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Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 01:19 PM
Fucking axe smiteth thee, Pioli.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8550269/flaws-chiefs-gm-scott-pioli-exposed

Scott Pioli is yet another flop to come out of the Patriots' organization

If you need any more evidence that Bill Belichick is the smartest football man of his generation, just take a quick gander at the disaster that is the Kansas City Chiefs.

Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli earned his stripes as Belichick's vice president of player personnel during the New England Patriots' run to three Super Bowl wins between 2001 and 2004. He was hailed as a savior in Kansas City, the man who would bring The Patriots Way to a floundering franchise. Aside from one overrated AFC West championship in 2010, all Pioli has done is remind everybody why he was lucky to be connected to Belichick in the first place.

Pioli has become such a laughingstock in Kansas City that the biggest story in town is whether Chiefs owner Clark Hunt actually has extended his general manager's contract. There have been reports of such a deal. There have been denials by the franchise. The bottom line is that it's an issue because the Chiefs no longer can sell Pioli to their fan base. The very possibility that he might still run the organization after this year might empty a lot of seats at Arrowhead Stadium.

It shouldn't be surprising that Pioli -- who is largely responsible for a team that is 1-5 and nose-diving toward its third losing season since his arrival in 2009 -- has been such a disappointment in Kansas City. We all know the history of the men who leave Belichick's nest and try to fly by themselves. Only a select few are talented enough to thrive without his presence. Most tend to end up looking just as fraudulent as Pioli now appears.

The list has grown long and familiar by now. Charlie Weis flopped at Notre Dame and now presides over a woeful Kansas team that claims to be playing something resembling football. Romeo Crennel bombed in Cleveland and will have a hard time holding onto his current job as Chiefs head coach after this season. There's also Eric Mangini, formerly of the New York Jets and Cleveland Browns, and current Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who lasted two years as Denver's head coach before nearly ruining Sam Bradford as the St. Louis Rams offensive coordinator last year. Both were rising stars who flamed out without Belichick standing behind them.

If not for Atlanta general manager Thomas Dimitroff -- the Patriots' former director of college scouting and a man who has astutely assembled the league's best team so far this season -- there wouldn't be any major success stories coming out of those New England glory years. This is also why Pioli's troubles have become so glaring. He was supposed to be the prize of that organization. If a team couldn't have a head coach like Belichick or a quarterback like future Hall-of-Famer Tom Brady, it could at least have Pioli.

Now we all can see how silly that notion was. The first three major decisions Pioli made with the Chiefs went as follows: (1) He hired Todd Haley as head coach. (2) He traded for quarterback Matt Cassel. (3) He used the third overall selection in the 2009 draft on defensive end Tyson Jackson. The team ultimately fired Haley last December after an ugly, heavily publicized rift developed between him and Pioli. Cassel was just benched this week after producing 14 turnovers in his first five starts. Jackson remains on the roster, which is the only noteworthy thing that can be said about his NFL career thus far.

Pioli's reign looks even worse when considering other variables beyond those three substantial whiffs. His draft record is spotty: only safety Eric Berry and outside linebacker Justin Houston have matured into difference-makers. When he's spent money in free agency, his moves have been largely uninspired or unproductive. If not for several holdovers from the Carl Peterson/Herm Edwards regime -- including running back Jamaal Charles, wide receiver Dwayne Bowe and linebackers Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali -- there would be no stars in Kansas City.

About the only thing Pioli did bring from New England was the same controlling nature that people familiar with the Patriots know very well. Multiple team sources say he's turned off longtime employees with a bullying management style. Published reports accuse him of lecturing staffers for not picking up candy bar wrappers in the hallways and chafing at the way assistant coaches park in the team's lot. During his first season with the team, Pioli sent emails warning employees to keep their window blinds drawn when the team was practicing, according to another team source. Those who didn't comply could expect somebody -- presumably a security guard -- to help them follow the rules.

It's hard to believe all those measures haven't helped the Chiefs become a competitive football team. Sure, they got that title back in 2010, but this much we all know: A last-place schedule can do wonders for a dysfunctional franchise. It says more that the Chiefs followed that success with the soap opera that was the Haley-Pioli feud and that this team is 8-14 since that supposed breakout year. Pioli's supporters can cling to that title all they like. It doesn't diminish everything else that has happened during his time in Kansas City.

He owes even more than we ever imagined to Belichick. Pioli was involved with one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history. He had a chance to learn how a Hall of Fame coach operates and what a Pro Bowl quarterback can do to make up for weaknesses within a franchise. Pioli may have done some things to help the cause back then. But there's no reason to believe he'd be sitting where he is today if he'd made his bones in Buffalo or Tampa Bay.

At the end of the day, Pioli happened to be in the right place at the right time, and he ultimately cashed in on perception. That's not an unfamiliar story to anybody who knows how the world works. But every man eventually is judged on his own merits. From this vantage point, Pioli falls right in line with all the other failures who benefited from Bill Belichick's greatness.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1025/nfl_a_cassel_d1_200.jpg

DeezNutz
10-25-2012, 01:21 PM
RAC in his presser today mentioned that the sign in the Chiefs locker room has changed. It now reads, "Play good football."

That's where we're at. "Play good football."

LMAO. Whoever voted for Pioli's fraudulent ass to be "Executive of the Year" should be punted in the balls.

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 01:24 PM
This is ultimate fucking payback for the Chiefs smearing Jeff Chadiha's name during training camp, saying he didn't know shit about Jon Baldwin because he wasn't at training camp, blablablablabla....

http://i.imgur.com/IVdLX.gif

Chiefspants
10-25-2012, 01:26 PM
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

http://www.imgbox.de/users/camuizuuki/Gifs/Will_Phone_Happy_Crying.jpg

tyler360
10-25-2012, 01:26 PM
Man I hope this keeps up. Clark will have no choice but to get rid of the "Don"

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 01:30 PM
Most tend to end up looking just as fraudulent as Pioli now appears.

I wrote this two years ago! LMAO

Mr. Arrowhead
10-25-2012, 01:30 PM
Bellichik wouldnt be shit either without Brady. The Patriot way should be renamed to "The Brady Way"

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-25-2012, 01:31 PM
We all know the history of the men who leave Belichick's nest and try to fly by themselves.


Not many at CP did...

Easy 6
10-25-2012, 01:32 PM
That's where we're at. "Play good football."

Could that be ANY less inspiring?

I'm not sure if i should use this LMAO or this :facepalm:

tyler360
10-25-2012, 01:34 PM
The amount of heat on Pioli reminds me of when Carl got fired. Specifically after the San Diego game when Joe Po. Wrote the article ready aim fire everyone

FAX
10-25-2012, 01:38 PM
Wow. I am impressed with Banner Power. Awesome stuff, that.

FAX

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 01:38 PM
The amount of heat on Pioli reminds me of when Carl got fired. Specifically after the San Diego game when Joe Po. Wrote the article ready aim fire everyone

Babb turned the heat up after Buffalo and it's only getting hotter.

10 more weeks of this heat will BURN PIOLI TO THE GROUND!!!!

Bump
10-25-2012, 01:38 PM
RAC in his presser today mentioned that the sign in the Chiefs locker room has changed. It now reads, "Play good football."

That's where we're at. "Play good football."

LMAO. Whoever voted for Pioli's fraudulent ass to be "Executive of the Year" should be punted in the balls.

that's motivation right there

theelusiveeightrop
10-25-2012, 01:39 PM
Play good football. And smile and wave at all your neighbors.

Marco Polo
10-25-2012, 01:41 PM
Amazing.

bowener
10-25-2012, 01:43 PM
Babb turned the heat up after Buffalo and it's only getting hotter.

10 more weeks of this heat will BURN PIOLI TO THE GROUND!!!!

Could you photoshop Pioli's face onto Big Tex as he burned to shit?

Might be taken the wrong way...

Easy 6
10-25-2012, 01:44 PM
I have some other ideas for their sign...

"Hold The Ball"

"Tackle The Ballcarrier"

"Brush Your Teeth Before Bed"

"Get Here On Time For The Game"

"When The Opponent Has The Ball, Play Defense"

DenverDanChiefsFan
10-25-2012, 01:46 PM
Chadilla must visit CP. I have read the exact same story here.

FAX
10-25-2012, 01:47 PM
I have some other ideas for their sign...

"Hold The Ball"

"Tackle The Ballcarrier"

"Brush Your Teeth Before Bed"

"Get Here On Time For The Game"

"When The Opponent Has The Ball, Play Defense"

ROFL

FAX

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 01:48 PM
Could you photoshop Pioli's face onto Big Tex as he burned to shit?

Might be taken the wrong way...

I prefer the original "Pioli burns" photoshop.

http://i.imgur.com/OShhE.jpg

siberian khatru
10-25-2012, 01:54 PM
http://oceansjsu.com/images/exped_circulation/Nuclear%20Blast.jpg

saphojunkie
10-25-2012, 01:55 PM
I have some other ideas for their sign...

"Hold The Ball"

"Tackle The Ballcarrier"

"Brush Your Teeth Before Bed"

"Get Here On Time For The Game"

"When The Opponent Has The Ball, Play Defense"

"It's not whether you win or lose...hey, what's for lunch?"

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 01:57 PM
BURN MOTHERFUCKER

FAX
10-25-2012, 01:58 PM
"It's not whether you win or lose...hey, what's for lunch?"

ROFL

Actually, Mr. saphojunkie, "What's For Lunch?" is probably the most appropriate locker room slogan yet.

God ... we are so screwed.

FAX

Chiefs Pantalones
10-25-2012, 02:08 PM
"Magic Johnson doesn't have AIDS. It's a process."

FAX
10-25-2012, 02:12 PM
I have a theory that, when Dr. Evil took this job, he never in his wildest dreams could have imagined that national pundits would be calling his ass out for tanking this franchise. I'll bet it was the furthest thing from his mind.

What we're witnessing, my friends, is Homeric. His previously masked incompetence combined with abuse of power is leading to a fall of great magnitude and, ultimately, potential madness. It's a deadly recipe and one hell of a story.

Pioli has fatal flaws. Not only did he make the mistake of believing his own press releases, he vastly underestimated this market and these fans.

"Who 'scapes the lurking serpent's mortal sting?
Not he that sets his foot upon her back.
The smallest worm will turn being trodden on,
And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood"

FAX

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 02:15 PM
"Who 'scapes the lurking serpent's mortal sting?
Not he that sets his foot upon her back.
The smallest worm will turn being trodden on,
And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood"


Put another way.

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ct
10-25-2012, 02:15 PM
I have some other ideas for their sign...

"Hold The Ball"

"Tackle The Ballcarrier"

"Brush Your Teeth Before Bed"

"Get Here On Time For The Game"

"When The Opponent Has The Ball, Play Defense"


"Go Team Win" (since we look like a small town high school team anyway

"Wear a Condom"

"Thank You Sir May I Have Another"

DeezNutz
10-25-2012, 02:19 PM
Later this season, as the losing continues, I'm expecting the sign to read, "Play football."

the Talking Can
10-25-2012, 02:20 PM
we should mail 1000's of copies of this article to pioli

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Later this season, as the losing continues, I'm expecting the sign to read, "Play football."

They're going to simplify their original slogan.

http://i.imgur.com/gN1eH.jpg

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Could that be ANY less inspiring?

I'm not sure if i should use this LMAO or this :facepalm:

Well I suppose it could say "just don't suck."

B_Ambuehl
10-25-2012, 02:29 PM
What I've been saying since the day he was hired:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=200220

Chiefshrink
10-25-2012, 02:30 PM
What we're witnessing, my friends, is Homeric. His previously masked incompetence combined with abuse of power is leading to a fall of great magnitude and, ultimately, potential madness. It's a deadly recipe and one hell of a story.

Pioli has fatal flaws. Not only did he make the mistake of believing his own press releases, he vastly underestimated this market and these fans.

Yes sir Mr.FAX ! Just like what is going to happen on Nov.6th. Barry would not have imagined this in a thousand years.

Sorry, I couldn't resist drawing the parallel between Scott and Barry:D

scho63
10-25-2012, 02:39 PM
There is blood in the water and the sharks are circling....Mr Pioli you better get out!!!

saphojunkie
10-25-2012, 02:43 PM
we should mail 1000's of copies of this article to pioli

everyone do 10!

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 02:47 PM
So let's see.

Fox Sports? Calling for Scott's head.

ESPN? Calling for Scott's head.

Kansas City Star? Calling for Scott's head.

Fan base? Calling for Scott's head?

Clark, you paying attention?

DenverDanChiefsFan
10-25-2012, 02:57 PM
So let's see.

Fox Sports? Calling for Scott's head.

ESPN? Calling for Scott's head.

Kansas City Star? Calling for Scott's head.

Fan base? Calling for Scott's head?

Clark, you paying attention?

Just sent this to the chunt email.

BoneKrusher
10-25-2012, 02:58 PM
Babb turned the heat up after Buffalo and it's only getting hotter.

10 more weeks of this heat will BURN PIOLI TO THE GROUND!!!!

Awesome.
Burn the mutha down.

Chiefspants
10-25-2012, 09:15 PM
What I've been saying since the day he was hired:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=200220

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/luminary/gifs/00073g4e.gif

but srsly congratz.

aturnis
10-25-2012, 09:20 PM
RAC in his presser today mentioned that the sign in the Chiefs locker room has changed. It now reads, "Play good football."

That's where we're at. "Play good football."

LMAO. Whoever voted for Pioli's fraudulent ass to be "Executive of the Year" should be punted in the balls.

The sign in Crennel's office reads "coach good".

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 09:35 PM
So let's see.

Fox Sports? Calling for Scott's head.

ESPN? Calling for Scott's head.

Kansas City Star? Calling for Scott's head.

Fan base? Calling for Scott's head?

Clark, you paying attention?

Too bad they and Jeff Chadiha were all 4 years too late

cabletech94
10-25-2012, 09:44 PM
So let's see.

Fox Sports? Calling for Scott's head.

ESPN? Calling for Scott's head.

Kansas City Star? Calling for Scott's head.

Fan base? Calling for Scott's head?

Clark, you paying attention?

this is great!
but it all depends on if clarkie is actually paying attention.

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 09:51 PM
Too bad they and Jeff Chadiha were all 4 years too late

Whitlock had this guy tabbed early in 2009 for a fraud.

Dave Lane
10-25-2012, 09:57 PM
this is great!
but it all depends on if clarkie is actually paying attention.

Is soccer season over?

cabletech94
10-25-2012, 10:10 PM
Is soccer season over?

what the hell is soccer? :clap:

The Bad Guy
10-25-2012, 10:20 PM
This guy has also been putting Pioli on blast since right after the playoff loss to Baltimore.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 10:21 PM
Whitlock had this guy tabbed early in 2009 for a fraud.

Whitlock and Whitlock alone

notorious
10-25-2012, 10:21 PM
The mass media likes to pile on when it's a sure thing.


This is going to end soon.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 10:23 PM
The mass media likes to pile on when it's a sure thing.


This is going to end soon.

I have my doubts but I hope you're right.

Every time I think the Hunt family will do the "right" thing, I usually have to wait a few years.

BossChief
10-25-2012, 10:30 PM
I have my doubts but I hope you're right.

Every time I think the Hunt family will do the "right" thing, I usually have to wait a few years.

I hear ya, man.
Our only saving grace is that Clark took over in 2007 and a year later, he stripped Carl Peterson of his decision making powers and handed the draft to Bill and Herm.

Hopefully, he is just giving this season time to turn things around and by looking at the next 3 games that doesn't appear to be happening any time soon. From here out, the fail will be in the national spotlight.

Its gonna be hard for Clark to not fire Pioli after the Pittsburgh game. I truly believe that and have called the following Tuesday as the date of his dismissal.

notorious
10-25-2012, 10:39 PM
I have my doubts but I hope you're right.

Every time I think the Hunt family will do the "right" thing, I usually have to wait a few years.

I hope so, too. Look back at ESPN and JoPa, Steroids, etc. The floodgates opened once they found out attacking was acceptable and the cool thing to do.

The Chiefs are but a stale fart in the wind on the national level, though.

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 10:46 PM
Its gonna be hard for Clark to not fire Pioli after the Pittsburgh game. I truly believe that and have called the following Tuesday as the date of his dismissal.

Clark is giving Pioli one last, desperate chance to turn it around.

I agree with the timeline.

BigMeatballDave
10-25-2012, 10:48 PM
Its gonna be hard for Clark to not fire Pioli after the Pittsburgh game. I truly believe that and have called the following Tuesday as the date of his dismissal.

This would be epic, but I fully expect Scott to be around until the end of this season.

I'll be shocked, otherwise.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 10:49 PM
I hope so, too. Look back at ESPN and JoPa, Steroids, etc. The floodgates opened once they found out attacking was acceptable and the cool thing to do.

The Chiefs are but a stale fart in the wind on the national level, though.

I'm not sure if I buy that argument in 2012.

1977? 1980? 1984? Sure.

With a 24 hour news cycle, which includes not only the NFL Network, ESPN and local news, we now have CBS Sports Channel, NBC Sports channel and various regional Fox Sports channels, not to mention Social Media.

The heat is on, without a doubt. The question is, at least for me, does Clark feel it?

notorious
10-25-2012, 10:52 PM
The heat is on, without a doubt. The question is, at least for me, does Clark feel it?

You're right. We both know the answer to that question.


I think Pioli lasts until the evening after our final game this season.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 10:57 PM
You're right. We both know the answer to that question.


I think Pioli lasts until the evening after our final game this season.

I should re-phrase my question: Does Clark feel it so much that he's willing to eat millions and make a change?

I hope that you're right but something tells me that IF this team can pull out a few more wins (highly unlikely), he may be able to self-justify just one more year.

notorious
10-25-2012, 11:00 PM
Clark might be snakebit right now, too. He is probably thinking,"I just hired the can't miss GM of the century, and he failed. I don't know what I am doing."

In business, that is a scary place to be.

BossChief
10-25-2012, 11:00 PM
Clark has to understand that with multiple teams already releasing their GMs, the good replacements will start to dry up the longer he waits to pull the trigger.

That is a big part of the date of dismissal I predicted.

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:01 PM
I should re-phrase my question: Does Clark feel it so much that he's willing to eat millions and make a change?

I hope that you're right but something tells me that IF this team can pull out a few more wins (highly unlikely), he may be able to self-justify just one more year.

I think that's the way the cards are falling right now.

Pioli is hoping for a few mid-season wins so he can do the "We're seeing some positive results and how 'bout that Romeo?" dance. That, he hopes, will quiet the madding crowd and buy him more time. The fact is, it probably would.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:02 PM
Clark might be snakebit right now, too. He is probably thinking,"I just hired the can't miss GM of the century, and he failed. I don't know what I am doing."

In business, that is a scary place to be.

Well, not as scary as if he were in a business where $312 million dollars per year weren't contractually guaranteed to his franchise for the next ten years.

:D

Count Zarth
10-25-2012, 11:03 PM
Clark can either:

A) Eat a few million and start fresh on a worthwhile endeavor next season.

B) Sink $100+ million on player contracts in a pointless 2013 exercise that probably ends with Pioli's firing anyway.

BigMeatballDave
10-25-2012, 11:04 PM
Clark has to understand that with multiple teams already releasing their GMs, the good replacements will start to dry up the longer he waits to pull the trigger.

That is a big part of the date of dismissal I predicted.

Who else other than Carolina?

notorious
10-25-2012, 11:05 PM
Well, not as scary as if he were in a business where $312 million dollars per year were contractually guaranteed to his franchise for the next ten years.

:D


Fuck Dane, you are squashing all of my hypothesis with basic reasoning.

Easy pickings tonight. LMAO

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:07 PM
Who else other than Carolina?

There are more teams potentially on the horizon.

Jacksonville, Cleveland (already set in stone), Carolina, Philadelphia, Buffalo, NY Jets and Tennessee.

That's a fairly large group.

BigMeatballDave
10-25-2012, 11:09 PM
There are more teams potentially on the horizon.

Jacksonville, Cleveland (already set in stone), Carolina, Philadelphia, Buffalo, NY Jets and Tennessee.

That's a fairly large group.I see. I was thinking there were other GMs let go. In my defense, he did say 'already releasing' :)

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:10 PM
I see. I was thinking there were other GMs let go. In my defense, he did say 'already releasing' :)

It's all good. I wasn't busting your chops or anything, just passing on info.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:11 PM
Fuck Dane, you are squashing all of my hypothesis with basic reasoning.

Easy pickings tonight. LMAO

LMAO

Sorry, Dude!

BossChief
10-25-2012, 11:54 PM
There are more teams potentially on the horizon.

Jacksonville, Cleveland (already set in stone), Carolina, Philadelphia, Buffalo, NY Jets and Tennessee.

That's a fairly large group.

this.

Jacksonvilles new owner has already said he is making wholesale changes that have already begun. The writing is on the wall.

Cleveland has already informed Holmgren that he is out at years end.

Carolina has already made their move.

The other 4 are probably only a few losses away from making an in season move.

I bet one of these dumbass teams is hoping that Pioli will be available...hahaha @ whoever that is.

Count Zarth
10-26-2012, 12:45 AM
Pioli and Cassel reunite in Cleveland....to continue the work of Belichick.

AussieChiefsFan
10-26-2012, 12:46 AM
Pioli and Cassel reunite in Cleveland....to continue the work of Belichick.

LMAO

Count Zarth
10-26-2012, 01:01 AM
All the little dicks with the crimson lips say

OMAHA ROCKS

OMAHA ROCKS

NJChiefsFan
10-26-2012, 01:04 AM
The best will be when all these idiots in the media who have defended these guys the past 2 years when it was becoming alarming with Pioli and crystal clear with Cassel that things weren't working start bashing them. Right towards the end, hell when they are actually out, they will say "yeah it just wasn't working". Some of these clowns still defend both of them. Sirius Radio is the worst offender some times.

theelusiveeightrop
10-26-2012, 07:05 AM
Did I see Pioli slinging rock last night on Holmes Street?

O.city
10-26-2012, 07:27 AM
All the little dicks with the crimson lips say

OMAHA ROCKS

OMAHA ROCKS

Clay you need to follow Brian Sullivan on twitter. He's cassels buddy and a huge chiefs apologists. He's also really knocking the movement right now


Sick him clay

CoMoChief
10-26-2012, 07:52 AM
Play good football. And smile and wave at all your neighbors.

ROFL