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Mr_Tomahawk
10-24-2012, 11:53 AM
Who will be the Chiefs starting quarterback in 2013?

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/chiefs-chop-talk-video-analysis-bj-kissel/2012/10/24/3548242/who-will-be-the-chiefs-starting-quarterback-in-2013

After making the decision to name Brady Quinn as the starting quarterback for the rest of the season I believe there's a much better chance the Chiefs draft a quarterback in the first round of the 2013 NFL draft. I know that it's just October and we have 10 games left in the season but it's where we're at right now in regards to the position.

As we sit here today I believe there are five possibilities as to who will be under center for the Chiefs when we take the field in 2013. It's not to assume the team will continue to lose and get a top pick, but even winning a handful of games I would still think doing whatever is needed to grab one of the top quarterbacks in the draft would be a priority.

#1. Matt Cassel

I just riled up 1,276 people just 141 words into this article. In full disclosure I did support Matt Cassel from the beginning and I even thought he would have a great season this year with all of the moves the Chiefs made in the off-season. Even those who weren't fans of Cassel could not have seen this kind of season coming and if you say you did see this coming, well then, I just don't believe you. To expect his worst season in a Chiefs uniform after the team made upgrades doesn't make sense to me. But here we are and a change was needed, and made.

#2. Brady Quinn

What are the chances that Quinn just comes out and earns a new contract and takes over as the starting quarterback for the Chiefs for the next few seasons? Probably not very likely although I know there are some Kool-Aid drinkers out there that believe this might happen. Calm down and don't operate a vehicle when you're hopped up on that stuff because it's got to be strong. (Sorry Joel)

Now we're getting into what I would call the 'more likely territory'. Considering I am not someone who follows college football as closely as others I brought in SB Nation's draft expert Dan Kadar (@MockingTheDraft) to help break down the top three quarterbacks in the 2013 draft as we sit here today. Here's what he had to say about each of these quarterbacks.

#3 Tyler Wilson - 6'3 - 220lbs - Arkansas




Strengths: The first thing that should be note about Wilson is his toughness. He's the kind of quarterback who will play through an injury. He stands tall in the pocket when there's pressure surrounding him. Possesses a strong arm. Looks to have good pocket presence to feel blind side pressure.


Weaknesses: Wilson's toughness is admirable, but it can get him in trouble. He seems to always have a small injury. Sometimes he needs to just get rid of the ball instead of staying in the pocket, throwing and being hit hard. Will sometimes put the ball in bad spots. Likes to move around in the pocket, but it leads to him throwing off balance a lot. Doesn't put a lot of touch on short throws. Full-time starter for just two seasons.



#4 Matt Barkley - 6'2 - 230lbs - USC





Strengths: By in large, Barkley is an excellent intangibles quarterback. He's often credited for his leadership. He stuck around at a previously sanctioned USC when he could have been a first-round pick this year. His numbers aren't at last season's pace, but he's still having a good year and completing almost 66 percent of his throws. He's coming out of a pro-style offense that would make him well-suited for a West Coast scheme. He's a four-year starter. I have him so highly rated because he gets excellent ball placement. He really improved there this season compared to last. He can work the whole field.


Weaknesses: Size has always been a key issue with Barkley. He's listed at 6-foot-2, but most expect him to officially measure shorter. There are also issues with his arm strength, though that may be more of a product of the USC scheme. But most of Barkley's throws are 15 yards or less, with his wide receivers getting a lot of yards after catch. He also benefits from having maybe the best wide receiver group in the nation.



#5 - Geno Smith - 6'3 - 214 lbs - West Virginia





Strengths: Smith is completing an extremely high percentage of his passes this season because he figured out how to hit deep out passes. His precision on those throws has been impressive. He's said he doesn't like to use it, but Smith is a good athlete to elude pressure. He has the arm strength to hit everywhere on the field. Seems to always hit receivers in stride so they can make a play after the catch.



Weaknesses: Evaluators will have to determine how much the fast-paced offense is benefiting Smith and whether or not it will translate to the NFL. The Patriots have taken some of the WVU principles and used them in their two-minute offense, so maybe it can work well in the pros. Until Brandon Weeden, most quarterbacks from the Dana Holgorsen scheme haven't translated well, and it's even early to be optimistic about Weeden. Plays in a shotgun, so there will be questions about his footwork on drop backs. Doesn't have to go through a lot of route reads. Smith has a slight frame as well, so he may not have the body like Barkley to take hits.

Dan summed up his thoughts on the three quarterbacks.




Right now, I have Barkley and Smith as first-round picks.Wilson probably late second. Obviously that's a fluid thing and will be throughout the season and during the Senior Bowl process. None of these players is an Andrew Luck. Barkley and Smith are probably closer to Sam Bradford Ė possibly a very good player but with questions. Wilson may need more development time to get rid of his bad tendencies.



Although all of these players still have question marks the good news is that each of them still have big games ahead of them this season. Matt Barkley still has to play Oregon and Notre Dame, Tyler Wilson has South Carolina, Mississippi State and LSU left to play, and Geno Smith still has a huge game against Oklahoma. Those games will tell us a lot about how these guys will separate themselves.


What do you say AP?

Mr_Tomahawk
10-24-2012, 12:01 PM
Wilson Please.

Chief Roundup
10-24-2012, 12:02 PM
I think you are nuts if you think Wilson will make it out of the early part of the 1st let alone to a late 2cd rounder. Wilson is far better than Tannehill, Weeden, Locker, or Ponder.

Wilson is the QB that I figure we will end up with.

Jive Ass
10-24-2012, 12:04 PM
Wilson is a pretty strong likelihood, it seems. Not sure who I'd take in the battle of Barkley vs. Smith. I'd like to have a QB who can actually hit a deep pass and Smith is the obvious choice, there. Barkley, however, seems more consistent (though I'm glad his receiver core is noted as being on the of the best, because this is a huge factor).

We'll see.

ILChief
10-24-2012, 12:05 PM
Wilson a late second rounder?

Bump
10-24-2012, 12:05 PM
I'll JIMP with either one of them. My first choice has to be Barkley at the moment.

Woodchuck
10-24-2012, 12:06 PM
Right now, I think Wilson will be the #1 pick in the draft. I like him the best and I don't think we'll get him.

I think our 2013 opening day starter will be someone who is playing for another NFL team right now. Probably a back up.

That said, we'll draft a QB. Maybe not in the first but we will draft one.

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 12:07 PM
Mike Tomzack

Sorter
10-24-2012, 12:08 PM
Jim Zorn.

suds79
10-24-2012, 12:08 PM
At this point I think it's a toss up between Geno & Barkley if we lose. Draft 2 or higher.

If we F it up and win some meaningless games down the stretch, I think we'll take Wilson.

Personally at this point I'd rather have Wilson over Barkley as I think Matt's skills are average but I'll take any one of the three.

Deberg_1990
10-24-2012, 12:09 PM
A hidden gem in the 5th round from Wyoming Tech

Signed, Pioli

Bewbies
10-24-2012, 12:11 PM
Wilson Please.

Please go punch yourself in the face.

Bewbies
10-24-2012, 12:12 PM
Right now, I think Wilson will be the #1 pick in the draft. I like him the best and I don't think we'll get him.


said no one, ever.

Munson
10-24-2012, 12:13 PM
Geno

/thread

Mr_Tomahawk
10-24-2012, 12:13 PM
I think you are nuts if you think Wilson will make it out of the early part of the 1st let alone to a late 2cd rounder. Wilson is far better than Tannehill, Weeden, Locker, or Ponder.

Wilson is the QB that I figure we will end up with.

Yup. His stock will continue to rise as the season progresses.

I see Geno Smiths stock dropping slightly as i see WV losing a couple more games exposing geno.

I think matts stock remains stagnant.

SNR
10-24-2012, 12:14 PM
I've come up with a list of possible outcomes for writing a stupid article containing obvious information:

1. People call me stupid

2. Dumbasses think I'm brilliant

3. I'll get to post the article on Arrowhead Pride

4. All of the above

Woodchuck
10-24-2012, 12:15 PM
I've come up with a list of possible outcomes for writing a stupid article containing obvious information:

1. People call me stupid

2. Dumbasses think I'm brilliant

3. I'll get to post the article on Arrowhead Pride

4. All of the above

You finally figured it out. I didn't know you wrote for Arrowhead Pride??? ROFL

Sorter
10-24-2012, 12:16 PM
LMAOLMAOLMAO repI've come up with a list of possible outcomes for writing a stupid article containing obvious information:

1. People call me stupid

2. Dumbasses think I'm brilliant

3. I'll get to post the article on Arrowhead Pride

4. All of the above

SNR
10-24-2012, 12:16 PM
What will happen to the Chiefs in Sunday's game against Oakland?

Here are three of the possibilities:

1. They win

2. They lose

3. They tie

King_Chief_Fan
10-24-2012, 12:17 PM
The bench warmer behind Barkley

the Talking Can
10-24-2012, 12:17 PM
just give me one

KC_Lee
10-24-2012, 12:17 PM
What will happen to the Chiefs in Sunday's game against Oakland?

Here are three of the possibilities:

1. They win

2. They lose

3. They tie

That's some powerful insight there...

SNR
10-24-2012, 12:18 PM
Why is BlackBob so fucking stupid?

Possible answers:

1. Childhood problems

2. Eats paint chips

3. Who cares?

BourbonMan
10-24-2012, 12:36 PM
Do a trade with the Patriots and bring in Ryan Mallett.

whoman69
10-24-2012, 12:39 PM
I will be happy as long as we finally take the step to develop a rookie QB as long as he is not Landry Jones.

whoman69
10-24-2012, 12:40 PM
This is the Chiefs. I truly expect them to pull another QB off the trash heap.

ChiefsCountry
10-24-2012, 12:43 PM
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Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 12:44 PM
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Whosurdaddy
10-24-2012, 12:50 PM
Do a trade with the Patriots and bring in Ryan Mallett.

This place would go up in flames if we traded for another backup Patriots quarterback, but I think Mallett a better pure passer than Wilson. Wilson's arm has been a bit overrated in my opinion. His deepball isn't as strong as some people have claimed. The dude's biggest strengths are that he commands the huddle real well, hes smart, and can make accurate throws in congested areas or rolling out of the pocket...and he's tough.

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 12:50 PM
A hidden gem in the 5th round from Wyoming Tech

Signed, Pioli

Jordan Rodgers.

Captain, smart school, SEC, Aaron's little brother.

It's in the bag.

Saul Good
10-24-2012, 12:51 PM
Chiefs trade their number one pick and swap second rounders with Carolina for Cam Newton.

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 12:52 PM
Chiefs trade their number one pick and swap second rounders with Carolina for Cam Newton.

I'd trade our first to Miami for Tannehill if we couldn't get Smith.

I think he'll be better than Wilson and Barkley.

Mr. Arrowhead
10-24-2012, 12:56 PM
I dont want barkley because USC qbs suck /dumb chiefs fans

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 01:01 PM
I dont want barkley because USC qbs suck /dumb chiefs fans

Barkley's going to be awesome because he looked great at USC /dumb Barkley backers

There are ample reasons to dislike Barkley and most of them have nothing to do with his choice of schools. Besides, there really aren't any "QBUs" out there - you could insert essentially any major college in your sentence and it would be largely accurate.

USC is no better or worse than OU, 'Bama, Penn State, Ohio State or any of the other 'powerhouse programs' over the last couple of decades. Very few QBs from any of those schools, even the most highly touted ones, have amounted to much.

For every Manning, there's a Shuler. For every Brady there's a Henne. Hell, if anything, USC does much better than most.

No, I think you're knocking down a straw men here - the people that don't like Barkley don't like him because he's short and has a barely adequate NFL arm.

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 01:02 PM
I dont want barkley because USC qbs suck /dumb chiefs fans


Barkley is a Cassel clone.

Mr. Arrowhead
10-24-2012, 01:03 PM
Barkley is a Cassel clone.

Cassel started at USC for 4 years?

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-24-2012, 01:04 PM
Matt Barkley

Iconic
10-24-2012, 01:05 PM
Anyone but Barkley please. He has a lot of Cassel-esque flaws like poor arm strength, staring receivers down, and at times 'happy feet'. I'm rooting for Geno TBH.

suds79
10-24-2012, 01:07 PM
Wilson's arm has been a bit overrated in my opinion. His deepball isn't as strong as some people have claimed.

That's interesting. Tyler Wilson in my book isn't up there yet with Geno (my 1st choice) but of the 3, if I'm being honest, I think he has the biggest arm.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8329628 I mean watch the zip on some of these throws.

Next to Tyler Bray, who isn't NFL ready, I don't know if I've see another guy with the cannon as big as Wilsons.

Just speaking purely on arm strength.

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 01:10 PM
Cassel started at USC for 4 years?

I'm kidding but people on here have literally made that argument.

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 01:13 PM
Anyone but Barkley please. He has a lot of Cassel-esque flaws like poor arm strength, staring receivers down, and at times 'happy feet'. I'm rooting for Geno TBH.

Fuck...you and Billay are making me look like a dick here.

Barkley is most assuredly not Cassel. No, he doesn't stare WRs down. In fact, I've noticed that he generally goes through his progressions quite well. The only thing that gives that appearance is that his #1 read is usually open.

And c'mon, everyone gets happy feet at times. Barkley's actually appeared to be a little above average in that regard. He's certainly not Blaine Gabbert or Matt Cassel. He'll stand in to take a hit and deliver the ball.

His arm strength is no better than average, but it's an easier arm strength than Cassel's. He doesn't require the long wind-up that Cassel does to generate his average arm strength. His release is generally quick enough and repeatable enough that he can be accurate on intermediate balls and tolerable on deep(ish) passes.

He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Matt Schaub. He's a good, not great, QB prospect.

Matt Barkley is not Matt Cassel.

And if you find yourself in bed with Billay, you should really reconsider your position.

Woodchuck
10-24-2012, 01:15 PM
The USC QB thing makes me superstitious but, Lane Kiffen had his hands all over this kid and that is a bad thing. Barkley is 3rd on the list for me. Lane Kiffen just fucks things up.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-24-2012, 01:19 PM
Smith or Death.

htismaqe
10-24-2012, 01:23 PM
the people that don't like Barkley don't like him because he's short and has a barely adequate NFL arm.

Bingo.

Pitt Gorilla
10-24-2012, 01:25 PM
RGIII!

(Still living in denial)

suds79
10-24-2012, 01:29 PM
people that don't like Barkley don't like him because he's short and has a barely adequate NFL arm.

Yep. That's why he's 3rd on my list. Not exactly a guy you have to guard the whole field against.

Woodchuck
10-24-2012, 01:31 PM
Smith or Death.

That's the feeling I get from SNR too. I think he made a comment like it would be a great QB class if it weren't for Barkley and Wilson or something like that. Has the thought crossed you mind that we probably won't get him?

How much do you follow the draft? How many guys do you pick right in your mock? Even the best guys at mock drafts around here? How many do they get? How about Mayock and Kiper? How do they do?

Chances are we won't get Smith. You guys need to start finding things to like about all three QBs and hope we get one of them.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-24-2012, 01:35 PM
That's the feeling I get from SNR too. I think he made a comment like it would be a great QB class if it weren't for Barkley and Wilson or something like that. Has the thought crossed you mind that we probably won't get him?

How much do you follow the draft? How many guys do you pick right in your mock? Even the best guys at mock drafts around here? How many do they get? How about Mayock and Kiper? How do they do?

Chances are we won't get Smith. You guys need to start finding things to like about all three QBs and hope we get one of them.

Of COURSE we won't get Smith. This is the fucking Chiefs, and OF COURSE I have learned to deal with both disappointment and a bunch of jackasses who over the years have shown that they don't know thier dicks from a stick.

But until then, I can and will dream that MAYBE, just MAYBE we might do something RIGHT for a fucking change.

Chiefnj2
10-24-2012, 01:36 PM
Food for thought (yes I know surrounding talent isn't the same) against Texas Tech and K State:

Geno 57.4% 209 yard/avg 4.8 y/a and 2TD to 2 INT

Jones 63.8%, 281.5 yards/avg 6.78 y/a and 3 TD to 1 INT

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 01:36 PM
****...you and Billay are making me look like a dick here.

Barkley is most assuredly not Cassel. No, he doesn't stare WRs down. In fact, I've noticed that he generally goes through his progressions quite well. The only thing that gives that appearance is that his #1 read is usually open.

And c'mon, everyone gets happy feet at times. Barkley's actually appeared to be a little above average in that regard. He's certainly not Blaine Gabbert or Matt Cassel. He'll stand in to take a hit and deliver the ball.

His arm strength is no better than average, but it's an easier arm strength than Cassel's. He doesn't require the long wind-up that Cassel does to generate his average arm strength. His release is generally quick enough and repeatable enough that he can be accurate on intermediate balls and tolerable on deep(ish) passes.

He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Matt Schaub. He's a good, not great, QB prospect.

Matt Barkley is not Matt Cassel.

And if you find yourself in bed with Billay, you should really reconsider your position.

First of all fuck you. You might write long paragraphs but you are just as wrong on things as I am.

Second of all as I already stated I was kidding.

Third I started the Blow4Barkley thread

Fourth Go fuck yourself

Detoxing
10-24-2012, 01:40 PM
If i had to pick one, I'd take Tyler Wilson.

I think Geno Smith has the highest bust factor. The more i watch him, the more i think he's fools gold.

Lots of short passes going for big gainers, he holds onto the ball waaaay too long...He has tons of upside, throws a great ball, good arm strength...but I've seen Tyler Wilson do things that he'll have to do in the NFL that i haven't seen Geno Smith do.

Detoxing
10-24-2012, 01:42 PM
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Sweet Daddy Hate
10-24-2012, 01:44 PM
If i had to pick one, I'd take Tyler Wilson.

I think Geno Smith has the highest bust factor. The more i watch him, the more i think he's fools gold.

Lots of short passes going for big gainers, he holds onto the ball waaaay too long...He has tons of upside, throws a great ball, good arm strength...but I've seen Tyler Wilson do things that he'll have to do in the NFL that i haven't seen Geno Smith do.

Goddamnit Detoxing, when did the Full Retard set in? You were not like this once...

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 01:47 PM
First of all fuck you. You might write long paragraphs but you are just as wrong on things as I am.

Second of all as I already stated I was kidding.

Third I started the Blow4Barkley thread

Fourth Go fuck yourself

Well you hadn't confessed your sins before I started typing.

Moreover, I'm not just as wrong on things as you are. I'm generally right. You aren't. For instance, your assertion that I wrote long paragraphs - those paragraphs are 4, 4 and 3 sentences long and likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 words.

At worst, they are normal length paragraphs.

Some of us have found ways to express ourselves as adults and expound upon our thoughts. This often involves using complete sentences, punctuation, and yes - the Enter key.

You can't even be a useful smartass.

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 01:49 PM
Well you hadn't confessed your sins before I started typing.

Moreover, I'm not just as wrong on things as you are. I'm generally right. You aren't. For instance, your assertion that I wrote long paragraphs - those paragraphs are 4, 4 and 3 sentences long and likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 words.

At worst, they are normal length paragraphs.

Some of us have found ways to express ourselves as adults and expound upon our thoughts. This often involves using complete sentences, punctuation, and yes - the Enter key.

You can't even be a useful smartass.

I was referring to football takes.


Type away sweetheart.

Iconic
10-24-2012, 01:52 PM
****...you and Billay are making me look like a dick here.

Barkley is most assuredly not Cassel. No, he doesn't stare WRs down. In fact, I've noticed that he generally goes through his progressions quite well. The only thing that gives that appearance is that his #1 read is usually open.

And c'mon, everyone gets happy feet at times. Barkley's actually appeared to be a little above average in that regard. He's certainly not Blaine Gabbert or Matt Cassel. He'll stand in to take a hit and deliver the ball.

His arm strength is no better than average, but it's an easier arm strength than Cassel's. He doesn't require the long wind-up that Cassel does to generate his average arm strength. His release is generally quick enough and repeatable enough that he can be accurate on intermediate balls and tolerable on deep(ish) passes.

He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Matt Schaub. He's a good, not great, QB prospect.

Matt Barkley is not Matt Cassel.

And if you find yourself in bed with Billay, you should really reconsider your position.


I'm not saying Barkley is Cassel; just his flaws are VERY similar to Cassels.

I have absolutely no idea how you can say Barkley goes through his progressions. His first read is open around 75%, so he rarely ever goes through it in the first place and when he does, he completely falls apart. He forces throws even when the first read is blanketed ( much like Cassel) and if the route takes time to develop he either mistimes his throw or starts having a ****ing staring contest with his number 1 and the defender. Let's not forget how spoiled Barkley is with an awesome O-line/wide receiving core- something I doubt he will have if he's drafted as high as everyone thinks he will be.

The thing is Barkley's relies heavily on his pre-snap reads, which are usually brilliant, but, if his first read isn’t open, he begins to worry about the blitz. He hops around the pocket like a frog. If he ever feels he has held the ball too long he’ll throw off his back foot, that remind you of someone? He doesn't really excel in the fourth quarter either, which is where most of his rushed throws come from.

I can agree with you on arm strength but I'm tired of a guy with just a 'tolerable deep ball'. I want a Geno Smith deep ball.:harumph:

... And comparing Barkley to Schaub? I feel like you're really discrediting Schaub. Barkley is more of a Blaine Gabbert.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-24-2012, 01:55 PM
I'm not saying Barkley is Cassel; just his flaws are VERY similar to Cassels.

I have absolutely no idea how you can say Barkley goes through his progressions. His first read is open around 75%, so he rarely ever goes through it in the first place and when he does, he completely falls apart. He forces throws even when the first read is blanketed ( much like Cassel) and if the route takes time to develop he either mistimes his throw or starts having a ****ing staring contest with his number 1 and the defender. Let's not forget how spoiled Barkley is with an awesome O-line/wide receiving core- something I doubt he will have if he's drafted as high as everyone thinks he will be.

The thing is Barkley's relies heavily on his pre-snap reads, which are usually brilliant, but, if his first read isnít open, he begins to worry about the blitz. He hops around the pocket like a frog. If he ever feels he has held the ball too long heíll throw off his back foot, that remind you of someone? He doesn't really excel in the fourth quarter either, which is where most of his rushed throws come from.

I can agree with you on arm strength but I'm tired of a guy with just a 'tolerable deep ball'. I want a Geno Smith deep ball.:harumph:

... And comparing Barkley to Schaub? I feel like you're really discrediting Schaub. Barkley is more of a Blaine Gabbert.

Goin' Balls Deep with Smith in 2013!@

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 01:56 PM
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I'd take any of those guys but Wilson is the guy I question the most.

SNR
10-24-2012, 01:58 PM
I don't like Barkley because the dude's already balding like a motherfucker at what? Age 22? By the time he starts a game in the NFL he'll be more bald than Patrick fucking Stewart.

Detoxing
10-24-2012, 01:58 PM
Goddamnit Detoxing, when did the Full Retard set in? You were not like this once...

Meh.

I think Geno Smith has more talent and throws a better ball. I think Geno has a much higher ceiling.

But I think Geno also has more obstacles to over come when entering the NFL.

3rd&48ers
10-24-2012, 02:00 PM
Kansas City has selected just one quarterback in the first 100 picks since 1992, when Matt Blundin - Remember him? Didn't think so - was the Chiefs' second-round choice.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chiefs-rough-history-starting-quarterbacks-183746165--nfl.html

SNR
10-24-2012, 02:00 PM
Food for thought (yes I know surrounding talent isn't the same) against Texas Tech and K State:

Geno 57.4% 209 yard/avg 4.8 y/a and 2TD to 2 INT

Jones 63.8%, 281.5 yards/avg 6.78 y/a and 3 TD to 1 INT
I know you're a pretty good football poster, but Jesus Christ. In your attempts to keep the debate honest and interesting, you sometimes say shit that goes full BlackBob

Iconic
10-24-2012, 02:01 PM
Goin' Balls Deep with Smith in 2013!@

I see what you did there.LMAO
But it's only because Barkley doesn't have any.

SNR
10-24-2012, 02:01 PM
Kansas City has selected just one quarterback in the first 100 picks since 1992, when Matt Blundin - Remember him? Didn't think so - was the Chiefs' second-round choice.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chiefs-rough-history-starting-quarterbacks-183746165--nfl.html
What's that guy talking about? Of course I remember him. I asked my folks to get me a Blundin jersey for my birthday that year. I didn't get one :(

Chiefnj2
10-24-2012, 02:02 PM
I know you're a pretty good football poster, but Jesus Christ. In your attempts to keep the debate honest and interesting, you sometimes say shit that goes full BlackBob

You've gone full deep throat on Smith for weeks. You've been claiming he's better than RGIII. He isn't. When people said wait until the tough stretch of his schedule to evaluate him, you and others said he's played tons of good teams over 3 years and has proven himself. Well, he hasn't - yet.

The point of my post was that Landry Jones, as flawed as he is, was able to play better than Smith against two good teams this year.

SNR
10-24-2012, 02:10 PM
You've gone full deep throat on Smith for weeks. You've been claiming he's better than RGIII. He isn't. When people said wait until the tough stretch of his schedule to evaluate him, you and others said he's played tons of good teams over 3 years and has proven himself. Well, he hasn't - yet.

The point of my post was that Landry Jones, as flawed as he is, was able to play better than Smith against two good teams this year.

1. I never said he was better than RGIII. I said he had a better arm than RGIII, but lacked the same athleticism.

2. The rest of your post doesn't matter. You included this cute little disclaimer when you posted those stats:

(yes I know surrounding talent isn't the same)

The surrounding talent isn't the same AMONG OTHER THINGS which I've repeated endlessly since the KState game.

So if you know the comparison is apples and oranges, why fucking bring it up at all?

It's not like I'm doing nothing but talk about Geno Smith on this forum. I keep all my discussion to my own thread unless he comes up in another thread about drafted QBs. I know you're sick of me and others deep throating him, but back off.

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 02:11 PM
I know you're a pretty good football poster, but Jesus Christ. In your attempts to keep the debate honest and interesting, you sometimes say shit that goes full BlackBob

Never go full BlackBob.

Chiefnj2
10-24-2012, 02:18 PM
1. I never said he was better than RGIII. I said he had a better arm than RGIII, but lacked the same athleticism.

2. The rest of your post doesn't matter. You included this cute little disclaimer when you posted those stats:



The surrounding talent isn't the same AMONG OTHER THINGS which I've repeated endlessly since the KState game.

So if you know the comparison is apples and oranges, why ****ing bring it up at all?

It's not like I'm doing nothing but talk about Geno Smith on this forum. I keep all my discussion to my own thread unless he comes up in another thread about drafted QBs. I know you're sick of me and others deep throating him, but back off.

Comparing QB's against common opponents is a common way people attempt to evaluate players and discuss them. In fact, you and others have used Smith's performance in 2011 against LSU to show how good he is. People have argued he played better against LSU than almost all other QB's.

He's a good prospect. I don't see why people become so sensitive when someone questions a draft prospect.

mdchiefsfan
10-24-2012, 02:23 PM
That's interesting. Tyler Wilson in my book isn't up there yet with Geno (my 1st choice) but of the 3, if I'm being honest, I think he has the biggest arm.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8329628 I mean watch the zip on some of these throws.

Next to Tyler Bray, who isn't NFL ready, I don't know if I've see another guy with the cannon as big as Wilsons.

Just speaking purely on arm strength.

Good lord thats a fast release

htismaqe
10-24-2012, 02:28 PM
My only question about Wilson is his leadership. The history of Petrino QBs isn't great...

SNR
10-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Comparing QB's against common opponents is a common way people attempt to evaluate players and discuss them. In fact, you and others have used Smith's performance in 2011 against LSU to show how good he is. People have argued he played better against LSU than almost all other QB's.

He's a good prospect. I don't see why people become so sensitive when someone questions a draft prospect.

The Talking Can brought up Ben Roethlisberger for Miami, OH who didn't just struggle, but flat out SUCKED whenever he played teams from outside his little piddleshit conference. Threw 4 INTs against Iowa his senior year and his team got blown out.

Well, gee... Big 10 QBs Jeff Smoker and Jim Sorgi (or whoever the hell you want to use) had far better games against Iowa... even THEY were able to at least find some respectability against those tough ol' Hawkeyes.

You and I both agree that Landry Jones is dogshit. He may as well be Jeff Smoker or Jim Sorgi.

You can't just acknowledge a pretty significant smudge on your data analysis and then still not factor it into your conclusion. Your little "food for thought" was cute and all, but I think even Geno's detractors will agree that it's worthless.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-24-2012, 02:29 PM
My only question about Wilson is his leadership. The history of Petrino QBs isn't great...

Blah blah blah history of WV qb blah blah pat white blah blah

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 02:35 PM
Blah blah blah history of WV qb blah blah pat white blah blah

So the history of quarterbacks that played in a collegiate program under that has employed numerous coaches in its history is analogous to the history of quarterbacks that were taught by a particular coach under a particular scheme how again?

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 02:37 PM
P.S. I'll feed you the proper answer here - two words: Jeff Tedford.

After Dilfer, Carr, Smith, Harrington and Boller, teams were a little wary of taking the next big Tedford pupil. Unfortunately for them, Aaron Rodgers was not Dilfer, Carr, Smith, Harrington or Boller.

Use that next time. It's a much better point than the one you made.

CoMoChief
10-24-2012, 02:37 PM
Good thing we finally have a thread that's addressing this issue!!!

Flachief58
10-24-2012, 02:38 PM
Do a trade with the Patriots and bring in Ryan Mallett.

You just go fuck off & die

DeezNutz
10-24-2012, 02:46 PM
Jones is not even close to being as bad of a prospect as he'd made out to be on this board.

DJ's left nut
10-24-2012, 02:51 PM
Jones is not even close to being as bad of a prospect as he'd made out to be on this board.

Kyle Boller.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-24-2012, 02:53 PM
Meh.

I think Geno Smith has more talent and throws a better ball. I think Geno has a much higher ceiling.

But I think Geno also has more obstacles to over come when entering the NFL.

Fair enough. No retard.

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2012, 02:55 PM
Jones is not even close to being as bad of a prospect as he'd made out to be on this board.

The guy is inconsistent and hasn't gotten much better since his Soph. year. Even OU fans hate him. I would take him in the 3rd or 4th round to be the Kirk Cousins to our Geno Smith/Matt Barkley.

SNR
10-24-2012, 02:56 PM
Jones is not even close to being as bad of a prospect as he'd made out to be on this board.

If you are a team without a franchise QB and he's the best guy available, you take him.

That's as far as I'll go with him. I would definitely consider drafting him with a 3rd if I were a team like San Francisco, Houston, or New Orleans. But for us, we don't need any more Jones or Stanzis or Cousins or Assweilers or Foles. No more mid-round QB prospects. Draft the REAL thing, then you can adjust your bench as needed.

O.city
10-24-2012, 03:02 PM
I would be fine taking geno or Barkley in the first and bray or jones in the third if they were around

RustShack
10-24-2012, 03:07 PM
Does anyone remember what the Bill Parcells guideline to drafting a QB was? I'm guessing that Barkley fits that mold the best and thats who Pioli will want.

I personally prefer Geno though. I also think we enter next season with Brady Quinn as the starter, but we will have a first round QB waiting behind him and likely starting over Quinn by the end of the year.

EDIT- Found it

His rules are as follows:

1. The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
2. He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
3. He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
4. He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.

splatbass
10-24-2012, 03:33 PM
Jim Zorn.

I'm pretty sure he is still the best QB currently working for the Chiefs.....:D

saphojunkie
10-24-2012, 03:35 PM
Does anyone remember what the Bill Parcells guideline to drafting a QB was? I'm guessing that Barkley fits that mold the best and thats who Pioli will want.

I personally prefer Geno though. I also think we enter next season with Brady Quinn as the starter, but we will have a first round QB waiting behind him and likely starting over Quinn by the end of the year.

EDIT- Found it

His rules are as follows:

1. The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback No Aaron Rodgers
2. He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously. No Andrew Luck
3. He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time. No Tom Brady
4. He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win. No Kurt Warner

I just realized! Brady Quinn fits all of these criteria! Hooray!

B_Ambuehl
10-24-2012, 04:04 PM
Stay away from the white statues. In this day and age you need a mobile QB.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-24-2012, 04:57 PM
Stay away from the white statues. In this day and age you need a mobile QB.

Mannings?

Sorter
10-24-2012, 05:37 PM
Stay away from the white statues. In this day and age you need a mobile QB.

So black statues are fine? Hispanic?

Chief Roundup
10-24-2012, 06:04 PM
I just realized! Brady Quinn fits all of these criteria! Hooray!

Andrew Luck did graduate.