quarterback.

In another corner of the same room, there is sadness about a career that could be ruined. Matt Cassel’s run as an NFL starter has come to an end for the time being, and perhaps forever.

Crennel summed it up with his simple explanation of why Quinn, and not Cassel, will start Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium — and remain the Chiefs’ starting quarterback for the foreseeable future.

“My biggest deal was my gut (feeling) in telling me that I needed to impact the team by changing the dynamic — by having a different dynamic,” Crennel said. “Brady Quinn is the guy I want to go with.”

That’s the way things work for NFL quarterbacks: One man’s good fortune is another man’s misery. For Quinn, the change represents a well-traveled but seldom-started veteran’s chance — perhaps his last one — to realize the potential he showed at Notre Dame, and later as a first-round pick of the Cleveland Browns in 2007.

It dawned on Quinn this week that he wouldn’t be the first quarterback to claim success long after others had left his career for dead.

That, of course, is only if he can make something of this trial with the Chiefs.

“Those sorts of thoughts come at the back end (of one’s career),” Quinn said. “If you asked Rich Gannon where his career jump-started at, Steve Young where his career jump-started at, Kurt Warner, etc. — those are great quarterbacks. I’m not comparing myself to anybody, but I think those guys will probably tell you that it was after the fact, looking back, that they would tell you where they kind of jump-started their careers.

“They might have thought it at times throughout, and it may not have worked out for them that way. So for me, it’s not ever about focusing on that. It’s focusing on the process of getting better and trying to come out of each game feeling like I’ve gotten better. I know we didn’t win (against Tampa Bay), and I didn’t play great, but I felt like I got better that day. I learned things either through my mistakes or through some good things there on the field.

“It’s not necessarily about the end result right now. I’ll worry about that once my career is over.”

In the meantime, Quinn said he is trying not to let the bigger picture affect his daily preparation.

“There is always pressure in games,” Quinn said. “Pressure is what you make of it. As a quarterback in this league, you’re used to it. We do a good job with our coaching staff, and really the players in here, of rallying around each other and focusing on what’s on the field and not necessarily what’s around us.

“I’m not the type of guy to play hypotheticals. I don’t let my mind wander to those spots.”

One of the more intriguing aspects to this upward trend in Quinn’s career is that it’s happening while he’s reunited with Crennel, who coached the Browns when Quinn was drafted. The futures of both men may again be tied together; it’s quite possible that one won’t succeed unless the other does.

For Cassel, things are more complicated. He didn’t come to the NFL with Quinn’s pedigree — he wasn’t even a starter at Southern Cal, and the Patriots risked a mere seventh-round draft pick on him in 2005. In fact, Cassel became a starter in New England only when Tom Brady was injured in 2008. Given that opportunity, he played well enough that Scott Pioli traded for him after becoming the Chiefs’ general manager in 2009.

Since then, Cassel experienced some highs (he made the Pro Bowl and the Chiefs won the AFC West in 2010) and lows (he’s currently the NFL’s worst-rated passer).

“Anytime you make a change at a highlight position like quarterback, the young man who is playing that position doesn’t like it,” Crennel said. “But I think Matt is a good pro and he’ll be a team player as it relates to it. And I think he’ll continue to do everything he can to help the team win. Matt does try hard, he does work hard, but things have not been happening right with this team, so I’m changing the dynamic and we’ll see what happens with Quinn as the starter.’’

Cassel clearly wasn’t happy with the change, perhaps because he understands its long-term ramifications. Barring an emergency — Quinn getting hurt, for instance — it will be difficult for the Chiefs to go back to a quarterback they once benched.

And unlike Quinn, Cassel probably doesn’t have the kind of background or natural ability that will make him attractive to another team as a potential starter.

“Right now, I am the backup,” he said, as if he was still trying to get used to the sound of it. “That is my role on this team. I’ll embrace that role and I’ll work hard, and if my opportunity comes to play, I’ll be ready to go.

“You’re not going to take the fight out of me. I’m going to continue to fight, continue to compete in whatever capacity that is.”

Cassel might need every bit of that attitude if he’s going to resurrect his career.

There’s an adjustment to being a backup again, one that Quinn knows well.

“It changes the dynamics, for sure,” Cassel said. “I’ve been in (the starter’s) role now for four or five years. It’ll take a little bit of an adjustment period. But it won’t change my work ethic or how (hard) I work.”

Posted on Tue, Oct. 23, 2012 01:55 PM



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And so it begins.....................


More hard hitting news from Tiecher. One thing I like is the finality of Cassel being benched. It's just relieving.

Reerun_KC
10-23-2012, 04:13 PM
LOL, Real nice Chiefs, replace a pile of dog shit with a pile of warmer dog shit...


FML, this franchise and its QB's...

suds79
10-23-2012, 04:16 PM
Man it's got to be tough right now for Adam to write stories.

I couldn't even bring myself to being reading it. My initial though to the headline was "And nobody cares."

Just lose baby.

Rausch
10-23-2012, 04:16 PM
More hard hitting news from Tiecher. One thing I like is the finality of Cassel being benched. It's just relieving.

I can't read that enough...

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-23-2012, 04:17 PM
It's truly the end of Cassel. A reason for all Chief fans to celebrate. April is going to be like Christmas morning when they unwrap their new QB.

keg in kc
10-23-2012, 04:19 PM
It's truly the end of Cassel. A reason for all Chief fans to celebrate. April is going to be like Christmas morning when they unwrap their new QB.April? What, is it going to take them a month to introduce their latest free agent journeyman starter?

DaneMcCloud
10-23-2012, 04:20 PM
.

Dude, you need to copy articles to Microsoft Notepad before posting to the forum so that the formatting isn't lost.

DBOSHO
10-23-2012, 04:21 PM
Lets say quinn gets the next 5 games to prove himself and goes a mediocre 1-4, romeo gives stanzi the last 5 games and goes:

4-1
1300 yards
6 tds 2 ints

Do you keep him and start him next season?

Rausch
10-23-2012, 04:23 PM
It's truly the end of Cassel. A reason for all Chief fans to celebrate. April is going to be like Christmas morning when they unwrap their new QB.

The first baby step has been taken.

First you have to admit you've got a problem...

Count Alex's Wins
10-23-2012, 04:25 PM
Are you using netscape?

Chris Meck
10-23-2012, 04:27 PM
Lets say quinn gets the next 5 games to prove himself and goes a mediocre 1-4, romeo gives stanzi the last 5 games and goes:

4-1
1300 yards
6 tds 2 ints

Do you keep him and start him next season?

Sure, you keep him. Then you draft the QB you want in rd 1 and have 'em fight it out in camp.

lcarus
10-23-2012, 04:27 PM
Lets say quinn gets the next 5 games to prove himself and goes a mediocre 1-4, romeo gives stanzi the last 5 games and goes:

4-1
1300 yards
6 tds 2 ints

Do you keep him and start him next season?

I still draft the best available QB, cut Cassel and Quinn, and let Stanzi and rookie duke it out for the starting job.

Marcellus
10-23-2012, 04:28 PM
Dude, you need to copy articles to Microsoft Notepad before posting to the forum so that the formatting isn't lost.

Fixed.

TEX
10-23-2012, 04:28 PM
Can't wait till it reads "Chiefs Pioli, Crennel prepare for new roles."

TEX
10-23-2012, 04:29 PM
I still draft the best available QB, cut Cassel and Quinn, and let Stanzi and rookie duke it out for the starting job.

I think that Quinn will be average and become the backup going into next year. They cut Cassel and Stanzi after the season.

Count Alex's Wins
10-23-2012, 04:29 PM
In one corner of the Chiefs’ locker room this week, there is joy over a career possibly revived.

LMAO

Did anyone watch the fucking game last week?

Quinn is dog shit and this is probably the last team he will play on.

DaneMcCloud
10-23-2012, 04:31 PM
Fixed.

:thumb:

Marcellus
10-23-2012, 04:32 PM
I think that Quinn will be average and become the backup going into next year. They cut Cassel and Stanzi after the season.

I think that 100% depends on who is coaching which will depend on how many games we can lose the rest of the way.

I am praying we don't pull some shit like we did last year.

Count Alex's Wins
10-23-2012, 04:33 PM
Benching Cassel, and letting Pioli keep his job is like Europe giving into Hitler's demands before WWII.

Fuck that shit.

DaneMcCloud
10-23-2012, 04:34 PM
Lets say quinn gets the next 5 games to prove himself and goes a mediocre 1-4, romeo gives stanzi the last 5 games and goes:

4-1
1300 yards
6 tds 2 ints

Do you keep him and start him next season?

:Lin:

durtyrute
10-23-2012, 04:44 PM
Sure, you keep him. Then you draft the QB you want in rd 1 and have 'em fight it out in camp.

This

Rausch
10-23-2012, 04:48 PM
Sure, you keep him. Then you draft the QB you want in rd 1 and have 'em fight it out in camp.

Fight it out my ass.

You keep the one QB on this roster as the 3rd QB. Sign the best vet we can in free agency and draft a QB.

Have the vet and rookie fight it out in camp/preseason. If the draft pick isn't ready have the vet start until the young guy is.

NO QB on this team should be starting next year...

Pestilence
10-23-2012, 04:49 PM
Fight it out my ass.

You keep the one QB on this roster as the 3rd QB. Sign the best vet we can in free agency and draft a QB.

Have the vet and rookie fight it out in camp/preseason. If the draft pick isn't ready have the vet start until the young guy is.

NO QB on this team should be starting next year...

This.

crazycoffey
10-23-2012, 04:51 PM
Come on Brady, you can do it. 10 in a row.....

HemiEd
10-23-2012, 05:03 PM
ROFL at this place sometimes, and hate to rain on your parade.

I hope like hell this guy, Brady Quinn hits a gear never seen from him before, and turns out to be THE guy.

Maybe I am getting cynical, but I think there is a better chance of that, than the Chiefs actually drafting and developing a 1st round QB successfully. Especially since they haven't accomplished it in their entire history and haven't even tried in 30 years.

If they do, nobody will be happier than me, or more surprised.

mcaj22
10-23-2012, 05:07 PM
i hope all three of these turds; Quinn, Cassel and Stanzi are no where near this roster next season

draft a QB in round 1, sign a veteran in FA and bring in an UDFA to battle with Tanney.

start ****ing fresh

Tribal Warfare
10-23-2012, 05:14 PM
i hope the all three of these turds; Quinn, Cassel and Stanzi are no where near this roster next season

draft a QB in round 1, sign a veteran in FA and bring in an UDFA to battle with Tanney.

start ****ing fresh

Pioli has to go first

Coogs
10-23-2012, 05:18 PM
ROFL at this place sometimes, and hate to rain on your parade.

I hope like hell this guy, Brady Quinn hits a gear never seen from him before, and turns out to be THE guy.

Maybe I am getting cynical, but I think there is a better chance of that, than the Chiefs actually drafting and developing a 1st round QB successfully. Especially since they haven't accomplished it in their entire history and haven't even tried in 30 years.

If they do, nobody will be happier than me, or more surprised.

I'm with you on this one.

BossChief
10-23-2012, 06:28 PM
Lets say quinn gets the next 5 games to prove himself and goes a mediocre 1-4, romeo gives stanzi the last 5 games and goes:

4-1
1300 yards
6 tds 2 ints

Do you keep him and start him next season?

Nothing Stanzi could do (outside of rallying us to the playoffs and a playoff win) should let him be given the starting role next year without competition.

If he does as you posted, he earns a right to battle in an open competition in OTAs, but said competition would be weighted towards our first round rookie.

DBOSHO
10-23-2012, 07:16 PM
Nothing Stanzi could do (outside of rallying us to the playoffs and a playoff win) should let him be given the starting role next year without competition.

If he does as you posted, he earns a right to battle in an open competition in OTAs, but said competition would be weighted towards our first round rookie.

Youre absolutely right. I shouldve changed that to letting him compete for the starting position.

Still, it would be nice if that scenario would work out, as unlikely that it is. Personally i think it would be funny as hell if we fired pioli right before stanzi came in and won some games for us.

Rausch
10-23-2012, 07:28 PM
Still, it would be nice if that scenario would work out, as unlikely that it is. Personally i think it would be funny as hell if we fired pioli right before stanzi came in and won some games for us.

If Pioli was canned I'd love to see us rip of 3 or 4 wins to end the season and finish on a high note...

Nightfyre
10-23-2012, 07:30 PM
If Pioli was canned I'd love to see us rip of 3 or 4 wins to end the season and finish on a high note...

Yea, three or four useless wins that give Crennel another year and bump us out of position to draft a franchise QB.

Rausch
10-23-2012, 07:34 PM
Yea, three or four useless wins that give Crennel another year and bump us out of position to draft a franchise QB.

If we get a new GM Romeo and most the coaches here are gone...

Nightfyre
10-23-2012, 07:36 PM
If we get a new GM Romeo and most the coaches here are gone...

Just like Herm was, right? The fact that Clark pushed for him to get a shot at that job was a joke.

BossChief
10-23-2012, 07:48 PM
Yea, three or four useless wins that give Crennel another year and bump us out of position to draft a franchise QB.

Lets not act as if 3 or 4 wins toward the end of a dumpster fire year is gonna save anyones job.

This team will probably have 10 losses when Stanzi takes over.

petegz28
10-23-2012, 07:57 PM
Man, I cannot believe some of you still even mention Stanzi

whoman69
10-23-2012, 08:14 PM
Hypothetical: What if Quinn plays about the same as he did versus the Bucs?

Rausch
10-23-2012, 08:14 PM
Hypothetical: What if Quinn plays about the same as he did versus the Bucs?

We continue to lose.

Your point?...

Mr_Tomahawk
10-23-2012, 08:16 PM
Yea, three or four useless wins that give Crennel another year and bump us out of position to draft a franchise QB.

3-4 wins will put us in perfect position to draft Wilson. :p

htismaqe
10-24-2012, 07:09 AM
Man, I cannot believe some of you still even mention Stanzi

Some of us?!?!?!

ROFL

htismaqe
10-24-2012, 07:09 AM
Hypothetical: What if Quinn plays about the same as he did versus the Bucs?

That's not a hypothetical, that's a given.

Hog Farmer
10-24-2012, 07:50 AM
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King_Chief_Fan
10-24-2012, 07:54 AM
Hypothetical: What if Quinn plays about the same as he did versus the Bucs?

we apologize to Cassel and we give both of them some nice parting gifts

King_Chief_Fan
10-24-2012, 07:55 AM
Lets not act as if 3 or 4 wins toward the end of a dumpster fire year is gonna save anyones job.

This team will probably have 10 losses when Stanzi takes over.

and 15 loses after Stanzi takes over

Guru
10-24-2012, 07:57 AM
and 15 loses after Stanzi takes over

DAmn it is going to be a looooong season.

theelusiveeightrop
10-24-2012, 07:57 AM
Don't see any of the three QB's back next year.

Hog Farmer
10-24-2012, 08:01 AM
Don't see any of the three QB's back next year.

YOUR AND IDIOT !

AussieChiefsFan
10-24-2012, 08:02 AM
YOUR AND IDIOT !

The irony.

ChiefsNow
10-24-2012, 08:04 AM
I have not given up on Stanzi. I think he is just a little immature.
Wasn't Quinn signed for just 1 year?

Quinn has to light it up this year for us to keep him.
I think we will draft a QB either way.

If Quinn does light it up, he will probably be desired by other teams and I doubt we try to out bid them.

I think we will get our franchise QB in this coming draft.

I heard Holmgren on the radio saying he misses coaching. Yes? no?

Would he want to be GM and Coach ?

Is he worth a fuck?

Rausch
10-24-2012, 08:08 AM
I heard Holmgren on the radio saying he misses coaching. Yes? no?


No...

CoMoChief
10-24-2012, 08:54 AM
Don't see any of the three QB's back next year.

I bet Quinn will be a backup.

Can't see Cassel or Stanzi still being on this team...and it would be criminally stupid to put Stanzi on the PS.

CoMoChief
10-24-2012, 08:54 AM
Holmegren has success w/ QB's. That's something to look at.

lcarus
10-24-2012, 09:10 AM
I think that Quinn will be average and become the backup going into next year. They cut Cassel and Stanzi after the season.

I was just saying that based on the presumption that Quinn is a complete train wreck for the rest of this season. If he looks good enough to keep on the roster, sure.

Also the guys hypothetical scenario where Stanzi comes in and plays extremely well the last few games of the year.

theelusiveeightrop
10-24-2012, 09:14 AM
I bet Quinn will be a backup.

Can't see Cassel or Stanzi still being on this team...and it would be criminally stupid to put Stanzi on the PS.

Evidently I ARE A IDIOT.But, I just prefer to go with a complete slate of new faces, rather than bring back any of this detritus.

KC_Lee
10-24-2012, 09:15 AM
So Cassel's new role is "Candy Wrapper Pick Up Boy"?

Dayze
10-24-2012, 09:20 AM
Piss Boy

tredadda
10-24-2012, 09:21 AM
LOL, Real nice Chiefs, replace a pile of dog shit with a pile of warmer dog shit...


FML, this franchise and its QB's...

:spock: We flew a banner that wanted Cassel benched. He is and now you complain about it? Who do you think was going to replace him? The season has to end before we can draft a first round QB. We can't just pull him out of college to start for us right now. Our options were Cassel, Quinn, or Stanzi.

Reerun_KC
10-24-2012, 09:27 AM
:spock: We flew a banner that wanted Cassel benched. He is and now you complain about it? Who do you think was going to replace him? The season has to end before we can draft a first round QB. We can't just pull him out of college to start for us right now. Our options were Cassel, Quinn, or Stanzi.

Which is why I said "FML, this franchise and its QB's..."


I voted for wildcat. Cassel and Quinn are one in the same and Stanzi has zero business in the NFL...

FML, this franchise and its QB's...

tredadda
10-24-2012, 09:31 AM
Which is why I said "FML, this franchise and its QB's..."


I voted for wildcat. Cassel and Quinn are one in the same and Stanzi has zero business in the NFL...

FML, this franchise and its QB's...

Yes they are all garbage, but this abortion of a season has to end before we can remedy it. We all knew this was a possibility when Pioli brought Quinn in to be Cassel's "competition". Now we just have to sit back and endure hoping Clark slash and burns this entire team (minus the star players).

morphius
10-24-2012, 09:50 AM
I see an injury happening to Quinn in the next 2 games, I don't know why, but it would seem to be our luck.

Reerun_KC
10-24-2012, 09:53 AM
I see an injury happening to Quinn in the next 2 games, I don't know why, but it would seem to be our luck.

Which means more Cassel time and more extreme suckage...

morphius
10-24-2012, 11:58 AM
Which means more Cassel time and more extreme suckage...
I don't think there is proof that even without Cassel out there that there wouldn't be extreme suckage. Carr is known as being pretty brutally sucky as well.

BossChief
10-24-2012, 12:24 PM
Holmegren has success w/ QB's. That's something to look at.

How do you figure?

What has he done with his own qbs the last decade or so?

Marcellus
10-24-2012, 12:57 PM
How do you figure?

What has he done with his own qbs the last decade or so?

Made Matt Hasselbeck into an above average Qb?

Bump
10-24-2012, 12:59 PM
Made Matt Hasselbeck into an above average Qb?

even took them to a Superbowl that they probably should have won

milkman
10-24-2012, 01:35 PM
Which is why I said "FML, this franchise and its QB's..."


I voted for wildcat. Cassel and Quinn are one in the same and Stanzi has zero business in the NFL...

FML, this franchise and its QB's...

Before this team could move on, they had to finally recognize that Cassel was shit.

Benching him in favor of Brady Quinn is the first step.

I don't give a rat's ass that Quinn is also shit.

We now have hope that QB becomes the highest priority in the draft.

whoman69
10-24-2012, 01:46 PM
Before this team could move on, they had to finally recognize that Cassel was shit.

Benching him in favor of Brady Quinn is the first step.

I don't give a rat's ass that Quinn is also shit.

We now have hope that QB becomes the highest priority in the draft.

Ditto. The fact that they made the change is the first step.

KC Tattoo
10-24-2012, 01:50 PM
My ceiling for Quinn is what I said about Kyle Orton. He will bring the good the bad and the fugly. Its going be a roller coaster ride with him looking good one minute then a WTF?!? moment the next. Not the same as Cassell in that it was just rair for those good moments to happen and we just knew he would fuck up anyways.

I don't really expect Quinn to pass as many yards as Kyle Orton but I think he is going use his legs more and run for them extra yards. Much like Kyle Orton his problem was finding the endzone for TDs. Kyle Orton red zone efficiency was horrid. Can Quinn be any better than Kyle Orton I think not. Are Pioli & Romeo going be dumb and any time Quinn makes a big play or we win just handful of games they will put him as our QB next year, I think so. That's my fear.

KC_Lee
10-24-2012, 01:51 PM
Made Matt Hasselbeck into an above average Qb?

You mean he brought him to Seattle to run the same system he had been studying since he came into the NFL???

Wow that's some real QB coaching there.

htismaqe
10-24-2012, 02:19 PM
You mean he brought him to Seattle to run the same system he had been studying since he came into the NFL???

Wow that's some real QB coaching there.

Holmgren brought him to Seattle from GREEN BAY.

Holmgren went to Seattle from GREEN BAY.

KC_Lee
10-24-2012, 02:40 PM
Holmgren brought him to Seattle from GREEN BAY.

Holmgren went to Seattle from GREEN BAY.

Yes, that's my point. Hasselback was Favre's back up, sort of like DV bringing in Green from St. Louis. Same system, not much learning curve.

htismaqe
10-24-2012, 03:03 PM
Yes, that's my point. Hasselback was Favre's back up, sort of like DV bringing in Green from St. Louis. Same system, not much learning curve.

Except that it was HOLMGREN'S system.

SNR
10-24-2012, 03:20 PM
April? What, is it going to take them a month to introduce their latest free agent journeyman starter?

Belichick and Pioli got hung up on the insider details of the Ryan Mallett trade. Eventually Pioli would cave in just in time for the draft so we can take our new ILB/CB/NT