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htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:19 AM
Basically saying again that the Chiefs should draft a 1st-round QB even though though history says it won't work.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:23 AM
29 QBs have won a Super Bowl.

13 QBs won it with the team that drafted them. He's not counting Elway or Eli Manning.

KC_Lee
10-25-2012, 09:24 AM
29 QBs have won a Super Bowl.

13 QBs won it with the team that drafted them. He's not counting Elway or Eli Manning.

He's not counting them? Why?

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:26 AM
He's not counting them? Why?

Because they won their Super Bowls with a team other than the one that drafted them.

To be fair, he went on to say that the Broncos and Giants deserve major credit for being bold enough to make those trades.

thebrad84
10-25-2012, 09:26 AM
He's not counting them? Why?

Probably because both were drafted by other teams and then traded?

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:27 AM
8 of the 29 Super Bowl winning QBs were taken with the 1st overall pick.

Fried Meat Ball!
10-25-2012, 09:27 AM
He's not counting them? Why?

Because they were drafted and immediately traded to another team. They played their rookie seasons for the team they won the SB with.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2012, 09:27 AM
Basically saying again that the Chiefs should draft a 1st-round QB even though though history says it won't work.

He's right.

Look, the odds are pretty decent that the guy we draft doesn't take us to a championship. In fact, there's a good chance that the guy we draft never amounts to more than an average QB.

Who gives a shit?

That's backwards thinking. You don't win games by 'winning' drafts or by having the least busted draft picks.

You have to have a decent quarterback to win in this league - you just do. So regardless of the fact that your attempts at getting one will likely end in failure with some frequency, you still have to try to get one.

And if it doesn't work - you try again.

You don't build a team around what's easy to acquire.

KC_Lee
10-25-2012, 09:28 AM
Because they won their Super Bowls with a team other than the one that drafted them.

To be fair, he went on to say that the Broncos and Giants deserve major credit for being bold enough to make those trades.

Ok, I guess technically he is correct but they were still 1st round QBs.

There is another layer here too; look at the number of 1st round QBs that took thier team to a SB, Jim Kelly for example.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 09:29 AM
Basically saying again that the Chiefs should draft a 1st-round QB even though though history says it won't work.

Useless fucking douche. Can not stand Pisshole.

KC Tattoo
10-25-2012, 09:31 AM
What's the history of the Chiefs for not drafting one in the last 29 years ?!?!?!? Hmmmmm :hmmm:

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 09:32 AM
he's clueless about building teams...hopelessly so

KILLER_CLOWN
10-25-2012, 09:32 AM
Because they won their Super Bowls with a team other than the one that drafted them.

To be fair, he went on to say that the Broncos and Giants deserve major credit for being bold enough to make those trades.

How is that Bold? They were like the best QB prospects ever, a blind monkey could have made those deals.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-25-2012, 09:33 AM
What's the history of the Chiefs for not drafting one in the last 29 years ?!?!?!? Hmmmmm :hmmm:

All Playoff games won were by HOF'er Joe Montana? I could be wrong.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:33 AM
Well, he just went in an unexpected direction.

He's now suggesting the Chiefs should do whatever it takes to trade into the 1st overall pick.

Talked about whether the Dolphins would rather have Matt Ryan or Jake Long. Saying Pioli should have to spend a full day every spring informing Clark about all of the QBs in the upcoming draft.

And then he's saying they should go get their guy and trade whatever it takes to get him.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 09:33 AM
he's clueless about building teams...hopelessly so

And he feeds dumbass True Fans their daily manna. I would really love to cock-punch him with a mule.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 09:34 AM
Well, he just went in an unexpected direction.

He's now suggesting the Chiefs should do whatever it takes to trade into the 1st overall pick.

Talked about whether the Dolphins would rather have Matt Ryan or Jake Long. Saying Pioli should have to spend a full day every spring informing Clark about all of the QBs in the upcoming draft.

And then he's saying they should go get their guy and trade whatever it takes to get him.

Schizo shithead.

Deberg_1990
10-25-2012, 09:34 AM
There is another layer here too; look at the number of 1st round QBs that took thier team to a SB, Jim Kelly for example.

Yes this.....Include all the 1st round Qbs who lost a Super Bowl as well. Marino, Elway, Kelly, P. Manning, etc....

At least they had a sustained history of success.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:35 AM
How is that Bold? They were like the best QB prospects ever, a blind monkey could have made those deals.

They traded away quite a bit to get them. Some people thought Rivers was actually the better prospect.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-25-2012, 09:36 AM
They traded away quite a bit to get them. Some people thought Rivers was actually the better prospect.

You have to admit the hype around both of them seemed to make them can't miss.

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 09:36 AM
we've spent 30 years doing it every way BUT drafting a first round QB and have NOTHING to show for it...

people who whine and cry about "oh, it might not work!" are fucking idiots beyond salvation...

saying 'it might not work' is saying nothing at all..it's saying 'duh'...

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:37 AM
You have to admit the hype around both of them seemed to make them can't miss.

Well at least one of them was. ;)

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 09:39 AM
Yes this.....Include all the 1st round Qbs who lost a Super Bowl as well. Marino, Elway, Kelly, P. Manning, etc....

At least they had a sustained history of success.

Oh man, had we drafted Marino...

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:39 AM
we've spent 30 years doing it every way BUT drafting a first round QB and have NOTHING to show for it...

people who whine and cry about "oh, it might not work!" are ****ing idiots beyond salvation...

saying 'it might not work' is saying nothing at all..it's saying 'duh'...

The thing is, Petro isn't saying it might not work.

He's saying it WON'T work. Kind of like saying you're NOT going to win the lottery.

At the same time, he's also not saying "don't do it".

He's saying they should do it. And he's saying they should trade away players/picks if they have to.

Petro is a trends/stats/context guy. I applaud him for it. He doesn't just throw stuff out there, he does his research.

But in this case it makes him look like he has multiple personality disorder.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:39 AM
Oh man, had we drafted Marino...

No thanks.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 09:41 AM
No thanks.

The 90's would have been fucking EPIC with Marino.

Deberg_1990
10-25-2012, 09:41 AM
we've spent 30 years doing it every way BUT drafting a first round QB and have NOTHING to show for it...

people who whine and cry about "oh, it might not work!" are ****ing idiots beyond salvation...

saying 'it might not work' is saying nothing at all..it's saying 'duh'...


"We might doom this franchise for years!!!"


Says the fan of the team who is 28-59 since 2007....

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:42 AM
The 90's would have been ****ing EPIC with Marino.

The 90s likely wouldn't have happened with Marino. We would have never been in a position to draft Smith and Thomas, among others.

We would have ended up looking just like the Dolphins.

There's a reason Marino never won it all.

L.A. Chieffan
10-25-2012, 09:43 AM
We should probably go with Teo, that guy is a Ray Lewis franchise changing guy

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:43 AM
We should probably go with Teo, that guy is a Ray Lewis franchise changing guy

ROFL

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 09:44 AM
The thing is, Petro isn't saying it might not work.

He's saying it WON'T work. Kind of like saying you're NOT going to win the lottery.

At the same time, he's also not saying "don't do it".

He's saying they should do it. And he's saying they should trade away players/picks if they have to.

Petro is a trends/stats/context guy. I applaud him for it. He doesn't just throw stuff out there, he does his research.

But in this case it makes him look like he has multiple personality disorder.

he's just a contrarian...he likes to have a 'counter-intuitive' take even when it means missing a fairly obvious point...

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 09:44 AM
The 90s likely wouldn't have happened with Marino. We would have never been in a position to draft Smith and Thomas, among others.

We would have ended up looking just like the Dolphins.

There's a reason Marino never won it all.

Well, the other guy certainly worked out well...:rolleyes:

L.A. Chieffan
10-25-2012, 09:44 AM
ROFL

You dont think we'll have a high enough pick to grab him?

KILLER_CLOWN
10-25-2012, 09:49 AM
I would have happily taken Marino over Blackledge.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:54 AM
he's just a contrarian...he likes to have a 'counter-intuitive' take even when it means missing a fairly obvious point...

That's the thing, he's really NOT missing the point.

He said they should draft a QB. He said they NEED to draft a QB. He said they need to do it in Round 1 and should trade up to 1-1 if they can.

He's just acknowledging that, statistically speaking, we're not going to win a Super Bowl no matter what we do.

Sounds like a Chiefs fan, if you asked me. :(

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 09:55 AM
I would have happily taken Marino over Blackledge.

When you frame it that way, sure.

But Marino certainly isn't the be-all-end-all. With the gift of hindsight, I would have much rather had Jim Kelly than any of the others.

bricks
10-25-2012, 10:01 AM
The 90's would have been ****ing EPIC with Marino.

Imagine how crazy good this team would of been an awesome defense and Dan Marino.

theelusiveeightrop
10-25-2012, 10:02 AM
The gospel according to Petro? Pass. Tool.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 10:06 AM
Imagine how crazy good this team would of been an awesome defense and Dan Marino.

That awesome defense was predicated on Smith and Thomas. We wouldn't have gotten either of those guys if we had Marino.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 10:28 AM
That awesome defense was predicated on Smith and Thomas. We wouldn't have gotten either of those guys if we had Marino.

Dude, that's almost a decade apart in draft classes. I truly don't see your point. Especially if those two were who Carl and Steadman really wanted.

Deberg_1990
10-25-2012, 10:34 AM
Dude, that's almost a decade apart in draft classes. I truly don't see your point. Especially if those two were who Carl and Steadman really wanted.

Hes saying that the Chiefs most likely would have won more games in 87 and 88 with Marino. Thus, they would have been out of the running to draft back to back top 4 picks.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-25-2012, 10:40 AM
I want to neg rep Petro

MahiMike
10-25-2012, 10:40 AM
Gone are the days you had to sell the farm to get a 1st round QB. The risk is now minimal.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 10:43 AM
I want to neg rep Petro

LMAO

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 10:49 AM
Dude, that's almost a decade apart in draft classes. I truly don't see your point. Especially if those two were who Carl and Steadman really wanted.

Those guys were top 4 picks.

Dan Marino's WORST year as a starter was 6-10.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 10:50 AM
Those guys were top 4 picks.

Dan Marino's WORST year as a starter was 6-10.

Position...yeah, whatever.

But if the Chiefs truly wanted them.....

stevenidol
10-25-2012, 10:50 AM
To summarize the entire segment from Petro because the OP jumped to conclusions -

The Chiefs should draft a QB as high as possible, but it's not a cure all for all of their problems. There are plenty of examples where it has failed, and the Chiefs have that possibility as well.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 10:54 AM
To summarize the entire segment from Petro because the OP jumped to conclusions -

The Chiefs should draft a QB as high as possible, but it's not a cure all for all of their problems. There are plenty of examples where it has failed, and the Chiefs have that possibility as well.

Look, here's the dynamic:

We have a defense that when healthy and inspired, can actually get things done.
When you have a complete jackass at QB that is capable of absolutely nothing, when the offense has no fire, leadership, or productivity and can not capitalize on the defense's good work, the whole thing goes down the shitter.

The QB, in this modern league and for the Chiefs needs, is THEE MOST IMPORATNT THING TO BE ADDRESSED.

Period.

bricks
10-25-2012, 10:58 AM
That awesome defense was predicated on Smith and Thomas. We wouldn't have gotten either of those guys if we had Marino.

Good point. Never thought of that.

Even if we had Marino, you don't think Marty and Cowher could of built exceptional defenses without the likes of Smith and Thomas?

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 10:59 AM
Good point. Never thought of that.

Even if we had Marino, you don't think Marty and Cowher could of built exceptional defenses without the likes of Smith and Thomas?

Marty and Cowher? Yes.

Cunther? No.

Rausch
10-25-2012, 11:00 AM
We have been fucking failing for 30+ years! Entire generations have been raised in the suck that has been.

Anyone under 25 has no memory of even a respectable or competitive team.

THERE ARE NO NEW FANS.

The children of KC don't care or even follow the Chiefs. All their years this team has been a horrible joke only shown on national TV when some other team did something impressive.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:01 AM
We have been fucking failing for 30+ years! Entire generations have been raised in the suck that has been.

Anyone under 25 has no memory of even a respectable or competitive team.

THERE ARE NO NEW FANS.

The children of KC don't care or even follow the Chiefs. All their years this team has been a horrible joke only shown on national TV when some other team did something impressive.

It's the 80's all over again.

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 11:04 AM
At this point the law of averages is IN OUR FAVOR.

DRAFT ONE.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 11:07 AM
To summarize the entire segment from Petro because the OP jumped to conclusions -

The Chiefs should draft a QB as high as possible, but it's not a cure all for all of their problems. There are plenty of examples where it has failed, and the Chiefs have that possibility as well.

Actually, I didn't jump to any conclusions. I posted the OP before he FINISHED.

Read the subsequent posts and you'll see that I posted the full breakdown.

okcchief
10-25-2012, 11:07 AM
Who gives a shit what the odds are? We know that NOT drafting one has fucking killed us.

saphojunkie
10-25-2012, 11:07 AM
29 QBs have won a Super Bowl.

13 QBs won it with the team that drafted them. He's not counting Elway or Eli Manning.

This is so retarded.

Durr, Bart Starr went in the 17th round of the draft! (true story) We should follow that plan!

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:08 AM
It's the 80's all over again.

When I was in school in the late 80's, NOBODY wore Chiefs shit. NO ONE.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 11:08 AM
Good point. Never thought of that.

Even if we had Marino, you don't think Marty and Cowher could of built exceptional defenses without the likes of Smith and Thomas?

Probably wouldn't have hired Marty, or Carl for that matter.

Remember, this team got gutted in 1988. That likely wouldn't have happened with Marino at the helm.

Rausch
10-25-2012, 11:08 AM
When I was in school in the late 80's, NOBODY wore Chiefs shit. NO ONE.

Outside of KC no one does now...

bricks
10-25-2012, 11:10 AM
We have been ****ing failing for 30+ years! Entire generations have been raised in the suck that has been.

Anyone under 25 has no memory of even a respectable or competitive team.

THERE ARE NO NEW FANS.

The children of KC don't care or even follow the Chiefs. All their years this team has been a horrible joke only shown on national TV when some other team did something impressive.

You know, it's sad when you see the little amount of success this franchise has had over the years. And also having to go through the embarrassing moments
of constantly watching teams walk on us left, right and center.

I think the children of KC do care but are like a lot of other Chiefs fans where they've developed a sense of apathy towards the team. That's just natural when you experience losing on a consistent basis.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:11 AM
Probably wouldn't have hired Marty, or Carl for that matter.

Remember, this team got gutted in 1988. That likely wouldn't have happened with Marino at the helm.

Aye, now there's a good point.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:13 AM
You know, it's sad when you see the little amount of success this franchise has had over the years. And also having to go through the embarrassing moments
of constantly watching teams walk on us left, right and center.

I think the children of KC do care but are like a lot of other Chiefs fans where they've developed a sense of apathy towards the team. That's just natural when you experience losing on a consistent basis.

It all starts with the QB. It has always been this way, and now it's even more so in today's league.

ChiefMojo
10-25-2012, 11:13 AM
That is true. Up until the last few years you saw people wear Chiefs garb and flying flags all over the State of Kansas... now there are no Chiefs flags and very little Chiefs gear worn period. Sure seeing a lot more Denver wear.

Dayze
10-25-2012, 11:14 AM
I posted this in another thread a while back. since thing, yet another 1st Rounder (Eli) has won 2 more.
Petro needs to look at the last 15 or so years.

==============================================
since 1990, there have been 6 teams that was won a SB with a QB they did not draft:
Ravens (Dilfer), Rams (Warner), Bucs (Johnson), Saints (Brees), Niners (Young), Packers (Favre). So, one 'could' argue they were Firsts. But for this comparison, we won't include them.

of those, Dilfer, Young were 1st Rd picks (Brees was 32 overall; Favre 33rd overall).

the other 14 Super Bowl winners that drafted a QB, only 2 were not 1st Round picks: Brady & Rypien.


So, of the last 20 SB winners, only 6 were not 1st Round picks. (If you argue that Brees and Farve were basically 1sts, then only 4 were not 1st round picks)

Chiefnj2
10-25-2012, 11:14 AM
Can't fail much worse than what has happened the last 20 years.

Chiefnj2
10-25-2012, 11:16 AM
Obviously Petro is just trolling for listeners.

Even if you miss on the QB you aren't worse off than if you don't try. The Jags missed and they have one win, just like the Chiefs. Big deal. Miami, Seattle and the Vikings all gambled a bit and they have better records than KC. The upside is just so much bigger than to try the washed up vet route.

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 11:18 AM
He's just acknowledging that, statistically speaking, we're not going to win a Super Bowl no matter what we do.

Sounds like a Chiefs fan, if you asked me. :(

but that goes without saying...the only reason to even say it is to be obnoxious

Dayze
10-25-2012, 11:19 AM
this was a while a while back. I believe Sac was being sarcastic with his remark. the tone of the thread was to use 1sts on Skill players

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccopoo
That's right. Good teams build around the skill positions. Outside in is the only way to do it. That's how all the top teams did it.

SB teams with 1st Round lineman (as of 2010 when this post was made)

Arizona - 1 OL taken in the 1st since 2000
New Orleans - 1 OL taken in the 1st since (no 1st rounders on SB winning team/offense)
Indy - no OL taken since 2000 (break down since 2000 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 DE, 1 TE, 1 CB)
Pitt - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1996 (Faneca '98 at #26, and Kendall Simmons in '02 at #30)
Giants - no OL taken in 1st 1988
Pats - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1999 (Center '99, and Mankins in 2005 at #32 overall)

Indy's use of their 1sts
Indy
2009 27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
2008 No Pick --
2007 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
2006 30 Joseph Addai RB Louisiana State
2005 29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
2004 No Pick --
2003 24 Dallas Clark TE Iowa
2002 11 Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse
2001 30 Reggie Wayne WR Miami (Fla.)
2000 28 Rob Morris LB Brigham Young
1999 4 Edgerrin James RB Miami (Fla.)
1998 1 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee

AZORChiefFan
10-25-2012, 11:24 AM
Well I'm convinced lets draft another lineman instead.

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 11:26 AM
Basically saying again that the Chiefs should draft a 1st-round QB even though though history says it won't work.

So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping dose of reality.

The whole Superbowl QB argument is a pile of crap anyway. Not to be like Jim Mora but, who the **** is talking Superbowl right now? We just need a guy who can win a playoff game. You want to do something smart?

Run the numbers on playoff winners. Find out what they have in common. Don't even look at the Superbowl BS. You are shooting for the moon.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 11:26 AM
but that goes without saying...the only reason to even say it is to be obnoxious

Or defeatist.

Sometimes I get the impression he's headed for the latter...can you blame him? Some of us here have succumbed to it.

Rausch
10-25-2012, 11:27 AM
Can't fail much worse than what has happened the last 20 years.

This.

Take risks. Go for the QB.

The risk is GREATER trading for some b/u than it is using that pick on a 1st round QB...

Dayze
10-25-2012, 11:28 AM
man, if we draft a QB and he sucks, we might become a losing team.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 11:28 AM
So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping of reality.

What the fuck do my perceptions have to do with anything?

I was merely repeating what he said, troll.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:33 AM
So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping dose of reality.

The whole Superbowl QB argument is a pile of crap anyway. Not to be like Jim Mora but, who the **** is talking Superbowl right now? We just need a guy who can win a playoff game. You want to do something smart?

Run the numbers on playoff winners. Find out what they have in common. Don't even look at the Superbowl BS. You are shooting for the moon.

So let's draft an OT!/dumbass True Fan

Dayze
10-25-2012, 11:36 AM
So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping dose of reality.

The whole Superbowl QB argument is a pile of crap anyway. Not to be like Jim Mora but, who the **** is talking Superbowl right now? We just need a guy who can win a playoff game. You want to do something smart?

Run the numbers on playoff winners. Find out what they have in common. Don't even look at the Superbowl BS. You are shooting for the moon.

what do you mean here? I'm not being inflamatory, just making sure I'm reading it right etc.

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 11:36 AM
Or defeatist.

Sometimes I get the impression he's headed for the latter...can you blame him? Some of us here have succumbed to it.

nah, it's just boring cynicism...

we've done it the wrong way for decades, with basically shit to show for it

and now that it looks like we might try it the right way, all he can do is focus on the possibility of failure? instead of being happy about finally having a real chance?

you're just a miserable bastard if that is how you feel...chiefs fans should be feeling an increased joy and excitement with every loss this year...

it is finally going to happen...what we've been waiting decades for

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:38 AM
nah, it's just boring cynicism...

we've done it the wrong way for decades, with basically shit to show for it

and now that it looks like we might try it the right way, all he can do is focus on the possibility of failure? instead of being happy about finally having a real chance?

you're just a miserable bastard if that is how you feel...chiefs fans should be feeling an increased joy and excitement with every loss this year...

it is finally going to happen...what we've been waiting decades for

Fuck yeah.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 11:39 AM
nah, it's just boring cynicism...

we've done it the wrong way for decades, with basically shit to show for it

and now that it looks like we might try it the right way, all he can do is focus on the possibility of failure? instead of being happy about finally having a real chance?

you're just a miserable bastard if that is how you feel...chiefs fans should be feeling an increased joy and excitement with every loss this year...

it is finally going to happen...what we've been waiting decades for

I don't know.

If there's one thing this franchise has taught me, it's that I shouldn't get my hopes up.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:39 AM
I don't know.

If there's one thing this franchise has taught me, it's that I shouldn't get my hopes up.

I'm faithing in God and Walter Football right now...

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-25-2012, 11:40 AM
Those that still don't want to grab a R 1 QB deserve to watch guys like Cassel. Stone aged football.

Rausch
10-25-2012, 11:41 AM
I'm faithing in God and Walter Football right now...

Well, things should be looking up for you then.

Right up!

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:42 AM
Those that still don't want to grab a R 1 QB deserve to watch guys like Cassel. Dog-fart turdwhacking.

FXD!

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 11:45 AM
So let's draft an OT!/dumbass True Fan

Here it is in a nutshell dude...

Everyone wants to draft a QB in the first round in 2013.

There are some people who think it is a shitty QB class.

The same people want to draft a QB anyway because we are desperate.

Most of the same people probably want to keep drafting one until we find a franchise QB.

Some people (possibly you?) get offended by people who believe this is a weak QB class. Please try to be a little more open minded.

There is a 70% chance that a first round QB will bust. The way I figured it was over a ten year period. To be a first round QB that is not a bust, you must make at least one pro bowl. Why pro bowls? Because if a guy makes a pro bowl, he had at least one season where he was a top 10 QB in the league. Also, I have strict criteria on what makes a franchise QB. You don't know if you have one for at least three years. If you realistically look at first round franchise QBs, the bust factor goes way up.

This sytem is fair and it works on so many levels. Guys, we have a 30% chance of nailing this pick.

bricks
10-25-2012, 11:46 AM
I don't know.

If there's one thing this franchise has taught me, it's that I shouldn't get my hopes up.

You must've experienced a lot of doggity, dark seasons from the Chiefs to be saying this.

At least your approach has been shaped for the better. Its better to have your type of approach than to create high hopes and have them crushed.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:48 AM
Here it is in a nutshell dude...

Everyone wants to draft a QB in the first round in 2013.

There are some people who think it is a shitty QB class.

The same people want to draft a QB anyway because we are desperate.

Most of the same people probably want to keep drafting one until we find a franchise QB.

Some people (possibly you?) get offended by people who believe this is a weak QB class. Please try to be a little more open minded.

There is a 70% chance that a first round QB will bust. The way I figured it was over a ten year period. To be a first round QB that is not a bust, you must make at least one pro bowl. Why pro bowls? Because if a guy makes a pro bowl, he had at least one season where he was a top 10 QB in the league. Also, I have strict criteria on what makes a franchise QB. You don't know if you have one for at least three years. If you realistically look at first round franchise QBs, the bust factor goes way up.

This sytem is fair and it works on so many levels. Guys, we have a 30% chance of nailing this pick.

No. To your whole argument, NO.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-25-2012, 11:48 AM
FXD!

Heh. Heh. You should have seen my real life reaction to the Cassel trade. Alot of whining and cussing going on. I've been waiting for the day of his benching for a loooooong time.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 11:48 AM
You have to make a Pro Bowl??????

FUCK THE PRO BOWL, YOU MORAN.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-25-2012, 11:49 AM
It's the same bullshit every year. "So and so isn't as good as *insert guy from last year*. Too risky!!!! Better class next year, so why don't we wait?"

Rausch
10-25-2012, 11:50 AM
Its better to have your type of approach than to create high hopes and have them crushed.

Loss and failure happens.

It's a part of life.

This franchise had been what it's been because they were afraid of failure.

Just repeat one process over and over and over because it's been ok in the past.

Not good, not successful, just not total failure.

Well, now it's total failure...

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-25-2012, 11:51 AM
....and Black Boob attempts to ruin yet another thread.

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 11:51 AM
Here it is in a nutshell dude...

Everyone wants to draft a QB in the first round in 2013.

There are some people who think it is a shitty QB class.

The same people want to draft a QB anyway because we are desperate.

Most of the same people probably want to keep drafting one until we find a franchise QB.

Some people (possibly you?) get offended by people who believe this is a weak QB class. Please try to be a little more open minded.

There is a 70% chance that a first round QB will bust. The way I figured it was over a ten year period. To be a first round QB that is not a bust, you must make at least one pro bowl. Why pro bowls? Because if a guy makes a pro bowl, he had at least one season where he was a top 10 QB in the league. Also, I have strict criteria on what makes a franchise QB. You don't know if you have one for at least three years. If you realistically look at first round franchise QBs, the bust factor goes way up.

This sytem is fair and it works on so many levels. Guys, we have a 30% chance of nailing this pick.

would you shut the fuck up and kill yourself you god damn retard

you are so fucking stupid it makes the universe fall down a flight of stairs

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 11:51 AM
what do you mean here? I'm not being inflamatory, just making sure I'm reading it right etc.

I'm saying there are alot of guys that were capable of winning the Superbowl who never did for any number of reasons. Guys that won a few playoff games. I'm saying that if someone takes the time to do this, it will be a much broader pool of players to look at. Thus making it more representative in finding a capable QB. Maybe it doesn't even have to be a about playoff winners? Maybe it's about franchise QBs. Plenty of franchise QBs didn't win the Superbowl.

My point is that I am tired of hearing the whole Superbowl / first round QB argument. It's just too narrow imo. We need to be looking at alot more things. We gotta get this pick right and we only have a 30% chance.

Rausch
10-25-2012, 11:55 AM
My point is that I am tired of hearing the whole Superbowl...first round QB argument.

Then just Shut you're mouth and kindly fuck off...

You have absolutely nothing to contribute...

ChiefMojo
10-25-2012, 11:58 AM
Carl did a lot of things but one thing we do know for sure is the fact he mastered the art of just being good enough. Enough to keep the stadium full, rocking and keeping fans hopes alive we were just a few players away. What sandwiched this time period was the 80's and most of the 00/10's.... Cluster f**k organization with nothing but gloom and lack of hope!

We were nothing to only be teased and then discarded back to the pits of hell!

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 11:58 AM
You have to make a Pro Bowl??????

**** THE PRO BOWL, YOU MORAN.

Let's talk about why it works...

First, it's about making one pro bowl. When a guy makes his first pro bowl, it's not because it was a popularity contest. Especially for QBs. It's because they deserved it.

Why did I say it means they were top ten in the league for that season? Because six QBs go to the pro bowl every year. A couple always don't show up. This system allows for four of six to bow out. There are always 2-4 who back out. Last year, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton went in place of Eli Manning and Tom Brady.

Every single first round QB should make at least one pro bowl imo. It is a passing league. If they can't make one, they are a first round bust.

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 12:00 PM
....and Black Boob attempts to ruin yet another thread.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I was trying to bring some reality to the argument. I'll bow out of this one.

Rausch
10-25-2012, 12:01 PM
you are so ****ing stupid it makes the universe fall down a flight of stairs

LMAO

DeezNutz
10-25-2012, 12:04 PM
Many would have flipped out had we selected either Flacco or Ryan in the first in '08, and these people would have been wrong as shit.

Identify the QB, and take him. Please, by all things good, let Pioli be fired first.

Pestilence
10-25-2012, 12:04 PM
Let's talk about why it works...

First, it's about making one pro bowl. When a guy makes his first pro bowl, it's not because it was a popularity contest. Especially for QBs. It's because they deserved it.

Why did I say it means they were top ten in the league for that season? Because six QBs go to the pro bowl every year. A couple always don't show up. This system allows for four of six to bow out. There are always 2-4 who back out. Last year, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton went in place of Eli Manning and Tom Brady.

Every single first round QB should make at least one pro bowl imo. It is a passing league. If they can't make one, they are a first round bust.

Matt Cassel made the Pro Bowl.....therefore.....your argument is invalid.

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 12:06 PM
Matt Cassel made the Pro Bowl.....therefore.....your argument is invalid.

No dude, he wasn't a first round QB. This is about figuring the first round QB bust factor.

I guess I am being too deep? I give up.

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 12:09 PM
Some people (possibly you?) get offended by people who believe this is a weak QB class. Please try to be a little more open minded.

You're completely, unequivocally wrong.

DeezNutz
10-25-2012, 12:13 PM
The '13 class is already good. It has the potential, though, to be incredibly deep and talented.

Rausch
10-25-2012, 12:14 PM
No dude, he wasn't a first round QB. This is about figuring the first round QB bust factor.

I guess I am being too deep? I give up.

Yup.

That's the problem...

Pestilence
10-25-2012, 12:14 PM
No dude, he wasn't a first round QB. This is about figuring the first round QB bust factor.

I guess I am being too deep? I give up.

So EVERY 1st round QB who doesn't make the pro bowl....is a bust?

O.city
10-25-2012, 12:19 PM
So you have a 30% chance of getting the right QB in the first round, where as finding the right QB in rounds 2-7 COMBINED isn't that good?


The reason everyone wants a first round QB isnt because of some magic automatically great thing. It's because thats generally where the best overall QB's are drafted in each draft and gives you the best chance to get a frachise QB. If you want to play if all about averages and chances, its been shown that the 1st round is the best place to shop.

Zeke
10-25-2012, 12:19 PM
There are some people who think it is a shitty QB class.


there are 3 elite level QB prospects in this class. How is that shitty? That fits right into what we're looking for.

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 12:27 PM
So you have a 30% chance of getting the right QB in the first round, where as finding the right QB in rounds 2-7 COMBINED isn't that good?


The reason everyone wants a first round QB isnt because of some magic automatically great thing. It's because thats generally where the best overall QB's are drafted in each draft and gives you the best chance to get a frachise QB. If you want to play if all about averages and chances, its been shown that the 1st round is the best place to shop.

It's common sense to figure that the first round is the best place to draft any position. What I am talking about is finding the right guy and the odds of doing so.

Chiefnj2
10-25-2012, 12:36 PM
The moderators who allowed BlackBob back on CP should all publicly apologize to the board and impose a 1 year ban on themselves.

HemiEd
10-25-2012, 12:43 PM
Let's talk about why it works...

First, it's about making one pro bowl. When a guy makes his first pro bowl, it's not because it was a popularity contest. Especially for QBs. It's because they deserved it.

Why did I say it means they were top ten in the league for that season? Because six QBs go to the pro bowl every year. A couple always don't show up. This system allows for four of six to bow out. There are always 2-4 who back out. Last year, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton went in place of Eli Manning and Tom Brady.

Every single first round QB should make at least one pro bowl imo. It is a passing league. If they can't make one, they are a first round bust.
So you think Cassel deserved to go to the Pro Bowl for the 2010 season? You think he was a franchise QB? Fuck the Pro Bowl, we just need a QB with the talent for the game, tough, pocket presence, good arm, intelligent that doesn't panic under pressure.

O.city
10-25-2012, 12:58 PM
It's common sense to figure that the first round is the best place to draft any position. What I am talking about is finding the right guy and the odds of doing so.

So why are we talking about this? The first round is the best place to draft a qb, as that's where the best most qualified qbs are drafted.


You have a better chance of finding the guy there that any other round combined.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 01:15 PM
would you shut the fuck up and kill yourself you god damn retard

you are so fucking stupid it makes the universe fall down a flight of stairs

ROFL Rep.

Let's talk about why it works...

First, it's about making one pro bowl. When a guy makes his first pro bowl, it's not because it was a popularity contest. Especially for QBs. It's because they deserved it.

.

FAILFAILFAILFAILFAILyou fucking asshat die in fire!

Mugalug
10-25-2012, 01:31 PM
The moderators who allowed BlackBob back on CP should all publicly apologize to the board and impose a 1 year ban on themselves.



Harsh, but fair. :evil:

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 01:39 PM
The moderators who allowed BlackBob back on CP should all publicly apologize to the board and impose a 1 year ban on themselves.

and drink aids

Chris Meck
10-25-2012, 01:54 PM
Great! So, according to Petro, if we draft a QB in round 1 in 2013, we have a 30% chance of striking gold. If we do it again in 2014, we're up to 60%! That means more likely than not! If we have to do it again in 2015, we're at like 90%, so that's pretty certain! Way better than 40 years of not trying.

Just do it. You can't tell me that we're better off with Dorsey, Jackson, or even Berry really than a top notch QB. If you don't have one, do whatever it takes to get one.

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 01:57 PM
We have a 100 percent chance of sucking fucking ass if we go into next season with Cassel, Quinn or some other retread.

PERIOD.

stevenidol
10-25-2012, 02:03 PM
Actually, I didn't jump to any conclusions. I posted the OP before he FINISHED.

ROFL

Ebolapox
10-25-2012, 02:07 PM
Let's talk about why it works...

First, it's about making one pro bowl. When a guy makes his first pro bowl, it's not because it was a popularity contest. Especially for QBs. It's because they deserved it.

Why did I say it means they were top ten in the league for that season? Because six QBs go to the pro bowl every year. A couple always don't show up. This system allows for four of six to bow out. There are always 2-4 who back out. Last year, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton went in place of Eli Manning and Tom Brady.

Every single first round QB should make at least one pro bowl imo. It is a passing league. If they can't make one, they are a first round bust.

steve bono. matt cassel. elvis grbac. all three kc chiefs QBs, all three giant pieces of shit.

vailpass
10-25-2012, 02:21 PM
That awesome defense was predicated on Smith and Thomas. We wouldn't have gotten either of those guys if we had Marino.

Thanks for drafting Smith and breaking him in for us.

Woodchuck
10-25-2012, 02:39 PM
steve bono. matt cassel. elvis grbac. all three kc chiefs QBs, all three giant pieces of shit.

Yep, and none of them were first round quarterbacks which is exactly what I am talking about.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 03:07 PM
Thanks for drafting Smith and breaking him in for us.

Thank Carl, asshole.:p

htismaqe
10-25-2012, 05:00 PM
ROFL

LMAO

You must be another Black Bob mult.

Obviously, I didn't speculate AT ALL as to the meaning of what he was saying. So I wasn't DRAWING A CONCLUSION AT ALL, let alone "jumping" to one.

It's called play-by-play.